Experts have named the number of Tomahawks in the US and the possible batch to be sent to Kyiv.

A former Pentagon employee named the approximate total number missiles "Tomahawk" missiles in the US inventory. This is in reference to Mark Kansian's statement.

According to him, the US currently has approximately 4150 Tomahawks. However, Kansian does not believe this is a sufficient number to transfer a significant portion of the Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine.

Former US military officer:

But I believe the US will only be able to supply Ukraine with a few units. And I attribute this to the fact that the US Army purchased 200 Tomahawks after 2022, 120 of which have already been used.

This includes strikes on Yemen.

Kansian:

The 2026 budget only provides for 57 such missiles for the US military. The US may need the Tomahawks for strikes against Venezuela, for example.

The FT cites the opinion of Stacy (Anastasia) Pettyjohn, who heads one of the departments at the Center for American Security.

According to Pettyjohn, Ukraine could receive 20-50 Tomahawks from Trump:

But this still will not make a decisive contribution to the course of the war.

It was noted that when transferring a small batch, “it is impossible to ensure that strikes deep into Russia are of a systematic nature.”

Behind all these claims that Tomahawk cruise missiles "won't change the situation on the battlefield" lies an important nuance. The West doesn't need anything radically changed on the battlefield. Against this backdrop, they will simply gradually raise Russia's "pain threshold," continuing to claim through various experts and "former employees" that "it won't make a difference, the batches are small, and anyway, it won't be possible to strike frequently and for long." Meanwhile, the use of Tomahawks against Russia will create a new precedent and allow the US to practice striking our country, analyzing both the consequences and the capabilities. Defense The Russian Armed Forces will intercept these missiles (capable of carrying a special warhead).

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[Uncle lee]

The use of Tomahawks against Russia will create a new precedent and will allow the United States to practice striking our country with an analysis of both the consequences and the capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces' air defenses.

And Putin said that he will strengthen air defense... And that's all?

[vasyliy1]

"But this still won't make a decisive contribution to the course of the war."

Don't expect to hand over only a small batch of missiles to Kuev. They'll see how we react, and if there's no proper response, they'll hand over as many as needed. Only an adequate response, instead of sniveling at the top, will stop the attacks on our country!

[barclay]

They won't hand over as much to Kyiv as they need. They will hand over enough to poison, terrorize, and inflict damage. And, of course, to understand how we will counteract this. Meanwhile, the Americans are confident that we will only respond to Ukraine.

[vasyliy1]

"They won't give Kyiv as much as it needs."

They may not hand it over, but it is obvious that the West is escalating the war, and we need to find an adequate response and finally stop acting only in response!

[barclay]

I agree. It's necessary. But something's stopping us... we always act only within the framework we've declared. We really don't want to extend the conflict beyond Ukraine.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: barclay

We really don’t want to take the conflict beyond the borders of Ukraine.

That's true. But the NSC has long outgrown itself, turning into a local, low-intensity conflict. To move beyond a police operation (which the NSC has long ceased to be), our National Security Service needs to face the truth and decide: what to do with the regime of the expired Zelensky, how to respond to his minions, and whether we should continue to "liberalize" with the Europoids and NATO before they rearm and launch another crusade against our country. I'm depressingly aware of the Foreign Ministry's silent wheezing (at the instigation of its leader, of course!) about the escalation. The US had the courage to declare a blockade of Cuba and issue an ultimatum regarding missiles. But in a similar situation (into which we were gradually dragged), we're just not getting our act together. And yet we're trying to talk to Trump as equals when we can't handle the European mongrels...
/// Nope... NO ICE!!! ///

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: barclay

We really don’t want to take the conflict beyond the borders of Ukraine.

Well then we should at least admit that the war is being waged specifically against Ukraine (!), and not scream like victims that: essentially, we are fighting against all of NATO...!!!

Quote: TermNachTER

...for the BD KR, US territory is a "passable yard"; only Washington and the military bases are covered, everything else is freely accessible.

If US analysts believed this, then the transfer of Tomahawks to the Ukrainian Armed Forces would not have happened...

[TermNachTer]

Have the "axes" already been handed over? Some experts—whose qualifications are questionable, to put it mildly—former employees who no longer know the real state of affairs. And where did this employee work? Maybe he managed a food warehouse? And now there's hysteria—the boss is lost.
I repeat: transferring BC cruise missiles to a third party opens a "Pandora's box" that, even if you really wanted to, would be impossible to close. Russia (China) is transferring BC cruise missiles to Iran. All of the US's Middle Eastern (NATO) allies are thrilled, because the "caliber" (CJ-100) is nothing like a "shahed." BC cruise missiles are appearing in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and other countries. And given that US air defenses are designed to repel ballistic missile strikes, BC cruise missiles see US territory as a "passing yard"—only Washington and its military bases are protected, everything else is freely accessible.

[invisible_man]

Some experts - whose qualifications are questionable, to put it mildly

Every time military equipment was transferred to Ukraine, there were many doubters. The experts were wrong, this, that...

[TermNachTer]

So what? A leopard rode across Red Square? A yellow-and-blue rag flutters proudly over the Kremlin? They gave away what they didn't mind throwing away. And they didn't just give it away, they paid good money. But "axes" aren't scrap metal, and the consequences can be unpredictable. In case you weren't aware, only the US and England have "axes," and I think the Japanese will get them next year.

