The enemy showed an An-28 with numerous marks of downed UAVs.

The Ukrainian army faces a severe shortage of funds Defense has been using light civilian equipment for quite some time now Aviation to combat drones. As a rule, both sports training aircraft, such as the Yak-52, and light passenger aircraft, in particular the An-28, are used for these purposes. In this case, fire on attack drones is conducted from small arms. weapons, just like during World War I. As soon as a Russian drone is detected by air defense sensors, the aircraft takes off, approaches the target to within 60-90 meters, and then the gunner opens fire.

These aircraft often crash while pursuing Geraniums or are shot down by their own air defenses, and their overall effectiveness is well-foundedly questionable. However, Ukrainian propaganda, in an attempt to boost the morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, published photographs of an An-28 aircraft with numerous markings on its fuselage indicating downed UAVs. In total, there are approximately 60 such markings.

In addition, as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksandr Syrsky, asserts, in the fight against dronesHelicopters play a key role in kamikaze operations. To improve their effectiveness, they are equipped with special targeting systems and detection systems. However, according to the Ukrainian commander-in-chief, the effectiveness of ground fire teams continues to decline.

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[Grossvater]

The enemy showed an An-28 with numerous marks of downed UAVs.

"And you say"...

[January]

So what should we do now, draw tanks and factories on the "geraniums"?
I saw an ancient Lada the other day with three "grandmothers" painted on the fender. I don't think the driver is wearing three "wood grouse" (unclear words). Kids, what can you expect from them? Let them show off...

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: ian

They're kids, what can you expect? Let them show off.

And I saw a UAZ 469 with the inscription on the rear window:
There's a beast under the hood - a stallion at the wheel.
There are also young people behind the wheel, apparently from some village.
Well, what can you expect from the poor...

[Alexander 3]

Are the marks in LITERS or kilograms?

[Lionnvrsk]

The enemy showed an An-28 with numerous marks of downed UAVs.

Are they also killing their own drones, or are they just making a report? The last one in the second row is Skakuas's Lyut!

[ideo098]

Yeah, I also noticed that their Fierce drone is pictured on the right. Well, it counts, too, they shot it down, even if it was their own.

[faiver]

Well, what can you expect from the poor...

- Are you jealous of someone else's youth? The question is, who's the wretched one?

[Zoldat_A]

An An-28 with numerous marks of downed UAVs

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Well, what can you expect from the poor...

Something reminded ...
This is also "redneck" level humor.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ian

So what should we do now, draw tanks and factories on the "geraniums"?

You can use pig silhouettes. There will be more of them.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ian

The other day I saw an ancient basin with 3 grandmothers painted on the wing...

[Popandos]

And you say

Well, these still modest guys only drew 60 of them. They recently wrote about the same "hunters" on the old S125 complex who painted their SAM system so badly that there was no room left to draw new symbols. As Lavrov said, "You're idiots." ©

[Obstacle from the right]

The enemy showed an An-28 with numerous marks of downed UAVs.

"And you say"...

These are the most ancient Ukrainians)) It's strange that there are no marks on it about downed Iskanders and Kinzhals...

[poquello]

"for example, the Yak-52, as well as light passenger aircraft, in particular the An-28."
Well, we need to make some interceptor geraniums to make this crap fly off.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ Ukrainian propaganda, in an attempt to somehow boost the morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, published photographs of an An-28 aircraft with numerous markings on its fuselage indicating downed UAVs. In total, about 60 such marks were made. ❞ —

— There would have been more, the felt-tip pen would have written all over...

[Sky strike fighter]

Just mount some kind of interceptor drone on the Geranium, or just an FPV drone, where a Geranium modification with such FPV capabilities would also act as a repeater. An additional function. Self-defense. Even to the point of mounting an FPV interceptor drone on each Geranium, in addition to its primary function, for self-defense. Once an FPPV drone like that flies into the air, they'll stop using their current tactics. But then the cost of the FPV will be recouped by the fact that Geraniums won't be shot down like that, which will also save resources.

[Panadol]

Why hang anything? Don't you have markers? Just draw a couple dozen F16s.
Let them rack their brains.

[Sky strike fighter]

Hang a felt-tip pen on Geranium so that you can fly up to this An-28 and cross out/cover up with this felt-tip pen all the marks drawn on the An-28 about downed UAVs.

[sagitovich]

We are waiting for you for an interview at the Ministry of Defense.
Contact any military registration and enlistment office at your place of residence.
We, MO, are waiting for you!

