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Dances with a tambourine around Iran, or Arab-Israeli circus on horseback

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"The Iranian problem can be resolved through diplomacy." This mantra, which the administration of the USA has been repeating for the fifth year already, to its impatient allies: Israel and the Arabian monarchies. As time goes on, Iran is getting closer and closer to the bomb. And now grumbling gives way to panic in the camp of the "allies." The president, the secretary of defense, the state secretary in unison are talking about a strategic alliance, but the allies see that the states are packing their bags and are clearly preparing to move from the Middle East to the Far. And they absolutely do not want to darken their hasty relocation with a serious war. And finally, the puzzle is formed. Chayk Hagel stated: “Supplies weapons to the Middle East is a clear signal to Iran. ” But in fact, this is more than a clear signal to the allies, quoting the words of Anatoly Borisovich Chubais's address to the younger generation: “Wonderful, wonderful, do it. Bring to the end. Not by language, but by deed ... ”In short, the signal is nowhere more clearly. Your gentlemen’s arsenals are full of the most sophisticated American weapons, so do it yourself. And we will drive you a bomb at a reasonable price. And surprisingly, all this история with dancing around Iran, it looks like it can really be crowned with unprecedented diplomatic success. But not in relations between the West and Iran, but in relations between Arabs and Jews. However, consider all the main actors in order.


In the front row of Iran’s most violent haters and stakeholders are the Arabian monarchies. First of all, because Iran is closer to them. 2000 km from Israel’s Iran’s borders, and the superiority of Israel’s nuclear arsenal and their means of delivery over Iran’s possible arsenal seems so significant that the Ayatollahs are unlikely to move from words to deeds. The Arabian monarchies are close, and for decades the oppressed Shiite minority may be the shock fifth column of Iran, and from this angle, the stability of the Arabian regimes in the event of a clash with Iran is a big question. Recently, the UAE ordered weapons of more than $ 23 billion, including upgrading its fleet, missile defense systems and smart bombs, and US-made missiles. The list of ordered weapons is so long that we will not list it in this article. Saudi Arabia is also arming at a slower pace, despite the fact that calling Saudi arsenals modest and so the language does not turn. Eliminated from consideration Kuwait, Qatar and other trifles that do not have a full-fledged air force, we consider the UAE and CA air forces. I’ll say right away that I’m not going to count Tanks and artillery barrels, because in the war they want to impose on Iran, everything will be decided aviation. A fleet of SA and UAE for two is quite substantial.





Saudi Arabia. 70 F-15E Strike Eagle + 60 F-15 Eagle C + 25 Eurofighter Typhoon, all other l / a can be left behind the brackets. Basically, these are outdated F-5 and Panavia Tornado IDS, which can perform auxiliary functions, but are not suitable for forming the first wave of attack.

United Arab Emirates. About 75 F-16s, plus as many (slightly less) outdated Dassault Mirage 2000s. As you can see, you can assemble a very serious air group if you add Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, which have almost no fighter aircraft, but there are quite a few modern helicopters that can be assigned to patrol the Persian Gulf and counteract the Iranian the fleet, (mostly mosquito), it turns out that such forces the Arabian monarchies could deal with Iran on their own. If not for one significant “but”. All this power is completely incapacitated. Neither the General Staff of the SA, nor the General Staff of the UAE is able to develop, prepare and carry out such a large-scale operation as is required in Iran. And then we smoothly move on to the second actor of the Persian tale - Israel.





Israel is armed with 25 F-15I "Raam" (perhaps the most advanced upgrade of the F-15 Strike Eagle) + 100 F-16I SUFA (own upgrade of the F-16 from IAI. F-16I SUFA without a doubt the most perfect version of the F-16 in world) + 58 F-15 Eagle "BAZ" and at least 200 F-16 aircraft of earlier versions "Netz" and "Barak".



Dances with a tambourine around Iran, or Arab-Israeli circus on horseback




As you can see, the Israelis also have enough strength, and in qualifying for Israeli pilots, they don’t have to refuse. All joint exercises show that, in terms of training, only pilots of carrier-based aviation of the United States can with them. The General Staff of Israel has more than impressive experience in planning such adventures, so the fact that Israelis can plan, prepare and carry out such an operation successfully is also not in doubt.

So what's the deal? - The point is distance. Before reaching Iran, having taken off from the territory of Israel, it is necessary to travel more than 1,500 kilometers by plane. And Israel is simply not in a position to organize refueling in the air of such an armada of planes. There are not enough tankers. Yes, and the very idea of ​​air war across the lands seems extremely doubtful. In the end, everything can be reduced to the fact that small groups of bombers, hung with cans, not missiles, will carry bombs at extreme distances “a day by teaspoon.” There can be no talk of any effectiveness of such a strike. In other words, without airfields near the Iranian borders, Israel will not be able to disarm Iran, no matter how it tries to twist.

However, Israel bought and put in order three airfields in Azerbaijan, directly near the Iranian border. However, there is one significant problem here: President Ilham Aliyev is not an idiot. And to get involved in a full-scale war with a formidable neighbor almost one by one will not. (Israel does not border Iran, and in the case of bombardment, Iran in response to Israel will only be able to launch dozens (maybe hundreds) of obsolete missiles, half of which are good if they hit Israel at all), which cannot be said about Azerbaijan. In the framework of a broad coalition, to look for happiness in southern Azerbaijan is one thing, and dragging chestnuts out of the fire is another, even though, in terms of equipment, the modern army of Azerbaijan may well give serious battle to the Persians. But to check it without insurance there are no idiots in Azerbaijan.

However, the closer to the “point of no return”, “the more interesting the girls are dancing”. Not long ago, Israel officially apologized to Turkey and agreed to pay compensation to the victims of Mavi Marmara. And recently it became known that Israel is opening a base in the Negev for Turkish aviation and is asking for an air base on the border with Iran in exchange for access to advanced defense technologies from Turkey. At the same time, one should be aware that such consent is the consent of Turkey to participate in the operation, and nothing else. It is clear that the allocation of its territory in the event of an Israeli air strike is an act of war. And this is getting interesting. Because the participation of Turkey is still more than X-NUMX aircraft F-150 and most importantly, the participation of Turkey can incline the government of Azerbaijan to participate in the war. Action within the coalition is a completely different conversation.

Now back to the gentle relations of Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs have been howling with each other for so long that they have long become relatives to each other. And I'm not joking. Of course, the Arab street is aggressive and sincere in its hatred of Israel. So, for example, the rulers of Egypt willingly spread with big spoons hatred of Israel on a dry cake of the Egyptian poor. However, the Egyptian generals themselves have long had working and even friendly contacts among the Israeli generals. Israeli generals are often in Cairo on working visits, and Egyptian generals are frequent guests in Jerusalem.

Jordan has already opened its sky for the Israeli military aircraft. The reason is the monitoring and intelligence of the situation in Syria. Jordan has already been transferred from the category of enemies to the category of working partners of Israel. Although the Jordanian king from time to time must something to grease the poor man's taco. And when the oil is not enough, the old fashioned smears hatred of Israel. But only as a last resort, and if there is no oil at all.

I can not say a few words about the November tango of Israel and Qatar. And the fact that this (operation "Cloud Pillar") was a tango for two - there is no doubt. Netanyahu with Al-Thani so masterfully performed this hot dance over the heads of the people of Gaza, that we can only applaud standing. At the same time, the Emir of Qatar showered Israel with such curses and calls for "to erase, bomb, destroy ...", which clearly outplayed. But what did Israel do in Gaza? What was the purpose of the operation? Over a thousand and six hundred sorties, and probably not with a single bomb under the wing, that Israel bombed if almost no one was killed in Gaza? The fact is that an Arab cannot be bought. Arab can only be rented. At one time, Iran took over Hamas. He supplied missiles, most of which Hamas profukal during the first hours of the operation. But 1600 sorties are here, well, fifteen and even 100 missiles caches? No, Israel bombed Hamas infrastructure. Their gas stations, shops, shops for packing Egyptian hashish, the drug factory ... And all this immediately after the emir of Qatar left Gaza. The fact is that Hamas is a network organization consisting of hundreds of groups. In essence, Hamas is a gang council. And not all groups were happy to swear a new owner in the face of Qatar. After destroying the infrastructure and own economy of Hamas, Israel kicked the Hamas leaders into economic dependence on Qatar. The question is why, and what does Qatar want from Israel in exchange for silence in Gaza? A blow to Iran? Section of the gas market? We just have to find out. However, with a general derogatory rhetoric in the media under the carpet, the ties between Israel and the Arabian monarchies may be closer than we can imagine. Bahrain, for example, has already added Hezbollah to the list of terrorist organizations. What will the next step be? Recognition and peace treaty? Maybe. And it is possible that instead of a peace treaty, the Arabians will offer something better out of despair, a joint war against Iran. And then, when developing the operation, the Israel General Staff (well, not the Qatari general staff will prepare the operation) will already operate not only on its own, but the coalition group of Turkey, Israel, SA and the UAE, which has more than six hundred L / A. In this case, Iran will have no chance. The Israelis will have to take the most difficult job of suppressing air defense and destroying command centers and communications centers, while the coalition will work with the second and third waves.

In addition, a very interesting picture emerges when analyzing the supply of American weapons to Israel. For example, convertiplane "Osprey". And this can only talk about one thing. It is impossible to destroy nuclear facilities from the air, which means that special forces will be required to land, followed by assault and destruction of objects. However, this is a topic for another article. Anyway, the metamorphosis that can occur in the Middle East is so significant that we could not even think about it yesterday.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 4 May 2013 07: 39 New
    +3
    It would be interesting to see how the SA, the UAE will be "friends" with Israel against Iran. Most likely, they will simply take positions of armed neutrality in the event of a conflict with Iran with one of the parties ... And in this regard, it is probably worth thinking more about what development of events most of all corresponds to the interests of Russia, I think there is no armed conflict, especially a nuclear one, near their southern border.
    1. Russian
      Russian 4 May 2013 10: 31 New
      +4
      Well, I don’t think so! They just hate Iran very much, mainly because of the redistribution of oil! And in the article they are brought to the fore.
      So what else will they "be friends", they will fly in a whole flock of vultures, as in principle they can only fight. The main task of Russia and China is to prevent this from happening.
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 4 May 2013 10: 42 New
      -6
      For what purpose did a gray-haired Jewish comrade publish this article here? What is the point of provocation? Should Russia allow genocide not only in Syria, but also in Iran?
      1. Rioter
        4 May 2013 10: 50 New
        +3
        I am examining the situation in BV, how Russia should act in the article, not a word. In my opinion, rebuild science and stay away from this spider's den called the Middle East. By almost 400 yards of $ in terms of today's purchasing power, the Arabs divorced the USSR, and the USSR BROKEN. Back on the old rake? China yes, China is volatile, it should flutter. And what kind of lada does Russia need there? There is nothing but losses and there never will be. As in the joke: "The place is cursed."
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 May 2013 11: 20 New
          -6
          Quote: Rioter
          ... And what kind of lada does Russia need there? There is nothing but losses and there never will be. As in the joke: "The place is cursed."

          All the stay of Russia in the BV is a complete loss of dough, authority and human lives.
          The Russian (Soviet) mentality will never understand Arabic, and therefore a guy said all the promises of GDP — a man did. they don’t leave their friends and friends are in trouble -
          DO NOT HAVE ANY VALUE IN AN ARAB WORLD OR IN BV.
          Israel I certainly do not comb the Arab world.
          For the sake of momentary interests (and the Arabs simply have no other interests), they will bend under anyone. they will pour honey in their ears, but they will forget about you right away and as the meaning of life (RENDERED SERVICE_ ALREADY A SERVICE). Besides just hundreds of lost billions, the USSR and Russia did not receive anything from BV or from Syria. And what Syria is an ally? I just can not understand what? For the fact that they are honored with such an honor, to receive and receive Russian grandmothers without an account (without giving up, of course) Russia can certainly spend grandmothers as she wants - her business, but her ally is at least bilateral. Who will say when it was calm in Syria that Russia received from Syria? I can understand that the turnover is scanty, there were no concessions and contracts. For that so killing comrades?
          I understand, even as a confrontation with the United States, well, the United States in Syria plays the tenth violin no more. And with Saud and Qatar or Turkey, Russia seems to be like a wonderful relationship.
          Arabs will divorce you like suckers and laugh at your bewildered faces and exclamations of indignation - like we were tearing your belly for you.
          75% of the inhabitants of the site were either in Egypt or Tunisia or Turkey - you think that all this rabble surrounding you on vacation is a separate one (people flew from the moon)
          They’re nothing like this (most, well, maybe Turkey is more civilized).
          And To deceive in negotiations or in the market is their mentality, to forget a promise is in the order of things.
          Russia in the BV will only lose - until you learn how to talk to them in their own language.
          But you are unlikely to succeed, imperial pride and megalomania will not give. And among the Arabs * to make * such is simply the highest valor.
          Look at the same Amer (the same stupid 0 feed this whole rabble. But except for curses addressed to them from the crowd they hear nothing.
          In general, a feeling of gratitude is completely alien to this crowd.
          They remind me of slop cats, picked up by kind people and taken to the house .. All the caresses, care and feeding the housewife they (cats) perceive it is nothing else - I should put it a priori, while allowing me to scratch, bite and shit in slippers (about this the owners tolerantly tolerate - well, they didn’t throw it away, they took it, we’re kind of responsible for those whom we accustomed to.
          Remember Assad - this is the same (for Russia) scumbag cat. She will get fish, and when the time comes she will shit in sneakers (which I have already done) laughing
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 4 May 2013 12: 33 New
            18
            I am not a connoisseur of the Arab mentality, but I definitely know that in the East, respect is respected. If Russia in Syria is Assad, it will have many allies in the BV.
            1. elmi
              elmi 4 May 2013 13: 42 New
              +9
              Quote: Metlik
              If Russia in Syria is Assad, it will have many allies in the BV.

              And if throws, then Russia will finally lose respect and authority. And without that, authority is tarnished by the surrender of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 4 May 2013 14: 06 New
              +6
              Quote: Metlik
              I am not a connoisseur of the Arab mentality, but I definitely know that in the East, respect is respected. If Russia is beyond Assad in Syria, it will have many allies in the BV

              It will not appear. The conflict is Shiite-Sunni, and the Arabs are mostly Sunnis, and supporting Assad, Russia becomes an enemy for 90% of Arabs.
              Therefore, apart from hatred, Russia has so far earned nothing from the Arabs.
              1. smile
                smile 4 May 2013 17: 48 New
                +9
                Yeraz
                Do you really think so? what can we earn in the Arab League, where the Saudis rule something but hatred? And what do we need to do for this? To commit suicide? If we disown Syrians, we deserve the contempt of the Arabs you mentioned and their confidence (and not only them) that we can be ignored. At the same time, we lose the support of the 10% that you mentioned ... Do you like this option?
                1. Scythian 35
                  Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 04 New
                  +1
                  And please tell me why Russia should save someone. And what Assad did for forty years. They smoked a hookah, flew to Europe for shopping, built palaces. What is difficult to predict how it can end for them ??? Why didn’t they strengthen the borders, why didn’t they agree with opponents, didn’t carry out reforms. We got used to take billions of weapons to the USSR on credit, to plunder it in another Arab-Israeli war and take it again, sponsored by terrorist organizations. How much can be saved, they forgot how many times the USSR saved by demarches, threats to intervene, and so on... Returned Israeli troops to their homeland from near Damascus.
                  Remember, Egypt, like Syria, built dams for them, fully armed with modern weapons and that is a three-finger figure. Add Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Algeria, and this is only the Muslim world !!! And that, even Gaddafi in the sunset of his life, for Russia made a three-finger figure. And tens of billions have gone into oblivion. And then, the USSR fully funded the war of Mao with Chiang Kai-shek, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and this is hundreds of billions. And what- China considers Siberia as its territory, Vietnam is ready to pay Russia for debts in such a ratio, for one Soviet foreign currency ruble-RUSSIAN RUBLE FOR CALCULATION DAY !!!!!!!
                  If we invested these days in our economy, America would nervously smoke aside, and the Soviet Union would not only not break up, but also increase !!!! And so they fed almost all of Africa and Asia, when the store shelves in the USSR were empty, armed the Papuans, when modern weapons weren’t enough in Afghanistan.
                  1. smile
                    smile 4 May 2013 20: 01 New
                    10
                    Scythian 35
                    Yes, we must not save anyone. And your reproaches to the Arabs are justified enough ...
                    But!!!
                    If we hadn’t supported our suh .. son of Mao, there would have been a stranger and no less sukinsyn Chiang Kai-shek, we would have American bases near us and a pro-American snapping his teeth, supported by the power of ... sov. China at hand is a terrible dream of our country and it is still not clear if we would not have a war with them. The same is Vietnam and Korea ... yes, to neutralize these vagaries (otherwise they would not have been brought up by striped comrades) we would have slammed such funds that they would have exceeded real costs by many times ... what kind of economy are you talking about? Imagine - now China and the USA are allies ... against whom, I hope, even you understand ... Was it not bad?
                    Did your grandmothers from the next bench tell you about the lack of modern weapons in Afghanistan? :))))
                    Nevertheless, sometimes it’s worth thinking with your head ... you are an economist ... you don’t take offense at me, I have no desire to offend you, but the repetition of this perestroika rubbish freaks me out
                    1. Scythian 35
                      Scythian 35 4 May 2013 21: 29 New
                      -3
                      The pro-Soviet regime is just grinding its teeth, Damansky did not teach !!! Now a powerful propaganda campaign is underway to return the "primordially Chinese lands" to China. And the primordially Chinese lands are Siberia and the floor of Kazakhstan. Duck, for me, better Amerovskie byzy on the borders are than Chinese. Well-fed Amer to Russia heh .. he will go, and the Chinese will run at a gallop !!!!
                      And it’s not about bases, but as long as Russia will feed and arm all the world, we give billions of presents, and at home we shout that the Air Force has received ten new planes, the chickens are ridiculed, and it turns out that Algerians returned as marriage! !! And then we are indignant that nobody wants to reckon with Russia !!!
                      1. KOMPLEKT
                        KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 21: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Scythian 35
                        Now a powerful propaganda campaign is underway to return the "primordially Chinese lands" to China. And the primordially Chinese lands are Siberia and the floor of Kazakhstan. Duck, for me, better Amerovskie byzy on the borders are than Chinese. Well fed Amer to Russia heh .. he will go, and the Chinese will run at a gallop !!!!

