How Russia can win in the next three years

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How Russia can win in the next three years


Ukraine's continuous growth


From a certain perspective, the events in Ukraine don't resemble a war debilitating the country. In 2022, gross domestic product did indeed fall by a significant 29 percent, but it rebounded in 2023. Although only slightly due to the low base effect, this growth continued in 2024—the economy expanded by 5,3 percent. The adversary's National Bank is doing a good job. Inflation, which soared to 26 percent in 2022, fell to just 5 percent in 2024, thanks to tight monetary policy and a key rate of 15,5 percent.



This isn't a mistake – Ukraine's key interest rate is currently a full one percent lower than Russia's. GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power parity, is around $14,000 – below the pre-war level, but clearly above expectations. The IMF claims that the equivalent figure in Russia is $14,260.

Foreign aid to Ukraine, which has exceeded $100 billion since 2022 (including $60 billion from the EU and the US), has covered 70 percent of the budget deficit. Without these external injections, the healthcare system and pensions would have collapsed long ago. It could be argued that Western funding is keeping the enemy's social sector afloat, preventing a surge in public discontent with Zelenskyy's policies. This is clearly a sore point that Russia's military and political leadership should pay attention to.

Let's try to explain this as clearly as possible. Steps must be taken to raise inflation in Ukraine to 20-30 percent. The first steps have been taken – about 40 percent of power generating capacity is out of commission. Is this critical? It's difficult to say; any calculations in this situation are very approximate. But one thing is clear: in 2021, the loss of almost half of Ukraine's power generation capacity would be a real catastrophe. Several million people have not yet had time to leave the country, and industrial enterprises have not yet been shut down. Consumers have certainly felt the impact of the increase in kilowatt-hour prices. This is debatable now – at least 6,5 million people are abroad, and industry in the east has almost stopped, which significantly reduces consumption.

Let's remember that even before the Cold War, Ukraine's electricity sector was oversupplied—the country sold a great deal to Europe. Western analysts claim an additional 1-2 percent increase in inflation due to the strikes on the electricity sector. As a result, Russia's policy toward its adversary's economy can be described as vegetarian in this regard. It's no surprise that everyone is predicting Ukraine's GDP to grow—by a couple of percent in 2025 and by 4,5 percent in 2026. The question arises: how realistic is it to expect territorial concessions and a reduction in military operations from an adversary whose economy is constantly growing? This is true even though the country has a huge budget deficit (approximately 25 percent of GDP), which is compensated for by European aid.


Not everything is as rosy in the enemy camp as it might seem. The foreign debt is enormous – it will reach 100 percent of GDP by 2026, and there are no grounds for reducing it. However, this is a very indirect indicator of the economy's malaise. Consider the foreign debt of the United States, for example. And yet, they're living happily ever after. Among the real threats is a reduction in the labor force by a quarter by 2028, which could threaten the defense industry, which has already employed up to half a million people with Western funding.

No simple recipes


Ukraine's modest but steady economic growth and its ability to resist are instilling a certain confidence in Western sponsors. Incidentally, the longer this continues, the more convinced European leaders and the US President will be of their own rightness. Consistency, in their view, appears to be a sign of the Zelenskyy regime's mastery. Under this pretext, the PURL program, which stands for Prioritised Ukraine Requirements List, was launched on July 14, 2025. By October 2025, four aid packages had been implemented: the August (the Netherlands gave missiles to Patriot), September (Scandinavia – HIMARS), the second August (Germany – mixed) and Canadian (500 million per Defense). In total, at least two billion dollars have already been spent. There's nothing fundamentally new in PURL—it's simply a logistical improvement that allows the Ukrainian Armed Forces to obtain what they most urgently need at the moment without unnecessary bureaucracy. As we can see, the most in-demand items are air defense missiles. This, incidentally, is a direct response to the possible intensification of Russian strikes on Ukraine's military infrastructure—a threat the enemy is unprepared to counter on its own.

Nearly four years of special operations have demonstrated one thing: the level of military-technical influence on the enemy's economy is insufficient. The "thousand cuts" or "strangulation" tactics only slightly adjust Ukraine's GDP growth rate. And time is not on Russia's side in this case. Take, for example, the thesis about the gradual depletion of the mobilization reserve in Ukraine. On the surface, this seems logical—the Russian Army, advancing westward, is grinding down the personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. However, there's a nuance: the mobilization age in Ukraine has never dropped below 24. Many are talking about some kind of social upheaval that will trigger a lowering of this bar. But is this true? The 18-24 age bracket currently includes Ukrainian youth, who encountered the Second Military Military Service at a very sensitive age. Western and Bandera-aligned propaganda heavily targeted this age group. Has this shifted their internal worldview? It's unknown. But one thing is clear: they certainly haven't become less Russophobic. Ukraine is currently a gigantic melting pot, turning everyone into rabid fascists and misanthropes. Some talk of combat fatigue? But first, what losses, other than human ones, are the enemy suffering? None. The standard of living, we should point out separately, is quite comparable to Russia's. With considerable reservations, of course. A satisfactory quality of life is the average temperature in a hospital. In Lviv, for example, almost nothing has changed for Ukrainians since 2022, unlike, say, Kryvyi Rih or Dnipropetrovsk. As a result, the enemy's economic growth rate could well be higher than Russia's. To be fair, this is all due to the extremely low base following the decline at the end of 2022.


A mirror image of reality is now in the minds of the Ukrainian leadership. The systematic and relentless decline of Russia's economic potential has become a key objective over the past year and a half. The degree of effectiveness can be seen on gas station price tags. How far this will go remains to be seen.

In the current circumstances, shifting the focus to destroying Ukraine's economic potential as the foundation of its military might could be quite effective. It's important to understand that every fraction of a percent of GDP growth translates into a month, or even an additional six months, of military operations. Strategically, this could look like this: Combat activity on the front lines would be minimized to the minimum possible for the given period, and all freed-up resources (and there will clearly be considerable ones) would be reoriented toward long-range strikes and the naval blockade of enemy ports. This won't happen overnight and will require a major transformation of the army's logistics and funding. fleetThere will likely be fewer reports of newly liberated settlements, but the enemy will also have to expend more resources on rebuilding the war effort. All that remains is to find the tipping point, when the hopes and desires of Russophobes in Ukraine no longer correspond to the reality of the surrounding world. That's when many questions will arise about Mr. Zelenskyy's regime. And then, liberation efforts by the Russian Army can resume.
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  1. +35
    27 October 2025 04: 26
    To win, we need, first and foremost, the iron political will of the country's top leader. And a purge of the five-columnists and liberals in the rear. That's the only way... Half measures, fawning, especially to the West, and goodwill gestures only lead to even more dire consequences. We must be strong and decisive, and not afraid to show our strength. If we wipe them out in the toilets, that means wipe them out without a second thought.
    1. +13
      27 October 2025 04: 42
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      If you have to flush them down the toilet, that means flush them down without thinking.

      There is a weapon that has no analogues in the world - that's what we should use, and not boast about at exhibitions!
      1. +22
        27 October 2025 08: 43
        Regarding these weapons... "Posnydon," "Burevestnik," etc.... These systems can't be used at the moment (and thank God). Regarding laser weapons, "Prometheus" or whatever they're called... Did that help in any way during the UAV attack on our strategic nuclear forces facilities? Although, according to the plan, all of this should have been there a priori. And the fact that it has no analogues... This is just stupid PR. The emperor has no clothes. To saturate facilities with the same laser countermeasures, we need a powerful electronics industry. And so... Creating a remotely detonated munition is a problem for us.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 10: 13
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          About laser weapons

          It's called "Peresvet"... And silence!
          1. +1
            3 November 2025 00: 25
            Peresvet isn't a weapon. It's a station for illuminating optical reconnaissance satellites.
    2. AAK
      +22
      27 October 2025 06: 42
      I wonder who would have convinced our President that he needs an iron political will, that he needs to purge the liberal-globalist fifth column, especially in his immediate circle and the highest echelons of power, that it's time for him to stop groveling before the collective West, to stop making goodwill gestures, to get carried away with the negotiation process, and to concern himself with the interests of the "brotherly people" to the detriment of the people of his own country, and that he needs to demonstrate strength and determination not toward his own people, but toward the enemy and his sponsors and inspirers...
      1. +35
        27 October 2025 07: 25
        Quote: AAK
        I wonder who would have conveyed to our President that he needs an iron political will, that he needs to purge the liberal-globalist fifth column, and above all in his immediate circle and the highest echelons of power.

        Who would confront the president with the fact (the dilemma) that he cannot simultaneously fight the Nazis and lead this fifth column that has infiltrated all branches of government...
        What did the so-called "fifth column," undoubtedly represented by a certain Chubais, achieve "notoriety" for? It was that their activities were, in fact, sabotage, destroying the Russian state.
        First, it's necessary to create a law enforcement agency with broad powers and reporting directly to the president, so it's clear who's responsible for the mess. The president's immunity should be stripped if his or her actions are deemed unconstitutional (causing clear harm to the people of Russia, including the failure of demographic policy).
        You can't build a state where no one is held accountable for anything, and where those who are sabotaging the state (enemies of the Russian people) are given the opportunity not only to flee but also to withdraw all their capital... And, of course, pension payments to such figures should be terminated by court order... So that we don't have new Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, and... yes, yes, yes, Chubais...
        1. 0
          9 November 2025 00: 54
          I couldn't believe my eyes. Putting the little man who installed the fifth column in key positions and lucrative jobs in charge of the fight against the fifth column? The little man who fawns over his enemies and covers for the entire gang of thieves? A very strange initiative. Or should I say, foreign?
      2. -6
        27 October 2025 08: 52
        I wonder who would have conveyed to our President that he needs an iron political will.
        To demonstrate will, force is needed (Ivan the Terrible had oprichniks, I.V. Stalin had the NKVD). Does the current guarantor of the constitution have anything similar? No, that's why this will is lacking.
        1. +14
          27 October 2025 10: 03
          Quote: Gomunkul
          Does the current guarantor of the constitution have something similar?
          Isn't it true that where is Strelkov (Girkin) now, where is Popov, where is that same Prigozhin, with his not at all hand grenades on the plane?...
        2. +1
          3 November 2025 00: 27
          Yes. Rosgvardia. 350. They even got tanks recently.
        3. +1
          3 November 2025 02: 09
          There's the Russian National Guard, which is quite a lot... There's the FSB.
      3. +19
        27 October 2025 10: 14
        Quote: AAK
        I wonder who would have conveyed to our President that he needs an iron political will, that he needs to purge the liberal-globalist fifth column, and above all in his immediate circle and the highest echelons of power.

        What are you even talking about? HOW is he going to purge the Deripaskas, Usmanovs, Rotenbergs, and so on? They'll probably purge him. As it is, the guarantor is there to guarantee the immunity of those mentioned above, as well as to ensure the advancement of all their interests.
      4. +14
        27 October 2025 10: 59
        Observing this military operation from a distance, I—and others—have come to the conclusion that it's not just a matter of political will. It's more a question of capabilities. This war has exposed the true state of the current Russian armed forces. And it came as a shock to the Kremlin, too. Look at who has served as Russia's Minister of Defense and who as Security Council Secretary over the past decades, and everything becomes clear. These people didn't even serve their mandatory military service. All development of the defense industry has been limited to show-off projects, not to strengthening the country's defense capability.
        1. +12
          27 October 2025 14: 10
          The funniest thing is that these very people were the ones who were feeding the people this nonsense about Stalin not preparing the country for war. And how did they "prepare" it?
        2. +4
          27 October 2025 14: 37
          They put too much faith in pretty reports and sycophantic summaries, and it's not customary to submit anything else. Reality has once again proven cruel to such figures.
          1. 0
            9 November 2025 04: 34
            Quote: Vulpes
            They believed too much there. in beautiful reports and sycophantic papers, while others are not accepted to be submitted there.

            There was never any faith, hope, or love for their country or their people. How could they possibly understand the very essence of life to pass a law requiring men to retire when they weren't living to 65? Did he ever try to live (or try it on his friends) on the minimum wage (not the established subsistence minimum)? They just threw dust in people's eyes with parades and biathlons...
        3. +9
          27 October 2025 18: 37
          But what beautiful tank biathlons they were, and what a useful and pompous temple to the armed forces they turned out to be! Everyone was beaten in biathlons, there are plenty of temples, but not enough weapons.
          1. +2
            3 November 2025 00: 28
            There are more than enough weapons. There are no people.
        4. -1
          9 November 2025 01: 03
          Regarding your expressed surprise, I can only remind you: nothing is ever done without benefit for someone. Figure out who the beneficiary is, and a lot will become clear to you.
      5. +19
        27 October 2025 12: 36
        Who would convey to our President that he needs an iron political will, that he needs to purge the liberal-globalist fifth column?
        How can he possibly fight himself?! 🤣 His entire 26-year career has been in precisely this vein. His attempts to please both yours and ours can be counted, but what's the point? He didn't touch Chuba and the others until the end, and even let them leave. "Who did this?!" 🤣
        1. +8
          27 October 2025 14: 11
          He was deceived. Didn't you hear?🤣
          1. +8
            27 October 2025 14: 16
            He himself told everyone that they were deceiving him. After all, the KGB was staffed by honest and naive young men, and it was so easy to fool them...
            1. -1
              9 November 2025 01: 17
              He outgrew his KGB position and, immediately after leaving, went to the United States for advanced training. Upon his return, his career took off like a rocket. A colonel with no understanding of either economics or military affairs quickly and consistently became first prime minister and then commander-in-chief of the armed forces of a considerable country, with the authority to use or not use (!) nuclear weapons. No, the United States is definitely a magical land!
      6. +2
        27 October 2025 22: 40
        He needs to clean out the liberal-globalist fifth column.

        So he is the main representative of this very column, Yeltsin’s protégé and henchman.
    3. -16
      27 October 2025 08: 48
      Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      To win, you need, first of all, the iron political will of the head of state... You have to be strong and decisive...

      There is will and determination, but no money, and without it, you can’t go anywhere...
      There is no political force to resolve domestic problems. Every time we vote for the pro-Vlasov party, United Russia, led by Vlasovite Medvedev, in the Duma elections, we are voting for the interests of the bourgeoisie who nominated us for the Duma, who dream of Russia's defeat...

      To ensure we have the funds to ensure the president's will and determination, the Duma would only need to remove Article 75 from the Constitution, which is not on the list of untouchable articles, and, as a result, subordinate the Central Bank to the Russian government, transferring control over budget expenditures to the Duma.

      To change the colonial status of "our" constitution, the Duma first needs to pass a law on a constitutional assembly, which could not only change the contents of Chapters 1, 2, and 9, but also change the Constitution entirely, even to the point of returning Stalin's constitution in its entirety...

      1. +9
        27 October 2025 11: 21
        They're still taking it out to offshore accounts just like they did before!)))
      2. +11
        27 October 2025 18: 43
        Borya, what constitutional assembly? It takes them six seconds to change the constitution. Just look at when they needed to reset presidential terms – they rewrote the constitution in a flash.
        1. -5
          28 October 2025 08: 01
          Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

          Quote: Fan-Fan
          It will take them 6 seconds to change the constitution.

          The contents of Chapters 1, 2, and 9 of the Constitution, which define Russia's colonial status, can only be amended by the Constitutional Assembly. The remaining chapters and articles can be amended by a constitutional majority of Duma deputies—two-thirds of the total number.
      3. -1
        9 November 2025 01: 50
        And remember how the aforementioned character pushed through the Duma to appoint a protégé of American financiers as head of the "Central Bank." One might even say he snatched this appointment under threat of dissolving parliament. And another high-stakes stunt? How the constitution was literally amended "on the fly" to extend the aforementioned character's tenure. Has no one understood anything? This isn't even about a fifth column, but about the direct control of the country by very specific external forces.
        forces. Once this fact is realized, all the oddities associated with this character's activities become clear.
    4. +24
      27 October 2025 09: 15
      The first person in the state declared that he himself is a liberal, which means he should flog himself or what?
      1. +5
        27 October 2025 19: 40
        V. Putin confirmed that he is a "real liberal"
        Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with Russian and foreign journalists in Krasnaya Polyana confirmed that he is "a true liberal and holds liberal views."

        DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST LIBERALS IN RUSSIA?!

        So he and the rest of the liberals have Russia.
    5. +11
      27 October 2025 09: 28
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      And a purge of the Five-Columnists and liberals in the rear. That's the only way...
      Whose interests are at stake in Ukraine, what kind of money is at stake, and who owns it? It's capitalism itself that needs to be cleansed first. The "patriots'" favorite catchphrase is "the cat abandoned her kittens, it's Putin's fault." I wonder if it's the cat's fault that Donbas was abandoned for eight years, and Kherson, for example, was ceded? Where is constitutional duty and immediate responsibilities, and where are heroic deeds and great favors? Who should be wiped out in the toilets, in our hand-picked capitalism and with our dependent "elite"? That is the question.
    6. -2
      27 October 2025 10: 27
      FoBoss_VM
      Today, 04: 26
      To win, we need, first and foremost, the iron political will of the country's top leader. And a purge of the fifth-columnists and liberals in the rear.

      hi What is required is a rigorous approach to conducting military operations, equivalent to waging war against enemies.
      Energy, military supplies and manpower are the priority targets for strikes, as is damage to the economy.
      Warn through diplomatic and military channels that the military supply hubs of Banderastan are legitimate targets for the Russian Armed Forces, not only on the territory of Banderastan.
      1. +7
        27 October 2025 11: 24
        Last week, one half-baked deputy from our idiot-like group said: "We'll have to rebuild it if we destroy it!" And who, I wonder, will leave these bridges for him when he retreats???
    7. -10
      27 October 2025 12: 41
      The author writes about the Ukrainian economy as if it exists, relying on Bandera-esque data, which in turn is written to obtain loans and has nothing to do with reality. There's no way to cover this year's budget deficit. According to the most optimistic forecasts, the war will only last through March 2026. But that's if funding from Europe and other sponsors remains at its current level. If it somehow declines, the collapse will come sooner. It's no coincidence that Europe is currently in hysterics, demanding a ceasefire, which would, among other things, allow for a reduction in war spending.
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    9. 0
      27 October 2025 14: 48
      And then you'll whine like in Stalin's time - why me, brothers, I'm one of our own, a Soviet one!!! You've turned out to be a loser!!!
    10. +10
      27 October 2025 14: 56
      And who do you classify as the "fifth column and liberals"? For a long time now, the head of state has only been surrounded by close and loyal comrades, even those with the necessary paperwork from the Central Election Commission. Or, as always, are they "bad boyars"? So the tsar chose these boyars as his assistants, appointed them, and is quite satisfied with their work...
    11. +5
      27 October 2025 19: 01
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      And the purge of the five-columnists and liberals in the rear.

