Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?

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Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?


School as a "matrix" of culture


School is one of the most stable and conservative social institutions, essentially the "genetic matrix" of culture. It reproduces new generations in accordance with its "matrix." Therefore, the type of school developed by a given culture is a crucial factor in the formation and reproduction of civilization.



School is a mechanism that preserves and transmits cultural and civilizational heritage from generation to generation. It is also an ideological institution that "produces the individual" of a given society, culture, and civilization.

Therefore, all state policy can be determined by schools. If schools are constantly under attack by "reforms and perestroikas" and "optimized," then we are witnessing the hidden destruction of a given society, state, culture, and civilization.

Showmanship, window dressing, and imitation have been the foundation of Russian government education policy from the early 2000s to the present. Plus, there's total Westernization and the imitation of Western schools. And without good schools, Russia has no future.The agony of school).

Personality education


At first, the school, based on the ancient and Christian tradition, emerging from the medieval monastery and universities, set the task of “educating the individual,” an individual turned to God, to ideals.

This same concept was adopted by the Soviet school system. Renowned American psychologist and educator Urie Bronfenbrenner, who for many years directed a large project on international comparisons of school education in different countries, wrote in his book "Two Worlds of Childhood: Children in the USA and the USSR":

The main difference between American and Soviet schools, in our opinion, is that the latter attaches great importance not only to subject teaching, but also to upbringing.

The "university" (or classical, academic) school strives at every level to provide a holistic set of principles of existence. To give a person an understanding of the principles of "what is good and what is bad." "To guide a person on the path." as noted by the best figures of Russian and Western culture in the 19th and 20th centuries.

“School has no more important task than to teach rigorous thinking, caution in judgment, and consistency in conclusions,” wrote the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche.

As they rudely but accurately point out on the internet these days: “In the USSR, they tried to make a man out of every moron; now, they try to make a moron out of every person.”


Man is a consumer


The new Western, bourgeois-capitalist society required a manipulated individual, a consumer-slave, shaped by a mosaic culture, where people possess only fragmented knowledge.

The university (classical) school was left only for the children of the eliteAs a result, there are two types of schools in the West: the mass school, for future consumers (slaves of the system) who have access only to fragments of complete knowledge. Moreover, this school is gradually, gradually becoming simpler; and the elite school, which provides a university education to future managers, bankers, governors, senators, and presidents.

Market (capitalist) society emerged in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries as a result of a series of reforms and revolutions. This society required large numbers of people (essentially slaves) to fill factories, mills, plants, and offices. This society required a school of "mosaic culture." In other words, people would receive specific, specialized knowledge (a piece of the mosaic) and be able to operate a machine, repair equipment, and so on.

This school didn't provide a coherent system of knowledge that would liberate and elevate people. It didn't provide a system of knowledge that would teach people to think freely and independently. It didn't provide methods that would allow people to obtain a full education through self-education (reading). Like Napoleon (originally an artilleryman) and Stalin (a seminary dropout, a future priest), who became specialists in a wide range of fields through self-education.

The Western mass school creates law-abiding citizens, workers, and consumers. To this end, a limited supply of knowledge is selected and pre-categorized for people. They create ideal slaves of the system, content with life and themselves, considering themselves fully educated.

Meanwhile, the elite are trained separately. Elite schools provide a fundamental classical university education. They nurture strong, self-respecting individuals, and foster a caste-based, corporate spirit.

The myth of the unified school


In the West, a myth was created about a single school and its stages offering equal opportunities to everyone. In reality, a product of the French Revolution with its slogans of liberty, equality, and fraternity, the school system in capitalist society offers only formal (legal) equality. The foundation lies in real opportunities: parents, clans, their connections, and capital.

School is unified and continuous only for those who complete it. This is a small segment of the population—the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia. The three-tiered, unified school system was originally a school for the bourgeoisie (the rich). Clearly, some changes and adjustments have occurred over time. Specifically, for the sake of a liberal society's facade, blacks were allowed into US schools, and then given quotas for further education. But they did not become part of the US elite. Athletes, actors, rappers, and other clowns and buffoons are not the elite, but its servants. And for the average person, a pretty picture has been created within pop culture (a surrogate for real culture).

The population is still divided into two unequal masses, which are sent to two different types of education: a long one, intended for an elite minority, and a short, abbreviated one – for the majority.

Hence the proposals of the Russian dignitary Vladimir Medinsky that necessary Reduce the length of school and higher education, as 11 years of study is an "unaffordable luxury," and begin career guidance and vocational training earlier. He argues that in a rapidly changing labor market, people will have to obtain multiple degrees throughout their lives, and traditional 5-6-year university programs will become a thing of the past.

This reduction and simplification of mass education is a fundamental characteristic of the Western (capitalist) school system. Plus the creation of elite lyceums, gymnasiums, universities, and so on.

Between 1985 and 1993, Soviet civilization collapsed. Russia became the informational, cultural, financial, and economic periphery of the West and the capitalist system. Consequently, schools, which still provided a classical, university-level education and produced outstanding individuals, were subjected to a permanent cycle of "perestroika-reforms," ​​"modernization-optimizations." And the teacher (the creator and maker) was reduced to the role of a penniless bureaucratic clerk.

The goal of Western reformers was to complete Russia's transition to a semi-colonial periphery of the "developed world." For Russia to preserve itself, its culture, and its civilization, it first and foremost needed to restore its national school system.

Everything else is imitation.
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  1. -11
    9 October 2025 04: 01
    Plus total Westernization, copying of the Western school.

    The Soviet education system is a carbon copy of that same "Western school" because there was no other.
    Blacks were admitted to US schools and then given quotas for further education. But they did not become part of the US elite.

    At this point, Barack Obama began to cry...
    Between 1985 and 1993, Soviet civilization was destroyed.

    And it was the graduates of the "Soviet education system" who destroyed it... And the graduates of the Russian imperial education system who created Soviet civilization. It turned out very strangely...
    1. 39+
      9 October 2025 04: 50
      Quote: Puncher
      Soviet education system this is a tracing paper from that very "Western school" because there was no other.

      What?

      The Soviet education system is a departure from the Western system.
      And there are more differences than similarities. And the differences are fundamental and qualitative.
      Ideology and the purpose of education. The Western system developed the individual, while the Soviet system developed collectivists and builders of communism.
      Soviet education was uniform, standardized, and centralized. The USSR created a rigid, unified system with uniform curricula for the entire country. Western education was highly variable.
      The education system in the USSR was widespread and accessible (unlike in the USSR), with an emphasis on the exact sciences.
      Soviet education initially used only the structural foundation of Western education. But the content and methods were different. It's like comparing the Christian and Muslim religions. The structure is similar (monotheism), but the religions are completely different.
      1. 10+
        9 October 2025 05: 26
        Therefore, all state policy can be determined by schools. If schools are constantly under attack by "reforms and perestroikas" and "optimized," then we are witnessing the hidden destruction of a given society, state, culture, and civilization.
        good
      2. -3
        9 October 2025 05: 57
        Quote: Stas157
        Soviet education was unified, standardized, and centralized. The USSR created a rigid, unified system with uniform curricula for the entire country.

        For the most part. But there have always been individual schools with "special interests" that somehow didn't fit into the "unification" category.
        Quote: Stas157
        The Soviet education system is a departure from the Western system.

        This is a European school with an ideological superstructure.
        Quote: Stas157
        But the content and methods were different.

        We studied mathematics, physics, geometry, drawing, and spelling in exactly the same way as in the West.
        1. -4
          9 October 2025 07: 17
          Quote: Puncher
          This is a European school with an ideological superstructure.

          Exactly!
          1. 11+
            9 October 2025 15: 46
            Samsonov deserves full credit! Excellent article. They might add that if we don't remember the Soviet past at all, if we don't become a socialist state, we will destroy both our economy and our state. The country is in a demographic crisis. The Soviet Union is dragging on almost as long as WWII. A liberal system that constantly plays into the hands of the West has no future.
            1. +4
              9 October 2025 17: 00
              Quote: Alexander Odintsov
              If we don't remember the Soviet past at all, we won't become a social state.

              Without a doubt. Any social experience is invaluable, especially experience as significant and meaningful as that of the USSR. It must be freed from both the excessive positives and the excessive negatives. We must examine both very clearly, embracing the positive and discarding the negative. But this is precisely what's not so easy. It's very difficult to overcome people's opinions, and sometimes it's impossible to overcome them for purely biological reasons.
          2. Aag
            +1
            12 October 2025 20: 05
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Puncher
            This is a European school with an ideological superstructure.

            Exactly!

            It is difficult to bring politics and ideology into physics, geometry, and mathematics.
            As it turns out, there may already be nuances with spelling...
            With history, economics, etc., in general, everything depends on the system. (((
        2. 18+
          9 October 2025 08: 13
          Quote: Puncher
          But there have always been separate schools "with a bias" that somehow did not fit into the "unification".

          In my opinion, they were perfectly suitable. Because the "advanced" subjects were taught not in a different format, but in an expanded version. That is, the children covered everything that students in regular schools learned, but also gained additional knowledge. This was a prerequisite for any "advanced" textbook.
          1. -1
            9 October 2025 08: 22
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            That is, the children went through everything that students in regular schools did, but they also received additional knowledge.

            Their curriculum was different. Moreover, I remember there were many experimental schools where the educational system was changed.
            1. Aag
              0
              12 October 2025 20: 06
              Quote: Puncher
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              That is, the children went through everything that students in regular schools did, but they also received additional knowledge.

              Their curriculum was different. Moreover, I remember there were many experimental schools where the educational system was changed.

              This arose after 1993.
        3. 13+
          9 October 2025 08: 42
          Quote: Puncher
          But there have always been separate schools "with a bias" that somehow did not fit into the "unification".
          Quote: Stas157

          In the 60s and 70s, our city had special English schools, math schools, schools with math and humanities classes, where the children of the elite studied, regardless of where they lived.

          The author writes:
          Russian official Vladimir Medinsky's proposals to shorten the length of school and higher education, as 11 years of education is an "unaffordable luxury," and to begin career guidance and vocational training earlier

          But in Soviet schools there were 10 years of study, and one school day a week (7-8 grades) we went to a special vocational center, where they taught us professions - for example, they trained us to be a sewing machine repairman.
          After the 8th grade, those who were unwilling and unable to study were forced into vocational schools by any means necessary.
          1. +5
            9 October 2025 18: 25
            That's true. I have a friend who finished 10th grade and still went to vocational school. He just wasn't cut out for more. He became a skilled toolmaker. He's still working, and there's no one to replace him.
          2. AMG
            0
            11 October 2025 11: 11
            So, in the 60s and 70s, only the children of the elite, or even the smart ones, attended special schools. Who was the elite in the regional centers, please enlighten me?
            1. -2
              11 October 2025 11: 24
              Quote from AMG
              So in the 60s and 70s, only the children of the elite or even the smart ones studied in special schools.

              Those children whose parents were able to make it, studied there.

              In our class, for example, about 50% of the class are Jews.
              Quote from AMG
              And who was the elite in the regional centers, enlighten me?

              Think about who has the money and power.
              1. AMG
                +3
                11 October 2025 11: 29
                Our parents didn't have to struggle, everyone had money, no one bragged about power, and we didn't have that kind of interest. So, you and I lived in different countries.
                1. 0
                  11 October 2025 11: 33
                  We had to, we boasted about power and money and used it, the interest rates were different.
                  And we lived in the USSR.
                  1. AMG
                    0
                    11 October 2025 12: 29
                    In some years? And are you bragging about it now?
                    1. 0
                      11 October 2025 17: 29
                      60-70s.
                      Quote from AMG
                      In what years?
                      1. AMG
                        +1
                        11 October 2025 20: 03
                        It was hard for you, I sympathize.
              2. 0
                10 November 2025 12: 46
                In our class, for example, about 50% of the class are Jews.

                I wonder where you lived?
          3. 0
            10 November 2025 12: 42
            In the 60s and 70s, our city had special English schools, math schools, schools with math and humanities classes, where the children of the elite studied, regardless of where they lived.

            Are you serious? So every city had a bunch of special schools attended by the children of the elite? How many elites were there, exactly? I lived in the capital of one of the former Soviet republics, and we definitely had five special schools with some specialization, with at least 500 students each, if not more. How could there be so many privileged people, even in the capital?
            There was a school not far from me with an English focus, there was just a competition for admission to the first grade and that was it.
            There were two elite schools, one with Russian as the language of instruction and the other with the national language. But this simply meant that the children of all sorts of bigwigs studied there alongside children from the local area. And even those from outside the area could get in, but again, there was a competitive process.
            1. +1
              10 November 2025 14: 12
              Quote: mister-red
              So, every city had a bunch of special schools attended by the children of the elite? Just how many elites were there?

              Elites in bulk—sovpartkhozgoskoopsportkultkhren aktiv plus shops, bases, etc.

              We had 5 schools that many people wanted to get into, but not everyone got in.
          4. 0
            10 November 2025 12: 44
            But in the Soviet school there were 10 years of study, and one school day a week (7-8 grade) they went to a special vocational center,

            You forgot to write that you studied 6 days a week.
        4. AAK
          0
          9 October 2025 23: 04
          In my opinion, there's not much of a difference. If we take the USSR, the main goal of education was to produce the so-called "average" student, when those who lagged behind or were unwilling to learn were "pulled out by the ears," and those who stood out were "brought into line."
          Regarding the so-called "elitism" of today's education and the "socialist democracy" of Soviet education, the USSR had far more "special schools" than it does today's lyceums and gymnasiums. And both today's lyceums and Soviet special schools for children of the party-economic and military-law enforcement elite are equally inaccessible to "outsiders."
          And the ideological pressure was truly troubling, with failure to belong to one of the three school ideological factions—Octoberism, Pioneers, and Komsomol—reflecting on student reports and creating problems down the road. Higher education in the USSR was generally overloaded with ideologies. Specifically, at university, we consistently studied (in lectures and seminars) the history of the CPSU, Marxist-Leninist philosophy, the political economy of capitalism and socialism, and the theory of scientific communism. Over five years of study, this useless subject matter consumed nearly two thousand academic hours, which could have been far more effectively spent on specialized subjects and student research. I even remember something like a declaration, "A Soviet specialist is...," which initially listed a dozen socio-ideological qualifications, and only at the end was it stated that a professionally competent specialist...
        5. AMG
          +3
          10 October 2025 11: 58
          And history, geography, literature, too, like in the West or not?
      3. 0
        9 October 2025 07: 16
        Quote: Stas157
        Where the structure is similar (monotheism),

        That's the most important thing! And a question, dear Stas: How many years did you work as a teacher in a Soviet school? And in a post-Soviet one?
      4. +4
        9 October 2025 11: 01
        Western countries also have very different education systems. For example, in France, the secondary education system is highly standardized and centralized. Even the school schedule is the same across the country.
    2. 11+
      9 October 2025 06: 43
      And it was the graduates of the "Soviet education system" who destroyed it... And the graduates of the Russian imperial education system who created Soviet civilization. It turned out very strangely...

      Well said.
      The question is why?
      1. 13+
        9 October 2025 06: 53
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        The question is why?

        Eduard, the answer to this question could cause a terrible "mess" between the "crust bakers" and the "Soviets," regardless of who gives the answer.
        1. +3
          9 October 2025 10: 57
          It's okay, the scoop will always be heavier than a loaf of bread. Yes
          1. -4
            9 October 2025 11: 00
            Quote from AdAstra
            It's okay, the scoop will always be heavier than a loaf of bread.

            Well, yes, it’s hard to argue with them, like with a “Seventh-day Adventist”...
        2. +5
          9 October 2025 19: 20
          Moreover, many of the "crust bakers" from the 90s, seeing that the market situation was changing, quickly became "Soviets".
      2. +1
        9 October 2025 11: 05
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        The question is why?

        Because:
        Pioneers of the 4th class "A"" 1st school of the Yaroslavl railway: ZOYA PUCHKOVA, LENYA AFENDINOV, LIDA SERGEEVA, LIDA KASHINA.

        The entire people of our great and powerful country demanded that the court exterminate the vile murderers, traitors, and spies. We, the Pioneers, demanded this too.
        And the court fulfilled the will of all our people and the best people of the whole world.
        When we read about the spy Rosengoltz carrying a piece of paper with a prayer in his pocket, stuck in a piece of bread, to save himself from exposure, we laughed heartily. In his banditry, this enemy called upon God for help!
        Now all this evil will be destroyed, and these scoundrels will be remembered only with disgust.

