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Saudi Arabia is considering the possibility of buying Turkish UAVs "Anka" and MBT "Altai"

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Saudi Arabia is considering the possibility of buying Turkish UAVs "Anka" and MBT "Altai"

The command of the Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia is considering the possibility of acquiring an arms package in Turkey, the cost of which could be 2 billion dollars.


According to the Tuday Zaman newspaper, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia, Lieutenant General Hussein ibn Abdullah al-Gabayel (Hussein ibn Abdullah al-Gubayel) during a visit to Ankara last week to discuss the details of a potential agreement with the president Abdullah Gul, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the command of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces.

In particular, the delegation of Saudi Arabia expressed interest in purchasing the MALE class unmanned aerial vehicle Anka, developed in Turkey, as well as the main combat tank Altai

Turkey completed the assembly of an Altai MBT prototype in November 2012. As expected, the first production tank will be delivered to the country's Armed Forces by the end of the 2015 of the year.

According to Turkish media, Ankara plans to offer the Altai MBT to the international market at a cost of 5,4 million dollars, which is significantly lower compared to the US Abrams MBT, which is valued at 8,5 million dollars.

Earlier it was reported about the interest of the Armed Forces of Egypt in the acquisition of up to 10 unmanned aerial vehicles "Anka".

According to previously announced plans, taking into account the growth rate of the national defense industry, as well as current and future contracts, the volume of military exports of Turkey in 2016 should reach 2 billion dollars.
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  1. elmi
    elmi April 23 2013 17: 03
    13
    I hope our leadership is smart enough to create an armata tank not to be sold to different countries, even to allies.
    1. PISTOL
      PISTOL April 23 2013 17: 07
      14
      Quote: elmi
      I hope our leadership is smart enough to create an armata tank not to be sold to different countries, even to allies.


      We’ll do it for ourselves, why not Belarusians with Kazakhs start supplying
      1. Canep
        Canep April 23 2013 17: 12
        10
        Only Kazakhs with air conditioning please. smile
        1. Manager
          Manager April 23 2013 17: 31
          +5
          Quote: Canep
          Only Kazakhs with air conditioning please. smile

          For you and climate control and automatic transmission! You can even stink in the form of a crown to fit on the panel))
          1. Canep
            Canep April 23 2013 17: 37
            +2
            And is it delivered without an automatic machine? Then be sure to put power windows. laughing
      2. dmitry46
        dmitry46 April 23 2013 17: 30
        +2
        Belarusians can be with Kazakhs! but only after we have enough of them. And then, as a rule, they themselves do not, but we send them for export to everyone in a row.
      3. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT April 23 2013 19: 55
        0
        And they are already in third countries! No, secrecy is secrecy
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 23 2013 17: 05
    +1
    The command of the Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia is considering the possibility of acquiring an arms package in Turkey, the cost of which could be 2 billion dollars.

    Well, new players have appeared on the arms market ... Well, the more interesting it will be to fight them. And honestly it will be very surprising if the Turks have a really good MBT. Well, well, to appear - we'll see ...
    1. urich
      urich April 23 2013 20: 42
      +1
      I think this is a matter of politics. In Turkey, radical Muslims are in power. The Saudis support the brothers in the faith with this decision. On average, we are talking about just over 340 tanks. In total, the Saudis have a little over 1000 tanks, of which more than 200 are in warehouses. In general, the story with the purchase of tanks is rather murky. Here you can remember how some time ago our media were full of articles about the interest in purchasing T-90, and the purchase of 270-300 new leopards has been discussed since 2010. If this is a continuation of the "intentions" on the purchase of tanks (and the numbers are about the same and 300 T-90s, the same number of "leopards", now there is Turkish scrap metal) then this is not the last article on the purchase of tanks by the Saudis ...
      I won’t be surprised if in the end they buy three hundred more Abrams for their 700 ... The East is a delicate matter ...
      1. Andrey_K
        Andrey_K April 23 2013 23: 06
        +1
        An ordinary bribe - they are paying the price to Turkey for its betrayal of Syria.
        Turkey has worked its way, now there will be a salary.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 24 2013 09: 28
          +2
          Quote: Andrey_K
          An ordinary bribe - they are paying the price to Turkey for its betrayal of Syria.
          Turkey has worked, now there will be a salary

