Venezuelan Air Defense

The S-300VM system of the Venezuelan Armed Forces on parade.

The Venezuelan Armed Forces are tasked with several key tasks related to national security. One of these is protecting the airspace from aviation and other means of attacking a potential enemy. For this purpose, the armed forces have a fairly large air defense force with various types of weapons, as well as fighter aircraft.

Organization and structure

The primary responsibility for protecting the country's airspace lies with the Air Force, officially known as the Aviación Militar Nacional Bolivariana (National Bolivarian Military Aviation). It comprises all branches of the air force, troops, and Defense and a number of other structures.

The Air Force/NBA has six Aerospace Defense Commands (Comando de Defensa Aeroespacial Integral — CODAI). They are organized geographically and are responsible for different areas.

Each CODAI command has a number of formations and units with various functions and missions. It controls surveillance units equipped with various types of radars, as well as combat aviation units and air defense systems.

It's also worth noting that the National Bolivarian Navy also has its own air defense capabilities. All its main combat units are equipped with some form of anti-aircraft weaponry. However, in terms of quantity and combat capabilities, the naval air defense system is inferior to the ground and air components.

Buk-M2E air defense missile system during exercises, 2016.

Ground component

According to available information, the NBVA currently has up to seven air defense brigades. Six are on combat alert and responsible for airspace protection, and one is an auxiliary force. The brigades are subdivided into several battalions (divisions), depending on their equipment and weapons.

A radar surveillance field has been established along Venezuela's border perimeter to ensure the timely detection of air attacks. Modern Chinese-made JYL-1 and JY-11B radars are deployed in critical areas. Radars from various air defense missile systems (SAMs) also contribute to air situational awareness.

Various types of radars enable the detection of large airborne targets at ranges of up to 300-320 km. Depending on the deployment and organization of air defense systems, this enables timely detection and response to threats.

The most advanced anti-aircraft weapon in the Venezuelan Air Force's arsenal is the Russian-made S-300VM Antey-2500 system. In 2013, the Venezuelan army received two divisional sets of these air defense systems. An S-300VM division includes 9S15M and 9S19M2 circular and sector-surveillance radars, a command post, and up to six launchers, each carrying two or four missiles. missiles.

The Antey-2500 air defense missile system can engage aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 250 km and altitudes of up to 30 km. For ballistic targets, the launch range reaches 40 km and altitude reaches 30 km.

A camouflaged ZU-23-2 installation fires.

There are several batteries of Buk-M2E self-propelled air defense systems on a wheeled chassis. According to available data, nine combat vehicles of this type are in service. These air defense systems are capable of engaging large aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 45 km and altitudes of 25 km. They also have the capability to engage ballistic targets.

The relatively old S-125 Pechora-2M self-propelled air defense missile systems remain in service. While these systems have been actively decommissioned in recent years, approximately 24 launchers and associated assets are still in service. The modernized S-125s are designed to engage aircraft and similar targets at ranges exceeding 30 km and altitudes of 20 km.

Small-caliber missiles are still used in short-range air defense artillery Systems of various types—a total of at least 400 units, according to various estimates. About half of this number are Soviet/Russian 23-mm ZU-23-2 systems, one of the latest modifications. They are equipped with modern optoelectronic equipment and a fire control system.

Various units and subunits are armed with man-portable air defense systems. The majority of these systems are Russian-made Igla systems. Similar European-made man-portable air defense systems also remain in service.

fighter aircraft

The Air Force's fighter aviation comprises five squadrons operating various types of aircraft. The oldest fighters are being gradually decommissioned, which may lead to changes in the organization and staffing structure in the near future.

Venezuelan F-16A

According to the latest information, the NBVA/Air Force still maintains several American-built F-16A/B fighters in service. However, they will be retired in the near future, as have other aircraft of this type. The remaining F-16s have been consolidated into a single squadron.

The Russian-built Su-30MKV has formed the backbone of the fighter force in recent years. At least 20 of these aircraft are operational, serving four squadrons.

F-16A fighters can carry a number of types of American-made air-to-air missiles. The main ammunition loadout consists of short-range AIM-9 and medium-range AIM-7 missiles. The combat radius of such an aircraft does not exceed 500-600 km, and the launch range of the available missiles is between 50-70 km. It should be noted that the stockpile weapons The F-16A's supply from the United States is gradually depleting, and its shelf life is also expiring. As a result, the combat use of the F-16A is facing some challenges.

The Su-30MKV, on the other hand, faces no shortage of weapons or a limited selection. These aircraft can use a variety of Russian-made air-to-air missiles, from the short-range R-73 to the long-range R-37M. The fighter's combat radius reaches 1500 km, and the maximum range of its missiles is 200-300 km. The NBVA has the freedom to purchase such weapons from Russia.

Naval defense

The ships of the National Bolivarian Navy are also equipped with air defense systems. They are capable of defending themselves, their naval detachment, or coastal infrastructure from attack. However, Venezuela's naval air defense systems are not highly developed or comprehensive.

Su-30MKV from the NBVA

The only carrier of anti-aircraft missile weapons in the National Navy is currently the Lupo-class frigate Almirante Brión (F-22). Between 1980 and 82, Venezuela received six similar Italian-built ships, but almost all of them have since been decommissioned. fleetThe frigate is equipped with several surveillance radars and also has a Mk 29 launcher for 8 Sea Sparrow missiles.

The core of a ship's air defense system consists of various types of artillery systems. For example, the Almirante Brión has a pair of twin 40mm DARDO mounts and a 127mm gun. Other ships are equipped with other types of small-caliber artillery. In all cases, the capability is to engage targets within a radius of several kilometers.

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Over the past decades, Venezuela has built a fairly extensive air defense system. It includes foreign systems and complexes of various classes and types, all with high performance. Together, they are responsible for monitoring the air situation and, if necessary, can attack detected targets.

The advantages of Venezuela's air defense include its quantitative indicators, which make it superior to those of other countries in the region. Furthermore, there is a clear commitment to building a fully-fledged, layered air defense system and a desire to acquire modern, high-performance foreign-made equipment.

Overall, the Venezuelan Armed Forces' air defenses can detect and repel air strikes using a variety of attack weapons. However, the limited number of long-range weapons poses a risk of overload in the event of a strike of sufficient magnitude. Furthermore, the ability of such air defenses to sustain sustained target engagements is questionable.

Frigate Almirante Brión (F-22)

Venezuela views the United States as its primary potential adversary, and its recent actions confirm this concept. In the event of a direct military confrontation with the United States, Venezuela's air defenses will likely face challenges and be forced to address specific issues.

It will have to repel massive air strikes, which could overwhelm the enemy and result in missed strikes. The enemy will primarily target air defense facilities and combat aircraft. Each successful strike against them will reduce the risks for the enemy and simplify subsequent actions. Furthermore, the size of Venezuela's weapons stockpiles and its ability to sustain a sustained defense are questionable.

Potential difference

Thus, the Venezuelan armed forces have been able to build a fairly large and sophisticated air defense system with significant potential. It is capable of repelling attacks from virtually any neighboring country or, at a minimum, inflicting significant damage on the aggressor.

However, Venezuela's air defense capabilities appear extremely limited compared to the strike potential of the world's largest armies. Moreover, one of these armies is considered a potential adversary—and this political situation poses serious risks.

Comments

[Same lech]

Venezuela is on the brink of war with the United States, just like Russia is with NATO.
The Nobel Peace Prize candidate has severed diplomatic ties with Caracas...the only thing left to do is attack Venezuela under a convenient pretext.
So we'll be watching once again as the US begins to destroy this country with bombings and missile attacks.
Venezuela's air defense will last as long as Milosevic's air defense did.

[tank_killer156]

It might hold out longer if we support China, deploy our air defense there, and provide experienced personnel from Wagner and Rubicon.

[Hunter 2]

Quote from: tank_killer156

If we support China, we will deploy our air defense there and provide experienced personnel from Wagner and Rubicon.

What does "if" mean? This absolutely must be done. Besides the banal US response to Ukraine, this is also an opportunity, together with China, to put the "hegemon" in its place... they've completely lost their bearings, it's time to put them in their place.
Venezuela is a rich country and will more than pay for all military aid provided to it.
In the future, it is possible that our bases may appear there.
This game (destabilization along Russia's borders) can be played by three people (by straining the borders of the mattress makers together with China).

[3x3zsave]

Venezuela is a rich country and will more than pay for all military aid provided to it.
Venezuela is a poor country that has been struggling with an economic crisis for 10 years.
Hi Aleksey!

[Hunter 2]

Quote: 3x3zsave

Venezuela is a rich country and will more than pay for all military aid provided to it.
Venezuela is a poor country that has been struggling with an economic crisis for 10 years.
Hi Aleksey!

Hello Anton!
Venezuela has vast hydrocarbon reserves, beautiful beaches, and beautiful women! Enormous potential! And its current state is merely a consequence of the country being constantly robbed... including by mattress makers.

[3x3zsave]

Venezuela has huge hydrocarbon reserves, beautiful beaches and beautiful women.
But the production of these hydrocarbons has fallen threefold over the past 10 years, and the women on the beaches need to be fed somehow. In 2015, Venezuela was on the brink of famine.