        Pioneer Truth 1938.
        And therefore:

        In the sparkle of lightning you became familiar to us
        Yezhov, sharp-eyed and clever commissar.
        Great Lenin wise word
        Raised for the battle of the hero Yezhov.
        Great Stalin's fiery call
        I heard with all my heart, with all the blood of Yezhov.
        And the people echo, gathering around:
        - Greetings to you, Stalin's devoted friend!
        And the enemy is wary, embittered and bitter.
        Listen: at night the villains crawl,
        Crawling along ravines, bear savages
        Nagans and bombs, cholera bacilli ...
        But you meet them, strong and severe
        Tested in the flame of the battle of Hedgehogs.
        The enemies of our lives, the enemies of millions
        The Trotskyist gangs of spies crawled towards us,
        Bukharinites, cunning snakes of swamps,
        Nationalists embittered rabble ..
        They rejoiced, carrying us fetters
        But the animals fell into the traps of Yezhov.
        Great Stalin's loyal friend
        Yezhov tore their betrayal circle.
        Disclosed snake enemy breed
        Through the eyes of Yezhov, through the eyes of the people.
        All poisonous hedgehogs snakes trapped
        And he smoked reptiles from holes and dens.

        You are a sword, drawn calmly and menacingly,
        The fire that scorched the snake nests
        You are a bullet for all scorpions and snakes,
        You are the eye of the country, clearer than a diamond.
        - Thank you, Yezhov, for raising the alarm,
        You are standing guard over the country and the leader!
        Pioneer Truth 1937
        1. 0
          10 November 2025 12: 52
          Every time there's a debate about the USSR, you immediately start referring to the 30s. The USSR's peak was the 70s and 80s, so that's the time you're writing about.
          I don't recall anything particularly ideological from my school days, other than "Free Luis Corvalan" and "Hands Off Vietnam." And you know, I still agree with that.
          P.S. I didn't catch "Freedom for Angela Davis"
          1. 0
            10 November 2025 13: 40
            Quote: mister-red
            The 70s and 80s, that's the time you're writing about.

            Thanks for the tip hi
            But many consider Stalin's times to be the heyday, and Khrushchev and later to be the decay. lol
            Quote: mister-red
            There's nothing particularly ideological about school time.

            What was NON-ideological, can you name it?
            1. 0
              12 November 2025 19: 51
              But many consider Stalin's times to be the heyday, and Khrushchev and later to be the decay.

              You can call it a dawn or a stagnation, it doesn't matter. The important thing is not to look back decades. The country developed and changed. What matters is where we've come from, not where we started. You'll remember sex as being like drinking a glass of water. There were plenty of silly schemes.
              If we're talking about the late USSR, that's roughly from the early 70s to 87-88. After that, it was a complete disaster.
              What was NON-ideological, can you name it?

              Almost the entire curriculum, except for history, dates back to the mid-19th century. There was some ideology in earlier periods (Stenka Razin as a liberator of the peasants, for example), but not much.
              And probably 19th-century literature, too. I still don't understand the reverence for the Decembrists in the USSR. They wanted to establish a bourgeois dictatorship, after all. They only wanted to overthrow the Tsar, and Pushkin was still on their side; I don't see any other reason.
              Otherwise, everything was fine.
    3. +1
      9 October 2025 07: 14
      Quote: Puncher
      And it was the graduates of the "Soviet education system" who destroyed it... And the graduates of the Russian imperial education system who created Soviet civilization. It turned out very strangely...

      Well said!
    4. 13+
      9 October 2025 08: 11
      Quote: Puncher
      And the Soviet civilization was created by graduates of the Russian imperial education system.

      Excellent students and outstanding figures of the Russian imperial education system...
      Quote: Puncher
      And it was destroyed by graduates of the "Soviet education system"...

      C and D students of the Soviet school of education, who did not know Russian and confused sine with cosine.
      Quote: Puncher
      It turned out very strange...

      There's nothing strange about the behavior and intentions of the thieving leadership. Creating an obedient, dumb, and cowardly population accustomed to following orders from above—that's what's strange about it...
      1. 11+
        9 October 2025 10: 22
        In 2011, Medvedev declared: "It's obvious that the total number of universities exceeds all reasonable limits," he said at a meeting of the Open Government. "Carthage must be destroyed. A significant portion of universities that don't meet modern criteria must be repurposed or closed."
        The comparison between Education and Carthage, with which Rome was in a state of permanent war, is striking. In other words, our government was at war with the education system!!! wassat sad
        1. 16+
          9 October 2025 11: 15
          Where did Medvedev go wrong? Not only did former institutes, without changing anything in their educational offerings, rebrand themselves as "universities," but a huge number of "paper" universities have sprung up, whose main purpose is to legally sell diplomas. A few rooms in a former dorm are now the "International Institute of Economics."
          1. +5
            9 October 2025 20: 37
            good +++He's wrong to lump all universities together. He shouldn't have compared them to Carthage, but like you did, you summarized the problem and its root cause in one sentence:
            Quote: Alexey RA
            A huge number of "paper" universities have emerged, whose main goal is the legal sale of diplomas.
            good
          2. Aag
            0
            12 October 2025 20: 37
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Where did Medvedev go wrong? Not only did former institutes, without changing anything in their educational offerings, rebrand themselves as "universities," but a huge number of "paper" universities have sprung up, whose main purpose is to legally sell diplomas. A few rooms in a former dorm are now the "International Institute of Economics."

            "...must be repurposed or closed...".
            Yes, you're right in many ways. If, with the right approach, without camaraderie, excesses, and hesitations... But that rarely happens with us. (((
            Don't be too hard on me, I've worked at an institute, an academy, and a university—it's all the same institution (after various certifications). Yeah, right—as a security guard!
            But, - even this was enough to understand what was happening (by the way, - the personnel of the security department were 30% former officers of the Armed Forces; 40% former employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, - the majority of whom were officers; the rest - the cronies, - a third of whom also graduated from universities...).
            So, the professors often stayed late on duty to discuss in detail "Where is the world heading?", "Who is to blame?", "What is to be done?"...
            By the way, after all the reforms and certifications, the leading university in Irkutsk (Narkhoz) still has the most... mimicry, opportunists... Even at the plumber level...
            1. +2
              13 October 2025 10: 13
              Quote: AAG
              Don't be too hard on me - I had the chance to work at an institute, an academy, a university - it's all the same university (after various certifications).

              Well... I entered the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute and graduated from the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University. smile
              1. Aag
                0
                13 October 2025 12: 33
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: AAG
                Don't be too hard on me - I had the chance to work at an institute, an academy, a university - it's all the same university (after various certifications).

                Well... I entered the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute and graduated from the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University. smile

                Agree, this is somewhat different.
                It's one thing when Leningrad becomes St. Petersburg (Sverdlovsk, - Yekaterinburg)...
                In the political aspect.
                The "re-certification" of universities in the 2000s was a different matter...
                drinks
                1. 0
                  14 October 2025 11: 00
                  Quote: AAG
                  It's one thing when Leningrad becomes St. Petersburg (Sverdlovsk, - Yekaterinburg)...
                  In the political aspect.
                  The "re-certification" of universities in the 2000s was a different matter...

                  drinks
                  So Polytech not only renamed, but also recertified - back in the early 90s:
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  acted to the Leningrad Polytechnic institute, graduated - from the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University

                  The only change in the program is one class a week on the basics of economics (the only useful thing) or some kind of chatter.
        2. +4
          9 October 2025 12: 06
          Quote: aybolyt678
          The comparison between Education and Carthage, with which Rome was in a state of permanent war, is striking. In other words, our government was at war with the education system!!!

          It's no surprise - Medvedev once started out as a teacher of Roman law:
          С In 1988, he taught civil and Roman law at the Faculty of Law of Leningrad State University., then St. Petersburg State University. The topic of his candidate's dissertation was "Problems of Implementing the Civil Legal Capacity of a State Enterprise," and he earned a PhD in Law (Leningrad, 1990). He is one of the authors of the three-volume textbook "Civil Law," edited by A. P. Sergeev and Yu. K. Tolstoy, writing four chapters for it (on state and municipal enterprises, credit and settlement obligations, transport law, and alimony obligations). The publication was awarded the prize as the best textbook by the Association of Law Schools of Russia. He stopped teaching in 1999 due to his move to Moscow.

          I don't know who our government hasn't fought. The most famous was the war against medical education, which resulted in a return to the Soviet system of personnel distribution and a shortage of 100,000 people in the healthcare system...
        3. +8
          9 October 2025 12: 33
          Quote: aybolyt678
          "It is obvious that the total number of universities exceeds all reasonable limits,

          How many technical universities and humanities colleges were there in the USSR? How many are there now?
          Since the 90s, Russia has been churning out lawyers and economists at a rapid pace, but the country suddenly realized it needed techies and engineers. That's the whole story.
    5. +9
      9 October 2025 08: 29
      Quote: Puncher
      It turned out very strange...

      It's much simpler. Industry dictates the demand for personnel. The USSR had at least the second-largest industrial base in the world, along with the scientific infrastructure supporting it. Accordingly, a system for training specialists was created to meet these demands. Modern Russia was created as a resource appendage of the West. Highly qualified personnel are not needed here, or at least not in homeopathic doses. Hence all the efforts to reduce the cost of education, since it places a heavy financial burden on the budget and does not yield a high-tech product.
    6. AMG
      0
      9 October 2025 11: 05
      You nailed it on time about Obama. And haven't you forgotten about the Ku Klux Klan? And about the graduates of the imperial education system, please, in more detail.
      1. +6
        9 October 2025 11: 27
        Quote from AMG
        And haven't you forgotten about the Ku Klux Klan?

        There is nothing to remember there, they merged long ago and turned into a laughing stock.
        Quote from AMG
        And please tell me more about the graduates of the imperial education system.

        Georgy Maksimilianovich Malenkov graduated from the classical gymnasium in Orenburg.
        Avraamy Pavlovich Zavenyagin graduated from the Skopin real school.
        1. +5
          9 October 2025 12: 14
          Even Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, who studied quite well at the gymnasium, and at government expense (and therefore was an excellent student).
        2. AMG
          0
          9 October 2025 20: 25
          We must remember everything. The cited list of graduates of the imperial system is somewhat limited, although other names can be found. But did their education contribute to the development of organizational skills? Recently, A. Gaidar was remembered for commanding a regiment at the age of 16. And are Trump and Baerbock educated men?
          1. 0
            10 October 2025 04: 38
            Quote from AMG
            The given circle of graduates of the imperial system is somehow narrow

            Oh, how... Like, "give me a list of names of all the millions of citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia who received an education?"
            Quote from AMG
            But did their education contribute to the development of organizational skills?

            You're getting sidetracked. The original thesis is: the USSR was created by citizens of the Russian Empire who had gone through the imperial education system. The USSR was destroyed by citizens of the USSR who had gone through the Soviet education system. If you disagree, please provide some arguments.
            1. AMG
              -1
              10 October 2025 11: 36
              So it turns out that worldview does not fundamentally depend on education?
              1. 0
                10 October 2025 11: 51
                Quote from AMG
                So it turns out that worldview does not fundamentally depend on education?

                A strange conclusion. Education influences worldview, but worldview develops independently of education; it can simply change with education.
                1. AMG
                  0
                  10 October 2025 12: 04
                  This isn't a conclusion, but a question. But you yourself write that worldview develops independently of education, but education can influence its change.
    7. +4
      9 October 2025 12: 20
      Quote: Puncher
      The Soviet education system is a carbon copy of that same "Western school" because there was no other.

      1. There were parish priests who taught faith (
      The Law of God: (the main subject that studies the foundations of the Christian faith)
      Church singing
      Church Slavonic (Old Bulgarian): (in two-grade schools)
      ) and what's left is what you need:
      Russian language
      Reading
      Letter (penmanship)
      Arithmetic
      History: (in two-grade schools)
      2. The higher education system is based on the German system. There's also an English system, but that's all. It's sort of ours now, but it's still partially German.
      3. In the USSR, school was our native Russian tradition, and there was nothing like it anywhere else in the world. Higher education, unlike in Germany, taught people to think. I didn't understand or study all that Party history, philosophy, and scientific communism, but today's higher education is nowhere near the level of the USSR.
      4. Pedagogy is now in favor, but in reality it is work that is detrimental to my country.
    8. +1
      9 October 2025 20: 35
      At this point, Barack Obama began to cry...

      Because he first attended a public school in Jakarta, and after his mother's death, he returned to her relatives in Honolulu, who enrolled him in a prestigious private school, which he graduated from.
    9. +2
      9 October 2025 21: 43
      Quote: Puncher

      The Soviet education system is a carbon copy of that same "Western school" because there was no other.

      Quote: Puncher

      And the Soviet civilization was created by graduates of the Russian imperial education system.

      Don’t you find that there is some inconsistency in these two statements of yours?
      Quote: Puncher
      And it was destroyed by graduates of the "Soviet education system"

      It doesn't matter what educational system the destroyers were educated under.
      They destroyed the Soviet education system not because it was bad, but because it was unsuited to the new socio-political order. The Soviet education system and the modern system have different goals. The author demonstrated this well in his article.
      1. -2
        10 October 2025 05: 00
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Don’t you find that there is some inconsistency in these two statements of yours?

        No. In the Russian Empire, the church was present in the education system. I can't say I like it. In the USSR, communist propaganda was present in the education system. You can't deny the fact that the teaching staff of the Russian Empire easily transitioned to the Soviet education system. They had some difficulties with the political aspect, but everything else was no different for them.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

        It doesn't matter what educational system the destroyers were educated under.

        So you just turn a blind eye to it? Is that more convenient?
        1. +1
          10 October 2025 20: 49
          Quote: Puncher
          In the USSR, communist propaganda was present in the education system.

          What did it consist of? An introduction to the "Moral Code of the Builder of Communism"? So it's a carbon copy of the "New Testament." What's wrong with that?
          Quote: Puncher
          deny the fact that the teaching staff of the Republic of Ingushetia easily transitioned to the Soviet education system.

          Just as the teaching staff of the Soviet school system has migrated to this one. And with pleasure. Because the teacher, not to be confused with the Soviet educator, isn't held accountable for students' academic performance. She gives them a topic and that's it. Whether the students understand it or not, she doesn't care. There's a textbook, there are parents, whoever wants to can figure it out, and tomorrow she'll assign the next topic. She doesn't have to keep underperformers after class and hammer home an incomprehensible concept, as was the case in the Soviet system. She even benefits from the students' misunderstanding—parents, of course, not all of them, will hire her as a tutor and pay her well. They'll pay her for poorly performing the job for which the state pays her.
          Quote: Puncher

          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          It doesn't matter what educational system the destroyers were educated under.
          So you just turn a blind eye to it? Is that more convenient?

          Following your logic, the tsarist autocracy was destroyed by people educated in the educational system of the Russian Empire.
          Are your eyes open or closed?
        2. 0
          15 October 2025 14: 14
          The Tsarist autocracy was destroyed by the Sharikovs, who had no formal education whatsoever, in the service of very intelligent and educated, but very un-Russian, Jews and Russians who had undergone ideological indoctrination in the West. In 21st-century terms, this would be something like Navalny's collective echo of Moscow plus migrants (the modern equivalent of the working class).
    10. +1
      15 October 2025 14: 12
      What's so strange about that? The Russian people fought for the empire for another five years, but neither the Russian people nor any other people fought for the Soviet Union, not even for a day or half a day. So draw your own conclusions about who truly loved which country, and where people were allowed to express their opinions, and where they were even taught not to think for themselves.
  2. 0
    9 October 2025 04: 07
    The article is copied from Soviet propaganda from the stagnation period. My two children graduated from American public schools, and they didn't become moral monsters or professional consumers. The eldest graduated with honors from college with an engineering degree, after which, without any outside help, she found a job at an S&P 100 company. The youngest is a student.
    Yes, of course, it's a school in a predominantly white town, where most of the students go on to higher education. Across the river, in a "majority minority" town, most drop out without graduating. And this despite the fact that the state spends much more per student there than in my town. And then there's Obama, who publicly admitted that a black boy has a higher chance of going to prison than to college. If Obama were white, he would have been immediately branded a racist for that.
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 05: 17
      Quote: Nagan
      I have two children who graduated from American public schools, and they did not become moral monsters or professional consumers.

