What's happening to the Russian economy?

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What's happening to the Russian economy?

On October 22, the State Duma passed a bill in its first reading to increase the value-added tax (VAT) from 20% to 22% starting in 2026, while maintaining the preferential 10% rate for socially significant goods. Similar plans were announced back in September, when the Ministry of Finance noted that "thanks to the increase in the VAT rate, additional revenues will be used to ensure the country's defense and security." A special military operation (SMO) is quite expensive and requires significant expenditures.

Along with the rate increase, the number of VAT payers among small and medium-sized businesses is expanding due to the reduction of the income exemption threshold under the simplified tax system from 60 to 10 million rubles. This is being done to increase the share of VAT payers, thereby increasing budget revenues. Exemptions will be retained only for priority industries (manufacturing, transportation, and electronics).



What are the reasons for such steps?


With a growing budget deficit and declining oil and gas revenues, the State Duma approved amendments to the 2025 federal budget on October 22, increasing its deficit to 5,7 trillion rubles, or 2,6% of GDP. Revenues will decrease by almost two trillion rubles, to 36,56 trillion rubles, but expenditures will remain unchanged at approximately 42 trillion. According to the Ministry of Finance, in October 2025 alone, the budget lost 26,9 billion rubles in oil and gas revenues. In September, due to declining oil and gas revenues, the country's budget lost 21 billion rubles.

The situation will worsen further in the near future – yesterday the US Treasury Department imposed new sanctions against Russia (due to the fact that the US and Russia have not yet managed to reconcile their positions and reach an agreement on the Ukrainian issue), which affected two of Russia's largest oil companies – Rosneft and Lukoil. words According to Elena Ustyuzhanina, chief researcher at the Central Economics and Mathematics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the sanctions announced by the US will affect 45% to 55% of all oil production in our country and will lead to a more complex contract chain (and, consequently, a reduction in its cost).

What consequences could all this lead to?

This issue deserves a separate discussion. But first, for readers unfamiliar with economics, it's important to explain what the VAT increase means, and then how it will impact the economy and us.

What does the VAT increase mean?


There's long been talk about Europe's exorbitant taxes, while Russia's are low and favorable. While this was once true, those days are long gone. Currently, taking into account the cost of funding, the burden on businesses in Russia is already comparable to that in Germany (see table).


VAT rates in China, India, the United States, Japan, and South Korea are much lower than in Russia. Russia's VAT rates are close to those of Italy and Slovenia (they also have 22%). Hungary has the highest VAT rate, at a whopping 27%. However, the overall tax burden in Hungary is lower than in Russia, due to lower corporate and payroll taxes.

Moreover, Russia also has a high Central Bank key rate – currently 17% (previously it was 20%). In Hungary, the rate is 6,5%, in China 3,65%, in India 5,5%, in the UK 4,75%, and in the US 4,5-4,75%. Experts note that the cost of funding in Russia is four times higher than the global average.

What does this mean in practice? It means that producing anything significant in Russia is unprofitable because it's easier and cheaper to buy everything you need from, say, China. With such high borrowing costs and tax burdens, it's fundamentally difficult to compete.

Back in June, Alexander Shokhin, president of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP), noted that the Central Bank's high key rate was negatively impacting business and slowing economic growth.

Economic growth is slowing. A quarter of companies surveyed by the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP) stated that their financial situation had worsened, which is also greater than in April. Overall, 30,8% of surveyed enterprises believe that the business climate in the country has worsened over the past month. The high key rate is already negatively impacting company operations. Throughout 2024, demand for companies' products and services remained relatively stable. However, in the first quarter of 2025, things took a turn for the worse: the majority of surveyed organizations—38,4%—experienced a decline in demand, a share that doubled.
- noted Shokhin.

Deputy Director of the Center for Structural Policy Research at the National Research University Higher School of Economics Anna Fedyunina, in turn, notesthat raising the VAT rate will increase pressure on both businesses and consumers, but the magnitude of the effect will be uneven, depending on the industry.

What consequences can this lead to?


Apart from the fact that some small and medium-sized businesses may not be able to survive such pressures in the long term, the most obvious consequence that will affect all citizens is rising prices.

As financial analyst Alexander Denisov notes in comments "Business Online":

These changes will significantly impact both businesses and individuals, as VAT is a tax that is passed on to consumers. Of course, if VAT is increased by 2 percent, the prices of all goods subject to this tax will also increase. It's difficult to say exactly how much these prices will increase. This factor depends on the specific industry and product type.

In turn, financial analyst, author of the “Economism” project Alexey Krichevsky comments MK stated that the decline in budget revenues is not simply temporary financial fluctuations, but a reflection of structural problems. And the consequences of the deficit will also affect ordinary citizens.

Apparently, oil and gas revenue estimates were overly optimistic. Furthermore, taxes are rising, and small businesses are struggling to cope with the fiscal burden. Taxes have already been raised, and businesses will factor this into their prices. Inflation will be higher than official estimates, and the Central Bank is unlikely to lower the key interest rate—the government debt overhang is too high.

The developments in the Russian Federation's economy reflect the complex geopolitical, or more precisely, foreign policy, situation in which Russia finds itself. Increasing sanctions, difficulties accessing international markets, and the need for high military spending—all of this is having a corresponding impact on the economy.

Many sectors of the economy are experiencing a downturn (according to Rosstat, agricultural production fell by 3,2% in 2024, and passenger car production by 25%), and the budget requires additional funds. The ongoing processes were already available in September. explained blogger "Atomic Cherry":

By shrinking the consumer economy, the government is "redirecting" labor force to the sectors it needs—while simultaneously eliminating potential military and economic risks. In short, this is the very "structural mobilization restructuring of the economy" that Russian opinion leaders have so often discussed. Only it's looking completely different from what they imagined.
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  1. +48
    26 October 2025 04: 49
    It's all sad, of course. The decline in oil and gas revenues is being offset by increased burdens on the population and small businesses, instead of imposing additional taxes on those receiving EXCESS PROFITS. Statements like "you can't dip into reserves" are also disturbing... apparently, they can only be successfully transferred abroad, invested in foreign economies, and then frozen, effectively stealing them.
    And what’s most interesting is that no one is to blame, no one was fired, no one was imprisoned... It’s surreal!
    1. +19
      26 October 2025 05: 14
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I'm also concerned about statements like "you can't tap into reserves"...

      Such statements were a trademark of the Russian authorities from the late 2000s until 2022. Indeed, it's impossible to describe this as anything other than sabotage. But now it's not entirely clear which reserves you're talking about. If you're talking about the liquid portion of the National Welfare Fund, it's being spent at a record pace.
      1. +17
        26 October 2025 06: 33
        Quote: Belisarius
        If we talk about the liquid part of the National Welfare Fund, it is being spent at a record pace.

        It's also very useful to talk a lot about the two hundred billion dollars seized in Europe, about the exceptionally astonishing countermeasures, and... just forget about them, as if they've vanished into oblivion...
        1. +14
          26 October 2025 08: 12
          It would be very useful for the state to nationalize both the banking sector and the Central Bank.

          Well, there were only three banks in the USSR. And they survived.

          Banks are the main robbers!
          1. -36
            26 October 2025 09: 01
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            nationalization of both the banking sector and the Central Bank.

            And end up like the USSR? I think a lot of people didn't like the 90s.
            1. +27
              26 October 2025 10: 19
              The USSR didn't end for economic reasons. The corrupted "cadres" decided to become bourgeois, and they "threw a spanner in the works" of the planned economy, which, like clockwork, knows no crises, because money isn't a commodity or an object of speculative play.
              P.S.: in the 90s there was no socialism anymore, only primitive accumulation of capital, outright banditry.
              1. -42
                26 October 2025 11: 10
                "Like a clock"—like a Soviet wind-up alarm clock? Don't you remember how they "threw away the scarce goods"?
                1. +31
                  26 October 2025 11: 21
                  The shortage is the product of the trade mafia, the very same individuals who merged with the rotten party nomenklatura and orchestrated the restoration of capitalism. And most importantly, the economy isn't defined solely by consumer goods.
                  1. -34
                    26 October 2025 11: 26
                    So everything existed, but disappeared before it even reached the shelves? And why did everything go swimmingly under the decadent Western capitalists? Economics is all about consumer goods. It's the consumer, the member of society, who creates added value.
                    By the way, there was a shortage when representatives of the trading mafia were shot.
                    1. +32
                      26 October 2025 11: 49
                      What was the capitalists' way? Free education, housing, and an unlimited number of jobs with guaranteed wages? Unchanged prices for consumer goods for decades? Soviet citizens had everything they needed to survive, and more. Economics is about security and social justice, and philistinism and consumerism are a vice. Throw it away.
                      1. -27
                        26 October 2025 11: 55
                        A prisoner has everything he needs "on the porch," and even a pig in its barn. That's not quite right, is it? And free housing for the poor was being built in England back when Nicholas II was shooting crows.

                        I don’t know from hearsay how people lived in the West when there were shortages in the Soviet Union.
                      2. +7
                        26 October 2025 23: 59
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Free housing for the poor was being built in England back when Nicholas was shooting crows.

                        Surely this housing was built during the time of the fight against vagrancy??? wassat Please enlighten me belay
                      3. -5
                        27 October 2025 00: 33
                        The first housing for the needy (flats) was built in London's Bethnal Green district in 1896, and in 1900 the experiment was deemed a success and expanded to other local governments. This project has nothing in common with workhouses.
                      4. +3
                        4 November 2025 23: 01
                        Such a significant reduction in the annual income threshold for the simplified tax system from 60 to 10, given the existing low margins of small businesses, will simply kill them... That's all.
                        How the rulers intend to increase the birth rate is a question.
                        No, of course there are strange people, for some reason sitting in the Duma, who are convinced that the population is not multiplying because it lives too well... Well, well...
                      5. +2
                        4 November 2025 23: 15
                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        There are strange people, for some reason sitting in the Duma, who are convinced that the population is not multiplying because it lives too well...

                        The population doesn't multiply because it has the opportunity to live well without multiplying. In some Bangladesh, that's not possible, so they multiply. But here, there's always something to want; why put a yoke around your neck? Generally speaking, it sounds something like this:

                        Quote: Strugatsky, Doomed City
                        “And in general, you know what it seems to me?” he said thoughtfully. “As soon as society solves one of its problems, it immediately faces a new problem of the same scale... no, even greater scale.” He perked up. “This, by the way, leads to an interesting thing. In the end, society will face problems of such complexity that it will no longer be within human power to solve them. And then so-called progress will stop.”

                        And no one has yet come up with a way out of this; maternity capital is a crutch for the lame, nothing more.
                      6. 0
                        Today, 09: 35
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        The population doesn't multiply because it has the opportunity to live well without multiplying. In some Bangladesh, that's not possible, so they multiply. But here, there's always something to want; why put a yoke around your neck? Generally speaking, it sounds something like this:

                        Stop repeating what certain media personalities in the Russian media space say without understanding the true nature of things.
                        For you personally and everyone who reads this, I will reveal the true essence of the problem. Pay attention!
                        Food shortages have never led to increased birth rates among any animal. Food abundance has always led to population growth. Why, then, would anyone think it should be any different for humans?
                        People in the hypothetical "Bangladesh" reproduce not because they have nothing to eat (sorry) (What nonsense is this, from the deputies of our Duma!?), they reproduce because they live at a level close to that of an animal, are poorly educated, ignorant and function at the level of simple animal instincts.

                        A highly developed intellect, as well as education, allows a person to analyze the global situation and predict its development. And one who understands the true nature of capitalism—both in its imperialist form and, even worse, in its more modern form of liberalism—understands that humanity has no hope for a bright future.

                        So then explain to such a person why he needs to breed “mortgage-medical-pharmaceutical” slaves for the “World Behind the Scenes”
                      7. -1
                        Today, 09: 43
                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        Stop repeating what certain media personalities in the Russian media space say without understanding the true nature of things.

                        Yes, really. Enough.

                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        Food shortages have never led to increased birth rates among any animal. Food abundance has always led to population growth. Why, then, would anyone think it should be any different for humans?

                        Humans are social animals. And they have a choice—to reproduce or not. Unlike a horse or a timid doe, for example. This is the choice that social humans successfully make: "I'll make a career, then..." or "I'll live for myself, and then, maybe..."

                        Quote: alex-defensor
                        Highly developed intelligence, as well as education, allow a person to analyze the situation in the world and predict its development.

                        Are you talking about yourself, my dear? IMHO, that's beside the point. Please move on, I'm not interested in your thoughts.
                      8. 0
                        Today, 09: 52
                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        Humans are social animals. And they have a choice—to reproduce or not. Unlike a horse or a timid doe, for example. This is the choice that social humans successfully make: "I'll make a career, then..." or "I'll live for myself, and then, maybe..."

                        This is all a consequence of the high level of development and education of the average person you described.
                        With this statement you have not refuted my assertion...

                        Educated and developed people develop interests beyond the exercise of animal instincts. However, this alone can only reduce the need to procreate (compared to the 8-12 birthrate in the Middle Ages). Similarly, a reduction in infant mortality reduces the need for abundant fertility. However, negative demographics stem precisely from the uncertainty of the average person in developed regions about their future and the future of their descendants.

                        Incidentally, this topic was explored quite well in the 2005 comedy-satirical film "Ideocracy." At the beginning, a humorous rationale is given for the science fiction premise underlying the plot. You don't even need to watch the film itself; just watch the opening.

                        Quote: Paranoid62
                        Are you talking about yourself, my dear? IMHO, that's beside the point. Please move on, I'm not interested in your thoughts.

                        Ad hominem attacks are not an argument in a debate, as they don't relate to the subject matter or the essence of the issue. On the contrary, they reflect a lack, or complete absence, of argumentation on the part of the opponent.
                    2. +22
                      26 October 2025 11: 50
                      Well, you, critics of the USSR, have proven how to arrange this vaunted "but now we have everything" of yours - spending colossal amounts of money on purchasing imported food and manufactured goods, poisoning the people with counterfeit and low-quality "products" at high prices.
                      And the real result of your beloved capitalism is that you have ruined all the industries in all the republics of the USSR that you captured, compared to your unloved Soviet planned economy.
                      1. -38
                        26 October 2025 11: 59
                        Irina, when you were "standing" behind the boots, your mother-in-law in France changed cars every three or four years. And the USSR, alas, was simply not viable.
                      2. +25
                        26 October 2025 12: 03
                        Why do you think you, the USSR's enemies, have built a viable state? Or are the USSR's enemies only intelligent enough to repeat the manuals of each other and their puppeteers?
                        And what a parasitic mentality you all have, you have ruined entire industries, and you are seriously proud that you buy low-quality imported Chinese consumer goods.
                      3. -30
                        26 October 2025 12: 09
                        Soviet consumer goods weren't exactly high quality either - living in a small port city, where things brought in by sailors were more common than things produced in the USSR, I could compare.

                        Ensuring the well-being of citizens is a key task of any state.
                      4. +12
                        26 October 2025 12: 10
                        The enemies of the USSR are directly programmed to be AGAINST. I asked about YOUR State, created by you, critics of the USSR.
                        The enemies of the USSR are an anomaly in everything, including the fact that they created their own State 35 years ago, but their entire ideology and propaganda is AGAINST others, and about themselves there is only a choral cowardly whining that they all together and each one individually have “nothing to do” with what they did in this State of theirs, and with the results of their highly paid work.
                      5. -26
                        26 October 2025 12: 13
                        But I didn’t create it - I lived in the Baltics and didn’t have the opportunity.
                      6. +12
                        26 October 2025 12: 15
                        Ha, this is the general ideology of the enemies of the USSR for everything you did, and I have nothing to do with it, and we have nothing to do with it.
                      7. -19
                        26 October 2025 12: 17
                        Are you a friend of the USSR? And what have you done for it?
                      8. +7
                        26 October 2025 12: 19
                        You've engaged in pointless spam. All the best. Even among paid propagandists and paid bots on the internet, 99% of their manuals are not FOR the enemies of the USSR and what they did, but AGAINST others, against what others did.
                      9. -22
                        26 October 2025 12: 20
                        I can simply compare Soviet realities with Western European ones at the same time. And I can draw conclusions.
                      10. +7
                        26 October 2025 12: 56
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I can simply compare Soviet realities with Western European ones at the same time. And I can draw conclusions.

                        Do you also have a boy friend?
                      11. -21
                        26 October 2025 13: 14
                        No, I have a wife—she's a native Western European. I spoke with her parents about this, to find out what the pro-Soviet propagandists lied about (and are lying about). Almost everything.
                      12. +7
                        27 October 2025 00: 14
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        What pro-Soviet propagandists lied about (and continue to lie about). Almost everything.

                        The Westerners are also lying... moreover, they have invented many genders, which is much more terrible than the lie about striving for universal happiness, because this will lead to the extinction of all Humanity.
                      13. -9
                        27 October 2025 00: 40
                        In Russian prisons, they also invent different types of floors out of boredom - and nothing happens, everyone is alive.
                      14. +5
                        27 October 2025 09: 43
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        In Russian prisons, they also invent different types of floors out of boredom - and nothing happens, everyone is alive.

                        And in your prisons?
                        There are no genders in Russian prisons. There are the downtrodden, the depraved, and the perverted. What gender is your wife?
                      15. +1
                        27 October 2025 15: 07
                        Women's. And you? Brief comment.
                      16. +2
                        27 October 2025 13: 31
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        In Russian prisons, they also invent different types of floors out of boredom - and nothing happens, everyone is alive.

                        Not everyone is alive! Out of boredom, people forcibly change genders, but in Europe, this is instilled from childhood by state policy. Distorted notions about the father and mother, a lack of sexual shame, and their consciousness from the very beginning make us incomprehensible to them, and they will never understand us either.
                      17. +1
                        27 October 2025 08: 06
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I have a wife, she is a native Western European.

                        She's got you fooled! You've fallen into a honey trap.
                      18. +7
                        27 October 2025 00: 09
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I can just compare Soviet realities with Western European ones at the same time.

                        Compare Soviet realities before 1970 with those in Western Europe. And take into account the climate. Where a French woman could buy tights, our women were forced to buy fur coats, which are significantly more expensive.
                      19. +2
                        27 October 2025 00: 57
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        lived in the Baltics

                        Why don't you live there now?
                      20. -3
                        27 October 2025 01: 31
                        I don't want to. I live wherever I want. If I get tired of England, I'll go to Holland or Iceland. Or France. Or Portugal, Madeira. Whatever I want. So what?
                      21. +6
                        27 October 2025 02: 52
                        Nothing really. There was a term for it: "cosmopolitan." Wherever you sleep, there's your homeland. In Russian, there's another definition; our oligarch guarantor diplomatically called it "low social responsibility."
                      22. -7
                        27 October 2025 03: 25
                        As they say, it's good where we're not. I can agree - it really is good where you're not. Yes .Checked.

                        The term was something like "rootless cosmopolitan with two passports." So, I send you warm greetings from the banks of the Thames. tongue .
                      23. +3
                        27 October 2025 03: 34
                        Move immediately. That's where he'll be first. It'll be a lousy night's sleep in the land of pirates and slavers. They're in for a real treat.
                      24. -2
                        27 October 2025 03: 49
                        It's going to be bad for everyone. So don't worry (I have contacts in the southern hemisphere). The only consolation is that Putin is much smarter than you, so everything will be fine.
                      25. 0
                        27 October 2025 11: 52
                        What do you mean he's smart and will just give up? He might be smart, but in those places where you're jumping around like a bunny, it looks like complete degradation and fear atrophy.
                      26. +1
                        27 October 2025 13: 44
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Where you are not, it is really good

                        No, it's very good where there are no people like you.
                      27. +1
                        27 October 2025 09: 49
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I live where I want

                        Still can't find a good life?))
                        You feel bad everywhere if you're rushing around))
                        Come to Russia and you'll see for yourself if you've been fooled. You'll see where people live right and honestly.
                      28. +2
                        27 October 2025 11: 38
                        Quote: Rusich
                        You will see where people live correctly and honestly.

                        and there's also no crime and migrants and others from the south are good - after all, people live honestly and correctly... and richly of course, not like there - only beggars, criminals and transgender people... so yes, they've brainwashed him laughing
                      29. 0
                        27 October 2025 11: 56
                        He wasn't fooled. It was said...that's where the homeland is. He's not the first, nor the last. And the fact is that the majority of people in Russia live correctly and honestly. Otherwise, it would have been gone long ago.
                      30. -5
                        27 October 2025 12: 06
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        and there's also no crime and migrants and others from the south are good - after all, people live honestly and correctly... and richly of course, not like there - only beggars, criminals and transgender people... so yes, they've brainwashed him

                        Exactly! After all, there are no migrants in Europe, and if there are, they're respectable, hardworking, and have all assimilated. But in Russia, it's scary to go outside. The store shelves are full, but people don't have the money to buy anything. The yards are empty. You won't see a car outside every house. And, what's more, you'll rarely see anyone on a bicycle. And couriers and delivery people are only seen on TV, and sometimes happy people will talk about them on VO. Theft, robbery, and violence are rampant on the streets. The streets are littered with trash, sewage, and rats, rats with long tails everywhere...
                      31. 0
                        27 October 2025 11: 54
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I don't want to.

                        What's wrong? Uncomfortable? So that's what you managed to create on the ruins of the USSR, which managed to sustain these tri-Baltic states better than any of its other republics. But things were bad for you. Now you're in the EU, so that didn't work out either? So why did you abandon your Baltic-European paradise? laughing
                      32. 0
                        27 October 2025 12: 46
                        Leave England, and remove Russia from your page, even if you were Russian by birth, you are not now, you are them, so you are it without a homeland and a flag.
                      33. +2
                        27 October 2025 13: 41
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        I live where I want.

                        So what's the point of these three Baltic misunderstandings if you don't want to live there? Not only do you not want to live there yourself, but you're also preventing Russians from living there normally. You should all just leave these traditionally Russian territories and go to your own Gayrope.
                      34. +3
                        27 October 2025 00: 05
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Soviet consumer goods weren't exactly high quality either.

                        But our country has the best tanks and Kalashnikov assault rifles! Made for the people!!! And missiles too!
                      35. -2
                        27 October 2025 00: 42
                        I also forgot about ballet. Yes . And Belka and Laika.
                      36. 0
                        27 October 2025 09: 50
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And Belka and Laika.

                        Well, Belka and Strelka...
                      37. +1
                        27 October 2025 15: 08
                        Laika was the first. She remained in orbit.
                      38. +4
                        27 October 2025 08: 01
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Soviet consumer goods weren't exactly high quality either.

                        It may not have been the brightest. But in terms of reliability and quality, it was definitely better than the Chinese junk! Leather shoes lasted for 10 years, and refrigerators were sold almost everywhere in the world.
                      39. +5
                        27 October 2025 11: 47
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Ensuring the well-being of citizens is a key task of any state.

                        You missed one very important word: ALL. All citizens, not just 2% of the population. It's odd, then, that Russia ranks fifth in the world for dollar billionaires, but 49th in median income, behind Mexico.
                        That's all you need to know about the "well-being" of Russian citizens.
                      40. +16
                        26 October 2025 12: 13
                        Of course. Only a system of pure profiteering that lives by the laws of the jungle is viable. The main bourgeoisie of the West created this show precisely because it was the socialist camp, with all its advantages for the common man.
                        You don't have to answer; this argument is pointless. And humanity will eventually arrive at this form of social order. Unless, of course, they're egoists with the "poke your elbow into the person running next to you and be the first to reach them" ideology, they won't be buried.
                      41. -25
                        26 October 2025 12: 16
                        Humanity HAS passed through this form of social order. It's gotten over it. But for some reason, the show-off continues, even though it's unnecessary. Perhaps it's not just show-off...
                      42. +2
                        27 October 2025 00: 16
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Humanity HAS passed through this form of social order. It has recovered from the illness.

                        And Europe is sick with pederasty, at the very peak of the disease!
                      43. -1
                        27 October 2025 00: 38
                        And when will he die? That's where Borya Moiseyev got infected. belay ?
                      44. +1
                        27 October 2025 09: 54
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And when will he die? That's where Borya Moiseyev got infected. belay ?