                        You can link to Chinese sites with propaganda about the return
                        Quote: Scythian 35
                        "primordially Chinese lands"
                        ?
                      2. Scythian 35
                        Scythian 35 4 May 2013 22: 03 New
                        0
                        Do you know the language of the Han people ??? Sorry I’m not a troll, and for your sake I’m not going to, if you want, you can search on this site, this topic has already been discussed here more than once.
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                      4. Scythian 35
                        Scythian 35 4 May 2013 22: 26 New
                        -1
                        http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=463166

                        that’s enough for you.
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                      6. KOMPLEKT
                        KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 23: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Scythian 35
                        http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=463166

                        And where is the propaganda?
                        Forum of the Chinese news site with a similar device and ratings as here.
                        March 2012 rubric of opinion.
                        The forum member 2007 registration writes a repost:
                        that there is Putin’s statement on the return of Siberia and the Far East to China (that is, they give themselves — there are no such requirements from China)
                        The first commentators, as usual those who are in the subject and on guard, yes, these are our lands, it is necessary to register this in textbooks so that everyone remembers how the Europeans expelled us from there, a character of some kind 89g. He promises to shed blood for his native countryman.
                        From 2-3 pages, participants are simply pulled up:
                        Well, they will give it up and get hurt. Yes, stop dreaming this is nonsense. 4 tiny islands do not give to Japan, and we have half of Siberia.
                        The author is an American spy, the author does not know the geography-Siberia of northern Mongolia (the inner Mongolia that is given away and which is kind of originally Chinese).
                        And where is the propaganda ??????????
                        It is quite appropriate to read the ordinary Chinese adequate (if they give something they don’t refuse), someone would have written on the forum that the Turks voluntarily returned to us Istanbul (Constantinople) would have reacted in the same way.
                      7. Scythian 35
                        Scythian 35 5 May 2013 09: 04 New
                        -2
                        Znchit the Chinese on similar to this site write nonsense, and here the Slav brothers give out "high thought" for similar articles.
                        Please, be determined !!! If the Chinese write nonsense then, accordingly, nonsense is also written on this forum, and if you say that the articles on this site have rational grain, then we should perceive articles on Chinese sites at face value. !!!
                      8. Scythian 35
                        Scythian 35 5 May 2013 09: 07 New
                        -1
                        you asked for a link, if you think that similar articles will appear on the websites of the official authorities of the PRC, then I am sorry for you. Sorry I will not feed more trolls.
                  2. Scythian 35
                    Scythian 35 4 May 2013 22: 52 New
                    -1
                    http://yvision.kz/post/270684
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                2. KOMPLEKT
                  KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 22: 10 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Scythian 35
                  Do you know the language of the Han people ???

                  I do not, and an enemy Google translator will help.
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 4 May 2013 22: 21 New
                  +3
                  For example
                  Church slogan in Zhejiang
                  DEFINITELY PROTECT DIAJUAIDAO ISLAND, WHICH GOD GIVEN TO CHINA!

                  There are a lot of such pictures. Yes, and a lot of newspapers.
                4. KOMPLEKT
                  KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 23: 55 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Pimply
                  DEFINITELY PROTECT DIAJUAIDAO ISLAND, WHICH GOD GIVEN TO CHINA!

                  NO, I AM FINALLY FOR THAT THE DIAHOU ISLANDS BELONG TO THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, BUT BECAUSE OF INERTIES OF THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY, THEY ARE DISPUTED ONLY BY JAPAN AND PRC.
                5. Pimply
                  Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 03 New
                  +3
                  The same anti-Japanese theme about the islands - hundreds of such demonstrations took place not so long ago.

                  [media=http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6513/4274024.12/0_802da_b517766f_-1-XL.jpg
                  ]

                  Here, for example
                  [media=http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6505/4274024.11/0_7e1cf_f640b56a_-2-XL.jpg
                  ]
                  SEND THE TROOPS TO DIAOYUDAO ISLANDS! YES HELLO CHINESE EMPIRE!
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      2. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 00: 47 New
        +4
        Scythian 35
        China was not pro-Soviet but pro-Chinese. They had socialism with such a Chinese cut of eyes that it simply ceased to be socialism .... and as for territorial claims, they would have been anyway, but if your recommendations had been accepted your claims would have been supported by American power, American weapons, which are clearly better than Chinese ....

        I don’t like many billionth gifts and an unpragmatic policy, but it’s the lot of a power that wants to be great, otherwise there’s no chance ... but if we didn’t aspire to be a great power, we would simply be devoured, we would have no other way that allowed if we could survive ... the Americans acted the same, with the only difference being that they took control of the resources within the framework of the policy of colonialism and simply plundered these countries ... we didn’t do that and couldn’t do it, we are different ... reckon with us do not want only then. when we lost power ... and, by the way, including stopped investing in these ... well, it is clear to whom ... here's a sad story ...
      3. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 5 May 2013 10: 10 New
        +2
        Syria's debt to Russia in 2005 amounted to more than $ 14 billion (http://afn.by/news/i/59536). I don’t know the debt of Egypt, but given the construction of the Aswan Dam and the fact that the USSR sent much more weapons to Egypt than to Syria, I think this sum is much more than 20 billion. Yemen is more modest than Syria, but given the many years of civil war, I think this sum is not much less than 10 billion. And finally Iraq. Iraq's debt for 2004 amounted to more than 9 billion. (http://www.minfin.ru/en/press/speech/index.php?pg4=79&id4=5042) Although I think this debt is much larger, it is no secret that the USSR essentially financed the Iran-Iraq war. But given that Iraq is a rich country and little by little, it was supposed to be nine. Total at least almost 50 billion, and this is without writing off the USSR, even on this site there was a figure on how much the Arabs of the USSR divorced - 400 billion. Well, okay, let's dwell on this one.
        And now to the main one. Dear Smile, I apologize but even with foam in the mouth you prove that you need to protect and help all kinds of freaks and dictators, but I believe that if the USSR did not give this money to anyone, and given the dynamics of prices, he could calmly build and form five for the fleet - six aug. And you will never prove to me that Russia will be respected in the Middle East for helping Assad, a renegade of the Arab world, and we may lose those who, in extreme cases, were loyal to Russia.
        And most importantly !!! A topic ago, if in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Arabian Sea in Russia (maybe the USSR would have remained), a couple of AUG hung around, and a couple standing in reserve in Sevastopol, I’m sure 1000 percent Arabs were the best friends for Russia, and I think no one would of these, it would not have occurred to them to twist a three-finger figure, and if Syria were a Middle Eastern ally, then no one in Qatar and Saudi Arabia would even dream of a regime change in Syria, much less financing of the armed opposition.
      4. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 13: 44 New
        0
        Scythian 35

        soooo ... So ... you ... comrade ... about foam, don't get carried away ...
        I'm talking to you normally ...
        That's the more you say here, the more you will disavow your point of view .. well, we won’t count billions on our fingers, especially since the bulk of them were written off by democratic Russia and not by the stupid USSR ... but imagine - your dream has come true .. . we have AUG .. and where we will send them - male, on your advice we don’t give anything to anyone, Americans dominate everywhere, who are incredibly strong, because they did not spend money on opposing us, because they quietly drove them into the new yoke of neocolonialism All developing countries ...... and to hell with you in this case aircraft carriers? ...... what tasks would you set for them and from strangers everywhere offshore? I don’t want to continue, well, you should be able to think at least to some extent ..
        By the way, your two AUGs will not leave the World Cup-Turkey would cease to reckon with us immediately, after your policy of isolationism, you would have rotted against the wall ... Do you happen to be an accountant? Well, that which is not an economist is understandable .....

        And the last ...
        A stupid statement, that we financed the Iran-Iraq massacre so stupidly that it looks like a blatant intentional lie .. don’t do that anymore ... okay?
      5. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 5 May 2013 14: 16 New
        -1
        Well, I recall for some reason, blacksmiths went through the straits like a cruise ship, the main thing was to order an advance passage from Turkey, and without problems !!!
      6. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 16: 00 New
        +2
        Scythian 35
        In international practice, only those agreements are observed that you can provide with the power and influence the execution of which is the opposite. If we could not complicate the life of Turkey economically and by other methods - with the help of our allies - through the same Syria, including, we would have been hung a striped stick for a long time for us ... would you not have tamed Turkey with nuclear weapons? But what else if there are no allies, and the United States looms behind the Turks, if all the UN, the entire Security Council — for the United States (otherwise it would not be)?
      7. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 5 May 2013 16: 18 New
        -2
        Well, about the UN, you know that he pays and the girl dances, and with 400 billion in his pocket, only savings from the Arabs. With that kind of money we would have ordered such music a hundred and Mexico and Canada ran to the Warsaw Club to dance !!! And at the expense of Turkey, we simply failed .... they fell, after the revolution this country was looking for support and an ally in Soviet Russia, and our demons could not offer the Muslim state anything other than scientific atheism.
      8. smile
        smile 6 May 2013 02: 09 New
        -1
        Scythian 35
        Here ... Good girl, I suspected that you were not a stupid person ... because I didn’t bark with you ... as you said, having 400 billion .... well, that’s what we had ... well, that’s how we paid ... and the music was ordered ... everything is exactly the same. as it was ....
        about Turkey ... funny ... Turkey. like the china you mentioned earlier. I was looking for help, as free as possible, but acting in my own interests (and whose else?) ... the part received, as you are offering now (although you have just criticized the USSR for this), and thanks to us, this Muslim state has strengthened. and their leadership did not give a damn about what our - atheist Young Turks were no less godless. after all, it was they who proclaimed a secular state (well, only praised you, and you again ... again a hefty gap) _... moreover, we gave them more than you suggested here ... since the Turks are not like dybil, they they looked for support not only with us (all the more so that they had territorial claims to us for the future, and rightly) ... and found ... not ours ... in much larger sizes ... I hope you won’t blame us that in a devastated country there was no more to invest irrevocably billions in the Turks so dear to your heart? Well, we didn’t have them then ...
  2. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 14: 27 New
    -1
    Iraq was the aggressor in the Iranian Iraq war, and if it weren’t for the supply of weapons from the USSR, the late Sadam could only threaten the late Khomeini with a finger !!!
  3. Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 15: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Scythian 35
    and if it weren’t for the supply of weapons from the USSR, the late Gardens to the late Khomeini could only threaten with a finger !!!

    Here you are not quite right!
    Saddam received a lot of weapons and most importantly money from the monarchies of the gulf!
    Now, if it weren’t for them, then you are only right to threaten with a finger!
  4. smile
    smile 5 May 2013 16: 06 New
    0
    Scythian 35
    You have very serious knowledge gaps about this conflict ... therefore I will not smear you. Just read on this topic. Focus on the topics: Why the USA was the main ally of Iraq, why Saddam coordinated all his actions with the USA, why Saddamitch was supplied with any weapons and military equipment from the West, without any restrictions, I repeat WITHOUT LIMITATIONS! why the Europeans (the French were particularly distinguished, well, the Germans tried to keep up) built him chemical weapons factories, nuclear reactors. Why did he shoot all of his Communists ... after learning the answers to these questions, you will no longer smear the USSR, at least on this issue ....
  5. Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 16: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: smile
    Why the USA was the main ally of Iraq, why Saddam coordinated all his actions with the USA, why Saddamitch was supplied with any weapons and military equipment from the west, without any restrictions, I repeat WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS! why the Europeans (the French were particularly distinguished, well, the Germans tried to keep up) built him chemical weapons factories, nuclear reactors. Why did he shoot all of his Communists ... after learning the answers to these questions, you will no longer smear the USSR, at least on this issue ....

    Absolutely true!
  6. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 16: 40 New
    -1
    that he shot communists, and I agree with you !!!! laughing
  7. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 16: 27 New
    -1
    Corrected yes !!!! but I'm sorry and America at least a penny to Iraq for the purchase of weapons gave !!!! ???? One France endowed 70 obsolete mirages, and then only after advance payment. I think the data on the number of deliveries of Soviet weapons you do not need to bring !!! They are not commensurate with the fact that they gave the monarchy and Europe, it's a penny !!!
  8. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    I apologized in advance.
  9. smile
    smile 5 May 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    Scythian 35
    Accepted. I apologize for being too harsh.
  10. Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 14: 09 New
    -1
    You probably do not understand the essence, the world financial system consists so that America does not need to seize resources, because half of the world, including Russia) is in line to the United States to sell the same resources for candy wrappers called "dollar" that the United States prints in unlimited quantities. Why resort to such unpopular measures in America as war !!!
  11. smile
    smile 5 May 2013 16: 12 New
    +1
    Scythian 35
    It’s strange if they don’t need to seize resources, then why did they actively do just that when we went into isolation? And really. why are they resorting to such unpopular measures as war ... :))))) They not only capture them, they take control over their use, they can force the country subjected to missile bomb democratization to pursue a policy, including economic right US line ... believe me. countries do not line up for the United States to, excuse me, get cancer ... it’s just the good Americans who come to them to deliver ... I hope you understand what they’re doing not out of love, so to speak, for art, but for different more mercantile reasons?
  • Nick
    Nick 4 May 2013 20: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Scythian 35
    And please tell me why Russia should save someone.

    Helping Syria, Russia saves itself. Don't you understand that? There is a big game for the redistribution of the World and it will not work out.
    1. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 4 May 2013 22: 11 New
      0
      To be honest, I am glad that reality is far from what was said and written on this site and Russia is not involved in dog squabbles in the Middle East, and in the Far too. !!!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 4 May 2013 21: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: smile
    Do you really think so? what can we earn in the Arab League, where the Saudis rule something but hatred? And what do we need to do for this? To commit suicide? If we disown Syrians, we deserve the contempt of the Arabs you mentioned and their confidence (and not only them) that we can be ignored. At the same time, we lose the support of the 10% that you mentioned ... Do you like this option?

    No, you almost didn’t understand me. I wrote this to another post saying that with this support Russia will gain allies in the BV. Russia will only get more hatred and a trump card in the hands of the West when anger can be projected onto Russia. Russia simply does not support Syria would aggravate the situation.
    So I just said that nifiga from this support of the allies will not appear there.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 5 May 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    [quote = Yeraz] [quote = Metlik] Will not appear. The conflict is Shiite-Sunni, and the Arabs are mostly Sunnis, and supporting Assad Russia becomes an enemy for 90% of the Arabs. [/ Quote]

    Qatar is not all Arabs. Qatar, which ordered Syria by order of British and American hoyas, is just a spit on the map. From his hatred, nothing changes, he does not pull the tricks.

    The challenge is to reverse this entire Arab spring, Syria is a good place to gain a foothold. By and large, all the same, Shiites or Sunnis, or who else.
  • astra
    astra 4 May 2013 14: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Metlik
    If Russia in Syria is Assad, it will have many allies in the BV.

    And large orders for military equipment
  • Yazov
    Yazov 4 May 2013 19: 00 New
    +5
    About the atalef Arab mentality is right at all 120 percent. I saw people there. Especially in Egypt and Palestine. Insolent, just a bug, ill-mannered, aggressive people. In Jordan, the country and the people are more decent. But, I had an opinion about the Arabs.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 4 May 2013 19: 29 New
    0
    Russia is now actively losing allies. The USSR was strong - which did not bother Arabs to permanently betray and pursue their interests.
  • Yazov
    Yazov 4 May 2013 20: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Metlik

    I am not a connoisseur of the Arab mentality, but I definitely know that in the East, respect is respected.
    Yes, they do not respect strength, but the loot is very, well, they just love it very much!
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 5 May 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Metlik
    I am not a connoisseur of the Arab mentality, but I definitely know that in the East, respect is respected. If Russia in Syria is Assad, it will have many allies in the BV.


    Allies or not, but they will stop making faces at us, at least they won’t openly. And this is a lot.
  • smile
    smile 4 May 2013 17: 41 New
    +8
    atalef
    You see, what a thing, if we limit ourselves to communicating only with one hundred percent allies and do not go into either BV, SEA, America or Africa ... then this means an instant loss of status, influence on one’s position in the World, and then the loss of the last allies ... further - agony ... If you believe that we do not and cannot have our interests in BV, then, I assure you, you are mistaken ... yes, you yourself know that ... but on whom else can we rely on there? To the Saudis, Qatar and other Bahrain ,? We have completely non-cloudy relations with them, or rather quite hostile, and so far no reason or event is foreseen that could improve these relations ... Everything is far from cloudless with Turkey too ... It is absolutely impossible with Israel, as long as Israel is the closest ally of the United States in the region ... so we just have no choice. As for the Arabs, no one is deceived - they would be deceived, in Syria our people would have been sitting long ago ...
    I understand. that you may have a dislike for Syria and Assad personally ... why should there be mutual love there ... but we simply do not have other allies there. And allies should not be rushed ... by any, not even very reliable. We’ll start rushing - we will forward and instantly be left alone ... surrounded by enemies clattering their teeth ...
  • T-130
    T-130 5 May 2013 10: 26 New
    +1
    As for the amers: in fact, they do this not with their own money, but in their own interests!
  • KOMPLEKT
    KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 12: 07 New
    +8
    Quote: Rioter
    Nearly $ 400 yards in terms of today's purchasing power, the Arabs divorced the USSR

    Well, firstly: For nothing, for the barn
    secondly: without even arguing with the figure, what did the USSR get for this money ?! 30 years can be said to have a calm border, not by and large anti-Soviet alliances (especially with NATO Turkey) from the south (we will feel the difference with the current border and direct and indirect losses of people and money from the "Chechen spring").
    Thirdly, our weapons are bought to a very large extent due to its prevalence in the BV and the real results of its use, which "recaptured" at least a third of the amount spent 400 billion on "promotion".
    Fourth: Well, how not to get into it when you describe the scenario of capturing the last sources of oil and gas independent from the United States and ways to transport them to Europe, where is our main market and source of budget replenishment if in the 12th year the income from oil and gas exports is the same 400bn then a controlled drop in prices by 25% deprives us of $ 100 billion per year, a decrease in the share of exports to Europe (it is quite realistic to rebuild oil and gas pipelines from the BV to the EU and chop off 25% of our physical export volumes) by another minus $ 100 billion and even 200 billion. $ losses per year, not 30 years.
    So it’s in our interests to support Iran. And the free shipment of weapons even for 5 billion. $ pay off in just a week.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 May 2013 13: 19 New
      -3
      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      secondly: without even arguing with the figure, what did the USSR get for this money ?! 30 years can say a calm border

      The USSR was bordered by the BV — curiously, but at what point did they touch?

      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      nor any anti-Soviet alliances (especially with NATO Turkey) from the south

      Well, they invested in Angola so that there wouldn’t be any more south of alliances *? Although only south of South Africa is south.
      Do you think that the Arabs would create an alliance against the USSR - shkolota

      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      Thirdly: our weapons are bought to a very large extent due to its prevalence on the BV and the real results of its use, which "recaptured" at least a third of the amount spent 400 billion on "promotion"

      What the fuck has been heard. For such management, everyone needs to be fired. All weapons they got as a gift, no one returned loans. and your mom and dad paid for living in a communal apartment and hoping for a bright future fool


      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      Well, how not to get into it when you describe the scenario of capturing the latest US-independent sources of oil and gas and ways to transport them to Europe

      In Syria, oil and gas? Curious
      By the way, it means that they help not because of Assad, but because of possible competition with Gasprom. Well, at least one wise thought.

      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      . income from oil and gas exports is the same 400bn, then a controlled price drop of 25% - deprives us of $ 100bn per year, a decrease in the share of exports to Europe (it is quite realistic to rebuild oil and gas pipelines from BV to the EU and chop off 25% of our physical volumes) minus 100 billion. $ and that 200 billion. $ losses per year, not 30 years.

      Some childhood, especially with numbers. Oil is dragged by tankers, as much as he likes. And competition will be inevitable. In Israel, the largest gvza deposit has been launched over the past 10 years. Export will go to Europe as much as Gazprom did not try - they did not sell it to him. Russia will now fight with Israel.
      Flywheel launched, from US shale gas, liquefied Qatari, natural Israel - gas prices will fall with or without Syria
      Quote: KOMPLEKT
      So it’s in our interests to support Iran. And the free shipment of weapons even for 5 billion. $ pay off in just a week.

      Blessed is he who believes
      1. KOMPLEKT
        KOMPLEKT 4 May 2013 15: 59 New
        10
        Quote: atalef
        The USSR was bordered by the BV — curiously, but at what point did they touch?



        Quote: atalef

        Do you think that the Arabs would create an alliance against the USSR - shkolota


        Do not believe it, but they created it against the shouting.