[Sky strike fighter]

Have you decided to save money on printing an ad in newspapers?

[glock-17]

It would be better to focus on speed and equip more Geraniums with jet engines.

[Sky strike fighter]

There's a video online of a Geran-3 jet escaping a Ukrainian Yak-52, which the Yak-52 was unsuccessfully trying to catch. I'd post the video again, but it'll be deleted again. Either it's too secret, or someone doesn't like it.

[glock-17]

During WWII, the British built the twin-engine Mosquito bomber entirely out of wood. The emphasis was on speed. Neither Messers nor Fockers were often able to match that.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Glock-17

Neither the Messers nor the Fockers could often do anything about it.

We had something similar, too. LaGG, I think that's what it was called. Made of plywood, coated with a special varnish (probably for speed). People called it the "Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin."

[not main]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Quote: Glock-17

Neither the Messers nor the Fockers could often do anything about it.

We had something similar, too. LaGG, I think that's what it was called. Made of plywood, coated with a special varnish (probably for speed). People called it the "Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin."

Yes, there was such a plane! And it wasn't a coffin at all! It was inferior to the Me-109 (even the E) in speed and power output, but it had a superior salvo. After replacing the engine with an ASh-82, the result was the LA-5, then the LA-5FN, and we won't discuss the post-war history of the LA-7.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: non-primary

And it’s not a coffin at all!

Yes. Not a coffin. A varnished coffin. Equally dangerous to its pilots, just like a Messer. And that's how it is, as armchair true patriots wouldn't want it to be otherwise.
https://topwar.ru/157098-boevye-samolety-lagg-3-grob-ili-rojal.html?ysclid=mgimafj0c8588182252

Quote: non-primary

And after replacing the engine with the ASH-82, the result was the LA-5, then the LA-5FN.

No. The LaGG is not an La-5, and certainly not an La-5FN! On paper, it's simply an "engine change." In reality, the result is a completely different aircraft.

[not main]

Read the memoirs of Semyon Alekseevich Lavochkin! No... better yet, don't read anything else! You do it better this way!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: non-primary

No...it's better not to read anything!

In response, I could say something like, "Don't write anything, you do it better this way," but I won't stoop to your level.
Yes, the "Russ-Plywood" wasn't born out of a good life, but that doesn't automatically make it a good car. The lyrics continue.

[not main]

Okay. No more lyrical remarks. What was wrong with it? Yes, it was heavy (relatively) and had poor power-to-weight ratio (I mentioned this above, by the way). So what? Take the P-39—is it an outstanding aircraft? Not at all! But the armament! Or the I-16, which is obsolete.
But I flew at extreme power settings, but I could only shoot rifle-caliber! And finally, I don't like to get personal, but just a question: how many hours did you spend in the air?

[not main]

I will add that the LAGG-3 differs from the LA-5 only in the engine frame and engine cowlings!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: non-primary

I will add that the LAGG-3 differs from the LA-5 only in the engine frame and engine cowlings!

Yeah. Of course! If that's the case, then why bother?
For example: T-54 and T-55.

[nedgen]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Quote: non-primary

I will add that the LAGG-3 differs from the LA-5 only in the engine frame and engine cowlings!

Yeah. Of course! If that's the case, then why bother?
For example: T-54 and T-55.

Can you explain to me how you can visually distinguish the latest versions of the T-54 from the first versions of the T-55? For example, I grew up among these very same vehicles, and I could NEVER tell them apart. Then it became completely impossible because all T-54s were upgraded to the T-55 standard. And then all the vehicles were called T-55s!!!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: nedgen

And can you explain to me how you can externally distinguish the latest versions of the T-54 and the first versions of the T-55?

That's the point! Externally, they're identical twins, but internally, the difference is colossal. What did they "just" change? Just extrapolate to the Lagg-3 and La-5.

Quote: non-primary

I will add that the LAGG-3 differs from the LA-5 only in the engine frame and engine cowlings!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vasyan1971

They look like twins on the outside, but the difference inside is colossal. What "just" changed?

How else are they different, besides the presence of anti-nuclear protection (PAZ) on the T-55?

[Vasyan1971]

This isn't about the T-55. It's just an illustration of the thesis.

Extrapolate to Lagg-3 and La-5.
Quote: non-primary
I will add that the LAGG-3 differs from the LA-5 only in the engine frame and engine cowlings!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: non-primary

but just a question: how many hours did you spend in the air?

In response, I have a simple question: how many hours did you spend in the air piloting the Lagg-3?