[invisible_man]

So what?

And that's it. Western weapons have taken the lives of thousands of our soldiers and civilians. Don't you think about that?

[TermNachTer]

Well, people die in war; there's no escaping that. But do you think living space is given away for free? Read history, starting with the Sumerians.

[invisible_man]

Of course, there are casualties in war. But competent commanders always strive to minimize losses, and for us, that only happens when the enemy wipes out the entire regular army. And even then, not always.

[bayard]

Quote from invisible_man

But competent commanders always strive to minimize losses.

True commanders strive to achieve victory in the shortest possible time and with minimal costs. If the war devolves into a protracted conflict of attrition, a combat strategy is chosen in which the enemy spends more, suffers greater losses, and loses more material assets and its own territory. The enemy suffers far greater losses, its infrastructure is destroyed, and the economies of its sponsors are plunged into crisis.
How does the Tomahawk differ from the Storm Shadow or Scalp in terms of air defense?
Only because it's more visible on the radar screen. Nothing will change for our air defenses. Our aircraft will shoot down these cruise missiles because they're more visible on radar and at greater range than small composite UAVs or cruise missiles designed with stealth technology. This isn't a wunderwaffe, but a very old subsonic missile. But its transfer to the Ukrainian Armed Forces will free Russia to do a lot. A LOT. And it certainly won't be a linear response. The threats to the US and Europe will increase exponentially, and their enemies will gain the material and technical capabilities to organize some very fun carnivals. With fireworks and fun role-playing games.

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For us, it only happens when the enemy wipes out the entire regular army. And even then, not always.

Does this happen to you often?
In less than four years of the Air Defense Forces, the size of the ground army has grown approximately six- to seven-fold. Technical equipment has increased significantly, the Air Force is rapidly re-equipping, and the number and quality of both Army and Air Defense Forces is growing. The number of combat aircraft is growing rapidly, as is the quality and diversity of its air defense systems. The Air Defense Forces have become a very powerful incentive to increase the actual combat capability and striking power of the Russian Armed Forces.
In the Northern Military District, there are essentially no offensives. More precisely, not a single strategic offensive operation has been conducted since the first half of 2022. We are still in Strategic Defense and are accumulating forces. Meanwhile, at the front, the Frontier strategy is being implemented—constant and very leisurely pressure on all fronts simultaneously. In a war of attrition, such a combat strategy allows for the destruction of the maximum possible number of enemy manpower and equipment with minimal losses and costs, under continuous pressure without deep penetrations, using aviation (FAB with UMPK), methodically knocking out enemy air defenses, destroying infrastructure, energy, production bases, rear deployment locations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, their warehouses, oil depots, training centers, command posts, arsenals, and ships carrying military cargo in ports and territorial waters.
Why so leisurely?
Because the Russian Armed Forces continue to deploy, rearm, build up their capabilities, and train personnel. NATO is all we have to deal with. Once the Ukrainian Armed Forces are exhausted, the Polish Army and other cannon fodder will be used.
In nearly four years, the Russian Armed Forces have received at least ten new submarines, several types of medium-range hypersonic missile systems have entered service, and production of 4+, 4++, and 5th-generation heavy fighters is growing year after year, reaching 126 heavy fighters by the end of this year, including 36 Su-57s (at least 72-74 Su-57s will be in service by the end of December, with another 6 units exported to Algeria). In Belarus and throughout the western region, the deployment of Oreshnik heavy IRBMs, each carrying 36 nuclear warheads with a yield of 150 kilotons, has begun. The number of Zircon anti-ship missiles deployed on ships, large missile complexes, and land-based TPUs in missile formations is growing. Our combat aviation has brilliantly honed its tactics and combat skills in identifying and suppressing enemy air defenses, engaging targets at extremely long ranges, and striking ground targets with precision-guided anti-aircraft missiles. The shortcomings of Shoigi's leadership are being overcome. Why rush if we grow stronger every day, while the enemy weakens, becomes exhausted, and suffers disproportionate losses? We can fight like this for another year, two, three, building up our forces and weakening the enemy. But we remain constantly prepared for any kind of escalation. This is what minimizing losses and costs is all about.

And you, Konstantin, as I understand it, are suggesting that we surrender?
Next year (by the end) we will already have over 110 Su-57, and also a full regimental set of Su-30SM2, Su-34M, Su-35S\SM will be received. At least two new nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines and another Project 22350.1 frigate with double the number of UKSK cells will enter service, as well as the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser (the most powerful ship on the planet in terms of quantity and quality of armament), several new Tu-160M2s, 1500 to 2000 new and modernized tanks, new and modernized self-propelled guns, armored vehicles for new formations and units of the Russian Armed Forces, a certain number of regimental and brigade sets of long- and medium-range air defense missile systems, new Pantsir missiles, including the Pantsir-SM. Everything is proceeding as planned. And in the SVO zone, there are local battles.

So I don’t know where you lost your army of personnel, but our Army is only getting stronger and more numerous in personnel.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, handing over the KR BD to the public will let such a genie out of the bottle that it'll be a disaster for everyone. And there'll be no way to put it back in.

