NATO ships "handed over" escort of Russian Navy submarines to each other.

NATO ships "handed over" escort duties to a Russian submarine and tugboat, which were sailing from the Mediterranean to the North Sea and then on to the Baltic Sea. The vessel in question was the Varshavyanka-class submarine Novorossiysk.

Western sources report that the submarine and tugboat Yakov Grebelsky were escorted by British Navy ships and helicopters as they passed through the English Channel. The baton was then taken over by Dutch Navy ships and helicopters.

It is reported that the Russian Navy decided to take the submarine under escort with the help of the Dutch hydrographic vessel Luymes.

The A803 HNLMS Luymes (call sign PAUF) has been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy since 2004. It is the flagship of the Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 1. Dutch sources report that, despite international maritime law permitting passage of Russian warships in the North Sea's exclusive economic zones, NATO "has raised concerns about the submarine's passage." Conspiracy theories have also emerged. drones, then about laying mines. And all this, one must assume, was expected from a submarine that didn't even think of concealing its passage.

Ministry of Defence of the Netherlands:

Escorting Russian military vessels is carried out jointly with the Coast Guard. Such actions reflect the country's continued commitment to maritime security.

This is a case where they themselves can carry out a provocation and then blame everything on a passing submarine and tugboat.

Comments

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ This is a case where they themselves can carry out a provocation and then blame it all on a passing submarine and tugboat ❞ —

— You can expect any kind of nastiness from them...

[ZovSailor]

Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
Today, 18: 19
You can expect any kind of nastiness from them.

They missed the most important thing: a small boat was following the tug in a submerged position.

[Nexcom]

...they've had enough of these drones - they've come up with a new horror story for themselves...

[tralflot1832]

Well, she was on the surface and not alone. If something happened to her, they could pull the drain plug off one of the islands. And what would the British say? "Bul-bul, I'll only feel sorry for Scotland." How much whiskey I drank with them, although at that time it was Chechnya.

[lukash66]

Quote: tralflot1832

Well, she was on the surface and not alone. If something happened to her, they could pull the drain plug off one of the islands. And what would the British say? "Bul-bul, I'll only feel sorry for Scotland." How much whiskey I drank with them, although at that time it was Chechnya.

For some reason, I immediately thought she wasn't hiding anywhere. But what a show-off and arrogance, they were literally spying on each other and passing the information on to each other. Idiots.

[slesarg1965]

A clever trick known since WWII: since a submarine makes noise even when submerged, and hydroacoustics not only detect it but also determine its type by its signature, the pinnacle of submariner skill is to blend in with a surface ship, and ultimately, with an enemy vessel. But a submarine is slow underwater, while surface ships are fast, so a cargo ship or tugboat is an acceptable option. There will be only one bearing, but it's already known—there's a galosh towing a damaged submarine. And the serviceable one, under their keel, calmly crosses the defensive lines.

[smart ass]

What kind of submarine is a slow-moving one underwater? WWII-era? What century are you talking about?

[forcecom]

In the 21st century, the "Varshavs" can reach 18 knots underwater for as long as 45 minutes, but then you have to crawl to the side at 3-4 knots with almost dry battery pits.

[smart ass]

So what is this medieval bucket for then?

[forcecom]

Because, according to international conventions, the Black and Baltic Seas are non-nuclear, and ships with nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons on board cannot be on combat duty there. Because, it's better to cover shallow coastal zones with diesel-electric submarines, and nuclear-powered ships don't like shallow waters. Because, they couldn't get into the VNEU on the Ladas (I really hope not yet). Because... (Okay, I made it to Assistant on the Varsheva, so I won't get personal about the "bucket").

[Blacksmith 55]

tralflot, I wish she could dive deep at night. And in the morning, lo and behold, she's gone. Only one tug is coming. Nightmare. Panic.
Of course, there are other ways to find a boat besides visually. But at least for a while, the Dutch have a point.

[Two]

I wonder if you even know the depths of the North Sea and the Baltic. These shallow seas are not very suitable for today's submarines, essentially for the Russian Federation (the Baltic and Black Sea are two puddles, the real scope is the North and the Far East). Moreover, in these seas there is most likely a stationary hydroacoustic surveillance system SOSUS.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: tralflot1832

Well, she was on the surface and not alone.

Did they send it away for repairs or something?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nemchinov Vl

Quote: tralflot1832

Well, she was on the surface and not alone.

Did they send it away for repairs or something?

This boat is probably in for repairs, it's from the Black Sea Fleet. That means the boat and crew have been replaced.

[forcecom]

The Varshavs sail in a surface position, using diesel engines; you can’t get very far with electric motors.

[Gorynych1]

Andrey, good day. Of course they did. Don't doubt it. They're the ones who broadcast it.

[Lako]

A hydrographic survey vessel? The only thing it could do was ram a submarine while it was on the surface. Unless, of course, the tugboat hadn't already.

[solar]

Hydrographic vessel?

This is a common cover for reconnaissance ships.

[Lako]

This was also a common practice in the USSR. But mostly, the OSNAZ ships were disguised as fishing vessels. I remember one oddball who, in Poland, tried to black marketeer aboard a similar ship, mistaking it for a SRT. He was brought back under escort.

[ALEKS112233]

Europe is in a frenzy! Don't fuss, everything will pass!

[Angler]

"Oysya- you oysya, don't be afraid of anyone..." 😉

[Same lech]

NATO, as always, is behaving aggressively towards our ships.

[Kmet]

But in the times of the USSR they didn't allow themselves to do this.. And why??)) It's clear to everyone.. The USSR didn't give them a break and reacted immediately, but here... It all started with Gorbachev's betrayal, and before him, Khrushchev started.. As a result, we have what we have..