      Right now, the sovereign's people, officials, deputies, the creative intelligentsia, and all the rest who make up that very same liberals and fifth column that have finally come to power and been legitimized, will rush to cleanse themselves... We are waiting for the opening of circuses across the vast expanses of Russia in order to witness this spectacle.
      1. +2
        27 October 2025 19: 42
        Quote: AlexSam
        Now the sovereign's people, officials, deputies, the creative intelligentsia, and all the others who make up that very same liberals and fifth column that have finally come to power and been legitimized, will rush to cleanse themselves...

        Well, why yourself???
        You can always find someone!
        From Jews to bloggers, there's always someone for the "unenthusiastic way of thinking."
        For example, the commentators here...
        1. +1
          28 October 2025 00: 04
          Not everyone. The patriotic zealots won't be touched; they'll be good for extras. Some will have to be at the festive venues when the Tsar takes the stage, waving flags in tricolor tracksuits and down jackets.
        2. +1
          28 October 2025 16: 44
          tsvetahaki
          +1
          Yesterday, 19: 42
          New
          Quote: AlexSam
          Now the sovereign's people, officials, deputies, the creative intelligentsia, and all the others who make up that very same liberals and fifth column that have finally come to power and been legitimized, will rush to cleanse themselves...

          Well, why yourself???
          You can always find someone!
          From Jews to bloggers, there's always someone for the "unenthusiastic way of thinking."
          For example, the commentators here...
          Commentators are last in line, as they do little harm, but bloggers are already being targeted. Tatyana Montyan has been declared an extremist, lights out...
    12. -4
      27 October 2025 19: 26
      From the author:
      As a result, the enemy's economic growth rate may well be higher than Russia's.
      I disagree with the comparison. The enemy's entire economy is focused on its military program, while Russia's takes into account many other components, with varying return periods (long-term investment programs). The Russian government, no matter how much we criticize it, is trying to support many areas—from innovation in the aviation and space industries to the social development of Russian cities. Therefore, directly comparing the GDPs of the two countries is incorrect. But that's beside the point.
      From the author:
      The minimum possible combat activity for a given period is organized on the fronts, and all freed up resources (and there will clearly be a lot of them) are reoriented to long-range strikes and a naval blockade of enemy ports.
      The logic is sound. Even the first Microsoft strategy games demonstrated that by overwhelming the enemy in resources and production, victory could be achieved with relatively little force.
      But I'd also like to add something regarding economic measures in Russia itself and ways to overcome the domestic economic recession that has emerged and is expected in the near future. There is talk of cutting spending on social programs and a budget deficit for next year, according to conservative estimates, of 6-8 trillion rubles. In my opinion, these difficulties should not be used as an excuse to cut vital spending, but as a reason to change the production model and find ways to improve its efficiency. Not by cutting wages, but through gradual robotization and automation, and increased energy efficiency in production itself and associated ancillary components (production assets). Thus, reducing production costs by 5-10% will provide the country with the missing 1-3% of GDP.
      To implement this strategy, each enterprise must draw up a plan for priority measures for the first and second quarters of 2026, calculating the economic impact, and implement these programs within the appropriate timeframes.
      Of course, by examining in detail the entire chain of a particular production, something can be improved or changed in order to achieve the main goal.
      Ps: Our intelligence is our strength!
      1. 0
        28 October 2025 18: 00
        It's beautifully written. But in practice... Have you been to many factories these days? While "effective" managers rule, even the management staff is subject to the latest fashions—a director for a year, then another, and there's no real owner of the factory, in the good sense of the word. Again, a planned economy isn't really about the market, it's about different relationships. And there's a good Soviet film, "Limits of the Possible," starring Solomin. I recommend it. It's about production, efficiency, and responsible management.
        1. 0
          28 October 2025 19: 10
          ...there is no owner of the production in the good sense of the word.
          You got my point. The owner's attitude was exactly what I was hinting at. Thanks for the comment!

          I currently work in manufacturing. If I were the owner of a company, I'd find ways to cut costs, I imagine. But then again, I have no idea how significant the savings would be or how much they would impact the cost of production. However, a colleague of mine, who recently worked at Renault, said they cut costs everywhere, even competing between company departments for the best results. We're the ones who are spoiled by cheap resources and are known for quickly solving problems, but lack the patience to achieve the desired result. Precision and fine-tuning aren't our strong points.
          I've been to other companies too, and everything is different. Out of a dozen companies, there were two or three where management was focused on productivity and efficiency. Statistics
    13. +2
      27 October 2025 23: 22
      Just drop Nabiullina and Siluanov and that... hoarse one on them by parachute.
      And in a couple of years they are completely and utterly doomed.
    14. +4
      28 October 2025 16: 36
      Iron political will? It somehow doesn't mesh with bourgeois, capitalist ideology. I see many people in the former Soviet Union still haven't figured out what's what. They're simply adapting to the brutal snarl of capitalism and wasting themselves in the forced struggle. I don't know how long it will take, but Russia will apparently have to repeat the historical spiral. The works of Lenin and Stalin will help.
  2. +10
    27 October 2025 04: 59
    The analysis of the sustainability of the Ukrainian Nazi economy is insufficiently covered... this topic is more extensive and fundamental... it cannot be covered within the framework of an article. what
    And behind it, political and military issues of an independent state will emerge in a chain... I will not undertake to comment on this due to a lack of information within Ukrainian society.
    Roskomnadzor has cut off all sources of information from which any conclusions could be drawn. what
    Official sources give a one-sided picture of the real situation. request
    All that's left is to read the tea leaves and play "guess the melody".
    1. +7
      27 October 2025 06: 43
      So the entire economy is just selling off wartime meat. They gave 100 billion, and 50 billion of that was taken off in taxes, and that's the budget. If they don't give 100 billion, there won't be a budget at all.
    2. +1
      27 October 2025 18: 52
      It's strange, but they live well. Transportation works, food prices are in line with ours, there's a wide selection, and the cities have hot water and electricity. True, there are downsides: all their social services are paid for by Europe, and the men have to hide from the shopping malls.
      1. 0
        9 November 2025 02: 17
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        There is hot water and electricity in the cities

        Not everywhere anymore. And when there's no power, there's no water at all. I saw something like that once—a heartbreaking sight.

        You're either poorly informed or you're deliberately distorting information. Both are bad. Ugly. laughing
    3. +2
      27 October 2025 19: 56
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      All that's left is to read the tea leaves and play "Guess the Tune"

      I completely agree with you...
      Although I am in a better informational position than most - at least I am often in the West on business.
      But here's what I can tell you from the facts (for me, at least): the Ukrainians I spoke to there didn't complain at all about the standard of living in the country they'd abandoned. I listened and compared with great surprise (astonishment!)
      Yes, there's a "survivorship bias"—they're from the cities, after all, and not Nazis. But a couple from smaller towns told completely different stories. It's truly sad there, to put it mildly.

      Nevertheless, according to the article.
      The age of conscription is a very clear indicator and fact (especially the policy of free departure for this age group)
      "Grain Deal" – how do the cargo we deliver get to the Odessa port? By rail?
      And how does logistics work in a heavily shelled country with bridges, tunnels, and a few railway lines connecting with the outside world, given the presence of Oreshniks and other "unparalleled" missiles? Iskanders that can't be shot down by the primitive Patriot?
  3. +34
    27 October 2025 05: 04
    How many times have we told the world that before talking about ways to achieve victory, we need to understand what there is victoryThe author does not do this, therefore his article is simply meaningless.
    Is victory the achievement of the SVO's original goal, which, let me remind you, was to protect the people of Donbas? It's inappropriate to even talk about that; now they've ordered it forgotten, since Donbas has been completely destroyed, and the people have simply been killed or forced to leave.
    Is victory the current peace terms of Mr. Putin? Donbas and Crimea, along with half of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, for us, and the rest for Zelensky's treacherous Nazis? Or is victory something else? The author needs to figure it out somehow.
    P.S. However, the author's method for achieving victory is extremely strange. His algorithm goes like this: all forces are used to strike production/energy, a naval blockade will reduce the Russophobes' hopes, raise questions for Zelensky, and create conditions for liberation by the Russian army.
    I hope the author won't take offense, but every point of this plan seems... err, simply insane. What naval blockade is this, when the Black Sea Fleet itself is blockaded in Novorossiysk? How will the aspirations of Russophobes be affected by attacks on Ukrainian cities and enterprises, etc.?
    So, like, we bomb you with friendly ballistic and cruise missiles and deprive you of heat and light in the winter, and you'll love us for it? I'm afraid the reality is quite the opposite.
    1. +24
      27 October 2025 05: 17
      Quote: Belisarius
      Before talking about ways to achieve victory, you need to understand what victory is. in this SVO )
      Alas... in such a military conflict, self-destruction is clearly visible, and victory is absent... no matter what your dreams.
      I'm writing my comment as a response to yours because that way I have a better chance of it not being deleted. Sorry.
      https://3rm.info/main/97605-zri-v-koren-sejchas-realizuetsja-hjustenskij-proekt-razrushenija-rossii-video.html
      Quote from the text at the link -
      Only an ignorant and darkened person in mind and heart does not understand this obvious fact.

      ******
      1. +11
        27 October 2025 09: 05
        Nikolai, you're absolutely right. There can be no victory where the enemy's allies rule.
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      2. +7
        27 October 2025 19: 33
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, what kind of victory can there be if the main, initial goals turned out to be unachievable? Almost everyone has become neo-Nazis, and demilitarization looks completely ridiculous.

        Denazification and demilitarization were means, not ends. The end was to protect the people of Donbas (Putin's speech, February 24, 2022). They became ends when it became clear that protecting the people of Donbas had escalated into its destruction. But even from this perspective, the exact opposite result was achieved. You're right about that.
        However, this is a propaganda sham. The real goal was to reach an agreement with their Western partners on Ukraine and, more generally, on security guarantees for the Russian authorities. That would have been a victory for Putin and Co. Victory in this sense has also been elusive, despite Father Trump. Although desperate attempts to reach an agreement continue.
    3. +43
      27 October 2025 06: 37
      Regarding the "victory", I am not sure that if it happens, it will not be flushed down the toilet, as Putin did with the victory in the Chechen war, achieved with considerable sacrifices on our side.
      Instead of taking advantage of the defeat of the militants to establish a special, harsh regime on the territory of Chechnya, he began to pay tribute for loyalty to its leadership, which he himself (!!!) installed.
      1. +60
        27 October 2025 06: 58
        This grandmaster flushed the Russian Spring of '14 down the same toilet... There's no forgiveness for that. And also for "as long as I'm president, there will be no increase in the retirement age, I won't allow gas prices to rise," and the rest. To trust him after a quarter-century of this character's rule, you'd have to be either an outright enemy of the country or an idiot.
        1. +20
          27 October 2025 07: 44
          Exactly! This brought to mind the first quatrain from the tenth chapter of Eugene Onegin.
        2. +30
          27 October 2025 10: 29
          25 million high-tech jobs will be created.
          In fact, no jobs have been created. Instead, 25 million migrants have been brought in for other jobs.
          This is also a promise from one comrade...20 years ago
          1. +34
            27 October 2025 11: 20
            "We have reversed the demographic crisis that threatened Russia's very existence. Just think about it: just recently, the country was losing a million citizens a year: the population decline was a million a year." (Putin)
            That's right, the numbers are correct - instead of the 30 million Russians who died, they brought back the same number of wild shepherds. Putin's breakthrough. Hurray.
    4. +30
      27 October 2025 07: 39
      Quote: Belisarius
      So, like, we bomb you with friendly ballistic and cruise missiles and deprive you of heat and light in the winter, and you will love us very much because of this?

      Let me follow up on your thoughts: what can the Russian government offer the average (brainwashed, deceived, and raised on lies) Ukrainian citizen in exchange for the independent capitalist yoke? Only one thing: the Russian capitalist yoke, with all the "charms of fraud, speculation, and other joys of housing and communal services, healthcare, and education."
      But will they be willing to exchange their Ukrainian awl for Russian soap without complaint and with understanding?
      1. +17
        27 October 2025 07: 54
        Speaking of which, here's the difference between Ukraine and Russia. In Ukraine, there aren't migrants taking jobs from locals.
        1. -7
          27 October 2025 08: 34
          In Ukraine, there are no migrants taking jobs from locals.

          Wow... Well, there was Saakashvili, he took someone else's place. Other foreigners could be mentioned, too. It's certainly different, but still different.
          Ukraine itself is a country of migrants. Many there dream of going to Poland to pick strawberries.
          1. +11
            27 October 2025 10: 08
            Well, yes, and in Russia, Kalantaryan. Don't write nonsense. I'm referring to the mass importation of Tochiks, Uzbeks, and Caspian Tatars. They're importing the most savage and uneducated people who have no intention of integrating into Russia.
            1. +2
              27 October 2025 10: 36
              Why are you doing migrants a favor by calling them by their own name?
              1. +6
                27 October 2025 10: 50
                You haven't seen Russian grannies walking into a store where the migrant owners are delightedly congratulating them on yet another holiday. But just 40 years ago, we didn't even know there were any Muslims.
                Well, the names are just a joke. I once had to hold their passports, so I remembered them. Besides, before the revolution, there was no such thing as the Emirate of Bukhara, the Khanate of Kokand, or the Khanate of Khiva.
                1. +1
                  27 October 2025 17: 35
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  You haven't seen yet how Russian grannies walk into a store where the migrant owners enthusiastically congratulate them on yet another holiday.
                  I haven't seen it, but I believe it. I'm sure everyone's read about how one woman, in a small town with just 200 people, registered herself in an apartment and sued, claiming it was her right and winning. But what did I witness? Just 20 years ago, our old ladies were looking for a cheap place for these newcomers to rent a room and cram 10 people in there... going around telling everyone how poor they were, how much they'd suffered...
            2. -1
              27 October 2025 11: 09
              Can you even imagine the wages in the regions of Ukraine? What kind of Uzbeks would come here? Besides, many regions of Ukraine had unemployment themselves, and importing labor from other countries made no sense.
              1. +11
                27 October 2025 11: 11
                You won't believe it, there's no point in importing it to Russia either, but they do.
        2. +23
          27 October 2025 10: 34
          This is one of the factors why we were not met there with flowers.
          What could our country offer to Ukrainians?
          Economic growth? Replace your oligarchs and bosses with our own? See with your own eyes how migrants commit lawlessness? See the irreplaceable, merged bureaucratic-business-security-criminal clans of in-clandestine cabals?
          1. -5
            27 October 2025 15: 01
            Quote: Eugene_4
            This is one of the factors why we were not met there with flowers.

            One, but not the main one. The main one is that over thirty years of independence, the people have been brainwashed into the "Anti-Russia" mentality, ready to mess with Russia everywhere.
            Where in Nazi Germany in the mid-1940s were Soviet soldiers greeted with flowers?
            Quote: Eugene_4
            What could our country offer to Ukrainians?

            The problem is different: what could Ukraine offer Russia without incurring the wrath of our country?
            Quote: Eugene_4
            Economic growth? Replace your oligarchs and bosses with our own? See with your own eyes how migrants commit lawlessness? See the irreplaceable, merged bureaucratic-business-security-criminal clans of in-clandestine cabals?

            No one forced them into Russia. It was enough for them to simply remain neutral, resolving their own problems.
            1. +3
              27 October 2025 15: 29
              Over the thirty years of independence, the people have been brainwashed into thinking "Anti-Russia," ready to mess with Russia everywhere.

              Where did you get this from? Did someone tell you about it on TV?
              The problem is different: what could Ukraine offer Russia without incurring the wrath of our country?

              You're now portraying Russia as some kind of inadequate street thug, terrorizing ("causing anger") passersby in the evenings if they refuse to share a cigarette ("what could I offer without causing anger").
              It was enough for them to simply remain a neutral country.

              How could it remain a neutral country after February 23, 2014?
              1. +1
                27 October 2025 15: 32
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Where did you get this?

                I don’t know where he got this from, but as a person who once lived there and had connections there for some time afterwards, I can confirm what he said.
                1. -1
                  27 October 2025 15: 33
                  I can confirm what he said.

                  Try lol
                  1. 0
                    27 October 2025 15: 38
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Try

                    What am I supposed to try? I saw it all with my own eyes. I'll still remember Soros's history textbooks, which wrote such things about Russia that I won't even quote them, as there are several criminal charges for that.
                    1. +1
                      27 October 2025 15: 40
                      I saw it all with my own eyes

                      What did you see with your own eyes?
                      I still remember Soros's history textbooks, which wrote such things about Russia that I won't quote them as...

                      ...you make things up on the fly without any specifics
                      1. +3
                        27 October 2025 15: 42
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        What did you see with your own eyes?