      And what have you become? Cogs in the Western capitalist system (servants of capital), just like you? And that's why you're perfectly happy with it.

      I'm not trying to blame you. We're all currently living in the same capitalist system. And, of course, we all love our children.
      1. +4
        9 October 2025 05: 48
        Quote: Stas157
        And what did they become? Cogs in the Western capitalist system (servants of capital).

        Did Soviet school graduates become cogs in the Soviet system? If so, then they were somehow bad cogs, because in 1991, these cogs stopped holding the system together...
        1. +2
          9 October 2025 07: 12
          Quote: Puncher
          Did Soviet school graduates become cogs in the Soviet system? If so, then they were somehow bad cogs, because in 1991, these cogs stopped holding the system together...

          There's no need to harp on 91—it's a good year. What did you do in August 91? Did you walk around your neighborhood with a "Down with the CPSU" sign, or did you sit at home and wait for it to end? You never know what's going on in Moscow. And anyway, listen to our president; he's been doing it lately. Interesting I started talking about those times - I saw the light, you see lol
          Both Russian simpletons and former Soviet officials thought that now we were one civilizational family. And I thought so too. Now we'll embrace and live well as a family,
          - the head of state said.
          So, understand it as you wish: I.V. Stalin was a half-educated seminarian, with Western politicians of the first magnitude. defended all the interests of the USSR or Russia, as you like, after WWII, and retrained , some having two higher educations, they drove Russia... let's not talk about sad things.
          1. -1
            9 October 2025 07: 41
            Quote: Unknown
            So, understand it however you want: I.V. Stalin, a half-educated seminarian, defended all the interests of the USSR or Russia, as you like, together with top Western politicians after the Great Patriotic War, while those who over-educated themselves, some with two higher educations, drove Russia... let's not talk about the sad things.

            I feel like I need to continue the "Stalin on the Rostrum" series. Let him tell me what he stood up for and what he didn't, right?
            1. +7
              9 October 2025 09: 20
              Quote: kalibr
              I feel like I need to continue the "Stalin on the Rostrum" series. Let him tell me what he stood up for and what he didn't, right?

              Under what pretext will you continue this series? As usual, under the anti-Soviet pretext? He himself responded to Churchill's Fulton speech back then, and the answer is relevant today.
              Question. Can Mr. Churchill's speech be considered detrimental to the cause of peace and security?

              Answer. Of course, yes. In fact, Mr. Churchill now stands in the position of the arsonists of the war. And Mr. Churchill is not alone here - he has friends not only in England, but also in the United States of America.

              It should be noted that Mr. Churchill and his friends are strikingly reminiscent in this respect of Hitler and his friends. Hitler began the cause of unleashing war by proclaiming racial theory, declaring that only people who speak German represent a full-fledged nation. Mr. Churchill begins the process of unleashing war, too, with racial theory, arguing that only English-speaking nations are full-fledged nations, called upon to decide the destinies of the whole world. German racial theory led Hitler and his friends to the conclusion that the Germans, as the only fully-fledged nation, should dominate other nations. English racial theory leads Mr. Churchill and his friends to the conclusion that the English-speaking nations, as the only full-fledged, should dominate the rest of the nations of the world.

              In fact, Mr. Churchill and his friends in England and the United States present an ultimatum to nations that do not speak English: recognize our domination voluntarily, and then everything will be all right, otherwise war is inevitable.
              Secondly, we must not forget the following circumstance. The Germans made an invasion of the USSR through Finland, Poland, Romania, Hungary. The Germans could invade through these countries because in these countries there were then governments hostile to the Soviet Union. As a result of the German invasion, the Soviet Union irretrievably lost about seven million people to the German penal servitude in battles with the Germans, as well as thanks to the German occupation and the hijacking of the Soviet people. In other words, the Soviet Union was lost by people several times more than England and the United States of America combined. It is possible that in some places these colossal sacrifices of the Soviet people, which ensured the liberation of Europe from the Hitlerite yoke, are prone to oblivion. But the Soviet Union cannot forget about them. The question is, what can be surprising is that the Soviet Union, wishing to protect itself for the future, is trying to ensure that there are governments in these countries that are loyal to the Soviet Union? How can you, without going mad, qualify these peaceful aspirations of the Soviet Union as expansionist tendencies of our state?
              Anyone can find and read in full what he said there. Very What's different is what the president is saying now.
              1. -1
                9 October 2025 09: 30
                Quote: Unknown
                Quote: kalibr
                I feel like I need to continue the "Stalin on the Rostrum" series. Let him tell me what he stood up for and what he didn't, right?
                Anyone can find and read in full what he said there. Very What's different is what the president is saying now.

                What does Churchill's speech in Fulton have to do with this? It's about purely domestic matters. And why are you accusing me and... Stalin of anti-Sovietism? I merely quoted from his own speeches, with minimal commentary on my part.
                1. +5
                  9 October 2025 09: 39
                  Quote: kalibr
                  What does Churchill's speech in Fulton have to do with this? It's about purely domestic matters. And why are you accusing me and... Stalin of anti-Sovietism? I merely quoted from his own speeches, with minimal commentary on my part.

                  And besides, we are talking about the fact that What did Comrade Stalin do? for the USSR in foreign and domestic policy and only data, and not a free interpretation of his articles to suit the required time factor.
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2025 09: 40
                    Quote: Unknown
                    What Comrade Stalin did for the USSR in foreign and domestic policy and just the facts,

                    Or what he said about it!
                    1. 0
                      9 October 2025 09: 42
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Or what he said about it!

                      Said or done are different things.
                      1. 0
                        9 October 2025 09: 44
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Said or done are different things.

                        Are you serious? When applied to Comrade Stalin, this seems... a little funny. His words and actions usually matched each other. Or do you know of examples of the opposite, when he said one thing and did another?
                      2. +2
                        9 October 2025 09: 54
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Are you serious? When applied to Comrade Stalin, this seems... a little funny. His words and actions usually matched each other. Or do you know of examples of the opposite, when he said one thing and did another?

                        No, they are not known. Come on, give me examples of what Stalin did. to the detriment of the USSR , with which he left the country and the current state of affairs in the Russian Federation. Incidentally, according to a recent VTsIOM poll, 62% of Russians want monuments to Joseph Stalin erected in Russia. Another 65% told sociologists they oppose the erection of monuments to the crimes and mistakes of this politician. But it gets worse. Young people (18 to 24 years old) support Comrade Dzhugashvili the most. 77% of young people want Stalin to stand in Russian cities, despite the efforts of you and others like you.
                      3. 0
                        9 October 2025 10: 24
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Come on, give me examples of what Stalin did to the detriment of the USSR.

                        There will be more about this too. It's just important to understand that everything was done with good intentions and that there wasn't the necessary knowledge to understand what was good and what was bad.
                      4. +2
                        9 October 2025 11: 47
                        Quote: kalibr
                        There will be more about this too. It's just important to understand that everything was done with good intentions and that there wasn't the necessary knowledge to understand what was good and what was bad.

                        In a new case, always There's no way around trial and error. The end result is what matters. Building on Stalin's legacy still we exist.
                      5. -2
                        9 October 2025 11: 49
                        Quote: Unknown
                        In any new endeavor, trial and error are always necessary. The end result is what matters. We're still living on Stalin's foundation.

                        True. And yes, the result, 1991, is also significant. And Stalin's legacy, too, both positive and negative. It contains both, as it does in everything. It's the law of dialectics.
                      6. +4
                        9 October 2025 12: 10
                        Quote: kalibr
                        True. And yes, the result, 1991, is also significant. And Stalin's legacy, too, both positive and negative. It contains both, as it does in everything. It's the law of dialectics.

                        You seem to be reading between the lines about 91. I quote again
                        Putin stated that, as director of the FSB, he was shocked by the West's support for separatism and terrorist organizations in the North Caucasus, RIA Novosti reports.

                        "And when I tell them, 'What are you doing? Are you crazy?' We're supposed to be 'bourgeois,' as they say in that famous children's book. 'Give us a barrel of honey, a big spoon, and we'll slurp and eat it together,'" the president said.

                        He added that he was faced with a paradox: despite the end of the ideological confrontation, Western intelligence agencies continued to operate in the Transcaucasus and North Caucasus, supporting radicals, supplying them with money, weapons, information and political support, and transporting militants in their helicopters.
                        That's it, the topic is closed! "We wanted the best, but it turned out as usual." You, too, are one of those simpletons, propagandizing and advertising Western values. It was all very well to preach them, traveling abroad on the royalties I received. from the same partners, denigrating the Soviet past. But as expected, the fun is over. Welcome to vacation spots in the Russian Federation, and...for rubles. fellow
                      7. -2
                        9 October 2025 12: 25
                        Quote: Unknown
                        I propagate, advertising Western values.

                        Where did I advertise them? Lenin himself called for learning from capitalism... the good and rejecting the bad. Writing about the good is possible and necessary, just as it is about the bad. Both theirs and ours! A truthful depiction of reality is not advertising.
                      8. 0
                        9 October 2025 12: 38
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Where did I advertise them?

                        Everywhere, then I'll find where and when.
                      9. -2
                        9 October 2025 12: 44
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Everywhere, then I'll find where and when.

                        There are 80 pages of personal messages. It'll take some work. But don't confuse advertising with exposition. First, look up the definition of advertising on Wikipedia, and only then start "exposing."
                      10. +3
                        9 October 2025 22: 25
                        Quote: kalibr

                        Where did I advertise them? Lenin himself called for learning from capitalism... the good and rejecting it.

                        Well, there you go, you screwed up. You gave a quote that was distorted beyond recognition, tailoring it to your own vision.
                        "...learns from capitalism how to organize production..."
                        And nothing else, nothing good and nothing bad. tongue
                      11. +2
                        9 October 2025 22: 16
                        Quote: kalibr

                        True. And yes, the result, 1991, is also significant. And Stalin's legacy, too, both positive and negative. It contains both.

                        Why are you starting to calculate the "backlog" with Stalin? Let's start with Ivan Kalita. He, the parasite, is to blame for the events of 1991 and beyond. And Yermolov is to blame for both the first and second Chechen wars of the late 20th century. Right? It's dialectics! How could we do without it?
                      12. +1
                        9 October 2025 22: 08
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Everything was done with good intentions and there was no necessary knowledge to understand what was good and what was bad.

                        Do you have the knowledge to understand what's good and bad for Russia today? Could you perhaps advise Putin, Mishustin, and Volodin on how to make things better? Or is it only Stalin who was guilty of this misunderstanding?
                      13. +2
                        9 October 2025 11: 47
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Incidentally, according to a recent VTsIOM poll, 62% of Russians want monuments to Joseph Stalin erected in Russia. Another 65% told sociologists they oppose the erection of monuments to the crimes and mistakes of this politician. But the situation gets worse. Young people (aged 18 to 24) are the most supportive of Comrade Dzhugashvili.

                        But at the same time, the news story needs to be quoted in full. "At the same time, the question about personal involvement revealed a fairly high level of indifference: for example, 33% of Russians would show neither obvious positive nor negative emotions if a memorial to Stalin were placed on a neighboring building. 42% would perceive this fact positively, 21% negatively."
                      14. +2
                        9 October 2025 11: 54
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        But at the same time, the news story needs to be quoted in full. "At the same time, the question about personal involvement revealed a fairly high level of indifference: for example, 33% of Russians would show neither obvious positive nor negative emotions if a memorial to Stalin were placed on a neighboring building. 42% would perceive this fact positively, 21% negatively."

                        Indifferent, they were, are, and will be; there's no escape from them. They played a role in the collapse of the Soviet Union. Personally, you probably didn't care about the fate of Russians in the former republics, like they left for a better life, so they'll get what they deserve. You don't worry about Tambov or Pskov about crop failure.
                      15. +3
                        9 October 2025 12: 32
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Personally, you probably didn't care about the fate of Russians in the former republics, like they left for a good life, so they should get what they deserve.

                        If you're specifically interested in me, I was in elementary school and I really didn't care about the fates of people in the republics... but what did you do to change their fates? hi
                      16. +1
                        9 October 2025 12: 44
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        What did you do to change their fate?

                        And I was there then, on the border of the three Baltic republics, cleaning up illegal customs points installed by them on the borders of the Pskov region, Pytalovsky, Pechorsky districts.
                      17. 0
                        9 October 2025 12: 45
                        Quote: Unknown
                        removed illegal customs checkpoints they had installed on the borders of the Pskov region.

                        In that case, I have great respect and esteem for you, from the bottom of my heart. hi
                      18. 0
                        9 October 2025 17: 19
                        Quote: Unknown
                        And I was there then, on the border of the three Baltic republics, removing illegal customs checkpoints they had installed on the borders of the Pskov region, Pytalovsky, Pechorsky districts.

                        Try writing about it here on VO, telling us how it happened. After all, this is our history. And a small story is just as good as a big one!
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                      20. +1
                        9 October 2025 18: 56
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Try writing about it here on VO, how it happened. After all, this is our history. And a small story is no worse than a big one.

                        Well, I can’t really place punctuation marks properly, and I don’t have the same style as you, just one word: “birdhouse”... but there’s something to remember.
                      21. 0
                        9 October 2025 18: 57
                        Quote: Unknown
                        There is something to remember.

                        You can try it; it's not the gods who make the pots. I could help you edit the material and publish it only after your approval.
                      22. +1
                        9 October 2025 19: 15
                        That's true, of course... we're not gods, but you need skill, I'm not used to sticking my nose into things that... are beyond my capabilities. So, I didn't answer, I went to fix a turbocharger pump on a car, a 19 TDI, German. So, ours. Soviet diesel drivers, aged 70 years two hours We figured it out and did it! I went to the station, and there was no program on the computer, the car was old, etc., and then after half a liter and talk... bam, and everything was fine. good No...every job requires a specialist.
                      23. 0
                        9 October 2025 19: 23
                        Quote: Unknown
                        need a specialist

                        In practice, yes. But I'm not suggesting you write an article every day. Try writing one, write it the way you write comments - simply, as if you were telling your friends about it. I don't believe you've never told anyone anything. That means you've structured the information, highlighted the interesting parts. The same here... try it, nothing hurts to try. And no one is pushing you. You can write for a week or two. You'll find it interesting. The volume is 8-9 (10) thousand characters. There can be many or few photos, well, at least one, but horizontal. I'll polish the style for you. You give it the go-ahead. If you like it, I'll redo it... The topic is interesting, and there's nothing about it anywhere.
                      24. +2
                        9 October 2025 19: 25
                        I'll think about it, it's an interesting idea.
                      25. +2
                        9 October 2025 22: 28
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Russians in the former republics, like they left for a better life, so get your money's worth. It doesn't hurt.

                        Most of them were not going "for the good life" but rather in the right direction.
                2. +2
                  9 October 2025 21: 59
                  Quote: kalibr
                  I only gave quotes from his own speeches, with a minimum of comments on my part.

                  ...Torn out of context... and, with your "minimum comments", it is enough to, where necessary, slightly change the essence of the quote.
              2. +2
                9 October 2025 21: 54
                Quote: Unknown

                Under what pretext will you continue this series? As usual, under the anti-Soviet pretext?

                In such cases they say - they took the words right out of my mouth.
          2. -1
            9 October 2025 07: 42
            Quote: Unknown
            There's no need to harp on the fact that 91 was a good year.

            Head in the bushes?
            Quote: Unknown
            Stay at home, watching how it ends, you won’t understand what’s going on in Moscow.

            Exactly
            Quote: Unknown
            let's not talk about sad

            This does not deny the fact that the USSR collapsed because the cogs did not hold the system together.
            1. +4
              9 October 2025 09: 32
              Quote: Puncher
              Head in the bushes?

              Quote: Puncher
              This does not deny the fact that the USSR collapsed because the cogs did not hold the system together.

              In case you've forgotten, I can remind you that there was a referendum in March 91 (76,43%) voted to preserve the USSR. The people spoke out. Union to be! Who listened to the people back then? They wiped their asses, threw them in the trash, and now they don't like to remember them. If only there had been a State Emergency Committee. decisively and consistently , having said A, speak B, relying on results Despite the referendum and how everyone was dispersed in Tiananmen Square in China, the USSR is still alive and well.
              1. -2
                9 October 2025 09: 58
                Quote: Unknown
                Who listened to the people's opinion back then? They wiped their asses and threw them in the trash.

