Half a minute and more: preparing the first shot from the British Chieftain Mk.5P cannon

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Half a minute and more: preparing the first shot from the British Chieftain Mk.5P cannon

Of course, we can't speak for everyone. However, there's one interesting fact that cannot be denied. It's that among those even slightly interested in armored vehicles, there's a widespread myth that the rate of fire tank The gun's performance, taking into account the operation of the loading systems or the human loader, is almost the main parameter by which one can determine the speed of hitting a target.

It's said that if the automatic loader or the person working in its place can fire a mere 6-8 rounds per minute, then that's it: the tank crew has spotted a target, 10 seconds have passed, and it's already been slapped and is burning out in the sight's eyepieces. But reality isn't a computer game. A considerable amount of time can pass between the moment a target is detected and the first shot is fired, requiring preparation.



Of course, in modern tanks, this time has been greatly reduced thanks to automated range calculations, automatic firing corrections, and other electronic perks. But in older tanks, which lacked all the benefits of modern tank design, this process took a long time. A prime example is the Chieftain Mk.5P, which fell into the hands of Soviet researchers during the Iran-Iraq War.


"Chieftain" in the museum in Kubinka

It features plenty of British post-war tank design quirks: manual separate loading, requiring propellant charges to be loaded with igniter tubes, and range determination using a machine gun. It also lacks any equipment such as a ballistic computer, laser rangefinder, or external ballistic sensors. Therefore, the vehicle as a whole is a prime example of primitiveness.

The gunner's only sights are optics, consisting of a stabilized periscope primary sight (dependent stabilization, meaning the sight's field of view oscillates with the gun) and a non-stabilized telescopic auxiliary sight. The commander has a sight in the rotating part of the commander's cupola, as well as nine prismatic observation devices around the commander's cupola.

The commander's sight has no stabilization and lacks machine gun zeroing scales, so it can't fire at long ranges (his sight is essentially only useful as an emergency measure when the gunner's equipment is out of action), where target distance measurement is required. At night, the gunner's and commander's primary sights can be replaced with infrared sights with active illumination from an IR spotlight.

First shot


The report of Soviet testers eloquently explains how to work with such “goodness”.

Let's look at the main actions performed by the crew of the Chieftain Mk5P tank in each operation, and estimate the duration of individual operations taking into account the results of testing domestic tanks.

Setting a fire mission. The commander calls the required type of ammunition (type) over the intercom weapons), target reference points and type, firing method, and issues the execution command. The average operation duration is 4 seconds. When firing independently, the gunner or commander specifies the type of ammunition and firing method. The operation duration in this case can be 2 seconds.

Aiming the commander's sight (installed in the rotating part of the turret) at the target. The commander uses his left hand to move the reversing mechanism selector lever from the rearward ("locked") position to the center position, thereby engaging the turret traverse mechanism with the manual drive. With his right hand, he pulls down the manual drive handle and, by rotating it, aims the gun at the desired target through the single-power sight. With a turret traverse angle of up to 30°, the operation takes 3 seconds.

Target designation by turret movement. The commander moves the reversing device selector lever to the extreme forward position (“reverse rotation”) with his left hand, and squeezes the control panel switch with his right hand, holding the sight line on the target until the turret takes the agreed position and its longitudinal axis coincides with the vertical plane passing through the sight line.


Ballistic reticle of the sights. 1 - scale of sub-caliber projectiles, 2 - scale of armor-piercing high-explosive projectiles, 3 - scale of the 12.7-mm machine gun, 4 - scale of the twin 7.62-mm machine gun

After the turret has been rotated to the desired position, the selector lever returns to its rearmost position, and the cupola locks onto the turret. At this point, the projector is activated, and a ballistic reticle appears in the commander's right eyepiece. The sight is mechanically linked to the gun via a linkage, resulting in a dependent aiming line. With a turret traverse rate of 20° per second and a 30° misalignment angle, the traverse time is 2 seconds.