        Quote: atalef
        What the fuck has been heard. For such management, everyone needs to be fired. All weapons they got as a gift, no one returned loans. and your mom and dad paid for living in a communal apartment and hoping for a bright future fool


        Not returned, but written off ... for example, specifically Kudrin, "poor" Iraq 8 billion. $ after the victory of the United States and oil prices then, despite the war, fell very, very much.
        Notice in the communal apartment, and not in the dugout, and lived, and did not die out in the furnaces of Auschwitz.

        Quote: atalef
        In Syria, oil and gas? Curious
        By the way, it means that they help not because of Assad, but because of possible competition with Gasprom. Well, at least one wise thought.


        And the United States and Israel are not there to fight for the places of Christ.


        Quote: atalef
        Some childhood, especially with numbers. Oil is dragged by tankers, as much as he likes. And competition will be inevitable. In Israel, the largest gvza deposit has been launched over the past 10 years. Export will go to Europe as much as Gazprom did not try - they did not sell it to him. Russia will now fight with Israel.
        Flywheel launched, from US shale gas, liquefied Qatari, natural Israel - gas prices will fall with or without Syria


        I see the goals of the anti-Iranian company you agree with me (oil and gas).
        It will be necessary to fight with Israel.
        You assure us that we are only losing there, and why are you getting into it so frantically?
        Tell us about the interests of Israel, and we tell you where to climb and where not to.
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 34 New
          -2
          If not for the USSR and its weapons, the maximum that they would create is a big bunch.
      2. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 27 New
        -1
        Everyone taught geography at school, many liked it, taught economic geography, many knew it perfectly !!! One thing is surprising: how can you brain like that to make Syria a major producer of oil and gas. Syria is a major transit country for oil gas, not a getter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Quote: atalef
        In Syria, oil and gas?
        1. Nick
          Nick 4 May 2013 21: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Scythian 35
          Syria is a major transit country for oil gas, not a getter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          And that’s the whole point. Transit is not controlled by the United States. This does not suit Amerov much, and of course Israel ...
          1. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 4 May 2013 21: 47 New
            +1
            do not go away from the topic, please, and do not distort the map, half an hour ago, Syria was for you a dobichik oil. Yes, and America, in fact, on..t to Syrian oil transit, since this oil goes to Europe.
      3. Nick
        Nick 4 May 2013 21: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        The USSR was bordered by the BV — curiously, but at what point did they touch?

        America and Asia are generally in different parts of the world, but for some reason they are climbing into the BV.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, they invested in Angola so that there wouldn’t be any more south of alliances *? Although only south of South Africa is south.
        Do you think that the Arabs would create an alliance against the USSR - shkolota

        Well, the Saudis entered into an alliance with the amers and dropped oil prices in the 80s, the bankrupt USSR
        Quote: atalef
        What the fuck has been heard. For such management, everyone needs to be fired. All weapons they got as a gift, no one returned loans. and your mom and dad paid for living in a communal apartment and hoping for a bright future

        There is some truth in your words, but if the USSR had no influence on BV, our overseas friend would have taken control of the whole situation there. Do we need it?
        Quote: atalef
        In Syria, oil and gas? Curious
        By the way, it means that they help not because of Assad, but because of possible competition with Gasprom. Well, at least one wise thought.

        It is possible that this interest is present.
        Quote: atalef
        Some childhood, especially with numbers. Oil is dragged by tankers, as much as he likes. And competition will be inevitable anyway.

        But tankers are more expensive than an oil pipeline. Cost is increasing, and therefore price. This is a priori beneficial for us.
        Quote: atalef
        And competition will be inevitable anyway. In Israel, the largest gvza deposit has been launched over the past 10 years. Export will go to Europe,

        And how will he go to Europe? In liquefied form by tankers? Then its price will be very high, and therefore non-competitive.
        Through a gas pipeline, then through Turkey, but for this, Syria must be moved somewhere. Israel has no common border with Turkey.
        Quote: atalef
        Flywheel launched, from US shale gas, liquefied Qatari, natural Israel - gas prices will fall with or without Syria

        The price cannot be lower than the prime cost, and the cost of delivering gas and oil products to Europe by tankers greatly raises energy prices in Europe. Oil and gas pipeline transportation is several times cheaper and there is no way to do without Syria, and there is our Assad. And this circumstance also speaks in favor of the support of Russia, the legitimate leader of Syria, Bashar Assad.
        So prices will not fall.

        Quote: atalef
        Blessed is he who believes

        And this is true ...
        1. Anti
          Anti 4 May 2013 21: 39 New
          +4
          The fight for the east. The performance starts at 0:13:00.

    2. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 09 New
      0
      Interesting logic !!! Give a neighbor a gun so that, God forbid, you decide to shoot you !!! laughing
  • Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 4 May 2013 18: 15 New
    -2
    Totally agree with you!! You can add one item. The greater the shake-up in the Middle East, the more expensive the oil, the more expensive the oil, the stronger Russia. In the meantime, they will gnaw the gourds there one to another, Russia just arrives in time to divide the Middle Eastern pie, and not like a poor neighbor, but as it did, with a good and honed dagger.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 4 May 2013 19: 28 New
    +1
    Senks, good article.

    Let me tell you right away that the situation of direct interaction is unrealistic. Too many unpredictable mahaviks are spinning in this case. Including revolutionary ones. But games, such as shuttle diplomacy and "closing eyes" - this is the whole Middle East. What can Qatar need? And a lot of things. For example, technology. It passed almost unnoticed, but Israel is due to visit a member of the Qatari royal family in November. For the first time in history.

    The visit of Prince Khalifa bin Abdullah Al-Thani coincides with the opening of an arbitration center to resolve conflicts between Israeli and Palestinian businessmen.

    According to the Kalkalist website, Khalifa bin Abdullah Al-Thani is going to fly to Jerusalem in November. This will be the first official visit of a representative of the royal family to Israel.

    The purpose of the visit of the Qatari prince is to establish contacts between high-tech companies. Qatar is interested in developing a local high-tech, importing high technology and creating new jobs in this industry. Prince Khalifa bin Abdullah Al-Thani hopes that he will be able to interest Israeli companies so much that they want to transfer part of their projects to Qatar from India and Eastern Europe.

    The Qatari prince plans to meet with the management of Israeli high-tech companies and venture capital funds. The final program of his visit will be formed in the coming months.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 4 May 2013 21: 05 New
    +1
    Yes, I want to add - you did not take into account the modernization of most aircraft and the presence of UAVs in Israel, as well as new contracts of Saudi Arabia.
    1. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 5 May 2013 15: 08 New
      0
      It is necessary to consider many aspects, for example national !!! remember? US troops in Iraqi Kurdistan felt safer than with Saudi Arabia.
      So is Iran. Indeed, Persians and Iran are less than half, although the official authorities say about sixty percent, this is, to put it mildly, untrue. There is a radical figure of less than a third, but this is unlikely. More or less true figure to which ethnographers converge is forty percent, and with mixed families up to a maximum of forty-five !!! And I think in the case of a big mess, many independent states will appear on the map of Iran, Azerbaijan, I think the Balochs will also try and get help from Pakistan. Well, God himself ordered the Kurds, given that there is a near-independent Iraqi Kurdistan, but in fact one can say Syrian. I think such a powerful national liberation movement will bring Persia to its knees without internal intervention.
      Most likely there will be no direct intervention, and it is not needed, I think in some places there will be a special forces landing, with air strikes and missile strikes, they will drive Iran into stone, this will end. And if Iran wants to fight and descend from its mountains to the inter-river plain, then there is no need to dream of a better option !!! There she will be crumbled and shaken, like a seasoned Russian mistress of cabbage.
  • T-130
    T-130 5 May 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    Say everything correctly, but there is a question, in case of a mess, where should the refugees go? I’m afraid that they will be pulled to Russia, therefore Russia shouldn’t go there but prevent the conflict as much as possible!
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 4 May 2013 12: 57 New
    +1
    hi Is the role of Svidomites of Azerbaijan interesting? Dad, former KGB general Aliyev, a hardened Chekist, seemed a weak link? like the fox Shevarnadze ....... ???
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 May 2013 16: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Hunghouse
      Is the role of Svidomites of Azerbaijan interesting? Dad, former KGB general Aliyev, a hardened Chekist, seemed a weak link? like the fox Shevarnadze ....... ???

      What is Svidomity?)))))))
      And what role should Azerbaijan have?)))))
      You * love * Iran like because he is the enemy of Amers, and we know their guts!
      I wrote about this before, I will write again for you!
      If you do not know then the USSR for Iran was little Satan, and the USA big!
      Sheikh ul Islam of the Caucasus, Allahshukur Pashazade, said in an interview that in 89, being invited in 89 to the anniversary of the revolution, he came to the parade and saw that the USSR and US flags were drawn on the square on which the soldiers were supposed to march!
      The Sheikh demanded that the flag of the country which he presents be removed from the square when he was refused, he left the event!
      1. smile
        smile 4 May 2013 17: 59 New
        +1
        Yarbay
        Greetings!
        And for us, Iran is also a small Satan - in comparison with another, Hefty Satanicity :)))) Therefore, we should support them to some extent - there is no other choice, otherwise Iran, after the obligatory ritual of revolution, flogging and robbery, will become operational Satanism and also will begin to clap our direction shutter ...
        By the way, I want to thank you - they did not let me die a fool :))))) - When you and I last chatted, you veiledly hinted at my, so to speak, ignorance of the origin of Wahhabism ... and so - you're right. I had to correct this gap. :)))) Thank you
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 May 2013 20: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: smile
          And for us, Iran is also a small Satan - in comparison with another, Hefty Satanicity :)))) Therefore, we should support them to some extent - there is no other choice, otherwise Iran, after the obligatory ritual of revolution, flogging and robbery, will become operational Satanism and also will begin to clap our direction shutter ...

          Hi Vladimir!
          With this point of view, I agree, I just do not understand when some tear vests on themselves for Iran!
          As for Wahhabism, I also confused something on that issue, but in general we exchanged opinions usefully! I also learned something new for myself!
          For which you are very grateful!
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  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 4 May 2013 13: 50 New
    +2
    Meanwhile in Iran

    Armed attacks and terrorist attacks continue in Iraq. During the day 16 people died



    Despite the efforts of the authorities in Iraq, the escalation of violence continues. On May 3, the most active shootings were recorded in the city of Mosul. Here, 9 Iraqi policemen were killed in clashes with militants, and 7 more were injured. In other cases, the case was limited to short shelling of security forces from shelters, as a result of which no one was injured.

    Against the background of a slight decrease in the number of armed attacks, terrorist attacks in Iraq are practically continuing. According to the UN, the monthly statistics of terrorist attacks in Iraq for April 2013 exceed similar figures for the past five years.

    April became the bloodiest as well - 712 people were killed in terrorist attacks and shootings, 1633 were injured. Of these, about 600 are civilians (the UN recorded civilians and killed militants as civilians). Baghdad suffered the most from the attacks. In the Iraqi capital, 211 people died in a month, 486 were injured.

    The attacks are organized by both Sunnis and Shiites. At the end of April, a series of anti-Shiite attacks took place. May also began with a series of anti-Shiite attacks in 4 cities of the country. May 3 there was an anti-Sunni attack. After Friday prayers, a mined car exploded near the Sunni mosque of Rashidiya north of Baghdad. 7 people were killed, 13 more were injured.
    1. astra
      astra 4 May 2013 14: 52 New
      +8
      The Syrian army would not be bad to help with the delivery of small-sized equipment "Antisniper"
      The equipment is able not only to identify the sniper shooter, but also has the ability to blind the identified enemy with a narrow beam of light.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 01: 06 New
        0
        And now - who will pay all this 8)
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 4 May 2013 14: 55 New
    +5
    [quote = svp67] It would be interesting to see how the SA, the UAE will be "friends" with Israel against Iran. Most probably
    Even as they will be friends !!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 4 May 2013 20: 41 New
      +2
      You + I’m interested in who will lead someone by the arm or who will be friends with someone and from whose orders it will be done. :)
  • astra
    astra 4 May 2013 22: 39 New
    +1
    Whatever they say about Iran, I consider Iran a friendly country. I don’t remember that we ever fought with Iran. They never attacked us. Such countries should be treasured and not allowed NATO to unleash another "democratization", especially near our borders.
    1. Beck
      Beck 4 May 2013 23: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: astra
      Whatever they say about Iran, I think Iran is a friendly country

      Quote: astra
      Such countries should be treasured and not allowed NATO to unleash another "democratization", especially near our borders.


      No current situation around Iran would he give up intentions to get nuclear weapons. Iran would have lived its life according to Sharia law, would have sold its oil without interference, would have read namaz five times a day. Who cares how the country lives.

      But Iran, with its orthodox, unbalanced, unpredictable ayatollahs, violates the principle of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Iran with nuclear weapons will not be equivalent to countries with nuclear weapons with adequate governments, such as Russia, the USA, China, England, France, India, and Pakistan.

      Therefore, the international community is opposed to nuclear weapons of Iran. And the main thing is because there will be a precedent in the region. Poking fingers into Iran with nuclear weapons will want to get hold of both the Saudis and Turkey. And in principle, it will no longer be forbidden to take possession of nuclear weapons in Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine.

      Who needs this? And first of all, will Russia need this? What Astra, in this situation will you sleep better? Now, if Venezuela would want nuclear weapons. Then it’s clear, let the US not sleep. And here, at your side, it’s better to bite your finger off if only for Amers to put it in his pocket.
      1. astra
        astra 4 May 2013 23: 26 New
        +3
        I have not heard that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a peaceful atom is developing. Of course, it’s not very willing to live with a neighbor possessing nuclear weapons, but even if she doesn’t have the crazy ability to use nuclear weapons against Russia, Iran will never attack us. Many are looking for a reason to attack Iran. In Iraq, too, it was thought out that there was nuclear weapons there, but in reality it was not there. North Korea, for example, possesses nuclear weapons and no threats, many countries come up with threats, and in fact those countries are forced to develop nuclear weapons because this is at least some kind of guarantee against not attacking aggressive countries. After all, apart from America, no one took advantage of nuclear weapons.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 46 New
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          In Iraq, there was no talk of nuclear weapons. It was a question of biological and chemical weapons. The biological was not found - but it was just in question, the chemical was discovered.
          1. astra
            astra 4 May 2013 23: 54 New
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            All the same, America needed a reason to invade Iraq and they found means by hook or by crook.
        2. Beck
          Beck 5 May 2013 09: 14 New
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          Quote: astra
          I have not heard that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, a peaceful atom is developing.


          Well, is it finally? Five years or more, the whole world speaks only about this, but there are people who have not heard about it.

          Iran, at one time, signed an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. And what any signatory should fulfill all the rules of this agreement. And one of the most important clauses of the contract is the admission of the IAEA commission to any facilities, at any time, under any circumstances.

          And Iran does not allow the IAEA to commission its nuclear facilities. Why? First Assumption - Something is hiding. And, what can be hidden at nuclear facilities except for banned nuclear components, not dates with raisins.

          Here is the World Community and says - Allow the IAEA commission and if you have nothing forbidden, then develop a peaceful atom further. And remove the economic sanctions from you. So Iran still does not go for it.

          And for the most part there are not only amers. Sanctions imposed by a majority vote of UN members and members of the UN Security Council. So these are international sanctions.

          Iran will not attack. Ayatollahs insane in religious ecstasy will attack who dream of doing global circumcision in the name of establishing a New Islamic Order in the World.

          DPRK You listen to the news or you beat the nerve threads going to the areas of analysis in the brain. Only two weeks ago, the DPRK threatened all its neighbors with a nuclear attack. You at least do not give absurd arguments.
    2. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 4 May 2013 23: 20 New
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      Soviet occupation of northern Iran during World War II.
      1. astra
        astra 4 May 2013 23: 29 New
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        Well, this is a minus to us. The main thing is that their conscience is clear; their troops did not trample our land
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2013 01: 02 New
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          astra
          Sorry, but we fought with the Persians, and more than once, and saved the Georgians, etc. and shortly before 812, they had to grapple with them ... on their initiative, by the way ... so that you couldn’t call this country friendly ... they spoiled enough blood for us ... not so much, of course, like Turkey but still .... through them. By the way, the British successfully influenced us .... and in August 41 we didn’t have anything to do to send several armies there .... with their tendency to cooperate with Hitler they posed a serious threat to us ...
          1. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 5 May 2013 15: 23 New
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            The Middle East was then at risk, Britain was trembling when Stalin sent troops into Persia, neither the English nor the Americans squealed !!!
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 33 New
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      1804-1813, 1826-1828, for example. Griboedov recall? In 1941, the invasion of Soviet and British troops into Iran. I recommend a speech to read Khomeini about the big and small Satan - the USA and the USSR.
      1. astra
        astra 4 May 2013 23: 51 New
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        I do not deny the presence of our troops in Iran, but I am sure that the Iranians did not attack us. Or my statements for you in order to say something? as you noticed on the next branch in my address
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 52 New
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          Do you consider the conflict only an act of aggression of Iran?
          1. astra
            astra 4 May 2013 23: 57 New
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            If you read my remarks, I want to convey that we should not be afraid of Iran. And many countries are trying to make a monster from Iran, they scare the world with the development of nuclear weapons. I’m sure that Iran will not attack us, there were no conflicts.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 04 New
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              Oh, Iran should be wary of more than. It is not a primary danger, but it’s foolish not to understand that Iran has its own interests and it’s simply dangerous to consider it another
              1. astra
                astra 5 May 2013 00: 12 New
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                Iran’s interests do not extend to us, moreover, by its influence, it can help restore order in the Caucasus at the ideological Muslim level. The Iranian is better Sunni than the Saudi Wahhabi Caucasus shows whose influence they plant there.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 44 New
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                  Are Iranians Sunnis? 8) Do you even understand what you are saying? Do you understand the approximate difference between Shiites and Sunnis? How do you imagine Shiite ordering in the Sunntian Russian Caucasus?
                  1. astra
                    astra 5 May 2013 00: 59 New
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                    Shiites predominate in Iran. Sunites prevail in the UAE and there are more of them in the east. I am not an orientalist to understand these graters, I know that the Wahhabis are Sunnis and they are planting radical Islam in the Caucasus. Iranians think that they could help restore order there.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 5 May 2013 01: 08 New
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                      You do not know that in Shiism is also a radical branch? Or that the difference between Sunnis and Shiites is slightly larger than between Catholics and Orthodox. How do you imagine Shiite order among the Sunnis? Something like in Syria? Or how during the civil war in Lebanon?
                    2. astra
                      astra 5 May 2013 01: 14 New
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                      Shiite religious processions inherent drama. In contrast to the Sunnis, with the Shiites interpretation of the prophet's instruction is possible. However, only those who have a special right to this.

                      Shiites represent the second branch of Islam in importance and number of adherents. The word itself in translation means "adherents" or "Ali's party". This was the name of the supporters of the transfer of power in the Arab Caliphate after the death of the Prophet Muhammad to one of his relatives - Ali bin Abi Talib. They believed that Ali had the sacred right to be the caliph as the closest relative and disciple of the prophet.
                    3. Pimply
                      Pimply 5 May 2013 01: 19 New
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                      It is good that you are now engaged in self-education. I recommend reading more. And then try to answer the question - how do you imagine "bringing order" by the Shiites in the Sunni Caucasus?
                    4. astra
                      astra 5 May 2013 01: 32 New
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                      So who really needs to self-educate more often is for you, in a nearby branch, such a blizzard was written on the topic that silent sniper rifles are ineffective in urban fighting in Syria, and you also hint that they fought. Shiite Muslims make up the majority of the population in Iran, Azerbaijan, Iraq and Bahrain and you say that there are more Sunites in the Caucasus, Azerbaijan is not the Caucasus in your opinion? And cleverly, I see that you are moving away from them and translating them into topics close to your knowledge. Neskryu I do not understand Shiism Sunni I do not need it. The topic was that Iran is not our enemy, but the West is trying to bend Iran under itself and invent a nuclear threat.
                    5. Pimply
                      Pimply 5 May 2013 02: 40 New
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                      You have another misunderstanding of the material read. I'm not proud, I repeat.
                      I did not write that the "Vintorez" is not effective in urban combat. I wrote the following: "screw cutter" for the Assad regime - what a dead poultice. And yet - the "Vintorez" is not a silent rifle.