[bayard]

Venezuela has huge deposits of gold ore, heavy and super-heavy oil, but there are also deposits of lighter grades and gas. They also have very fertile soil and a climate that allows for the cultivation of cocoa and coffee, as well as many other valuable crops. Much of the territory is jungle, clearing part of which for plantations has enormous potential. There is no winter. Livestock farming is extremely profitable, as is poultry farming. And yes, the entire coast is one continuous resort. The country requires a well-written development program based on its own efforts. Developing its own production, processing its own resources. But ... today only US oil producers know how and CAN extract super-heavy grades of bitumen oil. Ours have already tried. This requires large volumes of gas condensate, which are injected into the formation under pressure, dissolving the bitumen formation and thereby increasing the formation's recovery. The US has a large amount of its own gas condensate, which is transported as an associated product and is very close by, and the price is very low because it's an associated product. But if we were to transport our own, we'd have to travel halfway around the world, with transshipments and organizing the pumping of condensate through long pipelines from fields deep in the country. It's unprofitable. But Venezuela also has light oil fields, including on the continental shelf and in newly acquired/annexed territories. The country needs qualified public administration to survive the coming struggle.

[solar]

Venezuela has huge deposits of gold ore, heavy and extra-heavy oil, but there are also deposits of lighter grades and gas. They also have very fertile soil and a climate that allows for the cultivation of cocoa and coffee, as well as many other valuable crops.

Somewhere I already read it ...

Listen guys
What will tell you grandfather.
Our land is rich
There is no order in it.
...

[bayard]

Quote from solar

Listen guys
What will tell you grandfather.
Our land is rich
There is no order in it.

Where and when did you see order in Latin America?
It's a complete Carnival there.
But everything depends on the approach and the ruling party.
The Bolsheviks, in alliance with the Slavophiles, would have turned Venezuela into a gem in 10-20 years. They transformed Russia/USSR, devastated and ravaged to the point of being nothing but bast shoes, into the Second World Economy in 10 years. And they won WWII.

[3x3zsave]

The Bolsheviks, in alliance with the Slavophiles, would have made Venezuela into a real gem in 10-20 years.
And who are Chavez and Maduro in your opinion?

[bayard]

Hugo was charismatic and a true Bolivarian, almost like Che Guevara. Maduro lacks charisma. But they, as so-called "Bolsheviks," lack their own "Slavophiles"—those with a ready-made and calculated program of Electrification, Industrialization, Educational Reform, personnel training, a well-thought-out Military Reform, the creation of regional alliances/unions with ideologically similar states, and the support of Russia and China. As I wrote, they lacked a Development Program. Not desire or aspiration, but a well-written Program and the personnel to implement it.
The Slavophiles served this "Programme of Personnel" to the Bolsheviks on a platter. They drafted it back in the time of Alexander III, and even began implementing it. But the Tsar was assassinated, the throne was taken by his degenerate son, who had been mentally disabled since birth... and then everything went downhill—from the beginning and end of the RYaV, to three revolutions and the basement of engineer Ipatiev's house.
Industrialization, collectivization, the GOELRO plan, training 100,000 engineers by 1940, and this from the bast shoes, devastation and social discord after the Civil War.

Venezuela didn't have its own Slavophiles. We still have some here, but they didn't think to borrow any.

All the successes of the USSR that amazed the world were not due to the new ideology (although it did a good job of helping to implement brilliant economic models of management), but due to the brilliantly composed Development Programs.
The success of the United States under Roosevelt, its economic miracles, its leap from the abyss of the monstrous Crisis into the "cosmos" of post-war hegemony and over 50% of global GDP... these are also the development programs of the brilliant Sharapov, embodied by Borukh and adapted for the United States. His archives, after his death, were stolen by Witte's agents and handed over to his relative, the head of the French branch of the Rothschild family. Stalin's industrialization occurred simultaneously with... industrialization in the United States. Only the United States had a much higher starting position. And as Stalin wrote at the time: "Roosevelt is saving capitalism." If you look at how Roosevelt and Borukh prepared the United States for WWII and compare it with what Stalin was doing at the same time...
Here you have the secret of the success of the USA and the USSR in WWII and the reason for the bankruptcy and collapse of the British Empire as a result of the same war, although it also seemed to have won.
Without the Slavophiles, the Bolsheviks would have collapsed in the early to mid-30s. They would never have won the Civil War. They wouldn't even have accomplished the October Revolution (that's what they called it for 10 years). It was carried out by the military wing of the Slavophiles (the General Staff, counterintelligence, and military special forces, which took over "the telephone, telegraph, banks, the Winter Palace, and other geo-locations." This was made possible by the cooperation of Stalin and Dzerzhinsky with the head of counterintelligence of the Petrograd Special Military District, General Potapov, General Bonch-Bruyevich, and other generals and officers of the General Staff. They carried out the October Revolution, overthrew the Provisional Government of pro-British traitors in the name of the Bolsheviks, and handed over power to them. Thus, the "tandem" was formed that saved Russia from final destruction.

[P]

The adherents of comparing ideologies are, as always, in their repertoire. Idealism is incurable.

[red-eye]

Well, firstly, it's fun, and secondly, I have time and a keyboard))

[bayard]

Quote: Pandemic

Idealism is incurable

And Ilyinism?

[P]

It's being treated, I remember they diagnosed it and treated it in Nuremberg.

[bayard]

Quote: Pandemic

is being treated in Nuremberg

How harsh you are on our vertical. However, they've been searching for a "new ideology" for some time now. For Ilyinism is an absolutely unacceptable and immoral ideology for Society. And endlessly hiding one's true ideology under the fig leaf of "banning any ideology" is not working. And war, no matter how you look at it, requires the consolidation of Society, not the mockery of the People. Therefore, at the very least, one must say something acceptable to the people. Not sincere, but acceptable.

[P]

Social consolidation - solidarity. It was treated in exactly the same place.

[bayard]

Quote: Pandemic

He was treated in exactly the same place.

In Nuremberg?
They probably cancelled the May 1st holiday there too?
International Workers' Solidarity Day.
It was established, among other things, as a sign of solidarity and in memory of the fallen Chicago workers killed by the police during a strike in defense of their rights.
And fascism was on trial at Nuremberg. "Fascism" is a bunch in Italian/Latin, or a unification. And these concepts differ, fundamentally.
But our vertical really does love fascines, often depicting them on the heraldry (coats of arms) of various government institutions. Often, a labrys—a double-edged ceremonial executioner's axe—is also inserted into the fascine. Supposedly, this is where the "lictors" decide fates.
Do you think this can be treated somehow?
The Nuremberg verdict has been forgotten and annulled due to the passage of time, fascism in Europe is flourishing again and is being cultivated in every possible way.
And we have ?
Ilyin, in fact, created his "Russofastist" movement far earlier than Hitler and Mussolini; he was a pioneer in this field in the 20th century. He despised and hated the people. He called exclusively for the "elite" to consolidate, and specifically against the people. This is how he fundamentally differed from both Mussolini's fascism and Hitler's National Socialism. Both united the nation—their people. Ilyin, on the other hand, split society into the parasites he had united and the people themselves, whom he wanted to reduce to the level of a semi-animal or a talking thing. And in this (regarding the Russian people), he found himself in complete solidarity with Hitler.
So how are the Ilyinists going to protect us from European fascism now? If they're completely united in their goals and objectives, but not yet "united" by a single line? It's like trying to cure the Plague with Cholera. Are these the kind of doctors who can really help?
What do you think ?

[solar]

In Nuremberg?
They probably cancelled the May 1st holiday there too?
International Workers' Solidarity Day.

May 1st - National Labor Day - has been an official holiday in Germany since 1933, ever since the National Party came to power.socialist German working Parties. It was officially celebrated, a day off, and workers held rallies and demonstrations, including in the occupied territories of the USSR. Here, they tried to forget about it, and they still don't publicize it. The holiday introduced by the Nazis still survives in Germany; it's called Labor Day, and it's a day off.

[bayard]

Well, that's not surprising, since Hitler had the National Socialist Party, which relied on the working class and the "progressive bourgeoisie."
Only in the USSR was this day celebrated as International Workers' Solidarity Day. And the emphasis was always not on labor, but on solidarity. There's a wonderful Soviet cartoon called "Solidarity," which captures the meaning of the word solidarity well.

[solar]

Hitler had the National Socialist Party

National Socialist working The Party. That was its official name.

Only in the USSR this day was the International Day of Workers' Solidarity.

At different times and in different countries, this holiday has had different names, and is even celebrated at different times. In the USSR, for a long time, it was originally officially called International Day. In Germany, it was officially called "National Labor Day" (after the end of World War II, the holiday's status was confirmed by the Allied Control Council on May 1, 1946. It is now Labor Day). In the United States, it is Labor Day. They are the same holiday. Originating in Australia, it gained notoriety after the anarchist terrorist attack in the United States.

[Sergej1972]

They killed Alexander II. Why do you consider Alexander III a degenerate? He was a smart man.