          In principle, I agree that there is payment, not retribution!
          But what kind of betrayal are we talking about ??
          Did Turkey make friends with Syria?
          Has Syria not supported Kurdish terrorists for decades?
          It’s just that now the Syrian leadership has to experience what they did to others!
          Although in this situation, I support Assad !!
          1. hayabusa777
            hayabusa777 7 May 2013 12: 20
            +1
            Altai tanks soon in the streets of Khankendi) with our flags
  3. Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 23 2013 17: 06
    +4
    Yes, it would be quicker to show Armata I want to see the faces of expert experts
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 23 2013 19: 36
      +2
      Or on our faces ..........
  4. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 23 2013 17: 06
    0
    Quote: elmi
    our leadership is smart enough



    Why didn’t the sentence end with a question mark? wink All hope ... laughing
  5. Kars
    Kars April 23 2013 17: 07
    +3
    The tradition of Verits is hardly fresh. That Saudi Arabia wants to buy 2A7-800 Leopards, then Altai .A, it buys Abrams.
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov April 23 2013 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      And he buys Abramsy.

      We must somehow support the Shtatov budget, and here they are tossing their vassals.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 23 2013 17: 23
        +2
        In my opinion, the price does not matter to the Saudis with their petroleum tanks, they can buy wholesale from the Americans and moon rovers.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 23 2013 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Kars
      Saudi Arabia wants the Leopards 2A7-800 buys

      They have big problems with blades and electric shavers. Stocks of metal create. laughing
      1. Kars
        Kars April 23 2013 19: 18
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        They have big problems with blades and electric shavers. Metal reserves create

        Very original and humorous. Congratulations. crying
  6. shark
    shark April 23 2013 17: 08
    0
    Why is this Turkish tank called Altai? request
    1. Canep
      Canep April 23 2013 17: 11
      +2
      Turkic is a word. High mountain signifies. The name ALTAY and the surname ALTAEV are common in Kazakhstan, Kazakh and Turkish languages ​​have common roots.
    2. igor67
      igor67 April 23 2013 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: shark
      Why is this Turkish tank called Altai? request

      There was a Turkish general by the name of Altai, it seems
    3. romb
      romb April 23 2013 18: 01
      +2
      http://topwar.ru/3977-obt-altaj-nadezhda-tureckogo-tankostroeniya.html
      There is an explanation why he was given such a name. That was the name of the Turkish General ..
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 23 2013 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: shark
      Why is it Turkish

      Do not be surprised if you hear that in Russian there are a lot of borrowed words, including from Turkic and Arabic.
      1. mamba
        mamba April 23 2013 19: 33
        +1
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Do not be surprised if you hear that in Russian there are a lot of borrowed words, including from Turkic and Arabic.

        There is nothing to be surprised at: this is typical for all modern languages. Foreign borrowings only expand the vocabulary of the language and make it flexible, mobile, equally suitable not only for colloquial speech, but also for all occasions, for example, literature, study, science, production. Then the language becomes great and powerful. Chasing the purity of the language, looking for foreign borrowings in it and reproaching it for this, is completely pointless. For example, Hebrew, recovered from a "dead" language as opposed to Yiddish, allegedly littered with Slavic and German words, is suitable only for colloquial speech. Even English, which is spoken by half of the world, has such a small vocabulary that the number of meanings of one word can reach a dozen. I don’t envy simultaneous interpreters who must have time to scroll through the context in their head before choosing the right meaning.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 23 2013 20: 34
          0
          Quote: mamba
          There’s nothing to be surprised at

          There are still wondering. Strange as it may seem. About English. And it also contains many words with Arabic roots, such as an elevator and even water. smile
          1. atalef
            atalef April 23 2013 20: 49
            +4
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Strange as it may seem. About English. Yes, and it also contains many words with Arabic roots, such as an elevator and even water

            Ezhara, you’re sculpting bullshit again.
            Probably from the morning bubble has not yet departed and logged in the evening.
            As you can see, the captured American menachem told you that Water has Arabic roots (it’s just probably a free translation from English into provincial with the help of an Egyptian soldier)
            Your knowledge of linguistics is even stronger than in history.
            From the old English. wæter. Further from protogerm. watar (German: Wasser, nid. water, Norwegian vatn, Swedish vatten, Frieze wetter, Isl. vatna, etc.). Further from the pre-Indo-European wodor (wedor, udor), from the root * wed-, like Russian. water.