                        Borya didn't shout about himself and imposed his values. And in your kindergartens, perverts grovel in front of children and turn them into sexless creatures.
                        Do you approve of this?
                      45. +2
                        27 October 2025 13: 20
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And when will he die?

                        When Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris will be called a mosque. A couple of generations and no war.... Borya got infected there, it was fashionable, progressive.
                      46. +4
                        27 October 2025 12: 29
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Humanity HAS passed through this form of social order. It has recovered from the illness.

                        That's unlikely. They simply weren't ready yet. And there were plenty of greedy traitors. But your system, in which 99% of all wealth belongs to one percent of the population, is doomed to failure. Furthermore, capitalism cannot survive without expansion, but resources are finite, and the potential for expansion is running out. That's precisely why we stand on the threshold of the TMV.
                      47. 0
                        27 October 2025 13: 28
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Of course. Only a system of pure profiteering that lives by the laws of the jungle is viable. The main bourgeoisie of the West created this show precisely because it was the socialist camp, with all its advantages for the common man.

                        They haven't been destroying it for long—35 years already? It seems more likely that you're mistaken. In 35 years, they could have destroyed it, built it, and destroyed it again. And they know how to count money—if they hadn't paid them a day longer, they would have closed it down by the end of the 90s at the latest.
                      48. 0
                        28 October 2025 10: 58
                        The standard of living and living conditions in Europe have changed dramatically compared to the 70s and 80s. But society simply won't allow itself to be destroyed. People there react very harshly to the attempts of the freeloader and his government to get into their own pockets. This has to be taken into account. An electrified crowd of a couple of million is serious business. And those who carry out the will of the rich are becoming very uncomfortable.
                      49. +1
                        28 October 2025 11: 27
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The standard of living and living conditions in Europe have changed dramatically compared to the 70s and 80s.

                        Have you been there? Do you know anyone? If it has worsened, it's very minor... I know from first-hand experience... I've talked to a lot and asked questions. What about you? What's changed dramatically? Can you give a few specific facts? And why aren't you excluding EU countries?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The people there respond very sharply to the attempts of the parasite and his government to get into their own pockets.

                        The following conclusions follow from all of this: 1. the proletariat there really has influence and power 2. nothing has changed since the collapse of the USSR... which is what I was saying, that there is much more socialism there today than here...
                      50. 0
                        28 October 2025 11: 33
                        My niece is in Italy, my friend is in Germany. He left back in the Soviet era.
                        And the jobs are disappearing, the prices are skyrocketing, and there is an influx of black people who have to be supported out of their own pockets, and they are running amok.
                      51. 0
                        28 October 2025 11: 36
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        What's changed radically? Could you give a few specific facts? And why aren't you excluding EU countries?

                        They forgot to provide some cardinal facts.

                        I can't say much about the EU - my friends have complained about it too. But in the US, everyone is still happy, just a few more people have left in recent years. And comparing the USSR to a small country like Italy isn't entirely correct, in my opinion, but it's possible. The main problem in the EU, according to stories, isn't the economy, but migrants.
                      52. 0
                        28 October 2025 11: 39
                        I didn't even mention the US. After all, it was they who created the showcase of capitalism in Europe, as a counterweight to our social welfare system.
                      53. +7
                        26 October 2025 19: 09
                        Of course they did, considering France, along with Hitler, was wiping our cities off the face of the earth. Those vaunted French troops, who surrendered France in a matter of days, were killing women and children, shooting old people, and stealing our paintings. If you can't stop, go to your mother-in-law. It's always... fatter in the wrong hands.
                      54. -2
                        27 October 2025 00: 37
                        I'm almost there - across the English Channel.
                      55. 0
                        27 October 2025 10: 21
                        And happiness. The sky became clearer. Our soldiers made a very telling discovery after liberating the Moscow region near the historic Borodino field: next to the French cemetery of 1812, they discovered the fresh graves of Napoleon's descendants. The Soviet 32nd Red Banner Rifle Division of Colonel V. I. Polosukhin had fought here, and its soldiers couldn't even imagine that they were facing "French allies."

                        A more or less complete picture of this battle only emerged after the Victory. Chief of Staff of the German 4th Army, G. Blumentritt, published his memoirs, in which he wrote: "The four battalions of French volunteers serving with the 4th Army proved less resilient. At Borodino, Field Marshal von Kluge addressed them, recalling how, during Napoleon's time, the French and Germans had fought side by side against a common enemy—Russia. The following day, the French boldly went into battle, but unfortunately, they succumbed to both the powerful enemy attack and the severe frost and snowstorm. They had never before endured such trials. The French Legion was routed, suffering heavy losses from enemy fire. A few days later, it was withdrawn to the rear and sent west."

                        Here's a curious archival document—a list of prisoners of war who surrendered to Soviet troops during the war. As a reminder, a prisoner of war is someone who fights in uniform and carries a weapon. So,
                        Germans - 2 389 560,
                        Hungarians - 513 767,
                        Romanians - 187 370,
                        Austrians - 156 682,
                        Czechs and Slovaks - 69 977,
                        Poles - 60,
                        Italians - 48 957,
                        the French - 23,
                        Croats - 21 822,
                        Moldavians - 14 129,
                        Jews - 10 173,
                        the Dutch - 4,
                        Finns - 2 377,
                        Belgians - 2 010,
                        Luxembourgers - 1652,
                        Danes - 457,
                        Spaniards - 452,
                        gypsies - 383,
                        Norwegians - 101,
                        Swedes - 72.

                        And these are only those who survived and were captured. Actually, significantly more Europeans fought against us.
                      56. +4
                        27 October 2025 00: 01
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        My mother-in-law in France changed cars every 3-4 years.

                        But they had a shortage of tanks! A big one. And we had a whole army of them stationed in the GDR. As it turns out, a tank is a very useful thing.
                      57. +2
                        27 October 2025 00: 36
                        No, well, where would people go without tanks? They wouldn't understand.
                      58. 0
                        27 October 2025 13: 24
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        No, well, where would people go without tanks? They wouldn't understand.

                        When tanks with stars become scarce in Russia, tanks with crosses appear, which the people don't like.
                      59. +1
                        27 October 2025 10: 27
                        But now you have the opportunity to change cars every 3-4 years?

                        Maybe it's enough to talk nonsense and be afraid to spill it.
                      60. -6
                        26 October 2025 17: 08
                        Quote: tatra
                        spend colossal amounts of money on purchasing imported food and manufactured goods

                        I've read this somewhere before... I think they've been playing around with this since the 30s.

                        Quote: tatra
                        poison the people with counterfeit and low-quality "products" at high prices

                        Buy quality products—what's the problem? Such products aren't hard to find. Besides, Solntsedar wasn't invented in Russia.
                      61. +2
                        27 October 2025 11: 44
                        Quote: tatra
                        And the real result of your beloved capitalism is that you have ruined all the industries in all the republics of the USSR that you captured, compared to your unloved Soviet planned economy.

                        This is a real result, but not the final one. The final result is the country's population dying out at a record pace, replaced by uneducated savages who only exacerbate the negative situation in the country. Things are already so bad that the government has classified data on demographics, ethnic crime, and the number of Russian passports distributed by helicopter to savages from Central Asia.
                        This is the kind of bourgeois Felicita we have.
                    3. +3
                      26 October 2025 11: 56
                      The primitive enemies of the USSR have a primitive concept of the State. For you, the State is your large and enormous incomes and salaries, imports, and counterfeit Soviet products.
                      1. 0
                        26 October 2025 17: 13
                        Quote: tatra
                        The primitive enemies of the USSR also have a primitive concept of the State.

                        How far has your understanding deviated from the primitive? The same old words, "ENEMIES," "AGAINST," and so on.

                        Quote: tatra
                        For you, the State is your large and enormous incomes and salaries, imports, counterfeits of Soviet products.

                        For you, repression, violence, shortages, and empty hopes for who knows what. It's as bad as one radish and the other.
                    4. -1
                      26 October 2025 20: 41
                      Well, if the felt boots were going to Samarkand, and the skullcaps to Magadan (this is figurative, of course, but a fact is a fact), then this is simply sabotage.
                      As well as the impossibility of even feeding and clothing the population properly
                      1. +3
                        27 October 2025 02: 07
                        I never saw a single naked person, or even a single hungry one. And I've been to all corners of the Soviet Union. I've been to the north and Central Asia, not to mention central Russia and its outskirts. Even the taiga bums didn't freeze without a good padded jacket and a fur hat.
                      2. +1
                        27 October 2025 15: 03
                        It was written figuratively, but they certainly didn't live well.
                      3. 0
                        28 October 2025 10: 48
                        The vast majority lived well, but things are much worse under capitalism. Labeling everything with flashy labels is so-so compared to the basic benefits of socialism.

                        And tell me, why does a person need two hundred suits and thirty cars? He's only got one ass. He can't fit into everything and he can't afford to drive them all. Why bother with billions that neither he nor his descendants could spend in a thousand years? It's all just show-off and pride, as the priests proclaim. The most correct approach, in this case, is to the brim. Social inequality is unacceptable in a normal society. For example, an equal start in life is a huge advantage over the world of greed. Those born with a pile of money are rotten from the inside out. They're showing their true colors today. Is driving a Bentley across a crosswalk near Moscow State University normal?
                      4. 0
                        28 October 2025 11: 32
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The vast majority lived normally, but where there is capitalism, it is much worse.

                        No, that's just Soviet propaganda talking to you. My dad worked abroad during the Soviet era, and I heard a lot from him. So, he was an ordinary worker, and he lived better there.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And tell me why a person needs two hundred suits and three dozen cars?

                        Why the hell do we need to talk about millionaires and their lives? Besides, didn't the wife of the regional committee's first secretary have two wardrobes of clothes? And did party workers have one suit and a hat?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Social inequality is not acceptable in a normal society.

                        And were you sure there was no inequality in the USSR?
                      5. -1
                        28 October 2025 11: 44
                        I'm talking about two hundred suits figuratively.
                        The district committee secretary didn't have "two wardrobes of clothes," only one. Well, a three-room apartment, a VCR, a driver's seat, and her own new Volga in the garage. Our district leader's son was in my class; he'd been to their house many times. I've never seen gold toilets.
                      6. +1
                        28 October 2025 11: 45
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The district committee secretary didn't have "two wardrobes of clothes," only one. Well, a three-room apartment, a VCR-S, a personal driver's seat, and her own new Volga in the garage.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        the wife of the first secretary of the regional committee there weren't "2 wardrobes" of clothes?
                        hi
                      7. -1
                        28 October 2025 11: 47
                        My mother also had a full wardrobe. She was a kindergarten student, and her father was an officer.
                      8. +2
                        28 October 2025 11: 50
                        Quote: Essex62
                        My mother also had a full wardrobe. She was a kindergarten student, and her father was an officer.

                        Well, mine didn't have it - my father is an engineer, my mother is a doctor, 3 children... you see - inequality! hi Okay, initially I was talking more about those who were noticeably above the general population. And yes, one of the main achievements of the USSR was that it was more profitable for the Regional Committee Secretary to work hard for the good than to steal.
                      9. +1
                        28 October 2025 11: 54
                        That's the most important thing. And these benefits are laughable, by comparison. They lived side by side with the people. At the district committee office, the cop didn't even have a trellis at the entrance. Just walk in and punch them in the face if they do something wrong. Then they'll really judge you.laughing
                    5. +2
                      26 October 2025 23: 51
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      Why did everything go well for the decaying Western capitalists?

                      Because the Germans had Adidas sneakers but no space exploration, because the Japanese had consumer electronics but no aviation (or army either), because the Americans had Hollywood but also unemployment... If you compare the USSR with the united West, then of course, in terms of everyday life, it lost out, but when you compare the USSR with ANY separate!!! capitalist country, in terms of the sum of indicators, we won by a lot.
                      1. -2
                        27 October 2025 00: 44
                        Do you really believe this or is this sarcasm?
                      2. -3
                        27 October 2025 10: 14
                        Yes, we forgot that the faggots left. It's a relief. It's a pity, not all of them.
                      3. +1
                        27 October 2025 13: 34
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        But comparing the USSR with ANY separate!!! capitalist country, in terms of the sum of indicators, we were far ahead.

                        Let's compare it to the US and what areas did we win in? It's not fair to compare ourselves to a pittance.
                      4. +1
                        27 October 2025 14: 14
                        and in what we won BIG

                        There's no risk of becoming a homeless vagrant, unwanted and unwanted, against your will. That's the most basic thing.
                      5. 0
                        27 October 2025 14: 22
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Let's... compare with the USA and in what areas did we win BIGLY?

                        You're being disingenuous. We're comparing social systems, not financial ones. smile The USSR was a self-sufficient country, while the US was draining prosperity by circulating its currency around the world. We, on the other hand, exported our prosperity around the world—to Zimbabwe, for example. BUT, despite this, we had better social guarantees. There was no unemployment, healthcare was good, and education was decent. And we had our own technologies—space, electronics, tanks, missiles, Kalashnikov rifles, textiles. Not the best, but we had them! And this despite the War, the Golden Blockade, and all sorts of sanctions.
                      6. +1
                        27 October 2025 14: 30
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        If we compare the USSR with the united West, then of course in everyday life it lost, but if we compare the USSR with ANY separate!!! capitalist country, in terms of the total indicators we won by a lot.
                        You wrote, right? Where exactly is there a comparison?
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        social systems, not financial ones
                        You were specifically talking about the sum of indicators, not a comparison of social systems. hi
                      7. 0
                        27 October 2025 15: 05
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        You were specifically talking about the sum of indicators, not a comparison of social systems.

                        How will we measure peace, confidence, and perspective?
                      8. 0
                        27 October 2025 22: 11
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        You were specifically talking about the sum of indicators, not a comparison of social systems.

                        How would you compare the luxury goods of an American with the housing costs of a Soviet citizen? Are they comparable, in your view? Let me remind you that America is predominantly populated in a warm climate, and buildings don't require foundations, insulation, or heating. Roads and cars don't corrode because it's dry and there are no temperature fluctuations. Furthermore, there haven't been any wars in America for a very long time.
                      9. +3
                        27 October 2025 22: 16
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        How would you compare the luxury goods of an American with the housing costs of a Soviet citizen? Are they comparable, in your view? Let me remind you that America is predominantly populated in a warm climate, and buildings don't require foundations, insulation, or heating. Roads and cars don't corrode because it's dry and there are no temperature fluctuations. Furthermore, there haven't been any wars in America for a very long time.

                        Are you explaining why their economy grew faster? I'm not against it, but why claim in the first place that the USSR was a HUGE winner against any Western country individually? You could have just written it like that: except for the US. We were only HUGE winners in social welfare, they were HUGE winners in the well-being of their citizens, and everything else was more or less the same, with us somewhere in the middle. Although, if you think about it, with greater prosperity, you could buy some social welfare.
                      10. 0
                        27 October 2025 22: 25
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        We only won BIG in social issues, they won in the welfare of citizens, everything else is more or less up and down, somewhere we are, somewhere they are...

                        good drinks I'm glad we reached a consensus, but I think the financial system adjustment also needs to be taken into account. The US isn't anything special socially, it just has more money. The USSR, however, was unique.
                      11. +1
                        27 October 2025 16: 26
                        exported all over the world

                        So, how's it going? Exporters...
                        And they had their own technologies

                        Everything you mentioned remains. Only at some point everyone decided they wanted better.
                      12. -1
                        27 October 2025 22: 32
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        Only at some point did everyone think that they wanted better.

                        No, not all. Some remained to defend the White House in Moscow. And the people's wishes were shaped by the media, which since 1985 have come under Western influence. Read "Death of an Empire" by George Matlock, who was the US ambassador to the USSR at the time.
                        We are all, to one degree or another, victims of the information war.
                      13. +2
                        28 October 2025 08: 17
                        Some remained to defend the White House in Moscow.

                        What year was this? '91 or '93?
                        Read

                        Why read anything when everything was clear from the people's will? I'm not talking about the vote to preserve the USSR, etc., but about the zero support for the State Emergency Committee, the masses blocking tanks, etc. Few people rushed to heed the State Emergency Committee's call. Just like Rutskov, they ignored him. But in '91, the crowd applauded Yeltsin, and in '93, they joyfully watched the shooting.
                        casualties

                        Everyone has gone from being victims to ordinary consumers. News has become informational and entertaining content.
                      14. -1
                        28 October 2025 12: 34
                        Quote: a.shlidt
                        News has become informational and entertainment content.
                        + + +
                        Soviet media couldn't do that, but they did it with the conductor. I still remember that it was presented as entertainment.
                  2. +1
                    27 October 2025 01: 00
                    Quote: Essex62
                    And most importantly, the economy is not determined by consumer goods alone.

                    What are you talking about? How can you live without an iPhone? laughing hi
                    1. 0
                      Today, 17: 06
                      Quote: guest
                      как же можно без айфона прожить

                      кстати, сарказм тут - однобокий какой-то)
                      ок, пусть айфон - признак мажора, потребителя и всётакоепрочее
                      но телефон сегодня - необходимость или излишество?
                      и, если, необходимость, многие ли могут похвастать отечественным телефоном/смартфоном?
                      потому, как, уйти от айфона и прийти к условному ксяоми - хрен редьки не слаще, знаете ли
                      в любом случае это не своё
              2. -5
                26 October 2025 19: 30
                Quote: Essex62
                the mechanism of a planned economy, which does not know crises in principle,

                Well, there was a crisis in 1962 when production quotas were doubled while prices remained the same. This, coupled with the 1961 reform, is precisely what speaks of an economic crisis. Even the intimidated Soviet citizens were angered.

                Quote: Essex62
                the mechanism of a planned economy that works like clockwork,
                - Oh yeah, like clockwork - they sold gas to Germany and immediately bought grain in Canada/USA - from the "damned warmongers - NATO members"
                1. +4
                  27 October 2025 01: 43
                  Your scat on the fan has long since ceased to be interesting. Not a cowed, starving little speculator. I just don't care about your malicious lies. In the Soviet Union, the most important thing was the worker, not the buy-and-sell, like you. That's why you're spewing venom, even 30 years after your bloody profiteering coup. Give me another example of the worthless intellectual from the film "Office Romance." Which is actually a melodrama, about how love and family relationships came first for the Soviet people. He had no other problems in his native country. He knew he would always have a crust of bread and be protected. Even such a worthless worker at a useless office. Just a slacker.
                  1. -1
                    27 October 2025 09: 36
                    Quote: Essex62
                    Well, I just don't give a damn about your malicious lies.

                    The fact that you are angry with me does not mean that the historical facts of doubling production standards, reforms and Novocherkassk will not be cancelled. already happened - and out depending on you and me.

                    Quote: Essex62
                    From the film "Office Romance," which is actually a melodrama about how love and family relationships came first for the Soviet people.
                    Yeah, but "Pretty Woman" isn't about the scam surrounding the shipyard and the order for 10 destroyers, but about J. Roberts's boobs?
                    Well, "Garage" is apparently a comedy. belay ?
                    1. +4
                      27 October 2025 11: 26
                      Your corn-grower was in charge in 61-62. His first attempt, after the death of the IVS, to restore capitalism. He had more than one such "solution" to embitter the population against Soviet power. And he trained the perpetrators, releasing Banderovites. It didn't work out, as with the marked one, because the communists, who had been through WWII, didn't allow it. They purged Nikita himself.

                      "Garage" is precisely about the bourgeois mentality you imposed on us. We can also recall the later "Kin-dza-dza," which is what we've ultimately arrived at today.
                      1. -1
                        27 October 2025 11: 42
                        Quote: Essex62
                        In 61-62 it was your corncob that was in charge.

                        My???? lol lol
                        It's strange, but history says that the CPSU nominated and appointed him.
                        Or was it incorrect CPSU?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        because the communists who went through the Great Patriotic War did not allow it.

                        Lol, where were they when he was appointed???

                        What a person is like becomes clear as soon as he gains power - even if it's power at the level of "every gopher in the field is an agronomist" (c)
                        And the vicious Soviet practice of "We'll send you to study/with a promotion - just so you're away from us!!" (c) worked to the fullest.
                        If you still haven't realized that both the NSH and MSG were absolutely not accidental, you're as naive as a kindergartener.

                        PS
                        The Frontoviks stuck their tongues out at the 20th Congress. And it wasn't the mythical "Frontoviks" who removed Nikitos, but a specific group of people eager for power.
                        And since legitimate There were no ways to remove the head of state in the USSR - it was a small, quiet coup, but it was a coup
                      2. +1
                        27 October 2025 11: 47
                        It doesn't matter who took the photo. The main thing is that the restoration, which was clearly looming, never happened.
                        And please stop writing vile things about the people who saved the country. You're still alive today and speculating because they died and suffered.
                      3. +1
                        27 October 2025 12: 19
                        Quote: Essex62
                        It doesn't matter who filmed it.

                        It is important because it ultimately led to restoration.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And please stop writing vile things about the people who saved the country. You're still alive today and speculating because they died and suffered.

                        "Politics is a dirty business" (c) Stalin.
                        They got involved in politics and moved around with dirt up to their ears.
                        And yes, according to your logic, I should respect Yakovlev, who joined the party at the front in 1942???
                        Vlasov participated in saving Moscow - should we respect him too???
                        "Front-line soldier" isn't a quality mark, but a statement of the fact of having served at the front, nothing more. Otherwise, 86 people wouldn't have had to be stripped of their Hero of the Soviet Union title.
                      4. -2
                        27 October 2025 12: 36
                        You're in really bad shape. Is your ulcer bothering you?
                      5. +1
                        27 October 2025 12: 48
                        Quote: Essex62
                        You're in really bad shape. Is your ulcer bothering you?

                        God be with you—even the heartburn is gone thanks to you. What kind of illness can there be when they're soaking up such scabs here?
                        Once again, I'm not making these facts up – they already happened. These are historical facts.
                        If they NOT are adjusted to fit your theories - then this is a problem of theory, not historical facts.
                      6. +1
                        28 October 2025 11: 09
                        No theories. Pure practice, and nothing but practice. Under our rule, you hucksters sat quietly under a broom, waiting for someone to come hand over the pick. But the working man is always focused on the road and his priorities.

                        Facts. Of course. It's a historical fact: there was Nikita who dreamed of a life like the US, and then Nikita was gone from the Kremlin stool. And the working class remained the hegemon.
                      7. -2
                        28 October 2025 17: 33
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And the working class remained hegemonic.

                        The origin of the term is the ancient Greek word "hegemon" ("leadership", "management", "guidance").
                        And the working class—the supposedly most important class in the country—did anyone ask when Nikita was appointed? When they slandered Stalin at the 20th Congress? When Nikita was removed? When were corpses appointed General Secretaries? When were the MSG nominated? When was EBN nominated for the Politburo? When were the results of the referendum on preserving the USSR shoved up the hegemon's ass???
                        Did anyone ask the hegemon's opinion on these events or was the hegemon simply pushed and shoved without asking??!!
                        The working class could still be considered a hegemon until the 1950s - and then it was turned into cattle, all The authorities didn't give a damn... Because he no longer had any influence on anything in the country...
                      8. -1
                        29 October 2025 13: 48
                        Nothing of the sort. My comrades and I took advantage of the power of the workers and peasants, putting arrogant bureaucrats in their place and stripping them of their party cards.
                      9. -1
                        29 October 2025 15: 14
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Nothing of the sort. My comrades and I took advantage of the power of the workers and peasants, putting arrogant bureaucrats in their place and stripping them of their party cards.

                        So why didn't you remove MSG or EBN?
                        They stripped a small pawn, the size of a hole in a collective farm donut, of his party card, but what joy...
                        In general, your hands were short even at the level of the city committee - and the arrogance, "my comrades and I opened the door to the Politburo with our feet, yeah...."
                      10. -1
                        29 October 2025 15: 26
                        No, the laces were more serious.

                        We no longer had the power to defeat the bourgeois Politburo. It had to be rebuilt. We were too few for that. The working class proved largely inert, leading to the loss of its power, alas.
                        The proletariat had preferences, and that's why you considered yourself disadvantaged and hissed in your kitchens.
                    2. +2
                      27 October 2025 12: 49
                      Quote: your1970
                      The historical facts of doubling production standards, reforms, and Novocherkassk will not be reversed. They have already happened—and regardless of you and me.