                      1) Do you roughly imagine the logistics of arming such weapons, supplying them with spare parts, cartridges, training?
                      2) You read something other than the Caucasus - I specifically wrote for you: The Russian Caucasus. Is Azerbaijan the Russian Caucasus?

                      You do not understand the topic, do not try to understand it, and after hearing enough "has no analogues" and other garbage, you profoundly utter nonsense.
                    6. astra
                      astra 6 May 2013 01: 01 New
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                      This is your misunderstanding. And I think that "vintorez" is a normal and useful rifle for the Syrian army. I know that it is not completely silent, but the quiet pop in the conditions of the city battle will not be heard. Logistics are handled by special bodies and there is nothing to think of as a specialist capable of assessing the logistics of arms supplies.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      You do not understand the topic, do not try to understand it, and after hearing enough "has no analogues" and other garbage, you profoundly utter nonsense.

                      What are nerves already losing? ))) is rather weak ... you are trying to defend your point of view, I’m mine, and you are beginning to convince yourself of powerlessness as a connoisseur if you write. Is your nose too bulging? He who throws the words BAD is himself.
                  2. Scythian 35
                    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 15: 50 New
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                    The Gorodishchensky Court of the Penza Region recognized Ayatollah Khomeini's "Testament" as extremist literature. As noted by the newspaper "Gazeta", it has already been included in the list of extremist literature, which is maintained by the Federal Registration Service. Khomeini's teachings are more radical than Wahhabism. Wahhabism in the Christian world is like the Puritan Christians. And the teachings of Khomeini are revolutionary Islam, preaching the seizure of power in secular, and in fact in all, Muslim states of power and the transfer of power to the religious elite of the state. I apologize for such a primitive presentation !!!
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 May 2013 16: 02 New
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                    Quote: Scythian 35
                    Wahhabism in the Christian world is like Puritan Christians

                    it is not true!!
                    Wahhabism is akin to Christian sects such as the white brotherhood or Iygova’s witnesses!
                    The quote you quoted about * puritanism * of Wahhabism is also far-fetched and has certain goals !!
                    Look at the ruling family in Wahhabi countries, where is puritanism ??
                  4. Scythian 35
                    Scythian 35 5 May 2013 23: 16 New
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                    I dare not agree with you even though I’m far from it, Wahhabism is still not a sect, but a trend in Islam. A sect is a religious group of people separated from the main religious trend. And the Wahhabites, as it seems to me, did not recede from Islam as they were and were Sunni Muslims, and how can you call a group of people the population of an entire country of the SA and the entire population of several UAE emirates, plus several million more around the world.
                    Puritanism - (excuse me from the dictionary) - puritas - cleanliness - a way of life characterized by extreme strictness of morals, ascetic restriction of needs, protest against any kind of luxury and amenities, patriarchal attitude to family and marriage issues.
                    It is debatable - a protest against any kind of luxury and amenities, but as far as I remember the English Puritans were quite wealthy people, and they persecuted them mainly not because of religious views, but to profit from them.
                    But the main thing is not to replace the concept of the ruling elites of the states with the population of these states.

                    with respect.
                  5. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 6 May 2013 06: 48 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Scythian 35
                    And the Wahhabis, as it seems to me, didn’t retreat from Islam, as they were and have remained Sunni Muslims,

                    You are deeply mistaken !!
                    Quote: Scythian 35
                    Puritanism - (excuse me from the dictionary) - puritas - cleanliness - a way of life characterized by extreme strictness of morals, ascetic restriction of needs, protest against any kind of luxury and amenities, patriarchal attitude to family and marriage issues.

                    this is not in Wahhabism !!
                    Quote: Scythian 35
                    But the main thing is not to replace the concept of the ruling elites of the states with the population of these states.

                    Understand the top of the state is also a spiritual guide !!
                    Wahhabism is precisely a sect that has little in common with the Sunnis!
                    Yours faithfully!!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 5 May 2013 07: 21 New
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          Quote: astra
          Unlike the Sunnis, in the Shiites the interpretation of the injunction of the prophet is possible.

          rave!
          the rest is true!
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 07: 20 New
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        Quote: Pimply
        Or that the difference between Sunnis and Shiites is slightly larger than between Catholics and Orthodox

        Eugene You say again, to say the least, a lie!
        There is no big difference between Shiites and Sunnis !!
        In order to understand this, it is enough to visit Turkey!
        The big difference between the Wahhabis and the rest!
        Quote: Pimply
        You do not know that in Shiism is also a radical branch?

        it's really super))))))))
        Tell us what branch ???))))
      3. Beck
        Beck 5 May 2013 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        There is no big difference between Shiites and Sunnis !!


        The difference in spirituality may be small. The difference in the fierce confrontation is very large.
      4. xetai9977
        xetai9977 5 May 2013 10: 03 New
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        Yarbay is right. The difference between the Sunnis and Shiites is only the rights of the heirs of Imam Ali. There are no special differences between them. And the confrontation between them is artificially inflated. It depends on whom it is beneficial.
      5. Beck
        Beck 5 May 2013 10: 41 New
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        Quote: xetai9977
        The difference between the Sunnis and Shiites is only in the rights of the heirs of Imam Ali. There are no special differences between them. And the confrontation between them is artificially inflated. It depends on whom it is beneficial.


        And by whom do they swell? And who benefits from this? That's who benefits from the Sunni Iraqis and Shiite Iraqis at each opportunity blow up each other and blow up mosques. Here to whom? Apart from religious intolerance, I see no other reason.
      6. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 12: 06 New
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        Quote: Beck
        And by whom do they swell? And who benefits from this? That's who benefits from the Sunni Iraqis and Shiite Iraqis at each opportunity blow up each other and blow up mosques. Here to whom? Apart from religious intolerance, I see no other reason.

        Illiteracy trouble !!
        In the Arab countries and in Pakistan, this is just a clan struggle as a result of which representatives of one or the other side tell tales about each other!
        In Russia, much worse, perfect illiteracy, ignorance of the topic and unwillingness to learn something at all!
        It is mainly people who want Muslims to kill each other !!
      7. Beck
        Beck 5 May 2013 13: 35 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        Illiteracy trouble !!


        I agree. Absence or small presence of Enlightenment. Well, malicious intent is present. Either the vain religious leaders, or the greedy voracious politicians.
      8. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 14: 31 New
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        Quote: Beck
        Either the vain religious leaders, or the greedy voracious politicians.

        The final document of the International Muslim Conference, held on July 4-6, 2005 in Amman (Jordan) under the motto "True Islam and its role in modern society"
        In the name of Allah the Merciful and the Merciful!

        Blessing and peace to our lord Muhammad and his family! “Oh people! Fear your Lord, who made you out of one soul ... ”(Quran 4: 1).

        In accordance with the fatwas (religious and theological conclusions) of the Supreme Imam Al-Azhar, the Mufti of Egypt, the Supreme Mufti of Oman, the Islamic Law Academy of Saudi Arabia, the Supreme Religious Council of Turkey, the Mufti and the Committee for Fatwas of Jordan, Shiite Maja (spiritual leaders) of the Ja'afarites and as well as Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Sheikh Yusuf al-Qardawi:

        1. Anyone who is a follower of one of the four Sunni madhhabs (Hanafi, Malikite, Shafiite, Hanbalite), Shiite movements of Jafaria, Zayed, as well as Ibadiy and Zakhir, is considered a Muslim.
        It is unacceptable to accuse him of unbelief, to encroach on his life, honor and property. In addition, it is forbidden to accuse adherents of asharism and those who practice true Sufism, continuing the traditions of their ancestors, in disbelief. In general, it is not permissible to classify atheists any group of Muslims who believe in Almighty Allah and His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!) Respect the tenets of religion, without rejecting any of them.

        2. Among the various areas of Islam, there is much in common. Adherents of the eight movements follow the basic Islamic principles, believing in the One Most High Allah, the holy Quran (the revealed Word of Allah), and our lord Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!), The Prophet of all mankind. They also adhere to the five pillars of Islam (confession of faith, prayer, alms, fasting in the month of Ramadan, Hajj), recognize the five pillars of faith (in Allah, in His angels, in His Message, in His prophets (peace be upon them all), on Judgment Day , in predestination).
        The discrepancies between the ulama of these directions do not affect fundamental issues, but only particular ones. Moreover, the existence of differences in the views of the ulama is a positive phenomenon.

        3. Possession of knowledge of Islamic movements implies the need to adhere to the fundamental methodology of theology. No one has the right to make decisions on religious issues without understanding the specifics of each of the areas of Islam. No one is allowed to engage in independent theological activities in one direction or another, without adequate training, or to proclaim the emergence of a new trend, and to publish fatwas that would take Muslims outside the rules and principles of the doctrine established by the Sharia.

        4. The main idea of ​​the Amman message, adopted on the blessed night of Predestination in 1425 according to the Hijra and read out in the Hashemite mosque, is the admissibility of belonging to various streams and directions, recognition of their right to exist, recognition of the need for dialogue and interaction between their followers. This, in turn, implies a moderate approach, a search for mutual compromise, tolerance and condescension to each other, mercy and respect for the opinions of others.

        5. We call for the settlement of disagreements among Muslims, the unity of their statements and positions, the consolidation of their mutual respect, the solidarity of their peoples and states, the strengthening of fraternal ties so that there is no reason for confusion and division between them.
        Allah (praise be to Him) says: “Indeed, believers are brothers. Reconcile your brothers and fear Allah - maybe you will be merciful ”(Quran 49:10).

        Glory be to Allah!
      9. Anti
        Anti 5 May 2013 15: 01 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        It is unacceptable to accuse him of unbelief, to encroach on his life, honor and property


        This only applies to Muslims ???
      10. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 15: 36 New
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        Quote: Anti
        This only applies to Muslims ???

        I cited this link many times!
        The promise to the monastery of St. Katerina:
        “This message from Muhammad, the son of Abdullah, may it be an agreement with those who accepted Christianity, far or close, we are with them.
        Truly, I, helpers and my followers protect them, because Christians are our fellow citizens, and by the will of Allah I oppose everything that can offend them.
        No coercion shall apply to them. Just as their judges will not be removed from their posts, so their monks will not be expelled from the monasteries. Nobody will destroy the house of their religion and damage it and will not take away a single thing from it to the homes of Muslims.
        If someone takes this or that thing from there, he will break God's instructions and disobey his prophet. Truly, they are my allies, who have secured my guarantee of security against everything that they hate.
        No one will force them to move from place to place or participate in battles. Muslims must fight for them. If a Christian marries a Muslim, this should happen only with her consent. It is forbidden to prevent her from attending church for prayers. Their churches should be respected. No need to stop them from rebuilding their churches and maintaining the holiness of their Testaments.
        None of the Muslims shall violate this agreement until the Day of Judgment. ”
      11. Anti
        Anti 5 May 2013 15: 58 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        None of the Muslims should violate this agreement until the Day of Judgment


        But in the Qur'an there are some points at which there will be no sin for a lie.
        1. During jihad to disperse infidels and give fortitude to Muslims.
        2. For concealing a sin committed by oneself or others.
        What does it mean?
      12. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 16: 09 New
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        Quote: Anti
        But in the Qur'an there are some points at which there will be no sin for a lie.
        1. During jihad to disperse infidels and give fortitude to Muslims.
        2. For concealing a sin committed by oneself or others.
        What does it mean?

        it is a lie and a lie!
        This is not in the Qur'an !!

        A Muslim is allowed by the Almighty to renounce God and the Koran in case of mortal danger, to save his life is the mercy of the Almighty !!
        But I have never heard or seen a Muslim take advantage of this!
        And the words and orders of the prophet regarding Christians are a law for every Muslim, since all Muslims know that he did not say anything from himself!
        and Note * until Judgment Day *, that is, it is impossible to change or interpret another!
      13. Anti
        Anti 5 May 2013 16: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        I have never heard or seen a Muslim take advantage of this!


        وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجُوهُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ ۚ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ ۚ وَلَا تهُامْلُلم

        الْحَرَامِ حَتَّىٰ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ ۖ فَإِنْ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

        بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ


        Kill [unbelievers], wherever you meet them, expel them from the places from which they expelled you, because for them unbelief is worse than death at your fingertips. And do not fight them at the Forbidden Mosque until they fight with you in it. If they fight [at the Forbidden Mosque], then kill them. Such is the reward of the unfaithful!
      14. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 16: 58 New
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        Quote: Anti
        Kill [unbelievers] wherever you meet them

        You are reading inattentively !!
        You correctly understood the quote that resulted from my komenta and why I wrote it ????
        Apparently no !!
        What did you write now and what kind of deviation does this have to the fiction written by you about the Quran ??
        I understand that these are not your words and opinions were in the first comment !!
        You see, I answered a hundred times to these fabrications that you draw on sites from atheists!
        I will give you advice, take the name of the surah the number of the ayah and punch tafsirs in Google!
        The Quran is not a simple book; it has a story!
        What a sura when and why descended from the Almighty what is its meaning !!
        By the way, the verse you have seen is also distorted, there are inaccuracies, translation!
        It clearly says fight if they attacked you!
        What surprised you !?
      15. Anti
        Anti 5 May 2013 17: 03 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        What did you write now and what kind of deviation does this have to the fiction written by you about the Quran ??

        Lying is a terrible sin. But it is permissible when it is implied that it will bring good.
        1. During jihad to disperse infidels and give fortitude to Muslims.
        it's about JIHAD.
        Ayat 191
        http://quran.ipamis.com/sura-2/191.html

        I was surprised that it’s not a sin to lie.
        The Lord has allowed you to swear vows
        He is your Patron,
        Omniscient and wise.
        Ayat 2
        http://quran.ipamis.com/sura-66/2.html
      16. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 17: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: Anti
        I was surprised that it’s not a sin to lie.
        The Lord has allowed you to swear vows
        He is your Patron,
        Omniscient and wise.
        Ayat 2
        http://quran.ipamis.com/sura-66/2.html

        I want you to understand again that you cannot understand literally the Quran and the verses in isolation from each other in the suras!
        The meaning is completely different)))

        In the name of Allah the Merciful, the Merciful!
        This surah is revealed in Medina. It consists of 12 ayats. The Surah tells of one incident that aroused the wrath of the prophet - peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him! - on some of his wives, and he refused part of what Allah allowed him. The sura also contains a warning to his wives from the consequences of their act. Further, in the sura, it was ordered by believers to protect themselves and their families from fire, for which people and stones serve as fuel. The Surah indicates that Allah will not accept from wrong apologies on the Day of Resurrection. Ayats call upon believers to turn to Allah with sincere repentance, and may Allah bless him and salute the messenger! - to the fight against infidels and hypocrites and intransigence towards them. At the end of the Surah, examples are given confirming that the piety of husbands does not relieve their wicked wives of the punishment that befell them from Allah, and that the wickedness of husbands does no harm to the righteous, honest wives. After all, every soul is rewarded according to its deeds.

        http://www.imam.ru/quran/066.html
        Quote: Anti
        Lying is a terrible sin. But it is permissible when it is implied that it will bring good.

        Where is it??
      17. Anti
        Anti 5 May 2013 17: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Where is it??


        To refute the case of the hypocrite, if there is no other way.
        For protection against oppression or robbery of one's (or another's) property or livestock.
        To conceal the sin committed by oneself or others.
        To reconcile people, especially spouses.
        To raise the spirits of home: wives, children, to preserve their secrets, to comply with the agreement between them.

        Koran 5:89
      18. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 17: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: Anti
        Koran 5:89


        You read and understand the Quran incorrectly!
        You can say how Wahhabi!)))
        The link you provided does not have what you are writing about !!
        You have deliberate translation errors !!
        Here we are talking about repentance for a lie and forgiveness by the Almighty if sincere repentance!
        There are no moments you cited in the Koran and Islam!
        it is against Islam!
        “Allah (God, the Lord) will not ask you for empty oaths [those that are uttered without awareness], but will ask you for serious oaths [which you made with the corresponding intention in your heart]. Atonement for breaking such a [serious] oath is to feed ten poor from the middle than you feed your family, or their clothes [that is, buying clothes for ten], or freeing a slave [which is irrelevant for today and, God willing, will never be will be]. He who does not find [the opportunity to fulfill one of the three mentioned forms of atonement should be] fasting for three days.
        This is the atonement of your oaths [broken] if you [seriously] swore by [Allah (God)].
        Be obligatory in the [fulfillment] of oaths!
        Similarly, Allah (God, the Lord) clarifies the signs to you, perhaps you will be grateful [be grateful!]. ”
        http://umma.ru/tafsir/88-lal-maidar-trapeza
      19. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 18: 16 New
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        Quote: Anti
        To refute the case of the hypocrite, if there is no other way.
        For protection against oppression or robbery of one's (or another's) property or livestock.
        To conceal the sin committed by oneself or others.
        To reconcile people, especially spouses.
        To raise the spirits of home: wives, children, to preserve their secrets, to comply with the agreement between them.

        these are all fabrications!
        By the way, you can k famous scientists to ask a question directly!

        http://www.sistani.org/
  • Anti
    Anti 5 May 2013 17: 27 New
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    Quote: Anti
    Kill [unbelievers] wherever you meet them


    So I’m an unbeliever and I understand it the way it is written. I do not attack anyone, I do not touch anyone.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 17: 49 New
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    Quote: Anti
    So I’m an unbeliever and I understand it the way it is written. I do not attack anyone, I do not touch anyone.

    So this is exactly written in relation to the infidel who will attack you!)))
    Therefore, I say, you need to know when what kind of surah and why was sent by the Almighty and how the prophet interpreted it for believers !!
  • Anti
    Anti 5 May 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    That's all religions, well, approximately, as the law that draws where you turn there and it turned out. Not a hint of insult, purely my opinion.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 20: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: Anti
    That's all religions, well, approximately, as the law that draws where you turn there and it turned out. Not a hint of insult, purely my opinion.

    Quote: Anti
    That's all religions, well, approximately, as the law that draws where you turn there and it turned out. Not a hint of insult, purely my opinion.

    The fact is that, so that there are no discrepancies, hundreds of scientists have studied these issues and written thousands of books !!
    It is not for nothing that the most respected scholars in Iran are called Ayatollah, that is, he can and has proved to everyone that he knows Islam in little things and can explain any ayah from the point of view of Islam scientifically and cannot be refuted!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 16: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Beck
    I agree. Absence or small presence of Enlightenment. Well, malicious intent is present.


    Here is an example of malice and premeditation and its exposure !!



  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 17: 02 New
    0
    Here are more examples!
  • Pimply
    Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 42 New
    0
    Just as there are no special differences in Christianity. Nevertheless, the split between Sunnism and Shiism - especially against the backdrop of the general radicalization of Islam - is more than strong
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 6 May 2013 06: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Just as there are no special differences in Christianity. Nevertheless, the split between Sunnism and Shiism - especially against the backdrop of the general radicalization of Islam - is more than strong

    Eugene!
    this is not an objective split, but an imaginary one!
    Come to our country or to Turkey and see how the Sunnis and Shiites hang around !!
    In the same Arab countries, hundreds of thousands, millions live in peace and harmony, but they all show you how small groups of idiots kill each other !!
    The WWII advocate hostility between small groups as a split between currents!
    Do not compare the situation in Lebanon with the situation in the rest of the world!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 May 2013 12: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Beck
    The difference in spirituality may be small. The difference in the fierce confrontation is very large.