                And what did the people do? In 1918, there were people with weapons in hand who tried to restore the Russian Empire. Why weren't there anyone in 1992 who advocated for the restoration of the USSR?
                1. 0
                  9 October 2025 10: 04
                  Quote: Puncher
                  And what did the people do? In 1918, there were people with weapons in hand who tried to restore the Russian Empire. Why weren't there anyone in 1992 who advocated for the restoration of the USSR?

                  There is no need to speak forwhole People. The events in Transnistria in the Baltics, where Russian-speakers were able to unite and fight back against Nazis of all stripes. And the people expected such a dirty trick from the authorities.
                  1. 0
                    10 October 2025 21: 16
                    Quote: Unknown
                    in the Baltics, where Russian-speakers were able to unite and fight back against Nazis of all stripes

                    Unfortunately, they couldn't do it in the Baltics. sad
                2. +2
                  9 October 2025 22: 45
                  Quote: Puncher
                  Why weren't there any voices in favor of restoring the USSR in 1992?

                  Why weren't they found? They were. There's just objective reality, and then there are your, forgive me, stupid questions.
                  1. -2
                    10 October 2025 05: 04
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Why weren't they found? They were found.

                    If they were, then apparently in a parallel universe.
                    1. 0
                      10 October 2025 21: 11
                      Quote: Puncher

                      If they were, then apparently in a parallel universe.

                      You, apparently, haven't lived and continue to live in Russia. And I'm a participant in the movement to restore the USSR. But you weren't around, so it didn't work out.
                      1. 0
                        13 October 2025 20: 19
                        And did you drink with Banderites in Russia and listen to their stories of murders? Did you go to save the USSR after drinking Banderite beer, and with them?
            2. +4
              9 October 2025 11: 03
              It depends on the cogs. Most of the cogs held the system together where they were supposed to be, according to the "design"—smelting steel, growing grain, etc. And for the most part (excluding the outright slackers and parasites), they did it well, and there should be no complaints against them.
              1. 0
                9 October 2025 11: 29
                Quote from AdAstra
                Most of the cogs held the system where they were supposed to be according to the "scheme" - they smelted steel, grew grain, etc.

                The same thing happened after the collapse of the Russian Empire.
            3. +2
              9 October 2025 22: 40
              Quote: Puncher

              This does not deny the fact that the USSR collapsed because the cogs did not hold the system together.

              The well-known, hackneyed and primitive position is that the people are to blame.
              The system manager replaced the faulty screw with a good one, and therefore the system was indestructible.
              In our case, the system manager himself deliberately inserted faulty screws into the system, which led to its destruction.
              But
              1. 0
                10 October 2025 05: 03
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                The well-known, hackneyed and primitive position is that the people are to blame.
                The system manager replaced the faulty screw with a good one, and therefore the system was indestructible.

                This is your position - the people are not responsible for anything, they are silent observers, "those at the top will sort it out themselves, they know better."
                1. 0
                  10 October 2025 21: 05
                  Quote: Puncher
                  This is your position - the people are not responsible for anything,

                  How can the people respond if they have no leverage over the government? Gather for a protest rally? Well, try getting permission from the government to hold one. The people aren't silent; they're buzzing, but who's listening?
                  You agree that the government is bringing in hordes of migrants, which has led to an increase in crime, drug addiction, and other such delights. I think you disagree. So organize a protest rally. You're not a "silent observer." If you don't organize a rally, I'll accuse you of an anti-Russian immigration policy, because you are the people, their most prominent representative.
          3. 0
            9 October 2025 13: 16
            Here's the story: a man received a full secondary education, then a higher legal education, graduated from the KGB Higher School - and all with good grades and references.
            And after working in his specialty (intelligence, actually) for many years, he came to the conclusion that everything he was taught was crap... and he had to scrape it all off and quickly sell out to a hostile idea...
            And I implemented this hostile idea not out of fear, but out of conscience for many, many years...
            Have you seen the light? About what? About not being allowed to sit at the table with the bigwigs? And is it so hard to imagine that no one considers traitors equal? ​​And yet they, our leaders, betrayed the idea they had accepted, as they say, with their mother's milk...
            Isn't this a pure product of the education system?
            1. 0
              9 October 2025 22: 49
              Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
              .
              Isn't this a pure product of the education system?

              No. It's a product of upbringing.
              1. 0
                9 October 2025 23: 37
                I agree with this clarification...
                Upbringing provides the "what and how," that is, a worldview and moral principles, and then education provides the knowledge to do "what and how," that is, it provides the tools for implementing the values ​​​​instilled in oneself...
                Both were obtained on Soviet soil, and the result is anti-Soviet...
        2. 0
          9 October 2025 07: 16
          Speaking of cogs, the Russian Empire has also crumbled. And it's forbidden to talk about today. So you're browsing through articles from a perestroika-era newspaper.
          1. -5
            9 October 2025 07: 51
            Quote: Gardamir
            Speaking of cogs, the Russian Empire has also crumbled.

            The Russian Empire began to falter in February 1917, but by October of that same year, it began to be torn down. Those who tore it down found it extremely difficult, as too many screws were trying to hold it together. They had to tear them out, stripping the threads and lubricating them with blood. The lack of screws is certainly an indicator of the Russian Empire's resilience, but the USSR crumbled effortlessly, as the screws were either unscrewed or had rusted to dust.
            1. +4
              9 October 2025 07: 59
              Quote: Puncher
              The Russian Empire began to falter in February 1917, but by October of that same year, it began to be torn down. Those who tore it down found it extremely difficult, as too many screws were trying to hold it together. They had to tear them out, stripping the threads and lubricating them with blood. The lack of screws is certainly an indicator of the Russian Empire's resilience, but the USSR crumbled effortlessly, as the screws were either unscrewed or had rusted to dust.

              That's right, in 1917, there were those who stood up for the country and society that they were breaking and wanted to take away from them, and they started to fight, to give their lives, but in 1991, for some reason, there weren't any... and this, gentlemen/comrades, is simply a fact, even if it's unpleasant for you...
              1. 11+
                9 October 2025 08: 04
                You all know that in 1991 there were people for Soviet power. And how many defenders of the USSR did the bloody Yeltsin kill in 1993? Just because they don't talk about it now doesn't mean it didn't happen.
                1. -2
                  9 October 2025 08: 58
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  You all know that in 1991 there were people for the Soviet government.

                  And where were they, including you? At home, not on the barricades.
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And how many defenders of the USSR did bloody Yeltsin kill in 1993?

                  There was no USSR in 93, what's wrong with you?
                  1. +4
                    9 October 2025 10: 30
                    Oddly enough, the USSR may have disappeared from the political map, but if Yeltsin's opponents had won, it's unclear what our country would have been called. But Yeltsin, unlike the State Emergency Committee, didn't spare anyone.
                    1. +3
                      9 October 2025 11: 08
                      Rutskoy and Khasbulatov themselves contributed to the collapse of the USSR.
                2. -5
                  9 October 2025 09: 03
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And how many defenders of the USSR did bloody Yeltsin kill in 1993?

                  How much? More than during the Civil War of 1918-22?
                  1. +8
                    9 October 2025 10: 00
                    Quote: kalibr
                    How much? More than during the Civil War of 1918-22?

                    That's exactly it, if you take only Moscow and that's more than the cadets in the Kremlin. If we take the outskirts of the USSR, then the count will go to Millions of killed, died, lost their homes, expelled from their homes during interethnic conflicts. The last SVO, also from the collapse of the Union.
                    1. -1
                      9 October 2025 10: 29
                      Quote: Unknown
                      for millions killed

                      Isn't that too much? Usually, the liberals are blamed for the millions of victims. Here, the direction seems to have changed. But the numbers remain.
                      1. +1
                        9 October 2025 12: 16
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Isn't that too much? Usually, the liberals are blamed for the millions of victims. Here, the direction seems to have changed. But the numbers remain.

                        And what is wrong? All republics of the former USSR without exception, -- they proclaimed precisely -liberal valuesThat's why the count went into the millions.
                      2. -1
                        9 October 2025 12: 28
                        Quote: Unknown
                        That's why the count went into the millions.

                        Sure?
                      3. +1
                        9 October 2025 12: 48
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Sure?

                        Of course.
                      4. 0
                        9 October 2025 13: 03
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Sure?

                        Of course.

                        It's good that you're so confident, especially if that confidence stems from precise knowledge. But it would be even better if you wrote an article about this for us on VO based on your knowledge. It would be a very interesting read, and it would probably be no worse than the one we're discussing, if not more so.
                      5. +1
                        13 October 2025 21: 45
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Quote: Unknown
                        That's why the count went into the millions.
                        Sure?

                        Quote: kalibr

                        It's good that you're so confident, especially if that confidence stems from precise knowledge. But it would be even better if you wrote an article about this for us on VO based on your knowledge. It would be a very interesting read, and it would probably be no worse than the one we're discussing, if not more so.

                        Why all this empty talk? You understand perfectly well that the numbers of Slavs killed in Chechnya and the Middle East are classified information. So as not to incite tension, so to speak.
                        But you are itching to prove that "the count is NOT in the millions."
                        Like, it's only a hundred thousand, what millions? A hundred thousand is nothing, it's possible. That's what you imply in the subtext.
                    2. -2
                      9 October 2025 11: 19
                      Quote: Unknown
                      The last SVO, also from collapse Union.

                      From the CREATION of the union: who handed over, who allowed the bandits to hand over, Russian lands and Russian people to Novorossiya, to the so-called Ukrainian SSR that never existed, like disenfranchised cattle, like a sack of potatoes? The DKR and the OR chose Russia!
                      1. +2
                        9 October 2025 12: 36
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        From the CREATION of the union: who handed over, who allowed the bandits to hand over, Russian lands and Russian people to Novorossiya, to the so-called Ukrainian SSR that never existed, like disenfranchised cattle, like a sack of potatoes? The DKR and the OR chose Russia!

                        Shut up, you planted Cossack. I've seen through you a long time ago. You're spreading anti-Soviet propaganda, whether from Moldova or Kyiv. Girkin-Strelkov, for example, can be viewed in different ways, but he went to Transnistria to defend the USSR, while some, supposedly former Soviet Army officers, according to them, forgot their oath and holed up in Chisinau. And he's still talking about conscience. The USSR is a thorn in your side for you and those like you. And also, stay where you are; we'll figure it out without people like you. our Restore Russia.
                      2. -4
                        9 October 2025 13: 51
                        Quote: Unknown
                        Close the mitten

                        You've mixed up the times by 40 years. lol
                        Quote: Unknown
                        And also, stay where you are, we will figure out how to restore our Russia without people like you.

                        What relation do you have to Russia, you lover of the Ussrs?
                      3. 0
                        9 October 2025 17: 58
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You got the times mixed up by 40 years.

                        I didn't mix anything up.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        What relation do you have to Russia, you lover of the Ussrs?

                        Well, I live in the Bryansk region, in the city of Zhukovka, Lesnaya Street 2, apt. 33. But where the planted Cossack is, that's the question.
                      4. -2
                        9 October 2025 18: 37
                        Quote: Unknown
                        I didn't mix anything up.

                        Today there is FREEDOM of speech, 40 years ago they chewed on a mitten.
                        Quote: Unknown
                        And this is it, I live in the Bryansk region, Zhukovka city, Lesnaya street 2, apt. 33

                        Vlasov even lived in Moscow...
                      5. 0
                        9 October 2025 18: 50
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Vlasov even lived in Moscow.

                        The question is, where do you live? Then you'll be able to open your mouth.
                      6. -4
                        9 October 2025 18: 54
                        Quote: Unknown
                        The question is different

                        No, this one, the lover of the USSR
                      7. +1
                        9 October 2025 18: 57
                        They said close your mitten, Cossack.
                      8. -4
                        9 October 2025 19: 57
                        Quote: Unknown
                        It said close it

                        F.G. Ranevskaya: "I would like to see you. But I see you are from there!" Yes
                      9. +1
                        9 October 2025 12: 58
                        Who dispersed all the republics of the USSR, encouraging their secession, and within the union's borders, no less? During the dispersal, no one remembered the Russian territories under union control, nor the Russian people. They didn't lift a finger to bring them back, since they were itching to secede into a separate principality. And now they're blaming others for it.
                  2. +1
                    9 October 2025 10: 32
                    Who was counting us back then? They laid out a new cemetery before perestroika. It's already full. After all, the Chechen wars and the gang wars on the streets—it's all part of a civil war.
                3. +3
                  9 October 2025 10: 00
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And how many defenders of the USSR did bloody Yeltsin kill in 1993?

                  Not at all. In 1993, the murderers of the USSR divided power. Just as in 1918, the Bolsheviks decided to destroy the SR.
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2025 10: 35
                    Well, they would have divided things up in their offices, but people came out for both sides. And many died in those days, just like on the Kyiv Maidan in 2014.
                    1. +3
                      9 October 2025 10: 37
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Well, they would share in the offices

                      Heh... Why can't bandits settle things peacefully at a meeting, but instead start killing their "brothers in the trade"? There are many answers, but the main one is "why share when you can take it all."
            2. +4
              9 October 2025 08: 02
              You don't know anything about 1905? You have no idea what started in 1914. Out of nowhere, they were sitting around drinking tea and decided to overthrow the Tsar.
              1. +3
                9 October 2025 08: 07
                Quote: Gardamir
                You don't know anything about 1905? You have no idea what started in 1914. Out of nowhere, they were sitting around drinking tea and decided to overthrow the Tsar.

                Well, to be more precise, the Civil War began after the Tsar... he was no longer in power by that time... so it would be more correct to separate it from the October Revolution, after which everything happened...
              2. +6
                9 October 2025 08: 17
                Quote: Gardamir
                You don't know anything about 1905? You have no idea what started in 1914. Out of nowhere, they were sitting around drinking tea and decided to overthrow the Tsar.

                Let me repeat. The Russian Empire had many problems and was, in essence, a problematic state. The list of shortcomings is endless, and the demise of the Russian Empire was precisely due to this. BUT, despite this, there were so many defenders of the Russian Empire that turning the tide in their favor was extremely difficult, and the scales often tipped. Who stood up to defend the USSR in accordance with the oath they had sworn "to defend my Motherland – the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"? No one. Today, the perjurers are making excuses, claiming they didn't receive the order. Lord, what baseness... On December 8, 1991, the USSR was quartered live on television, and the perjurers, seeing that they had promised "to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing their blood or even their lives," decided "if it's dead, so be it," because they would not "suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the Soviet people," because they no longer exist.
                1. +3
                  9 October 2025 08: 23
                  Firstly, it's just propaganda. History has probably never seen a leadership lead a country to destruction. Besides, no one directly threatened the country. The legally elected president of the RSFSR signed a decree dissolving the CPSU, and the whole country rejoiced, as if the CPSU had led them to a firing squad. Then, the also legally elected president went to Viskuli. But even then, many didn't even bother. Because there were no obvious changes.
                  1. +2
                    9 October 2025 08: 30
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    First of all, it’s just propaganda.

                    So it's a fact, how can you deny it? Who stood up to defend the USSR after December 8, 1991? In 1918, there were people who took up arms and spoke out for the restoration of the defunct empire. No?
                    1. 0
                      9 October 2025 10: 28
                      But no one spoke out when Khrushchev handed over Crimea to Ukraine. And here, too, the leadership made the wisest decisions.
                      But in 1918, America, England, France, Japan, and the Australians and others who joined them supported one side against the other, just like now.
                      1. +2
                        9 October 2025 10: 33
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        But no one spoke out when Khrushchev handed over Crimea to Ukraine. And here, too, the leadership made the wisest decisions.
                        But in 1918, America, England, France, Japan, and the Australians and others who joined them supported one side against the other, just like now.