                      Well, yes, there was this weirdo—Nikita Khrushchev, or corn bug, as they called him. He caused a lot of trouble, and it still haunts him. But what does a planned economy have to do with it? I'll tell you even more. Today, megacorporations have much more and more planned economies than they did in the USSR, which you all curse.
                      Quote: your1970
                      Yeah, but "Pretty Woman" isn't about the scam surrounding the shipyard and the order for 10 destroyers, but about J. Roberts's boobs?

                      laughing good Good!!!))) Only the ? sign is unnecessary)

                      Quote: your1970
                      Well, "Garage" is apparently a comedy.

                      Is this really a horror movie? belay
                      1. -1
                        27 October 2025 14: 39
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Good!!!))) Only the ? sign is unnecessary)

                        So, for you, if they write "melodrama" on the poster, then that's it, it's a melodrama? The whole plot of the film revolves around an attempted corporate takeover of a shipyard and the ordering of a series of destroyers thanks to the lobbying of a member of the Congressional Finance Committee—frozen to make it easier to dismantle the shipyard, right?
                        There's an evil satire on the realities of big politics and money in the USA, covered a little with boobs.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Is this really a horror movie?
                        and you don't see of horror Is it that in an hour of screen time, Soviet scientists turned into animals and everyone believes in the possibility of such a transformation?
                2. 0
                  27 October 2025 22: 34
                  Quote: your1970
                  Oh yeah, like clockwork - they sold gas to Germany and immediately bought grain in Canada/USA - from the "damned warmongers - NATO members"

                  Yes, because suddenly there was a shortage of grain. But there was an abundance of corn!
                  The Soviet system is very sensitive to the professionalism of its leaders, and masters of underhanded dealings often end up there.
              3. +1
                26 October 2025 23: 06
                When socialism began to collapse, there were very few willing to defend it. The ruling force, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, lost the people's trust. And the cause of the collapse was the deteriorating economy, which no longer ensured an increase in the people's well-being.
                1. +5
                  27 October 2025 00: 20
                  Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                  The CPSU has lost the people's trust. And the reason for the collapse is the economy.

                  The reason for the collapse is that the late functionaries of the CPSU actually formed a separate class with characteristics of the bourgeoisie and wanted to legitimize it
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2025 10: 57
                    In fact, the late functionaries of the CPSU formed a separate class with characteristics of the bourgeoisie and wanted to legitimize it

                    The fact is, whether they formed a class or not, it was just a handful of functionaries, and the benefits they enjoyed were paltry compared to today's billionaires. The real reason was the inability of that socialist economic model to develop progressively for the benefit of the people.
                    1. +1
                      27 October 2025 11: 59
                      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                      But the real reason is the inability of that model of socialist economy to develop progressively for the benefit of the people.

                      "Salus populi - suprema lex"—the happiness of the people is the highest law—was inscribed above the entrance to the Roman Senate. Every government declares its concern for the people. The socialist economy was tailored to the interests of the majority, which worked well during wartime, but as material wealth accumulated, it became clear that there was no room for luxury goods. As prosperity grew, so did needs. When Western goods reached us, they became considered luxury goods and were in high demand. In our time of technological revolution, with the Soviet distribution system, everything would have been much simpler, and the USSR would have been ahead of the rest!
                      1. +1
                        27 October 2025 13: 39
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        In our time of technological revolution, using the Soviet distribution system, everything would have been much simpler and the USSR would have been ahead of the rest of the world!

                        If only... essentially you're saying the same thing as Olgovich - if only the Russian Empire had stayed - they were ahead of everyone... just assertions about something that didn't happen...
                      2. 0
                        27 October 2025 14: 15
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        just statements about things that didn't happen.

                        I beg you, in the Soviet educational system it was indecent to consider humans animals. And that's true, we share the same instincts—food, sex, and dominance. Enhance old experience with new knowledge and move on.
                    2. +1
                      27 October 2025 12: 55
                      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                      The point is that whether they formed a class or not, it was just a bunch of functionaries and the benefits they enjoyed were meager compared to today's billionaires.

                      That's how they all became today's billionaires. That's why they dismantled the USSR.
                    3. -1
                      27 October 2025 22: 41
                      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                      But the real reason is the inability of that model of socialist economy to develop progressively for the benefit of the people.

                      A planned economy is an economy of specialists. Unfortunately, the opinions of specialists are not highly valued among party officials. Before his death, Stalin tried to rectify the situation by introducing a large number of specialists into the Politburo! But none of them lasted long.
                      1. +2
                        28 October 2025 11: 33
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        A planned economy is an economy of specialists. Unfortunately, the opinions of specialists are not highly valued among party officials.

                        So, the party bosses who headed the USSR destroyed the planned economy - I completely agree. hi
                2. +1
                  27 October 2025 01: 56
                  The people's standard of living was always stable. It meant a job with a guaranteed salary, free perks, and low prices. The sabotage of the traitors who had completely seized power in the country by 91, plus the powerful propaganda campaign they organized against communists and socialism, bore fruit. Unaccustomed to class struggle during the years of developed socialism, the working class liked the situation. It simply wasn't ready to confront the traitors at the very top.
                  There was no degradation before this situation - sabotage to shake up the flower garden.
          2. +11
            26 October 2025 10: 11
            You see, the man at the top of power supported banks during crises. He's unlikely to like your proposal.
            1. 0
              27 October 2025 12: 02
              Quote: Gardamir
              You see, the person at the top of power supported the banks during times of crisis.

              Banks are a force possessing the military and other capabilities of a formidable state, and they will always support the person who supports them.
              1. +3
                27 October 2025 12: 05
                That's all true, but he didn't even support the people as an exception. On the contrary, he said, "I ask you to be understanding."
                1. +2
                  27 October 2025 13: 18
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  "I ask for your understanding."


                  that's what we do smile
          3. -15
            26 October 2025 11: 32
            People lived without banks during the prehistoric period, too. Money is the lifeblood of the economy, and banks are the ones who distribute it. Besides, banks are major employers and taxpayers. Why are you being so offensive?
          4. +3
            26 October 2025 11: 53
            And you name successful state enterprises.
            The top 10 most indebted companies are government agencies.
            https://www.tbank.ru/invest/social/profile/anti_trade/67bff0be-6317-4c3d-9a61-e0819f8ea509/?author=profile
            1. +10
              26 October 2025 13: 42
              The problem isn't with government administration. State-owned enterprises can be quite profitable. High-ranking management makes them unprofitable for their own benefit, making it easier to siphon money from the budget, receive exorbitant salaries and bonuses, profit from financial speculation and the currency market, transfer ill-gotten gains abroad, and so on.
          5. +22
            26 October 2025 13: 52
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            It would be very useful for the state to nationalize both the banking sector and the Central Bank.

            Banks are the lifeblood of capitalism. Nationalizing banks is an even more radical act than the collectivization of large-scale property. The current system of mafia capitalism in Russia will never agree to this. So, the debate about whether this is beneficial is essentially pointless. More precisely, the order here is this: first a change of power, and only then can bank nationalization be possible. Only in this order.
            1. +3
              27 October 2025 12: 04
              Quote: Belisarius
              and only then will the nationalization of banks be possible.

              The banks are guaranteed to cause a civil war and try to establish their own power.
              1. +1
                28 October 2025 11: 18
                They've already secured it. And there's no end in sight. And they've been in power for a long time.
                When the government changes, the only thing they can do is run. All these private security companies will scatter in an instant if the state comes to protect them. Bankers don't have any armies.
        2. -11
          26 October 2025 09: 16
          If I'm not mistaken, since the mid-50s, money has been kept in British and other (not American) banks, and despite all the conflicts, no one has appropriated it. How should the current situation be any different? But apparently the EU and the US have decided that it's now permissible. But this will come back to haunt them in the future. And even the Tavs, with all their quirks, are currently holding too much Central Bank funds in European accounts to simply take them away.
        3. +15
          26 October 2025 13: 48
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It's also very useful to talk a lot about the two hundred billion dollars frozen in Europe, about the exceptionally astonishing retaliatory measures, and... just forget about them, as if they had vanished into oblivion.

          They can truly be forgotten. They will never return, or they will return only if payments to Ukraine begin, which means they will essentially never return. This is a gift from Vladimir Putin and his dear partners.
          1. +2
            27 October 2025 02: 19
            And they haven't stopped being his partners, even after all the sanctions and outright aggression. They've been killing Russian citizens, destroying infrastructure, and even destroying strategic nuclear forces, using weapons systems and intelligence, which is direct participation in our civil war. If NATO forces are targeting our facilities with weapons, they're direct participants in the war. War isn't declared today; it's simply waged. And is the strategist simply being tricked, or is he pretending to be deceived? Just yesterday, he called them partners. They're probably laughing there.
      2. +33
        26 October 2025 07: 04
        Quote: Belisarius
        Such statements were a signature move of the Russian authorities from the late 2000s to 2022.

        That's right. When the geostrategist was asked why we needed such large reserves, he replied, "They're safety nets." In case of a sudden crisis! But our country lived (permanently) from crisis to crisis. And the safety nets weren't working at all. When the geostrategist was asked about this again, he said something like, "Are you trying to burn up our reserves or something? That's not what they were created for!"

        And here's the climax. It's 2022. Those very precious and carefully guarded safety nets have somehow ended up in the hands of our dangerous enemy.
        1. +6
          26 October 2025 08: 21
          Quote: Stas157
          These are the very ones So, for some reason, our precious and carefully kept safety cushions ended up in the hands of our dangerous enemy.

          Mishka is tormented by the question:
          We are all tormented by the question:
          Who here is the enemy mysterious?
          And the answer is terribly simple -
          And the only answer.

          The enemy of our enemy is our friend...
          Our enemy's partner is our enemy...
          That's all the arithmetic, that's the whole endgame in the grandmaster's political game...
          1. +6
            26 October 2025 09: 18
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Our enemy's partner is our enemy...

            "The European Union remained Russia's third-largest trading partner in 2024, Bild reports. Annual turnover amounted to €67,5 billion.

            Your deeds are wonderful, O Lord.
          2. +4
            26 October 2025 10: 15
            If a bear ate a wolf, it didn't become your friend.
        2. +7
          26 October 2025 13: 01
          Quote: Stas157
          So, for some reason, our precious and carefully kept safety cushions ended up in the hands of our dangerous enemy.

          It seems that they were sent there specifically... They had to be picked up before February 22.
          1. 0
            26 October 2025 19: 45
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            It seems that they were sent there specifically... They had to be picked up before February 22.

            In order to take it, it was necessary to find a buyer for the securities that make up the bulk of these 200 billion, without lowering their price, which would have happened with a large sale volume.
            And the cherry on top is that the state that issued them is obliged to pay for them in full upon presentation.
            That is, if we assume it is England, then after taking them away from the Russian Federation, it will have to pay Ukraine their full cost.
            This is one of the reasons why no one wants to deal with them.
          2. +8
            26 October 2025 20: 12
            It seems that they were sent there specifically... They had to be picked up before February 22.
            The grandmaster planned to use these "funds" to manipulate the EU. But all his recent actions have been marked by a bearish stance. As I once read, in some stupid article, the author, in the same bearish tone, expressed the opinion that Russia feeds Europe and supplies it with energy resources. Something like, "Don't forget who loves and feeds you," apparently expressing the opinion of the highest political establishment.
            And the famous phrase directed at the Germans regarding "heating with wood", for which, again, "you need to go to Russia."
            Conclusion: excessive self-confidence and pride are the price of today's events.

            And a little about economics...
            Yes, I agree with blogger Atomic Cherry about the “reduction of the consumer economy” as a way of “structural mobilization restructuring of the economy,”
            ...Only she looks completely different from how they imagined her.
            Of course, because it, too, will be implemented in a bearish manner. They'll cut the salaries of teachers, healthcare workers, and social workers. Where will they go? The only way they can survive on such low incomes is by living at work (literally), or they'll be forced to find jobs that pay at least something.
            I certainly wouldn't dare call medicine and education a "consumer economy," as that's a fundamentally flawed way of looking at things. The intelligence and education of the population are the foundation and future of a strong country. Observing these trends, one can only sympathize.
        3. +9
          26 October 2025 14: 03
          Quote: Stas157
          And here's the climax. It's 2022. Those very precious and carefully guarded safety nets have somehow ended up in the hands of our dangerous enemy.

          He has not only this "safety cushion" there, but also the majority of the real assets of all the "masters of the Russian Federation and great patriots." Yes, some of it is scattered across offshore accounts, some has been transferred to the UAE, but the majority is there.
          Returning to our sad affairs, we currently don't have any special reserves to finance the deficit, as Okhotoved mentioned. We have gold and yuan, but they're difficult to sell (though they're trying), or more accurately, difficult to convert into rubles.
          All the other proposals are just, "Let's let our dear Vladimir Vladimirovich take money from his dear friend V.F. Vekselberg and other such wonderful people." That is, it's clearly unfeasible under the current government.
      3. +10
        26 October 2025 09: 45
        "And really, it is impossible to call this anything other than sabotage."

        This policy has been going on since 1991, and it will only get worse under this oligarchic-feudal capitalism! I see only a way out in changing this regime, preferably through evolutionary means; otherwise, revolution with all its horrors awaits.
        1. +9
          26 October 2025 10: 19
          Everything is relative. October 3-4, 1993 can be called a revolution, or, if you like, a counterrevolution. And the events of the 90s are similar to the civil war.
        2. -6
          26 October 2025 11: 27
          Evolution is a very long-term process.
        3. -3
          26 October 2025 19: 50
          Quote: vasyliy1
          I see the only way out in changing this regime, preferably through evolutionary means, otherwise there will be a revolution with all its horrors.

          All SOCIALIST The revolutions of the 20th century occurred either as a result of losing a war, or during the occupation of a country, or due to total poverty, or a combination of both.
          So you can forget about evolution...
          1. +5
            27 October 2025 02: 33
            Well, yes, but is bourgeois counterrevolution a natural and inevitable process? A progressive leap back to social inequality and parasitic dominance, something the majority of the USSR's population dreamed of. Don't blame everyone on your speculative whims. They drove the people into rotten capitalism with tanks, and they were forced to adapt. Or is everyone just so happy that some parasite drives them 12 hours a day, and even then, they're threatened with losing this hell at his whim. They'll be thrown into nowhere and left with nothing (except for paltry "compensation").
            1. -1
              27 October 2025 02: 45
              Quote: Essex62
              Well, yes, but is bourgeois counterrevolution a natural and inevitable occurrence?

              As soon as you find an example of a country that is not included in the list I listed
              Quote: your1970
              All SOCIALIST revolutions of the 20th century occurred either as a result of losing a war, or during the occupation of a country, or due to total poverty, or a combination of both.
              So you can forget about evolution...

              - then let's discuss the issue possible evolution into socialism.
              So far, from the experience of the 20th century, there are only the options I have listed.
              1. +1
                27 October 2025 03: 15
                Just as your speculative system happened, so too will the socialist system return. Because an insatiable passion for profit and disregard for the fate of the people and the country can lead to defeat and even a social explosion. Even without hunger, if today's youth suffers greatly in their everyday lives, they'll easily lose their minds. Plus, several million villagers with their own views on the state system, the lands of the infidels they occupy. So what? It's best to "legitimize" ours to the Kremlin stool and purge yours. Alaverdi, so to speak. The current situation is simply fortunate for you. Why not change its course? Especially since the worker is now a scientist.
                1. -1
                  27 October 2025 09: 19
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Just as your speculative revolution happened, so too will the socialist revolution return. Because an insatiable passion for profit and disregard for the fate of the people and the country can lead to defeat and even a social explosion. Even without hunger, if today's youth suffer greatly in terms of their usual life, they can easily lose their minds.

                  So you didn't read the classics during the Soviet era? At least not at the level of the Lenkomnata?
                  Well, okay...
                  Without a "proletariat with nothing to lose but its chains," a socialist revolution is impossible in principle. And we don't have such a proletariat...
                  A capitalist coup is easy - there are examples by the carload around Maidan, Georgia, Nepal, etc. They give a little money, the population is dissatisfied, and off they go - power depose.
                  But under a socialist system it is not the government that needs to be overthrown, but the ruling class. The bourgeoisie, and preferably in its entirety.
                  And this is where the 4 options for socialist revolution that I spoke about earlier arise.
                  Naturally, neither the US nor NATO will be exporting socialism at bayonet point. If Russia is defeated and occupied, they'll appoint someone like Khodorkovsky and Alga...
                  We haven't yet reached the level of total poverty seen in the Russian Empire or Cuba. When it's already acceptable to kill a rich neighbor—a bourgeois—and the hatred for him is overwhelming.
                  And at the same time - anarchy, disunity and the Entente - which is exactly why it was breaking into us in 1918... And the conditions of Brest ver. 2.0 will not be Ukraine, but the confiscation of nuclear weapons
                  Only then in the Civil War we had several years in reserve, and now they will simply take away our nuclear weapons. And I am tormented by doubts - why do you want this?
                  So if you think about it for just a couple of minutes, you'll understand that I'm right.
                  1. 0
                    27 October 2025 11: 43
                    If you're just a piece of shit, then you consider everyone the same? Well, that's understandable. Exports, then, on the bayonets of the Americans? Wow, you've gone too far. Who do you think your fellow citizens are?
                    Your partners will face real resistance if the healthy forces push back against the thieves. Please don't answer me. It's disgusting to read these arguments about Russians who live by the principle of "at home, at home." Well, not everyone is like you; I'd say you're a minority. Otherwise, the country would have been doomed long ago.
                    1. 0
                      27 October 2025 12: 08
                      Quote: Essex62
                      If you're just a piece of shit, then you think everyone is? Well, that's understandable. Exports, then, on the bayonets of the Americans? Wow, you've gone too far. Who do you think your fellow citizens are?

                      Are you hungover or unable to understand what is written???!!!
                      Or does the history of the 20th century teach you nothing?
                      Or do you deny the classics of Marxism-Leninism?
                      Once again, for those who understand absolutely nothing about life and do not want to know history -
                      Quote: your1970
                      All SOCIALIST revolutions of the 20th century occurred either as a result of losing a war, or during the occupation of a country, or due to total poverty, or a combination of both.

                      And let me remind you - this is YOU( in bold - YOU) talk about socialist revolution - forgetting as it happened in the 20th century.
                      There are no other ways to destroy the bourgeois class. And no evolution is possible for this.
                      And there are healthy forces in the country - but without these 4 options they won’t do a damn thing.

                      Once again, for you: without the destruction of the bourgeois class, there will be no socialism. And the destruction of an entire class of the population is only possible under the following four circumstances.
                      And I didn’t come up with this – this is exactly what Marx, Lenin and Stalin wrote about.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Export, then, on American bayonets?
                      You'll get over your hangover first—the US, of all people, won't bring us socialism. There were no such precedents in the 20th century...
                      How much did you have to drink to attribute such ideas to me?
                      1. -1
                        27 October 2025 12: 34
                        The bourgeoisie will consume itself. You're right: it's the 21st century, everything is changing. The brake on development, which is precisely what your government of speculators and usurers is, will also wither away. It will be relegated to supporting roles, where you belong.
                        Well, sometimes the classics aren't overthrown. Nothing in this world is included. New theories of a just world order will emerge and be implemented in practice. You think too highly of yourselves and think too disdainfully of people. You'll disappear like dinosaurs. But a hard worker will always be in demand, albeit in a different, more advanced form.
                      2. -2
                        27 October 2025 12: 42
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The bourgeois class will consume itself.

                        Are there any prerequisites?? Examples??
                        Otherwise, he’s been eating himself for 400 years and still nothing.
                        America continues to rot, and we are still trying to "catch up and overtake" it (c) all the General Secretaries of the USSR, all the presidents of the Russian Federation...

                        A just world order is possible in only two forms: communism and paradise. Therefore, if the world is just, it must be socialist, and nothing else. Therefore, the classics are right.
                      3. +1
                        28 October 2025 11: 31
                        War will inevitably revive the working class. Isn't that what you're talking about? It will sweep you away again. In this situation, there's no way around it, no matter how much a speculator wants to stop the process. We need weapons, food, and the means to live. You only know how to buy here and sell there. You can't get by without the working people.
                      4. -1
                        28 October 2025 18: 00
                        Quote: Essex62
                        War will inevitably revive the working class. Isn't that what you're talking about?

                        You're forgetting a trivial detail: in 1917, the working class was impoverished and ready to slaughter the bourgeoisie because "we ate Vasya for dinner, and he's eating blancmange!!!" (c). And now the working class earns three times more than I do, they have a mortgage, a car, and they go to the south on vacation.
                        In principle, one doesn't go with such things to kill a bourgeois neighbor.
                        And without total poverty ("The proletariat has nothing to lose but its chains" (c)) the proletariat will not gather together - I already wrote to you about the 4 reasons for the revolution.
                        Without this, even if the working class is 30 million strong, they won't go against machine guns...
                      5. +1
                        29 October 2025 09: 33
                        You're also forgetting that back then, it was a first. The proletarian state existed and functioned perfectly for 70 years; it's simply necessary to reclaim power and put the speculator in his rightful place at the bottom of the social pyramid. There won't be any machine guns; first, we'll achieve transparency in real elections, and then we'll take you from above. Just like in '85-'93. The security forces have no reason to disobey orders. They're all from the people. Well, except for the cops—businessmen. Not serious. Neither are the oligarchs' private security companies.

                        And this is like a freeloader "earning" less than a hard worker. You live in Russia, after all. Mortgage bondage and a car loan are a fantastic indicator. This will act as a catalyst.
                      6. -2
                        29 October 2025 10: 25
                        Quote: Essex62
                        first, achieve transparency of real elections, and

                        Bugaga ....
                        Read the classics - they ALL They wrote to you in Russian that capitalism will not give up its power without a fight.
                        And I already wrote to you about the 4 paths of socialist revolution in the 20th century.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        The proletarian state lived and fine functioned for 70 years
                        - after which suddenly belay has died.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And this is like a freeloader "earning" less than a working person. You even live in the Russian Federation.
                        Do you think ordinary government employees earn a trillion rubles? 38,000 rubles a month.
                  2. +2
                    27 October 2025 13: 27
                    Quote: your1970
                    Without a "proletariat with nothing to lose but its chains," a socialist revolution is impossible in principle. And we don't have such a proletariat...

                    First of all, we lack an ideology and leaders, bearers of this ideology, around whom the masses would concentrate. It doesn't matter which ones, the main thing is that there are lots and lots of them. And preferably military leaders, ALL of them. The 20th century has many examples of military coups, followed by the socialization of the state. The most striking example is Colonel Gaddafi.
                    Quote: your1970
                    And the conditions of Brest ver. 2.0 will not be Ukraine, but the withdrawal of nuclear weapons
                    Only then in the Civil War we had several years in reserve, but now they will simply take away our nuclear weapons.

                    No one in their right mind would give up nuclear weapons. That would be tantamount to destroying the country and tearing it into pieces. It's not hard to guess what would happen to all the current rulers. Nuclear weapons are, first and foremost, a guarantee of their personal security for our rulers. And for any other rulers who replace them, the same applies. But the West doesn't need to take nuclear weapons from us. They're currently hard at work on space-based missile defense systems, which could eventually counter even a massive strike by our strategic nuclear forces.
                    1. -2
                      27 October 2025 15: 21
                      Quote: Zoer
                      The 20th century also has many examples of military coups, followed by the socialization of the state. The most striking example is Colonel Gaddafi.

                      A social state doesn't even need a coup - Denmark is the best example was these social State.
                      But my opponent wants to destroy the bourgeois speculators as a class, nationalize everything, and demand justice and equality. His dream cannot be achieved peacefully.

                      Quote: Zoer
                      No one in their right mind would give up nuclear weapons.
                      The opponent wants socialism - based on the experience of the 20th century, I have given 4 methods of revolution. ALL they lead to the loss of the ability to control nuclear weapons - whether through occupation, defeat, poverty, or a combination of
                      1. +1
                        27 October 2025 16: 20
                        Denmark was the best example of a social state.