    Well no!!
    there is no bitterness!
    For me, it makes no difference, and in general the concept of Shiite or Sunni !!
    They are all brothers to me!
    Shiites recognize the Sunnah of the prophet, Sunnis honor the family of the prophet !!
    The bitterness of people who do not know Islam and are illiterate!
    In the same Iraq, thousands of Sunnis and Shiites are neighbors, relatives, but they don’t talk about them!
    They say and sanctify only murders!
    this is deliberate!
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  • Pimply
    Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 35 New
    0
    Radical Shiism has not formed into a separate pronounced branch, as happened with Wahhabism. However, the sharp radicalization of double-Decadence in a number of regions - for example, in Iran and Lebanon, as well as, to a small extent, in Azerbaijan - is evident, Alibek, and is being carefully studied all over the world. And this is not the last five to ten years.

    The difference between Sunnis and Shiites is slightly larger than between Catholics and Orthodox. At least in perception. Collisions on this ground took place more than once or twice. What Wahhabis say in Bukhara were at the beginning of the 20th century? And then the massacre between the Sunnis and Shiites claimed 500 people.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 6 May 2013 06: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Radical Shiism has not formed into a separate pronounced branch, as happened with Wahhabism. However, the sharp radicalization of double-Decadence in a number of regions - for example, in Iran and Lebanon, as well as, to a small extent, in Azerbaijan - is evident, Alibek, and is being carefully studied all over the world.

    Sorry, but for me this is nonsense, a person who does not know Islam and Shiism! !
    Quote: Pimply
    And then the massacre between the Sunnis and Shiites claimed 500 people.
    these conflicts were at the everyday level, which they tried to translate into religious ones due to illiteracy!
    I talked about this above !!
    How in Pakistan there was a clan reason!
    Quote: Pimply
    The difference between Sunnis and Shiites is slightly larger than between Catholics and Orthodox
    More than disagree!
  • shinobi
    shinobi 4 May 2013 08: 01 New
    +5
    And against this solemn background, the "suddenly" arisen desire of the Syrian opposition to communicate with the Russian Foreign Ministry looks very interesting
  • Kaa
    Kaa 4 May 2013 08: 02 New
    +9
    in the case of bombing, Iran will only be able to launch a few dozen (maybe hundreds) of obsolete missiles in response to Israel, half of which, well, if at all get into Israel)
    Too lightweight for 2013, the statement: "currently Iran has missiles with a firing range of up to 2-2,3 thousand km and a real potential to increase it to intercontinental (6 thousand km). So far, the Iranian missiles have only conventional equipment. However, the R&D carried out in the country, if an appropriate political decision is made, may allow Tehran in the foreseeable future to combine two programs - nuclear and missile - to accomplish the main task - turning Iran into a nuclear-missile power. In 2008, the world media reported on two successful suborbital flight tests of Iranian missiles. On February 4, a test of the Kaveshgar-1 rocket (“Researcher-1”) took place, and on November 26, Iran launched the Kaveshgar-2 rocket into space. 200-250 km above the Earth's surface, and 40 minutes later their warheads descended to Earth with the help of parachutes. It is possible that the Iranians were able to bring them to near-Earth orbit bits of mockups of satellites.
    On February 2, 2009, the two-stage launch vehicle Safir-2 (Messenger), designed by Iranian specialists, launched the first national satellite Omid (Nadezhda) into low-earth orbit (perigee about 250 km, apogee - 450 km), equipped control devices, communications and power plant. http://nuclearno.ru/text.asp?13480
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 May 2013 08: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Kaa
      Too lightweight statement for 2013 year:
      I agree. Especially if we take into account the close cooperation between Iran and the DPRK, I think its result can become a BIG and UNPLEASANT "discovery" for the opponents of Iran
      1. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 39 New
        0
        And that the DPRK has become the world leader in rocket science. And all my life I thought that Russia.
    2. Rioter
      4 May 2013 08: 22 New
      +5
      The guidance systems of these missiles are full of seams. This time, and two - only those missiles will be launched that will launch in the first half hour. And after half an hour, all these rockets on earth burn with a blue flame. Not to mention that the safety of those missiles that are already at launch positions is a big question. For Israeli satellites do not just so fly against the rotation of the earth, but that they would more often scan the earth’s surface, and all or almost all of the missile positions are already on the gun. Yes, plus Israel’s missile defense system, some of them will be intercepted. Subtract all you need to subtract and not so many of those missiles will remain.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 08: 49 New
        +1
        And if the Iranians begin to blockade the Persian Gulf, intensify the activities of supported groups and agents, and begin to break through a corridor to the Golan Heights? Don't you think that this is possible and the matter may not be limited only to an air operation? And one more thing. Turkey is a NATO member. "Disarmament "Iran from Turkish airfields is no longer a regional conflict, but something more ..
        1. Rioter
          4 May 2013 09: 04 New
          10
          Directly from Tehran will be breaking through the corridor to the Golan? You look at the map, where is Iran and where is the Golan and how many THOUSAND kilometers from Iran to the Golan. Or is Assad at that moment most likely the murdered one will break through? Or did Hezbollah, by that time, either carved by the Salafis or bleeding, beating the Salafi’s onslaught on Israel, rush into a suicidal act of love for Iran? NATO will not climb into Iran. If Turkey fits in, then at your own peril and risk. Strait of Hormuz for a long time Iran will not be able to block. Ships will be drowned in the first hour, boats and boats will be fired from helicopters (there are several hundred of them among the Arabians) they will be fired off for a couple more days. The entire bay is patrolled and viewed by UAVs. The only chance Iran has to bite hurts is to bite first. Strike LNG terminals in Qatar and CA oil fields. If the coalition strikes first, Iran will not be able to bite a corpse. All teeth will be knocked out in the first wave of attack.
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 May 2013 09: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Rioter
            . All teeth will be knocked out in the first wave of attack.
            The war in Yugoslavia and the Persian Gulf showed that skillful engineering and camouflage measures give a high chance of survival for the "weapon of retaliation"
            1. Rioter
              4 May 2013 09: 19 New
              +4
              A) see my koment on the previous post.
              B) Well, what terrible retribution did Yugoslavia carry out, do you remember? Destroyed the Arc de Triomphe on the Chanse Eliza with a missile strike? Well, the qualifications / culture of the Yugoslavs and Persians are not in favor of the Persians.
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 May 2013 10: 28 New
                +4
                Quote: Rioter
                Well, what terrible retribution did Yugoslavia carry out, do you remember? Destroyed the Arc de Triomphe on the Chanse Eliza with a missile strike? Well, the qualifications / culture of the Yugoslavs and Persians are not in favor of the Persians.

                Yes, not what, but retained a lot of military equipment, which NATO out of habit brought into the destroyed. What a disappointment NATO experienced after visiting the airport in Pristina and saw what they actually achieved ...
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 09: 21 New
            +3
            So, as in the raid on Sudan it will be, but on a larger scale. Well, I understood everything --- Hello, Zarathustra hi
            1. Rioter
              4 May 2013 09: 31 New
              0
              Yes, but Sudan can also bombard Egypt in the Stone Age, (and in fact, what time is Sudan in bronze? :) Iran is still not a pound of raisins, and it will be naughty from everything that naughty. But if heaped on with the whole crowd, then too monstrous an advantage. Most likely will be swept away. The only question is whether they agree? all the same, so brazenly in one team to fight shoulder to shoulder with Israel, this will need to be explained to many citizens. They may not understand their king with a snap.
          3. svp67
            svp67 4 May 2013 09: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Rioter
            Directly from Tehran will be breaking through the corridor to the Golan? You look at the map, where is Iran and where is the Golan and how many THOUSAND kilometers from Iran to the Golan.

            It’s true, then it’s true, just do not forget two points
            1. Iran can conduct military operations with countries providing military intervention in Syria, that is, with Turkey, the SA and the UAE, from its territory.
            2. Iran can use the territory of the unrecognized republic of Kurdistan, in northern Iraq, to ​​transfer troops and equipment
            1. Rioter
              4 May 2013 09: 49 New
              +3
              "Point one" - that's the way it is. And in the event of an attack, Iran will try to get the SA and the AOE. Perhaps successfully in places.
              Point two is nonsense. Hook along impassable mountain paths 3000 km in hostile territory (not only the Turks have problems with the Kurds, but also Iraq, Iran, and Syria had until recently) Yes, the Persians will ditch the army at such a crossing without a war, no Israelis will be required. Logistics is a harsh science, it does not forgive mistakes :)
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 May 2013 09: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Rioter
                Point two is nonsense. Hook along impassable mountain paths 3000 km along hostile territory (not only the Turks have problems with the Kurds, but also Iraq, Iran, and Syria had until recently)

                Oh oh Iran has long worked very fruitfully with the Kurds, so what prevents them from renewing such cooperation?
                1. Rioter
                  4 May 2013 10: 01 New
                  +1
                  a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies that were brought to the Kurds and in exchange for which they urgently reconciled with Turkey. And look at the topography of Kurdistan. There on a moped you’ll damn everything while you drive. narrow mountain serpentines. It is unrealistic to carry out logistics.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 4 May 2013 10: 46 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Rioter
                    And look at the topography of Kurdistan. There on a moped you’ll damn everything while you drive. narrow mountain serpentines. It is unrealistic to carry out logistics.


                    Well let's see.
                    There are roads on the map and judging by the photo from the tourist booklets there they are quite normal if they allow you to move around with such a technique






                    Transport
                    There is almost no public transport in the usual sense. For all time, only one Erbil minibus was seen - Kirkuk.

                    The main type of long-distance transport is intercity taxi. In principle, it is convenient and relatively inexpensive. In every city there is something like a train station, from where such taxis depart. Finding such a station is also quite simple, you ask passers-by: "<city name> garage", and they show you the way in the right direction. If the city is large or broken to walk, you can take a taxi to the "garage". On average, a taxi in the city is 2-3k IQD.

                    Agree, their transport network is developed ...
                    1. Rioter
                      4 May 2013 10: 58 New
                      +3
                      TOPOGRAPHY !!! Look at the height map. Just look at the road network. You’ll pass a horseradish there, not that an army under the attacks of enemy aircraft should be held in isolation from supply lines. Sorry, but right, I will no longer comment on this your idea. Do you really think that it is possible to conduct a million-strong army along mountain trails of 3000 km and provide its supply? Yes, even under the blows of aviation? Even without counteraction and bombing, everyone will be killed there, torn off supply lines, ruined equipment and scattered in search of food without going half a way.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 4 May 2013 11: 16 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Rioter
                        TOPOGRAPHY !!! Look at the height map.
                        Yes, what is the problem. The terrain is quite passable for the troops, which can be covered with air defense systems, especially since as far as I heard they cloned our C-300 there ...
                      2. Kaa
                        Kaa 4 May 2013 15: 44 New
                        +4
                        Quote: svp67
                        especially since I heard how much they cloned our S-300 there ...
                        And ten years ago, Ukraine planted cruise missiles, and they also cloned them: "Prosecutor General of Ukraine Svyatoslav Piskun said that in 2001 18 X-55 cruise missiles, also known as AS-15, were sold. None of the exported missiles did not include the warheads for the transportation of which such missiles are intended, notes The Financial Times (translated by Inopressa.ru).
                        The range of the X-55 is 3 thousand kilometers. This is enough for Japan to end up in the missile strike zone of China, and Israel becomes accessible for Iranian missiles.http://www.jig.ru/europa/063.html
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 4 May 2013 16: 04 New
                    +4
                    Quote: svp67
                    Agree, their transport network is developed ...

                    Everything is easy to look on the map!
                    Have you been to those areas?
                    I was, saw and have a little idea !!
                    And why do you think the Terek army still hasn’t turned the shepherds with machine guns into dust?
                    There are thousands of paths, tens of thousands!
                    Army and military equipment is very difficult to advance there !!
                    If you remember, the Turkish army invaded sowing Iraq to finally defeat the PKK bases in the vicinity of Mount Kandil !!
                    They bombed everything that was possible there, but the majority scattered to other places !!!
                2. Beck
                  Beck 4 May 2013 14: 57 New
                  -7
                  I once wrote. I repeat.

                  The USSR left Russia a great influence in the Middle East. Yes, it was ostentatious on the part of the Arabs, for the sake of arms and money, dictators and their ruling juntas called a socialist orientation, for example, Baath - the party of the Arab socialist revival. The Communists of the USSR are in goodness and sent everything that they just won’t ask. But for any Russia, a great influence on BV remained.

                  For more than 10 years, the Kremlin has managed to lose all this influence ineptly. And only, as already mentioned here, because of the concepts - A man said, a man did. But international politics is not done according to peasant concepts. It is being done in the interests of the country.

                  Supporting to the end, as if a personal friend, the odious, bloody dictators of Hussein, Kadaffi in some part of Mubarak, the Kremlin lost at least any Russian influence in the Middle East region. A politician who pleases for the interests of the country should know at what point to get off the derailed train. So no, along with dictators, Russia's policy leaves the region.

                  Assad is a clear example. It has long been clear that his days are numbered, and the Kremlin is in its own way. Sooner or later Assad will leave or he will leave. And with what will Russia remain in BV? And with nothing. With a fig in your pocket, instead of returning at least some part of the debts, internal disappointment, the lack of the possibility of concluding, in the future, at least some commercial projects and complete political devastation in the region. And it is not known whether the next 50 years will be enough for Russia to restore at least some of its influence in the region.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 4 May 2013 15: 47 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Beck
                    And it is not known whether the next 50 years will be enough for Russia to restore at least some of its influence in the region.

                    It is even more unknown whether this region will exist for such a time ... But if it wants to exist, it will ask for Russian help, and will agree to any influence.
              2. atalef
                atalef 4 May 2013 10: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                Oh oh Iran has long worked very fruitfully with the Kurds, so what prevents them from renewing such cooperation?

                I do not want to disappoint you, but Israel worked even more fruitfully with the Kurds. I personally know one of the Mossadites who has been in Iraqi Kurdistan for more than 15 years and he talked about Israel’s ties with the Kurds.
                Anyway, your idea is nonsense. Iran is an outcast in Arab society, at least because of Shiism, or because the Iranians are not Arabs. In addition to Syria, he has no one to rely on BV (Lebanon doesn’t count - this is not a state). Therefore, neither he’s crawling nor crawling, nor scooters, either to the Golan or to Syria, to crawl him. Crush on the road.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 4 May 2013 10: 30 New
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  I don't want to disappoint you

                  I don’t want to disappoint you even more, but many special services “worked” there, including our KGB
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 May 2013 12: 08 New
                    +4
                    Quote: svp67
                    I don’t want to disappoint you even more, but many special services “worked” there, including our KGB

                    Yes to health. The results are just not visible.
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 4 May 2013 20: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  I do not want to disappoint you, but Israel worked even more fruitfully with the Kurds. I personally know one of the Mossadites who has been in Iraqi Kurdistan for more than 15 years and he talked about Israel’s ties with the Kurds.

                  This was described in detail by the Turkish media!
                  The fact that the Kurdish * Peshmerge * is taught by Israeli instructors is not a secret for anyone!
                  Many analysts associated the activity of Kurdish separatists in Turkey with the deterioration of relations between Israel and Turkey!
                  1. Rioter
                    5 May 2013 14: 12 New
                    0
                    Controversially Alibek. Well, how do you imagine this? Ah, we quarreled with Turkey and that's it, let's train and arm Kurdish terrorists? Israeli politics is not authoritarian. There are many groups of influence. Remember our conversation about the Nnitanhu hysteria, that Israel will conclude an alliance with Armenia and arm, and blah blah ... But influential groups of the Azerbaijani lobby quickly "substantiated" their vision of the problem. So it is with Turkey. Despite the political chill, working very close contacts between the intelligence community and the generals of Turkey and Israel did not stop for a minute! And it was clear from the very beginning that this whole story with the flotilla, this is Turkey's entry, its test balloon to new horizons in the Arab world. Turkey has achieved some of its goals. Part no. But what to say about the normalization of relations with Israel had to be clear from the very beginning. Now that Israel is developing and discovering gas fields, the need for close cooperation with Turkey is even more obvious. Because the cheapest way to transit gas to consumers is the Turkish gas transportation network. This is the interest of both Turkey and Israel. It was obvious that one had to put up. It was important for Turkey to save face. And for a long time they played "watching" with Israel. Israel broke down first. Tolley because he needs it more, or because he decided that it was stupid and "blinked" first. He apologized, ordered payments. Although at many israforums, the narrow-minded shout in the spirit of "**** Turks! All **** and stuff like that." But the leadership (and most Israelis, by all accounts) decided that pride is good and happiness is better. And it is necessary to reconcile with Turkey, on the conditions that Turkey puts forward.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 5 May 2013 14: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rioter
                      Well, how do you imagine this? Ah quarreled with Turkey and that’s all, let's train and equip Kurdish terrorists?

                      I didn’t mean it !!
                      this is not my opinion, some experts in Turkey expressed such an idea!
                      I am of the opinion that Israel certainly has connections with Kurdish groups, but they are of a different nature!
                      I suppose that by training the Kurds and having swazi (old) with them, I try to make the Kurds a force that will distract the Arabs from Israel!
                      Quote: Rioter
                      So it is with Turkey. Despite the political chill, the workers very close contacts between the intelligence community and the generals of Turkey and Israel did not stop even for a minute!

                      it is unconditional !!
                      There I am sure of communication at such a level that I probably can’t imagine!
                      Quote: Rioter
                      And it was clear from the very beginning that this whole story with the flotilla was Turkey’s entry, its pilot balloon to new horizons in the Arab world

                      The trouble is that Erdogan is a US project and he has a certain role in these games!
                      That is why the military could not do anything to him and endured and are suffering him!
                      And Israel would not apologize if not for the pressure and very important plans for the future would not exist !!
                      Otherwise, I agree with you!
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                Oh oh Iran has long worked very fruitfully with the Kurds, so what prevents them from renewing such cooperation?

                Really?))))
                It represented PJK fruitfully worked?)))))))))
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 4 May 2013 21: 22 New
              0
              I take off my hat, a good article, I myself wanted to write on the same topic.)
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 4 May 2013 10: 13 New
          +2
          .First of all, where does the information come from that "Israel bought the airfields in Azerbaijan?" There were modernizations, but in the interests of the Azerbaijani Air Force. The author correctly noted that Azerbaijan will not get involved in a fight. Even passively. Coalitions will come and go, and Azerbaijan and Iran will remain neighbors. Secondly, Turkey will not fight either. Maybe (although this is very unlikely) at some stage it will provide a corridor for the coalition's aviation, but unambiguously calculating 100 moves in advance. And about the "friendship of monarchies and Israel" is also loudly said. Monarchies annually allocate billions to support refugees.
          1. Rioter
            4 May 2013 10: 16 New
            0
            Iran in the form in which we know it today may not become. Some of the territories after such a massive blow can become independent, and not only South Azerbaijan.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: xetai9977
              .First of all, where does the information come from that "Israel bought the airfields in Azerbaijan?" Modernizations, yes there were,

              Quote: Rioter
              Iran in the form in which we know it today may not become. Some of the territories after such a massive blow can become independent, and not only South Azerbaijan.