                        How Banderites held their rallies with calls to destroy everyone starting with the letter M.
                      2. +3
                        27 October 2025 15: 54
                        How Banderites held their rallies with calls to destroy everyone starting with the letter M.

                        1) What year did you see it?
                        2) Why on earth did a certain separate group of marginalized people become a whole?
                        in thirty years of independence peopleу

                        With such success, the marches that took place here especially actively in the 90s (and until 2016, if memory serves) with all sorts of "Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, we will build a white paradise" and so on - is this the position of the Russian people?
                      3. 0
                        27 October 2025 16: 00
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        1) What year did you see it?

                        Early 90s.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        With such success, the marches that took place here especially actively in the 90s (and until 2016, if memory serves) with all sorts of "Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, we will build a white paradise" and so on - is this the position of the Russian people?

                        But in Russia I have never seen a Vlasov street or heard that the president awarded him the title of hero.
                      4. +5
                        27 October 2025 16: 04
                        But in Russia I have never seen a Vlasov street or heard that the president awarded him the title of hero.

                        And?
                        Or do you think the Ivan Ilyin Higher Political School is something completely different?
                      5. -5
                        27 October 2025 19: 16
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Or do you think the Ivan Ilyin Higher Political School is something completely different?

                        It's very different. It's in the same category of embarrassment as the Mannerheim plaque. No one in Russia or the USSR had ever heard of this "philosopher." Or rather, except for a few historians. Unfortunately, this story, like the Yeltsin Center, which the Russian population misunderstood, hasn't received an adequate assessment from the Russian leadership.
                        Badera, Shukhevych and Vlasov are guilty of specific crimes against the country and the population of the occupied territories.
                      6. +1
                        28 October 2025 14: 10
                        Very different.

                        Well, of course.
                        Naming a street after a collaborator-independentist and creating a special institution promoting a very slippery paradigm, named after a DOCTRINER who at one time justified the correctness of fascism for the conditions of Russia and in relation to the conditions of Russia, are, of course, not the same thing.
                      7. 0
                        30 October 2025 09: 46
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The street is named after a self-styled collaborator

                        Once again, this "independence figure" and the UPA organization he led are responsible for a number of war crimes on the territory of the former USSR. The same applies to Roma Shukhevych, in whose honor Vatutin Avenue was renamed—he was deputy commander of Hitler's Nachtigall special forces unit with the rank of Hauptmann, and from November 1941, deputy commander of the 201st Security Police Battalion (subordinate to the SS). He "distinguished himself" in punitive operations on the territory of Belarus.
                        These are the "heroes" of Ukraine... Punishers and sadists, loyal lackeys of Hitler's Nazism.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        ...the creation of a special institution promoting a very slippery paradigm, named after a DOCTRINER who at one time justified the correctness of fascism for the conditions of Russia and in relation to the conditions of Russia, is of course not the same thing.

                        Once again, this institution, created a couple of years ago, can be described as "widely known in narrow circles," that is, right-wing conservatives. And even more so, what kind of paradigm are they promoting there, and to whom? Most likely, within their own narrow circle. But the name of Ilyin, after whom this institution is named, has sparked protests from the Russian public, represented by prominent historians and students. I told you it's the same as with the Mannerheim plaque: they wanted the best, but it turned out as usual...
                        I haven't read Ilyin (like 99,9% of Russian citizens) -- but I condemn him.... Yes Does he have a history of genocide crimes hanging over him? belay
                        So yes, it's not the same thing...
                      8. 0
                        30 October 2025 12: 49
                        that is, right-wing conservatives.

                        Tell me, for example, is Korchinsky from Ukraine also a right-wing conservative? Or is he a Nazi and a fascist? Surely our "merely right-wing conservative" couldn't have marched alongside their Nazi and fascist at the Russian March? Oh, sure, he could.
                        And even more so, what kind of paradigm are they promoting there, and to whom? Most likely, within their own narrow circle.

                        Are you from the moon? Ilyin Higher School develops nationwide educational projects. In other words, it decides what education will be like, and therefore what will be in the minds of future generations.
                        If this is equivalent to the Mannerheim plaque in terms of consequences, then there is nothing more to talk about.
                        I haven't read Ilyin (like 99,9% of Russian citizens) -- but I condemn...

                        You? I believe you. And the fact that you're answering for me, whether I've read it or not, speaks volumes.
                        Imagine, I read it. And here on the forum, I even compiled a selection of his points that help us understand why he's so useful to the "elite."
                      9. +1
                        30 October 2025 13: 24
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Tell me, for example, is Korchinsky from Ukraine also a right-wing conservative? Or is he a Nazi and a fascist?

                        He's a Bandera supporter and a Nazi. An ideological follower of the founder of the UPA. And, incidentally, he participated in the terrorization of the Russian population on the side of the Chechen militants. Just like his "brother-in-arms," ​​Sashko Bilyi.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Our "merely right-wing conservative" couldn't possibly have walked together with their Nazi and fascist at the Russian March?

                        And who is "their Nazi and fascist"? Why don't I know?
                        Where did this "Russian March" go, and when? In fact, it was a movement of the most radical members of Russian society (mostly young people) against the uncontrolled migration flows from the Caucasus and Asia into our country. And that's not at all what you're hinting at. Such marginalized "Nazis" have been, are, and will be in most European countries. And not only. Our "Nazis" NEVER attacked WWII veterans. Yes

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Are you from the moon? Ilyin Higher School develops nationwide educational projects. In other words, it decides what education will be like, and therefore what will be in the minds of future generations.

                        That's what they (or you) think. In reality, their "works" are known to few except themselves, which they sometimes publicize as some kind of concept: "this is how it seems to us, how it should be." You're clearly trying to stretch the truth here.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        If this is equivalent to the Mannerheim plaque in terms of consequences, then there is nothing more to talk about.

                        Yes, these same figures tried to immortalize Mannerheim as someone who did "much good for our country." But they preferred to ignore the bad things he did. But they were reminded...
                        But why the Russian people need the "Yeltsin Center", which almost EVERYONE in Russia knows about, is unclear...
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        But the fact that you are responsible for me, whether I read it or not, is quite eloquent in itself.

                        Where did I answer for you? belay I couldn't care less about you studying this material. You brought him up here, practically calling him the "father of Russian fascism." But I remember Andron Konchalovsky's words: fascism is, beyond ideology, an organization of everything. The Russian people are incapable of such a thing. And I agree with him.
                      10. 0
                        30 October 2025 13: 46
                        He's a Bandera supporter and a Nazi. An ideological follower of the founder of the UPA. And, incidentally, he participated in the terrorization of the Russian population on the side of the Chechen militants. Just like his "brother-in-arms," ​​Sashko Bilyi.

                        Is Dugin a right-wing conservative? So why isn't Korchinsky a right-wing conservative? They performed brilliantly together in 2005. And the director of the Ilyin School didn't care at all that Korchinsky "participated in the terrorization of the Russian population." How so?
                        And who is "their Nazi and fascist"?

                        You're driving me crazy. Are you talking about Korchinsky? Or are you unable to keep your thoughts within a single paragraph?
                        And this is not at all what you are hinting at here.

                        Really? What am I hinting at? You're making up other people's minds again.
                        In fact, their "works" are known to few except themselves, which they sometimes bring into the public domain as a kind of concept: "This is how it seems to us, how it should be."

                        On what basis, actually?
                        They are STATE-FUNDED. Don't you get the difference? Now these little-known works will become widely known; they are being introduced into political science courses at universities.
                        Where did I answer for you?

                        belay And who was this addressed to then? Are you still communicating with someone here?
                        I haven't read Ilyin (like 99,9% of Russian citizens) -- but I condemn...

                        But I remember Andron Konchalovsky's words: fascism is, beyond ideology, an organization of everything. The Russian people are incapable of such a thing.

                        Are the Russian people incapable of organization? belay
                      11. -1
                        31 October 2025 09: 20
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You're driving me crazy. Are you talking about Korchinsky? Or are you unable to keep your thoughts within a single paragraph?

                        Because I first learned from you about Korchinsky’s participation in the Russian March. belay But I haven't been following this topic at all. Who's there and what's there? Then I, in turn, am stunned by the inaction of Russian law enforcement and intelligence agencies, who haven't caught this ideological Banderite. am
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        On what basis, actually?
                        They are STATE-FUNDED. Don't you get the difference? Now these little-known works will become widely known; they are being introduced into political science courses at universities.

                        Our liberal Echo of Moscow was funded by the semi-state Gazprom and broadcast nationwide for much longer. But I doubt the majority of the population listened to it, much less shared its propaganda.
                        I repeat once again: their works will remain confined to the circle of these political scientists, occasionally appearing at their forums and gatherings. Just like the works of those who came from, say, the Higher School of Economics.
                        Have you read their works? They talk about the superiority and exceptionalism of the Russian nation. wassat
                        Yes, I am more than sure that there is the usual chatter about the great power status of the Orthodox empire and other uplifting opuses and bonds. laughing
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And who was this addressed to then? Are you still communicating with someone here?

                        I haven't read Ilyin (like 99,9% of Russian citizens) -- but I condemn...

                        Where is it about you? belay Actually, I’m talking about myself and 99,9% of Russian citizens. request
                        Really? What am I hinting at? You're making up other people's minds again.

                        So you are gradually insinuating the existence of "Russian fascism" based solely on the name of a little-known school.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Are the Russian people incapable of organization?

                        Unfortunately, yes. The example of activists from the "Russian Community" calling on the Russian people to unite to counter the growing influence of ethnic diasporas in Russian cities doesn't resonate with the masses. Morally, perhaps, yes, but they're not taking action.
                        But you've diverted the topic from naming avenues after Nazis and criminals to Dugin's activities, who named their little-known school after a little-known "philosopher" with his own fantasies.
              2. -2
                27 October 2025 18: 51
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Where did you get this from? Did someone tell you about it on TV?

                Below, you've already been described the situation in Ukraine unfolding over the years of independence, in accordance with the doctrine of "Ukraine is not Russia." Kuchma said/wrote this work. Then, various USAID-funded non-state pension funds and pseudo-historians, grant-eaters, began their brainwashing. The figure of $5 billion invested in these goals was announced by Madame Nuland in her testimony before the US Congress.

                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                You're now portraying Russia as some kind of inadequate street thug, terrorizing ("causing anger") passersby in the evenings if they refuse to share a cigarette ("what could I offer without causing anger").

                You have outlined some kind of inadequate allegory...
                In the case of Russia, this is a story about the geostrategic security of a country, next to which, on the territory of such a Bandera thug, the prospect of his creation of nuclear weapons and the deployment of NATO infrastructure "loomed."
                The example has been cited repeatedly—the deployment of Chinese or Russian missile bases on Mexican soil, especially when Mexico intends to develop its own nuclear weapons against its "aggressive northern neighbor." How do you think the US would react to such measures? Oh, right—that's different...

                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                How could it remain a neutral country after February 23, 2014?

                She had no intention of remaining neutral in principle. They set a direct course toward Euro-Atlantic association.
                1. 0
                  28 October 2025 14: 25
                  You have already been described below...

                  Am I supposed to take seriously the result of brainwashing of numerous individuals by our propaganda?
                  "Ukraine is not Russia." Kuchma said/wrote this work.

                  1) Well, Ukraine isn't Russia. Just as Russia isn't Ukraine. And it's also not Belarus or Moldova. Or Zimbabwe.
                  2) Let me remind you that we weren't talking about "not Russia," but about "anti-Russia." Which is not the same thing at all. The destructive position that has been drilled into people's heads is very clear: whoever is not with us is against us. The consequences of this position can now be seen with our own eyes.
                  You have outlined some kind of inadequate allegory...

                  This isn't an inadequate allegory. It's simply that the allegory clearly and comprehensibly demonstrates the inadequacy of the text to which it was a response.
                  The prospect of its creation of nuclear weapons and the deployment of NATO infrastructure loomed.

                  Can you confirm the Ukrainian declaration of the start of nuclear weapons development BEFORE 2014? Can you? I'm afraid not.
                  She had no intention of remaining neutral in principle. They set a direct course toward Euro-Atlantic association.

                  Oh, really. Does it matter that we've been in the North Atlantic Alliance Council since 91? It's no use blaming the mirror.
                  Quote: https://dzen.ru/a/ZFYeau4BhDrDbOj7
                  When the USSR collapsed, the new Russia's leadership also attempted to find a way to join NATO. In late 1991, Boris Yeltsin asked the alliance to consider Russia's accession. This was his "long-term political goal."...
                  ...Vladimir Putin made another attempt to have Russia join NATO in 2000. Even before his first presidential election, he asserted his full support for Russia joining the alliance as a full partner. He later discussed this issue with Bill Clinton, but Secretary of State Madeleine Albright strongly opposed it. Vladimir Putin himself stated that Clinton liked the idea.
                  ...Since 2001, Russia and NATO have grown even closer. In 2002, the PJC became the Russia-NATO Council:[/b] [b]Russia received voting rights in the alliance and could participate in all NATO member meetings...
                  1. +1
                    30 October 2025 10: 54
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Am I supposed to take seriously the result of brainwashing of numerous individuals by our propaganda?

                    You don't owe anyone anything, just like you don't owe anyone anything. And especially not the citizens of Ukraine itself, who witnessed the brainwashing of their population unfold before their eyes and what came of it.


                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    1) Well, Ukraine isn't Russia. Just like Russia isn't Ukraine. And it's also not Belarus or Moldova. Or Zimbabwe.

                    Ukraine is a torn-off historical part of Russia (Russia is the Greek word for "Rus"), just like Belarus. They are half-brothers, and as we know, you can't choose your kin. So you shouldn't have brought Zimbabwe into this. Yes

                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    2) Let me remind you that we weren't talking about "not Russia," but about "anti-Russia." Which is not the same thing at all. The destructive position that has been drilled into people's heads is very clear: whoever is not with us is against us. The consequences of this position can now be seen with our own eyes.

                    Well, you're finally starting to get it... Anti-Russia is like a former historical part of Russia and against Russia. By stretching a Galician Bandera blanket over Malorossiya and Novorossiya.
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    This isn't an inadequate allegory. It's simply that the allegory clearly and comprehensibly demonstrates the inadequacy of the text to which it was a response.

                    Your allegory, written in a purely Ukrainian style (are you, by any chance, originally from Ukraine?), is more than inadequate. I've shown you, using a specific example, how any INDEPENDENT state responds to security threats emanating from the territory of neighboring border states that have fallen under the influence of external hostile forces. Take Israel, for example... It doesn't stand on ceremony with anyone. But the real "international thug" is the United States, creating problems for everyone thousands of kilometers from its borders.
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Can you confirm the Ukrainian declaration of the start of nuclear weapons development BEFORE 2014? Can you? I'm afraid not.

                    How did you tie events before 2014 into events before 2022? A lot of water has flowed under the bridge in those eight years...
                    Yesterday, speaking at the Munich Security Conference, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hinted at the possibility of restoring (or acquiring) Ukraine's nuclear status. He said a meeting of the signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, which was supposed to guarantee Ukraine's security in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons, should be convened—Kyiv is doing so for the fourth and final time. If negotiations fail, Ukraine's decision to give up its nuclear weapons could be reconsidered.
                    Zelenskyy's statement is surprising. Yes, mantras about nuclear status have long been heard in Ukraine. It was discussed long before 2014. But by whom? By rabid experts and politicians like Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of the pro-Nazi Svoboda party. But this is the first time such a statement has come from the president, the person vested with the highest state authority, which presupposes a certain responsibility.

                    RIA News

                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Oh, really. Does it matter that we've been in the North Atlantic Alliance Council since 91? It's no use blaming the mirror.

                    What other "North Atlantic Council", and what "alliance"? belay laughing
                    I followed the link provided - it's a clearly biased article with a lot of far-fetched material: "they wanted," "they planned," the Polish authorities reported. laughing and in the same spirit...
                    First, the cited document is not a verbatim transcript of the conversation between the two presidents, but a retelling of their conversation. The telegram containing this retelling was signed by US Ambassador to Moscow Thomas Pickering, who, as the text indicates, was personally present at the meeting and later forwarded the document as a report to the State Department. Yeltsin's lines are interspersed with first- and third-person narration, but virtually all of them are unquoted, meaning they are not necessarily verbatim or complete. Only one of his words is directly quoted in this fragment: "To tell the truth, Russia is not yet ready to join NATO."
                    Secondly, as other declassified documents about Clinton's visit show, American officials sometimes shaped their reports of the meetings to suit their own assessments and gave them a noticeable coloring that might not have been there in reality.

                    https://rg.ru/2024/01/26/dejstvitelno-li-elcin-govoril-klintonu-chto-rossiia-dolzhna-pervoj-vstupit-v-nato.html?ysclid
                    Under Yeltsin, there was a huge falling out with NATO after the bombing of Yugoslavia.
                    It's the same story with Putin... Blah-blah... Putin was most likely trolling the West, just as Stalin once "wanted to join" NATO: "Joseph Stalin first introduced it to the world public at a meeting with French Ambassador Louis Joxe in 1952. The diplomat explained to Stalin that France considered NATO an exclusively peaceful organization. Then Stalin, as if jokingly, said: "Since it's peaceful, why don't we join it?" laughing
                    NO ONE will EVER let Russia join NATO. Get that straight. All Soviet/Russian politicians understood this. But they did it for some kind of hype. Yes
                    And what about Ukraine?
                    Representatives of NATO countries agreed at the Vilnius summit to streamline Ukraine's accession process. The country will skip the preparatory phase, during which a potential member must complete a membership action plan.
                    “We reaffirm the commitment we made in Bucharest in 2008 that Ukraine will become a member of NATO, and today we recognize that Ukraine’s path to full Euro-Atlantic integration has moved beyond the need for a Membership Action Plan,” the communiqué reads following the first day of the summit.
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                      30 October 2025 13: 20
                      Well, it's finally starting to dawn on you...