                        Whenever I hear about social Denmark, I immediately see cartoons by Herluf Bidstrup. The Dane.
                      2. -1
                        27 October 2025 16: 37
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Denmark was the best example of a social state.

                        Whenever I hear about social Denmark, I immediately see cartoons by Herluf Bidstrup. The Dane.

                        I liked the caricatures of the Belgian artist Jean-Paul Van Den Broeck better.
                        It was once on VO lol
                        https://topwar.ru/79436-nemnozhko-posmeyatsya.html
                        And he specifically mentioned Denmark.was"
                      3. 0
                        27 October 2025 17: 55
                        And about Denmark he specifically said "was"

                        To Bidstrup? belay Was this during Ragnar Lothbrok's time? wassat
                      4. 0
                        29 October 2025 09: 45
                        Did Russia really lose its statehood in 17? The Bolsheviks smashed everyone, including the invaders. Why are you so sure they'll take away our nuclear weapons? On the contrary, we will mobilize society, brutally, without liberal sentimentality, and we will end the bourgeois Civil War (SVO) with victory. Are you aware that most front-line soldiers wear the hammer and sickle insignia?
                        And then, nationalization is not the same as nationalization. We're talking about big capital. Those who cut hair, bake bread, and repair cars are allies. They're hard workers.
                      5. -2
                        29 October 2025 10: 45
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Did Russia really lose its statehood in 17? The Bolsheviks destroyed everyone, including the invaders.

                        Naturally, it lost it—more or less control over the territory was regained in 1920. Considering that all the interventionist countries were in trouble at home after WWI, the RSFSR was very lucky.
                        Now no one will give us that much time, they will tear us to pieces immediately...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        On the contrary, we mobilize society, brutally, without liberal sentimentality.
                        - Well, that is, there is no way without mass shootings...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And then, nationalization is not the same as nationalization. We're talking about big capital. Those who cut hair, bake bread, and repair cars are allies. They're hard workers.
                        laughing laughing laughing laughing
                        funny. You in FIRST It's your turn to nationalize all of this - because of anarchy, division and other nuances, the people you He will say, "That's why we overthrew the Tsar - so that bakeries could raise the price of bread for us??!!! Down with such power!!!"
                        The NEP and the Cheka were liquidated primarily because too much cash appeared in the hands of "speculators" lol and the country became rapidly corrupt.
                        Now it will be the same as then.
                      6. 0
                        29 October 2025 13: 55
                        It's possible without executions. The state has plenty of methods of influence. And turning a blogger into a turner wouldn't be a problem at all.

                        Come on. How many cooperatives operated in Stalin's USSR? Thousands. And there's government regulation of pricing.

                        The Cheka was reformed in accordance with changing conditions and the development of the state. Under a different name, it did not cease to be the punishing sword of the working class.
                      7. -1
                        29 October 2025 15: 31
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And turning a blogger into a turner is not a problem at all.

                        Only you will get a turner ready to poke a sharpening iron into your back...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        How many cooperatives operated in Stalin's USSR? Thousands. And there is state regulation of pricing.
                        Just read a little about their economic base and you will understand that these are different things. And state pricing and funds They kill interest in development. In fact, they degenerated into state-owned enterprises—and then died. And it's not even Khrushchev's fault—there were plenty of taxes, fixed prices, corruption, and capped wages—they would have died on their own.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        The Cheka was reformed in accordance with changing conditions and the development of the state. Under a different name, it did not cease to be the punishing sword of the working class.
                        That is, you don’t know the reasons for the liquidation and the time of liquidation?
                      8. 0
                        29 October 2025 16: 57
                        You all know that. I know it. And you keep throwing it at the fan. Your reasons and the "knowledge" of this spiteful anti-Soviet are far-fetched. All your conclusions are bullshit. No one will push sharpening irons on the authorities, least of all worthless bloggers. They'll moan and moan and then, like little darlings, sharpen their shells. Just like they'll bake bread and cut hair at state prices, for a small cut. Cooperatives in Stalin's Union provided a huge share of the product. It worked perfectly.
                        Well, those reckless people who decided to do this can be washed with blood against the wall or under the machine guns at the front.
                      9. -1
                        29 October 2025 22: 39
                        Quote: Essex62
                        All your conclusions are bullshit. No one will push sharpening on the authorities, least of all worthless bloggers.

                        Why didn't you study Soviet history in Soviet schools? Why did you smoke a Soviet history textbook?
                        Everything was described there beautifully and in detail - how EVERYTHING will be in your the future.
                        About the Civil War, about the fact that the Whites weren't the only bourgeoisie there, about Central Asians and the Caucasus, about excesses at the local level during nationalization, about shortcomings in the work of the NKVD, about Banderovites.
                        Have you ever wondered why Banderov's forces lasted three times longer than the best army in the world at the time, the Wehrmacht?
                        Or 4 million denunciations in the country - were they written by scoundrels and scoundrels, destroying honest and decent people, or by honest and decent people against scoundrels?
                        And yes, when you make a blogger a lathe operator, you'll rob them of tens or hundreds of millions. And they might not stick a sharpening iron in your hand (or in the factory commissioner's)—but they'll definitely put sand in the machine. honest leader it will definitely pour...
                        And the NKVD comrades will send us to cut down trees. an honest, pioneering patriot - as it was in real life...
                        Your fantasies about a peaceful transition of power, about everyone voluntarily rushing to the factory, about an honest and decent NKVD, about small-time speculators - hairdressers and bakers - these are your fantasies - not supported by history, or the classics of Marxism, or anything at all.
                        Your naked - wishes...
                        You don't even notice that the Civil War is still smoldering - even though 100 years have passed. By 1944, the Wehrmacht's sapper battalions were almost entirely staffed with Hiwis - there was a commander, 2-3 specialists, a German security detachment, and the rest were all Hiwis.
                        And in all the memoirs, everyone notes the high quality of the German dugouts (especially their cleanliness) and crossings. Only, they weren't built by Germans—that's the paradox...
                        Do you believe that 150-200 men can't kill 15 Germans and join their own? I don't.
                        This continuation of the Civil War was...
                        And if it suddenly happens, it will be exactly the same as in the 20th century - without major changes.
                      10. -1
                        30 October 2025 10: 08
                        This all happened after a thousand years of pure profiteering, only 20 years of your new Russian bourgeoisie. The "Soviet agenda" hasn't yet been eradicated from the citizenry. And if a blocher fills his machine with sand, he'll join the stormtroopers. They'll quickly teach him to love his country. You served in the army, didn't you? Don't you remember how you couldn't and didn't want to get treatment? The state has enough resources to keep the Zyuha in place. He'll sharpen shells to eat.
                      11. 0
                        30 October 2025 10: 47
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The "Soviet agenda" has not yet been eradicated from the citizens.

                        The 1000-year-old bourgeoisie was slaughtered during WWI, the Civil War and all sorts of shootings.
                        And now, unlike in the Russian Empire, where 80% of the population didn't eat meat, the population has now tasted iPhones, cars, and mortgages where they want them, not where they're given them—in Verkhnyaya Pyshma, in an ecologically protected area, the ability to go out and buy what they want.
                        And here you are ALREADY ready population by force force people to do what they don't want
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Will sharpen shells to eat.

                        And after that the population can say a lot obscene words about the Soviet power and you personally.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And if the blocher pours sand into the machine, he will go to the stormtroopers.
                        that Soviet vanguard from will go to the stormtroopers neighboring workshop - to which the sand blower will pour.

                        Let me repeat: you didn't read the Soviet history textbook, and you skipped history classes at school. - it was all written there
                      12. -1
                        30 October 2025 12: 36
                        What did Soviet textbooks write about? Corruption in the Cheka/NKVD? fool
                        The country lived and developed. One small, but very vile detail ruined it. That we, relying on that very same Cheka, stopped strangling you. The working man's complacency backfired. The swamp grew and served as excellent lubricant for the agent and his turncoats. I don't care about your fabrications. I lived in a country where the worker was king, and the speculator felled the forests. And I don't care what this former blocher says. Let him reforge himself. You can't please everyone. The main thing is to be a hard worker, let him become one.
                        And I always got a solid A in history.
                      13. 0
                        30 October 2025 13: 07
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And I always got a solid A in history.

                        So your teacher simply gave them to you without paying attention.

                        I'll repeat it for you.
                        - Did dispossession actually happen? Yes! Was it mentioned in Soviet textbooks? Yes! And you'll have to dispossess that peasant; you can't escape it!
                        - Was there complete nationalization? Was there? Was it described in Soviet textbooks? It was described!!! And you will have to!!!!
                        Was there population registration based on place of residence? Yes, there was! This was also described in Soviet textbooks, modestly, in a couple of lines, but it was there – "prohibiting dismissal and criminalizing absenteeism"!! And you'll do the same thing – to register workers – and the reason for the initial period is the same – war...
                        - Were the causes of the Revolution described in Soviet textbooks? They were: total poverty and defeat in the war! Oh, come on, those are two of the four reasons I described...

                        This is how you - spitting on the history of your country and not understanding the reasons - will try to build something there.

                        Z. S
                        My farmer's net profit for last year was 24 million. And the LLC's property was 60 million...
                        And what he will do with those who take it from him - burn, shoot at windows, etc. (taking into account new technologies) - is also in Soviet It is described in textbooks

                        Well, at least read it. SOVIET history textbooks.

                        Z. Y.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        About corruption in the Cheka/NKVD?
                        The NKVD had departments that dealt with economic crimes. The number of employees in these departments executed was almost four times higher than in other departments—but there was no corruption in the NKVD.
                        And yes, for my area, the 1926 1*25,000 ALL maps are classified. Absolutely everything has changed - the river has shifted 400 meters, ponds have appeared and disappeared, roads are in completely different places, forest plantations, wells, the terrain has changed, but they are all classified. How could they have told you about the total bribery in the Cheka by 1924, given such a miserable situation in the USSR? During the reforms, it was precisely because of this that three-quarters of the Cheka's powers were taken away - but the remaining powers were quite sufficient for the OGPU. mass falsification of cases. And it was necessary to reorganize it again into the NKVD
                      14. -1
                        30 October 2025 15: 43
                        Mistake, it's not the peasant who profits, it's the bourgeois who profits from agriculture. I live in a peasant community. They don't smell of hunger, but they remember the state farm fondly, and they really dislike the parasite.

                        The shooting was done by those same simple-minded farmhands, stupefied by millennia of priests. Well, how many of those kulaks were there in reality? However, the simple-minded or bandit "revolutionaries" did a lot to achieve this. They had to break the patriarchal peasant over their knee. That's true. Today the situation is completely different.

                        A working person (the majority) needs decent pay and social benefits, and why would they need your private shop, where thieves are thieves and they're being driven? Why would a thief—an oligarch or a government official—work with a monthly salary, as if he were sitting on a toilet, bringing in clean diamonds for the state?

                        Where did you get this information about the Cheka/NKVD? From a history textbook?lol
                        I also wrote science fiction stories in my youth. Was it hunger that fueled the imagination of a young anti-Soviet boy?
                      15. 0
                        30 October 2025 17: 14
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Mistake, it is not the peasant who makes a profit, it is the bourgeois who makes a profit from agriculture.

                        Well, they said you wouldn't shoot. lol lol lol

                        Quote: Essex62
                        A decent wage for the working person (the majority)

                        How much should a worker in a rural area earn with +50 degrees Celsius in the steppe in the summer and a harvest every 3-5 years?
                        Can you tell me the amount?

                        Quote: Essex62
                        A government official with a monthly salary, as if he were sitting on the toilet and bringing the state clean diamonds?
                        lol As a customs officer, I brought in 12 million rubles a month in state duties and VAT and earned a whopping 4,700 rubles a month (early 2000s). So the situation is the exact opposite of your diamond-studded fantasies...

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Where did you get this information about the Cheka/NKVD? From a history textbook?

                        Documents from the Cheka/OGPU/NKVD from the 1920s and 30s were declassified long ago. These aren't historical studies, just bare documents. Read proper history—not the "cold hands, clean minds" nonsense.
                        Do you think it was just a coincidence that foreigners started leaving en masse in the 1930s? Or were all intelligence officers anti-Soviet?

                        And regarding corruption
                        For example, the "mill case" - when the OGPU discovered more than 300 underground mills, a bunch of people were imprisoned, and after 2 years it turned out that all affairs falsified lol and shot a bunch of OGPU officers for it.
                        Or the famous meeting of the People's Commissariat of Communications and the Prosecutor's Office in 1934. Everything there is a masterpiece - HOW they stole in the People's Commissariat of Communications.
                        but there is a twist - "Vladimirova was given 10 years for the theft of 90,000 rubles in transfers, but FORGOT arrest him and he naturally ran away"
          2. +1
            27 October 2025 13: 11
            Quote: your1970
            So you can forget about evolution...

            I completely agree with you for the first time. Given the current situation in Russia, an evolutionary path of development is no longer possible.
            1. 0
              29 October 2025 09: 39
              Never say never. Everything flows, everything changes. The current situation will flow into another, and then...
              1. 0
                29 October 2025 10: 21
                Quote: Essex62
                Never say never. Everything flows, everything changes. The current situation will flow into another, and then...

                No, no, the most complex contradictions in the Great and Mighty! laughing
                But essentially, I wrote: IN THE CURRENT SITUATION. And when it flows out, even our grandchildren will be old...
                1. 0
                  29 October 2025 14: 01
                  If Leopold continues to Leopold, anything could happen tomorrow. Feudal raw materials capitalism is stalling.
                  1. 0
                    29 October 2025 15: 02
                    Quote: Essex62
                    If Leopold continues to Leopold, anything could happen tomorrow. Feudal raw materials capitalism is stalling.

                    Leopold will continue to Leopold himself to the Swan Lake. And feudal raw materials capitalism may stall for another 50-100 years.
                    1. 0
                      29 October 2025 15: 08
                      In a situation where the state and the nation are facing demise? Doubtful.
                      1. 0
                        29 October 2025 15: 20
                        Quote: Essex62
                        In a situation where the state and the nation are facing the end?

                        Is there any threat now? And how is it there?
                        They'll squeeze every last drop of life out of the country, and then, amidst a flurry of activity, like with the Wagner March, they'll board planes and fly off to their new homeland. Just like Yanukovych, Assad, and many, many others did.
                      2. 0
                        29 October 2025 15: 31
                        That's exactly what's threatening right now. Yanukovych and Assad had somewhere to go. But where are these guys going? The clan clearly doesn't have that option. The Hague will be looming large.
                      3. 0
                        29 October 2025 15: 34
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Yanukovych and Assad had somewhere to go. But where are these guys going? The clan clearly doesn't have that option. The Hague will be looming large.

                        Whether it's to Bat'ka, or to Kim, or to Xi. And no one wants to drag all the clan members to The Hague.
                      4. 0
                        29 October 2025 17: 17
                        If we're screwed, then the old man gets a machine gun too. And the yellow guys don't give a damn about our gang, even with the money. Bigger problems.
                        They're not pulling their weight because Russia is capable of giving them a beating even today, and they're its power. Those who want to are short-handed. It's a paradox, but it's true. Not everyone there knows it's an operation and everyone's in on it. They'd happily drag the fighters to the black bench. And whoever planned all this and didn't object—they'd be left hanging.
      4. +5
        26 October 2025 18: 15
        Our Central Bank, while supposedly fighting inflation, has put our economy in a puddle. Of course, our head of the Central Bank is the best in the world. And then they simply repeat to us the scenario according to which the USSR was derailed by the war and the cutting of oil and gas revenues. Then Saudi Arabia and the United States dropped oil to $10 a barrel and we went bankrupt, and now they simply do not allow us to sell. But the effect is the same. It hits everyone in the pockets.
        1. +4
          27 October 2025 02: 46
          Fairy tales of the perestroika era. The USSR fought wars constantly after WWII. Afghanistan was a bit larger, but for such a powerful economy, it was nothing. There were no changes in utility pricing or social programs. Oil and gas revenues weren't decisive in a planned economy. There was an opportunity, and they took advantage. If they'd cut it off, they could have done without it.
          A personnel problem. A departure from core principles. And the icing on the cake: an agent on a Kremlin stool.
          The bourgeois Russian Federation, heavily dependent on oil and having destroyed its entire production, could easily be strangled. You're absolutely right about that.
    2. +8
      26 October 2025 08: 01
      Hunter 2
      Today, 04: 49
      And what’s most interesting is that no one is to blame, no one was fired, no one was imprisoned... It’s surreal!

      hi At the same time, the richest 146 billionaires in the Russian Federation have become richer by more than 20 billion dollars in the not-yet-ended 2025.
      This means there are still reserves, and it is possible to conclude a deal between them and the state on a loan with mandatory repayment in the future under state guarantees.
      Why should the previously plundered national wealth be kept in the piggy banks of the chosen few? what
      1. +17
        26 October 2025 08: 24
        Quote: ZovSailor
        Why should the previously plundered national wealth be kept in the piggy banks of the chosen few?

        Why should the currency received for selling public property go into the pockets of thieves?
        1. -9
          26 October 2025 08: 37
          Ross xnumx
          Today, 08: 24
          Why should the currency received for selling public property go into the pockets of thieves?

          hi That's why it's necessary to negotiate with "honest and patriotic" capitalists, not by focusing on the thieving acquisition of start-up capital, but rather by treating them as effective managers who continue to use the nation's wealth.
        2. +7
          26 October 2025 11: 28
          Why should the currency received for selling public property go into the pockets of thieves?

          Because we don’t have our own Singaporean Lee Kuan Yew in Russia, who will cut out this entire gang of thieves that is in power at the roots!
        3. -7
          26 October 2025 19: 56
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Why should the currency received for selling public property go into the pockets of thieves?

          Customs revenue, primarily energy export duties, accounted for 52% of the state budget through 2022. The Federal Tax Service provided another 30%.
          In total, at least 82% of the Russian Federation budget was taken from the "pockets of thieves."
          And in "communist people's" China there are 1086 dollar billionaires
          1. +4
            26 October 2025 20: 05
            Quote: your1970
            And in "communist people's" China there are 1086 dollar billionaires

            If Russia's economy were even half as good as China's, and embezzlers and other (war) criminals were treated like China's, I would simply remain silent...
            stop There, the population has increased by 325,000,000 people during the modern history of Russia...
            1. -2
              26 October 2025 23: 26
              Quote: ROSS 42
              If embezzlers and other (war) criminals were treated like in China, I would simply remain silent...

              To put this into perspective, there are 7.3 million officials in China, 4.6 million of whom have been held accountable – this is approximately 70% of the total number over 10 years.
              It means:
              1) If we leave out the very low-level officials - those who are not given bribes due to the fact that they do not make any decisions (archivists, secretaries, personnel officers, press services and all sorts of other small stuff) - then this means that ALL(!!!) decision makers - caught in varying levels of corruption over the past 10 years.
              2) this in turn means that the bulk decision makers officials in China have less than 10 years of experience- which is the worst kind of trash for absolutely any state

              The conclusion is that this is not a fight against corruption, it is total a purge on the level of 1937 - when all dissenters were purged and their own people were appointed.

              "In China, over the past 10 years, more than 4,6 млн corruption cases

              The Global Times clarified that, among other things, official criminal cases were opened against 553 central office officials.
              TASS website editors
              19 October 2022, 15: 35
              BEIJING, October 19. /TASS/. Chinese authorities have opened more than 4,6 million corruption cases since 2012, the Global Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.
              According to her, since the 18th Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) in 2012, thanks to the CPC Central Commission for Discipline Inspection and the State Supervisory Committee, the country has More than 4,6 million corruption cases have been opened.
              https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/16097047
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              2. 0
                27 October 2025 03: 30
                Our Uncle Zyu opportunists look more like social democrats than the functionaries of the Communist Party of Ukraine. laughing
          2. +4
            27 October 2025 13: 44
            Quote: your1970
            Customs revenue, primarily energy export duties, accounted for 52% of the state budget through 2022. The Federal Tax Service provided another 30%.
            In total, at least 82% of the Russian Federation budget was taken from the "pockets of thieves."

            There's no need to start singing the praises again... We've already discussed this. The largest revenue source for the Russian budget is VAT. That's why it's being jacked up. The second largest source is the mineral extraction tax, which is paid domestically by the people. And only on exported raw materials do the oligarchs pay "from their own" mineral extraction tax on crude oil in 2025 – 919 rubles per ton. A ton of oil currently costs 38,440 rubles. That means 1/40th of the oil trade revenue goes to the treasury, or 2,5%. Oil export duties are currently 0,0%! ZERO!!!
            So, the bourgeois pockets 97,5% of the country's oil, minus the cost of extraction. Not bad, huh?
            1. -2
              27 October 2025 15: 41
              Quote: Zoer
              We've already discussed this. The largest revenue item in the Russian budget is VAT.

              Mmm, no?
              Quote: your1970
              to 2022



              Quote: Zoer
              That is, the bourgeois from the depths of the country puts 97,5% into his pocket.

              Suddenly, the Russian Federation's budget is calculated in trillions, 52% of the budget, the oligarchs have been in their positions for decades, but for some reason they are still pocketing 97,5% NOT dollar trillionaires.
              Somewhere along the way to the oligarchs' pockets, these trillions disappear, right?
              1. +2
                27 October 2025 15: 55
                Quote: your1970
                Mmm, no?
                Quote: your1970
                to 2022

                Okay, so until 2022, the oil export duty was $70 per ton, or about 10% of the oil price. Why on earth were they given such a freebie during wartime?
                Quote: your1970
                Suddenly, the Russian Federation's budget is calculated in trillions, 52% of the budget, the oligarchs have been in their positions for decades, but, while pocketing 97,5%, for some reason they are still NOT dollar trillionaires.

                Is our budget calculated in dollars? Or convert billionaires into rubles, and it would still be trillions. V. Potanin. $31,7 billion x 80 = 2,48 trillion. fellow
                And the total wealth of our oligarchs is $625 billion x 80 = 50 trillion. Almost the country's annual budget. feel
                1. -2
                  27 October 2025 16: 30
                  Quote: Zoer
                  V. Potanin. $31,7 billion x80= 2,48 trillion.
                  And the total wealth of our oligarchs is $625 billion x 80 = 50 trillion. Almost the annual budget of the countriess.

                  Have they been working for 1 year? They must have a minimum one and a half budget of the Russian Federation for 3 years.
                  And considering that they
                  Quote: your1970
                  in their places decades
                  - they should be DOLLAR trillionaires, not rubles.
                  When Yanukovych was ousted, a joke appeared in Ukraine a year later: "Everyone thought Yanukovych was stealing, but he was adding his own money to the budget." (c)
                  52% of the Russian budget, of which they retain 97.5%, would have long ago made them dollar trillionaires. But they have a measly 50 trillion between them.

                  And yes, their billions are mostly stock price fluctuations, not real money.
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2025 17: 23
                    Quote: your1970
                    They should be DOLLAR trillionaires, not ruble ones.

                    By this logic, the Russian budget should contain trillions of dollars.
                    Apparently our oligarchs are siphoning off their money. To the Shevchenkos, etc.
                    Quote: your1970
                    52% of the budget of the Russian Federation

                    Let's go over it again, letter by letter. All raw materials collected in the form of mineral extraction tax (MET) contribute no more than 25% of the Russian Federation's budget.
                    1. -1
                      27 October 2025 18: 07
                      Quote: Zoer
                      By this logic, the Russian budget should contain trillions of dollars.