              Yes, I would really like to know about what three military airfields are we talking about ??
              Almost all military airfields in Azerbaijan were modernized according to NATO standards several years ago !! Azerbaijan had enough funds for this and is !!
              In principle, your article as an analysis is written interestingly, but there are inaccuracies that affect the final conclusion!
              As for the fact that Iran is possible to change, it is more than likely if its opponents decide to start a war !!
              I assume that the goal of Iran’s opponents is to introduce chaos in the country!
              I suggest that after a rout from the air they can create no-fly zones and arm enemy groups!
              In South Azerbaijan, people are politically very active and, given their compact living, they can be involved in it! Also, Kurds in another part of the country and, finally, the well-known mujahideen-e halgh group !!
              1. Rioter
                5 May 2013 14: 25 New
                +1
                The Washington Post previously wrote about airfields. And I wrote about it, although doubts gnaw at me as well. On the one hand, perhaps Israel needs a reliable base with its own infrastructure, and not a NATO standard. But in general, the very fact of the acquisition can break down on the question: "Why?" If Azerbaijan supports the strike, then all the airfields and the entire infrastructure of the Azerbaijani Air Force will be at Israel's disposal. If he decides to refuse, then no matter how many airfields you own, not a single plane will take off without the permission of the country's official authorities. But there is also an opinion that at some airfields Israel simply helped Azerbaijan to build objects sharpened for servicing Israeli weapons systems adopted by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, as well as in the interests of Israeli-Azerbaijani military cooperation. Azerbaijan has launched on its territory a large number of state-of-the-art factories producing advanced defense products, including quite a few products developed in Israel and / or developed jointly with Israeli defense concerns.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 5 May 2013 14: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rioter
                  In particular, the Washington Post previously wrote about airfields. And I wrote about it, although doubts also gnaw at me.

                  I'm sure this was a special disa !!
                  If necessary, they will provide Israel or another friendly State and all military airfields for free !!
                  But you must agree that this should be in line with state and national interests !!
                  What interest is it to give Israel airdromes when, in my opinion, Israel does not need them !!
                  Quote: Rioter
                  If Azerbaijan supports the strike, then all the airfields and the entire infrastructure of the Azerbaijani Air Force will be at the disposal of Israel

                  Here I am about it !!
                  But by doing this in advance and divulging it, putting yourself at a disadvantage from * not a friend * will turn into an enemy !!
                  Quote: Rioter
                  But there is also an opinion that at some airfields, Israel simply helped Azerbaijan build facilities tailored for servicing Israeli weapons systems adopted by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, as well as in the interests of the Israeli-Azerbaijani military cooperation.

                  this is also likely you're right!
                  1. Rioter
                    5 May 2013 14: 58 New
                    +1
                    Thanks for the clarification. I actually sketched the article rather carelessly, and then wanted to edit and exclude some controversial points, wrote to the admins, but either they missed my letter with a request to edit, or they decided "and so it will do." And it looks like misinformation, because there is no main motive "WHY?"
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 5 May 2013 15: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rioter
                      wrote to the admins, but either they missed my letter with a request to edit, or they decided "and so it will do

                      I think this is not important now!
                      No one can say that everything he wrote is 100 percent infa!
                      You wrote what many media write about, their opinion!
                      The main thing is that we have the opportunity to discuss and exchange views on this matter!
                      Are you a journalist?
                      Your previous nickname says that you are familiar with this profession quite well!
                    2. Rioter
                      5 May 2013 16: 21 New
                      +1
                      Well, in principle, yes, of course, for a simple discussion, it was enough just to indicate the topic and the general outline. I used to write about economics. But now I am doing documentary films. I also worked in sociodynamics, but now I have moved away from "naked science", and I would like to implement several projects in the field of conjugation of science and doc / research cinema. The topic under discussion is not directly related to the subject of my work. Interest is greater simply by inertia, interesting for yourself.
                    3. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 5 May 2013 18: 34 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rioter
                      The topic under discussion is not directly related to the subject of my work.

                      I understand it!
                      Just Hunter Thompson was a legendary personality in journalism!
                      Thought for good reason you are so named!
        3. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 57 New
          +2
          do not forget about the Kurds !!! at the first strike and with the promise of independence, the Kurds and Azeibarjans will lose almost a third of the territory from the Persians, and this is for Iran a second front in the mountains, in which he will not be a winner.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 4 May 2013 10: 20 New
        +3
        But in any case, Iran will not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. This is not beneficial to anyone. Iran manages to pursue such a foreign policy that it has no good relations with any of its neighbors.
        1. Rioter
          4 May 2013 10: 23 New
          +1
          It’s for sure, they all messed up with everything so that they can get an oar on the head from all sides at once. :) Azerbaijan is IMHO too cautious. And it can LIMITEDLY get involved only within the framework of a large coalition and only with limited goals in South Azerbaijan. Aliyev is still a fox, he just won’t poke his face into the fire.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 4 May 2013 14: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Rioter
            It’s for sure, they all messed up with everything so that they can get an oar on the head from all sides at once. :) Azerbaijan is IMHO too cautious. And it can LIMITEDLY get involved only within the framework of a large coalition and only with limited goals in South Azerbaijan. Aliyev is still a fox, he just won’t poke his face into the fire

            Azerbaijan can only get involved if militia units are established in South Azerbaijan that will fight with Iranian forces, the coalition will only bomb military facilities in the north of Iran so as not to anger the civilian population of Azerbaijanis, and Azerbaijan, in turn, will provide humanitarian assistance, covering militias, in short to fulfill the whole role that Turkey is currently playing in relation to militias in Syria.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 11 New
              +4
              Quote: Yeraz
              Azerbaijan can only get involved if militia units are established in South Azerbaijan that will fight with Iranian forces, the coalition will only bomb military facilities in the north of Iran so as not to anger the civilian population of Azerbaijanis, and Azerbaijan, in turn, will provide humanitarian assistance, covering militias, in short to fulfill the whole role that Turkey is currently playing in relation to militias in Syria.

              I agree with you !!!
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 4 May 2013 18: 18 New
              +4
              ALLAH agzindan eshitsin! The most likely scenario.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 May 2013 20: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Rioter
            :) Azerbaijan is IMHO too cautious.

            Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev received on May 4 former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
            http://vesti.az/news/157316
        2. svp67
          svp67 4 May 2013 10: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          This is not beneficial to anyone. Iran manages to pursue such a foreign policy that it has no good relations with any of its neighbors.
          This is beneficial to Iran itself, and for the sake of this, it may make some concessions. But do not forget about the existence of a number of countries like Iran ...
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 14 New
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            This is beneficial to Iran itself, and for the sake of this, it may make some concessions. But do not forget about the existence of a number of countries like Iran ...

            After they destroyed the USSR, they took up the Islamic world as not fitting into the concept of world governance that the godless in the world want to create !!
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 4 May 2013 10: 25 New
      +4
      I completely agree. This will not be a long war. The allies (that it will be a coalition, no doubt) will try to send Iran to the knockdown with the first blow, if not knockout.
      1. Rioter
        4 May 2013 10: 31 New
        +2
        And the coalition has abundant forces for this.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Rioter
          And the coalition has abundant forces for this.

          That's right !! trying to be brave!

          they’ll come up with * a rocket *, then * a superplane *)))
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 4 May 2013 14: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        I completely agree. This will not be a long war. The allies (that it will be a coalition, no doubt) will try to send Iran to the knockdown with the first blow, if not knockout

        But before this blow, shattering the situation in the regions where national minorities live and the entry of Western troops will be regarded as liberation and the drastic attraction of non-Persians to their side will greatly facilitate the operation. An example of Iraq, where the help of the Kurds helped the Amers, did not really bother in the north of Iraq , and concentrate on more dangerous areas.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 4 May 2013 15: 37 New
          +3
          Most likely it will!
  • elmi
    elmi 4 May 2013 13: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    And if the Iranians begin to blockade the Persian Gulf, intensify the activities of supported groups and agents, and begin to break through a corridor to the Golan Heights? Don't you think that this is possible and the matter may not be limited only to an air operation? And one more thing. Turkey is a NATO member. "Disarmament "Iran from Turkish airfields is no longer a regional conflict, but something more ..

    Yes, it smacks of the world’s 3, and in the case of Israel’s war against Iran, the militants who are fighting against B. Assad will redirect trunks to the Israelis. Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt may turn on against the Israelis as it used to be. And Russia will certainly supply assistance to Iran that will be right. So the mess promises to be big.
    1. Rioter
      5 May 2013 14: 43 New
      0
      The FSA militants are a creature of the Arabians. And in the event of a war between Israel and Iran, they will receive money, funds and directives to increase pressure on Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon in order to provide Israel with security in the rear and give Israel a "green wave" for attacks on Iran. Don't live myths, take a sober look. The Arabians will do anything to bring down Iran. And the SSA are their tame zombies. sometimes individual zombies lose their bearings and start shooting in the wrong places and at the wrong ones, but this does not change the fact that the whole system acts as it should in the given strategic directions.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 4 May 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Rioter
    Israeli satellites do not just fly against the rotation of the earth

    Otherwise, since they are all, they cannot start. Unless from other cosmodromes only. Otherwise, the remnants of missiles on foreign territories will fall, but you know, you have to pay for it !!!
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 09: 07 New
      +2
      The version is good, and I know about it, but count the costs of satellite output against the rotation of the earth and the imaginary fee for a step that fell in the desert in Jordan, with which it is a working relationship.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 4 May 2013 09: 14 New
        +2
        This is not done intentionally, but out of need. There would be an opportunity, they would do like everyone else. But she's not there. It is for this reason that Israel was actively negotiating the use of Baikonur before and after the withdrawal of Russian specialists from there. It is for this reason that Israel discussed the possibility of using the Svobodny cosmodrome. Not everything is as simple as it seems. It is not for nothing that Israel restricts launches from its territory.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Hedgehog
          This is not done intentionally, but out of need. There would be an opportunity, they would do like everyone else. But she's not there. It is for this reason that Israel was actively negotiating the use of Baikonur before and after the withdrawal of Russian specialists from there. It is for this reason that Israel discussed the possibility of using the Svobodny cosmodrome. Not everything is as simple as it seems. It is not for nothing that Israel restricts launches from its territory.


          I completely agree!!
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 51 New
          0
          And here it’s absolutely true.
        3. Rioter
          5 May 2013 14: 49 New
          0
          Light satellites are launched from the "Palmachim" cosmodrome, light carriers. Baikonur is a completely different league and completely different masses. Israel cannot withdraw those carriers that are withdrawn from Baikanur from its territory for obvious reason. And those that lead could lead to the east, to Jordan. In the south, an uninhabited desert. There are no threats to the population. Israel's relations with Jordan are much better than those of Russia and Ukraine.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 51 New
        0
        Working relationships don't mean friendships
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 50 New
      -1
      The point is not to pay, the point is that technology may fall into the wrong hands.
      1. Rioter
        5 May 2013 14: 54 New
        0
        What kind of technology? Missing stage rocket into the hands of Jordanian intelligence? And in the event of an unsuccessful launch, can you imagine what remains of the filling and what technologies can be gleaned there?
  • svp67
    svp67 4 May 2013 09: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Rioter
    The guidance systems of these missiles are full of seams. This time, and two - only those missiles will be launched that will launch in the first half hour. And after half an hour, all these rockets on earth burn with a blue flame. Not to mention that the safety of those missiles that are already at launch positions is a big question.
    Yes, yes, especially the "hunt for SCUDs" in the Persian Gulf is a sad example of this ... How they did not track them down, how they did not "extinguish", but the whole war "shook" from the threat.
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 09: 16 New
      0
      It’s like twenty years have passed if you were just unfrozen :) Technologies have stepped forward so that you will be amazed. Since 91, people have invented so many cool things. Browse the Internet. By the way, during the invasion in 2003, tell me how many Iraqi missiles fell on Israel? "0" seems if memory serves me correctly.
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 May 2013 10: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Rioter
        It’s like twenty years have passed if you were just unfrozen :) Technologies have stepped forward so that you will be amazed. Since 91, people have invented so many cool things. Browse the Internet. By the way, during the invasion in 2003, tell me how many Iraqi missiles fell on Israel? "0" seems if memory serves me correctly.
        You are right, time has passed a lot and during this time the engineers of the DPRK and Iran created new missiles that can fly further and more accurately, or do you think that time works only on one side?

        ... according to the Israeli side, two-thirds of the launched missiles fell in uninhabited territory, 2 people became victims of rocket attacks in Israel, and another 11 were seriously injured. Only one attack had a significant result - the rocket hit the American barracks in the city of Dharam, as a result of which 28 American soldiers died and two hundred more were injured.
        1. Rioter
          4 May 2013 10: 03 New
          0
          alas yes. the second side under severe sanctions is degrading. Iran is trying to tremble, but to be honest, all the power (in the material and technical sense, not spiritually patriotic) is the heritage of the Shah. (at least in the field of the atom, and the air force)
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 31 New
            +8
            Quote: Rioter
            alas yes. the second side under severe sanctions is degrading. Iran is trying to tremble, but to be honest, all the power (in the material and technical sense, not spiritually patriotic) is the heritage of the Shah. (at least in the field of the atom, and the air force)

            But you honestly in Israel underestimate or are unaware of the scientific and technological successes in Iran !!
            If it weren’t for the blockades and embargoes, they would have been much ahead in military-technical terms!
            In many fields of science, progress is huge in Iran !! Unlike other * Islamic * states in Iran, science has been encouraged and encouraged!
            This is inherent in the idea of ​​Ahly Beit supporters!
            Starting from the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Imam Ali who supported the teachings and knowledge, by the way, Ali was not only an invincible warrior, but also a scientist with whom no one could compare at one time, ending with imams who were prominent scientists of their time!
            Everyone knows the hadith of the prophet that the scholars above are even martyrs!
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 May 2013 10: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, yes, especially the "hunt for SCUDs" in the Persian Gulf is a sad example of this ... How they did not track them down, how they did not "extinguish", but the whole war "shook" from the threat.

      Scud is not a threat from a military point of view. the probability of him hitting the target is very close to zero (deviation from the target is (- +) kilometer. And they hunted just because of unpredictability. After all, he could easily get into town.
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 May 2013 10: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        Scud is not a threat from a military point of view. the probability of him hitting the target is very close to zero (deviation from the target is (- +) kilometer. And they hunted just because of unpredictability. After all, he could easily get into town.

        That is, the diversion of a large part of the air defense forces and the re-targeting of special forces groups is not a "military" result? In addition, one Patriot launch cost three times more than a SCUD launch, and this is already an economic aspect ...
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 4 May 2013 16: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Kaa
    Too lightweight for 2013, the statement: "currently Iran has missiles with a firing range of up to 2-2,3 thousand km and a real potential to increase it to intercontinental (6 thousand km)

    I do not agree with you!
    You overestimate the possibilities of Iran!
    They misinterpret a lot!
  • Varog
    Varog 4 May 2013 08: 16 New
    +2
    On Saturday and Sunday, Israeli Air Force aircraft launched a series of attacks on military targets in Syria. According to American aircraft sources, 16. were involved. Before heading to the points where the chemical weapons were supposedly stored, the aircraft circled the presidential complex in Damascus.

    http://www.debka.com/
    1. Varog
      Varog 4 May 2013 08: 39 New
      0
      I'm sorry, this is about Friday May 3 and Saturday May 4
      1. Rioter
        4 May 2013 08: 49 New
        +3
        And against this background:


        The leader of the Islamist Hamas in the Gaza Strip on Friday rejected the revised Middle East peace plan put forward by the League of Arab States, saying that outsiders cannot decide the fate of the Palestinians.

        Recall that during a meeting this week in Washington, the Arab states agreed to soften the 2002 peace plan, recognizing that Israelis and Palestinians might be able to make land concessions and land exchange for the sake of a peace agreement.


        But the Arabs for 1000 years did not care about the Palestinians, they do not care about the Palestinians now. Wanted - married, want to - divorced.
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 May 2013 10: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: Rioter
          The leader of the Islamist Hamas in the Gaza Strip on Friday rejected the revised Middle East peace plan put forward by the League of Arab States, saying that outsiders cannot decide the fate of the Palestinians.

          I like his announcements. Mashal (the general secretary of Hamas) sits in Qatar (after escaping from Assad) and all the grandmothers are from there. On the eve of the re-election (there is such a thing in Hamas), there were stubborn rumors in Gaza that Mashal would be removed and Haniya would take over. Like he (Mashal) hangs out in the rear, Hamas is Gaza, we must have power and rule in Hamas from Gaza.
          Everything was beautiful until the Emir of Qatar looked at Hamas with his formidable eye and everything immediately fell into place. Mashal re-elected and Chania in the same line behind him laughing and on all fours.
          The LAS will decide that the Palestinians will not go anywhere, just stop feeding them, that the States, Europe and Lag will go around the world in a month.
          They are so used to these handouts to live and plunder that they completely forgot how to work.
          We (my company where I work) Begins to build a substation in the Jenin area. The first time Europe (90 million euros) allocated Palestinians to this substation in 2001, they plundered it completely. The second time 115 million - in 2007 - the same no attendants or subseries. Now Europe has paid 137 million directly to the Israeli Electric Company, and believe me, it will be built in a year. Palestinians are not allowed to enter the construction site and will be transferred to them on a turn-key basis. Although I am afraid of being plundered. Copper there is the sea, computers, and various valuable junk.
          Palestinians are like prostitutes. who pays more. he and the young lady dancing.
          1. Rioter
            4 May 2013 10: 30 New
            +3
            I dare to clarify that when Qatar announced its plans to invest 1 in Gaza (two packages of 000 lamas each), the Palestinians began rubbing their hands, but the emir said that the money for targeted projects to be built on a turnkey basis is the same. And none of the Palestinians will come close to the construction site. For the Emir is not Europe, and at first glance he remembers who he is dealing with. It is only after the third "kidka" that it reaches Europe that they are being bred. Emir is a "serious" dude :)
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 34 New
              +6
              Quote: Rioter
              I dare to clarify that when Qatar announced its plans to invest 1 in Gaza (two packages of 000 lamas each), the Palestinians began rubbing their hands, but the emir said that the money for targeted projects to be built on a turnkey basis is the same. And none of the Palestinians will come close to the construction site. For the Emir is not Europe, and at first glance he remembers who he is dealing with. It is only after the third "kidka" that it reaches Europe that they are being bred. Emir is a "serious" dude :)

              I did not understand those who are minus !!
              They have a connection that the emir of Qatar will just give a billion, or the commentator’s flag is shattering ??
      2. atalef
        atalef 4 May 2013 09: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: Varog
        I'm sorry, this is about Friday May 3 and Saturday May 4

        It looks like tonight. The planes flew, but on the Sabbath they just do not fly. Therefore, I have a suspicion that again the bomb is zero or Syria or Lebanon (less likely). Well, if this is Syria, then Assad has another opportunity to "respond with all the power" to Israel. did not have time last time, now he can arrange a promotion or two for the price of one laughing
        By the way, today we’re going to go to Azov, the day really began with fog, but the orchestra will play and they will probably let the ship go. If everything goes well, I’ll publish the pictures. All on Saturday
        1. Rioter
          4 May 2013 09: 26 New
          +3
          Eh, and while I silently envy you. :) Although here in St. Petersburg today the weather is excellent. But least, you know, not Mediterranean at all :)
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 May 2013 10: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Rioter
            Eh, and while I silently envy you. :) Although here in St. Petersburg today the weather is excellent. But least, you know, not Mediterranean at all :)

            I arrive in St. Petersburg on July 12.07 (I generally lived on Zagorodnoye), and before that in Volkhov (2 hours from Moscow). So that we envy each other and it pleases. Sincerely . hi
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          It looks like tonight. The planes flew, but on the Sabbath they just do not fly. Therefore, I have a suspicion that again the bomb is zero or Syria or Lebanon (less likely). Well, if this is Syria, then Assad has another opportunity to "respond with all the power" to Israel. did not have time last time, now he can arrange a promotion or two for the price of one

          Well, I assume that he will give the last Chinese warning to the aggressor)))
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 5 May 2013 00: 52 New
      -1
      Do not quote Debka. By the amount of slag in the article, this site is ahead of the rest. Rumors and conjectures of their bread
  • VDV 80-82
    VDV 80-82 4 May 2013 08: 23 New
    +2
    GOOD article ... plus! but in reality there are other options for the development of events ... and it is unlikely that the Jews alone ... without the direct participation of the striped ... decide to bomb the Persians! for the consequences will be unpredictable for them!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2013 08: 24 New
    -2
    It's time to arm Iran. With the condition of a complete cleaning of the peninsula from the emirates associated with the Cathars.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 4 May 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    However, Israel bought and put in order three airfields in Azerbaijan, directly near the Iranian border.
    I wonder where such information comes from. I doubt very much that Azerbaijan will support aggression.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Hedgehog
      I wonder where such information comes from. I doubt very much that Azerbaijan will support aggression.