            You will dig about the word elevator yourself or again poke a prickly face on the table. laughing
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 23 2013 22: 24
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Ezhara, you’re sculpting bullshit again.

              You see, wise guy. In my more terrible bullshit, your relatives blinded when you were born. Go and learn. Oh, and how long will you live, based on the words of your fellow countryman, that God takes good people to himself. I would add that smart. To be you the champion of the Guinness Book of Records.
              1. atalef
                atalef April 24 2013 07: 59
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                You see, wise guy. In my more terrible bullshit, your relatives blinded when you were born

                Well, by yourself, either measure it. Of course, at the time when Lenin did you, the GOELRO didn’t start yet and therefore with a torch such nature errors are obtained.
                Quote: Hedgehog
                I would add that smart. Be you the Guinness Book of World Records

                Well then you will survive all of us. Dullness it is immortal (like energy), only changes shape laughing
          2. ultra
            ultra April 23 2013 22: 08
            +1
            [quote = Hedgehog] it also contains many words with Arabic roots, such as an elevator and even water.request request request
  7. Canep
    Canep April 23 2013 17: 10
    0
    It was possible to shove our tanks and push them, but they are without air conditioning, and there you can die in the tank without air conditioning. It's time to put on our armored vehicles (and not only) Conder.
  8. Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 23 2013 17: 12
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    It was possible to shove our tanks and push them, but they are without air conditioning, and there you can die in the tank without air conditioning. It's time to put on our armored vehicles (and not only) Conder.

    I do not agree to t 90 ms installed air conditioning
    1. Canep
      Canep April 23 2013 17: 19
      +1
      I apologize when I served with us. We had T-72B, I didn’t know. It seems that the Hindus also don’t want to fight in a double boiler.
  9. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 23 2013 17: 32
    -1
    The name of the tank is "Altai", it would hurt us, or what?
    Today "Altai" and "Anka", and tomorrow some Poles "Yenisei" and "Petka" will present, and they will poke their noses, they say, look ...
    In fact, even the backward Turks made modern MBT, and we are still marking the spot ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 23 2013 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The name of the tank is "Altai", it would hurt us, or what?
      Today "Altai" and "Anka", and tomorrow some Poles "Yenisei" and "Petka" will present, and they will poke their noses, they say, look ...
      In fact, even the backward Turks made modern MBT, and we are still marking the spot ...

      Here, to hurt this last.
      The ancestors of the Turks are from there, and the Turks are not shy about it at all. You would have listened to the speeches of the President of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, so they start the speech, we passed from the lands of your ancestors and the Turks also answered them and we should forget where our ancestors came from. So in one Turkish film to the question of the Turk where he disappeared for 15 years, he said on the land of ancestors in Uzbekistan)) So all the way from the initial movement of the Turks to the Turkish border are considered the lands of their ancestors, therefore people living there too.
      But the name of the tank is associated with the Turkish general ALTAI. Altai is a common name among the Türks.
      1. heavytank
        heavytank April 24 2013 09: 46
        +2
        Altai is the Altai Territory in the Russian Federation, the Altai Republic. it was here that the ancestors of today's Turks and Turkic-speaking peoples once appeared. so Altai is considered the birthplace of the Turkish peoples.
  10. Kars
    Kars April 23 2013 17: 36
    +2
    Quote: Ivan Tarasov
    In fact, even the backward Turks made modern MBT

    It is not necessary that the Turks made the usual NATO MBT without special nishtyakov. Purely for the development of their own heavy industry. There is no serial production, the claimed characteristics are mediocre. The level of abrams M1A1 with an interference fit A2 depending on whose thermal imager there is.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2013 18: 29
      0
      Quote: Kars
      Level abramsa M1A1 with a tightness A2 depending on whose thermal imager there.


      And the "chobham" armor will be used on it? Then there is a field for our GRU ....
      1. Kars
        Kars April 23 2013 19: 21
        0
        Quote: svp67
        And the "chobham" armor will be used on it? Then there is a field for our GRU ..

        vryatli precisely chobhem, but the puff is guaranteed.
        about the GRU, haven’t they yet studied? News is not a rarity for a long time.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 23 2013 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Kars
          about the GRU, haven't you studied it yet? News has long been a rarity.