                      What doesn't occur to you is that you justified your initial "Anti-Russia" by arguing that it was "not Russia," which is not the same thing. It's simply a matter of trying to fit a globe into a skein.
                      Your allegory, written in a purely Ukrainian style

                      What is a "purely Ukrainian manner"?
                      more than inadequate.

                      It's not hard for me to repeat
                      This isn't an inadequate allegory. It's simply that the allegory clearly and comprehensibly demonstrates the inadequacy of the text to which it was a response.

                      Reread until you understand the meaning.
                      I have shown you with a specific example how any INDEPENDENT state acts in response to security threats emanating from the territory of neighboring limitrophes

                      This is about how North Korea isn't touched by the world's thugs because they have nuclear weapons and who knows what else? A good example.
                      But the real "international thug" is the USA.

                      And? How does that invalidate my allegory? Not at all.
                      How did you connect the events of BEFORE 2014 with the events of BEFORE 2022?

                      Very strange text.
                      Because your further excerpt refers to events AFTER 2014. Could you remind me what happened in 2014 that could have prompted a state to acquire nuclear weapons? So the question naturally arises: where are the stories about nuclear weapons before 2014? None? So why the heck are you trying to outsmart the world?
                      What other "North Atlantic Council," and what "alliance"? Belay laughing.

                      Laughter for no reason, a sign ...
                      Cooperation. If you decide to rely on this kind of nitpicking, it will work both ways.
                      I followed the link provided - clearly a biased article

                      Well, of course. If you don't like it, you'll find plenty of others.
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B8_%D0%9D%D0%90%D0%A2%D0%9E
                      Oh, we used our military aircraft to transport NATO troops after their invasion of Afghanistan. How inconvenient, huh?
                      NO ONE will EVER accept Russia into NATO.

                      So? Does that mean Russia wouldn't have joined? You're substituting a hypothetical NATO decision for Russia's hypothetical decision. You might as well say Ukraine would never have joined NATO either.
                      And what about Ukraine?

                      And? Didn't you write something above about an independent state? I somehow didn't notice that Sweden and Finland's (actual) accession to NATO provoked a commensurate response from Russia to, as you recall, "security threats emanating from the territory of neighboring limitrophes that have fallen under the influence of external hostile forces."
                      1. -1
                        30 October 2025 14: 34
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It doesn't occur to you that YOU argued your initial "Anti-Russia" with "not Russia", which is not equivalent.

                        I take my words back - you still haven't gotten it...
                        Then let's try again.
                        In 2014, writer Sergei Lukyanenko, during a live Q&A with Vladimir Putin, said: "For the past 23 years, Ukraine has been developing as a state opposed to Russia. The slogan, in fact, was even: 'Ukraine is not Russia.' And the most terrible thing is that these seeds have now borne fruit. We see what's happening, and as a result, the country is descending into a nationalist, almost fascist, situation. [Is this fact significant?] Analyst Alexander Klyukin wrote that same year: "Since 'Ukraine is not Russia,' this is the only Ukrainian national idea—everything that connects Ukraine with Russia must be destroyed and humiliated, and everything that divides it must be exalted."

                        This work, created by Kravchuk and a group of fellow Russophobes, became the starting point for the formation of Anti-Russia in Ukraine.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It's not hard for me to repeat
                        This isn't an inadequate allegory. It's simply that the allegory clearly and comprehensibly demonstrates the inadequacy of the text to which it was a response.

                        Reread until you understand the meaning.

                        Yes, I understand your "meaning" - the eternal Ukrainian tormenting question: "anastozaSHO"!!!! laughing
                        It wasn't for nothing that I asked you the question: where are you from? All the "allegories" and "meanings" are exactly the same as those coming from THAT side. Yes

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This is about how North Korea isn't touched by the world's thugs because they have nuclear weapons and who knows what else? A good example.

                        This is not a good example. Firstly, North Korea poses no threat to the United States, especially since it is not a border state.
                        Secondly, there's nothing valuable to be gained from it. As we say, "The game isn't worth the candle."

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Could you remind me what happened in 2014 that could have motivated a state to acquire nuclear weapons?

                        Let me remind you. A civil war has begun in Ukraine. Why use nuclear weapons to wage a civil war?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, of course. If you don't like it, you'll find plenty of others.

                        Maybe someone you like will come in? laughing I have enough common sense to understand that Russia will never be accepted into NATO. Because NATO is against Russia, and everything else is just blah blah blah... Some supposedly behind-the-scenes talk and supposedly wishful thinking, which were then allegedly leaked and interpreted in the press...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        So? Does that mean Russia wouldn't have joined? You're substituting a hypothetical NATO decision for Russia's hypothetical decision. You might as well say Ukraine would never have joined NATO either.

                        No, I wouldn't have joined. No one invited me, and no one asked to join. You published false information...
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And? Didn't you write something about an independent state above?

                        Ukraine is not a subject, but an object of world politics.
                        Ukraine's accession to NATO is enshrined in the Constitution (and not just "talks", it seems, what in a small circle).
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I somehow didn’t notice that the entry (and actual entry) of Sweden and Finland into NATO caused a proportionate reaction from Russia.

                        This DEMONSTRATIVE entry secured the ACTUAL membership of these countries in NATO. Finland has 5 million people. Ukraine has 45 million people. You see the difference...
                        Ukraine's accession to NATO would deprive it of its base in Russian Sevastopol, but most importantly, it would likely mean the deployment of missile defense systems literally hundreds of kilometers from the positioning areas of Russian strategic nuclear forces.
                        But once again, it’s not just about NATO, but about a whole complex of contradictions and conflicts with Ukraine – ideological, military, economic and others.
                        Here in Ukraine, it is common to believe that Russia attacked solely to keep us out of NATO and the EU... Out of envy.
                      2. 0
                        30 October 2025 15: 30
                        Then let's try again.

                        So what did you try? Someone named Lukyanenko and someone named Klyukin gave their assessment. And what happened? Moreover, the aforementioned individuals are using the same manipulation—they present "NOT" as "ANTI." It's like responding to "1 is not 2" by saying "1 is the anti-2". And again, the fact that a wave of such judgments appeared after 2014 is left out. Probably just a coincidence.
                        All the "allegories" and "meanings" are exactly the same as those coming from THAT side.

                        I thought I asked you to answer what "purely Ukrainian manner" means? The argumentum ad hominem approach simply won't work with me.
                        "All the allegories are exactly" with what you said.
                        The example is not good.

                        Because it directly refutes your thesis? wassat
                        1) North Korea poses a danger to any state a) within the range of their nuclear weapons b) that decides to commit direct aggression against North Korea.
                        2) North Korea poses a direct threat to South Korea. This alone is enough for the United States.
                        3) In your understanding of the word "limitrophe," it is. Since you call Ukraine a limitrophe, even though four specific countries were called limitrophes after the collapse of the Russian Empire.
                        A civil war has broken out in Ukraine. Why use nuclear weapons to fight a civil war?

                        But it's not for waging civil war. In countries that possess it, is it for waging civil war? You're spouting such absurd gems that this absurdity is becoming tiresome.
                        The events of 2014 are not limited to the internal conflict in Ukraine.
                        You published fake news

                        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/142046#:~:text=%D0%95%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%20%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F%20%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D1%8B%20%D1%83%D0%B6,%2C%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA%20%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%20%D0%BE%D1%82%20%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%22.
                        Naturally, everything you don't like is just fake news.
                        Ukraine's accession to NATO is enshrined in the Constitution

                        In 2019. Can you guess that 2019 is AFTER 2014?
                        ACTUAL membership of these countries in NATO.

                        What nonsense. Neither country had any obligations to the bloc (such as stationing troops, adopting standards, or maintaining infrastructure according to those same standards), and the bloc's principles (for example, Article 5) did not apply to these countries.
                        You understand the difference

                        Yes, yes, start looking for the difference immediately. lol The northern bases are useless, the Baltic Fleet is useless, the country's second city is within range of cannon artillery, and so on and so forth. And whether there are five million there or not (funny enough, Sweden's 10 million is left out) is completely irrelevant when it comes to deploying missile defense systems.
                        Here in Ukraine, it is common to believe that Russia attacked solely to keep us out of NATO and the EU... Out of envy.

                        Are you jealous that Russia isn't accepted into the EU or NATO? Well, Russia doesn't want to be there, so there's nothing to be jealous of. lol You really decide.
                      3. -2
                        31 October 2025 12: 56
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And what did you try? A certain Lukyanenko and a certain Klyukin gave their assessment.

                        Well, yes. Just like other gentlemen who have read, for example, "Mein Kampf," they can give their "value judgment." belay
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Moreover, the aforementioned characters employ the same manipulation—they present "NOT" as "ANTI." It's like responding to "1 is not 2" with "1 is the anti-2."

                        What do these phrases mean if not in the context of ANTI? belay
                        "Over the past 23 years, Ukraine has developed as a state opposed to Russia...
                        "...everything that connects Ukraine with Russia must be destroyed and humiliated, and everything that divides them must be exalted."
                        .

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And again, the fact that a wave of such judgments appeared after 2014 is left out. Probably just a coincidence.

                        You specifically left this out because this topic has been a constant theme in the Russian information space in light of all conflicts between Ukraine and Russia. Almost immediately after the collapse of the USSR and increasingly so thereafter...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I thought I asked you to answer what a "purely Ukrainian manner" is?

                        I wrote it in plain Russian: all Ukrainian allegories boil down to one meaning: "anastozaSHO".
                        You are trying to manipulate and you don’t like it when the absurdity of your allegories is openly pointed out to you.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Because it directly refutes your thesis?
                        1) North Korea poses a danger to any state a) within the range of their nuclear weapons b) that decides to commit direct aggression against North Korea.

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        This can be written about any state that possesses nuclear weapons. Yes But for the US, the world revolves around the DPRK and Iran too. Ah-ha.
                        North Korea, unlike the US and NATO, has never attacked anyone.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        2) North Korea poses a direct threat to South Korea. This alone is enough for the United States.

                        South Korea poses a direct threat to North Korea. But until recently, it lacked a nuclear-armed ally like the United States.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        3) In your understanding of the word "limitrophe," it is. Since you call Ukraine a limitrophe, even though four specific countries were called limitrophes after the collapse of the Russian Empire.

                        You don't understand the meaning of the word limitrophe. request From Latin limitrophus "border"; Latin limes - "road", "border path", later simply "border".
                        Limitrophes are state entities that emerged as a buffer between major powers.
                        Does North Korea border the United States? belay
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        But it's not for waging civil war. In countries that possess it, is it for waging civil war? You're spouting such absurd gems that this absurdity is becoming tiresome.

                        Because you linked the events of 2014 to the incentive to possess nuclear weapons. wassat
                        Could you remind me what happened in 2014 that could have motivated a state to acquire nuclear weapons?

                        I thus pointed out to you that there is no justification for developing nuclear weapons for civil war. Don't be stupid, skeptic...
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The events of 2014 are not limited to the internal conflict in Ukraine.

                        Now you will again accuse me of completing your Ukrainian theses about the "hybrid war against Ukraine" for you. laughing
                      4. -1
                        31 October 2025 12: 57
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        In 2019. Can you guess that 2019 is AFTER 2014?

                        It all started much earlier.
                        In 2002, the Individual Partnership Plan with NATO.
                        In 2005, following the Orange Revolution and the rise to power of President Viktor Yushchenko, cooperation with NATO took the form of "accelerated dialogue," which was intended to be the first step toward Ukraine's accession to NATO. In early 2008, the alliance considered an appeal from President Yushchenko, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, and Parliament Speaker Arseniy Yatsenyuk requesting Ukraine's accession to the NATO Membership Action Plan.
                        Following the Euromaidan and the unconstitutional change of power in February 2014, Ukraine resumed its course toward NATO membership. In December 2014, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a bill introduced by President Petro Poroshenko, which established Ukraine's non-aligned status.
                        In June 2017, legislative amendments were introduced, declaring NATO membership one of Ukraine's foreign policy priorities. In 2019, constitutional amendments came into force, enshrining Ukraine's strategic course toward full membership in the European Union and NATO as a constitutional norm.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic

                        What nonsense. Neither country had any obligations to the bloc (such as stationing troops, adopting standards, or maintaining infrastructure according to those same standards), and the bloc's principles (for example, Article 5) did not apply to these countries.

                        France (before Sarkozy) also had no legal obligations to NATO, but it was closely involved in interactions with all NATO structures. The same can be said, to a greater or lesser extent, about these countries. Incidentally, when joining NATO, the rulers didn't bother to ask their populations whether they really needed it.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Naturally, everything you don't like is just fake news.

                        The rumors about Yeltsin's "desire," and even more so, "requests" to join NATO.
                        Regarding the proposed article, you forgot to FIRST highlight in the text:
                        "Why not? I don't rule out such a possibility—if Russia's interests are CONSIDERED, if it is a full-fledged partner."

                        Which is crossed out by the phrase:
                        In the future, it may well become a member of the alliance - when it accepts the values ​​we preach.
                        Curtain.....
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The northern bases are useless, the Baltic Fleet is useless, the country's second city is within range of cannon artillery, and so on and so forth. And whether there are five million there or not (funny enough, Sweden's 10 million is left out) is completely irrelevant when it comes to deploying missile defense systems.

                        Poland and the Baltic states were already NATO members. Sweden doesn't border Russia. Neither does France, which has rejoined NATO. So, are the Finns and Swedes eager to "cut up the Russians"?
                        But to make things completely "happy," there weren't enough NATO bases in the south.
                        Once again, the Ukrainian border runs close to the Strategic Missile Forces' positioning areas in the Central regions of the Russian Federation, which become EXTREMELY vulnerable to preemptive strikes or interception at the launch point.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Are you jealous that Russia isn't accepted into the EU or NATO? Well, Russia doesn't want to be there, so there's nothing to be jealous of. Make up your mind.

                        But you gave links above that Putin wanted to join NATO, but somehow it didn't work out... Then with Ukraine, in Ukrainian thinking --- you won't get it either. am laughing
                        As you whined on the Maidan: Russia, let us go!!!!
          2. 0
            28 October 2025 00: 22
            Quote: Eugene_4
            one of the factors why we weren't met with flowers there.

            IMHO... The main factor is the sudden and massive bombing.
            Anyone who has served in the military knows that in the event of an armed (and massive!!) attack on a military unit, automatically The combat crew begins to work. This unit enters the battle automatically and inevitably.
            In Crimea, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not raise their arms precisely because they were not attacked.
            They entered without firing a single shot.
            This is my opinion. sad
      2. +11
        27 October 2025 08: 04
        I agree that before we go help deal with the “foolish jesters”
        , and also "to pay back the shame with interest," it wouldn't hurt to first restore order in your own country. Since there are plenty of buffoons here too.
        1. -3
          27 October 2025 14: 59
          [quote=Glock-17]I agree that before we go help deal with the “foolish jesters”
          , and also "to pay back the shame with interest," it wouldn't hurt to first restore order in your own country. Since there are plenty of buffoons here too.
          We were forced to start the Second World War, we were pushed to the wall. And the war is going on, perhaps to prevent Russia from being plunged into a new civil war and catastrophic consequences for all the peoples of our unfortunate country. And to preserve power for the current "elite" that has seized the helm. It is disgusting to discuss the quality of these leaders. The way out of the current situation is not easy, but we must follow the path of uniting healthy forces of internal harmony, stop squabbling among ourselves first of all, we must become one united people, prevent internal strife, we need people who are trusted and who can achieve this, without infringing on the interests of the people, and then drive out and tear apart those who are against the people. They are not afraid until they lose the support of the people. Parts of the people are divided and pitted against each other, twisted and used in the interests of clans and groups. This is the path to the abyss. Hope is weak that we will again walk along the edge of the abyss, in general, as is usually the case in our history. Pray and hope again for Help from the Holy Mother of God and do what must be done, and then what will happen...
          1. +2
            27 October 2025 15: 45
            Quote: YES
            must become one united people

            How can one be one people with all the liberal democrats calling for the destruction of Russia?
      3. +13
        27 October 2025 08: 14
        What can the Russian government offer the average (brainwashed, deceived, and raised on lies) Ukrainian citizen in exchange for the independent capitalist yoke? Only one thing: the Russian capitalist yoke, with all the "charms of fraud, speculation, and other joys of housing and communal services, healthcare, and education."

        And, in fact, wasn’t this the original goal?
      4. +7
        27 October 2025 19: 45
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Let me note, in continuation of your thoughts: what can the Russian government offer to the ordinary (zombified, deceived, raised on lies) citizen of Ukraine in exchange for the independent capitalist yoke?

        This is a fundamental contradiction. Before 2014, Ukrainians thought they had to be either with Russia or the EU. Which option was better? 70% of adults and almost 100% of young people chose the EU (excluding Crimea). The option of being with Ukraine itself simply didn't exist. That's why the search for nationalists or even Nazis in Ukraine is so ridiculous. There weren't any there, not even with a lantern.
        Now, thanks to the brilliant policies of the Russian government, 100% of Ukraine's population chooses the EU. There are simply no other options. And now Russia will be hated for decades. Attempts to say, "We're hitting you with ballistic missiles, and you should love us for it and kick Zelensky out" are simply utter nonsense.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 22: 31
          Quote: Belisarius
          Until 2014, Ukrainians thought they should be either with Russia or the EU. Which option was better? 70% of adults and almost 100% of young people chose the EU (excluding Crimea).