      The question is different: why should Azerbaijan sell military airfields to Israel?
      There is no need for money, and a few years ago Azerbaijan completely modernized all military airfields !!
  • atalef
    atalef 4 May 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    The article is an unambiguous plus. Many people think that BV is politics like in Europe. Nothing of the kind, the east is delicate and saying one thing and doing the other implies a third is in the order of things. The Saudis, Qatar are pretty close unwritten allies of Israel, so don't believe different Commentators like Shevchenko or Prokhanov . They absolutely do not understand the realities. There are no parties scattered in the fool, and solitaire for years.
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 4 May 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    To top it off, I will mention the recent reconciliation of Kurds and Turks.
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 09: 37 New
      +5
      The reconciliation of the Turks and Israel, a visit to Gaza by the emir of Qatar, the friendly voyage of Israeli generals to Cairo, the hard line of Mursi (Mursi - Muslim Brotherhood - Qatar) in relation to Hamas. A new LAS reconciliation initiative, outraged by Chania (Hamas), but no one is asking him. When big boys play big games, there is no place at the table for the Palestinians with their small-town attacks. their number is 17. You can go on for a long time. But it should be noted that somehow everything started spinning all at once, everyone began to put up, and forget about yesterday’s disagreements. The speed with which the processes began to occur is surprising.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 May 2013 10: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Rioter
        The speed with which the processes began to occur is surprising.

        As Iran moves toward nuclear weapons, the Arabs understand that only Iran can disturb their peace. And Iran with nuclear weapons will lead their countries into an unnecessary nuclear arms race. Everyone thinks. that Syria is spread rot because of the Arab spring or the fact that Assad is neither a democrat (the same to me, as if there was ever democracy in BV - and will not be in these countries). Having broken the Syria-Iran axis (Hezbollah will collapse or wring its tail one week after the fall of Assad) Iran will remain alone and everyone hopes. that will temper his ardor with nuclear weapons. because in general, no one wants a war and this (Syria) is one of the last ways to calm Iran peacefully. because when Iran is approaching I, O, war will be for sure. None of the gulf countries can compare with nuclear Iran in the first place. Who will win the war is understandable. There will be no horseradish left from Iran, they won’t even seize it - they will introduce it by bombing in the Stone Age, and the oil embargo will complete the deal.
        Of course, the Gulf countries will also suffer, and maybe it will even reach Israel - but the final is one - Iran is a pipee.
        He still does not understand the message with Syria (although I think it’s just going to vabank) because in any case, Syria is lost for him and all the politics and money that he invested in the BV flew by.
        Iran, like that crocodile, tried to capture a piece of this size. that he can’t swallow, but he can’t spit it out. So he will die with this piece in his mouth.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 11: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          and this (Syria) is one of the last ways to calm Iran peacefully.
          I just returned from a news site where I read about the massacre in the Alavite village, and here you are. I understand that you are a smart person, but think about what you write. Or do you think so?
          1. Rioter
            4 May 2013 11: 21 New
            +2
            Salafis - a terrible tribe of Nicromongers doing terrible things. But do not demand from Israelis living in the north and years of terrorized by Hezbollah with the support of a friend of Assad excessive condemnation. Salafis are evil, but today they are cutting a vile enemy, so that chips fly. If Hezbollah’s troops broke into Israel, they would have slaughtered the peaceful Israelis no worse. Which has been demonstrated many times. Simple people feel sorry. In Samali, 500 died of starvation this year. Half a million from hunger, look into your bin. Surely three aircraft can feed. I try not to think about such things by sending stale products to the trash. Life is so complicated and everything is so ambiguous, confusing and incomprehensible at times. It seems that they are also struggling with the hated regime, but the funds are shocked.
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 May 2013 11: 34 New
              +5
              Quote: Rioter
              In Samali, 500 died of starvation this year. Half a million from hunger, look into your bin. Surely three aircraft can feed. I try not to think about such things by sending stale products to the trash. Life is so complicated and everything is so ambiguous, confusing and incomprehensible at times. It seems that they are also struggling with the hated regime, but the funds are shocked.

              But who remembers about them (Somaliyyev), everyone will be killed in connection with the * humanitarian disaster * in Gaza, but they will not remember about those dying of starvation 1500 km away. But in Somalia and Ethiopia, people really revel in the fact that they have nothing to eat. Hypocrites.
              Gaza market, there is something to envy laughing
              1. Ram chandra
                Ram chandra 4 May 2013 12: 18 New
                -3
                They die because they are dumb. It's all.
          2. atalef
            atalef 4 May 2013 11: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            I just returned from a news site where I read about the massacre in the Alavite village, and here you are. I understand that you are a smart person, but think about what you write. Or do you think so?

            Compared to a full-scale war with Iran, this is peaceful. Syria in this game is a bargaining chip - nothing more.
            It reminds me of Poland in 1939. (Molotov-Ribentrop Pact) when it was slammed. Now the imperial interests of the Gulf countries and Iran have converged in Syria. Iran is no less guilty of the situation in Syria than others and Syria is suffering for Iran (more precisely, for its desire for hegemony in the Islamic world and the export of the Islamic revolution).
            Of course, it’s a pity for people, but look deeper, compared to the full-scale war on the BV — what is happening in Syria is peaceful. If Assad persists - a full-scale war with Iran cannot be avoided, if it falls - there are options.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 4 May 2013 20: 43 New
          +1
          Don't underestimate Hezbollah. This is a strong structure with independent sources of financing.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Rioter
        The speed with which the processes began to occur is surprising.

        But it doesn’t surprise me!
        Those forces that want to change the political face of the world appear to be businessmen !!
        If something does not fit the deadline, they move it, for the sake of the main goal !!
        Too much is at stake, but time is running out!
  • Metlik
    Metlik 4 May 2013 09: 55 New
    +3
    Iran is a sovereign, and more importantly, truly democratic state. Unlike Western plutocracy, where everything is decided by money. How will Israel justify its aggression? The presence of nuclear weapons? Funny, Israel itself illegally owns nuclear weapons.
    An attack on Iran will enable any country to provide assistance to Iran against aggressors, which means Chinese money and Russian weapons. Plus, the Iranian population is morally prepared for a long and stubborn struggle.
    America was once burned in Vietnam, deciding that superiority in weapons is everything. Israel may repeat this mistake.
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 10: 08 New
      -1
      Yes, yes, the Chinese will throw all their money into the cauldron of the Iranian revolution. And Russia, will send you as a consolation to Ayatole. Iran, of course, is a very democratic country compared to the DPRK:) Next time, on the Wogon and a small cart of internal contradictions of Iran. But everything inside is not smooth.
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      2. Metlik
        Metlik 4 May 2013 10: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Rioter
        Yes, yes, the Chinese will throw all their money into the cauldron of the Iranian revolution. And Russia, will send you as a consolation to Ayatole. Iran, of course, is a very democratic country compared to the DPRK:) Next time, on the Wogon and a small cart of internal contradictions of Iran. But everything inside is not smooth.

        The Chinese are not stupid, they understand well that it is better to confront the United States in Iran than at its borders.
        Ayatollah (correct spelling in Russian) consolation is not needed, they will need the losers.
        Why compare Iran and North Korea? Compare better democracy in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. Elderly dictators attack the young revolution.
        1. Rioter
          4 May 2013 10: 39 New
          +2
          We are not talking about women's rights. We are about the actual situation. What do you want me to say? Yes, Iran is a lamp of progress and democracy compared to the CA, where a woman cannot have a driver’s license. Everything in the world is relative. Regarding Finland, Iran already looks different. The SA blows up the world with the Salafis, and Iran only threatens to detonate with the atomic bomb. But it is better that neither Iran nor the SA have a bomb. This is another factor why the Iranian bomb is bothering me. Because a bomb in Iran will mean that SA is blood from the nose, it will have a bomb too. But this is the spread of nuclear weapons and the nuclear arms race in the BV, a very unstable and not calm region.
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 4 May 2013 11: 55 New
            +5
            As I understood from the article, the world in Israel is:
            1) Quarrel all the neighbors.
            2) The most unyielding bomb.
            3) Choose a new enemy.

            Repeat steps 1 and 2 as needed.
            1. atalef
              atalef 4 May 2013 12: 01 New
              -3
              Quote: Metlik
              As I understood from the article, the world in Israel is:
              1) Quarrel all the neighbors.
              2) The most unyielding bomb.
              3) Choose a new enemy.

              Strange YOU man. Of the 4 countries with which we border our peace treaty. With Syria (even Assad and k ... l), we had the calmest border, Lebanon has not been twitching since 2006.
              Why do we quarrel them. they themselves, like spiders in a jar, bite each other.
              You understand the situation is ambiguous. on the one hand a booth near the borders, on the other hand, new perspectives are opening up. That's why we

              and who will twitch - we will overtake all.
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 4 May 2013 13: 39 New
                +3
                It is strange that the review of the article is not answered by its author. Is this normal in your opinion? Then I'm weird. Or the comment did not hit the eyebrow but in the eye.
                It’s strange to build relationships with neighbors on the principle of a jerk - soak. Do you want to achieve stability in this way?
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Rioter
            We are not talking about women's rights. We are about the actual situation. What do you want me to say? Yes, Iran is a lamp of progress and democracy compared to the CA, where a woman cannot have a driver’s license. Everything in the world is relative. Regarding Finland, Iran already looks different. The SA blows up the world with the Salafis, and Iran only threatens to detonate with the atomic bomb. But it is better that neither Iran nor the SA have a bomb. This is another factor why the Iranian bomb is bothering me. Because a bomb in Iran will mean that SA is blood from the nose, it will have a bomb too. But this is the spread of nuclear weapons and the nuclear arms race in the BV, a very unstable and not calm region.

            I agree with you, but it is desirable that Israel and other states would not have a bomb either !!
            After all, they allowed North Korea to have a * dirty * atomic bomb !!
            It’s not a bomb that excites everyone in this story, but something else !!
            I mean the countries of the West, not Israel!
            1. Rioter
              5 May 2013 15: 11 New
              0
              Israel stated that as soon as peace treaties were signed with all Arab countries, Israel was ready to discuss this issue. Given the convergence of the positions of the Arab League and Israel, in some future, with the normalization and collective settlement of all differences, this could very well happen. Although you understand, the nuclear weapons of Israel and the nuclear weapons of Iran are two big differences :) Israel does not even confirm the existence. Iran will not so much use nuclear weapons as at the end it will unfasten itself and will blackmail everyone and everything. In this they are masters :)
        2. atalef
          atalef 4 May 2013 11: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: Metlik
          The Chinese are not stupid, they understand well that it is better to confront the United States in Iran than at its borders

          At the same time purchasing billions of dollars of GKO of America. Enough already China to sign under not existing affairs. China and Russia must be confronted (the territory is huge. There are a lot of resources, the border is common) Why the hell should he fight with America - if all his loot is from there?

          Quote: Metlik
          Why compare Iran and North Korea? Compare better democracy in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. Elderly dictators attack young revolution

          Yes, they are all oiled with one oil. Therefore, that Tiran, that Saudi Arabia, that the Emirates-and there will be no democracy. And about democracy in Iran, go to Wiki and see who the supreme ruler of Iran is and how he is elected or re-elected or gets or catches up. laughing
          To me, on the drum, democracy or not, is their business. If only they did not interfere with others.
      3. Metlik
        Metlik 4 May 2013 10: 35 New
        +3
        China with great pleasure will give money to ruin America and its allies.
        Ayatollah's consolations? Is Iran already broken?
        And who are the democracies for you? Saudi Arabia and the Emirates?
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 May 2013 11: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Metlik
          China with great pleasure will give money to ruin America and its allies.

          But damn it is buggy. wassat
        2. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 4 May 2013 20: 48 New
          +1
          dear Metlirk note, if America refuses to import from China such two non-essential and non-critical goods for it group as textiles and consumer electronics, the Chinese economic miracle will end on the second day !!!
          so I think China will most likely look to the north, despite the fact that now in China a powerful propaganda work is underway to return the "primordial Chinese lands" to China.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 4 May 2013 21: 04 New
            +1
            That's right. That is why India is urgently arming itself (having adopted a new military doctrine and including China as its main rival - in addition to Pakistan). That is why Japan is actively arming itself. That is why Vietnam is actively arming and collaborating with a former rival - the United States.
            1. Beck
              Beck 4 May 2013 21: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Scythian 35
              despite the fact that now in China a powerful propaganda work is underway to return the "primordial Chinese lands" to China.


              Interesting thing. The larger the state, the more territorial claims it has on its neighbors. All is not enough.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 38 New
                0
                The issue is the quality of land, resources, redirecting forces and dissatisfaction of residents - etc.
                1. Scythian 35
                  Scythian 35 5 May 2013 22: 13 New
                  0
                  Chinese territories are essentially one big environmental disaster, the Yangtze is essentially a dead river and a large gutter; there are nothing alive in the sea in the Shanghai area for several kilometers. And such dead zones oh how many !!!
          2. Metlik
            Metlik 4 May 2013 21: 32 New
            +3
            China will look at where its business is being infringed - currently in Africa, and at the one who does this, trying to bend under itself all the natural resources of the planet. What are the contradictions between China and Russia? They are not here. Russia can guarantee that the blockade of China will not take place, China will gladly buy our oil, gas, etc.
            Our countries understand this, and the proof is the sale to China of su 35.
            We will not quarrel and wishful thinking will fail.
            As for trade - China is increasingly realizing that there is no point in selling real goods for green candy wrappers - China needs gold, and America is actually bankrupt.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 21: 36 New
              0
              China buys oil from Iran for yuan. So they want to "pinch" hi
            2. Scythian 35
              Scythian 35 5 May 2013 22: 27 New
              0
              China needs natural resources to produce any product with a fake sale to consumers. This country receives no profit from the sale of African oil, but from its refining and production of products !!!!!!!!!!! And the main buyer of Chinese products is North America. And let China buy, seize, take away all the oil fields in Africa, if the United States does not buy the final product, then this oil is useful to the Chinese unless for the production of alcohol to swell from grief and from lack of money !!!
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 23: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Scythian 35
                And let China buy, seize, take away all the oil fields in Africa, if the United States does not buy the final product, then this oil is useful to the Chinese unless for the production of alcohol to swell from grief and from lack of money !!!
                And here is your lecture on political economy? I just reported which currency is used in the calculations between the country with the highest potential and growth rates and may be the last oil producer in the BV, which is trying to implement an independent policy under the conditions of sanctions and severe pressure from the global financial elites.
                Quote: Scythian 35
                the main buyer of China's products is North America
                Really? And I thought South laughing So, the sales market is not a frozen dogma, but a dynamic phenomenon. The United States is too carried away by the project called "Dollar". True, they already have nowhere to go and will defend its insecurity by any means, incl. and the military. (in time, even though the exchange on the Russian-Chinese border, open bully )
              2. Metlik
                Metlik 5 May 2013 23: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Scythian 35
                China needs natural resources to produce any product with a fake sale to consumers. This country receives no profit from the sale of African oil, but from its refining and production of products !!!!!!!!!!! And the main buyer of Chinese products is North America. And let China buy, seize, take away all the oil fields in Africa, if the United States does not buy the final product, then this oil is useful to the Chinese unless for the production of alcohol to swell from grief and from lack of money !!!

                In America, the light has not converged, there are a couple of hundred countries where Chinese goods will be bought. What can America offer in return? She will not want to sell high technologies; American goods are expensive and less quality than European and Japanese. There are green candy wrappers, I already wrote about them, see above.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 44 New
                  0
                  I recommend that you get acquainted with Chinese exports. America is a huge market. Leaving it from China is an economic crisis, a complete undermining of the Chinese economy. That is why the Chinese are so desperate to increase domestic demand.

                  If you think dollars are just green candy wrappers, you don’t understand anything in the economy.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 01: 01 New
                    0
                    China is looking for new markets. Somewhere it finds, but somewhere it simply creates them.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    That is why the Chinese are so desperate to increase domestic demand.
                    rather, systematically.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Do you think dollars are just green candy wrappers
                    Many wonderful things can be bought for this wonderful candy wrapper. It is difficult to deny it. People measure time in minutes, and welfare in dollars. But there are guys who want to carry out trading operations in national currencies. Is it not true: they have no shame, no conscience
                  2. Metlik
                    Metlik 6 May 2013 08: 57 New
                    0
                    The economic crisis is haunting the United States, but not China at all. Remember 2008, when many American bubbles burst. MMM tickets also once cost something, believe and hope.
      4. xetai9977
        xetai9977 4 May 2013 11: 04 New
        +6
        In Iran, it’s absolutely not smooth. Mullahs interfere in absolutely everything from the economy to sports. Astronomical inflation. Most are dissatisfied.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 4 May 2013 11: 29 New
          +1
          I know what I'm saying. I recently returned from Iran, and I know things firsthand. Could tell a lot, but it will be off topic ...
          1. Rioter
            4 May 2013 11: 34 New
            +2
            Maybe a short essay like something at your leisure? I was also in Iran, but that was in 2009. Then much else was different. Economic life was still warm. I think for these 4 difficult years for Iran, much has changed for the worse.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 4 May 2013 15: 51 New
              +3
              Quote: Rioter
              Maybe a short essay like something at your leisure? I was also in Iran, but that was in 2009. Then much else was different. Economic life was still warm. I think for these 4 difficult years for Iran, much has changed for the worse.

              Rauf is right, the economic situation is unenviable, I also visit it almost every year 3-4 times!
              Inflation is really cosmic!
              But trying to get out !!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 39 New
            0
            It would be really interesting
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 May 2013 10: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Metlik
      Funny, Israel itself illegally owns nuclear weapons.