Quote: non-primary

What was wrong with it? Yes, it was heavy (relatively speaking) and had low power output (I mentioned this above, by the way).

That's precisely what's wrong with it. Plus, there are rampant flaws in mass production. It's only as bad as its successor, the La5FN, was good. A combat vehicle isn't a thing in itself, but a means of combating enemy vehicles. It's a shame you can't see the forest for the trees...

[Serg koma]

Quote: Vasyan1971

The result was a different plane.

Yeah, of course, it's completely different, because it wasn't called LaGG, but La

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Serg Koma

Yeah, of course, completely different.

Of course! After all, for you, say, the T-34 model 1941 and the T-34 model 1944 are the same vehicle. It makes sense, right? Yeah, right.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Quote: Serg Koma

Yeah, of course, completely different.

Of course! After all, for you, say, the T-34 model 1941 and the T-34 model 1944 are the same vehicle. It makes sense, right? Yeah, right.

It doesn't make sense; you missed the T-34 model 1940, the T-34 model 1942, and the T-34-85 model 1943 (and the list is not complete). They could have jumped straight to the T-44—that would have made a real difference. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Serg Koma

It's not logical, you missed the T-34 model 1940, T-34 model 1942, T-34-85 model 1943

It makes sense, but you're just not getting the logic. The cars are, in fact, different, despite the letters in their names.
You can also remember the T-54 and T-55. They're the same "glider," but, again, the FACT is, they're different machines. The T-54 has vanished into thin air, while the T-55 still serves in some places.

[Dedok]

No. The LaGG is not an La-5, and certainly not an La-5FN! On paper, it's simply an "engine change." In fact, the result was a different plane.

that's right: I-185

[K_4]

Maybe put a couple of "Fly" tubes under the wings, on Geranka with a camera and catch them converging.

[fiv]

Our hooligans can paint anything in half an hour, like oak, ash, or Uncle Vasya's auger. And here, they're painting fifty birds...

[Alexander X]

It's like the joke: the neighbor says that he has 5 women in one night... That's what you say too.
You can draw at least 100 flying saucers...

[sir Garry]

From a flying airplane, it seems to me, it's quite difficult to hit a two-meter target from 60-90 meters away. The Ukrainians are lying!

[Denkenmacht]

Well, yes, of course it’s not easy ))) And how, I wonder, did they cope in air combat 80 years ago???

[kirichkov]

and how the backers shoot at sea from helicopters, oh yeah, that's something else!

[fuel oil]

Geraniums should be equipped with something small, interesting, filled with balls... Not all of them, selectively to dampen the zeal of AN-28 pilots.

[Comrade Beria]

However, Ukrainian propaganda, in an attempt to somehow boost the morale of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, published photographs of an An-28 aircraft with numerous markings on its fuselage indicating downed UAVs.

That's what propaganda is for. The main principle is: "Draw more, why feel sorry for their enemies?"

War, sir.

[S. Viktorovich]

An aerial platform with special detection and destruction equipment is apparently most effective against UAVs at this stage.

[alexoff]

The enemy showed a village cellar with pickles with numerous marks of downed UAVs

[Krivotykin]

If I were flying on a plane, I'd draw a skull and crossbones to scare the naglokexes.

[alexoff]

It's strange that they're also publishing the results of these drones reaching their targets. I remember in 2022, they started intercepting all missiles even when they weren't launched. Until suddenly, geraniums started flying into Kyiv through the layered defenses.

[svarog77]

It's obvious that everything is being knocked down... the question is with what exactly?

[Lauren]

As usual, the Ukronazis report that 220 of the 120 launched missiles have been shot down... Are you from Ignat, who shoots EVERYTHING down from the TV set?

[WIS]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Is there anything similar in Russia?

Why bother? We have our own refineries, just in case. (Sorry.)
One thing is clear - many people, including those here, are happy with this ping-pong - that's why the participants on both sides of the conflict are laughing at EVERYTHING!

Where the main principle is: "Draw more, why feel sorry for your enemies."

[Tagan]

Unfortunately, the idiots with the "zombie box" brains competing here

.....

Over the years, Ukraine has developed an effective, multi-layered system for detecting, suppressing, and destroying low-speed drones.

How can anyone else compare to such a genius?
Can you somehow confirm this effectiveness?
Everything is described so beautifully. Now all that's left is to appreciate the real impact of the picture you've drawn.

[26rus]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Over the years, Ukraine has developed an effective, multi-layered system for detecting, suppressing, and destroying low-speed drones.