                      Repeat
                      Quote: your1970
                      Have they been in business for one year? They should have at least one and a half times the Russian Federation's budget for three years.
                      And considering that they
                      1. +1
                        28 October 2025 08: 58
                        Quote: your1970
                        Repeat

                        So, in your opinion, they are SECRETLY patronizing the Russian budget? Something like the Order of the Cloak and Barrel? laughing Or can you name some other payments from the bourgeoisie to our state?
                        Although in fact there are no real investments from them (although these will also be THEIR funds, as the founders of this or that plant/ship) into the Russian economy. request
                      2. +1
                        28 October 2025 09: 17
                        Quote: your1970
                        Repeat

                        It's all in the public domain...
                        In 2024, Russia sold 240 million tons of oil, or 1,747 trillion barrels. Let's assume a price of $60 per barrel. The cost of production in Russia that same year was estimated at $11 per barrel. That comes out to $49 per barrel in revenue, from which the bourgeoisie paid 2,5% of the mineral extraction tax in 2024 (only on exports, but whatever, we'll count everything). That leaves $47,8 in the bourgeoisie's pocket for every barrel.
                        Total: 1,747 trillion barrels x $47,8 = $83,5 trillion per year that our oil oligarchs pocket. Russian budget expenditures in 2025 are $0,5 trillion.
                        Did I miscalculate something somewhere?
                      3. -2
                        28 October 2025 17: 20
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Total: 1,747 trillion barrels x $47,8 = $83,5 trillion per year our oil oligarchs are raking it into their pockets

                        Surnames Russian dollar trillionaires - otherwise, the Forbes lists are full of pathetic, penniless billionaires...
                        What to do with this?
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And the total wealth of our oligarchs $ 625 billion x 80 = 50 trillion.
                        ??
                        You can compare it yourself. "$625 billion fortune" и "83.5 trillion a year(!!!!!!")??
                        You know the difference more than 100 times don't you see ?????!!!!!
                      4. +2
                        28 October 2025 19: 14
                        Quote: your1970
                        What to do with this?
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And the total wealth of our oligarchs is $625 billion x 80 = 50 trillion.
                        ??
                        Are you able to compare "$625 billion in wealth" and "$83.5 trillion a year(!!!!!!")????

                        Don't ask Albanian questions. Any complaints about the figures? Did I lie about something? Figures are stubborn things. So answer this question: Where is ZINA's money?
                      5. -2
                        28 October 2025 23: 36
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Numbers are stubborn things. So answer this question: Where is ZINA's money?

                        And you opened it most interesting The thing is that the USA is slightly higher in budget than Romania compared to our oligarchs.
                        Our budget
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Total: 1,747 trillion barrels x $47,8 = $83,5 trillion per year Our oil oligarchs are raking it into their pockets.

                        US budget
                        "The US federal budget for fiscal year 2025 (from October 1, 2024, to September 30, 2025) has been published. I suggest you look at the document for comparison.
                        So, the income amounted to 5,235 trillion, expenditures - $7,010 trillion, the final annual US budget deficit"
                        Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2025/10/27/o-byudzhete-ssha-za-2025-y-finansovyy-god-deficit-sostavil-bolee-25
                        That is, the budget of our oligarchs is 16 (sixteen!!) times larger than the US budget.
                        And Germany, with its $0.6 trillion budget, could buy a dozen... oh damn, there's only one...

                        You seriously Are you suggesting that we believe your figures after this?
                      6. 0
                        29 October 2025 09: 21
                        Quote: your1970
                        Are you seriously suggesting that we believe your figures after this?

                        I seriously propose to refute my figures with other figures and facts.
                        As for the US, they're number one in oligarchs. And their social stratification is no less than ours, maybe a little. But it all adds up: 99% / 1%. There, too, 1% of the population owns 99% of the country's wealth. My figures on oil trade and the budget show exactly this.
                        So that's where ZIN's money is. Yes
                      7. -2
                        29 October 2025 10: 02
                        Quote: Zoer
                        So that's where ZIN's money is.

                        Once again for you -
                        Quote: Zoer
                        $83,5 trillion

                        Quote: Zoer
                        $625 billion x 80 = 50 trillion.

                        Your numbers don't add up. between themselves - either the first or the second is a lie
                      8. +1
                        29 October 2025 10: 27
                        Quote: your1970
                        Once again for you -

                        Quote: your1970
                        Once again for you -

                        Once again for you:
                        Just 1% of the world's richest people own more wealth than the rest of the planet's population combined, according to a report prepared by the British charity Oxfam for the latest World Economic Forum in Davos.

                        I didn't come up with this...
                      9. -2
                        29 October 2025 10: 49
                        Quote: Zoer
                        I didn't come up with this...

                        what does this have to do with the discrepancy? lol in your numbers -83,5 trillion bucks and 50 trillion rubles?
                      10. +1
                        29 October 2025 10: 57
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: Zoer
                        I didn't come up with this...

                        what does this have to do with the discrepancy? lol in your numbers -83,5 trillion bucks and 50 trillion rubles?

                        Direct. The same stratification, 1% to 99%, in Russia as elsewhere in the world.
                      11. -2
                        29 October 2025 11: 22
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: Zoer
                        I didn't come up with this...

                        what does this have to do with the discrepancy? lol in your numbers -83,5 trillion bucks and 50 trillion rubles?

                        Direct. The same stratification, 1% to 99%, in Russia as elsewhere in the world.


                        i.e on the one hand, the state Our oligarchs have 50 trillion rubles, but on the other hand their own condition 83,5 trillion dollars?
                        lol lol lol
                        You completely made my day...
                      12. 0
                        29 October 2025 13: 49
                        Quote: your1970
                        That is, on the one hand, our oligarchs' fortune is 50 trillion rubles, but on the other hand, their fortune is 83,5 trillion dollars?

                        On the one hand, these are FORBES estimates, what's declared. On the other hand, these are just estimates; which rivers flow through them, and where they flow to is unclear. I'm tired of asking you. Do you have any other figures? Can you explain where all this goes?
                      13. -1
                        29 October 2025 15: 26
                        Quote: Zoer
                        On the other hand, these are simply estimates; which rivers flow through them, and where they flow to is unclear.

                        It is a abstract numbers out of thin air.
                        Such money cannot go into the shadows because it is a budget All countries of the world in 15-20 years (USA 5, China 2,5, and then just pennies).
                        Do you seriously think Forbes wouldn't notice these people and these Everests of money? The Rothschilds and their ilk are penniless compared to people who are capable of, say, paying off the US national debt without breaking a sweat.
    3. +1
      28 October 2025 02: 56
      Quote: Hunter 2
      It's all sad, of course. The decline in oil and gas revenues is being offset by increased burdens on the population and small businesses, instead of imposing additional taxes on those receiving EXCESS PROFITS. Statements like "you can't dip into reserves" are also disturbing... apparently, they can only be successfully transferred abroad, invested in foreign economies, and then frozen, effectively stealing them.
      And what’s most interesting is that no one is to blame, no one was fired, no one was imprisoned... It’s surreal!

      VAT will yield no long-term benefits. This has already been proven in the 18-20 period. Consumer demand will simply decline. We need to stop taxing the Russian population and businesses, and instead, we need to stifle our own tax authorities so they don't harass businesses. At the same time, we must maintain our grip on business inspections related to public and state security (food products). We should also reduce funding for the quasi-allies of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Armenia, and charge interest on transfers to these countries. Removing the recycling fee if AvtoTaz can't handle the costs means shutting down and focusing on developing and copying Western models—the Chinese have succeeded. The quality of food and fuel, coupled with rising electricity and fuel prices, declining demand in the auto and construction markets, the legal system, and migrants, will further lead to the destruction of the state.
      1. 0
        28 October 2025 03: 00
        For example, representatives of the Russian Consulate General participated in a ceremony handing over more than 121 tons of sunflower oil. WFP representatives will distribute it to those in need in the south of the country.
        The Russian Federation is the largest donor to the UN WFP in Kyrgyzstan.
      2. 0
        29 October 2025 19: 14
        That's the ultimate goal. They didn't finish us off, they thought we'd fold on our own. Gayropa, without the Masons' money, would have definitely folded after WW2. But we're pulling through on our own, as always. They realized they'd screwed up, they hadn't done their job properly. They resorted to tried-and-true mechanisms.
  2. +11
    26 October 2025 04: 53
    2% VAT... oh well, that's nothing, but fuel prices have gone up by 15%, now that's something to behold! I have a feeling a fun winter is in store for the population, especially after the summer's 15-20% hike in utility prices across the regions... I'm afraid to even count them. recourse
    1. +21
      26 October 2025 05: 43
      Everyone was waiting for Europe to freeze over from exorbitant utility prices. laughing .
      Gazprom's dreams come true Yes .
  3. +39
    26 October 2025 05: 07
    The questions in the article are rhetorical. All adults in Russia know the answers to them perfectly well.
    What's happening with the Russian economy? Everything's fine, we're falling.
    Should we expect prices to rise? We should. This is the only thing that's growing steadily in our country, and will continue to do so at an accelerating rate. This is happening alongside increased business downtime, closures, and so on.
    In short, there will be no money in the country for anything other than the fascinating activity of burying its own people in forest plantations without any rational purpose.
    1. +33
      26 October 2025 06: 49
      What's happening with the Russian economy? Should we expect price increases?
      It's like the joke about gasoline: oil gets cheaper, gasoline gets more expensive. Oil gets more expensive, gasoline gets more expensive. Oil doesn't do anything, gasoline still gets more expensive. Gasoline is single-minded and doesn't care about conventions. Be like gasoline!
      1. +20
        26 October 2025 07: 22
        Quote: SERGE ant
        As in an anecdote about gasoline

        In the joke, gasoline is given a separate entity and a will of its own. It's as if it's decided for itself to constantly rise in price! Regardless of anything.
        But life isn't a joke. And rising gas prices, and everything else for that matter, are a logical consequence of the leadership's policies. The kind of policies that only make for jokes.
        1. +23
          26 October 2025 07: 43
          .... Life is not a joke. And rising prices for gasoline, and for everything else, are a natural result of the policies being pursued....


          After almost four years of war, even the Z-patriots have become disillusioned with it....
          No one thought that the Ministry of Defense would be so corrupt and ruthless towards its own people, and that the top military-political leadership would be incapable of making wise and prudent decisions ((....
        2. +16
          26 October 2025 08: 30
          Quote: Stas157
          But life isn't a joke. And rising gas prices, and everything else for that matter, are a logical consequence of the leadership's policies. The kind of policies that only make for jokes.

          This is not a joke, this is the most ordinary financial pyramid like "MMM"...
          And we still hope to buy our wife some boots and become partners...
    2. +16
      26 October 2025 08: 49
      "What's happening with the Russian economy? Everything's fine, we're falling."
      When I hear such panicky statements, I just laugh out loud. laughing Calm down, comrades, nothing will happen to our economy; what's long been dead won't die. What kind of economy can we talk about if, starting with nails and going on, nothing more complex than nails is produced in the country? As they like to say these days, technology has been lost. The military-industrial complex is still thrashing along, still using Soviet-era models and reserves, and the food industry is just mixing chemicals and industrial waste into mass-produced food for the electorate, and that's it. So, take a deep breath, everyone, and calm down—nothing will happen to our economy; it's been gone for a long time.
      1. +11
        26 October 2025 09: 06
        And the forum members called this economy the fourth in the world. They were obviously lying. belay .
        1. -12
          26 October 2025 10: 01
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote: Anglorussian
          And the forum members called this economy the fourth in the world. They were obviously lying.

          They're not lying. Others have it even worse.
          The primary source of inflation is the key (%) rate of the Central Bank.
          1. +8
            26 October 2025 10: 15
            And who has "others"? Do you believe it yourself?
            1. -9
              26 October 2025 10: 44
              Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

              Quote: Anglorussian
              And who has "others"? Do you believe it yourself?

              Don't know why people in Europe are rebelling? Do you think it's because life is good?
              1. +1
                26 October 2025 10: 48
                Almost exclusively marginalized people rebel out of idleness. So yes, because life is good. At least there are no food riots here, I can assure you.
              2. +1
                27 October 2025 13: 57
                Quote: Boris55
                Don't know why people in Europe are rebelling? Do you think it's because life is good?

                No, I don't know. But what's more interesting is that in the article next to this one, the author was discussing how the economy is doing in 404.
                https://topwar.ru/272745-kak-rossii-pobedit-v-blizhajshie-tri-goda.html
                And it turns out inflation there is lower than ours. Their economic growth is higher than ours. Yes, all public sector employees rely on EU and US donations, but still, it's far less than Russia's oil and gas revenues. Their GDP in PPP terms turned out to be practically the same as ours...
                This isn't a mistake – Ukraine's key interest rate is currently a full one percent lower than Russia's. GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power parity, is around $14,000 – below the pre-war level, but clearly above expectations. The IMF claims that the equivalent figure in Russia is $14,260.

                And here you are talking about riots in Europe.
        2. +4
          26 October 2025 10: 24
          Purchasing power parity and gross domestic product, which are used to measure everything these days, aren't economics. They're a rough approximation of the number of rich people and how much money they can spend.
      2. +11
        26 October 2025 16: 03
        Quote: ZloyKot
        When I hear such panicked statements, I just burst out laughing. Calm down, comrades, nothing will happen to our economy, what has long been dead will not die.

        This isn't panic, it's a quote from "Only Old Men Are Going to Battle" - Everything's fine, I'm falling. smile
        You're right, of course, but there are nuances. Our economy is structured like a log: we sell raw materials and low-value products, get dollars, give some to the oligarchs, officials steal some (and also transfer them abroad), and buy industrial goods with the rest. The rest goes to the "electorate."
        Now the scheme hasn't changed, only sales and dollars have become tight... But the margin for oligarchs and theft has remained the same.
        So it's not like nothing will happen. The joke about a father and son is more relevant here.
        "Now, dad, will you drink less? No, son, now you will eat less."
  4. +7
    26 October 2025 05: 36
    The logical result of ill-considered policy. Over the last twenty years, at least. And what does the contraction of the consumer economy and the transfer of labor to other sectors mean? From agriculture? And what will this labor force eat?
  5. +17
    26 October 2025 05: 53
    A society that has not learned the lessons of history, having made a turn to the top, will again descend to the bottom... Russia will find itself in a situation reminiscent of somewhere around 1905 - 1917.
    1. +12
      26 October 2025 07: 47
      Not quite so. The situation may be similar, but society and the system of protecting power are completely different. You can compare the indecisive Nikolai with Putin, for example. But there is a difference. Currently, there is a system for suppressing opposition movements and leaders. And it's quite effective. If the economy really goes south, the only possible solution is for Putin's current entourage to remove him. As has happened more than once in our history. A bone to the people, and the designation of someone guilty of all sins.
      1. +9
        26 October 2025 09: 00
        "If the economy really goes belly up, the only possible solution is for Putin's current entourage to remove him. As has happened many times in our history. A bone to the people, and the designation of the guilty party for all sins."
        A controversial statement. If things really get tough, the entourage will rush west, to their families, homes, and incomes, and what does some loser matter to them? They need to reunite themselves, and let him continue playing at being president. Although he might be the first to flee abroad, to some warm island, but in this case, the entourage won't hesitate. They'll elect some acting president, declare war on Monaco, and surrender in half an hour. And everything will be fine, just like before. laughing
        1. +10
          26 October 2025 09: 09
          They won't take us to the West—politicians here are touchy and vindictive, they'll skim us off and send us to The Hague (quite the West, but there's a catch). So that their example can serve as a lesson to others.
          1. +11
            26 October 2025 09: 14
            "They won't take you to the West - the politicians here are touchy and vindictive, they'll strip you of your fat and send you to The Hague."
            I don't argue, some will be left out, those who share will become stingy. The rest will pass, the paths have probably already been trodden. laughing They didn't touch Chubaiser, pay up and sleep peacefully. laughing
            1. +3
              26 October 2025 09: 19
              Chubais only had one Russian passport. Those who remain in Russia are now considered a priori "pro-Kremlin" and therefore suitable for public flogging.
              1. +9
                26 October 2025 09: 21
                "Chubais only had one Russian passport."
                Not quite so. His positions were quite Russian, too. For example, the last one, from which he ran home, was advisor to the president on something or other.
                1. -3
                  26 October 2025 09: 22
                  But he clearly didn’t work in this position for the President of the Russian Federation.
                  1. +8
                    26 October 2025 09: 24
                    "But he clearly didn't work for the President of the Russian Federation in this position."
                    In my opinion, the president thought that he was working for him, or was he deceived, as usual?
                    1. 0
                      26 October 2025 09: 28
                      Not as usual, but as usual. Judging by Tolik's activity and history, one can't help but suspect him of being a mole. So, if you got such a tame clown in the US or even Portugal, would you let him go? Especially since he's clearly happy to do the work?
                      1. +3
                        26 October 2025 09: 34
                        "a tame clown in the government"
                        Who are you referring to? Tolik was the one watching.
                      2. 0
                        26 October 2025 09: 42
                        The collapse of the USSR and the restoration of capitalism in Russia took place under the control (I admit, partial, but still) of US and UK intelligence agencies. Therefore, one cannot help but suspect many historical figures in recent Russian history of simple espionage. And privatization is no exception—why would he spend money from the center? We'll give him an oil refinery and everyone's happy!
                        By the way, it was precisely by relying on Khodorkovsky's people remaining in the Russian Federation that the special services hoped to shake up the situation from within the Russian Federation, but they seriously overestimated his influence—as analysts close to the government wrote here.
                  2. +6
                    26 October 2025 10: 27
                    To say this, you need to know who the president works for.
                    1. -5
                      26 October 2025 10: 29
                      Clearly not to the West - otherwise peace/friendship/chewing gum would not have gone anywhere.
                      1. +10
                        26 October 2025 10: 39
                        But not at the people either. Maybe at aliens?
                      2. -4
                        26 October 2025 10: 42
                        Probably to Pyongyang. Preparing Russians for communism.
                    2. +6
                      26 October 2025 14: 55
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Who does the president work for?

                      He's a narcissist. Everything else is in 25th place for him.
  6. P
    +9
    26 October 2025 06: 12
    When revenues don't grow, but decline, they need to be increased further—that's how it works, right? And the destruction of small and medium-sized businesses will lead to monopolization, and monopolists monetize their position both by raising prices, which drives inflation, and by buying support from government agencies, gaining protection from interference and contracts (at inflated prices, of course).
  7. +11
    26 October 2025 06: 29
    What's happening to the Russian economy?

    Whatever you do with the Russian economy, it's still heading for the cemetery...
    1. +2
      26 October 2025 19: 51
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Whatever you do with the Russian economy, it still heads for the graveyard.

      The guarantor chooses such assistants that what you're writing about is only a matter of time! As they say... in sorrow and in joy. These assistants are only there for joy.
  8. -2
    26 October 2025 06: 32
    Glazyev suggests not addressing the situation as a whole, but rather sector-by-sector. Take a specific industry, lower its key rate, and when the situation improves, move on to another. Serebryakov, director of the Kirov plant, went even further. He outlined the overall changes in the economy. The key message in his message is that the economy should serve people. Economics is a complex science. Statistics is much simpler. From the very beginning, we began copying the structure of society from other countries without delving into the details. In the US, there are states from which the federal government does not collect taxes. This is done to attract businesses to these states. The financial structure itself must be based on public trust. Without it, there is simply no way.
    1. +12
      26 October 2025 08: 34
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Glazyev proposes not to correct the situation as a whole, but rather by industry.

      Glazyev? Isn't that the one in the photo with Shokhin, Aven, and Chubais?
      What if private ownership of subsoil and resources were abolished?
      1. -4
        26 October 2025 20: 12
        Quote: ROSS 42
        What if private ownership of subsoil and resources were abolished?

        Do you seriously think that dollar billionaires have billions of dollars stacked up somewhere, down to the last penny?
        No, they are billionaires based on the share price of Norilsk Nickel or Gazprom.
        By taking Norilsk Nickel/Gazprom away from them, we will get 1) a collapse of the stock price to zero, 2) an increase of about 10-12 billion dollars in cash per year, no more. FOR EVERYTHING nationalized enterprises, 3) the need to get(???) from somewhere ALL senior and middle management of companies.
        You can see for yourself the level of management efficiency in state-owned companies these days.
    2. -6
      26 October 2025 09: 54
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Glazyev proposes to correct the situation not as a whole, but by industry

      The military-industrial complex, agriculture, and some other sectors are already being financed at 3-5%. The results are clear. The boss of "our" Central Bank is very unhappy about this. Siluanov has joined Nabiullina with his 2%... By the way, the Duma has already passed the budget in its first reading.

      ps
      At one time, Glzyev, on some television program, unabashedly expressed the idea of ​​selling off the subsoil:
  9. +11
    26 October 2025 06: 37
    Perhaps we should audit not only revenues but also expenses? Where does the revenue from oil and gas exports go? The 300 billion rubles frozen in Europe were withdrawn from the Russian economy. Were they not needed there? So why export only to later invest the proceeds in a foreign economy? The USSR began exporting gas to Europe because, as a result of the "reforms" of Nikita the Joker and the equally successful agricultural management of the many-time hero Brezhnev, there was no grain and the country was forced to buy grain abroad. For several years now, we've been told that Russia has achieved food self-sufficiency in key areas. So why does the country need excess currency? To increase the number of dollar billionaires, to export the profits and dividends of foreign companies, and for the benefit of Interior Ministry colonels and Defense Ministry generals hoarding cash dollars in their rooms?
    Once again, I propose a thorough audit of the country's expenditures. Perhaps it will turn out that so much revenue isn't needed.
    1. +7
      26 October 2025 09: 04
      "So why export only to invest the resulting income in a foreign economy?"
      It seems to me that in the process of withdrawing all this, some of the withdrawn material managed to stick to the hands of those withdrawing it. Well, really, they shouldn't work for free.
    2. +6
      26 October 2025 09: 16
      Where does the income go? To benefits!
      We're constantly told that small and medium-sized businesses need support, otherwise they'll die! Are they economically ineffective, existing only in a "tax-free zone"? And what about large businesses that pay all their taxes, while oligarchic businesses, "with oversight like ours, are more profitable," are they more effective? So what's the point of these small businesses then?
      Preferential mortgage? Ha ha ha!! They chose the most expensive entry point, and now I, like the rest of us, as taxpayers, have to foot the bill for all the builders' and bankers' whims! Look around, a third of our advertising is for real estate, which is only of interest to 0,0001% of the population! But we're all paying for it, for these astronomical advertising budgets! I wonder what the cost price is per square meter, and how much it costs?
      Then there was the idea of ​​a compulsory medical insurance tax on the unemployed, 45 rubles a year. Ha ha ha!! I work legally, in the education system, and they charge me 30%+13% in taxes. But the self-employed pay 6-8% of their income, that's 8 times less!!! Why do they get such benefits? Are these "freelance artists" and other tutors the most essential members of society?
      It's no longer surprising that oysters are subject to a reduced VAT rate, as they are classified as "baby food."
      1. +4
        26 October 2025 09: 40
        "And the big one that pays all the taxes"
        How much tax did he underpay? And how much was refunded to him under the pretext of all sorts of economic regulations? Maybe, if everything is calculated correctly, then some company called "Nymph," damn it, pays on par with Rosneft?
        1. +3
          26 October 2025 10: 05
          As an employee (and that's 80-90% of the population), I'm interested in being paid on time. I've personally verified this: oligarchs pay wages fairly and even fire people with a "golden parachute," while the rest... wages are "gray," they can go six months without payment (both legal and gray). You quit with nothing, a year and a half of running around in court, and then get a nice piece of paper saying you've been paid 600 rubles out of 200,000 rubles over six years.
          Long live the oligarchy!!!
          1. +5
            26 October 2025 12: 15
            Quote: Not the fighter
            As an employee (and this is 80-90% of the population), I am interested in being paid on time.

            But at the same time, you, who've never had a business, are talking about how bad small business is... Let's start with a simple one: 2/3 of small businesses will close because they can't afford the plant-level payments (and all the other on-staff traffic inspectors, accountants, QA, etc., because they simply don't have that kind of income) and they'll lay off 20 million people due to the closures, and the rest will raise prices 2-3 times due to a lack of competition and demand, but naturally not wages, since there will be a waiting list... Which will make life better for you personally? And everything is heading towards mass closures... or rather, it's already heading, but not very actively yet.
            1. -1
              26 October 2025 12: 18
              the remaining part will raise prices by 2-3 times due to the lack of competitors and the presence of demand

              And for that, we have the FAS, the Federal Antimonopoly Service. At least, that's the official version. Maybe we should force it to work, too?
              1. +4
                26 October 2025 12: 23
                Quote: Not the fighter
                And for that, we have the FAS, the Federal Antimonopoly Service. At least, that's the official version.