                        It's not entirely clear what this has to do with anything. There's the fact of the collapse of the Russian Empire and the reaction of its citizens, and the collapse of the USSR and the citizens' reaction to that fact. It's possible to compare the results.
                      2. -2
                        9 October 2025 10: 44
                        I don't understand. I've read your other comments. You're a smart man. But here you refuse to understand simple things. The processes were different, but they led to the same thing.
                        No one forced Gorbachev to sign the abdication. And after August, Yeltsin was perceived as the sole ruler of the USSR. But starting in September, all the remaining republics declared their sovereignty. Essentially, Viskuli cemented the fact that the Union no longer existed.
                        What happened there? First, Kolya signed an abdication, and everyone started seceding too: Finland, Poland, Ukraine, the Kokand Khanate. The Bolsheviks took power, but no civil war broke out. The Bolsheviks were fighting only Germany. But then the former allies intervened. They defended the country primarily from external aggression. Because besides the Germans, there were the Poles, the White Finns, and the Japanese.
                      3. +2
                        9 October 2025 10: 51
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        But here you don't want to understand simple things. The processes were different, but they led to the same thing.

                        You're simply repulsed by a simple thought and looking for excuses. You know history, right? How did the Kornilov rebellion begin? It was a reaction to February. And after the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly, things took off. What do the Allies have to do with it? Did they "zombify" the people, or were the "Denikinites" marching on Petrograd for money? Are you saying that if China had supported (I don't even know who!) some group of communists in 1993, they would have rebelled? Is that really true?
                      4. +2
                        9 October 2025 11: 26
                        Quote: Puncher
                        You know the story of how the Kornilov rebellion began, right? It was a reaction to February.

                        The Kornilov rebellion was Kerensky's attempt to get rid of the Soviets by using military circles. The attempt was a failure from the start, as both organizers didn't trust each other one iota. The end was somewhat predictable: Alexander Fyodorovich lost his nerve and committed political suicide in a particularly twisted form. First, he completely discredited himself in the eyes of the army by declaring his former comrade a rebel. And then, he effectively legitimized and armed the Red Guard—the armed forces of his main adversaries.

                        And yes, the "citizens' reaction" and "popular uprising" in relation to the Kornilov rebellion can be judged at least by the fact that the units marching on Petrograd were agitated and demoralized by the Soviets within 24 hours. This doesn't quite resemble people who consciously opposed February. wink
                      5. +1
                        9 October 2025 13: 29
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        But then the former allies intervened. They defended the country primarily from external aggression.

                        And were there many battles "with former allies"?
                      6. -1
                        9 October 2025 13: 50
                        The former allies were the Entente. They didn't fight the Reds specifically, but they did provide the Whites with weapons and money.
                      7. +2
                        9 October 2025 11: 13
                        So, in 1936, no one opposed the separation of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Karakalpakstan from the RSFSR. In the Byelorussian SSR in 1939, no one opposed the transfer of the newly created Vilnius Oblast to Lithuania. And so on and so forth. Although the creation of new union republics from parts of the RSFSR, the transfer of Karakalpakstan to Uzbekistan, and Crimea to Ukraine were nonetheless changes to the internal territorial divisions of a single state.
                2. BAI
                  +1
                  9 October 2025 11: 45
                  "To rise up in defense of my Motherland—the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?" No one. Today, the perjurers are making excuses, saying they didn't receive the order. Lord, what baseness...

                  Do you think the army should have fired on civilians, the majority of whom supported the collapse of the USSR?
                  To save the political corpse of the state, to destroy hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people?
                  And yet, you pose as a righteous man, while the army should be up to its ears in the blood of its own people?
                  1. +3
                    9 October 2025 14: 07
                    Quote: BAI
                    The army was supposed to shoot at the civilian population, the majority of which supported the collapse of the USSR?

                    1.Army -inalienable part of the people.

                    2. The majority did not support the breakup; the majority didn't give a damn.
                3. +2
                  9 October 2025 13: 28
                  In confirmation, a few words about that time...

                  We had to be very far from Moscow at that time. And the main question was: what kind of team would we have? Should we wring the necks of the "democrats" (and that would take several hours, without any exaggeration) or should we stay in our places and offices and let Moscow sort things out without us?
                  But no one gave the order, and people with a military education don’t play Makhnovshchina...
                  The result is known to all...

                  Let me remind you that in his memoirs, Yeltsin's chief of security wrote that everyone was ready to remove the alcoholic from power, but... no one was found ready to take responsibility and lead the country...

                  That's basically all you need to understand...

                  If there is no leader ready to take responsibility for the country, we will sit and puff, and the one who is more brazen will rule.
                  A curtain
                  1. +2
                    9 October 2025 14: 11
                    Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
                    I had to be very far from Moscow at that time. And the main question was: what kind of team would it be?

                    SA, 1988 question to the officer commander: "What's going on? Isn't it time to restore order?"
                    The answer is: “It’s none of our business, the higher-ups will sort it out, and you carry out your duties!”
                    1. +1
                      9 October 2025 14: 25
                      Not SA, but that's exactly it, almost verbatim...
            3. -1
              9 October 2025 11: 21
              Quote: Puncher
              The Russian Empire began to falter in February 1917, but in October of that same year they began to break it down, and those who broke it found it very difficult to do so because too many screws were trying to save the Russian Empire; they had to tear them out by cutting the threads and lubricating them with blood.

              Ahem... the problem is that many of the Whites' "cogs" fought not for the Empire, but simply against the Reds, pursuing their own interests. What kind of Empire could Ataman Krasnov, who, according to Imperial law, faced capital punishment for collaborating with the enemy during the war and separatism, fight for?
              So we can say that since Dudayev fought against Yeltsin in Chechnya, he was on behalf of the USSR.
              1. 0
                10 October 2025 04: 30
                Quote: Alexey RA
                a lot of "cogs" on the White side fought not for the Empire, but simply against the Reds

                Who's arguing? It was a real pie. Take Makhno, for example. But those were the imperialists so driven that they refused Poland's help because they considered it part of the empire and planned to take it back after victory, as idiotic as that may sound.
                1. +1
                  13 October 2025 10: 16
                  Quote: Puncher
                  But there were precisely those imperialists who were so driven that they refused help from Poland because they considered it part of the empire and planned to take it back after victory, no matter how idiotic that may sound.

                  I immediately remembered Yudenich, who was unable to reach an agreement with Mannerheim regarding the campaign against Petrograd because Carl Gustaf Emil offered to pay him with Russian territory.
            4. -1
              9 October 2025 23: 02
              Quote: Puncher

              The Russian Empire was shaken in February 1917, but in October of that year they began to break it down, and those who broke it had to do it.

              Okay, you have a system error. Let's try another way.
              Imagine if Stalin, with the same powers, had been the one toppling the Russian Empire instead of Nicholas II? Option 2: Instead of Gorby, Stalin again, would the USSR have collapsed?
              The bottom line is that if the bus driver is reasonable, passengers will get to their stop without a problem. If he's not, an accident is inevitable. And what do the passengers have to do with all this? I've used a simple example to show you how the system works: driver, bus, passengers. The driver is the king, the general secretary, the president. The bus is the state. The passengers are citizens of the state. The citizen-passengers ensure the bus runs smoothly with their labor, but the driver is in charge.
              1. 0
                10 October 2025 05: 08
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Imagine, instead of Nicholas II, Stalin, with the same powers

                We examine the public's reaction to changes in the social order. How do educated people, educated within the established system, react?
                That is, the question is not about the stability of power, but about the reaction to the collapse of the system of those whom this system has educated by instilling basic/specialized knowledge and images into their heads.
                1. 0
                  10 October 2025 21: 27
                  Quote: Puncher

                  We are considering the people's reaction to changes in the social system.

                  The people's reaction isn't to a change in the social order, but to a change in their very existence. Don't get your head in the clouds; come down to earth. The people need to feel that they live better today than yesterday and be confident that tomorrow they will live better than today. And the social order is of no concern to them. The intelligentsia, in this sense, isn't far removed from the people.
              2. 0
                14 October 2025 11: 08
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Imagine, instead of Nicholas II, Stalin, with the same powers

                And this was also among the stories about time travelers. smile
                Globally, little would have changed for the IVS - the snake pit of party comrades would have been replaced by the same viper's nest of the Family and the elite that had joined its members.
        3. +3
          9 October 2025 08: 58
          Quote: Puncher
          And did graduates of Soviet schools become cogs in the Soviet system?

          Do you see a problem with this? Personally, I see it as an advantage.

          Quote: Puncher
          some bad ones, because in 1991 these cogs stopped holding the system together...

          Nobody asked the screws.

          Or rather, they initially asked in a referendum about preserving the USSR, but then they did it their own way. Contrary to that very referendum. The cogs were deceived. No one said we were moving toward capitalism—they were doing perestroika (improving socialism). No one mentioned destroying the USSR—they were creating the CIS (a version of the USSR). And when capitalism suddenly arrived and the USSR was gone, it was already too late.
          1. -1
            9 October 2025 09: 06
            Quote: Stas157
            The screws were deceived.

            But with a Soviet education. "Ah, it's not hard to deceive me, I'm happy to be deceived!"
          2. +6
            9 October 2025 09: 13
            Quote: Stas157
            Nobody asked the screws.

            In 1918, no one consulted the cogs and disbanded the Constituent Assembly, forcing a certain path of development on the country. But some cogs believed their opinions were more important and spoke out against them.
            Quote: Stas157
            The cogs were deceived. No one said we were moving toward capitalism.

            In 1918, some of the cogs in the machine thought they were being cheated, but in 1991, no one did. So which education system is better?
            1. -1
              9 October 2025 23: 09
              Quote: Puncher

              In 1918, some of the cogs had the idea that they were being deceived, but in 1991, no one had the idea.

              It didn't arise, you say? Are you sure? Where does such certainty come from? From ignorance!
            2. 0
              13 October 2025 19: 40
              You see, Mom, I didn't write an article about the Banderites; I spent some time with them. They also served time and came back. They even treated me to beer, homemade, a wonderful drink. But I'm not talking about the beer. I'm talking about what one of the four said: "But they put us in jail for the right reason. We killed our own people, after all."
              Not in sports with this citizen, oh, he boasts that he drank with Banderovites and had warm conversations with them.
        4. 0
          9 October 2025 19: 37
          When I was writing an article about Banderites, I read the story of one of them. He served time, was released, came to Odessa, trained as a teacher, and became an English teacher. Many forget that teachers considered themselves intellectuals and, like other intellectuals, liked to keep their heads down. They consumed samizdat, Ogonyok magazine, and other publications. When schoolchildren talked about the heroic pioneers, the teacher would raptly examine a tattered foreign magazine, and it's no wonder they turned out so utterly useless.
          1. 0
            9 October 2025 23: 11
            Quote: Mother Teresa
            When I was writing an article about Banderites, I read the story of one of them. He served time, was released, and came to

            To draw far-reaching conclusions from one specific example. Mmm-hmm-yes.
            1. 0
              10 October 2025 20: 31
              Quote: Mother Teresa
              When I was writing an article about Banderites, I read the story of one of them. He served time, was released, and came to
              To draw far-reaching conclusions from one specific example. Mmm-hmm-yes.

              No information on the topic under discussion, too lazy to research the matter, no matter. The main thing is to put on a smart face like Kisa Vorobyaninov and loudly mumble.
              1. 0
                10 October 2025 21: 49
                Quote: Mother Teresa

                No information on the topic under discussion, too lazy to research the matter, no matter. The main thing is to put on a smart face like Kisa Vorobyaninov and loudly mumble.

                You see, Mom, I didn't write an article about the Banderites; I spent some time with them. They also served time and came back. They even treated me to beer, homemade, a wonderful drink. But I'm not talking about the beer. I'm talking about what one of the four said: "But they put us in jail for the right reason. We killed our own people, after all."
                So, what conclusion should we draw with our "smart" faces like Kisa Vorobyaninov's? That they all realized it? Or what?
                And I repeat - one should not draw far-reaching conclusions from one particular example.
                1. 0
                  13 October 2025 18: 58
                  Citizen, I'm not interested in your excuses. You've repeated the same stupidity, as expected.
                  1. 0
                    13 October 2025 19: 12
                    Quote: Mother Teresa
                    Citizen, I am not interested in your excuses.

                    What kind of intelligence do you need to have to decide that I'm making excuses?
                    Quote: Mother Teresa
                    They repeated the stupidity, as expected.

                    No, mother, it is you who continue to assert your stupidity - to draw broad conclusions from one narrow fact. laughing
                    1. 0
                      13 October 2025 19: 15
                      Citizen. Persistence is the only virtue of the stupid. And I'm not interested in your excuses.
                      1. 0
                        13 October 2025 19: 17
                        Quote: Mother Teresa
                        Citizen, I am not interested in your excuses.

                        Quote: Mother Teresa
                        And I'm not interested in your excuses.

                        Quote: Mother Teresa
                        Perseverance is the only virtue of fools.
                      2. 0
                        13 October 2025 20: 11
                        What an amazing display of intelligence, bragging about sitting at the same table with Banderovites, drinking with them, and listening to them talk about how they killed. I'll save it for history.
    2. +9
      9 October 2025 06: 46
      The article is copied from Soviet propaganda from the period of stagnation.

      Of course not.
      A kind of nostalgia.
      The problem is that it is impossible to return to that school in modern conditions, not at all.
      1. -1
        9 October 2025 13: 33
        I agree. The old system itself no longer exists. And recreating anything alien to the new, capitalist system from the Soviet archives is impossible.
        It's possible to build something different. Not modernize the enemy's, but build something different.
        But for this you need Fabergé... and brains...
    3. +4
      9 October 2025 06: 56
      Quote: Nagan
      I have two children who graduated from American public schools, and they did not become moral monsters or professional consumers.

      An immodest question: who do the children consider themselves to be, in spirit and mentality? Are they Russian or are they 100% American and already living like the Americans? And also, who will their grandchildren and great-grandchildren be? Regarding Soviet propaganda and the like, what bad things did they teach? A little son came to his father and asked, "What is good and what is bad?" So many years have passed, but the memory remains. So let's not talk about Soviet schools; of course, not everyone studied excellently, but they got the basics. You don't reach for the stars, so choose an educational institution based on your knowledge, calling, and taste: a university, a technical school, or a vocational school, in a pinch, or go to work and study at night school, where the requirements are simpler. Everyone had a choice.
      1. +6
        9 October 2025 07: 21
        Quote: Unknown
        Everyone had a choice.

        It still exists today: if your child "fits into the market," then choose between Oxford and Harvard; if you were born into a simpler family, then between Pyaterochka and VB...
      2. +2
        9 October 2025 07: 26
        Quote: Unknown
        Everyone had a choice.

        Even now, everyone has a choice. I know a family: the father is a driver, supposedly a businessman, delivering goods to shops in the villages. He drinks and gambles, and chases women. The wife... oh, she doesn't work, she just tolerates it. His mother cooks for the family, "the wife is busy" (what?). Two children: an older son, who didn't know until he was 14 that he couldn't put his own spoon in the shared salad at the table, and a girl. The house is utterly poor. Not from low earnings, no. But if you drink and gamble like that, no amount of money will be enough. The guy passed the math exam on the Unified State Exam the second time (and how he passed... after the cameras turned off - hee hee!). And just to give you an idea: now he's studying at a free college and even seems to have become more like a person. A girl in the 5th grade is in business: she buys various children's toys on Ali and resells them to children at school - saving up for an expensive iPhone. A real candidate for... I can't wait for that to happen!
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 10: 18
          Quote: kalibr
          Two children: the eldest son, who didn't know until he was 14 that you can't use your own spoon in the shared salad at the table

          But that's not necessary. You can be a history professor, act like Napoleon, know how to use a spoon, and... kill your student, mistress, or cohabitant, all rolled into one. dismember into pieces And try to drown him in the Neva. And then shed crocodile tears at the trial, like the devil made him do it. Chikatilo can rest easy.
          Quote: kalibr
          But if you keep drinking and gambling like this, no amount of money will be enough.
          Everyone drinks, it's not a crime, not everyone becomes an alcoholic. George Bernard Shaw said: "Alcohol is the anesthesia that allows you to undergo the operation called life." All teetotalers are such bores.
          1. 0
            9 October 2025 10: 36
            Quote: Unknown
            You can be a history professor, pretend to be Napoleon, know how to use a spoon, and then... kill your student, mistress, and partner, all rolled into one, dismember them, and try to drown them in the Neva. And then, at the trial, shed crocodile tears, like the devil made you do it. Chikatilo is resting.
            Quote: kalibr
            But if you keep drinking and gambling like this, no amount of money will be enough.
            Everyone drinks, it's not a crime, not everyone becomes an alcoholic. George Bernard Shaw said: "Alcohol is the anesthesia that allows you to undergo the operation called life." All teetotalers are such bores.