          They weren't thinking about Russia at all. They were definitely going to join the EU. Yanukovych and Azarov had been pushing them to do so, but with certain conditions. And when both sides—Russia and the EU—rebuffed them on these conditions, they decided to put the process on hold. And then it all began... The angry masses, fueled by the media and Western support, rushed to the Maidan...
          Quote: Belisarius
          That's why the search for nationalists or even Nazis in Ukraine is so ridiculous. There were none there, not even a trace.

          They were always there. They became the main force opposing the Berkut, and later the foundation of the Nazi battalions.
          Quote: Belisarius
          Attempts to say: "We are hitting you with ballistic missiles, and you should love us for this and drive Zelensky out" is simply utter nonsense.

          You're talking complete nonsense. About "attempts to speak" and about "love."
    5. +3
      27 October 2025 14: 02
      What kind of naval blockade is this when the Black Sea Fleet itself is blocked in Novorossiysk?
      What's stopping them from similarly blocking the enemy's waterways? The lack of a navy didn't stop them.
      1. +3
        27 October 2025 19: 51
        Quote from alexoff
        What's stopping them from similarly blocking the enemy's waterways? The lack of a navy didn't stop them.

        Theoretically, there's nothing stopping you, you're right. In practice, you see the results. So, even on this point, the author's proposal seems... a bit unrealistic. Hundreds of such proposals could be generated, but what good would that do?
        1. +2
          28 October 2025 13: 07
          It's just that practically no one is fighting the Ukrainian economy. I think the Turks asked for it. And so, it's easy to get everything going.
    6. -6
      27 October 2025 14: 47
      Quote: Belisarius
      How many times have we told the world that before talking about ways to achieve victory, we need to understand what victory is.

      What do you think constitutes victory? A Russian flag over the Verkhovna Rada and Russian soldiers washing their boots in Tisza?
      Or maybe there is this option: raising a white flag on the enemy positions and offering to accept parliamentarians with terms of surrender?
      Quote: Belisarius
      since Donbass was destroyed to the ground, and people were simply killed or forced to leave.

      Just like that, everyone was killed and left...? belay

      Quote: Belisarius
      What kind of naval blockade is this when the Black Sea Fleet itself is blocked in Novorossiysk?

      Having the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" Crimea, a naval blockade, if desired, can of course be ensured by aviation, coastal anti-ship missiles, submarines and the same unmanned combat vessels.
      Quote: Belisarius
      It's like, we bomb you with friendly ballistic and cruise missiles and deprive you of heat and light in the winter, and you will love us very much because of this?

      This isn't about love, but rather punishment for the betrayal of our grandfathers who fought against Nazism. They fought and built for their descendants, but it fell to the scum.
      1. +10
        27 October 2025 15: 32
        Those who fought and created for their descendants, but the scum got what they deserved.

        You know that from this point of view, we are tarred with the same brush as the Ukrainians.
        Are you sure your grandfathers fought for the country that is now Russia? It's completely unclear why you would consider it equivalent to the USSR.
        1. -3
          27 October 2025 19: 36
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          You know that from this point of view, we are tarred with the same brush as the Ukrainians.

          No-o-o, I don't know. belay But I'm aware that cities like Kyiv and Odesa (now Odesa) have been reshaped to suit their own standards by Bandera's ragulya. And in other regions of Ukraine, Banderization is in full swing, where the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of WWII veterans spit on the graves of their grandfathers.
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Are you sure that your grandfathers fought for the country that is now Russia?

          Grandfathers fought for the physical survival of the Soviet people within the USSR.
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          It’s completely unclear why you would suddenly consider it equivalent to the USSR.

          Where did I write even a word about Russia and its equivalence to the USSR? belay
          Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, with the obligations assumed by that country that has sunk into oblivion.
      2. +1
        27 October 2025 20: 21
        Quote: Askold65
        And in your understanding, what is victory?

        That's a strange question. I didn't write the article we're discussing, and I'm not the one using the word "victory." This question is for the author. But since you're asking me, victory is achieving a peace that's better than the pre-war one (even from your perspective). From that perspective, the war was long ago lost by both sides; the fact that it continues is a consequence of the puppetry of one side (Ukraine) and the exceptional talent of the other (Russia).
        Quote: Askold65
        Or maybe there is this option: raising a white flag on the enemy positions and offering to accept parliamentarians with terms of surrender?

        What capitulation? Who will capitulate to whom when we're not even at war? And on what terms? This is what I'm writing about—before discussing the conditions of victory, we need to describe what they are.
        Just like that, everyone was killed and left...? belay

        In most cities and especially villages, literally everyone. You can go to the DPR/LPR zone liberated after the start of the Northern Military Operation, or you can look it up online. Artemovsk—zero people, Avdiivka—zero people, Chasov Yar—zero people, Maryinka—zero people, Krasnogorova—10 people, etc. Total annihilation.
        Quote: Askold65
        This isn't about love, but rather punishment for the betrayal of our grandfathers who fought against Nazism. They fought and built for their descendants, but it fell to the scum.

        That's your perspective, but the author's thesis is that we'll attack with ballistic missiles, and that will reduce their Russophobia and drive Zelensky out. I'm writing that this thesis is, to put it mildly, illogical.
        As for yours, it's, to put it mildly, cannibalistic. If you tell people, "I'm hitting you and your children with cruise missiles and depriving you of your jobs and lives because you betrayed your grandfathers who fought Nazism," they'll tell you in response, "The only Nazi here is you."
        Quote: Askold65
        Having the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" Crimea, a naval blockade, if desired, can of course be ensured by aviation, coastal anti-ship missiles, submarines and the same unmanned combat vessels.

        I replied to Alexof above. Yes, you're right about that. Theoretically, it can be done. In practice, it's the opposite.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 22: 08
          Quote: Belisarius
          But since you ask me, victory is the achievement of a peace better than the pre-war one (even just from your point of view).

          No. Victory, even if not complete, is forcing the enemy to admit defeat and sign the terms. What you wrote is along the lines of "let there be peace throughout the world after the war." Or rather, ending the war—that's victory... what Strange answer.
          Quote: Belisarius
          What capitulation? Who will capitulate to whom when we're not even at war? And on what terms? This is what I'm writing about—before discussing the conditions of victory, we need to describe what they are.

          The war is ongoing, even if it's labeled as a war of the Second World War. A limited war, if you will. Incidentally, the Americans didn't declare war on Vietnam either, but the world knows those military operations as the Vietnam War, which North Vietnam won.

          Quote: Belisarius
          In most cities and especially villages—literally, everyone. You can travel to the DPR/LPR zone liberated after the start of the SVO.

          This is the area where military operations took place. But this is far from the entire LPR/DPR.
          As reported by the region's Deputy Prime Minister Vladislav Vasiliev.
          "As of April 1, 2024, the population (permanent residents) of the Donetsk People's Republic was 2,121,453 (a population density of approximately 87 people per square kilometer). Of these, 935,349 were men (44.09%) and 1,186,104 were women (55.91%)," he reported on his Telegram channel.

          "TVNZ"
          As of 2025, 1,4 million people live in the LPR and 2,2 million people in the DPR.
          Source: https://visasam.ru/emigration/vybor/naselenie-dnr-i-lnr.html

          Quote: Belisarius
          As for yours, it's, to put it mildly, cannibalistic. If you tell people, "I'm hitting you and your children with cruise missiles and depriving you of your jobs and lives because you betrayed your grandfathers who fought Nazism," they'll tell you in response, "The only Nazi here is you."

          This is not a "cannibalistic thesis", but the logic of war.
          First of all, no one is deliberately targeting "you and your children." They're crippling the infrastructure. And what's landing on civilians, I'll say in the words of a NATO member, is a "side effect." It's the population of Bandera's Ukraine that suffers for the betrayal and policies of Banderstadt, under whom they "lay down." Otherwise, you'll start to think our grandfathers bombed German cities because of their cannibalistic nature... The Germans suffered for their Third Reich and the crimes they committed on our soil. The Ukrainians found themselves in a similar situation. And rightly so...
          Secondly, they labeled us Nazis immediately after the start of the Second World War and even earlier. But at the same time, in their own country, Banderites marched along Bandera and Shukhevych Avenues (named after the former Hero of the USSR, Kyivite General Vatutin) under the banner of "SS Galicia," and Nazis from the Azov Division with the "Wolf's Hook" chevron of the German "Das Reich" division, mocking war veterans and tearing down monuments to those who died in WWII. And there were also bans on everything Russian—literature, art, cinema, and language. They also promoted the superiority of the Ukrainian nation over the "backward Rusnya." Isn't that Nazi ideology? Then what is it? Actually, one of the reasons/goals of the Second World War was to stop this outrage.
    7. 0
      27 October 2025 19: 02
      Victory is those four (or three) words the president used, beginning with the letters "de"... But our leaders miscalculated—they lacked the strength for such a victory. Victory could have been defined as depriving the Ukrainian Nazis of the left-bank part of the country and cutting them off from the sea; then the remaining western part of Ukraine would have insufficient potential to threaten us.
      1. +2
        27 October 2025 20: 29
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Victory could be considered the deprivation of the Ukrainian Nazis of the left-bank part of the country and cutting them off from the sea, then the remaining western part of Ukraine will have insufficient potential to threaten us.

        This is a clear answer. But unfortunately, the author of the article doesn't provide such clarity. The only deprivation is the sea, including the right-bank part.
        If we fought properly, this problem could have been solved in 2022. There's no legal justification, but it could have been solved. Now it's no longer possible. The time has passed.
        And most importantly, no one set such a goal in 2022. Negotiations, let me remind you, began on the third day of the operation.
    8. 0
      29 October 2025 14: 03
      You are, as always, wise. Purely theoretically, I'll note that the graph of hatred of those bombed versus the intensity of the bombings is nonlinear and likely has an inflection point, at which hatred toward those who bomb eventually spills over into hatred toward those who maintain and perpetuate this state of affairs. But the intensity at the inflection point is definitely somewhere in the realm of genocide...
  4. +17
    27 October 2025 05: 10
    Quote: Belisarius
    With friendly ballistic and cruise missiles and depriving you of heat and light in the winter, will you still love us? I'm afraid the reality is quite the opposite.

    The priorities of the strikes are set taking into account the plans of the political leadership in the Kremlin.
    Unfortunately, they do not include the destruction of the Banderite leadership...the foundations of the conflict...we strike anywhere, but not at those who deserve it first and foremost...a paradox. request
    I don't quite understand the future picture of Ukraine's defeat...let's say we destroy the enemy's economy and army, but leave the Ukrainian Nazi leadership intact...what will that give us overall??? what What the hell.
    1. bar
      -6
      27 October 2025 08: 54
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We hit anywhere, but not those who deserve it first and foremost... a paradox.

      Those who deserve it are sitting in London. And in 404, even if their mongrels are exterminated, the situation won't change. The Anglo-Saxons already have spares stashed away.
      1. +5
        27 October 2025 13: 52
        Quote: bar
        Those who deserve it are sitting in London.
        It's funny about London... Who among us profits from the war and whose citizenship do they often hold?
        1. bar
          0
          27 October 2025 14: 03
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: bar
          Those who deserve it are sitting in London.
          It's funny about London...

          You disagree about London? Well, you could add Washington too. If it weren't for them, the war on 404 wouldn't have even started. And if they hadn't arrived now, the war would be over in a couple of months.
          1. +2
            27 October 2025 14: 46
            Quote: bar
            You disagree about London?
            I agree. Just don't pick capitalism up from the dustbin of history; everything else is just a consequence.
            1. bar
              -3
              27 October 2025 14: 48
              There's nothing you can do about it, you can't put the minced meat back into the rat. request
              1. 0
                27 October 2025 15: 09
                Well, you, enemies of the USSR, have proven that “mincemeat can be turned back”, returning capitalism to the territory of centuries-old Russia/USSR.
                1. bar
                  -4
                  27 October 2025 15: 13
                  You true communists, of course, know better. I'm not an expert on religious matters and won't discuss them. Our constitution provides for freedom of religion, so you have every right to your own misconceptions.
  5. +12
    27 October 2025 05: 47
    Everyone has pointed out that the start of the Second Military Operation was, to put it mildly, ill-conceived, but it's still continuing in a rather absurd manner. The stated goals of the Second Military Operation are vague. The following was stated (from what I could understand): the liberation of all territories of the new constituent entities of the Russian Federation, complete denazification and demilitarization of the rest of Ukraine, restoration of rights and protection of the Russian language, neutral status for Ukraine, i.e., not joining NATO, and that seems to be it. With the liberation of all territories of the new constituent entities of the Russian Federation, it's clear that this task is solvable. As for the rest, I don't know how our leadership plans to do it, or whether it plans to do it at all.
  6. +9
    27 October 2025 05: 57
    The difference between Ukraine and Russia is significant. Ukraine largely lives by the laws of war. We still harbor the illusion that the war will take place on another territory and will not affect us in any way. In 2014, along with the coup, lustration came to Ukraine. This is when government officials were thrown into the trash, and in their place came guys with strong fists. That same year, the bombing of Donetsk began. And we, on every TV platform, staged debates with people already steeped in Nazism. And since then, Ukraine hasn't sat idly by. This can be seen now, when our own people are engaged in subversive activities against us. We just need to take a realistic look at life.
    1. +4
      27 October 2025 06: 00
      We are still under the illusion that the war will take place on another territory and will not affect us in any way.

      Moscow was attacked today by several dozen enemy UAVs... request so it will touch.
    2. -8
      27 October 2025 09: 25
      The difference is different. Ukraine is being fed; it doesn't need an economy; it's not a country, but a hired gang of Western crooks. Russia is a country; we have an economy, and we fight because we have one.
  7. +15
    27 October 2025 06: 01
    The author is a thimblerigger. Just like everyone else above him. "I twist and turn, trying to confuse."
    It would seem logical that if we are talking about Russia’s victory, then we need to talk about Russia’s economy and production.
    Besides, we need to decide what constitutes a victory. We won three times in Syria, but is it over?
    1. +16
      27 October 2025 07: 10
      Quote: Gardamir
      We won three times in Syria, and now it's over?

      Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it was twice? At least twice they officially declared victory. And never once declared defeat. We were always winning there!
      We're fine. The beautiful Marquise is very happy. Only Bashar al-Assad fled those terrorists to Moscow. And in Moscow, they were discussing the uncertain future of their military bases in Syria with those they had previously bombed.
      1. +1
        27 October 2025 09: 11
        So what? The bases are still in place?
        Why are there bases there?
    2. 0
      27 October 2025 08: 13
      The author's components of victory included everything except the destruction of the top brass of the country.
      1. 0
        27 October 2025 12: 57
        You're overvaluing this "top brass." Destroying them won't achieve anything, since they don't make any decisions there. They'll be replaced by others just like them.
    3. 0
      27 October 2025 10: 01
      They even held a parade to celebrate this...
  8. -2
    27 October 2025 06: 11
    Unfortunately, it won't be possible to win in three years. At least successfully complete this stage with the liberation of Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson from Ukraine. The next stages have different goals and objectives, which will require significant effort and time. Let me remind you that the Russo-Turkish wars for control of the Northern Black Sea region and the right bank lasted almost three centuries and ended with the victory of the Russian state. Therefore, I advise you not to rush into things.
    1. +3
      27 October 2025 10: 25
      Quote: rocet
      Therefore, I advise you not to rush.
      Let's wait until Europe rearms, prepares for war, and the Nazi regime licks its wounds and creates new divisions... Maybe by then we'll have time to carry out new industrialization, and "the women will give birth to more"?
      1. -7
        27 October 2025 15: 41
        You want to "accelerate/expand" the SVO. Right? And to do that, we need to lift some of the gentlemanly restrictions placed on our (officially stated) fraternal people and their life-support infrastructure. Or we can choose not to accelerate anything, but instead advance like a steamroller, as far as our patience allows.
        The first option is a bit cheaper, the second is more moral and spiritual. The Kremlin knows better.
        1. +7
          27 October 2025 19: 27
          Anyone who suggests fighting slowly and leisurely doesn't understand the essence of military operations, doesn't see the negative consequences of dragging out time, doesn't see that the range of weapons supplied to the enemy is only growing, doesn't see that the attacks on our country are intensifying, and our prospects are becoming increasingly foggy and unclear.
        2. +5
          28 October 2025 06: 37
          Quote: rocet
          The Kremlin knows better.
          Of course, they know better... First, they called the coup organizers a junta, saying there was an unconstitutional coup d'état in Kyiv, and then, suddenly, they immediately recognized Banderov's followers and the integrity of Ukraine, but didn't recognize the referendums in Donbas. What was the Crimean referendum any more legitimate? Why couldn't they have supported the "Russian Spring" and used Yanukovych, who we had... Of all the harmful and stupid things they could have done, they did just that. The main thing was to preserve the pipeline and the accounts of our "elite" in foreign banks. So, we have what we have. They squandered all their cards, Crimea automatically became an annexation, and the belated and unprepared SVO was aggression, according to all norms of international law.
          What's happening in this strange "operation" is surprising in many ways, to put it mildly. To expose Russia and the Russian people like this, for the selfish interests of the rich, who have only grown fatter on bloodshed. In fact, Russia is being bled dry, warehouses and arsenals are being emptied, the economy is being ruined, and, most importantly, irreparable losses are being inflicted on our men at the front, storming endless villages. "Grinding"—the "operation" could continue like this for a hundred years. Yes, the Kremlin knows better than anyone why it's necessary...
    2. +5
      27 October 2025 12: 58
      Unfortunately, in 3 years...

      In 4 months it will be 4. There is no end in sight. :((
  9. +7
    27 October 2025 06: 23
    The enemy trampled our land with its Bandera-era paws... KURSK! This will be etched in our memory for a long time!!! People are dying far from Ukraine!!! Is this really all the SVO??? The fifth column is living comfortably... Isn't it time to open our eyes...
    1. +4
      27 October 2025 08: 13
      Isn't it time to open your eyelids....