                Well, yeah, let's say the FAS starts clamping down on small businesses (although in the same way it clamps down on medium and large businesses?)... and what will it charge them with? No one forces people to buy more expensive furniture from furniture makers? Buy it somewhere else. And even if they do manage to start, another third of the remaining ones will close, and another 5-7 million workers will be out on the streets, and there will be no work. And no taxes, which small businesses still pay. What are the benefits? A loss of 10% of GDP and 20 million unemployed?
                1. +1
                  26 October 2025 12: 29
                  Regarding monopolies. There are natural ones—the housing and utilities sector we all love—where you have one set of housing and utilities systems in your apartment, and you can't escape it. There's no way to change it.
                  Furniture makers—what's stopping you from bringing furniture in from another region? Unless you set up barriers to prevent anyone from bringing it in. Is this a cartel? Then everyone pays the fines!
                  I understand that any oversight is bad for business, but!!! The Winter Cherry plant, where 50 people died, was a medium-sized business that wasn't subject to inspections. Read the news about mass poisonings! They cut corners there too, and am I the only one who thinks these were medium-sized businesses?
                  And what kind of small business is it that the FAS is supposedly clamping down on? Are they so large that they hold a dominant position in the market?
                  1. +4
                    26 October 2025 12: 36
                    Quote: Not the fighter
                    The Winter Cherry plant, where 50 people died, was a medium-sized business that wasn't inspected. Read the news about mass poisonings! They cut corners there too, and am I the only one who thinks these are medium-sized businesses?

                    I was talking about small businesses! Medium businesses are a different story, with different staff and profits ranging from hundreds of thousands to millions of rubles. Small businesses are those who make thousands. to If someone makes 200 rubles a month in profit, that's great, but you're suggesting they be plundered. What's the point of running a small business then? The profit won't increase, and the money will leave between zero and 50 rubles in profit. This is mainly in the small service sector, not manufacturing. It seems many people don't understand that there are large, medium, small, and micro businesses, and they're all different.
                    1. -1
                      26 October 2025 12: 58
                      Well, let's assume the FAS starts to clamp down on small businesses.

                      You wrote that. What kind of small business deserves the FAS's attention? In my opinion, a small business is a hair salon, a tailor shop, a cafe, etc.
                      The VAT floor is being reduced from 60 million rubles to 10 million rubles of income. Is 10 million rubles of income considered a small business?
                      1. +3
                        26 October 2025 13: 07
                        Quote: Not the fighter
                        10 million rubles in income is a small business in your opinion?

                        Well, 10 is not exactly small, it's 800 thousand rubles a month.. but! Let's count.. Rent is 50, utilities are 5, salary if 3 people are 50 each, then with taxes it's 225 a month, payments to the accountant are 5 thousand a month, and taxes are 6% per year.. total. Taxes immediately eat up 600 thousand from 10 million, the rest we add up the monthly expenses - 285 + purchase of materials - it depends on what you do - let's say cakes - half is at least materials, i.e. from 800 per month - 400.. total 285 + 400 = 685 per month-costs And that's the minimum I was calculating. The owner's remaining profit is 115,000 a month, which is probably how he works. What if there's a loan? You understand the difference between income and profit, right? If the material costs are lower, the owner will get 300,000 (I forgot to add 13,000), or 250,000. So, what about the rich and small businesses, in your opinion, even with a turnover of 10 million? For all this hassle, in a good scenario, we'll get 150-200,000 rubles in profit? At the Walberries warehouse, they already pay up to 100,000... and then there are ads, vacations, fines, and other things that also cost money.
                      2. +9
                        26 October 2025 18: 29
                        Let's be honest: small business isn't about profit at all, it's about self-employment. Incidentally, the latter's transition period was also shortened. People are the new oil, and they'll be milked until they gain class consciousness. The only thing that "pleases" me is this: there's no more ardent supporter of socialism than a ruined bourgeois. So, comrades, our ranks are growing. The main thing is that these ranks are ours, and not some northerners. Or do you think the migrant issue is being stirred up in vain? The authorities, who consider themselves smarter than everyone else, are once again hoping to channel the popular anger in their favor by finally figuring out the population's right to their own opinion. Whether they succeed in this trick depends entirely on us.
                      3. +1
                        26 October 2025 18: 43
                        Quote: Dante
                        Let's be honest, small business is not about profit at all, it's about self-employment.

                        Well, I don't argue... Yes, it's not about millions... And not everyone, ordinary people, needs them... It's more about some semblance of a "middle class", although I am surprised when they rejoice at the "ruin of the bourgeoisie", who you can't even call capitalists, these are the same people who, through constant work and some luck, but mainly through work, managed to start earning a little more... More like "the neighbor's cow died"
                        Quote: Dante
                        People are the new oil and they will be milked until they gain class consciousness.

                        It's a controversial point. They've been milking everyone for a long time now, and most have nothing left to milk. But I don't see class consciousness in the majority. If you're specifically talking about the Bolshevik one, let's look at history, at the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, where the Bolsheviks only had 23% of the votes, and back then, there wasn't any mass class consciousness yet, it was already after the February... Well, and if we're talking about socialism in general, I've always been for that kind of class consciousness.
                        Quote: Dante
                        The main thing is that it's our ranks, not those of northerners. Or do you think the migrant issue is being stirred up for nothing?

                        I don't mind here either hi
                      4. 0
                        26 October 2025 19: 16
                        It's more like "the neighbor's cow died"

                        Just please don’t turn me into a malicious envious person, rejoicing in the misfortune of other people who were once more successful than me. lol As Vladimir Semenovich sang, "It's not sweet for me either, that their dreams didn't come true." But as an apologist for socialism, I can't help but welcome the fact that all these active, and most importantly, highly motivated people have every chance of joining the ranks of my comrades, breathing life into the cause that Grandpa Zyu seemingly ruined.
                        to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, where the Bolsheviks had only 23% of the votes

                        Nothing should be surprising. I've written about this repeatedly: the overwhelming majority of the population is completely passive and will submit to any decision made by an active and proactive minority. This was the case in 1917, this was the case in 1991, and this will continue to be the case. The people, of course, are not completely disenfranchised, but in a bourgeois state, their fate is merely the legitimization of decisions already made. And even the communists failed to correct this (although, to their credit, they really tried). But this only happened because, whether Lenin's followers intended it or not, the proletariat remained a class within the capitalist formation, reproducing precisely the institutions that gave rise to it. And the fact that the place of a specific master has been taken by an impersonal state doesn't change this fact. But that's a philosophical question. The main thing, as I already said, is who will dominate the consciousness of the politically active minority; everything else is detail.
                      5. 0
                        26 October 2025 19: 27
                        So, are you for socialism or communism? Because these concepts can exist both together and separately.. And where they exist separately, there is both business and government.. There are more than one or two such countries in the world.. They, yes, do not have communism, but compared to ours, they have a very developed socialism and it works quite well.. And in almost all developed countries.. By the way, today on the site, someone wrote that even in Uzbekistan they get a pension of $300 (25 thousand rubles), and prices there are 30-50% less.. I'm not even talking about the USA, where they have significantly more social programs and measures than we have today, starting with benefits, insurance and the absence of taxes at all from a certain income level (well, except for federal ones, of course, but there are nuances there)... And many others, like Sweden, China, etc.
                      6. +3
                        26 October 2025 20: 43
                        So are you for socialism or for communism?

                        I'm afraid that most of today's leftist ideologists will call me a Troxist, although I certainly don't consider myself one. I simply proceed from the position that if a doctrine doesn't evolve, it's dead. Unfortunately, most of those who avidly quote Marx and Lenin today don't understand this. After all, the merit of their beloved Lenin lies precisely in adapting Marx's teachings to the changed realities of the early 20th century. But today's leftists, unlike me, are completely unprepared to acknowledge the fact that we face exactly the same task today as we did then.

                        Plus, I'm a practitioner and discuss any teaching from the perspective of its practical application. And I understand that it will be extremely difficult to sell people today the ideas that were popular a century ago, simply because today we all own something; we all own property, even if it was acquired with debt. And forcing people to give up this property is practically impossible. Therefore, anyone who comes out today with the thesis of taking away and dividing will be doomed to failure. Bourgeois/possessive tendencies are generally difficult to eradicate from people. Many people, even here on this site, still suffer from PTSD over the confiscation of their candle factory. I was once one of them, after all, during collectivization my family lost a dozen horses and a mill and was exiled from the Altai Territory, where the climate is more or less tolerable, to a special settlement in the Tomsk Region, where even today living conditions are not ideal. However, later, when I began to reflect a little more on my family history, I realized that I simply have no moral right to make any claims on this matter, since my ancestors not only accepted what was lost but also considered it a worthy price for the future for their children that the Soviet government promised and delivered, fulfilling its promise. Today, the stakes will be much higher than those my ancestors faced. And persuading people to exchange financial well-being for social benefits will no longer be so easy. So, whether we like it or not, the teachings of communism/socialism will have to be transformed into a packaging convenient for today's audience. This doesn't mean that the left should abandon its principles or lose its identity. Not at all. But if they want to win the battle for the hearts and minds of people, they will have to compromise.
                      7. +1
                        27 October 2025 11: 39
                        Unfortunately, you are right, now the entire left movement has divided into either the Euroleftists who are only interested in who has what gender, and those who have turned Marx's capital into a new bible and are rubbing it out to death, believing that this book will always be relevant.
                      8. 0
                        29 October 2025 19: 40
                        The renunciation of property, which is essentially personal and unnecessary. Trying to do everything as it was in the 17th century is naturally doomed to failure. But at the heart of communism is collectivism, which is inherent to our people. This, along with a desire for justice, should help solve this problem.
                      9. mz
                        +10
                        26 October 2025 14: 49
                        Quote: Not the fighter

                        Is 10 million rubles in income considered a small business?

                        Yes, and 60 million income This is a fairly small business. After all, from this income, you need to subtract the company's expenses for purchasing materials, equipment, depreciation and maintenance, rent, wages (even with five employees, that's about 4.5 million rubles per year, with a take-home salary of 50,000 rubles per month), water, electricity, and much, much more. And, ultimately, the profit could be several million rubles per year. Ten million rubles in revenue per year isn't even a small business—it's a nanobusiness. The government is essentially killing small businesses in the production sector with this decision.
                    2. -3
                      26 October 2025 20: 23
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      What many people don't understand is that there are large, medium, small, and micro businesses... and they are all different.

                      Right now, an agricultural worker, LLC, micro-enterprise according to the Register - 9 workers, 2024, 56 million - of which 24 million arrived lol he declares.
                      Tears are practically falling down my face - how bad his life is, how they torture him.
                      But I still haven't registered my land and the OKS - so as not to pay taxes...
                      1. +2
                        26 October 2025 20: 37
                        Quote: your1970
                        Right now, an agricultural worker, LLC, a micro-enterprise according to the Register - 9 workers, 2024, 56 million - of which he declares 24 million in profit.
                        Tears are practically falling down my face - how bad his life is, how they torture him...
                        But I still haven't registered my land and the OKS - so as not to pay taxes...

                        What's wrong with what I wrote here? 24 million would be considered medium or small according to the latest innovations, with a 10% limit. And for an agricultural producer—I don't believe it, I deal with them a lot—they don't have a 50% profit on anything. They only get 5-10% on grain at most, but it's a lot due to volume. Unless he's raising ostriches there, of course, it's still a lot. I've never seen more than 5-7% profit in agriculture with hundreds of millions in turnover. Besides, you can't really hide the grain, the buyers do everything officially. So, most likely, at least in terms of turnover, the information is incorrect. How can he show 24% profit with 56? The expenses there are ridiculous, only for equipment and workers... no... something is wrong with your information... okay, if only I were doing some finishing work on large projects using the customer's materials... then the turnover-profit project is suitable
                      2. -3
                        26 October 2025 23: 46
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        And as for the farmers - I don't believe it, I deal with them a lot - they don't have 50% profit on anything... they get 5-10% maximum on grain

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Most likely, at least in terms of turnover, the information is incorrect. How will it show 24% profit from 56?

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        The expenses there are wild, only for equipment and workers... no... something is wrong with your information

                        This is a real LLC, he himself shows this in the declaration, not ostriches lol - regular durum wheat, safflower, a little chickpeas. Alas, a week ago I could call it LLC, but not now.

                        You've talked to southern farmers growing regular feed grain; 20% is actually quite good. But here, we can have three years of crop failure/drought in a row, and things are really poor, and then a good year can make up for the three years of drought and the three years ahead.
                        And yes - ALL(!!!!) The peasants are crying: "There's no money, no grain, no harvest, we're dying!!!" (C) - and then - he bought his son an apartment in Moscow on Oktyabrskaya belay
                        Believing a peasant about his poverty is like believing Trump, Zelensky, and a couple dozen other European politicians that they want peace.
                      3. +1
                        26 October 2025 23: 50
                        Quote: your1970
                        This is a real LLC, he himself shows this in his declaration. It's not ostriches—it's regular durum wheat, safflower, and a little chickpeas. Unfortunately, a week ago he could have called it an LLC, but now he can't.

                        So he's weird or stupid... This profit is ridiculous for such a volume—he could have shown 20% natural... And no one is saying farmers are poor, but this is certainly not a micro or even a small business, right? And an apartment, "in the process" of being mortgaged, in Moscow five years ago, almost any hard-working farmer without loans could afford; now it's more difficult...
                        Quote: your1970
                        Believing a peasant about his poverty is like believing Trump, Zelensky, and a couple dozen other European politicians that they want peace.

                        I do not argue hi
                      4. -1
                        27 October 2025 00: 54
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        And an apartment, "in the process" of being mortgaged, in Moscow about 5 years ago - almost any hard-working farmer could afford it without loans, now it's more difficult...

                        Are you serious? A 70 million apartment on Oktyabrskaya Street in Moscow isn't available for less—any farmer? Then excuse me, but your guys are just talking trash about "5-10%."

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        This profit is stupid for such a volume - it could have shown 20% natural
                        Perhaps the Federal Tax Service took it by the shovel.

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        This is by no means a micro or even a small business.

                        He's on the micro-register and hasn't received any government support.
                      5. +1
                        29 October 2025 19: 46
                        So the peasant got it from the fan of his "own" guy, who was starving under the communists. wassat
                      6. -1
                        29 October 2025 22: 46
                        Quote: Essex62
                        So the peasant got it from the fan of his "own" guy, who was starving under the communists. wassat

                        Well, if it's a peasant fool fool
                        You won't even nationalize him - you'll just slap him down. And without any options - otherwise the population won't understand you. "And why did we overthrow the tsar - if this bloodsucker still owns the land?" (C)
                        You can remember this quote for the future - if a USSR in the second century suddenly happens, you will be asked exactly these words...
                      7. +1
                        30 October 2025 09: 04
                        I won't slap anyone. It's not my method. A state farm is the same as a cooperative; it functioned normally. Today, with a high level of agricultural technology, a peasant's labor is equal to that of a highly skilled industrial worker. Let them own the land, plow, sow, and reap the harvest. And we will support them. But that's the only reason they own it, within those limits. The population wants to eat, and whether an agricultural cooperative "owns" the land or not doesn't matter to them. The problem isn't the peasant or the baker. You know who the problem is and what it is.
                      8. -2
                        30 October 2025 10: 30
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I won't spank anyone. It's not my method.

                        Do you think the Bolsheviks were evil or crazy—when did they start shooting people? Life, circumstances forced them to do so...
                        So if you do, you won't be able to get away from it.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        The state farm is the same cooperative, it functioned normally.
                        You are confusing it with a collective farm - which formally(!!!) was a cooperative with workers contributing shares and sharing profits. State farms, on the other hand, paid a fixed salary—irrespective of the harvest; whether the state farm was good or bad made no difference—salaries were paid regularly.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Let them own the land, plow, sow, and reap the harvest. And we will support them.
                        - This farmer in question had -24 million in profit last year and 9 employees.
                        And the villagers themselves might spit in your face, "Why did we overthrow Putin if there are no jobs under him and now???!!!! If our men have to go to work like under capitalism??? What the hell do we need your fucking socialism and equality for if there are no jobs here???!!! (C) - that's being polite.
                        And then you - having wiped yourselves!!! - nationalize the land from this peasant and put 120 men to work
                        And the peasant will burn his - no, collective farm property anymore!!! - property and you will shoot him or, at best, send him to work where the men used to go on shifts - there is no one left to work there...

                        If you thought everything that happened in the USSR was just a whim of the next General Secretary, well, no. Life forced them to do what they did. That's why it will be exactly the same now as it was then.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        The problem isn't the peasant or the baker. You know who the problem is and what it is.
                        You'll have enough of Chubais and Potanin being crushed by an asphalt roller live on air for a day. And then the population will ask you, "What's your justice for us if we can't buy an iPhone because you threw currency at building housing where no one wants to live?" (c)

                        It's all happened before...
              2. +5
                26 October 2025 13: 07
                And for this we have the FAS, the Federal Antimonopoly Service.

                We also have the Migration Service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, firefighters, the Sanitary and Epidemiological Service, and so on and so forth. And the "best" part "takes." And no one knows what to do about it yet. Because capitalism, freedom, jeans, and Coca-Cola... recourse
                1. -1
                  26 October 2025 20: 30
                  Quote: Amateur
                  We also have the migration service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, fire departments, the Sanitary and Epidemiological Service, etc.

                  Yeah, you haven't heard of Federal Law 248...
                  And the fact that only the SES and fire departments conduct scheduled inspections, while the regional prosecutor's offices don't approve inspections for everyone else—you also don't know.
                  And if there is no inspection in the ERCNM, then the inspector can be politely kicked down the stairs, and in this case the inspector will also be fined. belay ...
                  You're a little behind the times.
                  1. +2
                    26 October 2025 22: 01
                    scheduled inspections only by the SES and fire departments

                    And even then, the prosecutor's office doesn't approve half of them, sometimes purely on formal grounds. And then there's a fire here, an outbreak of an infectious disease there, or the sale of methanol-laced liquor there, but all of this is due to negligent entrepreneurs, not a lack of oversight.
                  2. +2
                    27 October 2025 05: 47
                    You're a little behind the times.

                    And you live in an alternative reality.
                    The strictness of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-enforcement of their implementation.
                    (M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin)
                    1. 0
                      27 October 2025 09: 46
                      Quote: Amateur
                      You're a little behind the times.

                      And you live in an alternative reality.
                      The strictness of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-enforcement of their implementation.
                      (M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin)

                      lol lol lol
                      - I am a government inspector, so I know all this absolutely for sure.
                      It works.
                      No, if there are some suckers - ignorant of reality and falling for scammers posing as inspectors - then nothing can be done.
                      All state supervision falls under Federal Law 248 and has been operating under it for three years now—and any lateral moves are easily identified.
                      1. +2
                        27 October 2025 13: 07
                        - I am a government inspector, so I know all this absolutely for sure.
                        ...
                        easily are calculated

                        is calculated - verb, present tense, 3rd person, reflexive form of the verb
                      2. -2
                        27 October 2025 14: 42
                        Quote: Amateur
                        - I am a government inspector, so I know all this absolutely for sure.
                        ...
                        easily are calculated

                        is calculated - verb, present tense, 3rd person, reflexive form of the verb

                        So, you have nothing to say in essence?
                      3. +1
                        27 October 2025 14: 44
                        "Essentially," I wrote everything in my very first comment. Should I repeat it?
                      4. -1
                        27 October 2025 15: 47
                        Quote: Amateur
                        "Essentially," I wrote everything in my very first comment. Should I repeat it?

                        God forbid...
                        If an entrepreneur is up to his neck in violations and intentionally If he wants the inspector to milk him, he will be milked until he turns blue or until everything comes out.
                        If he doesn't want to be milked, he corrects the violation and lets go of the one who came to milk him. quietly inspector.
                        Unfortunately, there are no other options - to break everything and make sure no one comes for a slice
              3. P
                +5
                26 October 2025 17: 52
                What kind of us? The ruling class completely owns the state and all its parts. The FAS would rather disembowel citizens than touch monopolies.
            2. +5
              26 October 2025 12: 25
              So, the "leader" needs to fill a huge hole in the budget. He doesn't care about the consequences. And your vaunted business is 70-80% speculation, selling the people our own natural resources, imported goods, and food at high prices, plus the sale of services and money at high rates.
              That's why everything is so expensive for our people.
              1. -1
                26 October 2025 12: 27
                Quote: tatra
                And your vaunted business is 70-80 percent speculation, selling our own natural resources, imported goods, products to the people at high prices, plus the sale of services and money at high rates.

                Irina, are you even reading the comment? We're talking exclusively about small businesses! That's when there are fewer than 10, and often 2-3, people on staff.
                1. +4
                  26 October 2025 12: 30
                  Well, I also wrote about small business. Your vaunted business hasn't proven itself more effective in any industry than it was in the USSR. BUT, businessmen have reaped huge profits, and they're constantly asking the government for help.
                  1. 0
                    26 October 2025 12: 38
                    Quote: tatra
                    BUT, businessmen have received large and enormous profits, and they are constantly asking the State for help.

                    What kind of huge profits did the owners of the flower shop, hair salon, and bakery make? Could you tell me? And how is the trade in natural resources connected to them?
                    1. 0
                      26 October 2025 13: 10
                      Enough already, dividing up your vaunted common business. And all the money your businessmen have made is money that, under the USSR, went into the country's budget, spent on development, maintenance, and vast social benefits for the people. And you don't have the money for any of that.
                      Why do the enemies of the USSR hate their country and people so much, why are you all only for everything bad for them?
                      1. +6
                        26 October 2025 15: 35
                        Quote: tatra
                        Why do the enemies of the USSR hate their country and people so much, why are you all only for everything bad for them?

                        Firstly, almost all small businesses are not connected to the USSR or its property - in any way. What harm have people done to you who, for example, started from scratch, started a painting business?
                        2. These people give the country taxes and create jobs - are they doing bad things for you again? And how? Can you tell me? Do you have other options for these people? Should they sit and suffer for the USSR? Most of them never lived there. Your position would have been appropriate in the 90s, not 25 years later... and 35 years after the disappearance of the USSR, to which small businesses contributed nothing, since they were either not born then or were teenagers. It would be okay if we were talking about large businesses based on what was created in the USSR, but today - you sound like a person who hates everyone who has more money than you... even 10 thousand... offering nothing, but branding everyone "shame".
                      2. +2
                        26 October 2025 18: 55
                        Nikolai, you're right: the problem isn't small or even medium-sized businesses. The problem is that we've long since moved beyond the era of emerging capitalism, when the vast majority of owners were small and medium-sized businesses, and there were many of them. This led to a plurality of opinions and the political forces representing them, meaning bourgeois democratic mechanisms could, for better or worse, function. But since the Industrial Revolution, large, first national, and then national players have emerged, subsuming the entire state apparatus. Remember the saying, "What's good for Krupp is good for Germany"? That's exactly what it's all about. Today, the situation has gone even further: a number of companies have not just state-forming but planetary significance, and any competition with them is fundamentally impossible. This explains the widespread decline of democratic institutions, especially parliamentarianism, as well as the growing electoral passivity of a population that is acutely aware of its lack of rights and its inability to change the overall situation. So, I believe that the task of socialists today is not how to take away and divide, or how to deprive people of ownership of the means of production (for many, a personal computer is already a means of earning a living), but how to develop effective and, most importantly, self-reproducing mechanisms that would prevent the emergence of large monopolies and transnational companies. Roughly speaking, it is necessary to create mechanisms that would become an insurmountable barrier to the boundless appetite of entrepreneurs, without killing entrepreneurial initiative itself. This is not a trivial task, one that only a true genius can solve, but it must be solved—otherwise, I fear, humanity will not remain at the top of the evolutionary pyramid for long.
                      3. 0
                        26 October 2025 19: 06
                        Quote: Dante
                        This is not a trivial task that only a true genius can solve, but it must be solved - otherwise, I fear, humanity will not remain at the top of the evolutionary pyramid for long.

                        I completely agree, Kirill. You've summed up my thoughts on this matter in just one message. The only, but most important, question is: is it even possible? How? And especially on the scale of a single country? I'm not sure about that. Those same comrades, who are already working on a global scale, not on a country-by-country basis like 100 years ago, will be against it. But at least here, at first, like we have? All sorts of upheavals, including the Great Patriotic War—I don't think we can handle it anymore.
                      4. +4
                        26 October 2025 19: 49
                        Is it possible to do this? How?