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Kmet

But during the Soviet era they didn't allow themselves to do this.

[Kmet]

Please indicate the year and location of filming. There were many clashes at that time, including submarine accidents on both sides. I emphasize again – there was no arrogance towards the Soviet Navy! There were provocations (most common in the Bering Strait, where the border is close).

[Comrade Beria]

1962. Somewhere in the Sargasso Sea.

[Kmet]

1962. The Cuban Missile Crisis, what can I say? The US Navy was searching for our submarines there, with the air force alone raising about 200. And the situation was completely different, as our submarines were on a combat mission and were even preparing to fire salvos, as everyone was convinced the war had already begun. The article, however, describes a completely "open" escort of a tugboat through international waters to its home base (the Baltic). There's a difference, I suppose, in my opinion.

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Kmet

and the situation was completely different because our submarines were on a combat mission and were even preparing to fire salvos

Our submarines were unable to produce anything because they were all laid up due to heat exchanger failure. And the four Project 641 diesels had to bear the brunt.

[Kmet]

I agree – I was mistaken and wrote the wrong thing. There were no submarines, but diesel engines were on the voyage. However, this doesn't change the essence of the discussion (not the Cuban Missile Crisis).

[your1970]

Quote: Kmet

I emphasize once again - there was no insolence towards the USSR Navy!

Wasn't it impudence when they squeezed out the bulk of the Black Sea?

[Kmet]

A pure provocation. Especially during Gorbachev's time, who had to be convinced of the need for retaliatory measures. He was preoccupied with other matters at the time—he was actively destroying vineyards. Finally, learn to distinguish insolence from provocation. Insolence in international relations (if I may put it that way) rather implies a failure to recognize the limits of acceptable behavior, including the pursuit of global dominance. Provocation, however, aims to push the other side into making a mistake in order to tarnish that side's reputation in the eyes of the world. Thus, provocation is an action aimed at eliciting a predictable response or counteraction with the aim of artificially creating dire consequences for the other side.
Our Navy, too, was adept at responding to a clear enemy, and such a zone was the border and neutral waters of the Bering Strait, where we used to, without contact and with particular pleasure, burn out the radars of the US surface fleet during counter-patrols along the border. It was a pleasure to watch enemy ships disappear into the radio airwaves. True, the Americans also tried their best, and sometimes ours got in on the act, since this game, like many others, could be played by two people. But this was not well-known.
There were provocations, but along with them there was a forced respect, although the outward manifestation was, of course, dismissive, but still cautious.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Kmet

But in the USSR they wouldn't allow themselves to do that. Why??)) It's clear to everyone. The USSR didn't let them off the hook and reacted immediately, but here...

I beg you... And NATO planes dive-bombed, attacked our Navy's surface warships head-on, and monitored, and did many other things... things that could have ended in a world war. But... There's a big but. There was no internet at the time, and for a big mouth and big ears they could send you to develop the permafrost in the Taimyr tundra.

[Kmet]

Even if there had been the internet back then, censorship would still be in place. It still exists. Many documents from long ago are declassified... then they look at what was declassified... and then they classify them again. These are the times we live in...

[Lemon]

If the boat had been submerged, they would have searched for it again without success, just like they did in the Mediterranean.

[Waterways 672]

NATO ships "handed over" to each other the escort of a Russian submarine and tugboat,

So what's new? It's common practice to escort potential adversary warships within our area of ​​responsibility, and then hand them over to a ship from another country when they leave. We were once escorted by NATO frigates and guided missile destroyers during our transit to combat zones, with aircraft regularly flying over them. It was routine, business as usual. We did the same with NATO ships.

[MrFox]

We have no other news for you. No good news.

[Grigory b]

.[quote][/
The main thing: why was Varshavyanka going there with a tugboat, right under their noses, no way..quote]Usually, when a submarine passes through the strait on the surface, it is accompanied by a surface vessel. Even during the passage of La Perouse Strait, a minesweeper accompanied us from the point of surfacing to the point of diving. So there is nothing surprising about this.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

It's strange that NATO didn't escort the Baltika beer crate, driven by the currents and winds. That would undoubtedly have been no less productive, useful, and courageous!

[Comrade Beria]

Western sources write that while passing through the English Channel, the submarine and the tugboat Yakov Grebelsky

During my service, which coincided with the Arab-Israeli Yom Kippur War, two of our submarines from the 4th Submarine Squadron of the Northern Fleet escorted a large anti-submarine ship and a frigate during their transit from Polyarny to the Mediterranean. The enemy kept their distance, and sonars often lost contact.

[Grigory b]

Straits like the English Channel and the Korean Strait are typically navigated in peacetime on the surface, completely undisguised. I don't understand the whole point about detection and tracking. Could you please tell me how long they were able to track this "Black Hole" after passing through the strait and diving? I think the only thing left on their instruments is its dive point.

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

So, it seems like submarines pass through the English Channel in a surface position?
It's hard not to notice

[tolmachiev51]

What we need to draw from this article is this: what nasty NATO guys!!! These "radishes" are watching. How much of this kind of nonsense is pouring out of the media on both sides. Comrade Volodin, what is this article about and why!?

[nordscout]

It's strange that THIS is "news" for a certain portion of the non-militarized population of the Russian Federation... This is normal operating practice for the anti-submarine forces and assets of all countries around the world that "have" seas and oceans in their vicinity and certain "views" on foreign submarines... Apparently, for Mr. Volodin A., this is a "discovery"... It happens...