          Here, the main thing is not what, but how ... It was possible to study the armor itself, but the process itself ... request That's what is very interesting
          1. bask
            bask April 23 2013 21: 44
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            but the main thing is not what, but how ... It was possible to study the armor itself, but the process itself ... That's what is very interesting

            If Turkish ,, Altai ,, is a licensed revised version of the Korean K 2, Black Panther ,,. So the armor should be similar. And the price is lower, on ,, Altai, due to less saturation of the MBT electronics ((up to a third, of the cost) of the tank.
            Armor itself is metal, it costs about the same in the whole world.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 23 2013 22: 00
              0
              Quote: bask
              Armor itself is metal, it costs about the same in the whole world.

              Yes, the fact of the matter is that on modern MBT armor is no longer only metal. In the most important areas, it is a very complex "sandwich" of various metallic and non-metallic materials. The English Chobham armor is still considered the best. It is constantly being upgraded. And the process of obtaining it is still a big secret.
              1. bask
                bask April 23 2013 22: 48
                0
                Quote: svp67
                ny metallic and non-metallic materials. English Chobham armor is still

                ,, Chobhem ,,, this is an outdated version. I think we have known it for a long time.
                In modern tanks, the main armor will have a secondary role. Only as a framework for MBTs. And the most important defensive role is from various threats, like kinetic, ammunition, tanks. Cumulative from BPG and ATGMs, especially flying-departing upper hemispheres. Must decide, modern laid on uranium ceramics, KAZ / DZ.
                1. bask
                  bask April 23 2013 23: 10
                  0
                  This will solve the problem of weight MBT. Modular reservation for specific combat missions !!! Maximum, all-angle, circular, protection for actions in the city.
                  In the era, tank duels and frontal attacks reinforced only frontal armor.
                  Now in the era of asymmetric wars, everything that used to fly head-on will fly to any of the most vulnerable parts of MBT.
                  To do this, you need a modular patch armor. + No one does not cancel KAZ / DZ.
  11. pechv
    pechv April 23 2013 17: 58
    +4
    Strange news. It is clear that they will not buy their tanks from the Turks. They seem to remember in Russia, too, they wanted to buy something (С-400), but then changed their minds. This is such a sweetie on a string - they will play, play, and let go in peace.
    Who, in their right mind, will buy an arms system, which also has not been tested in Turkey.
    They want Turkey to reassure a little - wait a little, then we will fill up with money. This is likely to support the confidence of the Turkish leadership in the line to destroy Syria. Then all these words will be forgotten and the Turks will be forgiven. Just like children ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 23 2013 18: 36
      +2
      Quote: pechv
      Strange news. It is clear that they will not buy their tanks from the Turks. They seem to remember in Russia, too, they wanted to buy something (С-400), but then changed their minds. This is such a sweetie on a string - they will play, play, and let go in peace.
      Who, in their right mind, will buy an arms system, which also has not been tested in Turkey.
      They want Turkey to reassure a little - wait a little, then we will fill up with money. This is likely to support the confidence of the Turkish leadership in the line to destroy Syria. Then all these words will be forgotten and the Turks will be forgiven. Just like children ...

      The story of the S-400 was in Turkey, when they wanted to buy or did not want to, in short, the tender was covered and did not buy.
      But who are the Saudis so that the Turks would climb into Syria because of them.
      Especially since it is the East, the Saudis themselves said it and forget it, they did not specifically promise, but expressed a desire.
      Moreover, this tank is primarily for the Turkish army and the conditions of Turkey. The minus is that the Turks make the tank for the first time and difficulties will be enough, plus, unlike Russia and the United States with their vast territories and awful conditions, the Turks should not bother with the universal tank They need a tank for their region. And deliveries to foreign armies this year 2020 can be oriented.
      1. pechv
        pechv April 24 2013 15: 50
        0
        It was Saudi Arabia that named a whole list of weapons that it "wanted" to buy in Russia. This was discussed almost in all seriousness. This was just the time when DAM made the final decision not to sell the S-300 to Iran. We wanted to support this decision, but then we forgot.
        It has long been - in the year 2009. But the news was such