                        My modest intellectual efforts are insufficient to answer this question. The only thing I could muster was developing a general theory of neo-feudalism, but I never finished that. So, don't expect a prescription from me. But I can offer a palliative. And a palliative not even from socialist practices, but from the very methods of bourgeois economics, albeit not without a touch of "red flair." However, since we've previously spoken of "the birthmarks of capitalism," perhaps today it wouldn't be out of place to also discuss the "genetic roots of socialism," what do you think?

                        Firstly, I believe those proposing nationalization of the banking sector aren't entirely wrong. Money is the lifeblood of the economy, and establishing a state monopoly not just on money supply issuance but also on its distribution would make the economic system more predictable. It's fashionable here on VO to criticize Sakhibzadovna (I hope I spelled her patronymic correctly), but in reality, the Bank of Russia, as a regulator, doesn't have many opportunities to directly influence the economy. Meanwhile, private banks, instead of filling the gap between the Central Bank and the real sector, are engaged in speculative operations by re-borrowing the funds they borrow from the Central Bank. All this allows them to generate fabulous profits for top management out of thin air, without any impact on the real economy. It's time to stop this. Every ruble on the stock exchange should be backed by an equal ruble in the real sector. Japan once followed this path, and despite its enormous national debt, which stems largely from the fact that the Land of the Rising Sun continues to remain under the powerful tutelage of the United States, its economy is still far from the worst example to follow.

                        But the banking sector alone is not enough. Therefore, the second condition is complete control over the energy sector, i.e., those very "natural monopolies" which, in my opinion, by virtue of their "naturalness," should migrate from such effective private hands to perhaps less effective, but more impartial public/state control.

                        With these two solutions, we will provide the state with the necessary tools to indirectly influence the price of a specific producer's final product without the need for state control. But all of this, of course, will only be possible after a fundamental political transformation of the Russian state, since in the current situation, the state as a superstructure performs the functions of entirely different actors, uninterested in improving the efficiency of existing assets, the well-being of the state, or the prosperity of its population.
                      5. +3
                        26 October 2025 23: 16
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        All sorts of shocks, with breastfeeding - I don't think we can handle it anymore.

                        And they'll come and won't even ask you whether you want it or not. So all these mantras about "no need for civil war" are empty demagoguery from those who will ultimately lead to war, while in the meantime they're feeding this nonsense so they can live for their own pleasure, ignoring the people and robbing them.
                      6. +2
                        26 October 2025 23: 21
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And they'll come and won't even ask you whether you want it or not. So all these mantras about "no need for civil war" are empty demagoguery from those who will ultimately lead to war, while in the meantime they're feeding this nonsense so they can live for their own pleasure, disregarding the people and robbing them.

                        Well, it will be sad then, if there is no way without a civil war... But who will participate? Right now, the youth don't need it, the working people don't need it... The only thing left are the pensioner revolutionary squads for today, or when there is nothing left to eat... But I hope it won't come to either the first or second... And that's good, because I'm sure after the Civil War, the entire country will cease to exist, and in theory, they have no interest in it either... The future will tell... But I think those who are hoping for a Civil War are stupid - how can anyone want their country to fall apart?
                      7. +2
                        26 October 2025 23: 38
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Well, it will be sad then, if there is no way without a civil war... But who will participate? Right now, the youth don't need it, the working people don't need it... The only thing left are the pensioner revolutionary squads for today, or when there is nothing left to eat... But I hope it won't come to either the first or second... And that's good, because I'm sure after the Civil War, the entire country will cease to exist, and in theory, they have no interest in it either... The future will tell... But I think those who are hoping for a Civil War are stupid - how can anyone want their country to fall apart?

                        You see, wars can't be cured with mantras, spells, or wishful thinking. And if you can't influence the historical processes that lead human society to war (and you can't, because you don't even really understand why they happen), then you'll end up with war whether you want it or not. Read the classics of Marxism; then you'll understand at least something, I hope.
                      8. +2
                        26 October 2025 23: 43
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        You see, wars cannot be cured with mantras, spells, or wishes in your head.

                        Just like with wishes, in yours they don’t start yet... there are no prerequisites yet, and whether there will be is still a question...
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And if you cannot influence in any way the historical processes that lead human society to war (and you cannot, because you do not even really understand why they happen), then in the end you will get war, regardless of whether you want it or not.

                        One option is simple: leave before it starts. GW, this isn't a war with invaders, it's a war with our own. I've read too much about the past to want to participate in it.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Read the classics of Marxism, then you will understand at least something, I hope.

                        I've read it, but I don't consider it dogma. Has the world changed in 100-150 years, or is there a modernized version someone's been updating? The preconditions haven't come together yet, and I think it will become clear in the next five, maybe three, years whether it will be or not. So far, there are only vague hints.
                      9. +2
                        26 October 2025 23: 52
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Just like with wishes, in yours they don’t start yet... there are no prerequisites yet, and whether there will be is still a question...

                        Well, I'm not into mantras. Unlike...
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        One option is simple: leave before it starts. GV, this is not a war with invaders, it is a war with our own.

                        And how will this help win the war? Not at all.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        I read it, but I don't consider it dogma.

                        I don't think so either. I just look, analyze, and ultimately see that Marxism works quite well. Unlike the nonsense of those who tried to abolish it.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        In the next 5 years, I think it will become clear whether it will happen or not.
                        I don’t know what will happen in the end, but with the current trends in power, the country is facing a catastrophe.
                      10. +2
                        26 October 2025 23: 57
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And how will this help win the war? Not at all.

                        No, but the family will survive, yes..
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        I don't think so either. I just look, analyze, and ultimately see that Marxism works quite well.

                        This is a working theory, but not a dogma. He never brought anyone to communism except the USSR... isn't that right?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        I don’t know what will happen in the end, but with the current trends in power, the country is facing a catastrophe.

                        I won't argue, it's very likely hi But there's an option: a "new" one comes along on time, like in 2000, active and all that, and slowly sorts out all the problems, everyone's happy—everything goes back to normal, everyone's forgiven. You know, there's the principle of "controlled poverty," it's not Marxism, but it's still a working principle.
                      11. +2
                        27 October 2025 00: 07
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        This is a working theory, but not a dogma. He never brought anyone to communism except the USSR... isn't that right?

                        Well, these aren't the laws of physics. It doesn't work that way. That's what Marxists always said.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        But there is an option: a "new" one comes along on time, like in 2000, active and all that, he slowly sorts out all the problems, everyone is happy - everything goes into a second circle, everyone is forgiven...

                        I like science fiction too, but...
                      12. osp
                        +4
                        27 October 2025 04: 37
                        Small businesses are under attack. They claim they receive too much from the state and produce worse work than in the USSR.
                        But please give me an example.
                        During the Soviet era (even back in the early 90s), it was possible to obtain a summer cottage or a plot of land for building a house for free and for a short time.
                        But building it is incredibly difficult!
                        Because there were no construction stores - bricks, cement, rolled metal and even lumber could only be ordered from factories.
                        Or "to get"—that is, to steal. From a construction site by agreement.
                        Otherwise, there was no official way to buy it! There was simply nowhere to buy it.
                        It was not by chance that dacha and garage cooperatives from enterprises emerged during the Soviet years – this was the only way to obtain building materials from the enterprise.
                        And that's only if he was free.
                        There was a similar system in the villages - everything was distributed through state and collective farms.
                        And again, if there is free space.
                      13. 0
                        27 October 2025 14: 45
                        Quote: Dante
                        Roughly speaking, we need to create mechanisms that would act as an insurmountable barrier to the boundless appetite of entrepreneurs, without killing entrepreneurial initiative itself. This is not a trivial task, one that only a true genius can solve, but it must be solved—otherwise, I fear, humanity will not remain at the top of the evolutionary pyramid for long.

                        Well, in my opinion, the Chinese comrades have succeeded. That's why they're already the world's leading economy and have overcome the poverty of a billion people.
                      14. +1
                        30 October 2025 09: 40
                        "Small business" flourished quite well in the USSR. Both under Stalin and later, when Nikita, the perestroika supporter, was kicked out. There was only one condition for an organizer: he had to work with everyone else, not just sit on the beach and warm his belly.
                        Tatyana is sorting through things. This approach worked during the demolition. "To the ground, and then..." is no longer relevant. The main principle is: he who doesn't work, doesn't eat.
                      15. +1
                        30 October 2025 09: 41
                        Quote: Essex62
                        "Small business" flourished quite well in the USSR. Both under Stalin and later, when Nikita, the perestroika supporter, was kicked out. There was only one condition for an organizer: he had to work with everyone else, not just sit on the beach and warm his belly.
                        Tatyana is sorting through things. This approach worked during the demolition. "To the ground, and then..." is no longer relevant. The main principle is: he who doesn't work, doesn't eat.

                        I completely agree, Alexander! hi
          2. +3
            27 October 2025 14: 15
            Quote: Not the fighter
            Long live the oligarchy!!!

            A perfect position for a hovel-dweller. Sure, it takes 5% of the population to maintain the pipeline. So they work for an oligarch, who naturally wants to see his pipeline in good order and operating at its full potential. Of course, he'll pay his hardworking and capable gnomes accordingly. And he couldn't care less what the other 95% of the population does. So the remaining 95% survive as best they can, going six months without pay and barely making ends meet. And then, like in that joke, they wonder, "What's wrong with us?" negative
            1. 0
              28 October 2025 23: 05
              Excuse me, but what's the conclusion? Away with everything? Or maybe we should clamp down on our businessmen so they enforce our own laws?
              1. +1
                29 October 2025 09: 17
                Quote: Not the fighter
                Excuse me, but what is the conclusion?

                Well, clearly not like this:
                Quote: Not the fighter
                Long live the oligarchy!!!
      2. +5
        26 October 2025 10: 04
        "I wonder what the cost price is per square meter, and how much they buy it for?"
        I don't know how it is now, but about a year ago, a friend of mine in the construction business was dividing up the money into a glass: we were building a nine-story building with three entrances, the first floor for shops. All the other floors were pure profit, meaning all the costs were recouped on the first floor. It's unlikely that much has changed now.
        1. +3
          26 October 2025 10: 12
          "about 1 year ago"
          Typo-10 of course laughing
        2. -3
          26 October 2025 20: 39
          Quote: ZloyKot
          We're building a nine-story building with three entrances. The first floor is for shops. All the other floors are pure profit, meaning all costs on the first floor were recouped. It's unlikely that much has changed now.

          He lied to you badly - or rather, lied - the cost of the store even in Moscow is small area - no more than 50 million, which brings total revenue to a whopping 300 million. Apartments are 10 and up. So, stores will cover a maximum of 30 apartments in just the third entrance of a 9-story building—less than half the building's apartments.
          So it's pure bullshit, belay lol
    3. +9
      26 October 2025 10: 42
      There was no bread, and the country was forced to buy grain abroad. For several years now, we've been told that Russia has achieved food independence in key areas.
      They achieved nothing... they simply started sowing wheat, rapeseed, and sunflowers in fields instead of potatoes and cabbage! That's where the grain records come from! Yes and the rest is brought from abroad, like potatoes from Israel.
      1. +5
        26 October 2025 11: 10
        Capitalists always produce only what's profitable for them. Thus, it was profitable to export wheat because its price was high, but rye production fell tenfold compared to the RSFSR because it was unprofitable for them to produce it, and the price of rye bread for the people became high.
  10. -18
    26 October 2025 06: 45
    Our people are all professionals in football, politics and economics, and throw tarki at the temer, just remember that there is a war going on and it requires colossal amounts of money.
    1. +12
      26 October 2025 08: 36
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Just remember that there is a war going on and it requires colossal amounts of money.

      I'll justify my downside to you - when there's a war, it shouldn't be anyone's mother... And its burden shouldn't be shifted solely onto ordinary citizens, turning a blind eye to swindlers and thieves...
      1. -7
        26 October 2025 09: 28
        Judging by the news, it seems like fraudsters and thieves are ending up behind bars. The measures taken are causing outrage not only among citizens but also among businesses, large and small (there's so much outcry over the reduction or changes in various subsidies or the key interest rate). If you want to profit from this, buy shares in large Russian companies; once this mess is over, their prices will rise significantly. That is, if you believe in the Russian economy and plan to continue living here.
      2. +5
        26 October 2025 09: 37
        Dear Yuri Vasilievich,
        an approach
        When there is a war, she should not be someone's own mother...

        In the history of mankind there was only one period from 1917 to 1991, and even then there were quite a few marauders and bureaucrats who feasted during wars, etc.
        And in all other periods - only like this.
      3. 0
        26 October 2025 10: 43
        And the war itself simply shouldn't happen. To sit and watch as the enemy, who has been dreaming of robbing you for centuries and doing nothing, creeps into your land (the outskirts), and then stops when the Donetsk people have done it themselves, feels like treason.
    2. +9
      26 October 2025 09: 39
      Just remember that there is a war going on.
      And this war against its own people began in 1991, not yesterday. And what's going on isn't even a war, but a war of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and we'll achieve victory tomorrow, not today. Don't you read Staver? And the others? Don't you watch TV? Russia is on the brink of a great victory, and the entire world, including the United States, will be at its feet. laughing
      1. -9
        26 October 2025 12: 46
        Just don't engage in demagoguery, even with a twist of supposed humor.
        1. +7
          26 October 2025 14: 07
          Where did you see demagoguery? Where is demagoguery in my words? Demagoguery in the articles of the aforementioned authors and in the posts of commentators like you.
    3. -6
      26 October 2025 10: 04
      Everyone wants the army to go all the way to the English Channel, but they start howling when it comes time to pay for the SVO.
      1. +3
        26 October 2025 10: 46
        This isn't the first time they've paid like this...that's why they're howling! This is the first time they've stolen everything! Prigozhin's infamous..."Where are the shells?"...same thing. wink
    4. +3
      26 October 2025 13: 11
      There is a war going on and it requires colossal amounts of money.

      The number of dollar billionaires in Russia increased by 21 in 2024, reaching 146. This is an all-time high. Previously, in 2023, the list included 125 people, while in 2024, the number increased to 146, an increase of 21.
      (https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=на+чистко+мильардэр+уволичилоч+число+в+рф+в+2024+году&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

      They probably scraped together the money by the sweat of their brow.
  11. +15
    26 October 2025 06: 47
    What's happening to the Russian economy?

    What do you mean? You don't know? She was overheated. They carefully cooled her down!

    We achieved what we wanted. A GDP growth rate of almost 5% seemed high and tempting. And then, together with Nabiullina and other government experts, we cooled the economy almost to stagnation. Now that's good! Cool.
  12. +13
    26 October 2025 06: 52
    Agricultural holdings are already rubbing their paws together, eager to buy up bankrupt small businesses. But there's nothing funny about it. Take, for example, the service sector, a legal entity on the simplified tax system with a turnover of over 10 million but under 60 million, a chain of hairdressers or repair shops. The main cost of their services is their labor. And then, bam, their cost increases by 22%. But that's not all; they're also being removed from the simplified tax system, which means the increase isn't 22%, it's more. I don't understand what the government is trying to achieve with this: destroy the stability of small and medium-sized businesses, ruin them, or force them into shady schemes?
  13. +15
    26 October 2025 07: 12
    When a small group privatized the income, leaving the STATE and the rest of the population to bear the costs. Much can be said, but little can be changed. We are falling.
  14. +4
    26 October 2025 07: 17
    Well, the article is a bit late – they lowered the key to 16,5%. VAT is essentially an additional income tax. They charge tax on the total price of the goods, and separately on the costs they've already included in the price. There should be only one tax for businesses – income tax. For individuals, it's income tax. The rest is complete confusion. The only difference should be the tax percentage. When taxes are adequate, there's no need to introduce subsidies, benefits, and other nonsense. We want to develop car production here, but we have our own hardware, glass, rubber, and plastic, and electronics, well, not quite – so why the hell import finished equipment to Russia?! Bring electronics, and there are tons of components there – we can solder the boards ourselves, and we have our own software. Why the hell are we allowed to import everything at a hefty surcharge?! We just jacked up the prices on ALL equipment and at the same time are shutting down our own factories – WHY?! Why the hell are we hauling so many goods 100-2000 km across Russia for no particular reason?! By consolidating the volume, we're starting to increase the price of goods, driving up transportation costs. And then there's the whole fuel tax thing, along with a lack of understanding that we need to expand diesel fuel consumption (production is twice as high as demand) and methane (logistics from well to tank is simpler, and prices are more stable). Because we produce only 10% more gasoline than we consume, we're facing gasoline problems every year, with refineries going into repairs. Methane, on the other hand, eliminates several problems: no need for tanks at gas stations, and a gas pump can essentially be installed in every village where gas is already piped to residents' homes. Cashless payments are easier. Stealing money will be harder, and gas is almost impossible. We don't need LNG tankers in the same numbers as fuel tankers. So we're reducing the number of drivers, especially with ADR compliance. And that means removing unnecessary traffic from the roads. Has anyone ever wondered why, for example, sugar has been selling at the same price in large chains for three years now, while the price of sweet baked goods has increased by at least half?! And in general, take a closer look at what's being hauled to the shelves and from where – you'll be amazed. Why haul a simple loaf of bread over 50 km every day?! Why export all the grain from the villages and then bring in animal feed, sometimes from abroad?! What nonsense is this?! They opened a butter factory in our region – trucks from Stavropol Krai and even Chechnya started arriving – but there's no local processing of sunflower seeds in those regions?! And this goes on and on. Kuzbass is sitting on coal and whining about falling foreign sales – the whole east could be built up with combined heat and power plants – there you have it, electricity for the railways, and greenhouses can be built anywhere – there you have local vegetables. Logistics can't compare with customs and the cost of greenhouse production. All empires have failed because of logistics. If you can grow and produce something locally, there's no need to import it from elsewhere. Balance is key.
    1. +5
      26 October 2025 08: 40
      What's more, in one region, the potatoes they grow are sold to Kazakhstan and other regions, while imported potatoes are sold at home. Prices, naturally, are rising. It's good for the resellers, but what about the buyers?
    2. +5
      26 October 2025 09: 11
      "Why the hell do we carry so many goods 100-2000 km across Russia just like that?!"
      in order to provide work for carriers and create jobs for all kinds of reloaders from trucks to wagons, and vice versa
    3. +1
      26 October 2025 09: 19
      "They opened a butter factory in our area—trucks from Stavropol Krai and even from Chechnya started arriving—but there's no processing of sunflower seeds in those regions?!"
      There are some, but very few, just a few for myself and the foreman. A lot of sunflower seeds are grown in the Stavropol, Krasnodar, and Rostov regions, which, when ripe, are shipped as seeds through Novorossiysk and Taganrog to Turkey, and then everywhere else. What kind of oil are we talking about?
      1. -6
        26 October 2025 12: 49
        The seeds are used to make oil, which is then shipped to Turkey and Egypt. There's sufficient capacity in the Rostov and Krasnodar regions. We grow so much sunflower in our country that we're completely self-sufficient in oil, and we still have a very large supply for export.
      2. 0
        28 October 2025 21: 30
        I'm a little confused here. Trucks from Stavropol and Chechnya are loaded at our elevator. They've started planting some new crop. I haven't been to the oil mill in the district center for a long time. Grain trucks have become a common sight on the roads here – I see license plates from Stavropol, Belgorod, Krasnodar. Gas and fuel trucks have license plates from Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan. And the car transporters are just hilarious – I understand new trucks, they used to tow decent ones, but no, now they're towing rotten ones without sills. And they're towing both abroad and here. Kazakhs in Gazelles with trailers, three cars at a time. What's the big deal?! I once came across three used Kamaz chassis loaded into a semitrailer at the border in Kazakhstan. I'm just freaking out... I also found some tea in a store on the highway called "Krymsky Most"... fashionably labeled "halal." The special thing is the description is in Russian and the local language. And the manufacturer is listed as just some kind of limited liability company, with a barcode and everything, but there's no exact production address or legal address. If I'd taken a photo with a regular camera, I would have posted it here. But my smartphone doesn't want to share, or I don't know how to transfer photos to my laptop. It's turning into a detective story. The question is, where should I forward the information? To Rospotrebsoyuz or straight to the FSB?! The prosecutor's office once ran my phone number through a complaint about uncleared roads in a village. I checked their numbers, and they said they weren't from the Oren region... Less than half an hour after I sent them an email, they started calling me and then just kept silent. But the road was finally cleared by the locals after 3 days, and on the 5th day a guy from the district administration came to check... Idiocy - without a kick from the prosecutor's office or from Moscow in general, no one cares.
    4. 0
      26 October 2025 20: 47
      Trucks from Chechnya won't necessarily haul oil to Chechnya! They collect cargo along the way so they don't have to travel empty.
  15. +14
    26 October 2025 07: 21
    I was wondering how rich countries live, countries without oil. It turns out they tax the rich. This is prohibited in Russia. Moreover, all actions of the Duma and the government are dedicated to serving the rich, even to the destruction of the country. They impose higher taxes and fines on the poor, but leave the rich alone. Why did everyone laugh at Obama? It's not funny. There are plenty of people in Russia who are tearing the economy to shreds even without Obama.
    Does anyone know that a policy of destroying small businesses has been adopted? Fat cats need mice.
    As for the supposed current situation, that's a valid excuse for a long time. It's just that the latest sanctions are starting to tip the scales in favor of ending them...
    1. -7
      26 October 2025 09: 17
      The attempt by the Labour Party (in fact, the "caviar communists") to raise taxes on the rich led to the rich starting to pay taxes in Switzerland and Italy, having moved there.
      It's harder for wealthy Russians to leave now, but Dubai is still open.
      1. +2
        26 October 2025 10: 09
        That's true. It's just that lately they've been clamping down more and more on those who already have no money. However, as experience shows, it's not only the oligarchs who can leave.
      2. 0
        26 October 2025 10: 53
        They don't need to raise taxes, but rather the logging quota. That's the only way they can go.
  16. +7
    26 October 2025 08: 14
    ...What is happening in the Russian Federation's economy is a reflection of the complex geopolitical, or more precisely, foreign policy, situation in which Russia finds itself...

    In my opinion, everything is going according to plan, according to the Gaidar-Chubais plan. The nails have been hammered into the coffin of the socialist system, now the capitalist one is next, and so on until complete atomization, according to the precepts of the "great reformers."
    "Pun": A steep dive.
    1. +2
      26 October 2025 08: 41
      A tailspin, not a dive. You can at least pull out of a dive, but out of a tailspin...
      1. +1
        26 October 2025 09: 31
        Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
        and from a corkscrew...

        Atomization flows out of the corkscrew wink
        After 40 years of "effective management," no self-sufficient Soviet foundation will survive.
        What can I say, hold on tight... wink
  17. +1
    26 October 2025 08: 19
    It would be nice, since they're raising VAT, to also tighten the screws on the banks so much that kefir starts pouring out of their asses, because they have a lot of money during the war. That would be fair, but these incompetent people are incapable of fairness.
  18. -1
    26 October 2025 08: 26
    The Atomic Cherry ad is creeping up every two articles and into the third one. I wonder what the price tag is?
  19. -3
    26 October 2025 08: 31
    What's happening to the Russian economy?


    there is a war going on
    If you look at history, there have never been prosperous countries waging a long-term war.
    because one way or another, huge resources are wasted (burned) without any benefit
    accordingly, they need to be taken from somewhere
    Russia is waging war with its own money (Ukraine has it easier in this regard, they are supplied with a lot), which means the population will have to pay for it in one form or another (taxes, prices)
    1. -3
      26 October 2025 10: 57
      Aren't fat cats considered part of the population? And this isn't Ukraine, but a temporarily occupied territory. Recognizing secession as legitimate is a political dead end. Liberation wars become aggression against a "sovereign state."
      1. +1
        26 October 2025 14: 30
        And fat cats are not considered part of the population?