[bayard]

I call Nikolai No. 2 a degenerate, and his father, Alexander III, was perhaps the most intelligent of the rulers, who knew how to select the smartest people as his ministers, knew how to listen, analyze, and make the right decisions. I was unlucky with my son; Nikolai's mother's genes are to blame.
And Alexander III was indeed murdered. There were a series of assassination attempts on his life. The monstrous strain of holding the roof of the shattered dining car while his family members were being pulled out from the rubble undermined his health and weakened his immune system. So a simple seasonal cold developed into pleurisy, and then a poisoner was sent to him (in Crimea). He administered poison under the guise of medicine.
After the Tsar's death, his wayward son, whose cognitive abilities his father hadn't prepared him for, and who wasn't planning on dying for another 20 years, was installed on the throne. And so the Empire went into decline, and all the plans drawn up under Alexander III were only realized under the Bolsheviks during Stalin's USSR. Not all the plans, because his wayward son had screwed up too much.

[Sergej1972]

However, Alexander III greatly respected Witte, whom your beloved Sharapov despised. Nevertheless, many have heard of Witte even today, while Sharapov is practically forgotten.

[bayard]

Witte was the black demon and "godfather" of the First Russian Revolution, which had already nearly destroyed the Empire. It was Sharapov and his associates who saved Russia from this chaos. His associates later, in 1917, saved Russia after the collapse and disintegration of the February bacchanalia, albeit under a new brand. Back then, they walked a razor's edge. And they created an unprecedented state, the Great Red Empire named after Stalin. The greatest happiness for Russia then was the presence on the Bolshevik Central Committee (a small and little-known party) of such men as Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, and Bonch-Bruevich (brother of the very general who, after the October Revolution and the removal of the temporary collaborators, gathered Russian generals and officers to create the Red Army). The Slavophile Order had someone to rely on and someone to reunite Russia under.

Quote: Sergej1972

However, Alexander III respected Witte very much.

Witte should have been hanged for complicity (or at least for connivance and negligence) in the assassination attempt on the royal family by blowing up a dining car - the very same "Borki crash". He was the head of this section of the railway at that time. But the yellow press created such a "universal" hysteria that "they want to execute the savior of the tsars", that "he is in despair and ready to commit suicide", and "he loves the Tsar so much and is so faithful"... and other heresies. Bewilderment and even indignation began to grow in society. And this guy was under investigation, all the evidence led to him, and as the head of the railway who failed to ensure the safety and inspection of the Tsar’s train, he had to answer for it. But Alexander III, in order to calm the public outrage and to quiet all this fuss, ordered the investigation against Witte to be stopped and even, in order to pacify the idle public, decided to give him an audience to listen to the scoundrel. And this scion of the Rothschild clan (French) on the maternal side was so cunning, resourceful and clever that he managed to charm the Tsar, and since he demonstrated considerable knowledge of banking and finance, the Tsar decided to attract him as Sharapov’s assistant in the upcoming grandiose undertaking - the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway. To finance this entire grand project, it was decided to test Sharapov's program in action. Incl. and his Financial Theory. And while the Tsar was alive, Witte showed every possible assistance and respect to Sharapov, so much so that (a huge mistake of Alexander III) the Tsar, shortly before his sudden death, appointed him Minister of Finance. After this, the conspirators needed to get rid of the clever king as quickly as possible, which was done by taking a cold medicine... The king drank poison from the hands of an assassin. And immediately everything changed. The disastrous "Nikolka's Kingdom" began, when many plans and projects were destroyed or became extremely difficult to implement in the shortest possible time (this is in Sharapov's book), Witte dragged the Russian Empire into a "Far Eastern adventure" and did EVERYTHING possible and impossible to ensure that Russia was unprepared for war and shamefully lost to a THIRD-RAT country. And in the wake of this shame and extreme disappointment and discontent in society, he organizes that very same “Bloody Sunday”, which was organized by his henchmen through their agents and provocateurs. And then riots and pogroms began. And the workers were paid more for their strikes and walkouts than for a work shift, they were brought vodka and snacks, and they were incited to pogroms... Meanwhile, the “towns” and “outskirts” were already rising up for robbery and pogroms. Witte directed all of this from his seat as Prime Minister. And sitting on the treasury... from there he gave money to finance these pogroms. Sometimes funding came directly from the owners of those very factories... For example, through Putilov, who owed his success and all the contracts for the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway to Sharapov, he introduced him to the tsar and allocated money for the construction and development of his famous factories... but later, when Witte forced Sharapov out of the Court, Putilov became entirely and completely Witte's obliging little dog. And when, organizing his Unions to curb the Time of Troubles, Sharapov turned to Putilov for help and assistance, he refused. And as it turned out later, he himself paid his workers to support strikes and to disrupt them, among other things. defense orders. And Witte supported him financially for this. With money from the Treasury. To destroy the State.
When the secret began to come out and the patriotic public began to demand "Witte's blood"... the infinitely stupid Tsar Nicholas didn't dare touch the relative of the French Rothschilds, to whom the Russian Empire owed colossal sums—loans Witte had taken out during the war, some of which had simply been stolen. The little king simply allowed Witte to flee abroad. Stolypin became prime minister, the country began to recover from the monstrous disgrace and turmoil, and the resettlement of peasants to Siberia began. But this was only part of Sharapov's plans to relocate part of the population to Manchuria and southern Siberia. Manchuria was no longer feasible for settlement, so they began to settle the "Trans-Siberian Railway zone" and only partially the CER zone—the extraterritorial zone.

Quote: Sergej1972

Sharapov is practically forgotten.

They tried to bring him out of oblivion in the fall of 2005, but then THIS happened... that the Financial Reform started by Putin, based on Sharapov's model, had to be urgently curtailed - a series of murders of the leaders of this reform and people involved in promoting this idea... I was there. I remember.

[red-eye]

Well, look, there were many relatively successful Latin American juntas (aside from the fact that they were cruel and espoused right-wing economic policies) Chile with the same Pinochet if we evaluate this whole thing in order street crime was contained by left-wing radical terrorism
Compared to its neighbors on the continent (and there were no miracles in the economy, no matter how some individuals licked it, but again, we are comparing with neighbors) and do not subject the country to sanctions, but in the end, it did not work out with Spain

[bayard]

Quote: red-eye

there have been many relatively successful Latin American juntas

How long did they last and what did they degenerate into?
Do you think Salvador Allende would have fared worse in Chile? After all, he was overthrown under the direction of the CIA and MI6 precisely because Chile had every chance of becoming the flagship and poster child for socioeconomic reform in Latin America. And Chile was a relatively developed country for such a start. It wasn't a resort and "All-American Casino" like Cuba, which didn't even have much industry, and its income came from resorts, casinos, and sugarcane plantations. Chile, on the other hand, was a resource-rich country, with a relatively well-educated urban population, its own industry, and developed agriculture. But it was cut short at the start. And what did Pinochet's junta lead it to?
Read my comment above; I wrote about this—the secret to the USSR's success. And what Venezuela lacks, for example. Success depends not so much on the socio-political system as on a properly chosen and designed Economic Model and Economic Development Program. Most of the programs the Bolsheviks were so proud of were drafted by Slavophiles for Alexander III back in the early 1890s.
The archives stolen from the estate of the Slavophile leader Sharapov by Witte's agents after his death later formed the basis of the so-called "US economic miracle." The idea of ​​creating the Federal Reserve System as an international financial center also originated from there. When bankers, driven by greed, plunged the US and the entire world into the Great Depression, these archives were handed over to Roosevelt's friend Borukh to implement and adapt these plans and models for the US. The success was resounding, as was the success of Stalin's USSR.
This is what a properly designed Development Program based on scientific analysis and Correct Financial Theory means.

[red-eye]

At one time, while visiting the glorious Republic of Chile in 15, I had a conversation with a taxi driver. His father and he himself, by inertia, were ardent opponents of Pinochet and he reviled him quite strongly, but even he said that at the end of Alledo's rule, the security situation left much to be desired. The carbines (analogous to the National Guard/Rosgvardi in terms of tasks) were relatively passive, the police did nothing, but the wings of the mir movement, with their semi-partisan guerrilla warfare and expropriation of property (in the name of a bright socialist future, of course), chose as their target mainly small businesses (commercial freight transport, shops, workshops, small farmers and restaurants) as the most vulnerable (if you recall the beginning of the coup, those events were triggered by a strike of truck drivers who paid tribute/tax to local "revolutionaries" (it is widely believed that they acted with the tacit consent/patronage of Allende) and Allende decided to nationalize freight transport, which promised a significant drop in revenues

I can personally recommend studying the issue of pricing of goods in those times, which was verified by modern supercomputers (It was written by a student on the fly)

If we approach this issue practically, the fact is that South and Central America were greatly shaken, both socially and economically, by Chile for a number of reasons (some of which were not dependent on either Allende or Pinochet), but this fate passed them by.
realizing that the United States is the paranoid and only superpower in this part of the world, ensuring (not by the most dishonest methods) the economic balance of this region and significantly influencing (even by market instruments) the economy of a single state...
I mean, you can endlessly talk about what Allende would have done in the second half of the twentieth century and what a wonderful social state he would have built, but without taking into account global military, political, and economic processes, trends, and prospects, such reasoning will be untenable.