Loading the gun. After receiving a command about the type of projectile, the loader performs the following actions:

- sets the turret emergency switch, located on the roof of the turret to the left of the loader's hatch, to the "off" position, thereby disconnecting the electrical circuits for horizontal and vertical aiming and the firing circuit for the cannon and machine guns;

- opens the breech of the barrel (during the first loading);

- takes a projectile with a priming tube from the stowage on the turret bracket, inserts it into the guide of the priming tube feed mechanism receiver and cocks the rammer of this mechanism (after every ten shots from the gun);

- takes a projectile of the required type from the stowage, places it on the bolt feeder and sends it into the chamber;

- opens the lid of the charging container of the required type, removes the charge, closes the container, inserts the charge into the chamber, making sure that the conical part is directed towards the projectile, and the igniter is directed towards the breech, and sends it in;

- using a device, closes the breech of the barrel;

- switches the tower emergency switch to the “on” position;

- pulls the gun fence back, thereby turning on the firing chains;

— reports "Ready".

The duration of this operation in the Chieftain Mk5P tank can be 8 seconds when loading from a standstill and 13 seconds when loading on the move.


Setting the weapon type. Depending on the command received, the gunner switches the selector switch to the "cannon" or "twin machine gun" position. This operation takes 2 seconds.

Target detection by the gunner. After the turret stops, the gunner locates the commander's designated target in his sight. If the tank is stationary, the gunner uses the primary sight; if it's moving, he uses the secondary sight. The average duration of the operation in the first case is 4 seconds, in the second, 8 seconds.

Sighting in a target with a 12,7 mm machine gun. The gunner visually estimates the distance to the target and its movement parameters, and, depending on these values ​​and firing rules, selects the aiming index on the 12,7mm machine gun scale and the lateral lead. He presses the trigger pedal with his foot and fires several bursts of three shots each. The bullet trajectories are centered on the target using the aiming console. The average duration of the operation for two bursts is 5 seconds.

Targeting refinement. When firing the BPS, a retargeting operation is performed, switching from the 12,7mm machine gun scale to the BPS scale and taking into account the lateral lead. This operation takes 5 seconds. This operation is not performed when firing the BFS.

Shot. After the red "Ready" signal light to the right of the gun lights, the gunner (commander) presses the trigger on the gun's aiming console handle or on the gun's manual aiming mechanism. Taking into account the delay in the electric drives and the projectile's movement through the barrel, the operation takes 1 second.

Conclusions


These are, of course, average figures. Ultimately, skill plays a huge role, as do chance occurrences, such as when the gun was already loaded with the appropriate type of projectile and the target, for example, appeared directly in the gunner's sight, and even within point-blank range, without lengthy range-finding procedures. But the conclusion that can be drawn from the Soviet researchers' assessment is not entirely encouraging.

If we take into account all the procedures for preparing the first shot, then on average the following picture emerges.

If the target is detected by the gunner and is the sole firer, then if the tank commander has detected the target but the gunner is firing at it, then when firing from a standing start, the Chieftain's high-explosive armor-piercing shell will reach the enemy in 15-21 seconds, while the sub-caliber armor-piercing shell will reach the enemy in 20-26 seconds. This applies from a standing start. However, when the tank, while moving across the battlefield, stops briefly to fire, the time increases to 20-30 seconds for high-explosive armor-piercing shells and 25-35 seconds for sub-caliber shells.

If the commander fires at a target using his own sights, without the ability to zero the machine gun or stabilize it, the initial shot preparation time for both high-explosive and sub-caliber projectiles from a stationary position averages 14 seconds, and from a short stop while moving, 19 seconds. However, at short ranges, if the gunner's sights (or the gunner himself) are disabled, the initial shot preparation time is limited.

All this contrasts strikingly with the time it takes to fire the second and subsequent shots, since the type of target and the projectile suitable for engaging it are already known. They are fired at intervals of 10 seconds from a stationary position and 15 seconds from short stops while moving. So the technical rate of fire of a tank's gun, especially an older one, doesn't always correspond to the target engagement speed.