      "Lift my eyelids: I can't see!" Viy said in an underground voice, and all the evil spirits rushed to lift his eyelids. laughing
      1. 0
        27 October 2025 09: 04
        Quote: parusnik
        "Lift my eyelids: I can't see!" Viy said in an underground voice, and all the evil spirits rushed to lift his eyelids.

        Lift my eyelids: I can’t see! – Viy said in an underground voice – and the whole host rushed to lift his eyelids.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 09: 08
          It makes no difference who raises the wicked eyelids, a host of evil spirits or all evil spirits.
          1. 0
            27 October 2025 09: 18
            Quote: parusnik
            No difference

            Not for the sake of self-interest, but only by the will of the rules of Russian speech:
            Quote: parusnik
            and all the evil spirits rushed to raise

            Quote: ROSS 42
            and all the crowd rushed to rise

  10. +2
    27 October 2025 06: 34
    The situation is somewhat simpler and at the same time more complex:
    The Russian Federation initially decided to conduct the Strategic Military Operation according to the concept of "converting diplomatic successes into military successes," hence the constant "deals" (both overt and covert), the refusal to inflict irreparable damage on the enemy, the cession of strategic initiative to the enemy, and other "elastic red lines."
    Having received an order to wage war against Russia, the Ukraine PMC chose the path of "converting military successes into diplomatic successes." That is, as soon as the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported the military damage inflicted on Russia (real or imagined), Zelensky and the conscious diplomats rushed to demand another package of military and financial aid.
    It's now too late for Russia to divert military resources from the LCS, take a strategic pause on the LCS, and then switch to several months of pounding the Ukrainian rear, attempting, for example, to completely cut off power to the industrial sector, the railways, and the population. Rather, we will see a policy of "converting military successes into even greater military successes," i.e., creating those very "realities on the ground" that will set the tone for diplomacy and form the basis for negotiations.
  11. +16
    27 October 2025 06: 36
    Quote: rocet
    The Russo-Turkish wars for control of the Northern Black Sea region and the right bank lasted almost three centuries and ended with the victory of the Russian state. Therefore, I advise you not to rush into things.

    Then, for 3 centuries, we will fight again for what we gave to the enemy with our own hands... request It's actually pretty cool.
    A bunch of stupid Russian rulers have thrown the country back three centuries into the past...that's great, of course. am
    1. +1
      27 October 2025 14: 08
      You're being optimistic. It looks more like a throwback to the late 16th century...
  12. +10
    27 October 2025 06: 39
    First, we need to honestly admit what we've achieved over the past three years. The Ukrainian enemies of the USSR provided data on the percentage of their territory they lost over the past three years, and our enemies of the USSR couldn't refute it, other than saying, "You're lying."
    And the trend is such that, according to our statistics, weapons production is falling sharply, and the military itself is saying and writing about what kind of contingent is coming to fight now.
  13. +12
    27 October 2025 06: 49
    So, part of the generation was knocked out, so what?
    Did the lights go out in Zelensky's bunker? No.
    Have Ukrainian guns become less effective? No.
    Etc.
    The situation is unfortunately dire for us in terms of strategy.
    The existing means cannot fundamentally solve this problem with non-brothers.
    The only option is to mobilize, say, half a million troops and open a second front from the Belarusian border to Kursk, stretching the enemy's resources. This would, in theory, speed things up...
    Liberate the entire left bank. Then we'll see what happens next.
    In general, all these bravura reports are getting on my nerves. Honestly. The enemy is still about 35 kilometers from Donetsk, but the reports are all excellent...
    1. +9
      27 October 2025 08: 35
      No matter how many soldiers with Kalashnikovs you bring, they'll all be killed by drones. What's needed isn't a mobilization of soldiers, but a mobilization of billions for the military-industrial complex.
      1. +2
        27 October 2025 08: 38
        Yes. I meant the situation along the line of contact, to extend it along the entire length from Belarus to Kharkov.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 11: 21
          Mobilized troops still need to be trained and armed, and not just with small arms. Whether the emergency reserve depots have the equipment for this is a question. They've now started striking energy facilities. This is certainly necessary. But I think the priority should be fuel storage facilities and supply routes. The equipment will be in carts, and you won't be able to fight on foot.
          1. +1
            27 October 2025 19: 35
            So far, I see one clear direction - increasing the production of UAVs and increasing the number of operators for them. This is where we need to mobilize our resources, both human and technical.
      2. -2
        27 October 2025 09: 42
        No matter how many soldiers with Kalashnikovs you bring, they will all be killed by drones.

        Yeah, right. So how is the front advancing now if the drones killed everyone? After all, small infantry attacks are currently underway against the landing sites. I don't dispute that there are areas where infantry can't advance, but not everywhere. And what about storming cities? A lot of infantry is needed there in any case. And those who say mobilization won't help are just worried about their own asses getting burned. Just write down directly that you don't want to fight and won't, and then no one will ask you.
        What is needed is not the mobilization of soldiers, but the mobilization of billions for the military-industrial complex.

        Both are needed, but there is a catastrophic shortage of personnel.
    2. +6
      27 October 2025 09: 14
      Quote: Antony
      So, part of the generation was knocked out, so what?
      Did the lights go out in Zelensky's bunker? No.
      Have Ukrainian guns become less effective? No.

      Has Russia's economy recovered? Sanctions were lifted, making Russia a full-fledged power? Has Russian funds in European banks been unfrozen? Have embezzlers and Falalei-like officials been eliminated? Has the law become harsh for everyone because it's the law?
      Have they established age limits for civil service and made the incomes of officials and deputies dependent on the minimum wage?
      Sometimes it seems that Russia is destined only to show the whole world how not to live and what not to do.

      Only illness is contagious, health is not; the same is true with error and truth. That is why error spreads quickly, and truth so slowly.
    3. +3
      27 October 2025 13: 02
      There aren't enough weapons to cover what we have, and you want another half a million. You can't fight much with just Kalashnikovs. :((
  14. +11
    27 October 2025 07: 11
    When the Central Military District was just beginning, Colonel General Vladimir Shamanov, deputy head of the State Duma Committee on Civil Society Development and former commander of the Airborne Forces, said in an interview with journalist Oksana Kravtsova that the "demilitarization and denazification" of Ukraine could take five to ten years. Back then, everyone laughed at the combat general, but now it's no longer funny , the forecast is coming true. It will get worse, Tomahawk deliveries reality. Therefore, those in power are sending signals to the United States that they are ready to end the conflict. Kirill Dmitriev, the Russian President's Special Representative for Economic Cooperation with Foreign Countries and head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), went there and stated:
    "I arrived in the United States to continue the dialogue between the United States and Russia—the visit was planned in advance at the invitation of the American side. Dialogue is vital for the entire world and must continue based on a full understanding of Russia's position and respect for its national interests."
    Latest news
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that President Vladimir Putin confirmed Moscow's readiness to work on resolving the conflict in Ukraine according to the American concept.
    The current situation in the Russian Federation does not allow for a 10-year conflict; the Union could have waged war in Afghanistan without much effort.
    1. +4
      27 October 2025 14: 06
      It looks like Putin is ready to accept Trump's ultimatum...
  15. +9
    27 October 2025 07: 33
    So, it turns out, this is what's happening... Ukraine is experiencing small but steady economic growth!!! And if it's steady, does that mean it's gradual growth? Every day we read about arrivals at Ukrainian ports, about Ukraine's main factories, about power plants, about Ukraine's lack of domestic oil and gas—and yet the economy is still growing steadily? So maybe these hundreds of billions of dollars the US is funneling into Ukraine are the reason for Ukraine's much-vaunted steady economic growth. Billions of dollars are being steadily channeled, after all...
    As for Russia, don't think that those responsible for the country's economy are from some other galaxy, different from those responsible for education, culture, and the military. The army woke up in time to check these "non-aliens," and it turns out there were dozens, if not hundreds, of thieves and waiters in the highest headquarters, lining their pockets so that, supposedly, when the days of kissing the buttocks of the West and the US return to Russia, so that the generals wouldn't look like some kind of less-than-counts or less-than-lords, compared to the Ernsts and Mikhalkovs and Konchalovskys, who, for sabotaging Russia with public funds, are being given handshakes in the highest offices, receiving awards of count-boyar status and dignity. After all, Mikhalkov was given an Oscar only because his film "Scorched by the Sun" was cleverly camouflaged anti-Soviet cinema, just like Sholokhov's novel "And Quiet Flows the Don," for which Sholokhov was awarded the Nobel Prize. Well, that's Mikhalkov! And today, Konchalovsky's film "Chronicles of the Russian Revolution" premieres. I assure you that this is such open anti-Soviet cinema and camouflaged hatred of Russia that Konchalovsky deserves the Order of Count-Boyar Dignity in Russia, and the Ministry of Culture is nominating this film for an Oscar. Well, in Russia, they'll definitely give every conceivable film award for this "creation" of the "count-prince-master-boyar" Konchalovsky. And after the end of the Second World War, when, according to the boyar-waiters' plans, they will once again be able to grovel at the West and the United States, they will, in reality, introduce privileged classes of nobility in Russia. Incidentally, Pugachikha will also return to Russia, receiving the title of countess...
    So what about those in charge of the economy, who are expecting a return to Yeltsin's times, how are they any worse than the Ernsts or Konchalovskys? If the Ernsts and Konchalovskys can do it, then why can't these? And what will happen if the times they're expecting return? What will they be called then? The Ernsts and Konchalovskys, the Pugachovs and Ivanovs, who are called Timurs, are clearly counts, but these guys are from the "economy," so they won't be comparable to these counts and boyars.
    1. +1
      27 October 2025 13: 09
      So maybe these hundreds of billions of dollars from North American states are directed to Ukraine

      In fact, this money does not reach Ukraine; it remains in the United States and goes to American companies in exchange for American weapons.
  16. +4
    27 October 2025 07: 54
    The IMF claims that the same figure is in Russia

    The IMF does not confirm anything. Data for the IMF and the UN is provided by national bodies, in our case, from Rosstat. See FSSS Order No. 407 of August 19, 2025. What was provided is what was published.

    Very roughly, nominal GDP is calculated simply: everything sold in the country (goods and services) in rubles is divided by the Central Bank's average annual dollar exchange rate, 92,6 rubles in 2024, resulting in a sum of $2,2 trillion. This is the same GDP as in 2003.
    GDP at parity: everything sold in the country (goods and services) in rubles is "conditionally" divided by the "parity" rate for 2024, 27 rubles per dollar, and GDP at parity is a fantastic 7,1 trillion dollars.
    A Big Mac is certainly cheaper in Russia than in the US, no doubt about it, but buying high-tech products like smartphones or electric cars at a "parity" rate is completely impossible.
    1. -12
      27 October 2025 08: 44
      This immediately raises the question: how much do we need to buy abroad? By and large, everything we need for consumption is produced domestically.
      1. +9
        27 October 2025 09: 18
        Did you write this on a domestic device?
        hi
        For example: Seed fund (+/_), data fluctuates:
        Tomatoes, cucumbers, vegetables in general – 75-80% foreign,
        Sugar beet – 90%,
        Potatoes – 85-90%,
        Corn – 60%,
        1. -11
          27 October 2025 09: 31
          So what? It's not much in terms of money, but we still sell more.
        2. -7
          27 October 2025 09: 48
          Continue.
          In a world where opponents have nuclear weapons, trying to starve them out can result in unpredictable, unacceptable damage. No one's trying to starve North Korea anymore, and they only have a dozen nuclear missiles, at best.
        3. +1
          27 October 2025 12: 00
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          For example: Seed fund (+/_), data hesitate:

          I can't stand watching the Russian language being mangled:
          1. +1
            27 October 2025 15: 12
            Look restlessly, maybe it will help.
  17. -3
    27 October 2025 08: 10
    In my opinion, Ukraine needs to be economically fragmented, i.e., economic ties between regions need to be destroyed.
    First and foremost, we're talking about electricity flows and fuel supplies. Naturally, we need to begin by isolating eastern Ukraine, as the only fuel there is thermal coal from Pavlohrad, brown coal from Denprobas, and some oil and gas from the Dnipro-Donetsk oil and gas field in the Poltava and Kharkiv regions.
    By completely isolating eastern Ukraine from sources of electricity and fuel, we will, firstly, experience an outflow of civilians to the western part of the country, thereby increasing social stratification in the western regions of Ukraine, and secondly, seriously complicate production at enterprises east of the Dnieper.
    It would be expedient to occupy the territory up to the Dnieper between Pavlograd and Orekhovo, thereby eliminating any brown and hard coal mining in eastern Ukraine. Oil and gas production, given that it is located in areas populated by populations not loyal to us, is easier to destroy with bombing strikes.
    Thus, in a short time (approximately six months), we will plunge the whole of eastern Ukraine into chaos and will be able to create the conditions for the beginning of the Ukrainian Civil War.
    1. +2
      27 October 2025 13: 15
      It would be advisable to occupy the territory up to the Dnieper...

      There's an old joke about thieves who break into a store and walk around there, shining flashlights on themselves, and discussing what to take.
      One
      - And here are the boots... And there's trash in them!
      Second
      - Shake out the trash, take the boots...
      First
      - Yeah, shake it out, he's twisting his arms!
      hi
  18. +4
    27 October 2025 08: 27
    Regarding GDP, the figures are a bit odd; Russia's is twice as high in both PPP and nominal terms. Otherwise, it's unclear what to do. All military production in Ukraine consists of assembling drones from foreign components, and the workshops are intentionally located in residential areas! As for attacks on the energy sector, there are the "untouchable" nuclear power plants and the 750 kV distribution stations running off them. And Zelensky and Yermak are still warm – they don't care about the problems of freezing old people. Defeating the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the battlefield requires deep, enveloping operations, but "experts" claim this is impossible. The only option is to destroy the enemy's amassed personnel with artillery and drones, across a broad front – and that inevitably means losses.
  19. +1
    27 October 2025 08: 30
    We can't finish off the country's economy, and that's understandable; everything there relies on external financing. But we can certainly knock out the energy sector. And ENERGY is bigger than the economy; you can't ship it in a freight car or transfer it from the EU on bills.
    Despite all our successes, the internet is still full of Ukrainian comments, which means the power and internet are still working.
    1. +1
      27 October 2025 09: 07
      Those who write these comments will be working on electricity from a diesel generator, and it's not even a fact that it's from Ukrainian territory, but these loudmouths don't care about the problems of the elderly.
      1. -2
        27 October 2025 11: 41
        Quote: Dmitry Eon
        Those who write these comments will be working on electricity from a diesel generator, and it's not even a fact that it's from Ukrainian territory, but these loudmouths don't care about the problems of the elderly.

        I think they're writing their comments from Ukraine. You won't find fools writing comments for 30 hryvnias in Finland, Denmark, or Germany. If the power goes out in the country, you shouldn't be connecting a diesel generator to the data centers, but a mini power plant. They consume energy like a good industry.
        They couldn't care less about the elderly, or about Ukraine itself, Ukrainians, industry, or the entire social sector. But it's easier to think on a cold, empty stomach than sitting in a warm room in Zhmerynka, working on a computer.
        1. +5
          27 October 2025 12: 25
          The fact that you declare all dissenting Russian citizens to be Ukrainians gives away the fact that you are paid bots.
          1. -3
            27 October 2025 14: 08
            Quote: tatra
            You declare all dissenting Russian citizens to be Ukrainians.

            Are you serious, our dissident? Thinking differently from the Russian government, writing nasty things about the SVO fighters, celebrating Dugina's death, and the blowing up of a bridge online—those are all different levels of behavior.
            1. +3
              27 October 2025 15: 04
              What nonsense is this? And stop lying and being hypocritical.
              1. -1
                27 October 2025 15: 24
                Quote: tatra
                Stop lying and being hypocritical.

                Catch me in a lie. You, our industrious one, have started to come up with something.
                1. +2
                  27 October 2025 15: 46
                  What does that nonsense you wrote have to do with me? With all the "freedom of speech" granted to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people by Gorbachev, they have proven that they hate dissenters fiercely, even among themselves, and immediately try to slander, insult, humiliate, discredit, and repress them.
                  1. -4
                    27 October 2025 15: 51
                    Quote: tatra
                    With their "freedom of speech" given to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people by Gorbachev, they proved that they fiercely hate dissenters even among each other, and immediately try to slander, insult, humiliate, discredit, and repress them.

                    Are you sleeping normally? Are you hallucinating? What are you talking about, my dear? Where are you going? Answer the question and don't give me all this nonsense about how I offended you.
                    If you can catch me in a lie, go ahead. And the fact that you were insulted or repressed is none of my business.
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2025 15: 53
                      Enough is enough. The paid bots' lie is to declare all dissenters Ukrainians. And this is all over the internet. This is how you get caught.
                      1. -2
                        27 October 2025 15: 56
                        Quote: tatra
                        The LIE of paid bots is to declare all dissenters to be Ukrainians.

                        Okay, I get it! Good luck! This is probably not the place for you, you need a doctor...
                      2. +3
                        27 October 2025 15: 57
                        Ha, he disappeared when the bot was exposed.
                      3. -1
                        27 October 2025 16: 03
                        Quote: tatra
                        Ha, he disappeared when the bot was exposed.

                        What did you expose? Cite at least one fact. You've come up with a theory about a long-suffering figure who is fiercely hated by dissenters, even among each other, immediately trying to slander, insult, humiliate, discredit, and repress them, and then you're proving something. What have you proven? I called you Ukrainian, are you offended? This isn't the place for you, you need a doctor. He treats persecution, depressive disorders, and delusions of grandeur. You're our village Shorlock Holmes! Don't even think about writing that you're offended by the comparison to a village.
    2. -1
      27 October 2025 13: 18
      But it is quite possible to knock out the energy.