      Illegally, nuclear weapons can be owned if you join the NPT (like Iran, for example) Israel is not a member of the NPT - therefore, there can be no talk of legality or illegality. Israel does not violate any international obligations. Therefore, the sanctions do not fall. In contrast to the same S. Korea or Iran - the countries that joined the NPT and signed the password, they themselves secretly developed nuclear weapons (like Korea) or do not allow IAEA inspectors (what they are obliged to do) in accordance with the obligations assumed by the NPT (countries that have joined to the NPT - the founding countries (Russia, China, the States, England, France) are obliged to provide all the opportunities for the development of a peaceful atom, from the construction of nuclear power plants, the supply of research reactors to student training) All this was received by Korea and Iran - but began to develop secretly military program, for which they came under sanctions.
      Israel did everything itself (although it received a research reactor from France, but that was before the establishment of the NPT) and therefore there is nothing to blame for it. - I did not sign the contract, and therefore did not violate.
      Mizrail conducts all nuclear research only by himself. Nick doesn’t help him. has no right.
      This violates the articles of the NPT signed by these countries (prohibiting assisting, joint research and training of students from non-NPT countries)
      Therefore, if Israel owns nuclear weapons (which it neither confirms nor denies) - it is absolutely legal. because Israel does not violate any law or treaty.
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      2. Metlik
        Metlik 4 May 2013 11: 41 New
        +4
        If everything is legal, then why hide it?
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 May 2013 11: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Metlik
          If everything is legal, then why hide it?

          The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. This time
          Secondly, no fools are sitting here. A statement (official) about the possession of nuclear weapons will give legitimacy to the neighbors to get it the same and this will spur the arms race. Then why does Israel need excessive diplomatic pressure?
          Type fingers fan out and say? Ponte here do not roll.
          If you decide to attack me, you will be equally stopped by rumors that I have a berdank under my bed
          what is my official statement about this. Only by declaring it officially. will give you the legitimacy to buy the same gun, and the authorities have a desire to register it. control or God forbid disarm.
          Therefore, let it remain rumors, it’s easier for us.
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 5 May 2013 09: 53 New
            +1
            Israel’s unwillingness to accede to the non-proliferation treaty, unwillingness to ratify the ban on chemical weapons, Israeli nuclear weapons, which has become the secret of the Open, provoke an arms race many times more, and after reading the article, you understand that Israel is not preparing for defense, but for an attack.
  • Rauf V.
    Rauf V. 4 May 2013 10: 30 New
    +7
    Statya mne ochen ponravilas. Mogu tolko zametit chto Iran ne mozhet napast pervym. Odnim iz stolpov shiizma yavlyaetsya kategoricheskii otkaz ot preventivnyh mer. Mozhno gotovitsya, no pervym napast nelzya. Eto tabu. I ob etom prekrasno znayut iv Izraile iv arabskih monarhiyah.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 May 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Rauf V.
      I really liked the article. I can only notice that Iran cannot attack first. One of the pillars of Shiism is the categorical rejection of preventive measures. You can prepare, but you can’t attack first. This is a taboo. And this is well known both in Israel and in the Arab monarchies.


      http://translit.ru/
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 May 2013 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Rauf V.
      I really liked the article. I can plainly say that Iran cannot attack first. One of the pillars of Shiism is a categorical rejection of preventive measures. You can prepare, but the first misfortune is not. This is a taboo. And they know perfectly well about this in Israel and in the Arab monarchies.



      This is what I helped so that it would be easier to read.
      There is a key (T) transliterates hi
      Use, otherwise it is impossible to read
      1. Rauf V.
        Rauf V. 4 May 2013 11: 58 New
        +2
        Thanks za podskazku. I'm not at home now, so I have to ask myself ...
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  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 May 2013 11: 16 New
    -4
    A couple more points. Firstly, there is no such nationality - Azerbaijani. There are - Persian. And that explains a lot. Secondly, for reasons of self-preservation, we will be obliged to drive Azerbaijan out of the war, and instantly. We have such an opportunity, and, for once, not with our own hands. Well ... not really mine.
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 11: 27 New
      +4
      Have you fallen? Azerbaijanis are Turks. And the Persians are the Persians. Two completely different nationalities. AND
      Quote: Mikhail3
      we will be obliged to knock Azerbaijan out of the war
      Who are "we? Are you from Iran?
    2. ultra
      ultra 4 May 2013 11: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      A couple more points. Firstly, there is no such nationality - Azerbaijani. There are - Persian.

      Everything you dear mixed up! As in the house of Oblonsky! request request request
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 May 2013 12: 06 New
        -1
        CNN reported, citing sources in the US intelligence agencies, that experts are studying secret data today that confirm the Israeli Air Force’s attack on an object in Syria.

        According to other American sources, this is most likely not an arsenal of chemical weapons, but a caravan with weapons for Hezbollah. As the TV channel notes, the target was not attacked from the Syrian airspace.

        The attack allegedly occurred on Friday night. On the eve of the observed increase in the presence of Israeli Air Force aircraft in the sky over Lebanon, as reported by the Cursor.
        Initially, CBS reported that a military warehouse had been attacked. NBC denied this information and reported that the target of the attack was a shipment of weapons for Hezbollah.
        Another indirect confirmation of the attack is the night cabinet meeting of Israel, which was convened by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday evening.


        Probably some hotheads in Syria have decided. that the presence of the BDK (Azov) in Haifa will not allow Israel to bomb another caravan with weapons and thought it would slip through.
        Did not slip laughing
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 4 May 2013 12: 13 New
      +5
      Michael
      DO YOU DETERMINE MY NATIONALITY.? HERE A PERFECT SAMPLE of a flawed level of thinking. Azerbaijanis are one of the pillars of the Turkic ethnic group. 9 million Northern and 30 million Southern Azerbaijanis descended from the moon? How then are you different from the notorious farcical chauvinists? And stop talking threats. This is no longer relevant. We know perfectly well WHO is behind the Armenian aggressors, and WHO is ALLOWING to encourage the aggressor.
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 May 2013 14: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Firstly, there is no such nationality - Azerbaijani. Yes - Pers

      I don’t get myself a Persian !!!! Damn, what the hell out of Persian I don’t understand, but I understand the Türkic languages. And maybe the Persians are Türks)))))
      Well, damn it, when you write something, then write in more detail. If you meant that there is no Azerbaijani nationality, but I have Turks, I would understand, but to say that we are Persians is atas, of course)))
      By the way, there is no state of Azerbaijan either, or I have profiled the moment of joining Persia winked
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 May 2013 03: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        and what a fig I do not understand Persian, but I understand the Türkic languages

        Here you are such a rare Persian wassat
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 4 May 2013 12: 25 New
    +5
    Iran’s countermeasures are quite obvious and do not depend on whether the United States will take part in the aggression or not. Non-participation of the United States only makes Iran easier. These countermeasures:
    1) A massive attack on Israel with the help of OTP filled with chemical and / or bacteriological weapons. It is difficult to intercept the OTP, the distance from Iran to Israel is 930 km (and not 2000 as indicated in the article), the territory of Israel is small, and the population density is large.
    2) Overlapping the Strait of Hormuz. If the US does not participate in the war, it will be easy to do.
    3) A land attack on Iraq with huge oil reserves concentrated in the south of the country. Most of the Iraqi population are Shiites, the army is very weak, the government is also Shiite, so there will be no problems with the capture of Iraq.
    4) The actions of Hezbollah, and possibly Syria against Israel.
    5) If necessary, a ground attack in Afghanistan against NATO forces.
    Conclusion-to reflect all these threats without the United States and the use of nuclear weapons is impossible.
    Accordingly, war without the USA is impossible.
    1. Rioter
      4 May 2013 12: 56 New
      -3
      A) 930 km from the border in the Kermanshah region to the Golan. Limit points. Even planes don’t fly like that, and tanks even more so. Iran has no bacteriological quality. Chemistry is possible. Almost the entire population of Israel has protective equipment + home bomb shelters. And finally, this is the land. After a chemical attack, even with relatively small casualties, Israel will have free hands in front of the world community to simply tear apart Iran, turn this state into territory. Open the hunt for all generals, including in their homes, including sometimes if only the wives with children are at home (moreover, it’s not really intentional, but by mistake of reconnaissance, as it is unfortunate). Even if Ayatollah is asleep, will the military support?
      B) They will block the strait, if they have time. But the fleet will lose all port infrastructure. The bay is unlocked within a few weeks maximum. The fleet is powerless against air strikes and missiles. There is nowhere to hide in the Persian Gulf. In full view.
      C) Invade Iraq and so what? There is a civil war there. They will burn several towers in Iraq. They will be milled from the air at this time. AND?
      D) Hezbollah and Syria must be either dead or blocked by the onslaught of the Salafis. Otherwise, Israel will have to start the company by stripping Hezbollah. With such a beast in the backyard, such cuts do not begin. We remove Hezbollah from the table. Otherwise, you need to start with them.
      D) They will not have time to get to Afghanistan. Such an invasion cannot be carried out in a day, and on the third day there will be no one to invade if all the combined power of Israel and all the Arabian monarchies falls upon Iran. Iran can spoil a lot of blood only if the first delivers a preventive strike in all possible directions. But it maximizes the loss of the coalition, but does not save Iran.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 May 2013 15: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Rioter
        930 km from the border in the Kermanshah region to the Golan. Limit points. Even airplanes don’t fly like that, and tanks

        So I didn’t talk about tanks. I wrote it in a paragraph about missiles. Just from 2000 km you grabbed a little over the edge))
        Quote: Rioter
        After a chemical attack, even with relatively small casualties, Israel will have free hands in front of the world community to simply tear apart Iran, turn this state into territory.

        And how will they "torment" them? (by the way, the casualties will be huge). Only nuclear weapons. But this is a global war. Obama will not give permission to bomb Iran if such situations are possible.
        Quote: Rioter
        B) They will block the strait, if they have time. But the fleet will lose all port infrastructure. The bay is unlocked within a few weeks maximum. The fleet is powerless against air strikes and missiles. There is nowhere to hide in the Persian Gulf. In full view.

        And who can stop them if the United States is not involved? And who will unlock it? Know the swamp tankers from Varshavyanka.
        Quote: Rioter
        C) Invade Iraq and so what? There is a civil war there. They will burn several towers in Iraq. They will be milled from the air at this time. AND?

        We are taking oil from the United States. We are blocking trade. And then how can we get the Iranian army out of there? Only a major ground operation.
        Quote: Rioter
        Hezbollah and Syria must be either dead or blocked by the onslaught of the Salafis. Otherwise, Israel will have to start the company by stripping Hezbollah. With such a beast in the backyard, such cuts do not begin. We remove Hezbollah from the table. Otherwise, you need to start with them.

        Here I agree.
        Quote: Rioter
        if all the combined power of Israel and all the Arabian monarchies falls on Iran

        Remember the war in Yugoslavia. There was all the power of NATO. So what? The losses of the Yugoslav army were very small. And here there are much fewer forces, and much more targets. In the best case, Israel and the monarchies will be able to suppress air defense and bomb the centers of missile production.
    2. atalef
      atalef 4 May 2013 13: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Odyssey
      ) A massive attack on Israel with the help of OTP filled with chemical and / or bacteriological weapons. It is difficult to intercept the OTP, the distance from Iran to Israel is 930 km (and not 2000 as indicated in the article), the territory of Israel is small, and the population density is large.

      Well, first of all. and secondly, after 10 minutes, Iran will receive p ... and moreover complete, unambiguous, irrevocable.

      Quote: Odyssey
      Overlapping the Strait of Hormuz. If the US does not participate in the war, this will be easy.

      The United States to put up with the closure of Hormuz - a young man at you?

      Quote: Odyssey
      ) A land attack on Iraq with huge oil reserves concentrated in the south of the country. Most of the Iraqi population are Shiites, the army is very weak, the government is also Shiite, so there will be no problems with the capture of Iraq.

      Definitely sick. Iraq is what you did wrong. Having captured the oil, it is advisable to sell it to someone. Do you think Iran will give it? By the way, most of the population of Iraq are Sunnis.


      Quote: Odyssey
      The actions of Hezbollah, and possibly Syria against Israel.

      Repeat the fate of Iran, but after 7 minutes.

      Quote: Odyssey
      If necessary, a ground attack in Afghanistan against NATO forces.

      And is this all Iran?
      Ravings of a madman
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 May 2013 15: 12 New
        10
        Quote: atalef
        The United States to put up with the closure of Hormuz - a young man at you?

        Dear, before answering, you would at least find out what was going on. The author wrote an article that discusses the possibility of an attack on Iran without USAThat is what we are discussing. Fershteyn? laughing
        Quote: atalef
        Well, first of all,

        OTR is also written there (to be exact, even the BRSD) .Gadr-1, Sajjil-2, Shehab-3 warheads with chemical weapons. The purpose is large cities.
        Quote: atalef
        and secondly, after 10 minutes, Iran will receive p ... and moreover complete, unambiguous, irrevocable.

        Why not in 1 minute? laughing Israel cannot repel this threat without the use of nuclear weapons. What I have written about. The use of nuclear weapons by Israel takes the conflict to a global level and is impossible if the United States is not involved in the conflict. And this reminds you once again of what we are discussing.
        Quote: atalef
        Definitely sick. Iraq is what you did wrong

        You don’t understand what you are writing. We are discussing Iran’s possible countermeasures in case of aggression against Israel + the Gulf monarchy. Occupation of the southern regions of Iraq and thereby depriving the United States of Iraqi oil, with the disruption of world trade is a completely natural move. for which the likelihood that they will give the go-ahead to Israel to attack is very small.
        Quote: atalef
        By the way, most of the population of Iraq are Sunnis.

        Shiites, a young man. Study the mathematical part. Moreover, they mainly live in southern Iraq.
        Quote: atalef
        And is this all Iran?

        You don’t know the simplest things. Iran borders on Afghanistan and has a very large army. The NATO group in Afghanistan is very vulnerable, especially in terms of communications.
        Quote: atalef
        Ravings of a madman

        Hamite, dear.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 4 May 2013 23: 44 New
        0
        Most of the population of Iraq are Shiites. Sunnis - 30-35 percent.
  • knn54
    knn54 4 May 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    1. Shiite-Sunni differences.
    2. Ethnic difficulties between Persians and Arabs.
    3. Territorial disputes dating back to time immemorial.
    In addition, the Islamic Republic of Iran is increasingly declaring its claims for a privileged position in the Muslim world and the Near and Middle East, which, of course, does not cause understanding in the Arab countries. The Iranian nuclear missile program also brings tensions.
    The Saudis went so far in their hostility to Tehran that they even negotiated with the United States regarding a likely military operation against Iran. Riyadh is ready to open its airspace for Israeli military aircraft. The Arabs have a more important enemy. Israel and the Arab League have a common understanding of the Iranian threat. Even Egypt believes that the close alliance of Syria with Iran is detrimental to the interests of the Arabs.
    svp67: It would be interesting to see how the SA, the UAE will be "friends" with Israel against Iran.
    The Yankees and Israel could provoke a direct clash of the Gulf monarchies with Iran - the main ally of Damascus. It is theoretically possible that Tel Aviv will secretly provide some assistance to the Arabs, but most likely they will simply rejoice in Israel. Turks are also unlikely to be upset: the Arab-Persian armed confrontation purely automatically increases the weight of Turkey in the Islamic world.
    In the case of the Middle East war, the price of oil will rise even more. The blow to the economies of the EU and China will be for the States (more than half of the "black gold" the United States buys in the states of the Western Hemisphere - Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia)
    a real holiday.
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 4 May 2013 13: 57 New
    +3
    The author of the article is not so much simplified (or something that oiled the situation) ... everything is more complicated)
    Firstly, what to do with Shiite Iraq (there are 60% of the population there) and the fact that the Shiites have shown themselves in battles with amers are not easily passing fighters. Shiite Iraq is the South and Central part of Iraq ... and there is a border with Kuwait and the SA;) and the narrowest "neck" of Iraq's access to the sea ~ 100 km separates Iran and Kuwait) and then SA. The IRGC will not take advantage of the monarchy in SA PI..TS! And the Mahdi of Iraq (or their continuation), will not stand aside.

    And there is Shiite Oman, and Pakistan which expresses support for Iran ...
    1. Rioter
      5 May 2013 15: 27 New
      +1
      Oman is the Arabian Sultanate. The Ibaddians are not exactly Shiites. The weakest link in the Big Three (SA, AOE, OMAN) and is under the supervision of the first two. Very vulnerable in case of disagreement. Parts of the AOE will put this country under control very quickly in case of bouza.
    2. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 5 May 2013 16: 03 New
      -1
      Yes, Pakistan has never provided support to Iran, fear God !!! And secondly, Shiites have helped the Americans like no one else, if you remember they brought the Shiite majority to power, under Saddam the Sunit minority was in power.
  • Superbandera
    Superbandera 4 May 2013 15: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Kaa
    Too lightweight for 2013, the statement: "currently Iran has missiles with a firing range of up to 2-2,3 thousand km and a real potential to increase it to intercontinental (6 thousand km). So far, the Iranian missiles have only conventional equipment.

    they launched a satellite, which means that they can already deliver the "device" to any point of the ball, like that ... But in general, all the enti cries that the Saudi monarchies will be able to cheto there with the support of Sirail and Turkey mock the chickens what the Saudis will do when will the land component of the Iranian troops rush to them across the strait? in addition, information has been circulating on the network for quite some time that Iran has nuclear weapons of foreign production (USSR),
  • Vtel
    Vtel 4 May 2013 18: 38 New
    +1
    God will judge everyone, and those who make porridge and those who will throw it.
  • Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    In Syria, oil and gas?

    Everyone at school taught geography, I am sure most liked it, studied economic geography, I think a lot of people knew it perfectly. One thing is surprising, how to brainwash so as to make Syria a major producer of oil and gas. Syria is a major oil and gas transporter, but not a producer !!!
  • Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 4 May 2013 19: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: KOMPLEKT
    Do not believe it, but they created it against the shouting.

    Without Soviet weapons, they would have created a large pile in their pants.
  • Scythian 35
    Scythian 35 4 May 2013 21: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: smile
    snapping teeth pro-American, backed by the power of p ... sov China at hand

    The pro-Soviet regime Damansky didn’t teach it !!! Now a powerful propaganda campaign is underway to return the "primordially Chinese lands" to China. And the primordially Chinese lands are Siberia and the floor of Kazakhstan.
  • Naval
    Naval 4 May 2013 21: 23 New
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    In any case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore, it is necessary to support the IRI, at least in order to prevent unipolarity in the world, and to prevent the dominance of AI.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 May 2013 21: 52 New
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      This phrase is only valid in a limited number of cases.
  • shurup
    shurup 5 May 2013 02: 41 New
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    Quality photos. Hanging tanks are striking.
    In the region of Mount Ararat, near the debris of the ark, is the appearance of a non-ferrous metal dump?
  • Chavy
    Chavy 5 May 2013 06: 35 New
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    The USSR and Comrade Stalin created Israel. Look at whom Israel has raised, Stalin in Israel today is associated with the killer of 60 million people (Goebbels, the Zionists themselves killed so much), and the USSR is still crippled.
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP 5 May 2013 17: 30 New
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    Yes, colleagues, an interesting movie turns out .... Summing up all of the above, two conclusions suggest themselves:
    1. Iran, when it comes down to it (I do not say "if", namely, "when") they will skip in half an hour. And the question for Russia should not sound "is it worth it or not to defend Iran," but "how can Russia get the maximum profit from this."
    2. It turns out that Russia’s BV should not be friends with either the Sunnis, Shiites, Persians or Arabs ... And with whom? The answer is paradoxical, but logical ... with Israel ...
    1. Rioter
      5 May 2013 18: 08 New
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      On the second point is not so gloomy. You forgot about Turkey, with which a very powerful and dynamically growing trade. Israel as a partner is also interesting. And when (not if) Israel settles its disagreements with the LAS, it will be possible again from scratch VERY CAREFULLY, SUBJECTLY, FOR LIVE MONEY and with IRON GUARANTEES FOR INVESTMENTS to enter the region.