The source of information:
"Weapons Complex." I.K. Ivanov, V.V. Koshelev, B.P. Lavrishchev. Scientific and technical collection "Problems of Defense Technology." Series VI, Issue No. 5 (111). 1983. Declassified by the expert commission of the Federal State Autonomous Educational Institution of Higher Education "SPbPU" on November 23, 2016.
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  1. +1
    29 October 2025 04: 31
    The Bantam ATGM deployment time is only 30 seconds. The Soviet 9M14 ATGM requires 100 seconds to deploy...
    The Englishman manages to fire two shots at our ATGM. what
    Not good.
    1. IVZ
      +8
      29 October 2025 05: 59
      The Englishman manages to fire two shots at our ATGM.
      Not good.
      So, the Chieftain is driving along, and an ATGM crew is coming towards them. They spot each other, at the same time, and start preparing to fire. One of them zeros in on the machine gun, the others deploy their ATGMs... Yeah, that's a sad story.
      1. +1
        29 October 2025 06: 48
        and let's get ready to shoot

        They'll still have time to drink some tea. laughing
    2. 0
      29 October 2025 07: 06
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Bantam ATGM deployment time is only 30 seconds. The Soviet 9M14 ATGM requires 100 seconds to deploy...

      No, it's the time it takes to bring the missile into combat readiness. This is achieved by using a transport launcher, which in turn is due to the missile's significantly lighter weight and, consequently, inferior performance compared to the Malyutka.
      Bringing the control panel into combat position is not included in this time.
    3. KCA
      +5
      29 October 2025 08: 07
      You'll remember how long it took to prepare for firing muzzle-loading guns of the 15th century.
  2. +9
    29 October 2025 06: 46
    Well, for the sake of completeness, I'd like to tell you the time it took the others to fire their first shot. Who's there, by year, T55, 62? Leo1?
    1. +6
      29 October 2025 07: 48
      I agree. The testers' report doesn't assess whether the times are good or bad. The author of the article makes some rather caustic conclusions about the Chieftain's archaism. But everything is learned by comparison, including with similar tanks of our own. request
    2. +3
      29 October 2025 13: 50
      Quote: Gagrid
      Well, for the sake of completeness, I'd like to tell you the time it took the others to fire their first shot. Who's there, by year, T55, 62? Leo1?
      The T-54/55 tank was produced since 1945. The T-54's primary armament was the 100mm D-10T gun. The gun's barrel length was 56 calibers. It fired a single round, meaning the projectile, propellant charge, and primer were all one unit. Therefore, the gun was loaded much faster (I couldn't find exact data, but based on the simpler loading process) than the Chieftain's. This involved cocking the bolt (before the first shot; after firing, the bolt cocked automatically), removing a round (a single round) from the ammunition rack, and inserting it into the gun's breech in one motion. The bolt's wedge would close automatically, after which the gun was ready to fire.
      In the T-62 tank, everything happens in a similar way.
      PS
      I'm not a loader (although I had to load a T-62 gun), so I might have made some mistakes in the terminology, but I think I conveyed the meaning of the process accurately.
      1. +2
        29 October 2025 21: 50
        In addition to loading the gun, you need to aim it at the target, and judging by what is described in the article, this process can take longer than the actual loading of the gun.
        A comparison with at least the T62 would be useful, to get an idea of ​​where things were going better.
        1. +4
          29 October 2025 22: 09
          Quote: Eroma
          In addition to loading the gun, you need to aim it at the target, and judging by what is described in the article, this process can take longer than the actual loading of the gun.
          I've written about what I know, but I'm unfamiliar with the rest. My military specialty is a medium tank driver-mechanic (two years of experience: six months in training, then 1,5 years in the Guards Tank Division). I drove (and serviced) the T-55-62, as well as engineering vehicles based on them, around the firing range and during exercises. I've never been a commander, but I've had some practice as a gunner (using a "cheburashka"—a weapon with a pencil tied to the end of it, held in front of the gun—drawing an envelope), and some minor things (zeroing in a machine gun). I once acted as loader while zeroing in the standard round on my tank.
          1. +3
            29 October 2025 22: 20
            Quote: Bad_gr
            At the training ground and during exercises, he drove (and serviced) the T-55-62,