        You can just google "Saudi Arabia will buy S-400 complexes from Russia"
  12. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 23 2013 18: 15
    +2
    Turkish tank is not a very good option :) but what? Amerikosi refused abramsi dates? money is not a problem for the Saudis.
  13. castle
    castle April 23 2013 18: 23
    -4
    I go to the forum like a communist May Day. All under red banners. Probably for the country in which they live, they are shy. Now especially for tankers. Universal platform is nonsense. They create it according to the principle "if the Americans talk about it, then we must do it." Recently came across last year's article http://ariru.info/news/c9a8f2b6c, Read it. Some old people will burst with rage. In order not to be called a milk sucker, I inform you that this year I will celebrate my 60th birthday.
    1. Kars
      Kars April 23 2013 18: 28
      0
      Quote: hrad
      http://ariru.info/news/c9a8f2b6c

      By the way, the article is nothing.
    2. igor67
      igor67 April 23 2013 18: 28
      +3
      Quote: hrad
      I go to the forum like a communist May Day. All under red banners. Probably for the country in which they live, they are shy. Now especially for tankers. Universal platform is nonsense. They create it according to the principle "if the Americans talk about it, then we must do it." Recently came across last year's article http://ariru.info/news/c9a8f2b6c, Read it. Some old people will burst with rage. In order not to be called a milk sucker, I inform you that this year I will celebrate my 60th birthday.

      The red flag is nostalgia for youth, most likely. And what do you have against the first? At least people going out to the parade talked, and not like now only on the Internet,
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 23 2013 19: 03
      +2
      I would also put a red flag, for some reason it is not set sad but about shame, dear friend, are you wrong, people just want a union state and all the good that was in it, everyone is tired of these feuds before heartburn! drinks
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 April 23 2013 19: 55
        0
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        people just want a union state and all the good things that were in it,
        You can put a red flag on your avatar, but it’s not clear how to hide behind. The meaning of the flag is to see what country you live in, what opinion itats have. When the flags were removed, I wrote about their return. And now they’re hiding again. Nostalgia is good, but when it turns into paranoid ...
        1. Cavalier
          Cavalier April 23 2013 19: 59
          14 th
          A red rag is not needed. That country has been gone for 20 years and never will be, fortunately. They ate.
          1. Cavalier
            Cavalier April 23 2013 20: 40
            -9
            Did I say something wrong? In my opinion, it is clear to all sane people that the USSR has collapsed, and it’s silly to nostalize for miles of queues, rampant drunkenness and the lack of basic benefits.
            1. cth; fyn
              cth; fyn April 24 2013 06: 28
              +1
              kilometers of lines, total drunkenness and lack of basic goods

              Well, well, of course, to give an example of the agony of the state at the moment when it begins the path into the abyss is very clever, but now what has changed? is life better under Putin? Yes nifiga like that, the system was replaced by a capitalist and all.
              Those who have a good job live well, and those who have no money live in
              kilometers of lines, total drunkenness and lack of basic goods
              except for queues, as it makes sense to stand in line when there is no money.
              It was cool in the USSR, at least that’s what my dad, grandmother, grandfather, grandfather of my friend says, and indeed many people like to remember, for example, Dad remembers how he and his brother kept a full trunk of sausages, he really had a rush story, just ask granny and ears fade, so you're wrong and look at the situation one-sidedly, forgetting that the coin has two sides.
            2. Tan4ik
              Tan4ik April 24 2013 09: 41
              +1
              Schnick, get out of here on all four sides. And this is not nostalgia, with the advice they lived well and had confidence in the future.
          2. ultra
            ultra April 23 2013 22: 16
            +4
            Quote: Cavalier
            That country has been gone for 20 years and never will be, fortunately.
            For you, it may be fortunate, but for me personally it’s MISSILITY!
            1. Cavalier
              Cavalier April 23 2013 22: 18
              -6
              Happiness is not to have access to products, but to stand in line and stand for Zhiguli 10 years? Cool, cho.
              1. Lich
                Lich April 24 2013 00: 47
                +1
                Quote: Cavalier
                Cavalier