[bayard]

I think Trump understands this, but he is playing at escalation. Is he counting on challenging us?
Unlikely, if he's thinking rationally. It won't give the Ukrainian Armed Forces any advantages, but it will radically change the situation. But dangling the carrot from Zelensky, Europe, and England is a completely different matter. Whipping them into hysteria and lust, and then turning them down... That would be a very cruel bummer.
So, if we're being smart, it's "escalation for the sake of de-escalation," but he's not putting pressure on us. Putting pressure on us now is fraught with danger.
And if "suddenly" it turns out that this is a real intention... I will be very disappointed in Trump's cognitive abilities. So far, he has not disappointed me and has acted quite sensibly.

[TermNachTer]

Personally, I don't believe they'll hand over the axes. Trump needs to negotiate with Putin about some kind of relatively neutral position for Russia in the upcoming "foreign" conflict, especially since the situation there is heating up again. China is pushing hard on rare earths. It's just unnecessary trouble.
Trump doesn't need them, and Zelensky is his personal enemy. He could have won the 2020 election, but he spent four years dragged through the courts.
I also think Trump is quite smart and tough. A man who entered the New York construction business in the 80s and not only survived but thrived can't be a fool. And he must have the tenacity of a bull terrier.

[bayard]

Exactly. The game is underway, and the British were preparing a major war in the Middle East, which Trump stopped. But London won't just stop; it needs to be stopped.
As for the used ones, they're currently squelching all their energy. Harshly and very methodically. And the threat of handing them over the Tomahawks makes this more than justified. There will be very harsh peace enforcement, or the Clown will simply be ousted by an internal coup and begged for negotiations.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: TermNachTER

a yellow and blue rag flutters proudly over the Kremlin

Of course not. BUT!!! Two yellow-and-blue drones exploded on the dome of the Senate Palace, above which the Russian Presidential standard was raised. What more could it take to blow the snake pit on Bankovskaya Street in Kyiv to atoms?
But it was not to be... The eggs turned out SOFT-BOILED!
/ / / We're not like that... We're masters at persuasion. And a punch in the face is for others, or after your nose has been bloodied! / / /

[TermNachTer]

What damage did the two buzzers cause? And what would have happened if they had destroyed Bankova Street, Grushevsky Street, and the shed in Mariinsky Park?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: TermNachTER

What damage did the two buzzers cause? And what would have happened if they had destroyed Bankova Street, Grushevsky Street, and the shed in Mariinsky Park?

My supervisor said: "You need to answer questions as they come in."
1. Two drones dealt a blow to Russian air defense, and to the government as well. The damage is MORAL! Can you imagine imported drones crashing into the Capitol dome? Personally, I have a hard time imagining it! It would probably be worse than shooting Donya...
2. There's no need to trash everything you've listed. All you need to do is slam a concrete-piercing device into the bunker where the expired one is located. The coordinates are known. Even if the attempt had failed, Zelensky would have been blown out of the "heroic mist of Kyiv" like an autumn leaf from a maple tree... And he would have been sitting in the Carpathian Mountains or somewhere near Lviv... And emissaries and other reserves wouldn't have been traveling to Kyiv—the mother of Russian cities! And all the Joneses, Mertzes, and Macarons wouldn't be promoting themselves against the backdrop of St. Sophia's Cathedral...
Something like that, I think. Yep.

[TermNachTer]

1. A slap in the face of air defense - this certainly sounds loud, but the practical effect is 0.
2. I've written about this more than once. Shcherbytsky's bunker is 70 meters deep, designed for nuclear war. How are you planning to breach it? Even if you remove the greenie, who decides nothing, according to the constitution, his duties will be taken over by the Khmelnytskyi pig, who also decides nothing, and the next puppet will also not make any independent decisions.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: TermNachTER

They gave away what they didn’t mind throwing away.

that is, "they surrendered quickly near Volchansk, because it was "I don't mind throwing it away" , so that later we have to try to win it back with a lot of blood?!
maybe just forget it... get rid of this "patriotic frenzy" .. ??!

or are you sure that we need to take it to this point, -

Quote: TermNachTER

...a yellow and blue rag proudly flutters over the Kremlin?

Quote: TermNachTER

Well, people kill in war, you can't get away from it.

Well, yes (!), weapons transported through Rzeszow, Ramstein, and other NATO military bases, but they cannot feel the pain of losing THEIR people (!) until they understand how harshly this can be punished, and how irreversible it is!!
Without eradicating the cause, and only fighting its consequences, it's unlikely we'll win the war (!). Or will we?! Or should we wait until we've almost self-destructed against Ukraine and our own population, and then...?! suddenly we realize that it’s already too late and there’s no one to protect ourselves with?

[Perfilyeva Vera]

"Have the 'axes' already handed over?"

Rest assured, they will. As for handing over the calibers to third countries, that's in no way an adequate response to the axe-wielding attacks on Russia. American bases in Europe should go up in smoke in response!

[TermNachTer]

I highly doubt it. I've already explained why. American bases aren't just in Europe.

[Perfilyeva Vera]

"I highly doubt it."