            Yes, you're right. There are always exceptions. And rules too.
        2. -1
          9 October 2025 13: 39
          the apotheosis of the modern system of education and upbringing...
          This is what we fought for
  3. +7
    9 October 2025 05: 09
    Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?

    The answer is simply indecent... the ruling class in Russia needs consumers, not creators.
    Those who ask unpleasant questions are superfluous to them...it is easier to control a meek, inert, obedient, illiterate mass of people using their primitive survival instincts...and unnecessary knowledge in people's heads interferes with this.
    1. +4
      9 October 2025 07: 24
      You're a strange man. Here you write about the ruling class, and yet you recently congratulated a representative of that class.
      1. 0
        9 October 2025 11: 09
        Well, who knows, as they say - the Ukrainian night is quiet, but the lard needs to be hidden, in the sense that it never hurts to lay down some straw. Yes
    2. -1
      9 October 2025 07: 31
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The ruling class in Russia needs consumers, not creators.

      Just ask how many of the best students are selected annually from schools across the country to study at Moscow's elite schools and universities. At Penza's 6th Gymnasium, which I know, at least two are selected every year... But, hey, who's supposed to clean out from under the cows?
  4. +3
    9 October 2025 05: 13
    Quote: Puncher
    The Soviet education system is a carbon copy of that same "Western school" because there was no other
    The Soviet education system is not a carbon copy of a Western school, but a carbon copy of Prussian school, where the harshest methods were used to hammer knowledge into students' heads, which were not available in "Western schools"
  5. +5
    9 October 2025 05: 30
    Quote: Schneeberg
    a tracing from the Prussian school, where the harshest methods were used to hammer knowledge into the students' heads,

    This is an incorrect statement... I went through all the stages of education in the Soviet education system... and in it, there was no such fundamentally disgraceful attitude of students and their parents towards teachers.
    I have never seen rudeness or swearing towards a teacher... underachievers were transferred to lower grades, and notorious hooligans were expelled from school.
    The concepts of good and evil were taught at school from the first grade.
    Children understood that stealing is bad, cheating is bad, offending the weak is bad...now this is not the case in their environment.
    1. +3
      9 October 2025 06: 37
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I have never seen rudeness or swearing towards a teacher...

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Children understood that stealing is bad, cheating is bad, and bullying the weak is bad...

      Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. There were people who would tell a teacher to go to hell, get up during class, and walk out. Smoking since you were 11? Easy. Fighting with your shop teacher? Easy. Breaking into the locker room and pickpocketing? A daily ritual... And NOTHING! Soviet schools couldn't do anything about them; they dragged them to 8th grade and then kicked them out with an incomplete high school diploma.
      1. +5
        9 October 2025 06: 51
        Quote: Puncher
        They dragged me to 8th grade and then kicked me out with an incomplete secondary education
        in vocational school.
        1. +4
          9 October 2025 06: 56
          Quote: Nagan
          in vocational school.

          And who should go straight to VTK?
      2. 0
        9 October 2025 23: 18
        Quote: Puncher
        Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

        And if you saw this, it doesn’t mean that it was the norm for Soviet schools.
    2. 0
      9 October 2025 07: 33
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I went through all stages of training in the Soviet education system.

      Me too. I'll have to write my memories of that time. It's interesting... By the way, in the village where I worked as a teacher from 1977 to 80, there was a girl who drank and smoked from the age of 11, and at 14, she hacked her stepfather to death with an axe, stabbing him in the head 15 times. A test revealed she had stage 2 syphilis. And the swearing... my children, who are Mordvins, constantly called me "daddy." I don't know what that word is, but they never dared to change it for me.
      1. +5
        9 October 2025 07: 59
        It's strange. I'm only just learning about it now. And I lived in the Soviet Union without any dirt.
        1. -1
          9 October 2025 11: 11
          So you know who always finds dirt and who always talks about the bathhouse.
        2. +1
          9 October 2025 23: 24
          Quote: Gardamir
          It's strange. I'm only just learning about it now. And I lived in the Soviet Union without any dirt.

          And you're not alone. This is common among anti-Sovietists: thieves, syphilis at 14, drunkenness from kindergarten onward, and other such delights.
          People say, "A pig will find dirt." But that doesn't mean there's dirt everywhere.
          1. 0
            13 October 2025 19: 58
            You see, Mom, I didn't write an article about the Banderites; I spent some time with them. They also served time and came back. They even treated me to beer, homemade, a wonderful drink. But I'm not talking about the beer. I'm talking about what one of the four said: "But they put us in jail for the right reason. We killed our own people, after all."
            Well, you are a sick specialist in the mud, since you drank with Banderovites and listened to their stories about murders.
            1. 0
              13 October 2025 21: 26
              Quote: Mother Teresa
              Well, you're a sick specialist in the mud.

              Just from this phrase, it's clear I'm communicating with someone who isn't entirely normal. So, allow me to take my leave. I wish you good health and enlightenment.
              1. 0
                14 October 2025 07: 26
                Today you've already downed Bandera's beer and listened to their stories about killing people. Now you can brag again.
    3. 0
      9 October 2025 07: 37
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The concepts of good and evil were taught at school from the first grade.

      Why was it necessary to give them at school if they should have been given IN THE FAMILY UNTIL 3 years old!
      1. +1
        9 October 2025 08: 47
        The legend is fresh—but hard to believe—that in families, and these days most of them are single-parent, they can explain what is good and what is evil. So, look around: today's youth is raised with the paradigm of "you're all snowflakes," forgetting to say that snowflakes melt. And most of us were raised, from kindergarten to school, with the paradigm of "you're all twigs of the same broom; each of you is easy to break, but all together, not so."
        1. -3
          9 October 2025 09: 10
          Quote: Evgeny Lyubchinov
          about what's in families

          So, families can't explain this? They can't, they don't want to, they don't know how? So what kind of families are these and who are they made up of? But... they're the children of those who studied in the USSR. So that means Soviet school didn't teach them this, huh?
          1. +1
            9 October 2025 09: 54
            You're missing a tiny detail: Soviet schools taught in an environment of universal equality (ideally), universal labor, and a common goal—to someday build a "bright future." And after graduating from Soviet schools, or while in grades 8 through 11, with the advent of supposed capitalism, it became difficult to reconcile what they taught with what was happening in the country. When the principle of "good is when I steal other people's women and cattle, evil is when they steal from me" began to apply. And, of course, "nothing personal, just business."
            And so, some were able, some wanted to convey to their children in the changed atmosphere all that was bright and good in the conditions of the new realities, but some (the majority, looking around) - cannot, do not want, do not know how.
            And the article's message is correct - the masses don't need an education (it's enough to be able to sign your name and press a button on a smartphone), but the "elite" and their minions will receive a "portfolio of knowledge," right?
      2. 0
        9 October 2025 23: 33
        Quote: kalibr

        Why was it necessary to give them at school if they should have been given IN THE FAMILY UNTIL 3 years old!

        Nonsense. Teaching children to recognize good and evil requires a lot of effort until they begin to think independently. Independent thinking doesn't mean being a good student. Independent thinking means connecting disparate facts into a logical chain, finding the missing links. Even a 15-year-old child can't do that.
  6. +5
    9 October 2025 05: 42
    The article sounds like something out of an episode of "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov." Both the host and the main speakers themselves happily studied or taught in the US, but now they're all chanting that it's time to restore Russia's national school system. The question is, which national school should we restore? The one under the Tsarist regime or the one under the Soviet regime? After all, Russia has never had a different experience. Well, under the Tsars, half of Russia's population was either illiterate or semi-literate, but under the Soviet regime, everyone was equally equal, and the children of a regional party secretary attended the same school as those of a turner or weaver. Can you imagine the children of Solovyov, Pugachikha, or Peskov attending the same school as the children of a tram driver or combine operator?
    So, if we're talking about restoring Russia's national school system, we need to decide which one—either the Tsarist or the Soviet era. Russia hasn't had any other experience when it comes to restoration. And there are two options. Either the children of the Solovyovs and Pugachovs go to university, while the illiterate children of the mechanic Petrov and the children of the weaver Ivanova become servants and lackeys, or even soldiers in the trenches; or everyone is equal, like in the USSR, and the Solovyovs' children sit at the same desk in the same school as the children of workers and peasants.
    1. +4
      9 October 2025 07: 20
      The word "national" has been catching my attention lately. What nationality will the school in Russia be like?
      1. +4
        9 October 2025 08: 25
        Quote: Gardamir
        What nationality will the school be in Russia?

        Definitely not Russian...When they decide to recreate it, the Russian population in the country will be minimal...
      2. 0
        9 October 2025 11: 14
        Soviet nationality is also acceptable. The main thing is that there are no Jewish pogroms. Yes
    2. 0
      9 October 2025 11: 12
      What do you mean, which one? The American national school system needs to be restored. laughing
  7. +1
    9 October 2025 06: 00
    Soviet schools taught us to think, but now we don't have to think, well, "whatever." Incidentally, I recently came across information that for the first time since the Renaissance, the current generation has less knowledge than the previous one. Sadly, we're declining. Sometimes it feels like we've passed the peak of development.
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 07: 48
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Incidentally, I recently came across information that for the first time since the Renaissance, the current generation has less knowledge than the previous one. Sadly, we're declining.

      Question: on average or in specifics? If in general, then yes, that's probably true. But if in specifics... I recently asked an 11th-grader at his graduation what he knew about Pareto's principle, thinking I'd pour my wisdom on him, and he gave it to me. Now he's got into the Higher School of Economics under the President of the Russian Federation based on the Unified State Exam... He got a place in the dorms... His parents are practically crying with joy for their son. And neither of them are rich: she's a clerk at a research institute, he's the head of one of its many departments.
      1. +2
        9 October 2025 08: 32
        Quote: kalibr
        I recently asked an 11th-grader at his graduation what he knew about Pareto's principle. I thought I'd pour the balm of my wisdom on him, and he gave it to me.

        Until this moment, I didn't know what it was. But I was familiar with the phenomenon itself... It happens. I ride a bicycle, but I don't know who invented it...
        Most likely, thanks to this law, we are not in danger of prosperity, no matter how much citizens want it and no matter how much politicians talk about it...
      2. +4
        9 October 2025 11: 31
        I tutored a girl in history a few years ago, and she got into Moscow State University without any problems. One guy got into MGIMO's master's program after graduating from our provincial university with a technical degree. He did, however, speak English well. Another guy, a winner of regional history and social science competitions, got into HSE. And he has the right nationality for HSE. And I can give many examples like this. I know of cases where even slackers, to put it mildly, get into Moscow universities on a state scholarship. And sometimes, smart kids who have the opportunity to study in Moscow or St. Petersburg, for whatever reason, decide to study at provincial universities. Incidentally, you can currently find, albeit in small numbers, students from Moscow and the Moscow region at provincial universities. I'll just correct you slightly. HSE is under the jurisdiction of the Russian Government, and RANEPA is under the President's authority.
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 11: 33
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Incidentally, at present, in provincial universities one can meet, albeit in small numbers, students from Moscow and the Moscow region.

          When I taught PR at our university, we had several students from Moscow: "It's cheaper, but the knowledge is just as good, if not better." And yes, we later won several PR Olympiads in St. Petersburg and Kazan.
      3. 0
        9 October 2025 17: 54
        I recently asked an 11th-grader at his graduation what he knew about the Pareto principle,
        .
        Pareto's law, Pareto's law. fellow
        Vyacheslav, you seem to have a fetish for it—you constantly quote it, often completely out of place. But have you ever considered that this rule of thumb, if followed blindly, usually leads to ruin? A prime example is the destruction of the Soviet school of education by Yeltsin's pro-Western young reformers, who were fans of this method.
        Why give all children the same standard school education if only 20% of them will be successful? Wouldn't it be better to focus solely on them? This is how numerous private "elite" schools with specialized focuses emerged. In some cases, this made sense. But then, as the saying goes, "Mitya's boots are gone," and the number of such institutions and colleges, where the best teachers were lured by salaries, became alarmingly high. The result? A horde of useless office managers, salespeople, advertisers, lawyers, and economists; a shortage of educated representatives of the blue-collar professions that in the USSR were provided by the now-defunct vocational schools, vocational schools, and technical colleges; social medicine, education, and agriculture, all on their last legs.
        In military affairs, this Pareto principle is simply harmful: when planning a combat mission, you can't limit preparation to just 20% of priority actions—it's vital to consider the remaining 80%, even if they're secondary. The situation changes quickly, and what's not particularly relevant now can change dramatically in an hour. It's better to be safe than sorry, as the saying goes. Otherwise, failure is inevitable. Balance is key.

        1. 0
          9 October 2025 18: 03
          Quote: Richard
          and often completely out of place.

          That's your opinion. Yours against mine. And why should I listen to you? Why should I listen to anyone at all when I have my own life experience and several theses on this topic, defended using extensive social research materials. My textbook on how to apply it in advertising, PR, and PR design won the award for best scientific book of the year in 2004. The competition was nationwide! So what are you talking about? Get something similar, and then... Moreover, everything you've written speaks for, not against, Pareto's principle. So take your time; think about it.
          1. 0
            9 October 2025 21: 34
            I can print you a whole suitcase of these papers on a color printer...oh, how arrogant you are...from some incomprehensible company...it's all nonsense
            1. 0
              10 October 2025 18: 12
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              From some incomprehensible company... it's all nonsense.

              You, Andrey, apparently do not work in higher education, so it is forgivable for you to write nonsense.
        2. +2
          9 October 2025 18: 04
          The Pareto principle is not universal. For example:

          It doesn't work in complex systems with interconnected elements—in military, medical, aviation, or manufacturing, where every detail is important, ignoring the "less significant" 80% can lead to catastrophic consequences.
          Doesn't work in innovation and research processes - in creative processes, 80% of experiments may seem useless, but they often lead to 20% of breakthrough solutions.
          It's completely inapplicable in conditions of uncertainty or where systems are chaotic—in such cases, the relationships between elements are so complex and unpredictable that identifying the key 20% becomes virtually impossible. And, in my opinion, it completely ignores the time factor—what's relevant and useful right now becomes completely irrelevant and unnecessary over time.
          1. +1
            9 October 2025 18: 15
            And why should I listen to you? Why should I listen to anyone at all when I have my own life experience and several theses on this topic,

            Well, if only because you're constantly uttering it. I'm not trying to lecture you or convince you of anything, I'm simply expressing my opinion. The Pareto Principle is by no means a panacea, Caliber. It's far from universal. A simple example:
            It doesn't work in complex systems with interconnected elements—in military affairs, medicine, aviation, or manufacturing, where every detail is crucial; ignoring the "less significant" 80% can lead to catastrophic consequences. It doesn't work in innovation and research processes—in creative processes, 80% of experiments may seem useless, but they often lead to the 20% of breakthrough solutions. It's completely inapplicable in conditions of uncertainty or where systems are chaotic—in such cases, the relationships between elements are so complex and unpredictable that identifying the key 20% becomes virtually impossible. And, in my opinion, it completely ignores the time factor—what's relevant and useful now becomes completely irrelevant and unnecessary over time.
            1. 0
              9 October 2025 19: 17
              Quote: Richard
              not necessary.

              Richard! I respect you and have great sympathy. But don't write me all this. Believe me, I know much better than you do about how it works and its all-encompassing nature. Bill Gates rose to prominence by using it in software development, Japan became one of the world's leading economies after applying it to the economy, and Taiwan followed suit. It's just that some understand how to use it, while others don't—they lack imagination and intelligence, that's all. But if you believe what you've written to me, then fine; I won't try to convince you otherwise. I write about it often (and will!) because there will always be those who find it useful.
  8. +1
    9 October 2025 06: 34
    School will remain a source of knowledge if it isn't surrounded by cultural sources. If films are purely entertaining, the results will be predictable. Ensuring children understand the world around them requires a significant investment. And being at the bottom of the hundred in education investments is unacceptable. Remember how many magazines were published for children and young men. And everyone found their calling in them. Or if not a calling, then a passion. Education abhors a vacuum. It is precisely this vacuum that destroys a person most of all.
    1. +1
      9 October 2025 09: 18
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Let's remember how many magazines were published for children and young men. And everyone found their calling in them.