                If you choose the moments of history where it was the worst time, then of course everything is bad where not to look. That's just the story you need to learn!
      2. ultra
        ultra April 23 2013 22: 14
        0
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        I would also put a red flag, for some reason it is not set

        So you have red!
      3. heavytank
        heavytank April 24 2013 09: 48
        -2
        I hate Communists and the USSR. was rubbish and ruin only now. Do not dream.
    4. Cavalier
      Cavalier April 23 2013 19: 09
      -3
      Well, your article is, to put it mildly, delusional written, but the very fact of obsolescence of the "Soviet design idea" in Russian tanks is obvious to anyone, both a specialist and an amateur.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 24 2013 06: 33
        0
        And what is outdated there, hang up modern MSAs, KAZ and KDZ, Put a new dviglo and transmission, Any electronics will be modern MBT, the question arises in all these matters, and the iron itself is good, the main thing is to use it correctly.
      2. heavytank
        heavytank April 24 2013 09: 54
        0
        you need to upgrade old tanks to level 4. here's the offer of tanks and a model in 3D
        1. heavytank
          heavytank April 24 2013 09: 56
          +1
          The Russian military-industrial complex can make such protection for tanks
    5. ultra
      ultra April 23 2013 22: 13
      +1
      Quote: hrad
      Probably for the country in which they are shy

      They remember the country in which they lived! I don’t see anything wrong with that! good good good
    6. Lich
      Lich April 24 2013 00: 44
      0
      Quote: hrad
      So that they do not call me a skimmer, I inform you that this year I will celebrate my 60th birthday.

      Age is not an indicator of the mind. And your article is really nothing of such articles lying around on the Internet.
    7. Professor
      Professor April 24 2013 08: 40
      -2
      Some old people burst with rabies.

      Greetings, I have been posting a similar article for a long time. How many firewood was broken ...
      The tank is dead, long live the tank
  14. castle
    castle April 23 2013 18: 39
    -3
    And now we go to talk both on the mountains and in the pubs and on the skis and in the forest and on the hunt and theaters. And all this in its hunt. On the first of May, few went on their hunt. Those who did not come were punished. And whoever quarreled with some sort of political instructor didn’t take children from institutes and did other abominations. Here is such an attitude to the first of May. But this topic is not for TOWAR
    1. igor67
      igor67 April 23 2013 18: 50
      -4
      I agree with you
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 23 2013 19: 27
      +1
      The red flag is just a mark, like Born in the USSR. Although in Russia there is a SU domain, along with the more well-known RU. This SU shows a red flag.
      And regarding meetings. My granddaughter is finishing 7th grade. So, the children and their parents will organize the last meeting this school year. In one academic year of such meetings, fees are held at least four. Although, frankly, children do not mind the Internet. And with pleasure they go to these fees. In good weather, they pass by the river, in the fresh air.
    3. Rebus
      Rebus April 23 2013 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: hrad
      And whoever quarreled with some sort of political instructor didn’t take children from institutes and did other abominations.

      Did you really have such insanity in the Czech Republic?
      I remember in the early 80s my father constantly quarreled with the secretary of the city committee (because of the abuses of the party committee of his enterprise), wrote articles to Pravda (though they were not published), but no repressions followed, although there were changes in his enterprise, also...
    4. ultra
      ultra April 23 2013 22: 18
      +4
      Quote: hrad
      And whoever quarreled with some sort of political instructor didn’t take children from institutes and did other abominations.