It's your right to doubt, but notice the trend from first aid kits and helmets to tomahawks... Next comes a nuclear bomb. What will we do in this case? Maybe it's time for the West to show off its iron fist!

[TermNachTer]

Have the Tomahawks been handed over yet? This isn't exactly a first aid kit; it's from a long-term storage warehouse, for which someone paid a pretty penny. And yet it still had to be thrown out because the contents were about to expire.

[Right hand of the eye]

Funny... Ah, Atakams, this isn't a first aid kit from the warehouse either... And they handed it over... And nothing, it worked. And they'll hand over the tomahawks the same way.

[TermNachTer]

Do you understand the difference between ATAKAMs and "Topor"? "Topor" is a strategic weapon with a range of up to 2500 km with a special warhead. ATAKAM is a tactical weapon with a range of 300 km.

[Right hand of the eye]

It's clear without you that tomahawks are "cooler," have a longer range, and are more dangerous. But the atakams aren't even close to the first aid kits you mentioned. Their transfer was a serious escalation, and it worked out fine... So they'll transfer the tomahawks, just like everything else they've already transferred.

[TermNachTer]

And how did the ATAKAMs influence the course of the SVO? Are the Bandar-logs already in Kursk or Tula?

[Huarabey]

They just need to whip up this wave, hoping to panic the Russian population, so they're practicing their manuals. The Ukies are doing badly at the front, so they're trying to intimidate Russia. Now the West is only hoping for our forces to launch a nuclear strike on the outskirts. They have no other way to defeat Russia, by pitting ALL the countries of the world against it for this strike. They've begun to realize that even their attempts to destabilize the situation in Russia on ethnic grounds, hoping for a civil war, have also failed and there's no hope of success there either, so now they're trying to get Russians to demand that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine.

[Right hand of the eye]

Of course not... Neither Atakamsas, nor Javelins, nor Tauruses, etc., etc.—all sorts of Western supplies—had any impact whatsoever. Unless it's been four years, and it's been extremely difficult... hundreds of thousands of our lives have been lost in the meat grinder, the Russian rear, oil refineries, etc. are being torn apart at an ever-increasing rate... But otherwise—of course not, Western arms supplies have no impact whatsoever on the course of our own affairs. Where do such narrow-minded people, out of touch with reality, who don't understand or see the real threats and consequences, extremely negative for us, of any supplies, let alone such (strategic weapons) come from? It's a rhetorical question...)))

[TermNachTer]

Let's think about it a little bit. The war isn't with Banderland, but with the collective West, and in some places with the East—South Korea, Japan, Australia. And at stake isn't some lousy Banderland, but a new world order, like after Yalta in 44.

[Right hand of the eye]

Yeah, that's a tough one... What's the point of this passage, anyway? Yeah, sure, we're at war with NATO and the like. So what? How does that refute anything I wrote? Or what else were you trying to say? Just point out things we all already know, and then change the subject? Okay, you're free to go, leak counted.

[TermNachTer]

Boy, you'll be talking to kids in kindergarten in that tone - that's exactly your level.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: TermNachTER

Let's think a little bit?))) The war is not with Banderland, and with the collective West

yeah, that's how it is (!).
Why are our people dying in Ukraine, while theirs are earning money with a smile in London, Washington, Ramstein and Rzeszow?! and without any losses for yourself... That's it (!).

Quote: TermNachTER

And at stake is not some lousy Banderland, but a new world order.

along the way for the fact that at stake, the same China managed to lead "your battle", limiting the supply of rare earth elements (!). Without losing the lives of their fellow citizens, somewhere nearby... !!
Well, let's say in Taiwan...?!
They're probably lucky that they're not being led by TerminakhTer.
(Nikolai) ...

[TermNachTer]

And there were never wars there? And their people didn't die? Wars have always been and will always be. Some knew how to navigate them, some didn't.
Only God knows how China's confrontation with the West will end. And what if China has never fought a war? And suffered enormous losses? Scholars still debate how many Chinese died between 1932 and 1945, but it's clear the number is in the millions. And the Opium Wars? Whether the Chinese were lucky or unlucky is for them to judge, not us.

[ved_med12]

Nikolai, calm down... These No-ones are just provocateurs!

[ved_med12]

Q.E.D!!!

[TermNachTer]

Thank you, I'm not nervous, I'm already used to the fact that this site is very specific.

[eugen_caro]

They'll definitely hand it over - if only to test a new launch platform for them - and how will the Russians react to the launches... - Do you think your army is an enemy for the Pen-DOS? Never mind! - You're their guinea pigs first and foremost... It's no wonder that Donya Kozyr is tightening the screws little by little - he's interested in your reaction - and he seriously considers himself the ruler of the galaxy.

[barclay]

Such intentions need to be announced in advance. But then action is needed. And action is difficult for us. For now, all our actions are limited to Ukraine.

[Tusv]

Quote: Uncle Lee

And Putin said that he will strengthen air defense... And that's all?