      Go to your local children's library and see how many of these they publish now. Or should I go to mine and take a photo of them and the bunch of kids watching and reading them?
      1. +1
        9 October 2025 17: 10
        Quote: kalibr
        Or should I go to mine and take a photo of them and the bunch of kids watching and reading them?

        To the three... who gave minuses. Then I'll go and film it!
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 18: 49
          To the three... who gave minuses. Then I'll go and film it!

          Well, as you've probably already noticed, I don't give my counterparts any negative reviews. But I can object—it's not entirely fair to compare Penza, a large regional center, with, say, any ordinary rural settlement. When I was a child, there were three libraries in our village: an adult library—a branch of the Georgievsk Central City Library named after A.S. Pushkin, a children's library—a branch of the Georgievsk Youth Library, and a school library. Unfortunately, there's only one left—Lysogorsk Inter-Settlement Rural Library No. 9, on Shkolnaya Street. The collection isn't large. I know the girls in the neighborhood are enrolled in the library in the district town of Georgievsk. The selection there is much larger. But it's 25 miles away—it's not very convenient to swap books while riding a minibus. And by and large, kids now prefer to read books on smartphones.
          1. 0
            9 October 2025 18: 54
            Quote: Richard
            I don't put it.

            I didn't mean you specifically, not at all. But... besides your remote area, many VO readers live in big cities. Libraries... are nearby, unlike you. But going there and seeing everything would be a pain in the ass. It's just that people here tend to generalize beyond measure, that's what it is.
    2. +2
      9 October 2025 13: 36
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Let's remember how many magazines were published for children and young men.

      Pioneer magazine was my favorite)
      1. +2
        9 October 2025 15: 32
        It's a shame it hasn't been published since 2016. But "Bonfire" has survived.
  9. +4
    9 October 2025 07: 00
    [QuoteWhy did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?[a][/quote]
    Why just the school? They tore down everything Soviet, and it's worth noting that they built nothing new or effective.
    1. -4
      9 October 2025 07: 50
      Quote: Idle_piston
      They tore down everything Soviet, and it should be noted that they didn’t build anything new or effective.

      But young people are earning more and more.
      "According to the results of the first quarter of 2025, Zoomers' income increased by 17% compared to the same period in 2024. Millennials showed a 16% increase. Meanwhile, the average salary in Russia as a whole increased by 15,5% from January to March 2025," the study concluded.
      The average salary for millennials is almost 50% higher than that of Zoomers—98,700 rubles versus 72,500 rubles. Among millennials, the highest-income sector is the mineral extraction sector, where the average salary reaches 147,000 rubles. The next highest-income sectors are information and communications (138,000 rubles) and professional, scientific, and technical activities (117,000 rubles).
      Zoomers also demonstrate high wages in the mining sector (109 thousand rubles), construction (94 thousand rubles), transportation and storage (87 thousand rubles), and information and communications (88 thousand rubles).
      According to the study, a significant proportion of young people work in manufacturing (16%), trade (16% of millennials and 20% of Zoomers), and education (8%). Young professionals are actively involved in the development of key sectors of the country's economy.
      1. +4
        9 October 2025 08: 23
        This reminds me of Agnessa Ivanovna from the film "Courier" with her famous line: "We have wonderful youth, I watch TV all the time." The only problem is, the Motherland is mainly defended by the 45-plus generation.
      2. +4
        9 October 2025 08: 37
        Quote: kalibr
        But young people are earning more and more.

        Are they building (inventing) new financial pyramids? I, for one, couldn't care less about zoomers (who are they?), bloggers, and others who know how to "live happily ever after"...
        I am interested in creators...Creators of the material and spiritual...
        1. -4
          9 October 2025 09: 13
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Creators of the material and spiritual..

          Here they are, creating!
        2. +1
          9 October 2025 09: 42
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Zoomers (who are they?)

          Generation Z (also known as zoomers) is a term used worldwide for the generation of people born, according to various classifications, from approximately the mid-1990s to the early 2010s (lower boundaries of birth dates 1995-1997, upper boundaries 2009-2012)
      3. +3
        9 October 2025 10: 16
        It's strange, but I come across articles where zoomers don't want to work and can't find a job.
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 10: 33
          Quote: Gardamir
          It's strange, but I come across articles where zoomers don't want to work and can't find a job.

          You don't think I made this up, do you? There are probably both. All the Zoomers I know work. One... a classmate of my granddaughter's. He drank at school, his military grandson and the gym teacher used to drag him to class, and he was a troublemaker. After school, he couldn't get hired anywhere... But... he joined the army. There, they "set him straight." He came back, got married, and signed on to the fishing fleet... now he sends his wife a pretty decent amount of money.
          1. +2
            9 October 2025 10: 45
            Such people have existed at all times, regardless of the political system.
          2. +3
            9 October 2025 11: 34
            Well done. The main thing is that you don't send your wife all the money you earn. It would be better to put some of it in your own account.
      4. 0
        9 October 2025 21: 36
        Can you explain it in normal language? Without using all these zoomers, or whatever they're called... You can't find a young tractor driver... Work three months at a John Deere and then run off to the city to work as a courier... Not even at MTZ... Trade, but who will produce what needs to be sold?
    2. -2
      9 October 2025 09: 15
      Quote: Idle_piston
      that nothing new and effective was built.

      Why? There are some wonderful, beautiful houses in my city. And the number of them is simply astounding. They built the largest secondary school in the Volga region...with excellent equipment...very effective.
      1. +2
        9 October 2025 09: 20
        The most important thing is who these schools graduate from: young people who can make their own decisions or potential consumers?
        1. -3
          9 October 2025 09: 33
          Quote: Idle_piston
          young people who can make decisions independently

          And they don't consume? Do they feed on the Holy Spirit?
  10. -1
    9 October 2025 07: 06
    Firstly, the enemies of the USSR, who seized the republics of the USSR, proved that even the best education and upbringing were of no use to them, and with their highly paid “work” they ruined all industries compared to the Soviet period.
    Secondly, because of their evil, aggressive mentality, and plebeian, inadequately inflated self-esteem, like possessed people, they rushed - "Come on, destroy everything that the Soviets and communists have done, it's all bad, it's wrong, and we are so effective, we will do everything better."
    They ruined and destroyed everything Soviet, but they didn't create anything of their own that was better, or even more or less normal. And they only churn out office "Mitrofanushkas" for the "buy-and-sell" "business."
  11. 0
    9 October 2025 07: 13
    Back to school... But the question is, when was the last time those writing about it were there? How long have they been teaching and all that... Otherwise, it doesn't seem very serious.
    1. +3
      9 October 2025 08: 53
      Back to school... But the question is, when was the last time those writing about it were there? How long have they been teaching and all that... Otherwise, it doesn't seem very serious.

      What's more, there are more and more people in the "education department" who have never worked in a school—like, "effective managers don't need that." So they issue orders to teachers that are just a matter of form. And the more time passes, the more problems there become.
    2. 0
      9 October 2025 21: 38
      When was the last time you taught in a high school?
  12. +3
    9 October 2025 07: 54
    Because the government, starting with Gorbachev, can only destroy.
    The only exception is that you can sell it or make money from it.
  13. +6
    9 October 2025 08: 25
    Why haven't the names of the perpetrators been given?
    1. Fursenko - "We Need a Qualified Consumer"
    2. Gref: "You can't give people knowledge – they won't be able to be controlled."
    3. Kravtsov and Muzaev - conducting experiments on children and "fighting challenges", possibly with parents ringing all the alarm bells.

    And think about paragraph 1 of clause 5 of Article 108 of Federal Law No. 273-FZ "On Education"
    1) special (corrective) educational institutions for students and pupils with limited health opportunities should be renamed to general education organizations;
    As you know, we have either a state budgetary educational institution or a municipal budgetary educational institution.
    This is precisely why the application for the OGE and USE (an experiment to assess the compliance of programs with the Federal State Educational Standard, not education) contains a clause stating, "I request that conditions be created for passing the OGE that take into account the state of health, the characteristics of psychophysical development, confirmed by: ....
  14. +2
    9 October 2025 08: 59
    And Samsonov... a lot of words without statistics about something that is already clear.

    Not interested.
    There were some essays back in the day about how education was run by relatives of financial moguls. And they ordered textbooks and other stuff from "their own." But... you have to look up the full name... it's easier to just guess.
  15. +2
    9 October 2025 09: 07
    A coup d'état, a change in the social system and the restoration of capitalism inevitably lead to a change in ideology, economic model and everything that was before.
  16. -1
    9 October 2025 09: 11
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Most likely, thanks to this law, we are not in danger of prosperity, no matter how much citizens want it and no matter how much politicians talk about it...

    How correctly you understand everything!
  17. 0
    9 October 2025 09: 22
    Quote: kalibr
    A direct candidate for... I can't wait for it to happen!

    What's the benefit to you?
    1. -2
      9 October 2025 09: 35
      Quote: LuZappa
      What's the benefit to you?

      It's also a pleasure to foresee. I'll say, "I told you so!" And then it's nice to see how He punishes people for their stupidity, greed, and selfishness.
      1. 0
        9 October 2025 09: 38
        I take it you believe in God? For a Christian, that's supposed to be a sin...
        1. -2
          9 October 2025 09: 39
          Quote: LuZappa
          I take it you believe in God? For a Christian, that's supposed to be a sin...

          No, believe it, no... But... something like that definitely exists: Karma, fate...
          1. +1
            9 October 2025 09: 43
            Well then, excuse me, the motivation is clear. It's just that He, with a capital H, confused me.
          2. +3
            9 October 2025 09: 52
            The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

            Quote: kalibr
            No, believe it, no... But... there is definitely something like that

            There is one God, but a myriad of religions. Don't confuse one with the other. Don't confuse God with the black magicians who claim to speak on His behalf...
  18. +4
    9 October 2025 09: 27
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    Knowledge is given to the people as needed to solve problems solved by the authorities.

    As an example.
    Tsarist Russia supplied the West with food. 85% of Russia's population were peasants. Three years of church-based education were sufficient for them.
    - USSR - industrialization, everyone to school (We are not slaves, and we are not slaves). Highly qualified personnel are needed to solve problems, and these personnel were created.
    The Russian Federation is a raw materials appendage of the West (a gas station). The corresponding education is the Unified State Exam...

    What to do?
    Stop constantly electing the same parties to the Legislative Assembly, parties that have been there for decades, unwilling to change anything, and unwilling to work in the interests of the people and the country. For example:

    Constitution. Section 75

    "Clause 1. The monetary unit in the Russian Federation is the ruble. Money emission is carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. The introduction and issue of other money in the Russian Federation is not allowed.

    p.2. Protection and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it carries out its activities independently of other government bodies."

    This article is not included in the Constitution's sacrosanct chapters—1, 2, and 9. Deputies could, with a constitutional majority (which United Russia has), remove this article from the Constitution. However, they are satisfied with it...
    1. +1
      9 October 2025 15: 11
      Quote: Boris55
      What to do?
      Stop choosing all the time

      Do you believe that someone else is choosing something there?
  19. 0
    9 October 2025 09: 27
    Quote: Puncher
    Soviet schools couldn't do anything with them; they dragged them up to 8th grade and then kicked them out without completing high school.

    And sometimes they even dragged them up to 10, and handed them a certificate. Even to the mentally retarded...
    1. -1
      9 October 2025 09: 43
      Quote: LuZappa
      And they issued a certificate. Even to the mentally retarded...

      You will be surprised, but mentally retarded people at the stage of mild and moderate debility are able to master a simplified program, but only in specialized schools.
      1. +4
        9 October 2025 10: 31
        I'm not surprised. I shared a desk with him until I graduated from school. Regular school. The class teacher assigned him to sit with me so I could solve tests. He was basically harmless and kind. He died of alcoholism, though...
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 11: 43
          There were also rare cases in the late Soviet period when children who weren't wanted were sent to special schools, but they later grew up to be perfectly normal people. I know some who even became farmers.
          1. +2
            9 October 2025 12: 01
            My school years can hardly be called "late Soviet": 1969-1979...
      2. +2
        9 October 2025 11: 40
        Experts claim that some people with mild mental retardation (though this term is now considered inappropriate) can even run small businesses and earn money on their own. Some of these individuals are quite cunning.
  20. +1
    9 October 2025 09: 51
    In Russia, there's a pedagogical movement called "Russian Classical School," which teaches using old Soviet textbooks and is offered in extracurricular educational institutions. It even has its own website.
  21. +3
    9 October 2025 10: 03
    It's impossible to put everyone through higher education. Firstly, there won't be enough resources, and secondly, there won't be enough brains. Try teaching philosophy properly to the average Russian citizen and see how it goes. And without philosophy, it's impossible to move forward; it's the foundation of university education.
    At school, I was taught how to solve quadratic equations like ax2 + bx + c = 0. I never found it useful in real life, although I had to remember it later in my education.
    Oddly enough, but from what I was taught at MAI, in practice I most often have to remember terver.
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 15: 14
      Quote: Not the fighter
      It is impossible to put everyone through higher education.

      That's not necessary. You need a solid foundation to which you can add any configuration of additional education. Until recently, this was possible in Germany. Now, no longer. In Japan, it's possible. Here, it's possible, but at an exorbitant cost.
      For example, if a person hasn't completed a course in logic, there's no point in him holding a lot of positions.
      If you attended evening school, not remotely, or passed some exam or interview, you're welcome. It's just that this door should be accessible. In the USSR, it wasn't uncommon for people to complete their education for the sake of a career, and this is also true internationally.
  22. +1
    9 October 2025 10: 05
    Revitalizing the Soviet education system is fundamentally impossible. To do so, we need to change society. Let's be honest: the liberal education system in our country has failed, and over the past 20 years, Russian society has inexorably deteriorated. But education officials fundamentally refuse to see the Titanic called the Russian school sinking, and they pretend everything is fine. Currently, Russian schools have two main enemies: education officials and parents. School administration and teachers are practically helpless against both. It's rare to find a principal in our school who can stand up to this pressure and defend the ordinary teaching staff. The authorities also demonstrate their complete hostility toward education workers—the prosecutor's office and the courts—will never side with teachers. (The most recent egregious case was the demonstrative deprivation of a young physics teacher's professional license at a Sverdlovsk school and the 120,000 ruble fine imposed on him, which he must pay to the student for the moral and emotional suffering he caused.) The conclusion is this: If the country needs educated and cultured people, it must exclude parents from the upbringing process after the age of seven. This is the only way, and not the way it's described in the science fiction novels of Soviet writers. Modern parents fuss over their children from the first grade, making sure they don't overwork themselves and have more time to stare at their phones. And under no circumstances should they even raise their voices or scold them for laziness—complaints and threats follow immediately. And what emerges after a few years are slackers and parasites. Personally, I'm terrified of what kind of specialists, for example, will emerge from medical schools that wrote all their tests using Google. And will also perform operations using Google. Schools must be isolated from parents. School management doesn't require departments and committees with their daily "creative" ideas and requests, training sessions, and seminars. All we need are economic departments to allocate funds and the Educational Supervision Authority to oversee the implementation of educational programs. Only then is there a chance of improvement.
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 16: 03
      Quote: Prometey
      It is necessary to exclude parents from the upbringing process after 7 years.

      is it really necessary?
      What's needed here is the omnipresent pressure of society on behavior. Why interfere with families?
      1. 0
        9 October 2025 20: 17
        It is necessary to exclude parents from the upbringing process after 7 years.
        The most interesting thing is that many rainbow liberals fully support this and are making every effort to achieve it.
        1. -2
          10 October 2025 04: 34
          I don't know what some liberals are advocating for, but 50% of Russia's population are complete scum who are better off never having children. How can a school educate a child whose parents drink, swear, and are demonstrably rude in public? In that case, they should go to elementary school, teach them how to read and write, and then send them off to distance learning. If anyone wants to, let them continue their education; if not, why torture themselves and the teachers? Besides, scum parents are better versed in education and upbringing than teachers.
          1. 0
            10 October 2025 08: 38
            Quote: Prometey
            How can a school educate a child whose parents drink and swear?