[bayard]

Thank you, interesting details. I've never really delved into the history of the revolutionary movement in Latin America, although they've always had plenty of Che Guevaras... but it's often resulted in crime rather than the ideology of a just, solidary society of equals.
But the Chilean example once again confirms that even the best of ideas, without a sound economic theory and a development program specifically tailored to that country, are doomed to failure or simply failure. Because external opposition will constantly mount, and internal resources for everything planned and declared are always insufficient. The programs for the Soviet Economic Miracle were developed by the best minds and hearts of that era. And they nurtured and refined these programs for 30 to 50 years before implementation. These were perfectly developed programs and algorithms, developed for the Russian Empire during the time of Alexander III and refined under his wayward son, during the years of the Civil War and up until 1928, when "Stalin's Program for Building Socialism in One Country" won at the congress and began to be implemented in the form of Collectivization (under Alexander III, it was realized that for our latitude and our climate, only large collective, and mechanized farms would be consistently profitable and provide high/sufficient yields), Industrialization, Mechanization of agriculture by creating a network of inter-district MTS (the most progressive method, killed by the scoundrel Khushchev), and many other programs, including Military Reform and the creation of a powerful mechanized Red Army and Navy.
Allende, Maduro, and Chavez had nothing like this. And how, under the Soviet Union, to ask specialists from the USSR State Planning Committee and relevant ministries to come to a country liberated from colonial rule and draw up such programs... is no longer possible. The rise of the USSR and US economies was driven by geniuses. Programs for Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and so on were written by a former USSR State Planning Committee official who emigrated to the US after Khrushchev's crushing of Gosplan and took with him the latest developments of the Soviet school of state planning. The USSR abandoned this and fell first into the "Khrushchev Slush," and then into Brezhnev-era stagnation. But Japan, South Korea, and a number of other countries leaped forward, revealing miracles to the world.
That is, the source of all these miracles from Roosevelt and Stalin to Japan, South Korea and China is ONE - the "Classical Russian School of Political Economy and State Planning".
Like this .
And this is the secret of secrets of the "World Economy", the world financial international and "world economic science", covered by the fig leaf of the heresy of "Economics".

[red-eye]

Well, I understand your position and thank you for your opinion, but I'm afraid you and I see and perceive historical events a little differently (and please, that's okay, I'm not going to baptize you).
and I am in a different political ideological camp

[bayard]

Apparently you belong (perhaps I am mistaken) to the "Ilyinist" camp.
Well, the Slavophiles also split during the Revolution and the Civil War. Some of them ended up in Henry Ford's entourage, and it was they who compiled and prepared for publication under his name his famous, banned (!) book, "The Controversy of Zion." He published it in his own printing house, and had already launched an advertising campaign about its imminent release... but after the head of his favorite stallion from his stable was thrown onto his bed (a plot later included in the novel "The Godfather"), he personally destroyed almost the entire print run of the book and went to negotiate a "truce" with the bankers. Those involved in its publication managed to save a few copies of this book, and in the mid-90s it was even republished in Russian. I had this book, and the whole story is described in its preface.
And the Ilyinists and Ilyin himself... painted themselves in the colors in which they painted themselves - as one great avenger, known under the pseudonym Cicero of Kiev, would say.
The fascination with this vicious ideology is understandable—the entire vertical power structure was built on it. But every idea and ideology is tested by practice, primarily for effectiveness. The ideology of social parasitism divides society and leads to its degradation. And as a rule, the worst, devoid of principles and proper, correct knowledge, rises to the top. I don't attribute this to you, because I'm not really aware of your ideological leanings, but the Slavophiles had a common idea of ​​building a Solidary Society of Free People.
And yes, Sharapov also proposed the separation of Church and State in his program for the development of the Russian Empire over a 50-year period.

[red-eye]

I don't really know, I've never correlated my beliefs with clear ideological markers of certain groups.
rather, I sympathize with certain socio-legal values ​​and economic practices within the framework of the characteristic directions of academic political science and (primitive) economics

[bayard]

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I have never aligned my beliefs with clear ideological markers of certain groups
rather

This is not surprising, since ideology is prohibited in the Russian Federation by the Constitution. So your position is protected by the Constitution.

[Sergej1972]

Sharapov also proposed a regional reform that would have actually spurred the development of separatism in the country. I think you're exaggerating the importance of the work of this aristocratic liberal-conservative with a certain populist bent.

[bayard]

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Sharapov also proposed a regional reform,

I don't remember about the regional reform, but I know that he insisted on the development of communities and Cathedral Law with elected people's representatives. He proposed separating the Church from the State, removing it from state support, and introducing the election of priests at a meeting of the parish community.
And even bishops at the local diocesan council.

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You exaggerate the importance of the works of this noble liberal-conservative with a certain populist bias.

No, Sharapov was an imperialist, and an Imperial with a capital I. But he proposed progressive reforms, he generated them, all of them comprehensive and aimed not at enriching a group at the expense of others, but at promoting universal prosperity. And, I repeat, he insisted on the development of communities.
How is the word "community" translated into French?
The correct answer is a commune.
He advocated for developed local self-government, not separatism. He advocated for the advancement of the best and most worthy people from all classes into positions of power. And it was the Slavophiles who pushed for the opening of elementary parochial schools throughout the country and the sending of the best students from these elementary schools to gymnasiums.
But it was Sharapov, in 1905, seeing revolutionary unrest flaring up and the country in disarray, who began to create those very same Unions, drawing the most authoritative and moral figures of the Empire into their leadership. Among the members of the Unions were the later celebrated John of Kronstadt, Archbishop Nikon (head of the ROC's Department of Catechesis), and many others. These were essentially people's militias of workers, artisans, peasants, and commoners—not the caricatures later portrayed by Western propaganda and pro-Western "revolutionaries."
And yes, he was the first to publish the Russian edition of the pamphlet known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," which was obtained in several copies (up to a dozen) by Russian intelligence and distributed to participants at the Basel Congress. Nilus later simply reprinted it.

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a noble liberal-conservative with some populist leanings.)

This nobleman created the first agricultural cooperative in the Russian Empire for his freed peasants (a prototype of the collective farm for future collectivization), acquired all the necessary equipment for it, helped organize a joint collective farm, equipped them with his inventions (two and a half dozen patents for agricultural machinery), sent smart young people on agronomy courses after completing their education, and the cooperative flourished. So there was a basis for cloning collective farms; it wasn't a whim, and certainly not a Bolshevik invention.

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You exaggerate the importance of the works of this noble liberal-conservative

Have you actually read him? His "Theory of Absolute Money"? Do you understand its meaning and significance? The magnificent Soviet Financial System was built on this, which provided the financing for all the grandiose projects of the Stalin era. Can you even imagine how much it cost to industrialize the USSR in just 10 years, turning it into the Second World Economy? And not a single cent of credit! Only ongoing deliveries, which were repaid at zero by the end of the current year!
Have you seen anything like this anywhere?
And all the other programs from that period?
Have you ever wondered HOW this became possible and where the funds came from for such rapid development of the USSR, when the growth rates were estimated exclusively in double digits?
Look at the US industrial breakthrough from the Great Depression under the leadership of Roosevelt and Borukh; this, incidentally, was also the implementation of Sharapov's plans and programs, developed for Russia. And the Federal Reserve System was created at the initiative of the British and all European branches of the Rothschild clan, based on Sharapov's Theory of Absolute Money. But in a distorted form, aimed exclusively at self-interest. Which, by the way, is what Sharapov was so afraid of. Perhaps the entire global economy and global financiers are also "overestimating" him?
No way. They classified his work, programs, and theories, banned his very name. They came up with the most savage perversion and mockery of the Brain and Common Sense, the heresy of "Economics," for all of this together is the Golden Hook to Human Prosperity... but if it becomes publicly known... their power over the world will end.

And yes, in the summer of 1992, during the height of hyperinflation, I myself formulated the "Theory of Money," knowing nothing at the time about Sharapov and his theory. It was only in the fall of 2005 that I was surprised to learn that this very theory had been formulated, almost identically, and partially tested in practice by the Russian genius Sharapov, right during that very presentation.
I didn't propose my theory anywhere back then; there certainly wasn't any demand for it, but in the summer of 1992, I managed to propose a program that saved Russia's entire oil industry at its most critical moment. And we managed to prevent the industry's collapse. Had it collapsed back then, our oil industry would very quickly have been lost to us. But thanks to the timely implementation of the program, the industry survived and, along with Gazprom, carried our entire economy and the entire country through the turbulent 90s.
So don't worry, I can assess the scale of Sharapov's personality without outside criticism. The level of his intellect and the originality of his ideas, plans, programs, and solutions. And, as a rule, they were all spot on.

[Sergej1972]

What do you think of his proposal that 50% of regional assembly deputies be from the nobility, and that the chairmen of regional dumas (regional executive bodies formed jointly by the governor-general appointed by the emperor and the regional assembly) be regional marshals of the nobility? He insisted on the special role of the nobility in governance both locally and at the national level. At the turn of the 20th century, this was a rather archaic idea.