And how does this help them, besides the fact that they knock down 101% of the launched ?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Air defense systems - various types of mobile groups with machine guns, artillery and missiles on vehicles... Is there anything similar in the Russian Federation?

Why nothing similar exists in Russia can be understood by examining the Ukrainian experience, which was divulged by the Ukrainian ambassador (or ambassadoress?) to the United States, Brink, while thanking the Americans for their financial assistance:
"...mobile fire teams of the National Guard of Ukraine and the State Border Service of Ukraine... 800 such teams, which have shot down more than 200 drones since January 1, 2024."

Original

Mobile fire groups of the National Guard of Ukraine and the State Cordon Service of Ukraine claim to be successful in their work, protecting people and critical infrastructure from attacks on the side of Russia. I am writing that the Bureau of the State Department for the International Fight Against Drugs and Law Enforcement Activities financed 800 such groups, which have killed over 200 drones since 1 June 2024

Got the gist? 800 pickup trucks with machine guns shot down 200 drones in all of 2024. That's an average of a quarter of a drone for each. Over the course of a year, Karl!
This is such bullshit...

[Konnick]

One comment on the matter

[Dedok]

One comment on the matter

It can't be any other way...

[bar]

Did the technician steal a can of paint from somewhere?

[snow mountain]

And soon a drawing of this An-28 will appear on our drone.

[svarog77]

To do this, he needs to at least take off, but this is not a fact...

[Samaks]

There's a real sniper sitting in the air taxi...

[former soldier]

Well, okay, during the day, under a clear sky, the second pilot leans out of the cockpit of a light aircraft and fires from his grandfather's kulak sawed-off shotgun at peacefully flying Geraniums, but our raids on targets are usually at night It's dark at night. Do Ukrainian pilots fly with flashlights or something? Or searchlights?

[air wolf]

I don't understand, how are our Sushi 35s doing? What about the radar and the missiles that fire 200 km away, or is it all just a fairy tale 🤔

[ISSIDOR]

Small aircraft also patrol and shoot down aircraft over the Ryazan region.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is roughly what a light twin-engine attack aircraft, also a drone interceptor, should look like.
But there are many subtleties.
It needs a radar similar to the Ka-52 or Mi-28, a machine gun/cannon mount, air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, armor, and an ejection system for the pilots. Basically, it needs a helicopter fuselage with wings attached.
None of the above is observed on the An-28.

[Bayun]

The car is beautiful and, judging by its "feathers," very maneuverable. Two engines means excellent durability. I think it could handle just one; it's a Soviet-era aircraft.

Shooting down 60 drones in 3 years? It's entirely possible. It's like a KAMAZ truck crushing 60 electric scooters.

[matsur]

Is it possible, hypothetically, to target these aircraft with geraniums?

[matsur]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Unfortunately, the idiots with their minds obsessed with "zombie boxes," competing here in what they consider "wit," fail to grasp a simple fact: over the years, Ukraine has developed an effective, multi-layered system for detecting, suppressing, and destroying low-speed drones. The detection system is based on sound sensors and 4G mobile antennas. The suppression systems are various types of electronic warfare stations installed in areas where Russian attack UAVs typically fly or mounted on vehicles. The air defense systems are various types of mobile teams with machine guns, artillery, and missiles mounted on vehicles, stationed near targets susceptible to UAV strikes and within the UAV "channels." Does Russia have anything similar?

I did not see.

[Bad_gr]

An-28 was created as a replacement for the An-2.
In the photo, the old (An-28) and the modern (LMS-901 "Baikal") replacement for the An-2.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

However, the An-28's TVD-10 engine costs several times more than the An-2's ASh-62 piston engine, and there are two of them. So, it's a poor replacement, not for everyone and not everywhere.

[Bad_gr]

Two engines ensure passenger safety. This is especially true because these aircraft are designed for use in areas with few airfields and their altitude limits their ability to glide far in the event of engine failure.

[ideo098]

Judging by the opening hatches on the side windows of the cockpit, this is where small arms fire is conducted. Based on the hatches' placement, it appears that this aircraft is designed to pursue its target and engage it with small arms fire as it gets closer. This is precisely why our Gerani jets are unrivaled; the AN-28 simply can't reach the same speed and catch up, but the crested aircraft apparently handles slow-moving decoy targets like the Gerber.
As for the detection system, there were so many ideas on this topic in the chats, back at the beginning of the SVO and in the second year, that the chubatye guys simply picked up the ideas here and implemented them. Their MO allows for the implementation of ideas "on the fly."

[O. Bender]

They seem to have Lyuty drawn there, they also combed theirs He he