      Unless we fire to kill at the nuclear power plant, it's impossible. Most of Ukraine's electricity is generated by nuclear power plants.
      1. -2
        27 October 2025 15: 26
        Quote from solar
        If you don't shoot at the nuclear power plant to kill, then it's not possible.

        A nuclear power plant can be shut down without bombing the plant itself. There are special substations that help regulate the grid's purity. They assist the plant. One hit and the grid will shut down on its own. A decision must be made here.
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 17: 28
          An emergency shutdown of a nuclear power plant is a highly controversial decision, with unpredictable consequences. This happened in Fukushima, and they tried to simulate it in Chernobyl to test the safety systems. The systems failed in both cases.
          There are special substations that help regulate the cleanliness of the network.

          The same can be done by disconnecting some consumers (primarily those of the third category), which is what is currently being done in Ukraine.
        2. +2
          28 October 2025 12: 36
          You'll pass out, school kids. It's bad luck to go to a Soviet school.
          1. -1
            28 October 2025 15: 36
            Quote: MrFox
            You'll pass out, school kids. It's bad luck to go to a Soviet school.

            I went to a different school and Russian isn't my native language. You're right, there's a mistake.
    3. +1
      27 October 2025 15: 21
      Quote: APASUS
      But ENERGY is more than just economics; it can’t be brought in by freight car or shipped from the EU using bills.

      What about water supply, heat supply, sewerage?
      1. -3
        27 October 2025 15: 47
        Quote: ROSS 42
        What about water supply, heat supply, sewerage?

        That's exactly what I'm talking about. There will be no power and the water will run out, along with the heating.
  20. +1
    27 October 2025 08: 34
    How to win? Invest billions in military-industrial complex reserves in the rear and start fighting for real at the front.
  21. -1
    27 October 2025 08: 37
    I came to the exact opposite conclusion from the article: economically, we cannot survive a confrontation with the West, which means only victory on the battlefield, all resources to isolate the theater of military operations. By the way, when you live peacefully and the war is somewhere else, there is much less motivation to go to the front than when your hometown is being bombed.
  22. +1
    27 October 2025 08: 46
    Ukraine's continuous growth

    The author touched on a good topic, but didn't fully explore it. He also correctly pointed out the excess generating capacity. Considering that they are constantly receiving "humanitarian" assistance for its repair, as well as our inability to destroy their key facilities (hydroelectric and nuclear power plants), strikes against them are untenable. Western allies cover the entire budget deficit.
    In general, things aren't as bad there as they portray on TV and radio. People live and walk in parks. Soldiers undergo rehabilitation in good European sanatoriums. They provide extensive military-technical assistance; just look at the calibers currently used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    But all their successes are only due to the failure of our government.
  23. +3
    27 October 2025 08: 53
    From the title it seemed like it was Mr. Staver, but the style is not his.
    According to the text:
    1. We are confronted not by the economy of the former Ukraine, but by the combined economy of the Anglo-Saxon world and its satellites. No amount of bombing will get to it.
    2. That's it, actually. Building a winning strategy on attempts to destroy something that doesn't exist is absurd. "What's dead cannot die."
    3. What is the correct approach?
    We need to boost our own economy and technology. This requires internal auditing, talent-based appointments, spending controls, combating kickbacks, and restructuring the economy from resource exports to processing and manufacturing real goods.
    To put it simply, you need to work, not cut into the budget.
    Long-term investments are needed, not speculation.
    It is necessary to stimulate development and get rid of parasites.

    It is impossible to simultaneously fight neocolonialism and build a colonial economic structure.

    You can't be free if you sell resources for beads and mirrors.

    If a native voluntarily brings his resources, the white lord will make new weapons from these resources, and will sell the outdated ones to other natives so that they will fight each other and sell him their resources.
    1. +1
      28 October 2025 20: 09
      We need to develop our own economy and technology.
      Who is this "us" for? Without an answer to this question, it's not worth even starting economics and technology.
      1. -1
        29 October 2025 22: 52
        To the patriots of Russia.
        For Russia's enemies, it's the opposite.
  24. +9
    27 October 2025 08: 59
    How Russia can win in the next three years

    Where did you get such deadlines? Why didn't we win three years ago? What is the author planning to destroy? Ukraine's economic potential? Come on... Raise a hand against Ukrainian enterprises owned by Russian oligarchs? I remember, even before the Second World War, Zelenskyy tried to take these assets from Russian oligarchs, tried and tried, but still couldn't get them. The bigwigs explained to the kid what would happen to him. During WWII, American aircraft didn't bomb the enterprises of those German companies where American assets were invested. Do you want to see damage caused to, say, Abramovich? He has contracts with Western partners. Do you want to send the Russian owners of Ukrainian assets packing? Are you pushing them to the curb? Standing by the Ilyin monument and the Yeltsin Center, with an outstretched hand? It seems like the SVO is a Ukrainian version of the Soviet Operation Trust. They planted disinformation, not without the help of the president's Ukrainian relatives, about how everything would collapse in Ukraine when Russia sent in its troops. They were cautious, cautious for eight years, signed deals, and then... You want to climb the Christmas tree and have some fish and beer, and dine there. Will it work?
    1. +5
      27 October 2025 10: 04
      One can only guess about the real goals of the SVO.
      1. +4
        27 October 2025 10: 13
        Yes, all this has long been clear. Someone decided to take revenge on those who overthrew the one they considered their puppet. Everything else is propaganda for the enemies of the USSR, who believe their propaganda in everything, starting with Perestroika.
        1. +1
          27 October 2025 12: 07
          Isn't it easier that way?
          All this has long been clear. Someone decided to take revenge on those who overthrew their protégé. The rest is simply lies for the enemies of the USSR—those who believe any propaganda, starting with perestroika.
      2. +2
        27 October 2025 10: 13
        It doesn't matter what the true goals were, are, or remain. The main thing now is to get out of this situation with the least moral losses. Somehow, the face of the great and mighty must be preserved.
        1. +9
          27 October 2025 10: 22
          Well, how to get out...
          They will say that they were deceived again and will raise our retirement age again.
        2. +3
          27 October 2025 12: 12
          Quote: parusnik
          The main thing now is to get out of this situation with the least moral losses...

          It won't work... The moral losses will be aggravated by material damage...
          Quote: parusnik
          Somehow the face of the great and mighty must be preserved.

          Allow me to ask in order to increase education:
          - Who is this great and powerful one?
          1. +7
            27 October 2025 15: 56
            - Who is this great and powerful one?

            The Russian Federation, of course. It has the second-largest economy in Europe, the fourth-largest in the world. Its army and navy are unparalleled. People line up to be friends. The world suffers from Russian sanctions. The collective West will lick your heels, not the fire. wink
            But seriously, our turbopatriots believe that the Russian Federation, great and powerful as the USSR, at the same time, they hate the USSR with every fiber of their being.
            1. +4
              27 October 2025 15: 59
              And one of the reasons is the inadequately inflated self-esteem of the enemies of the USSR, because of which they seriously imagined that they were better than the Soviet communists and their supporters, and better than all the enemies of the USSR who had seized the remaining republics of the USSR.
              1. +2
                27 October 2025 16: 01
                And one of the reasons is an inadequately high self-esteem.

                Of course ... love
              2. +5
                27 October 2025 16: 21
                Quote: tatra
                the inappropriately inflated self-esteem of the USSR's enemies, which led them to seriously imagine that they were better than the Soviet communists and their supporters


                ...and they try to convince Russians that they're the cream of the nation by awarding innocent people and bestowing titles on them. But in reality, it's just...scum.
            2. +5
              27 October 2025 16: 17
              Quote: parusnik
              ...our turbopatriots believe that the Russian Federation is great and powerful, like the USSR, while at the same time they hate the USSR with every fiber of their being.

              The quintessence of the message... good
      3. +3
        28 October 2025 06: 55
        Quote: Million
        One can only guess about the real goals of the SVO.
        It's possible, given all the sanctions, grief, and suffering, according to Forbes, the number of billionaires in Russia has only grown. The main thing is, the Soviet Union wasn't destroyed, and capitalism wasn't adopted, so the bourgeoisie could make Russia stronger. They've already been pumping resources out of the country and moving assets to the West, and they continue to do so. Now, they just need to deal with the main Soviet legacy: the strategic nuclear forces. And if they're lucky, they'll be welcomed into the bourgeoisie's embrace once and for all, with "cookies" and "jam" thrown in. What if they wipe out conventional weapons, leaving only "new tactics" on mopeds and the last nuclear trump card? What will they choose against a rearmed NATO and the mobilized economies of Europe and the US, while they're all in the West, with their palaces and bank accounts? So, one can only guess...
  25. bar
    -3
    27 October 2025 09: 12
    It's strange to read discussions about the economy of a country financed by Western money and compare it to Russia's. To be fair, Russia's economy should be compared to at least the economy of the entire EU, with which we are actually at war. And 404 is just a rag doll, put on their hands. The West is using this doll to bait us like a dog, and the author seems to be buying it, speculating on it and pretending there's nothing more to it. You can tear the doll to shreds, but it won't change much.
    1. -6
      27 October 2025 09: 29
      I agree. Ukraine isn't a country. It has no economy. This article is pure nonsense for the feeble-minded.
    2. +4
      27 October 2025 09: 35
      It is strange to read discussions about the economy of a country that exists on Western money, and a comparison of this economy with the Russian economy.

      The strange thing about this is that they and we have "our" ideas about the economy...
      Look at the news headlines - "We're ahead of the rest of the world...", but in reality - if CHINA turns its back on us, then we ourselves can do almost nothing...
      Therefore, "their world" is invested in them, and China is invested in us... and then, on terms no less favorable than those "they" invest in the outskirts...
      The main problem, voiced by the author, is that we do not recognize this as a war, trying to live a peaceful life...
      i.e. we deceive ourselves
      1. bar
        -3
        27 October 2025 09: 40
        If China turns its back on them, they'll be in trouble too. China is the world's factory; there's no escaping it. There's probably not a single country left on the planet that's completely self-sufficient and independent of others. The global division of labor didn't begin yesterday, but centuries ago.
        1. +4
          27 October 2025 09: 51
          If China turns its back on them, they will suffer too.

          I don't care how things are with them
          I'm worried about how we are doing
          1. bar
            0
            27 October 2025 09: 54
            I agree. But you need to look at life more broadly, without shrinking into yourself. This helps you find a way out of your current situation.
      2. +5
        27 October 2025 10: 18
        So the "leader" doesn't recognize this, and even represses people for even using the word "war." And he's so happy, cheerful, laughing, joking, as if none of this is happening to him.
      3. +1
        27 October 2025 13: 28
        "We are ahead of the rest of the world...", but in reality - if CHINA turns its back on us, then we ourselves will be able to do almost nothing...

        Oral Russian folk wisdom, with its characteristic simplicity, describes this situation as follows:
        In words you are Leo Tolstoy, but in reality you are a simple ***

        :(...
    3. -1
      27 October 2025 10: 16
      Enough of the show-off already. All the enemies of the USSR who seized the republics of the USSR have the same "economy"—parasitism due to what they got for free from the USSR, imported food and manufactured goods, and the work of foreign firms.
  26. +3
    27 October 2025 09: 18
    An interesting article, although today, when I was getting ready for work, I saw on the news an excerpt from an interview with Mr. Lavrov in a Hungarian media outlet, where he said that we/they recognize the independence of Ukraine; at least, that was the translation of his English words, since that was the language in which he gave the interview.
    1. +1
      27 October 2025 09: 25
      he said that we/they recognize the independence of Ukraine

      As they say, the first one to go, what else do we recognize/not recognize? laughing Like "give back the goose (Crimea), we won't touch the rest" (we'll return them) (c) cartoon "Winter Quarters of the Beasts".
  27. -1
    27 October 2025 09: 51
    How to win—grind, grind, grind. Maybe all the enemies will be pulverized, maybe not, "no one will tell you that." Headquarters isn't obligated to report to you, they know better. There's another option, flyboy, but that's not our method.
  28. +11
    27 October 2025 09: 55
    Nearly four years of war have demonstrated the Russian army's inability to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, achieve victory, and conclude peace on its own terms. This forces a compromise mediated by the United States and reveals the US attitude toward Russia. Against this backdrop, the US attitude toward China is strikingly different. At a minimum, the US recognizes China as an equal adversary, hence its attitude. Trump dropped all pressing matters, of which there are a ton, and rushed to South Korea for the ASEAN summit to meet with Jinping. The foundation of US power is the dollar, and according to media reports, the People's Bank of China has connected its cross-border settlement system to 10 ASEAN members and six Middle Eastern states, undermining the existing financial mechanism dominated by the US banknote and Swift, and with it, US global dominance. Trump understands the potential consequences and dropped everything, lifted sanctions, all for the sake of meeting with Jinping.
    1. +3
      27 October 2025 10: 20
      Nowadays, even Russia's nuclear baton doesn't particularly frighten anyone. It's in the wrong hands. Remember the Suez Crisis of 1956, I think, when the USSR declared that if Anglo-French-Israeli troops weren't withdrawn from Egypt... So, let's hit them with a nuclear baton. They believed it, and they withdrew.
    2. +5
      27 October 2025 14: 04
      Four years have demonstrated the inability of the current peripheral oligarchic capitalist system to adapt to a military framework. The army is not a key player here. The elite continues to live in the past and dream of Western partners, which in itself contradicts the instinct for self-preservation. In the rear, there is disarray and instability, further fueled by migrants, whose problem is being swept under the rug.
  29. +3
    27 October 2025 10: 12
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: AAK
    I wonder who would have conveyed to our President that he needs an iron political will, that he needs to purge the liberal-globalist fifth column, and above all in his immediate circle and the highest echelons of power.

    Who would confront the president with the fact (the dilemma) that he cannot simultaneously fight the Nazis and lead this fifth column that has infiltrated all branches of government...
    What did the so-called "fifth column," undoubtedly represented by a certain Chubais, achieve "notoriety" for? It was that their activities were, in fact, sabotage, destroying the Russian state.
    First, it's necessary to create a law enforcement agency with broad powers and reporting directly to the president, so it's clear who's responsible for the mess. The president's immunity should be stripped if his or her actions are deemed unconstitutional (causing clear harm to the people of Russia, including the failure of demographic policy).
    You can't build a state where no one is held accountable for anything, and where those who are sabotaging the state (enemies of the Russian people) are given the opportunity not only to flee but also to withdraw all their capital... And, of course, pension payments to such figures should be terminated by court order... So that we don't have new Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, and... yes, yes, yes, Chubais...

    Just say it like that? =))) I think whoever says that can go to jail themselves.
  30. 0
    27 October 2025 10: 28
    A contradictory article. On the one hand, Ukraine's GDP growth and high living standards, on the other, declining electricity generation, mass labor migration, and the economy being supported by foreign investment. Where's the logic?
    Well, the proposals for victory are completely out of whack... Even if we stop spending on the offensive and pour all the money into... where? Production of anything can't be increased suddenly; it always grows at a certain rate, simply because for it to grow, new equipment must first be found, installed, and launched, additional workers must be recruited, and additional materials and components must be found. Here's a clear example: in 2023, trillions were poured into government programs to expand production, and what did it lead to? Increased inflation and a labor shortage. Production couldn't absorb the allocated funds so quickly, and the result is obvious.
    1. +2
      27 October 2025 13: 38
      On the one hand, Ukraine's GDP growth and a high level of well-being of the population, on the other hand, a decline in electricity generation and a massive exodus of the workforce

      The primary emigration is among the unemployed—women, the elderly, and children. Men emigrate in much smaller numbers.
      1. 0
        29 October 2025 09: 49
        So the departure of the "non-working population - women, the elderly, and children" sharply increases the well-being of those remaining and indicates an increase in GDP?
        1. 0
          29 October 2025 13: 13
          So you wrote about the departure of the "workforce." But it was mostly non-workers who left.
  31. +1
    27 October 2025 10: 45
    We can recall the foreign debt of the United States. And yet, they live happily ever after.


    It's a clever comparison between a microbe (Ukraine) and an elephant (the United States). The United States prints the dollar, the world's main currency. And no one will hold the United States accountable for its debt, nor will anyone impose sanctions against it for political pressure. Therefore, its debt can grow for many, many years without consequences.
  32. +7
    27 October 2025 11: 02
    Ukraine will survive in any case. It relies entirely on external support—that's understandable, but the financial flow into it is certainly greater than Russia's. No one will give Russia even 100 million. It would be an unprecedented historical precedent, when a country with resources and a population three times larger than its opponent loses outright. The entire burden has already fallen on the shoulders of ordinary Russian workers. In Germany, the population receives state subsidies for gas, while here they're already discussing how the unemployed can purchase compulsory medical insurance at their own expense. But the number of billionaire officials is growing exponentially.
  33. -3
    27 October 2025 11: 14
    Foreign aid to Ukraine, which has exceeded $100 billion since 2022... covered 70 percent of the budget deficit... purchasing power, is about $14,000

    There are several questions regarding the presented economic analysis.
    1. What kind of GDP growth can we talk about if the budget is formed through external financing?
    2. Since all the money from the West is provided to Ukraine only to cover military expenses and to wage war, then what kind of per capita consumption of $14000 per person can we talk about!?
    A little calculation:
    According to estimates, approximately 20 million people remain in Ukraine. Taking into account the $14000 declared for consumption, total consumption expenditures amount to $280 billion.
    According to the 2025 budget (TASS data https://tass.ru/ekonomika/22525587), Ukraine's revenues amount to 2,33 trillion hryvnias (approximately $56 billion), and expenditures amount to 3,94 trillion hryvnias ($95,5 billion). The budget deficit is 1,55 trillion hryvnias ($39,5 billion), or 19,4% of GDP. Defense spending amounts to 2,22 trillion hryvnias ($53,8 billion), or 26,3% of GDP.
    So what do we get in the end? What kind of per capita consumption of $14000 per person can we talk about with such a budget and budget deficit?
    Can someone explain where, with such a budget, consumption in Ukraine could come from at $14000 per person!?
    It looks like they're trying to sell us something really wrong again...
    1. 0
      27 October 2025 14: 11
      Can someone explain where, with such a budget, consumption in Ukraine could come from at $14000 per person!?