[bayard]

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At the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, this was a rather archaic idea.

I don't think the idea was archaic, especially at the turn of the 20th century, given that nobles only accounted for 50% of the seats. He based his decision not on class solidarity, but on their level of education and skills in public administration and governance in general. Or do you think it's better now, when the Duma is made up of just anyone, from athletes to anyone else? It's a regional governing body. By "region," he didn't mean a province (as I understand it), but a kind of governorate-general consisting of several provinces. And yet, the other 50% would come from other classes. It seemed the most rational approach at the time. Besides, nobles were service people, they were supposed to serve in either the military or the civil service, they had the skills, some would have military service, some would have civil service, but with practical management experience.
Or do you want a collective farm and empty talk?
You'll simply immerse yourself in that era—what the country, society, morals, and system of government were like. It was an empire and a monarchy. Unfortunately for Russia, it all ended with the feeble-minded Nikolka. And it's a monstrous crime to use the most shameful and unfortunate period of our pre-revolutionary history as a model for a "renaissance." To avoid such mistakes, we need to read the works of Sharapov and other authors of his time. It was then that Russia stood at a crossroads—either a sharp rise to unprecedented greatness, or collapse and ruin. But thanks to Sharapov's comrades, our history, after veering toward collapse and ruin, finally turned onto the runway to a bright future. It's a shame that Khrushchev was lying in ambush behind the runway with a MANPADS.
This is the kind of hell we have on this wretched, parasite-ridden planet. But we must still strive for a better, brighter, more harmonious, more just, and more solidary society of free people.
And without any isms.

[Sergej1972]

"A former employee of the USSR State Planning Committee who emigrated to the United States after Khrushchev's crushing of Gosplan and took with him the latest developments of the Soviet school of state planning." Aren't you writing about Leontiev? But he left the USSR in 1925. And have you actually read Sharapov or are you just retelling articles about him? Some of his ideas actually overlap with Ilyin's.

[bayard]

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Are you writing about Leontiev? He left the USSR in 1925.

This is a legend, so as to reduce the number of questions raised about him. I knew a man who worked with him at Gosplan in the last couple of years before Gosplan was disbanded.

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Have you actually read Sharapov or are you just retelling articles about him?

I not only read it, but also attended the presentation of this book in the fall of 2005, when the All-Russian Economic Society named after him was founded. I have a copy of the book from that presentation, signed by its publisher, O.A. Platonov.
It's true that this book, like my entire library, is out of my reach and is located in the enemy-occupied part of Donbass, and I've been in Donetsk since 2014. So I can't take it off the shelf or quote anything. I know it's digitized and online. But I've never come across any articles about him. His name has been generally forbidden from being mentioned since the time of Witte, who closed all the newspapers and publications that Sharapov opened to publish his own and his associates' works. Often, these were fly-by-night newspapers, after which the newspaper would close, and he would open/register a new one to publish the next issue under a new name. This is all from the preface to the book and from what the speakers said during its presentation on September 30, 2005, in the very hall where the children's choir sang "Goodbye America" ​​in the film "Brother 2."

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In fact, some of his thoughts overlap with Ilyin’s.

I didn't see this. And his attitude toward the Russian people was fundamentally different from the views of the social parasite Ilyin.

[Sergej1972]

But read Sharapov and compare it with the ideas of Tikhomirov, Meshchersky, Solonevich, and Ilyin. These monarchists have more in common than differences, especially in their views on the best form of government for Russia. They simply had different interests. Some were more interested in economic issues, others in state and legal matters. And, by the way, Ilyin wrote a lot about the ideas of solidarity. And your interlocutor is talking nonsense about Leontief. Leontief was quite well known in the West. He successfully defended his dissertation in Germany in 1928, in front of a crowd. Then he worked in China. He consulted for the American army during the war. In 1954, he became president of the Econometric Society of the United States. Many film and photo documents from the 30s-50s have survived, and he also published extensively. There are also interviews in which he talked about himself. I think we already discussed this with you once.

[bayard]

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Read Sharapov, compare with the ideas of Tikhomirov, Meshchersky, Solonevich and Ilyin.

I remember Sharapov's works; they fit like puzzle pieces into ready-made cells, as if I were reading my own thoughts, but in the context of that historical period. I read the others, but a long time ago and not much, and I didn't extract much useful or interesting information, perhaps because it was irrelevant. But you have to understand that they lived and developed in specific conditions and wrote their programs and proposals for a specific monarchical state, striving to improve, harmonize, and develop it. But each in their own way. In their later work and already in exile, they began to ooze resentment, and often (like Ilyin) poison and bile. But I don't remember their works well, so they didn't resonate with me. But Sharapov was like balm for my soul. And his ideas, theories, and programs are not strictly time-bound. This is what a prosperous state needs to be built on. This is the Golden Key to the Kingdom of Prosperity, harmony, abundance, and aspiration to the Future. Others didn't even have a whiff of it. There's more mothballs there, or... let's not talk about Ilyin.

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By the way, Ilyin wrote a lot about the ideas of solidarity.

He's talking about a completely different kind of "solidarism"—fascism—the "unity" of a group of parasites for the enslavement of the Russian people. Although he's so prolific that he could have written different things at different times, he began using the term "fascism" to describe his ideology long before Hitler and Mussolini.

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And your interlocutor was talking nonsense about Leontiev.

No, that was his reaction to the mention of that very same "Leontief Competition" - "How to Make the Ruble Convertible" in 1989. My work was supposed to take first place, but I didn't submit it then. Two years later, however, I met with the members of the Evaluation Committee of that competition and, at their request, presented my program. He surprised and astonished them, saying, "Why didn't you send this work? It's a guaranteed first place. The program might not have been accepted for implementation, but it would have certainly made a name for itself."
- Well, you are members of that very commission, so consider that a statement.
Well, they immediately offered me a job. As it turned out, it was in one of the Rothschilds' control and management structures (the main one) in the USSR/RF. And this was in the spring of 1991.
In short, my Theory of Money, presented in a very original form (in a relaxed conversation with a friend over a bottle (and not just one) of wine and some fruit...) was overheard by my friend's father from the next room. When I finished, he came in and beamed. He was then leading a brainstorming group at the Ministry of Oil and Gas. Of 17 young scientists, plus himself. And in the process, where did such knowledge and outlook come from? I had to mention that I had already shown off my other program to the members of the Leontief Competition evaluation committee.
- But this is our Leontyev, he came here in 1989, many of our people met with him.
My interlocutor, after graduating from the institute as the top graduate in his class, was sent to Gosplan and witnessed the last couple of years of Stalin's Gosplan. "What great minds they had, what power and intellect," Viktor Vasilyevich recalled. Incidentally, he himself was descended from the Vorontsov family on his mother's side, and his father, a Moscow priest (executed by order of the Moscow Troika headed by Khrushchev in 1938), was a highly intelligent man.
So he was absolutely sure that it was exactly that same Leontiev.
I heard that this is exactly how it is not long ago in Mikhail Khazin’s program, and exactly in the form I presented it.
Now, a version of how it can be that both you and I are right. The fact is that after the end of WWII, many migrants, including even White generals, began to return to the USSR. Including many Russians from the CER zone and from Europe. The USSR then shone with the grandeur of its victory, its economic and social successes and the established internal reconciliation - many Whites repented of having fought the Bolsheviks: "If we knew WHAT kind of state you were going to build, we would never have fought you." Probably, Leontiev also returned to the USSR then, and, already a famous economist, was hired by Gosplan. And everything would have been fine, if after Stalin's death, the ultra-Trotskyists of Khrushchev's gang had not seized power. And the outright destruction of the State built by Stalin and the Slavophiles began. And Gosplan was one of the first to fall victim. So Leontyev simply packed his bags and returned to the United States. And apparently (as M. Khazin put it) he did indeed take with him some of the latest developments from Gosplan.
It must be said that the older generation of Gosplan employees were predominantly... Slavophiles. That's why this economic brain of the USSR was destroyed. That's why Leontiev, when Chubais brought him to the USSR, had a number of former Gosplan employees to meet with. Because I don't think, and I don't even entertain the possibility, that Viktor Vasilyevich got anything mixed up or "lied." I'm also sure that M. Khazin knows what he's talking about. And there's no need to argue; I know his level of knowledge.

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I think we already discussed this with you once.

I probably don't remember all the people I spoke to, but this question has definitely been raised before. I think that's probably exactly how it was. Because after the War, many of their emigrants did return to Russia. And they had people to meet here. If only I knew how many descendants of White generals and officers I knew, given that my great-uncle commanded the 25th Chapayev Division. But that didn't bother us at all. Back then, we were pushed into a fratricidal war by the devils from the City of London and New York's Wall Street. And now we have exactly the same thing - Russians are killing Russians. Under the leadership of the British and God's chosen ones.