            Judging by their equipment, they had been serving for a long time, but they delivered a report on their skills as if they had just returned from the training ground! good laughing
            1. +3
              29 October 2025 23: 35
              Quote: Eroma
              Quote: Bad_gr
              At the training ground and during exercises, he drove (and serviced) the T-55-62,

              Judging by their equipment, they had been serving for a long time, but they delivered a report on their skills as if they had just returned from the training ground! good laughing

              I never forget the vivid memories. I served from 1976 to 78. In the 90s, an engineering vehicle based on a T-55 tank was brought to the company where I worked. I sat at the controls, started it, unloaded it from the trailer, and drove it to the designated parking spot. It felt like I'd been behind the controls of a tank just yesterday (my hands just fell into place, no need to look for which lever).
  3. Des
    +3
    29 October 2025 08: 08
    Here we go again). An interesting article, yes, rare, yes, even an author. But having shared the information found, it would have been quite possible to learn a bit more and then go on to share (maybe not about all tanks, but at least as examples) the characteristics of similar tanks, and even—oh!—to draw your own conclusions. That would have been extraordinary (in most VO articles).
    On topic. More than 2 of them were sold, including to warring regions. So, there must be a comparison!
    1. 0
      29 October 2025 11: 08
      The actual rate of fire of the T-54 is 7-10 rounds per minute.
  4. +1
    29 October 2025 08: 17
    The 120mm BPS has a point-blank range of over 1.5 km! When firing at reasonable distances, machine gun adjustments are not necessary. The armor-piercing high-explosive round has a low velocity, less than 700 m/s, so adjustments are required for firing at longer distances.
  5. 0
    30 October 2025 10: 01
    As I understand it, tankers should have standards, right? During training exercises. From the tank commander's report of "I see the target" to the first shot. (Or maybe tankers don't have that "I see the target" kind of thing.)
  6. 0
    27 November 2025 18: 17
    On the T-62, the first shot (time) depended on the gunner. After the command: landmark 1, right 30, tank, subcaliber, fire. It took him a while to remember where landmark 1 is, to find it in the sighting field, and to aim it. About 30-40 seconds. The gun is already loaded, since the loader is also sitting at the TPU and hears commands. The second shot is 6-7 seconds later. The third is the same. However, the commander, having spotted the target, can aim the gun "at the target area" himself, which significantly reduces the firing time. The T-62, how long ago that was. It was a good tank.
    1. 0
      16 January 2026 10: 42
      Quote: Doliva63
      T-62, how long ago that was. It was a good tank.

      There!
      There was a modification in 2022.
      1. 0
        16 January 2026 10: 50
        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
        Quote: Doliva63
        T-62, how long ago that was. It was a good tank.

        There!
        There was a modification in 2022.

        The T-62 doesn't need a thermal imaging sight; it needs a good panoramic view for shooting from a closed position, and a thermal imager is sufficient for a spotter UAV...and the barrel could be shortened for a more elevated trajectory.
        1. 0
          16 January 2026 14: 25
          Quote: Konnick
          he needs a good view for shooting from a closed position

          There, they seemed to have given him some sort of mast with a camera, so you can literally look over an obstacle and shoot (if ballistics allow it, a 152mm howitzer might actually be more interesting, but it wouldn't be a T-62 anymore).
  7. 0
    16 January 2026 14: 29
    And in the WarThunder "simulator" (the one where there's not even a ram, and the barrel goes through obstacles) everyone drives around already loaded.