What did you expect, namesake? Obama said he had six hundred thousand axes for a global strike against us and, basically, isolated us and tore us to shreds. But it turns out he only has 4150.
Trump stopped the armed conflict between Kampuchea and Albania.
There's a lot of politics going on here, whoever blows the most bubbles in the Puddle is the one who's in trouble.
And air defense is always

[eugen_caro]

Yeah, 20-50, and they'll deliver them someday... Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Tomahawks are already in Orkostan. The Pentagon OS have fooled us with their promises so many times that trusting them means disrespecting ourselves. It would be tempting, of course, to intercept and distribute this hardware en route, during delivery to Orkostan, but that would require precise intelligence work from your own intelligence service, and do you have any?... So, most likely, they'll have to shoot them down above you. I can only wish you success. And as for Pentagon OS operators "steering" the Tomahawks, all hardware, both the X-MARS and everything else, has long been directed and controlled by NATO. So what? Did Russia somehow scare those devils, other than "concern,"?... That's what will happen this time too...

[torbas41]

The use of Tomahawks is a double-edged sword: they're practicing delivering strikes here, and they're practicing repelling those strikes in combat conditions. It's one thing to observe the results of your "labor" from overseas, and quite another to participate in combat operations.

[Gekki66]

They'll play themselves out, those female dogs! It's in vain that they rage at the bear.

[Limrak]

For now, this is all just innuendo. Let's wait for real action.
Off topic but I can't help but post it.
Ha-ha-ha-ha! The Americans are impenetrable. This is the second time in 24 hours that they've stepped on the same rake and embarrassed themselves before the entire world. It's their Navy anniversary, and various agencies are posting congratulatory photos and posts online... and official ones at that, and this year they've broken their previous records—they've screwed up twice.
One agency posted a photo of the Varyag missile cruiser (Pacific Fleet), which was pointed out by US Navy veterans... and a second one showed Sevastopol Bay with the Smetlivy patrol ship. A few years ago, they similarly embarrassed themselves by posting the Pyotr Velikiy heavy cruiser and the Su-27.

[Lemon]

Don't judge them harshly.)) They have generals and admirals in skirts (not women).

[torbas41]

And those in skirts are not men, they are Scots.

[bayard]

Quote: Limrak

They made a fool of themselves twice.

Well, we just have beautiful ships. They searched the internet for "the most beautiful ships." and found .

[rocket757]

Okay, striped ones, what can, if not scare, but make them think, slow down in making extreme decisions... it happened, maybe it’s worth reminding them?
But it's not that hard to scare the crap out of the Europeans... a few extremely destructive strikes in the border zone, along the arms delivery routes for the Kukuyevites...
You could warn them and then send them a "gift"...
In general, everything is already bad/dangerous to the limit, this bad/dangerous thing needs to be sent back.

[bug120560]

Viktor, anything is possible, but only when the real power is nationally oriented. And in a situation where the real power is an oligarchy whose primary goal is to preserve its right to manage the raw materials appendage they've created and, in the future, secure "cushy" positions in the management of the emerging global corporation, the authorities address security issues only within the limits of personal self-preservation and the preservation of their capital/assets.

[rocket757]

There is no point in arguing about this... capitalism is evil!
Unfortunately, our people "wanted" to experience this for themselves... stupidity that has crossed over into the category of a crime against everyone, themselves, incl.

[bug120560]

Victor, I agree with you completely.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: bug120560

........ the real power is the oligarchy, whose main goal is to preserve its right to manage the raw materials appendage they created in the future...... .

Meanwhile, the desire to integrate into the West hasn't disappeared, and these issues still come up. Those greedy, war-mongering types haven't disappeared... and how many officials are being exposed literally every day for embezzlement, mostly from United Russia. It's just unclear how these revelations end.

[Reptiloid]

As for the gay Europeans, I have my doubts. It's high time they were afraid, but instead, they're egging each other on and continuing to whip up tension. There's no sign of any fear or apprehension.

[rocket757]

Instead of information, there is viscous, sticky "chewing gum"... many people don't think about it, don't want to understand where it's all going... when it gets to them, it might be TOO LATE!
But the loud-mouthed politicians, if not all, then many, understand everything perfectly well and therefore are preparing a cozy nest for themselves somewhere there, overseas!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

.... many people there don't think about it, don't want to understand where it's all heading... when it dawns on them, it might be TOO LATE! ......

Apparently, the Russian victories don't give them any peace. And also the fact that Russia is a big and great country, despite all their meanness.

[rocket757]

They were convinced that Russia is a colossus with feet of clay/a paper tiger... not for the first time, by the way.
Alas, even if we ourselves have not reached the point of repenting... at least we have found those who have allowed foreigners to think that this is how it is!
At least they are trumpeting from every iron that we are weak, that our missiles and tanks are rusty...
We will have to persuade and reason with foreigners in a HARD, RADICAL WAY!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

........ Alas, even if we ourselves have not reached the point of repenting... at least we have found those who have allowed foreigners to think that this is how it is! ......

The French, for example, never repent, but they have had all sorts of things in their history and cruel and shameful

[rocket757]

In Europe, there are very few people who have ever repented, and everyone has more than enough sins.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: rocket757

But it's not hard to scare the crap out of the gay Europeans.

Yeah. Urgently, within 24 hours, evacuate all children of diplomats and high-ranking Russian officials from there to their homeland, without explanation...!!!

[rocket757]

The topic of evacuating beloved children from dangerous zones... everything is complicated, for various reasons.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: rocket757

The topic of evacuating beloved children from dangerous zones... everything is complicated, for various reasons.