[Sergej1972]

Leontief never returned to the USSR. In 1954, he was elected president of the Econometric Society, and in 1970, president of the American Economic Association. He published extensively in the United States from the 1950s to the 1980s. He visited the USSR several times, but was accepted as a foreign specialist because he had renounced Soviet citizenship in the early 30s. However, attitudes toward him during the reigns of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev were generally positive. https://www.domrz.ru/press/memo_dates/115_let_so_dnya_rozhdeniya_v_v_leonteva/

[bayard]

Well, maybe they just had the same last name. I've given you my sources of information, but I wasn't interested in his biography. I didn't even participate in the competition, although I put together a program for it. I had many other interests at the time. And I didn't last long at NTTM.

[solar]

But everything depends on the approach and the ruling party.
Here are the Bolsheviks, in alliance with the Slavophiles.

So, in Venezuela, the Bolsheviks are in power, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. And what Bolsheviks they are! Their fervor would have been envied in the USSR.
Since the beginning of the 20th century, socialism has been officially and actively developed.

[bayard]

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So in Venezuela the Bolsheviks are in power, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

What good are the Bolsheviks without an Economic Development Program? Without brains? And without the will to implement this program.
Where did the Bolsheviks and Slavophiles start in the USSR?
From Education!
Engineers were trained. Agronomists.
From the GOELRO Plan - the basis and foundation of future Industrialization.
And which factories were built first?
Machine tool manufacturing! And tool shops right next to them, so there's no outside dependence.
And also mechanical engineering—tractors, power equipment. And in general—enterprises for the production of "Group A" goods—the production of capital goods. That is, the foundation was laid right away so that subsequent plants could be built using their own equipment. And the pace was extremely high.
And to cover foreign exchange expenses, they increased export production—fur farms sprouted across the country to boost "Russian Fur" exports. They weren't pumping oil, a low-margin resource.
And commercial grain too. But first, by ensuring its surplus production through collectivization and mechanization of agriculture. They began sending pre-trained agronomists to collective farms, and inter-district machine and tractor stations (MTS) grew. And yet, the intelligence level of those who managed this was at the threshold of genius. Or beyond that threshold. And that's the right selection of personnel. That's the State Planning Committee. Those are the sectoral ministries, where each minister was responsible for the task assigned to him. Back then, it wasn't just that something stuck to your hands; failure to fulfill the plan could lead to the loss of both status and freedom. That's when the garbage of the near-revolutionary parasites from the system of Soviet power began to be blown out by the "wind of change" of the new personnel policy... And ordinary people of that time began to notice with amazement - "Yes, how quickly everything is changing for the better. The murderers and fanatics from the government and the organs were purged to a very significant extent, the standard and quality of life constantly and rapidly grew, new management (after the ghouls who had disappeared somewhere) came competent and humane...". I remember/know this from specific conversations and inquiries. Even in exile - in a special settlement, life became better and more fun. And all these qualitative changes were ensured and implemented not by the Bolsheviks "in dusty helmets", but by the smartest and most educated people of their era. As a rule, not public ones. But it was they who planned everything, organized and ensured the correct and timely execution. And the Bolsheviks... they were different. There was so much scum that crept into that very small party before the revolution, so much vileness, brutality, and foreign spies. Which, by the way, is not at all surprising - WWI was underway then, German and Entente intelligence services were working at full speed, everyone was trying to knock Russia out of the ranks of the victors.
So, the Bolsheviks alone are TOO MUCH for successful development and prosperity. Our Bolsheviks had no experience in public administration, planning, or state building in general. Only the Slavophiles had all that. They chose the Bolsheviks from a whole bunch of parties as the weakest, wanting to build a new state on the site of the ALREADY destroyed old one, and who were even closer to them ideologically and terminologically. For communism is a communal system of society (translated from French, like the romantic word "revolution" in French simply means - COUP). And since the Slavs have historically lived in communities, then how can the Slavophiles live without a community, and how can the Community live without those who love their own - the Slavic People?
Although in 1905-1907, the revolutionary rabble, already fomenting the Civil War, had no more fearsome, persistent, or intelligent opponents than the Slavophiles. It was they who created those very Unions (of the Russian People, St. Michael the Archangel, etc.) that broke the back of revolutionary obscurantism with Japanese, British, and American money. It was they (the Slavophiles) that these demons called "Black Hundreds," using the term in a negative connotation. But in October 1917, the Slavophiles and the best Bolsheviks (Stalin, Dzerzhinsky) were already together and jointly carried out a special operation to remove the pro-British Provisional Government from power. Without any involvement in its preparation by Lenin, Trotsky, or other émigré and attached scum (Trotsky, who was never a Bolshevik and was at loggerheads with Lenin). It was they, the Slavophiles, who practically the entire General Staff stood under the Red Banner (the Grand Duke's battle banner was also historically Red), created the Red Army (not to be confused with Trotsky's "Red Guard," which consisted only of criminals freed from prison by Kerensky and hired and armed by Trotsky with money from the American banker Yankel Schiff), and won the Civil War against the Entente mercenaries (the Whites) and foreign interventionists... Did you know that General Brusilov headed the Bolshevik Main Cavalry Courses during the Civil War? And it was in response to his call for Russian officers to rise under the banner of the Red Army to repel the Polish invaders and traitors and liberate Kyiv that a powerful army group was formed and the Poles defeated. And after Russia was liberated from the invaders and collaborators, they went to teach at military academies and schools, into archives, or simply retired. And their other comrades began to prepare the USSR's Industrial Leap into the Future.

This is the only way to achieve success - through the Union of Mind and Will.

[Sergej1972]

"Real" Bolshevik-Stalinists, it seems to me, would characterize the Venezuelan regime as a peculiar hybrid of Trotskyism and left-wing populism of the Socialist Revolutionary persuasion with a nationalist slant.) Representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation try to ignore the sympathy of many Latin American leftists for Trotsky's ideas and the obvious echoes of their ideas with populist ideas, especially with Mikhailovsky's ideas about "heroes" and "the crowd":)

[solar]

They consider themselves Marxists.
To the Bolsheviks, Latin American and South American Bolsheviks looked even more Bolshevik than they did. Che Guevara alone is worth a look.

[FIR FIR]

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Venezuela has huge deposits of gold ore, heavy and extra-heavy oil

Venezuela's natural resources are staggering, but their exploration, extraction, and processing require vast resources and a large number of qualified personnel. Venezuela has neither, and no one will risk investing colossal sums of money in a highly unstable regime. Today, Maduro promises mountains of gold, and tomorrow, Guaidó will come to power on the wings of a tomahawk, and investment will be over.

Over the past decades, Venezuela has been able to build a fairly extensive air defense system.

Which is only enough to repel aggression from neighbors like Colombia or Brazil, but is absolutely insufficient for anything serious.

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They also have very fertile land.

Which is absolutely not enough even to feed its own small population.

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Most of the territory is jungle, part of which is being cleared for plantations.

A third of the territory consists of waterlogged lowlands and swamps, a third consists of hard-to-reach highlands, the lands are mostly poor, requiring a lot of fertilizer and expensive reclamation work.

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Livestock farming is highly profitable, as is poultry farming.

Both require grain, which Venezuela imports. Livestock farming cannot be highly profitable with imported feed.

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And yes, the entire coastline is a resort.

To develop tourism, it is necessary to build first-class infrastructure, and this, again, requires a ton of money and experienced curators.

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The country requires a well-designed development program based on its own strengths.

Which never existed and is unlikely to ever exist. Even in their most blessed years, they were hooked on oil, mindlessly squandering their excess profits, and neglected to develop national science, education, or industrialization.

[bayard]

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Today Maduro promises mountains of gold, and tomorrow Guaido will come to power on the wings of tomahawks, and hello to investments.

Well, let's accept Venezuela into the Union State and develop and invest in it as our own. It's a joke, but with a grain of salt.

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Their exploration, production, and processing require enormous resources and a large number of qualified personnel. Venezuela has neither.

The USSR had even less in the 20s. However, Stalin's Bolsheviks and the Slavophiles who joined them, in the space of 10 years of industrialization, collectivization, the eradication of illiteracy, and other social and economic reforms, lifted the USSR from its meager status to the Second World Economy by the end of 1940! Having surpassed Germany, England, and France in economic potential, leaving only the United States ahead. The starting conditions were even worse, the climate simply incomparable. Society after the Civil War and the rampage of Trotskyist commissars was simply a long way from consolidation and solidarity. But they managed it. And they won WWII, and after it, the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) created the World Socialist System, a system of international settlements outside the dollar, the world's most powerful army, the most advanced science, were the first to enter space, and, during the period when the Bolshevik-Slavophile tandem ruled the country and the economy, enjoyed the highest rates of development. Which no one, including China, has been able to replicate or even approach.

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They also have very fertile land.
Which is absolutely not enough even to feed its own small population.

It's from laziness. The people living at the equator are generally lazy – the climate has spoiled them. Clearing the jungle for plantations, carrying out land reclamation work, draining swamps where necessary, planting fruit and nut orchards and groves on terraces in the foothills, starting cocoa and coffee plantations – the climate and the soil are conducive. It's summer all year round, and they starve from laziness.

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A third of the territory consists of waterlogged lowlands and swamps, a third consists of hard-to-reach highlands, the lands are mostly poor, requiring a lot of fertilizer and expensive reclamation work.