      BULLSHIT! negative
      1. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov April 24 2013 11: 02
        0
        In the 83rd year, my father voluntarily resigned from the CPSU. At that time I was studying in the 2nd year of the Military Academy named after A.F. Mozhaysky (Leningrad). There were no repressions. He graduated from the Academy in 1986 with a gold medal.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 24 2013 12: 37
          +1
          Let the Czech tell how bad they got after 1968 and how good they are now.
  15. darksoul
    darksoul April 23 2013 18: 43
    0
    A new player in the arms market, will Turks push Americans out of its market?
    1. Cavalier
      Cavalier April 23 2013 19: 03
      0
      Of course not. The scale is not the same.
  16. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... April 23 2013 18: 48
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    Just for the name of their samopuki "Altai" the Turks should, at least, give up the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
    1. castle
      castle April 23 2013 19: 19
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      Well well. And the Swiss could give their money for the fact that they have a football player Altai Kahraman.
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... April 23 2013 20: 45
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        The term for a football player is a maximum of 3 years, and one should not confuse the soft with the hot. You minSS!
  17. UFO
    UFO April 23 2013 19: 09
    +1
    Yes, even if they buy Petka, if the Mohammedan brothers begin to greet the spring, no UAVs will help the Saudis. wink
  18. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz April 23 2013 19: 11
    +4
    Already tested!
  19. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz April 23 2013 19: 12
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    Already tested!
  20. Metlik
    Metlik April 23 2013 19: 20
    -2
    Americans pay Arab money to the Turks for helping bandits in Syria. And Israel is behind all this.
  21. individual
    individual April 23 2013 20: 29
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    The name of the Turet tank "Altai" is surprising, because the geopolitical task of the leadership of the Erdogan government is the expansion of Turkey, the creation of a caliphate from Istanbul to Barnaul, and the Russian Barnaul is geographically located in Altai. From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, I, for some reason, did not hear the notes of protest or other demarche. Maybe our military-industrial complex, when creating military weapons, needs to assign the names of cities and regions of a potential enemy. Or how?
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz April 23 2013 21: 20
      +1
      The tank was named after General Fakhrettin Altai, who participated in the Turkish War of Independence in 1919-1923.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS April 23 2013 21: 25
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    Not everything is so simple with a Turkish tank, it is not ready yet. And buying it by the Saudis is more likely to show problems in relations with the USA than the quality of the tank !!
  23. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... April 23 2013 21: 27
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    Off-topic - Skews in the labor market - inability to write comments - why should this topic be put up with such strain at all?
  24. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... April 23 2013 21: 58
    +1
    Altai is a geographical territory of the Russian Federation + a toponymic established symbol. Whoever does not agree, let them throw me at all vileness. The ability to use the name Altai in all contexts has only the Russian Federation, and not like Turkey, which claims the right to language, no more, the use of the concept of this toponym
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 23 2013 22: 44
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      Quote: We are from Tambov ...
      Only the Russian Federation can use the name Altai in all contexts.

      actually the tank is named after the Turkish general Fakhrettin Altai
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz April 23 2013 22: 53
      +2
      And what does ALTAI mean in Russian?
    3. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... April 24 2013 02: 06
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      Maybe you are right. But why try "to the gut". They could have called it somehow and more correctly.
  25. Thor
    Thor April 23 2013 23: 42
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    Why Arabia tanks when with all neighbors a good relationship
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 24 2013 06: 41
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      Cheb was, suddenly cho, and they have.
    2. individual
      individual April 24 2013 09: 50
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      Egypt was also friends with all its neighbors, but even tanks did not help it. Peacekeeper Mubarak cannot be determined in any way. The United States showed its loyal vassal before "Islamic radicals. The whole world froze in anticipation, but what next. There is a saying: When GOD is angry with America, he sends a tornado at them. When HE is angry with other countries, he sends America to them.
  26. Lich
    Lich April 24 2013 00: 49
    +1
    Quote: Cavalier
    Well, your article is, to put it mildly, delusional written, but the very fact of obsolescence of the "Soviet design idea" in Russian tanks is obvious to anyone, both a specialist and an amateur.

    Many countries took the basics of building tanks from the USSR!
  27. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga April 24 2013 03: 24
    0
    ghjdthrf cdzpb
  28. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 24 2013 06: 39
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    as well as the Altai main battle tank, which is under development and testing.

    Those. it is not known what, but are they already thinking of buying it? And where is the logic? In my opinion, buying a tank does not differ from buying a car, went down, looked at what it was affordable, compared the characteristics, went for a test drive, thought, compared, estimated the cost of maintenance and chose what suits best, and then they buy a cat in a bag, and suddenly it will be break every 100 meters? First, they would wait for the end of the tests, send a delegation to test their own tests, and it’s unknown to buy that, which has not passed the test of time - Avos’s top.
    1. heavytank
      heavytank April 24 2013 09: 58
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      and here’s a plan for tanks
  29. hermes
    hermes April 27 2013 14: 38
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    At the moment, Altai is better than the Ukrainian stronghold