      Don't confuse the state budget with the budget of the entire national economy, which includes the state budget, the budgets of commercial enterprises, and the budgets of households. Of course, all these budgets are interconnected through orders, subsidies, and the transfer of funds through wages to and from households.
      Of course, GDP growth without European and American budget financing would be impossible and there would be a decline in GDP.
      In short, the article is economically illiterate.
      1. -1
        27 October 2025 14: 31
        Don't confuse the state budget with the budget of the entire national economy.

        Well, it doesn't happen that in a bankrupt state the citizens of that state are rolling in cheese, and even in butter, it doesn't happen!
        Ukraine has long been bankrupt. Therefore, Ukrainians, with a 2024 GDP of $190,7 billion, cannot live better than, say, China, with its per capita income of $13122 in 2024 and a GDP of $18744 billion.
        So, either Yevgeny Fedorov's article has some problems with the figures, or the GDP statistics for Ukraine and China require serious scrutiny, and Ukraine has long since surpassed China in GDP...
        1. 0
          27 October 2025 14: 40
          So, either there is something wrong with the figures in Yevgeny Fedorov’s article, or the statistics on Ukraine and China’s GDP require serious verification,

          Yes, 14000 is probably right, but that figure doesn't entirely reflect citizens' consumption. It also includes weapons production, which citizens don't eat or use, and electricity production, which citizens use less than industry, and a million other things. This is used to assess the capabilities and strength of the state, not individuals. A family's well-being is measured by its budget.
          1. 0
            27 October 2025 14: 58
            Fedorov's article says
            GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power parity is about $14,000

            If we calculate Ukraine's per capita income based on a GDP of $190,7 billion and a remaining population of 20 million, the figures are simply stratospheric: everyone living in Ukraine is richer than any Chinese person in China or any European in Europe, not to mention residents of the United States...
            So, something in this system is not calculated correctly.
            But they all have one thing in common: a resident of a bankrupt country can't live in clover. It just doesn't happen. Otherwise, economics would have to be completely upended...
            1. 0
              27 October 2025 17: 55
              So, something in this system is not calculated correctly.

              You'll laugh, but Ukraine's GDP includes transfers from migrant workers to their families abroad, as well as subsidies to the foreign aid budget, which amount to tens of billions. I don't know if loans received are included.
              1. +1
                28 October 2025 09: 27
                Ukraine's GDP includes amounts transferred by migrant workers to their families from abroad, as well as amounts of subsidies to the foreign aid budget, which amount to tens of billions

                Well, if that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine's GDP and per capita income surpass those of Russia and China combined. Then the GDP and per capita income of the Balts should also grow, since their budgets are also 50% based on European subsidies.
    2. -1
      27 October 2025 15: 36
      Quote: The Truth
      According to estimates, there are currently about 20 million people left in Ukraine.

      Lies. 35 million, at least.
      1. 0
        27 October 2025 16: 11
        Lies. 35 million, at least.

        Sorry, I made a slight mistake.
        Here are the latest figures:
        1. According to the State Migration Service, the registered population is approximately 28,7 million people.
        2. Verkhovna Rada deputy Oleksandr Dubinsky: by early 2025, Ukraine's population could have fallen to 21 million people.
        3. 21 million people is not the limit. Now another 5-10 million will flee, and how many will be left then!?
        Lies. 35 million, at least.

        Before writing "lies", first answer the question: whose is Crimea!?

        1. -1
          27 October 2025 19: 18
          Quote: The Truth
          First answer the question: whose is Crimea!?

          No problem. Just think about it logically first. With a population of 21 million, young men aged 18 and over would already be swarming to the front. But this hasn't happened yet. The conclusion is that the Bandar-logs still have enough of the available meat in the country, which is roughly 10% of the total population—roughly 2,5-3 million men. Therefore, alas, there isn't the kind of exodus many would like.
          1. -2
            28 October 2025 09: 29
            You've been told,
            Before writing "lies", first answer the question: whose is Crimea!?

            So follow this rule, and then write here!
            Otherwise, there are a lot of Bandar-logs here, their assistants and CIPS people writing all sorts of nonsense.
            1. 0
              28 October 2025 09: 51
              Quote: The Truth
              Otherwise, there are a lot of Bandar-logs here, their assistants and CIPS people writing all sorts of nonsense.

              Are you talking to yourself?
              1. -3
                28 October 2025 09: 53
                You are told
                Before writing "lies", first answer the question: whose is Crimea!?

                Read carefully what is written, and then you will not ask idiotic questions.
                1. +3
                  28 October 2025 09: 58
                  Quote: The Truth
                  Read carefully what is written, and then you will not ask idiotic questions.

                  Where and by whom? I'm not in the habit of reading the signs on the fences.
                  1. -5
                    28 October 2025 10: 06
                    The Bandar-log bastards and CIPSO members have proliferated here. But never mind, there'll be a way to deal with you, these bastards. I hope our FSB counterintelligence will take an interest in a certain Prometey (Sergey), who's been scribbling all sorts of nasty things here.
                    1. +2
                      28 October 2025 10: 13
                      Quote: The Truth
                      The Bandar-log bastards and CIPSO members have proliferated here. But never mind, there'll be a way to deal with you, these bastards. I hope our FSB counterintelligence will take an interest in a certain Prometey (Sergey), who's been scribbling all sorts of nasty things here.

                      Excuse me, but have you seen a psychiatrist lately? Go see one, otherwise life will become increasingly difficult for you. You're showing the first signs of schizophrenia. And before you start crowing, check out when I registered on the website.
  34. -10
    27 October 2025 11: 27
    Why are there so many Navalny heirs? I don't think there were any before.
  35. +4
    27 October 2025 11: 57
    In the current circumstances, shifting the focus to destroying Ukraine's economic potential as the foundation of its military power could be quite effective.

    This would be the worst possible strategy for Russia. The basis of Ukraine's economic potential, today and in the near future, lies outside its territory. The EU and the US are capable of compensating for all potential economic losses to the Kyiv regime, as they have been doing for over three years. Figuratively speaking, the West is already keeping the Kyiv regime alive in intensive care. At the same time, a blow to Russia's economy will intensify the effect of sanctions, but Russia has no external economic base and is not getting anything for free.
    We must free ourselves from the illusion of understanding, compromise, and frozen conflict. Everyone can already see what these illusions led to in 2014.
    There's only one way out: the complete mobilization of the people, the economy, and society as a whole for a swift military victory and the unconditional surrender of the Kyiv regime. Even if time is wasted now, as in 2014, in three years the alternative could be nuclear war or capitulation.
    1. +3
      27 October 2025 20: 11
      Well done Bulgarian, you wrote it correctly.
  36. +10
    27 October 2025 12: 14
    In general, everyone thinks of himself as a strategist...
    And during this time, they have declared everything to Ukraine and to us: “Tie up your authorities and drag them to us,” and “surrender, because everyone around you is surrendering,” “we will grind everyone down, and soon there will be no people left there,” “we will cut down the networks and they will all freeze in the winter and dry up in the summer.”
    Now it's new: "We'll hit the economy, and inflation will destroy them."

    For now, the only real answer is: "The guy caught the bear, but the bear won't let him go" (not quite correct, but close), and from the Kremlin: "Go help drag the bear." That is, empty your pockets, we need to fly to the Emirates to party, finish building Gazprom's skyscrapers, raise the golden salaries of MPs and officials, and generally "help the talented, effective, child managers."

    That is, in blah-blah - the usual promising PR like "Mars by 2019, the Moon by 2015", but in reality it is an imperialistic reality, where the rich get richer....
  37. -8
    27 October 2025 12: 25
    Fifty countries are fighting against us, and Putin, as he said when pressed for an answer to the red lines, said, "That's without me." Supreme Commander-in-Chief. I'm tired of writing the same thing over and over again; we need a stencil saying, "Europe must be destroyed." We need to paste it under every article. Karaganov's already worn out his tongue talking about it, and I'm at my wits' end. Europe must be destroyed—it's the direct path to security and peace.
    1. +2
      28 October 2025 16: 15
      50 countries are fighting against us

      It wouldn't be too much trouble to list the countries that have declared war on you. Or did you miss a pill?
  38. +5
    27 October 2025 12: 29
    The enemies of the USSR have already stopped being hypocritical and dividing the people there into "them" and "us," whom they supposedly wanted to "save" by starting all this. Now everyone there is "them."
  39. -4
    27 October 2025 13: 04
    Bullshit. What economic growth is there in Ukraine? What's growing there? Ukraine is deeply in debt, and a third of its budget revenue comes from foreign borrowing. It's worth at least comparing the ruble and hryvnia exchange rates against the dollar before the start of the Second World War and now. And yes, even according to official Ukrainian data, the average salary is currently around 26 hryvnias (less than 60 rubles).
  40. +3
    27 October 2025 13: 17
    People are tired of this strange nonsense... judging by the loss... a full-fledged war without declaring it. No one understands what victory means in this action... I'm afraid those at the top are unaware. It's easy to start military action... but how to end it without losing one's image... And without the unconditional defeat of the enemy... declaring the deal with the US a victory... God alone knows.
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  42. -6
    27 October 2025 14: 03
    win in the next three years

    Under the current circumstances, fighting for another three years would be a near-disaster for the Russian economy. Our main enemy isn't Zelenskyy, Ukraine, or the North-Eastern Front, but Western Europe. And that's the starting point. Of course, we need to fight on the border, but if Europe increases its assistance, we'll continue to advance at a rate of 10 meters a day, and that will be very painful for us. And Europe, along with the United States, is interested in unlimited support for the military action.
    What should we do? A nuclear strike on western Ukraine is unavoidable. At the same time, we need to strike with conventional weapons against supply bases in Poland, Germany, and England. And tell them: Do you want a nuclear strike?
  43. +4
    27 October 2025 14: 16
    Quote: Eugene_4
    This is one of the factors why we were not met there with flowers.
    What could our country offer to Ukrainians?
    Economic growth? Replace your oligarchs and bosses with our own? See with your own eyes how migrants commit lawlessness? See the irreplaceable, merged bureaucratic-business-security-criminal clans of in-clandestine cabals?

    In short, we won’t be able to defeat them until we restore order at home.
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  45. 0
    27 October 2025 16: 15
    Dreams are dreams... The West gives the dancers 60 billion a year, that's from everyone together, of which probably 6-7 billion are our dividends. Let's do the math: the West's GDP is about 60 trillion, but they give out less than 60 billion, which is less than 0,09% of that total. No problem at all. Now they'll steal our reserves—we could burn them for 5-6 years. They'll find the money for the war, no matter what. But the people are more complicated—about 7 million have fled, 1,5 million have died, disappeared, and been discharged—that's not something you can easily replace. But as long as there are still enough people, they'll keep fighting; the order hasn't been cancelled.
  46. -6
    27 October 2025 16: 24
    Strange Ukrainians People. They write such nonsense in the holy confidence that someone will believe them. I'm surprised they haven't defeated us yet on this site. Russia is great and Victory will be ours.
    1. +9
      27 October 2025 16: 48
      Another one. Bots don't even try to encrypt.
      1. -4
        27 October 2025 17: 10
        Yes, Russia will be magnified
        May our names perish.
      2. +7
        27 October 2025 21: 24
        Today's patriotic zealots can't cope anymore. There are too many people dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. I wouldn't be surprised if they're twinks.
  47. +2
    27 October 2025 18: 48
    I read it and for the first time, Valentin Sergeevich Zorin came to mind—a Soviet and Russian historian and Americanist, television presenter, journalist, and political commentator for Central Television and All-Union Radio. He holds a Doctor of Historical Sciences.
    This is the first time that SUCH a well-written article has been published on the topic "Our Time!"
    Thank you Evgeny Fedorov!!!(((
  48. 0
    27 October 2025 19: 25
    (I'm dubbing)
    From the author:
    As a result, the enemy's economic growth rate may well be higher than Russia's.
    I disagree with the comparison. The enemy's entire economy is focused on its military program, while Russia's takes into account many other components, with varying return periods (long-term investment programs). The Russian government, no matter how much we criticize it, is trying to support many areas—from innovation in the aviation and space industries to the social development of Russian cities. Therefore, directly comparing the GDPs of the two countries is incorrect. But that's beside the point.
    From the author:
    The minimum possible combat activity for a given period is organized on the fronts, and all freed up resources (and there will clearly be a lot of them) are reoriented to long-range strikes and a naval blockade of enemy ports.
    The logic is sound. Even the first Microsoft strategy games demonstrated that by overwhelming the enemy in resources and production, victory could be achieved with relatively little force.
    But I'd also like to add something regarding economic measures in Russia itself and ways to overcome the domestic economic recession that has emerged and is expected in the near future. There is talk of cutting spending on social programs and a budget deficit for next year, according to conservative estimates, of 6-8 trillion rubles. In my opinion, these difficulties should not be used as an excuse to cut vital spending, but as a reason to change the production model and find ways to improve its efficiency. Not by cutting wages, but through gradual robotization and automation, and increased energy efficiency in production itself and associated ancillary components (production assets). Thus, reducing production costs by 5-10% will provide the country with the missing 1-3% of GDP.
    To implement this strategy, each enterprise must draw up a plan for priority measures for the first and second quarters of 2026, calculating the economic impact, and implement these programs within the appropriate timeframes.
    Of course, by examining in detail the entire chain of a particular production, something can be improved or changed in order to achieve the main goal.
    Ps: Our intelligence is our strength!
  49. +7
    27 October 2025 19: 26
    Guys, there are so many comments here describing our super-duper geostrategist. Will this article be deleted?
  50. -1
    27 October 2025 20: 23
    To win, briefly and to the point:
    1. Fight according to all the canons of war, taking off the "white gloves".
    2. Show political will and courage, call a spade a spade, and don't drown it in Eastern ornateness...
    3. Refuse various "gestures of goodwill"...
    4. Transfer the country's economy and finances to a "war footing".
    5. Free the State from the “fifth column” at all levels of the State Governance System.
    6. Demonstrate determination, firmness, and steadfastness in defending one's interests in the international arena, including certain military-economic "movements"...
    7. Finally, announce to the Russian population the STRATEGIC plans for Russia’s development...
    P.S. Perhaps this is necessary, but not sufficient, under the conditions of Russia's capitalist "structure"... Russia's presence in the "friendly family" of capitalist states presupposes certain agreements, deals, with the "family," during the implementation of the Joint Military Operation, hidden from the eyes of Russians, but implemented during military conflicts within the "friendly family," which, in general, is observed during the implementation by Russia of, in essence, a "police operation" in adjacent territory... Although...
  51. -2
    27 October 2025 21: 28
    It's simple: all the ideological and corrupt people will be swept under the rug, through calibers and hazelnut trees (the forest is chopped down, and the chips fly). The slogan "DAM" is in effect; conditions for the outskirts will change for the worse every time. It's time to stop paying tribute in Russian blood.
  52. 0
    29 October 2025 17: 42
    We just need to let the military fight and destroy the enemy's infrastructure.
  53. 0
    3 November 2025 06: 49
    Is GDP per capita based on PPP the same as in Russia? Excuse me, as far as I remember, in pre-war statistics the difference was about 2.5 times.
  54. ayk
    0
    4 November 2025 05: 21
    To defeat Ukraine, we must attack not only from the east but also from the north, towards Sumy, Poltava, Chernihiv, Kyiv, and Lviv. Ukraine is geographically very vulnerable. We voluntarily gave up our geographical advantage. For what reason is another matter. An offensive in the north would require increasing the active army by at least two. This cannot be accomplished without mobilization. Bombing Ukraine's infrastructure is certainly possible, but then, after liberating that territory, we'll have to rebuild it ourselves. Why? An attack on Lviv would cut Ukraine off from Western aid more effectively. Now, why aren't they advancing in the north? They lack the strength. A major mobilization is needed. The Gametos are not advancing for political reasons. The Soviet-Finnish War is currently underway, similar to WWII, and the real war is still to come, when NATO's main adversary enters the war. Therefore, the VPR is taking its time and not forcing events. It's as if you had to run a 42-kilometer marathon, but you started off as if you were running a 2-meter dash. The athlete won't have the strength to last long; he'll quickly run out of steam. The same is true here. A major war lies ahead for about 10 years, quite possibly World War III, and the strength may not be enough. Furthermore, the VPR is waiting for the US to abandon Ukraine and switch to China. This process is already underway. The US has stopped funding Ukraine. Arms supplies are being supplied only with European funding, and in much smaller quantities. We need to look at what's happening not only at the conflict in Ukraine, but at the global conflict between the US and China, which is still two to 10 years away. The conflict in Europe is only part of this standoff. Russia is seeking security for its western borders. It's not something that would harm the fundamental interests of Western countries. Meanwhile, China is competing with the US for global leadership. This is a matter of principle. The US will not easily relinquish its place as global hegemon to anyone.
  55. 0
    5 November 2025 15: 24
    I'll say something unpleasant: the fact is that the current state in Russia is not capable of winning wars or developing the economy. This state has a different goal - to extract profit for its founders.