And someone said that they have unemployment there... They don’t want to try Roosevelt’s methods in the 30s for clearing the jungle, land reclamation work, planting orchards, nut plantations, cocoa and coffee plantations, growing vegetables year-round in the soil. So as not to rely on oil alone. So as to feed themselves, and import grain at the expense of exporting nuts, cocoa, coffee and fruits. And they themselves can eventually get into grain growing. Like before in Egypt (in a different climate), they can have three harvests a year. They can cover all their imports only by exporting food, and specialized and expensive ones at that. And oil and the proceeds from it are for development, for infrastructure, for investments in the future. The climate there is heavenly. Just put your hands and head there and rivers of honey will flow.

Quote: FIR FIR

Quote: bayard
Livestock farming is highly profitable, as is poultry farming.
Both require grain, which Venezuela imports.

There are green feeds all year round!! With all the vitamins and microelements, and not just fiber and carbohydrates from cereal seeds.
Marshy lowlands mean an abundance of water. Proper reclamation, including draining swamps and cultivating ponds and artificial lakes for industrial fish farming, is crucial. In such a climate, fish will grow and reproduce like crazy. That's how you get a constant supply of fresh fish on the table.

Quote: FIR FIR

Livestock farming cannot be highly profitable with imported feed.

And on your own green ones it’s quite possible.
Both livestock and poultry farming.
And fish farming.

Quote: FIR FIR

To develop tourism, it is necessary to build first-class infrastructure, and this, again, requires a ton of money and experienced curators.

Of course. But not to use this potential is a sin.
Before Crimea became a national health resort, it was also a so-so place – a depressed region of the Empire. But since they started focusing on resorts to improve people's health, the entire Southern Coast of Crimea lives solely on vacationers and tourists. And the people on the Southern Coast are also lazy. Like Venezuelans.

Quote: FIR FIR

Even in their most blessed years, they were hooked on oil, stupidly squandering their super-profits, and did not bother about the development of national science and education, or industrialization.

Here I am about that.
Otherwise it turns out like in that joke: "The suicide note of a deceased tourist group - "Died of hunger. They took canned food, but forgot the can opener."
The US has spoiled them, hooked them on their food, their goods, saying that for your oil you will have everything anyway. Hugo Chavez wanted industrialization... But he didn't have time. And only the USSR could honestly and conscientiously help with this. Neither the US, nor China, nor the Russian Federation are interested in industrial Venezuela. They want to sell their goods, export cheap resources. The worse the country's economy is, the cheaper you can export all sorts of things from it. But I'm talking about a completely different approach.

[Anglorussian]

Should Venezuelan ladies also be monetized on the foreign market? ?

[vadim dok]

You are mistaken, it was not the "mattress makers" who robbed the country, but Chavez, Maduro and company who robbed the country since 2002.

[parma]

The questions immediately arise:
1) What should I send? Do I have any available resources?
2) How to ship? The other end of the world, right next to the US.
3) If Venezuela is a rich country, why then is there hunger, poverty and horrific crime?
4) Does China really need it? For China, the US is its main and most desirable partner.

[red-eye]

. Questions immediately arise:
1) What should I send? Do I have any available resources?

Eric Prince with his academy

[dimon642]

How they helped Iran right next door, and Venezuela is God knows where, but we have Admiral Nakhimov, he will disperse everyone in proud solitude.

[bayard]

Quote: dimon642

but we have Admiral Nakhimov, he will disperse everyone in proud solitude.

Why alone? China has three aircraft carriers, India two. They could certainly dispatch a strike group to one. And we have a couple of frigates and a group of Yasen missiles. And a battalion of marines. We can't disperse them all, but we could easily start a new Cuban Missile Crisis.

Quote: dimon642

How Iran was helped on its doorstep

They helped a lot - the war ended in 12 days. Iran has come to its senses, is shedding its illusions, and is buying up aircraft and air defense systems like crazy. So everything is fine with Iran.
Venezuela is next. But if we organize a joint demarche in its defense, then maybe we'll just stomp around with our fleets in the Caribbean and resolve everything peacefully, without breaking any dishes. But here, more depends on China's resolve. They have an ocean-going fleet, and we can support them with our submarine fleet. If the Nakhimov were already operational and ready for deployment, we could send it there as part of a joint force. But for now, let China fork out the cash and take the risk – they invested in Venezuela, and they have to protect their investments. And to make things less scary, we and India could join in too. To defuse the conflict.
Then the world will forget about Europe, Ukraine, and Israel for a while. And we'll even act as mediators in the negotiations. Another reason for Trump to meet with Putin. To fly to Vladivostok to visit us. Or to Moscow. He hasn't been to Moscow for a long time, he probably misses it.

[shocktrooper]

Quote: bayard

China has three aircraft carriers, India has two. They can certainly dispatch a strike group to one of them.

Yeah, lol, the Chinese and Indians, at the mere call of a great geostrategist, will rush arm in arm to fight their main trading partner, who brings them a ton of money for the sake of an impoverished country whose only valuable commodity is oil... Yeah, if only they had a similar country right next door from which they could pump hydrocarbons on the cheap...

[bayard]

Quote: shocktrooper

Yeah, lol, the Chinese and Indians, at the call of the great geostrategist, will rush arm in arm to fight their main trading partner,

Well, this was written with a good dose of humor, because without creating some kind of pro-Venezuelan coalition, stopping the rampaging "great again" will be difficult. Read the whole text, you'll understand what I mean. We simply have nothing to interfere with today, and our own war is raging. Therefore, the only real help/support is by creating a coalition. Not arm in arm with an elephant and a panda at the call of the Bear, but at the request of the Venezuelan leadership and people. They have an interest there. Staking out resources there in exchange for assistance could prove quite interesting for India, too.
But here's another piece of news today: Maduro signed a Strategic Partnership Agreement with Russia, ratified by parliament. We don't know the contents of this agreement's articles, but if it's like the one with North Korea... That's much more interesting.
This certainly doesn't add to our capabilities, but... options are emerging. Especially if the Chinese support such a project with funding. Kim Jong-un's fighters could be involved. A regional coalition of "Bolivarian republics" could also emerge. But much also depends on behind-the-scenes negotiations, consultations, and agreements.
On the other hand, the Russian vertical and the political doctrine of Venezuela and Cuba are ideological antagonists. So anything can happen. And, I repeat, much now depends on China's position.

[shocktrooper]

The paperwork of such agreements is only as good as the number of bayonets and ships you have there. Otherwise, see the example of Syria or Libya. Russia is in no position to provide any serious assistance there; all that remains is the people of the US, who in many ways are far from eager for another "imperialist" war, and China, which does have some business interests there and can diplomatically intimidate Trump. However, if Trump himself risks everything and his Nobel Prize for "world peace" and goes ahead with a military conflict, there's no point in expecting any little green men or CPSU troops, much less any coalitions. You clearly have a very poor understanding of Venezuela's relations with its neighbors. The only hope is that this banana dictator of ours can repeat the feat of Ho Chi Minh, and not suffer the same fate as the Assad government or the pro-American government of Afghanistan and collapse in a couple of days.

[solar]

China has three aircraft carriers, India has two. They can certainly dispatch a strike group to one of them.

As if not against each other:((

[bayard]

That's exactly how they'll make peace. Nothing unites people like a common enemy and victory over him.

[solar]

There is still a need to figure out how much of it is an enemy and how much is a trading partner with whom they are not at war.

[bayard]

The trading partner itself is doing everything it can to minimize trade relations, slowing the pace of development and growth in the quality of their economies. The United States is behaving like an enemy toward these countries, and there are no prospects for the future—the United States will steadily reduce and curtail trade with these countries. Or rather, curtail imports from these countries. But in this case, these countries themselves have no need for American goods. They often buy them only to maintain at least some exports from the United States and preserve the American market.
But both of these countries need OIL.
But of course, these countries will not send any AUGs or naval units to the shores of Venezuela, and all this is a purely empirical consideration of possible course of events.
Today, only China can intervene with sufficient significance.
But on the other hand, our diplomatic activity in those Palestinian territories has intensified in recent days, with military and strategic partnership and cooperation agreements being signed. So perhaps there's something we're simply unaware of.

[vadim dok]

Just like they supported Iran (there was even some kind of agreement).

[English tarantas]

It might last longer if we and China support it.

It's no use.
A war that is obviously lost.
It is not difficult to simply count the number of air defense systems in Venezuela.
Considering that the best they have is 20 Su-30s and a few S-300s, which cannot be called outstanding air defense systems, the Americans will collapse this air defense system in no more than a week.
Not a single ship from China or Russia will even make it to Venezuela.
It will be possible, of course, to continue supporting all sorts of guerrillas in the jungle, but they will hardly be able to regain control of the country.

[TermNachTer]

There's no doubt that the mattress-laying ships will take out Venezuela's air defenses and air force. But what next? The troops aboard the ships are only sufficient for some localized operations, and even then, with no guarantee of success. Not to mention the prospect of interfering in Venezuela while dealing with the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, which could flare up at any moment in the Middle East, and Taiwan is still a possibility.

[Mazunga]

And you don't need to take him out, just buy some generals and they'll take out Maduro with their own bastards)) By the way, I think right now there's a bargaining going on, how much did the army help Assad)?