Well, as they say, - "so otozh !! "

[Silver99]

Why can't Russia ask NATO a few simple questions: Is Ukraine a NATO member? Why, then, has NATO bombarded Ukraine with weapons? Since individual NATO states have directly intervened in the conflict and are threatening to launch missiles at mainland Russia, those who are actually receiving nuclear weapons on their stupid heads should clearly state to the UN.

[Limrak]

This is fantastic because there are some people...who have a mustache in the media, even the Ukrainian leadership doesn’t want or is afraid to touch...and you’re talking about Europe and NATO...there the gods are generally untouchable.

[Silver99]

Science fiction that has become reality is when the inhabitants of a country possessing nuclear weapons die every day.

[Limrak]

Well, yes, it's a sore spot for society. I'm waiting for Putin's next speech (press conference - direct line) for at least someone to ask him this painful question that has already made the public hate him... because we're looking at your post... and for at least someone to ask him when he'll answer for his promise to punish those who masterminded the Crocus attack, when he promised to do so before the people, regardless of their positions or where they are in the world. We're still waiting. No answer.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Silver99

Why can't Russia ask NATO a few simple questions?

What's the point?

Quote from Silver99

Is Ukraine a NATO member?

They will answer NO.

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Why did NATO bombard Ukraine with weapons in that case?

They will respond on the same basis as Russia sells its weapons to other countries. They are not at war with Ukraine and consider it an independent state that can purchase weapons from anyone, so they sell them to them, with the condition that they cannot resell them to third countries without the manufacturer's knowledge, and how they use them, they say, is their business.

Quote from Silver99

Since individual NATO states have directly entered the conflict and are threatening to launch missiles at mainland Russia, it's time for those who are actually receiving nuclear weapons to make a clear statement to the UN.

There is one essential condition here: launches must be carried out from the territory of these countries.
Paradoxical as it may seem, this is precisely why they're unafraid to supply them with everything they need for a war with Russia without getting punched in the face. We shouldn't be asking questions; we should be acting like Israel, which destroys arms convoys and temporary storage bases in neighboring states (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq), given that the ultimate recipients of these weapons are the armed groups that use them against Israel. Meanwhile, no Westerners are screaming about Israel violating the sovereignty of neighboring countries, but rather, the precedent has long been set and should be followed.

[ANB]

. and if so, the precedent has long been created and it must be used.

True. That's why the Poles and the Balts are fussing ahead of time. Because they know they've screwed up.

[I dare to_notice_]

Everything and for everyone must end with the first launch in our direction.
And everyone should be CONFIDENT about this.

[Silver99]

The logic is simple: since the US has stated that it's not they who are transferring the Tomahawks, but the Europeans who are doing so and are responsible for it, then after a warning, those who transferred them should be eliminated, fair and square. This refers to the actual transfer, not the launch.

[I dare to_notice_]

What I'm talking about here is what I've already stated: in this world, arms trading is considered NORMAL.
For human trafficking... drugs... you (the state) might get a little scolding.
And for weapons - please! Trade turnover... GDP... economic growth... and all that crap.
And also... Everyone adheres to the maxim "It is not the weapon that kills, it is the person who kills."
Have you ever tried giving this man a hoe instead of a weapon?!
Okay... This is poetry.
Agreed. Anyone who gives weapons to your enemy automatically becomes your enemy.
With all the consequences ...

[Silver99]

Just a small clarification: trade, but weapons should not be used outside of the conflict!!!! This happened in Egypt, Angola, Syria, North Korea, Afghanistan.... I've already given an example: how long can a country that supplies weapons that threaten the US or Israel survive?

[smart fellow]

According to US intelligence, North Korea is selling Iran engines for hypersonic missiles that don't threaten, but strike Israel (where do the Houthis get their hypersonic missiles?). Iran also received missile technology from North Korea, such as the capsule-filling technology for liquid-propellant ballistic missiles. This is without delving into history (North Korea's military fought against the US in Vietnam, and against Israel in Egypt and Syria. Even Hezbollah bought weapons from North Korea). And the Koreans only signed a ceasefire agreement with the US, so technically they are at war. So what?

[Dilettante grandfather]

The logic is simple, since the US stated that it is not they who are handing over the Tomahawks, but the Europeans who are doing this and are responsible for it.

The launch of the Axe and its targeting cannot be accomplished without the Americans. The Europeans might buy it and hand it over, but what's the point? Only the Yankees could launch it.

[Silver99]

So I wrote back that there is NO NEED to wait for the launch... the latest military doctrine clearly states that the launch of a missile capable of carrying nuclear weapons into Russian territory is the beginning of a war and a pretext for retaliatory action, with no option for idle talk... A president who ignores this will violate his own decree and the Constitution.

[Igool]

Quote from Silver99

A President who ignores this will violate his own Decree and the Constitution.

This has never happened before, and now it's happening again? Do presidents really fail to keep their own promises? Can they really deceive their own citizens?
I'm afraid to disappoint you, but YES, they can, they cheat, they violate.
I won’t list numerous examples; you know them well enough without me.
The capitalist system does not give the lower strata of the population any preferences other than the fiction of democratic freedoms, which are just as easily violated by the ruling class itself, in order to create certain tendencies that are subsequently passed off as the wishes of the lower classes.