            Everyone needs to be educated. Suddenly, in the USSR, this wasn't just done in schools, and alcoholics were brainwashed everywhere—at work, in stores, at the police station—everywhere. And they tried to politely control children's upbringing at home (usually poorly, but something did happen).
          2. 0
            10 October 2025 20: 35
            I don't know what some liberals are advocating for there,

            I'm glad I enlightened you on this issue. All the teachers I speak with unanimously say, "We teach, not educate." A colleague at work, after a divorce, wanted to enroll his son in the Suvorov Military School, but they didn't accept him, saying they don't want problem children. There's another example of parentless upbringing and education: orphanages for people no longer adapted to life—it's hard to imagine what comes out of them.
            1. -1
              11 October 2025 17: 52
              Quote: Mother Teresa
              All the teachers I talk to unanimously yell, "We teach, not educate."

              How much is "everything"? Typically, when they say "everything," it's actually two or three. And ask yourself what most of your homeroom teachers' time is spent on? Educating children and their parents. And again, teachers in the current climate can't fully educate children due to the hostile attitude of rabble-rousing parents. As for the Suvorov Military School, it's been that way for a long time: access to military academies is closed to students who have had academic or behavioral problems at school, especially if they were registered with the Juvenile Affairs Department. Which is generally correct—the Armed Forces don't need thug officers.
              1. 0
                13 October 2025 19: 03
                As for the Suvorov Military School, it's been that way for a long time now. Access to military academies is closed to students who have had academic or behavioral problems at school, especially if they were registered with the Juvenile Affairs Department. Which is generally correct—the Armed Forces don't need scumbag officers.
                Now read it again. A colleague at work, after a divorce, wanted to enroll his son in the Suvorov Military School, but they didn't accept him, saying they didn't want problem children. Is that clear? I speak with five teachers regularly; tell me the size of your teacher circle. Teachers don't want to educate; they're not educators; they're teachers.
  23. +2
    9 October 2025 10: 53
    "At first, the school, based on the ancient and Christian tradition, emerging from the medieval monastery and universities, set the task of "educating the individual," an individual turned to God, to ideals.

    The same concept was adopted by the Soviet school."
    To which "God" did Soviet schools train individuals to turn? To Zeus, Svarog, or Lord Yama, eh, Author? laughing
  24. BAI
    +3
    9 October 2025 11: 26
    In particular, for the sake of a liberal society's veneer, blacks were admitted to US schools and then given quotas for further education. But they did not become part of the US elite.

    Do Obama and former US Secretary of Defense Collins know about this?
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 11: 55
      Quote: BAI
      Do Obama and former US Secretary of Defense Collins know about this?

      Well, the man forgot about them, so why did you suddenly hit your face on the table... That's not good!
  25. 0
    9 October 2025 11: 59
    Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?

    Why do they destroy a person's immunity when treating Covid?
    and how many survived among those who had above average immunity?
    and how many of those had low immunity?
  26. 0
    9 October 2025 14: 10
    Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?

    In fact, it wasn't even broken long before the collapse of the USSR itself. We shouldn't forget all the Soros-related stuff in schools in the 90s.
  27. +2
    9 October 2025 15: 09
    This is the source of the proposals of the Russian official Vladimir Medinsky that the duration of school and higher education should be shortened, since 11 years of education

    Author, I agree with Medinsky here - 11 years is too much.
    If we strip the school curriculum of all its nonsense, propaganda, and ineffective ways, 10 classes would be more than enough; we could even squeeze it further and reduce the number of hours per week. But what's missing in school is teaching people how to behave in society and other subjects that are essential for shaping their personality and behavior. For example, logic, rhetoric, traffic safety, health and a healthy lifestyle. I'm against the mandatory study of two foreign languages. Only voluntary, elective courses. I also believe that at least 5% of the school curriculum should be determined by parents or children from a list filled with meaningful garbage, and not by the Ministry of Education somewhere beyond the Moscow Ring Road deciding what's needed. What they'll choose is another matter. I don't know, maybe lessons in dancing, singing, reindeer skinning, or fishing. Anything.
    1. -1
      9 October 2025 17: 02
      Quote: multicaat
      then 10 classes will be more than enough,

      My granddaughter dropped out of school after 9th grade. She's already graduated from two colleges, earned two degrees, and even managed to work after one. She got married... She's learned and mastered a lot. She thinks spending an extra two years in school would be stupid.
    2. 0
      9 October 2025 17: 05
      Quote: multicaat
      But schools lack something else: teaching people how to behave in society and other subjects essential for developing personality and behavior. For example, logic, rhetoric, traffic safety, and health and lifestyle skills.

      I fully support you !!!
  28. -1
    9 October 2025 15: 24
    They broke it because the education system didn't fit the structure of Russian society. They taught the wrong people and didn't teach what they needed in life, and those they did teach would have been better off not having been taught at all, because they had no intention of living in Russia.
    Accordingly, there were no equal opportunities, because what was the point of teaching a future cattle breeder higher mathematics?
  29. -1
    9 October 2025 16: 58
    But still, a unified student uniform is a good thing in many ways. I remember when I was getting ready for first grade, my younger brother put on my brand new uniform and didn't want to take it off. But that uniform wasn't quite the same anymore: no cap, no belt, but still with the chevron on the sleeve (a book and the sun).
    1. 0
      9 October 2025 22: 29
      This uniform is a good thing when it's centrally issued by the state and is of better quality than what's available to 99% of the population. In that case, it truly symbolizes the state's supposed care and the importance of unity and so on. Otherwise, such a mandatory uniform is a blunt obligation, supposedly leading to discipline and order, but in reality simply leads to resentment, rebellion, and a desire to escape this quasi-prison as quickly as possible. And as you, I hope, understand perfectly well, buying nice clothes is no longer a problem these days, meaning they offer no functional benefit.
      To sum it up, for a uniform to be successful today, it should be a privilege, not an obligation, demonstrating your belonging to some closed and prestigious group.
  30. 0
    9 October 2025 18: 07
    It's not true that Stalin was a seminary dropout. Before making any assertions, you need to be well-versed in the subject. Stalin did attend seminary and GRADUATED from it. He only failed one final exam. To avoid being ordained a priest. I often hear from the poorly educated that Lenin was also a dropout. There's no truth to that either. Lenin graduated with honors from St. Petersburg State University. And he later worked successfully as a lawyer. Who would allow a non-dropout to practice in court? And Lenin never lost a single case.
    1. 0
      10 October 2025 18: 19
      Quote: Egor Marin
      And then he worked successfully as a lawyer.

      Ulyanov's first trial was the theft of 300 rubles from a peasant's chest in the village of Berezovy Gai by two other peasants from the same village. Ilyich delivered his defense speech on March 11, 1892, but the trial lasted only an hour and 15 minutes. The jury found both peasants guilty.

      Ulyanov's next trial took place on April 16. Three poor peasants were on trial for attempting to steal grain from another peasant's barn but were caught red-handed. The trial lasted a couple of hours and found the trio guilty. They were sentenced to three years in a correctional facility.

      That same day, Lenin defended Vasily Mulenkov, a 34-year-old poor peasant from Samara. He was accused of four petty thefts, and the investigation dragged on for nearly two years. Due to Mulenkov's extreme poverty, the jury acquitted him on three counts but found him guilty of stealing from a grocery store. He received a year in prison. However, the Senate later upheld the appeal, the case was retried, and Mulenkov was sentenced to 1,5 years in prison.
      Etc....
      To sum up.
      In 7 of the 10 trials we know about in detail in Samara, Ulyanov lost completely as a defense attorney; in two, he managed to secure acquittal for two 13-year-old boys, while the rest were convicted, and one trial ended in reconciliation.
    2. 0
      10 October 2025 18: 23
      Quote: Egor Marin
      And Lenin never lost a single case.

      Where did you get this? Source?
  31. 0
    9 October 2025 18: 30
    Why did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?

    Or we ask adults, people capable of constructing a normal chronology of events. Or we go galloping to a specially designated place.
    The Soviet secondary school was destroyed not at the beginning of the 21st century, but in the early 90s.
  32. 0
    9 October 2025 18: 36
    In 1969, the so-called "reinforced" school curriculum was introduced. It should be retained. School provided a comprehensive understanding of the structure of this world.
  33. +3
    9 October 2025 18: 42
    Quote: Tarasios
    But still, a unified student uniform is a good thing in many ways. I remember when I was getting ready for first grade, my younger brother put on my brand new uniform and didn't want to take it off. But that uniform wasn't quite the same anymore: no cap, no belt, but still with the chevron on the sleeve (a book and the sun).

    Yeah! Good one! Especially considering how much it costs now and how fast kids grow.
    Study-work.
    Why can I, the deputy director of a company employing several hundred people, wear jeans and a plaid shirt to work, while my grandson has to sweat in a formal suit, afraid of getting it dirty, torn, or wrinkled? And this joy costs exactly the same as an adult suit, and it's all leading to the fact that one won't last through this school year.
    Why do the directors of equipment and materials suppliers, some fairly large, including foreign ones, who come to me for negotiations dress exactly like me, while my granddaughter has to wear an expensive wool dress that's definitely not suitable for climbing a tree on the way home from school? And yet, she wants to!
  34. 0
    9 October 2025 19: 39
    The bourgeois-oriented elite that came to power had no use for a highly educated and literate population, so the excellent Soviet education system was quickly dismantled. The hallmark of the success of this obscene undertaking was the disempowerment of teachers and their eviction from the education system.
  35. +2
    9 October 2025 19: 47
    The best way to describe what the Soviet school was is, I think, in Kennedy's words: the USSR overtook the USA precisely in school education, when it got ahead in the space race.
    Soviet schools provided such a wealth of knowledge to those who wanted to learn that even today, half a century after graduating, many of those with university degrees would still be able to outshine those who currently hold them.
    A C student in Russian from a Soviet school would give a 100-point lead to a modern student who gets 100 points in this subject.
  36. +1
    9 October 2025 20: 12
    A very depressing article, so nostalgic. There were three schools in the USSR:
    1. The school under Comrade Stalin. With enormous authority for teachers, with years of service and awards, weeding out those who didn't want to learn. With strict teacher control and a strong Pioneer organization.
    2. School under Mr. Khrushchev. They removed length of service and awards, shifting the emphasis to training for a trade. Anyone could now become a teacher; I even found information about one Banderite who became a teacher after serving time in prison. You could also get a "black mark."
    3. Comrade Brezhnev's School. Seniority and awards were not restored. The emphasis on obtaining a skilled trade was removed. Teachers' authority plummeted; a boy might sit in class with a cassette player worth a month's salary, and girls wore gold earrings that a teacher could only afford once in a lifetime. And how were they supposed to view this loser teaching them? But the parents of these children brought them gifts. Elite schools and schools for workers and peasants emerged. Those who didn't want to study were dragged in by the ears; it was impossible to spoil the reports. The Pioneers became mere decoration. Teachers, like other "intelligentsia," kept a low profile and consumed samizdat and Ogonyok magazine.
    1. -1
      10 October 2025 10: 14
      Comrade Brezhnev's school...
      The authority of teachers has fallen to the lowest level in the classroom A boy could sit with a cassette player for the cost of a teacher's monthly salary,

      ?
      Where did you get this?
      Brezhnev died in 1982 – just for reference...
      and our industry began producing the players themselves under Gorbachev...
      And if we talk about "Sona" - then it could only appear in the hands of a schoolchild in the "capitals"...
      and not in every school...
      1. -3
        10 October 2025 20: 27
        Thanks for the information. I have information about when Brezhnev died. At Stalin and Khrushchev's schools, students were forbidden from bringing a iPod to school, and the parents were called to the school, or they could have reported it to work. At Brezhnev's school, this was already normal, and no one paid any attention.
        1. -1
          12 October 2025 21: 06
          .
          В A student at Stalin and Khrushchev's school was banned from bringing a player to school. And they called the parents to school, or they could have written to work. At Brezhnev's school, this was already normal, and no one paid any attention to it.

          maybe we are talking about different entities?
          but the player was made by "Grandma Sonya" in the second half of the 70s...
          What kind of... Stalin and Khrushchev school is this????
          1. -2
            13 October 2025 18: 59
            Of course we are talking about different things, you didn’t understand what I wrote.
            1. +4
              5 November 2025 04: 30
              Quote: Mother Teresa
              Of course we are talking about different things, you didn’t understand what I wrote.

              Have you tried to explain yourself clearly? Just for a change?
  37. +1
    9 October 2025 20: 22
    And weren't all of the people commenting here outraged by the collections for paint, for seeds for school flower beds, for inviting parents to repair the classroom, for cleaning the desks?!
    And no one said that the "cool" one takes money for herself, and everything in school should be free anyway?!
    This is about 1994-2003.
  38. 0
    9 October 2025 20: 33
    Quote: Mother Teresa
    A very depressing article, so nostalgic. There were three schools in the USSR:
    1. The school under Comrade Stalin. With enormous authority for teachers, with years of service and awards, weeding out those who didn't want to learn. With strict teacher control and a strong Pioneer organization.
    2. School under Mr. Khrushchev. They removed length of service and awards, shifting the emphasis to training for a trade. Anyone could now become a teacher; I even found information about one Banderite who became a teacher after serving time in prison. You could also get a "black mark."
    3. Comrade Brezhnev's School. Seniority and awards were not restored. The emphasis on obtaining a skilled trade was removed. Teachers' authority plummeted; a boy might sit in class with a cassette player worth a month's salary, and girls wore gold earrings that a teacher could only afford once in a lifetime. And how were they supposed to view this loser teaching them? But the parents of these children brought them gifts. Elite schools and schools for workers and peasants emerged. Those who didn't want to study were dragged in by the ears; it was impossible to spoil the reports. The Pioneers became mere decoration. Teachers, like other "intelligentsia," kept a low profile and consumed samizdat and Ogonyok magazine.


    Well, how is that possible?!
    Did the teachers, like the other dependents, keep a fig in their pocket?
    And all those who reaped, and who forged, and who defended the borders, were still looking to a bright tomorrow?
  39. 0
    9 October 2025 22: 35
    It's strange. The Soviet Union was destroyed by people educated in the Soviet education system.
  40. P
    0
    9 October 2025 22: 40
    The destruction of schools is a class phenomenon. The ruling class of social chauvinists sees educated and well-rounded workers as a direct threat. A threat sufficient to undermine its economic and military power by destroying education. The destruction of education is proceeding quite successfully, as confirmed right here, where commentators are steadfastly convinced that the Bolsheviks, not the Februaryists, overthrew the monarchy.
  41. +1
    10 October 2025 07: 53
    Quote: Prometey
    I don't know what some liberals are advocating for, but 50% of Russia's population are complete scum who are better off never having children. How can a school educate a child whose parents drink, swear, and are demonstrably rude in public? In that case, they should go to elementary school, teach them how to read and write, and then send them off to distance learning. If anyone wants to, let them continue their education; if not, why torture themselves and the teachers? Besides, scum parents are better versed in education and upbringing than teachers.

    What an interesting social circle you have!
  42. 0
    16 October 2025 19: 39
    There's this American TV series called "Hornets." It's so-so from an artistic standpoint, of course, but it really shows that it's not just dumbing down, but cultivating the basest, darkest principles that's the norm in their society (or is it just theirs?). I can't even imagine the USSR censoring something like that. And never mind the show. What was going on in their "New Orleans" after the 2005 flood? They were eating... Human flesh...
  43. P
    0
    15 November 2025 00: 33
    Another interesting point that's being overlooked. While curriculum is certainly important, the approach to the process of human development largely determines the structure of the society in which they will subsequently exist. In the Soviet system, teachers wielded authority, and officialdom quite easily occupied that same place in the minds of new members of adult society. This is nowhere near the case now, so the ruling class's top brass will have to deal with a mass of citizens for whom they are worms. Dangerous, rich, but worms nonetheless.
  44. 0
    18 November 2025 07: 50
    [QuoteWhy did they destroy the Soviet school system at the beginning of the 21st century?] [/ Quote]
    The bourgeois state does not need an educated people, it needs consumer cattle.
  45. 0
    2 December 2025 19: 15
    Why? Herman Grif, the same one who seized Sberbank, already spoke about this long ago.
  46. 0
    24 January 2026 23: 43
    And not only have they broken it, but they're continuing to dismantle the education system itself. Underpaid and disenfranchised teachers are simply being forced out of their jobs, and soon, with a hypocritical sigh, the authorities will recruit teachers from Central Asia, ignoring the issue of migrants' lack of Russian language skills. It's the Russian children who won't know the language.