        It's hard for them too, they might be taking away their last yachts ))))

        That's not the point, it's just that, based on my observations, the population (in particular those around me) want to win at light, so that they win and their own well-being doesn't deteriorate.
        This doesn't happen, we will all have to pay for the war, the entire population, and history confirms this.
        1. +3
          26 October 2025 14: 33
          As always, the worker has to pay. Whether he's in the trenches or mobilized, he'll be skinned in taxes, levies, and fines. In a feudal-bourgeois society, it's no different.
    2. +1
      26 October 2025 21: 32
      Russia is waging war with its own money (Ukraine has it easier in this regard, they are supplied with a lot)

      - Yeah, even Russia, a generous soul, donated interest from 300 billion dollars frozen in the West to the war against them.
      1. +2
        26 October 2025 21: 46
        Quote: John_Doe
        Russia is a generous soul; it donated interest from 300 billion dollars frozen in the West to the war against it.

        Not Russia, but someone about whom I cannot speak without breaking the rules about swearing.
        1. +4
          26 October 2025 21: 52
          Russia is different, each class, each social group in an antagonistic society has its own.
          It is THAT bourgeois, oligarchic, anti-people Russia in which we live that has sacrificed.))
          1. +2
            26 October 2025 21: 55
            Quote: John_Doe
            bourgeois, oligarchic, anti-people Russia

            Can this even be called Russia? For me, the answer is obvious.
            1. +2
              26 October 2025 22: 06
              Of course it is possible, since all the formal characteristics are present: territory, statehood, ethno-social community, language.
              The "Whites" and "Reds" also had a Russia, but "White" and "Red," respectively. For antagonistic societies, the existence of multiple "Russias" is not only normal, but inevitable.
              1. 0
                27 October 2025 00: 49
                Quote: John_Doe
                The "whites" and the "reds" also had Russia

                Well, the "whites" were also different. During WWII, despite all their hatred for the new leadership, they decided to support the USSR or at least remain neutral, while some sided with Hitler and these cannot be called Russia.
      2. 0
        27 October 2025 08: 58
        You misunderstand, I'm talking more about resources, metals, oil, agriculture
        Russia is a self-sufficient state
  20. +5
    26 October 2025 09: 00
    The Russian economy is crumbling under "effective managers." With such a CMP, there can be no other way.
  21. 0
    26 October 2025 09: 20
    The results of privatization need to be reviewed, and the central bank and major industrial enterprises need to be nationalized. The state could also issue promissory notes at favorable interest rates to secure cheap loans on domestic markets and encourage businesses to use these promissory notes for settlements. This would amount to a debt war, but it's better than fleecing the population through higher taxes.
    1. +11
      26 October 2025 10: 21
      The results of privatization need to be reviewed

      laughing The president told you in Russian and repeatedly that there will be no revision of privatization. laughing There has never been a case where a thief, with tears, oh, forgive me, I got carried away, gave back what he stole. laughing
      1. +1
        26 October 2025 10: 27
        And sometimes there's simply no choice. Life sometimes dictates its own rules. And a man of his word will give it today and take it back tomorrow. laughing
        1. +3
          26 October 2025 10: 31
          Well, the master of his word will give it today and take it back tomorrow

          That's unlikely. A word can only be taken away, but no one can. And why? "We've never lived as well as we do now." (c) laughing
    2. +3
      26 October 2025 12: 51
      Yes, the state has already seized many large enterprises under the auspices of Rostec. The question is, what do we mean by a large enterprise?
    3. +7
      26 October 2025 12: 54
      nationalize the central bank and large industrial enterprises

      Don't confuse people. The Central Bank is a fully state-owned enterprise. The head of the Central Bank is appointed according to a very simple procedure. The President nominates a candidate to the State Duma, and the State Duma approves or rejects them. It's worth noting that the ruling United Russia party (325 out of 450 seats) has never rejected a proposed candidate. Now about the large enterprises. Almost all of them (Gazprom, Novatek, Rosneft, Rostec, etc.) are controlled and managed by the state, which holds more than 50% of the shares.
      The question is different: in whose interests do these supposedly state-owned enterprises conduct their economic activities?
      1. -1
        26 October 2025 18: 38
        If these enterprises don't operate in the interests of the state, then they are state-owned only in name. The ruble is still pegged to the dollar, not gold. This means the Central Bank isn't truly state-owned either. It doesn't matter who's in charge, but whose interests it serves.
        1. 0
          26 October 2025 18: 49
          It doesn’t matter who is in charge, but whose interests he works for.

          I agree.
          In general, state power always expresses the will and interests of the ruling class. In the USSR, the ruling class was the working class; in today's Russia, it's big business.
          1. 0
            26 October 2025 18: 53
            Here we are already delving into the philosophical question: is the state “I” or is the state “we”.
            1. +3
              26 October 2025 19: 00
              This is Marxism, which explains the laws by which society exists. But don't treat it as dogma. Marxism is a tool for knowledge. Lenin and Stalin wielded this tool superbly.
              1. -1
                26 October 2025 19: 38
                A product of human creation, it is always relative and limited, including Marxism. I've always considered it a utopia, and the collapse of its ideas around the world has demonstrated this. China, for example, is considered communist only in name.
  22. +2
    26 October 2025 09: 20
    Only nationalization will save Russia, meaning the state-forming enterprises and the banking system! And everything can be managed, only the "effective managers"—their sons, relatives, and cronies—should be fired! P.S.: By the way, the article completely ignores hidden taxes (for example, the price of gasoline for an individual includes a ton of taxes besides VAT...). My economist and I calculated it and found that a Russian pays 76-78% of their salary in taxes.
    1. +1
      26 October 2025 23: 43
      Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
      Only nationalization will save Russia, I mean the state-forming enterprises and the banking system!

      So what next? Nationalization alone won't solve anything.
  23. +1
    26 October 2025 09: 24
    Interesting table, especially the overall average labor cost column. I wonder if the author is aware that profit is only about 10% of sales, and that payroll depends on labor productivity, but even in manufacturing, it's 40% of sales or less, and only VAT is entirely borne by sales? How did he calculate the average like that?
    But, overall, he's right. Nabiullina has destroyed our economy with her idiotic policies.
    1. +8
      26 October 2025 10: 17
      Nabiullina has destroyed our economy with her stupid policies.

      So, is Nabiullina a plant? Were her specifically sent to Russia by her enemies to pursue such policies? And the government and the president are still completely oblivious? laughing
      1. 0
        26 October 2025 10: 41
        What enemies? And why should they send someone, which implies coming from far away? Now, of course, everyone is the master of their own head and thoughts, but personally I prefer the classics. For example, V. I. Lenin. Or Stalin. What do they say about enemies? For example, Lenin https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9E_%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD)
        1. +1
          26 October 2025 10: 44
          What enemies?

          There's actually a smiley at the end of the post indicating sarcasm.
          1. +2
            27 October 2025 14: 33
            Yes, I get it, but I thought it would be beneficial for people to read Ilyich or Vissarionovich once again. Of course, it was easier for people to understand who the enemy was before. They weren't constantly dangling a sweet carrot in front of their noses from the idiot box and from every iron, spreading the "American dream" across almost the entire world.
      2. +1
        26 October 2025 14: 17
        So Nabiullina is a plant?
        Is this a secret to you? Actually, no one's hiding the fact that she's a creature of the IMF, i.e., the US. But removing her would mean withdrawing from the agreement with the IMF and the entire Bilderberg Group, i.e., from the agreement to participate in the global economic system (such were the conditions they foisted on us under Yeltsin). I believe the government and the president are not currently prepared for the consequences of such a step.
        And the fact that Nabiullina is pursuing a hostile policy not of her own free will, but on orders, I think is clear as day.
        1. +1
          26 October 2025 16: 04
          And the fact that Nabiullina is pursuing a hostile policy not of her own free will, but by order, I think is clear as day.

          What a great tragedy for a little man! "It's not my fault! He came himself!" (c) wink
  24. +3
    26 October 2025 09: 24
    In other words, "We have never lived as well as we do now." (c) laughing
  25. 0
    26 October 2025 09: 29
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Our people are all professionals in football, politics and economics, and throw tarki at the temer, just remember that there is a war going on and it requires colossal amounts of money.

    ...we will never know how many Russians became billionaires from this war.
  26. +1
    26 October 2025 09: 34
    In fact, the economy is being managed in so-called manual mode. Even the government is saying that the existing pro-Western economic model has outlived its usefulness. Without replacing it, Russia faces collapse.
  27. -1
    26 October 2025 09: 57
    Victory is a TERM, an empirical concept understood by the vast majority of people. It's necessary to develop strategic algorithms that allow for advantages in any development. Therefore, the likelihood of such advantages diminishes as the duration of such complex processes increases. But Russia clearly doesn't always realize that it requires global destabilization, which would allow it to possess at least resource assets for which demand will grow, allowing it to cover expenses. Meanwhile, its main opponent clearly understands this, which means it controls the processes that regulate events.
  28. -2
    26 October 2025 09: 59
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    It would be very useful for the state to nationalize both the banking sector and the Central Bank.

    Well, there were only three banks in the USSR. And they survived.

    Banks are the main robbers!

    The Central Bank is entirely and exclusively state-owned. It is fundamentally impossible to nationalize it; from its inception, it has belonged solely to the Russian Federation, and is not even a property, but a state institution.
  29. +3
    26 October 2025 10: 29
    "But today, not everyone can watch tomorrow. Or rather, not only everyone can watch. Few can do it." (c) A deep depression fills my soul looking at all this.
  30. BAI
    +3
    26 October 2025 11: 12
    Benefits will be retained only for priority sectors (processing, transport, electronics).

    Have the benefits for oysters been removed, or are they still considered baby food?
  31. +9
    26 October 2025 11: 17
    Since 2014, the multi-move plotter has been presenting us with cartoons about how non-brothers will be freezing there with icicles on their noses... but what's the reality? You can look at utility bills for 2013 and 2025...
  32. +8
    26 October 2025 11: 34
    Our government is truly strange. Instead of increasing the herd size, from which they could make a profit, they're planning to slaughter the last of the livestock.
    Instead of returning the Cenirobank rate to the level of the mid-2000s, they're planning to raise VAT and impose even higher taxes on small and medium-sized businesses. This will lead to nothing but bankruptcy or a relegation to the gray zone.
    The gist of my city. The central street. Almost all the ground floors, since the early 90s, have been converted from residential development. And it became commercial. And all this time there were shops there. And you can't just get in there. If you want to open something of your own. It's passed down through generations. And now...
    Almost half are closed. And there's a sign up: For Rent.
    No one wants or can work. Only the large, national chains will remain. They have their own lawyers. They'll talk their way out of it.
    This is the prospect that awaits us. I think so.
  33. +2
    26 October 2025 11: 35
    What is happening in the Russian Federation's economy is a reflection of the complex geopolitical... situation.

    The geopolitical situation does indeed influence the Russian economy, but it is the liberals entrenched in the government and the Duma who have the greatest influence on it.
    1. The liberal claim, widely circulated, that the VAT increase won't affect inflation is a lie, a blatant lie. It will, and it will have a profound impact. Everyone in Russia will immediately see this increase in their rent and utility bills next year. And the caveat that VAT will remain at 10% on some goods is a lie designed to lull people into a false sense of security.
    2. It's easier for liberals to raise VAT than taxes on high and ultra-high incomes. One of the richest people earns 2 million rubles a month. With a 35% tax rate, the budget would receive this—do the math, it's easy. But what if we do it like in Europe, with 50% for ultra-high incomes!? And how many people in Russia earn 1 million rubles or more? No, it's easier to pick people's pockets and make them poor than to tax high and ultra-high incomes. So much for caring about the people.
  34. +5
    26 October 2025 11: 36
    It's all because the economy is tied to raw materials, not manufactured goods. The flow of raw materials is cut off, and we're dying, devouring ourselves. We went into war without thinking, and now the common people are paying for it. But how long will the people last? They've already started charging for parking in residential areas; it'll be in effect here on January 1st. Get ready, it'll soon be the same in every city. What's next? Air in cylinders?
    1. -4
      26 October 2025 12: 54
      Parking is paid, so does that mean poor people in residential areas have a lot of cars?
      1. +3
        26 October 2025 14: 53
        Apparently, those at the top think that if you have a car, you have the money to pay for everything! People are shocked, but what can you do?
        1. +3
          26 October 2025 15: 38
          Quote: Vadim S
          Apparently, those at the top think that if you have a car, you have the money to pay for everything! People are shocked, but what can you do?

          yeah, it's like a friend of mine in the past used to say - if you smoke, it means you have money.
          1. +3
            26 October 2025 16: 20
            There's just a little left... are you still alive? That means you have money.
  35. +6
    26 October 2025 11: 38
    The government's inefficiency is obvious. First, they raised the VAT from 18 to 20. Now it's 22. The corporate income tax from 20 to 25. They introduced a progressive personal income tax. They taxed deposits. They raised the retirement age by five years—it was pure daylight robbery. And the rate is 16,5% with inflation at 8%. It should be 11-12% at most. They also gave away $300 billion of national reserves to their enemies. And—the icing on the cake—the country is rife with rampant corruption.
    Otherwise, it's okay, we live normally...
    1. +7
      26 October 2025 13: 15
      And - the icing on the cake - there is rampant corruption in the country.

      This is the foundation of the state system, not the icing on the cake :)
      1. +3
        26 October 2025 13: 43
        The main "work" of the enemies of the USSR is embezzlement, bribery, speculation, and construction from "shit and sticks."
    2. mz
      0
      26 October 2025 14: 59
      Quote: Glagol1

      A progressive personal income tax was introduced.

      Not for everyone. Oligarchs don't receive salaries. They earn their income from dividends. Meanwhile, the tax on dividend income hasn't been raised. It remains at 15%. And they don't pay social security either...
      1. 0
        29 October 2025 21: 04
        You're right, but not entirely. Miller and Sechin rely on salaries and bonuses, which are subject to progressive personal income tax. Their salary calculation is as follows:
        2,000,000,000 rubles per year minus 22% tax = 1,560,000,000 / 12 = 130,000,000 rubles per month in hand. Per capita.
  36. +2
    26 October 2025 11: 40
    It's in rapid decline. It's obvious to everyone except those who run it.
    1. +6
      26 October 2025 11: 54
      And those who rule don't care. They'll always have it good, they'll always get rich, live their luxurious lives, and they'll make the already poor and needy pay for everything they've done.
  37. +7
    26 October 2025 11: 58
    The government would rather fleece the population than raise taxes on wealthy citizens.
  38. +6
    26 October 2025 11: 59
    But you still won't do anything.
    Well, they will go bankrupt, become poor, and the lower classes will die.
    So at the top there are still the same irreplaceable people.

    They will bring in workers from abroad.
    They write openly about Koreans, Thais, blacks, etc.
  39. +7
    26 October 2025 12: 08
    The enemies of the USSR, with their enormous, enormous show-offs, characteristic of people of the lowest quality, are primitive, and they built a primitive economy—exporting the products of the Soviet raw materials and industrial sectors, importing food and manufactured goods, and poisoning the people with counterfeit Soviet products at high prices. And then proudly present all this as their "achievement" compared to the USSR. After all, "at least now we have everything."
  40. +1
    26 October 2025 12: 47
    If the issue of increasing tax revenue is being resolved at the expense of the population (from whom it is organizationally more difficult to extract taxes, but there is less resistance), rather than at the expense of high-income earners (from whom it is easier to keep track, but they have a powerful lobby), then this speaks not to the government's need for money, but to a desire to rock the boat.
  41. 0
    26 October 2025 13: 32
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    And the small ones are those who make up to 200 thousand a month in profit, if they have it, then it’s good.

    This isn't a business, these are some kind of self-employed people, God forgive me. And they don't have VAT and taxes are 4 percent.
  42. +4
    26 October 2025 14: 28
    "What is the reason for such steps?"
    Such moves are due to the fact that those who got involved in this "one of their own" adventure can't even think half a step ahead. They were counting on a "victorious war" for a week, but look what happened. So they took the easiest route: they once again reached into the citizens' pockets.
  43. +3
    26 October 2025 16: 04
    On October 22, the State Duma passed in the first reading a bill increasing the value-added tax (VAT) from 20 to 22% starting in 2026.
    In the first quarter of 2025, the share of companies citing reduced demand for products and services as the main constraint to their operations increased sharply, according to data from the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP) monitoring the state of the Russian economy and company activity. Higher budget revenues translate into higher revenues.
    will not bring.
    1. 0
      26 October 2025 16: 30
      Quote: TOR2
      More budget revenue means an increase
      will not bring.

      Why then... will it bring... 1. For 3-4 months, until the remaining companies either close down or go under the black flag... 2. And then there will be a minus for those that closed, but a plus for "Magnets and Walberries", which will simply raise prices and, in the end, ordinary people will pay... So it will bring... True, clearly not the one they want, since they don't count on the disappearance of small companies... But there are also utilities, etc., which they won't really refuse... They also recently wanted to rake in the self-employed, but given the speed with which they immediately switched to cash, they decided not to touch them for now... Better a bird in the hand
  44. +6
    26 October 2025 17: 31
    If I were to get to the point (it won't be short anymore), I'd like to express some of my assumptions (hypotheses), looking from the "backwoods" at the processes taking place in Russia:
    1. A systemic crisis of state governance is underway and developing. A decline in the effectiveness of the political governance system is noticeable at all levels, with all the attendant consequences. This is due to the gap between the Russian bureaucracy and the political authorities, which was clearly visible in September. Everything hinges on the goal-setting of the political authorities and the Russian bureaucracy, which is trying to cling to the helm and the trough by any means necessary, without breaking a sweat. A serious confrontation is expected, but in any case, the rigidity of the political governance system, it seems to me, will continue to decline.
    2. During the national "fight against corruption," something unexpected happened—it "came back on itself": the fight very naturally "led" to a "clan" of the new Russian "boyars"—the so-called "circle of untouchables": the "Starovoit case," the "Kolyuzhny case (Donbass)," the "Melnikov case" (DIA). The System is "in turmoil," but it will probably be impossible to "slow down"—it will cost them more....
    3. The systemic governance crisis "coincided" with a crisis in party building and its main component – ​​the party project... As paradoxical as it may sound, the most sensible and understandable party project is that of the CPRF, from which it is clear "what the CPRF is, what it stands for, and why"... With the other parties, there is complete "fog," or "nothing to talk about," or, at worst, "about themselves"... And with a possible decline in the effectiveness of the political governance system, the CPRF has a chance to strengthen its position in the Russian Duma (elections are coming soon)...
    4. The "Nationalist Project - to the Masses" failed... Society's reaction to it was sluggish and minimal, and sweeping it under the rug also failed...
    5. The local regional "boyars", surprisingly, show a certain agility, interest, pragmatism and often a minimal gap in views and concepts from the local inhabitants, which greatly "sets them off" from the "capital bureaucrats", who are often in a virtual stupor or a state of bureaucratic "weakness"
    That's how it is... Well, given this "scenario," what could happen to the Russian economy? The answer is obvious: we'll be "tightening" another hole in the belt that holds up our own pants... And, briefly: "If only VTB had existed back then!" And without further ado: let's not forget that we live in a capitalist country and now enjoy all its "benefits"...
    1. +1
      26 October 2025 19: 40
      I agree with you, dear Ivan.
      P.S. I have a good friend, a submariner, Captain 2nd Rank, a retired combat unit commander, who served in the Pacific Fleet.
      1. +1
        26 October 2025 19: 48
        Dear Arseniy Konstantinovich, thank you for your assessment of my analysis. I'll say one thing about the submariners: they recruited competent, intelligent people, and the entire submarine service is a constant source of analysis, otherwise you wouldn't survive... Something like that... Once again, thank you!!!!!!!!
  45. 0
    26 October 2025 19: 49
    Quote: Hunter 2
    It's all sad, of course. The decline in oil and gas revenues is being offset by increased burdens on the population and small businesses, instead of imposing additional taxes on those receiving EXCESS PROFITS. Statements like "you can't dip into reserves" are also disturbing... apparently, they can only be successfully transferred abroad, invested in foreign economies, and then frozen, effectively stealing them.
    And what’s most interesting is that no one is to blame, no one was fired, no one was imprisoned... It’s surreal!

    Who's going to put him in jail? He's a monument!
  46. +2
    26 October 2025 19: 59
    The next "stunning" response to the use of Western missiles on Russian territory by the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be an increase in the income tax for all Russian citizens to 15%.
  47. +3
    26 October 2025 20: 31
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    Well, I don't argue... Yes, it's not about millions... And not everyone, ordinary people, needs them... It's more about some semblance of a "middle class", although I am surprised when they rejoice at the "ruin of the bourgeoisie", who you can't even call capitalists

    Lenin called them "little proprietors." The petty-bourgeois environment is a breeding ground for nationalism and chauvinism...
    1. +2
      26 October 2025 21: 48
      The petty bourgeois environment is the breeding ground for nationalism and chauvinism...

      Not always, but often they make good leftists. Jack London himself wrote in his essay "How I Became a Socialist":
      I wouldn't be far from the truth if I said I became a socialist in much the same way the Teutonic pagans became Christians—socialism was drummed into me. At the time of my conversion, I not only didn't strive for socialism, I even resisted it. I was very young and naive, fairly ignorant, and I wholeheartedly composed hymns to a strong personality, though I had never heard of so-called "individualism."

      I recommend reading the full text, as well as the essay "What Life Means to Me." In particularly dark moments, when the information background completely oppresses my consciousness, I sometimes reread these texts and my soul becomes a little lighter.
      1. +4
        26 October 2025 22: 31
        Well, the classics have already spoken a lot about the dual nature of the “petty-bourgeois element”:
        Everyone has certainly observed how small proprietors struggle to get ahead, strive to become real masters, rise to the level of "strong" proprietors, to the level of the bourgeoisie. As long as capitalism prevails, small proprietors have no other choice: either become capitalists themselves (and this is possible, at best, for one small proprietor in a hundred), or become ruined proprietors, semi-proletarians, and then proletarians.

        V.I. Lenin, v.34
        — The only bad thing is that today's "candidates for the bourgeoisie" don't read the classics.))
  48. 0
    26 October 2025 20: 58
    "What's happening to the Russian economy?"
    What might happen to the colony's economy?
    The "Outsiders" are in power; their interests are in the West.
    The classic: killed, stole, became an official and a deputy, transferred the money abroad, and fled.
    The economy remains in Russia. If there is one.
  49. 0
    26 October 2025 21: 01
    What consequences could all this lead to?

    - These consequences are described in two words:
    — TOTAL DEGRADATION, with all the consequences...
  50. 0
    26 October 2025 21: 32
    We need to start with who pays this VAT and who doesn't. Otherwise, we'll just be faced with another round of whining aimed at an unprepared public.
    1 Self-employed people don't pay
    2 individual entrepreneurs do not pay
    It might not seem like much, but if you look at the nature of labor relations in many companies, you'll see it's a total game of stealth with the tax authorities. Many employees (supposedly employees) are listed as self-employed or sole proprietors and work for the owner, who is also a sole proprietor. If you don't like it, the door is open. And there are countless examples of this across the country.
    It could be an LLC or a CJSC, but in which some employees are also individual entrepreneurs, self-employed, or employed under a civil-law contract. This is also common throughout the country.
    What will happen after the VAT increase? Like the joke where a son asks his father if he'll drink less if vodka gets more expensive? In other words, owners' profits will remain the same, and employees will tighten their belts as usual, but the state will still be blamed.
    It would be more honest if, in addition to the VAT increase, it were also publicly available to see how much owners and managers ultimately receive. Then there would be far fewer questions for the government.
  51. +1
    26 October 2025 21: 44
    If you shake up every United Russia member, you could shake up enough money to cover two annual budgets of the country.
  52. +1
    27 October 2025 01: 23
    Wait, what about all this talk about sanctions practically helping us boost our national industry?
  53. +2
    27 October 2025 01: 24
    Economists at the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation don't know how to manage Russia's finances and economy any other way. This is our country's problem. And it didn't just start today. It's been going on for a long time. Fortunately, there are benchmarks like Germany, and when they cite the same taxes in Germany before the GDP report, it's apparently always worked. After all, we're just as powerful and smart. And take China's example in the area of ​​taxation—pooh, that's Asia, and we're Europe.
  54. 0
    30 October 2025 13: 18
    It's high time to dismiss Naebulina and Siluanov and put them on trial for the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars/euros due to their direct fault!
    + even higher bank interest rates!