[bug120560]

Andrey, you're deeply mistaken in thinking that no one in Europe except the Yankees is capable of launching a Tomahawk. They're perfectly capable of launching their own cruise missiles. The only difference is in the basing principle and range. Europe has long had its own satellite constellation and GPS mapping system, so developing GPS route maps, preparing and entering flight missions is not a problem with US permission. And most likely, the Stars and Stripes, like "true gentlemen," will savor the chestnuts that someone is pulling out of the fire for them.

[Andobor]

There was a "training" Tomahawk strike in Syria, back in Trump's last term. Two destroyers launched 60 missiles at a Syrian airfield, warning the Russians. The Syrian Pantsirs destroyed as many as they could, 48 missiles, 12 by 4, and hit several with their cannons. Debris was already raining down on the target, and several reached their target.

[Oleg Telpes]

These 4000 will still be disposed of sooner or later.

[Anthony]

Some people are making noise that if the Tomahawks are handed over, we'll have to do something ourselves. But what exactly? How? I mean, really, WHAT?
Maybe we should launch a nuclear attack? Or fire an Iskander at Poland? Or what exactly? And I'll tell you - NOTHING. Unfortunately. We can't answer that.

[Ture-Dog]

There are plenty of Houthis in the world who hate the US, so sell them the rackets.😻

[Anthony]

One option. But they're unlikely to hit NATO countries.

[Ture-Dog]

The Houthis are hitting US ships, but the devil is a NATO country.

[Anthony]

They're pounding. But a warship is one thing, and an oil refinery somewhere in Bavaria or a hydroelectric power station in France is quite another.

[Machito]

Quote: Ture-Dog

There are plenty of Houthis in the world who hate the US, so sell them the rackets.😻

Better to sell it to the Sumy and Kharkiv People's Republics. And let the republics fire Oreshniki at London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, and so on.
This game must be played by two people.

[Igool]

Why, there are some good suggestions:
"We don't need to ask questions, but act like Israel, which destroys weapons convoys and temporary storage bases in neighboring states (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq), given that the ultimate recipients of these weapons are the armed groups that use them against Israel."

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Antony

Or should I hit Poland with an Iskander?

Why not? At Rzeszow airfield, for example, during the reloading of weapons for the Ukrainian Armed Forces?! For example, Israel, for example, was literally held back from striking Qatar, where Hamas representatives were expected to appear!!!
And if we are guided by the principle - what they can do is what we can't, then...

Quote: Antony

And I will answer you - NOTHING. Unfortunately. We cannot answer anything.

or don't those on top want to...?!

[Ture-Dog]

There's no need to worry about that. Just think about Tomahawks (which are nuclear weapons carriers, by the way). The president smiled and said forcefully, "We'll strengthen our air defenses."☝️

[Vitaly.17]

It's a pity that Russian experts were unable to calculate how many Onyx and Kalibrs Russia could transfer to Venezuela and Cuba.

[Anthony]

Well, they'll hand it over. And? Do you think they'll hit the States?

[Igool]

Even the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't foresee attacks on the United States from Cuba. It merely created the threat of such an action. Therefore, supplying such weapons to states bordering the United States creates the very threat of their easy use on American soil. And this will undoubtedly have certain consequences.

[greencon]

I tried to take into account recent events in order to be able to understand the situation.
- - Firstly, we are in a weak position due to many factors, mainly economic ones, and the lack of a “red line” policy.
Unlike the Storm Shadow and Taurus missiles, this time Peskov directly expressed his opinion. This could be considered an official argument in favor of the impending deterioration, both in reality and in relations with the US. Why did Peskov have to rush into such a hot spot? Does anyone know the reason? Unfortunately, Medvedev couldn't attract any help with his unused Oresnik and the red button.
- Finally, although the aforementioned Tomahawk won't give the "clown" a clear advantage at the front, it could put serious pressure on our already strained air defense system. Let's imagine that Ukrainians learned from Russia the method of delivering combined strikes using missiles, attack drones and dummies.
P/S: I must thank the author for her balanced report, without unnecessary imposed opinions.

[Ross xnumx]

This "Leopoldian" political naivety completely kills me... They have it or they don't have it, they will hand it over or they won't hand it over...
The actions of the Russian leadership suggest that they don't believe that selling weapons to terrorists is not only possible, but also unpunished...Or is that true? And if not, then countermeasures could have been developed and implemented long ago.
We don't write our messages out of rosy prospects. If everything were normal, as it should be, we might also be shouting "Hurray!" and throwing our caps in the air...

[Igool]

Quote: ROSS 42

measures of influence (countermeasures) could have been developed and applied long ago.

Yes, I completely agree with you, but in order to sell any kind of weapon, there must be people willing to buy it, and they must also know how to use it, i.e., they must be trained in this, and this is not done in field conditions, and for this, a lot of all kinds of accompanying work must be carried out.

[navigator777]

Quote: Uncle Lee

The use of Tomahawks against Russia will create a new precedent and will allow the United States to practice striking our country with an analysis of both the consequences and the capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces' air defenses.

And Putin said that he will strengthen air defense... And that's all?

This is enough, we also know how to calculate the maximum amount that can be transmitted and how much will reach the destination.

[Igool]

Quote: navigator777

That's enough,

And now, without axes in Ukraine, do we have sufficient air defense?
There is already a need to strengthen and modify it, as simple unmanned platforms fly in and explode, causing damage and casualties among civilians.
With the appearance of axes, this action will be intensified; it won't be possible to block the entire sky, but covering the Kremlin with an umbrella—yes, that's possible. In this case, reinforcement is possible and will bear fruit.

[navigator777]

In all its operations, the United States used an average of 200-370 Tomahawks, most of which reached their targets due to the enemy's lack of adequate air defense, the use of electronic warfare, and the simultaneous use of a huge number of aircraft. No one will give Ukraine that many, firstly, and secondly, it lacks launchers for mass launches, nor does it have powerful electronic warfare to suppress our air defenses. Strengthening our air defenses is sufficient to counter isolated launches.

[Karelian]

There won't be any isolated launches. The Americans are focused on results. This means there will be a lot of missiles, and in conjunction with hundreds of drones. And the launch won't necessarily be from ground-based launchers. They've probably got everything worked out. Alternatively, from civilian ships near Odessa, and not only.

[Sergey T19]

On the one hand, yes, but on the other hand, our country is large and there are many targets we can strike. Plus, the enemy will overload their air defenses first, making the Tomahawks harder to shoot down. This won't change the course of the air defense system, of course, but we'll suffer some damage. And here's the trickiest part: Tomahawks are nuclear-capable, so you'll have to sit back and wonder whether they'll fly with a nuclear payload. So-so...

[Anthony]

Quote: ROSS 42

The actions of the Russian leadership suggest that it does not believe that selling weapons to terrorists is not only possible, but also unpunished...Or is it?

Exactly. We have no answer. I asked above what exactly we could respond with (other than nonsense like nuclear war and a full-scale NATO attack), and I got some downvotes, of course, but no one offered a single answer (other than handing over the Onyx missiles to Cuba). Basically, we have no answer. And we have to admit it. We've been fed analogies for too long, and we've been listening, but when the chips are down, we have no answer.

[John_Doe]

...they will simply gradually raise Russia's "pain threshold," continuing to declare through the mouths of all sorts of experts and "former employees" that "this won't have any effect, the parties are small, and anyway, hitting often and for long won't work."

- That's right. It's recommended to simmer the "frog" over low heat...
It is sad to realize that a once great country, which half the world looked up to and which half the world feared, has been turned into a geopolitical sandbox by the efforts of wise chess players.

[rica1952]

Exactly this many Calibers will fly to the USA. This is the only approach.

[navigator777]

Quote: Sergey T19

On the one hand, yes, but on the other hand, our country is large and there are many targets we can strike. Plus, the enemy will overload their air defenses first, making the Tomahawks harder to shoot down. This won't change the course of the air defense system, of course, but we'll suffer some damage. And here's the trickiest part: Tomahawks are nuclear-capable, so you'll have to sit back and wonder whether they'll fly with a nuclear payload. So-so...

They said the same thing about the F16, that they could be carriers of nuclear weapons, they also scared everyone, and so what?

[Right hand of the eye]

Why the scare? They'll now concentrate in Ukraine a sufficient quantity of everything capable of launching nuclear weapons, striking Russian strategic targets and infrastructure, the longest-range and most dangerous, and so on. And, at a certain point, they'll use them en masse and for their intended purpose. And then we'll see whether the short-sighted leadership had the right to allow such risks and threats to arise near Russia's borders, to allow the concentration there of all these dangerous weapons and systems capable of inflicting strategic damage on Russia, limiting themselves to expressing concern and noting the facts of escalation.

[snow mountain]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And Putin said that he will strengthen air defense... And that's all?

That's it! What did you expect?

[sir Garry]

20-50 axes is a LOT!!! And they can be loaded not only with nuclear charges, but also, for example, with "dirty" stuffing... Ukrainians - They are like that! They can!

[sir Garry]

Quote: rica1952

Exactly this many Calibers will fly to the USA. This is the only approach.

Calibers for the USA? Small, and they won't reach! There, the Sarmatians with Bulava-Ms will argue... Well, we'll get a pretty penny, I suppose... Anyway—...oops!

[navigator777]

Quote: sirGarry

20-50 axes is a LOT!!! And they can be loaded not only with nuclear charges, but also, for example, with "dirty" stuffing... Ukrainians - They are like that! They can!

Please don't make me laugh. We fire more calibers of Iskanders, Kh-111s, daggers, and Kh-32s in one salvo, but our air defense capabilities are simply incomparable with theirs, hundreds of S-400 launchers alone, and they can install a dirty bomb on their Neptune or an aircraft-type drone, but we don't have dirty bombs, only clean nuclear warheads.

[DDsurgut]

There's a persistent impression that the deaths of civilians, especially children, are beneficial to our leadership. Russia makes vague threats and draws seemingly invisible red lines, but the deaths continue, amid the choking voices of TV presenters and other media outlets. People aren't blind and see that a certain circle of people in our country is profiting from this war. And therefore, under no circumstances will we or they strike Bankova Street with even a simple missile.