[TermNachTer]

Have you carefully studied the situation in Syria? There were generals there who were willing and able to restore order. But after the period of active fighting ended, they were pushed aside. Assad was repeatedly warned of the danger by both our side and the Persians. Why he didn't take any action is a question for him.

[red-eye]

Well, it all boils down to the discussions of 12 about how Russia chose the wrong leader (if it even needed to bet on one). After all, at that time, part of the opposition (the ones that weren't ISIS or the Kurds) wasn't in favor of Russia and wasn't supported by the US and Turkey, and was open to cooperation with Russia. But unfortunately, history doesn't tolerate the subjunctive mood, even though everyone endlessly loves to argue and fantasize about it.

[vadim dok]

And also the "strongest" support from the Russian Federation.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: TermNachTER

What's next?

Then, 2-3 Marines, supported by 3-5 local mercenaries, will bring their puppet to the presidential palace, who will appear in the media, promising new reforms and better times. They'll throw a few dice (billions of dollars) to the plebs, and in a couple of years, the previous administration will be forgotten like an old dream.

[TermNachTer]

What if they can't deliver? Who knows what could happen along the way? I repeat, China is very interested in Venezuela and has invested a lot of money there. You think the Chinese will just give away their billions? They'll do the opposite, on principle. And the benefit is clear: the deeper Trump gets involved in Venezuela, the fewer resources he'll have for Taiwan. Afghanistan is a prime example.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: TermNachTER

What if they can't deliver?

Who's going to stop them? Do you think tens of thousands will head into the jungle and "derail enemy trains" there?

Quote: TermNachTER

China is very interested in Venezuela

It may be interested, but China doesn't have the guts to seriously compete with the US in its own backyard.

Quote: TermNachTER

You think the Chinese will just give away their billions.

What else can they do? Send their AUG to the Caribbean? Well, do not make me laugh.

Quote: TermNachTER

They will do the opposite on principle.

Come on, stop it. We need real opportunities, not principles and baseless desires.

Quote: TermNachTER

And the benefit is direct: the deeper Trump gets into Venezuela, the fewer resources he will have for Taiwan.

You won't have to go particularly deep there.

[TermNachTer]

1. To go into the jungle, you first have to lose the cities. Are 3 marines enough to take control of the entire country?
2. For now, I see that China is sticking to its guns and isn't particularly worried about US displeasure.
3. They don't need to send a strike group to the Caribbean. They just need to be supplied with money, weapons, and equipment, plus satellite reconnaissance (I think they're already providing that information).
4. Yeah, that's what they thought in 2001, too. And in the end, it took 20 years and $2 trillion.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: TermNachTER

Are 3 marines enough to take control of the entire country?

Give some money to the local "princes" and in a week or two they will gather their armies (gangs) that will start "appealing to constitutional order" even more than their own interventionists.

Quote: TermNachTER

China is pushing its own line

What did China do when Israeli-American bombs were falling on Iranian soil? Iranian oil accounts for 15% of China's oil imports (or half of Russia's). How much did Chinese companies contribute when they were battering Libya, considering there was considerable investment there?

Quote: TermNachTER

It is enough for them to be given money, weapons and equipment + satellite reconnaissance (I think they are already providing information).

Money is good. What kind of weapons? Long-range anti-aircraft missile systems? And how long will training take?

[TermNachTer]

1. These gangs gathered and then scattered at the first sign of danger. Planning an operation on such a shaky foundation is best not started at all.
2. Planes and trains from China to Iran were constantly flying, as were trucks from Pakistan. And intelligence information, too. Did Iran hold out when the entire collective West was working on it?
3. Actually, Venezuela already has Chinese radars and other equipment. So, they just need to increase their supplies.

[red-eye]

. did the entire collective West work according to it?

The collective West (125 US aircraft, of which only 7 bombers, a couple of US ships, and a medium-sized Middle Eastern state)

Iran stood firm.

endured

[red-eye]

And the benefit is direct: the deeper Trump gets involved in Venezuela, the fewer resources he'll have for Taiwan. Afghanistan is a prime example.

I'm not the smartest kid in the family, but what's a clear example of Afghanistan? Did China gain anything from it or did the US lose anything (other than military bases, of which there are quite a few in the region)?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: FIR FIR

They'll throw a few bones (billions of greenbacks) to the plebs, and in a couple of years the previous administration will be forgotten like an old dream.

No... in those parts, the movement of armed regime change is a national custom. Either the money runs out, or someone decides they haven't been given a fair share, and yesterday's stronghold of power suddenly becomes a fiery revolutionary.
The revolution has a beginning - the revolution has no end.

[FIR FIR]

Quote: Alexey RA

Or the money will run out

If they've wasted a couple of trillions on distant and little-known Afghanistan, they won't be too stingy with a country that's close and of considerable interest. Those who need it will be given a lift, those who don't will be sent on their final journey.

[TermNachTer]

There's no such money anymore, and in Afghanistan there was all sorts of evil, but here I'll have to pull it off alone.

[red-eye]

For Russia, this won't be very pleasant, but for the non-United States, falling into bondage (with wounded national pride and unprofitable but significant oil contracts) to the United States might not be so bad than continuing to live under sanctions and a less than stellar regime with partners/allies overseas (we're not taking useless Cuba into account).

[3x3zsave]

For a non-Uela, falling into bondage (with wounded national pride and unprofitable but significant oil contracts) to the United States might not be so bad than continuing to live under sanctions and a not very decent regime with partners/allies across the ocean (we don't take useless Cuba into account)
Bravo!

[red-eye]

Listen, how is the US army involved in this conflict (in/on Ukraine)? And it seems that, apart from enriching the military-industrial complex and providing intelligence (and propaganda), they don't accept participation in this; the coalition doesn't ask anyone who wants to participate. Venezuela could be a great company, both from a military standpoint (the forces are incomparable) and from a media standpoint (the neighboring South Americans and the EU see Maduro as a problem, and Venezuela as the equivalent of Russian oil during a regime change). Putting aside the hurrah of patriotism and the dew of God.

[vadim dok]

And also Iran's air defense (much more powerful) will be destroyed VERY quickly.

[severok1979]

They also wrote about Iran, saying that its air defenses were mediocre, but when it came to airstrikes, they were completely invisible and unheard of. I predict the Americans want and will continue to attack Venezuela's oil industry, and perhaps even fire a few missiles at the presidential palace as a symbolic PR gesture. Everything else is just a search for pretexts and justifications for aggression.

[Bongo]

Venezuelan Air Defense

A much more interesting, reliable and detailed publication could have been made on this topic!

[3x3zsave]

Hello, Sergey!
I suggest you review the armed forces of South American countries.

[Bongo]

Anton, hello!

Quote: 3x3zsave

I suggest you review the armed forces of South American countries.

Venezuela is one of the most interesting countries in terms of air defense; I have already written about the country's Air Force, although that was back in 2014.

"Venezuela's Rebel Air Force". Dedicated to the memory of Comandante Hugo Chavez.

https://topwar.ru/40770-myatezhnaya-aviaciya-venesuely-pamyati-komendante-ugo-chavesa-posvyaschaetsya.html
There's not much to write about the air forces and air defenses of other South American countries. Perhaps Brazilian antiques are of interest.

[parma]

To be honest, Sergey, when I saw the title, I thought it was your work 😅

[3x3zsave]

The style of presentation is different and the work is 3 times smaller in volume.

[Bongo]

Quote: parma

To be honest, Sergey, when I saw the title, I thought it was your work 😅

In all fairness, two or three much more comprehensive publications could be written about Venezuela's air defense and air force. Unfortunately, this author skimmed the surface and occasionally misrepresented the facts.

[TermNachTer]

The entire article, including illustrations, was "stolen" from Telegram.

[Bongo]

Quote: TermNachTER

The entire article, including illustrations, was "stolen" from Telegram.

Are you referring to this article by Ryabov? As far as I know, articles are reviewed for originality before being published on VO.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, they're checking. I've already told the editor-in-chief several times)) for which I've been stripped of the right to post my materials here.

[Bongo]

Quote: TermNachTER

Yeah, they're checking. I've already told the editor-in-chief several times)) for which I've been stripped of the right to post my materials here.

My condolences! We checked earlier.

[TermNachTer]

Once, someone pointed out to me that my article wasn't original. I confess. I was too lazy to write the general section, so I simply "lifted" it from Wikipedia and added my own—the introduction and summary. They pointed this out to me and I rewrote it. But then I started paying attention to other authors' articles. I pointed out to Smirnov a couple of times that the articles were "continuously drawn out" from the first to the last word, with the title and illustrations replaced. After that, they banned me from posting them; I'm surprised they didn't block it altogether.

[sagitovich]

There is a shortage of coastal anti-ship missiles, such as "Onyx" and "Yakhont".
It would be a good idea to test hypersonics against US naval groups.

[Luminman]

Quote: sagitovich

There is a shortage of coastal anti-ship missiles

I remember we had this in service (and it even seems to still have it) Bastion coastal missile systemIt would seriously complicate the work of carrier-based aviation and prevent missile and landing ships from getting close to the shore. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding the purpose of this system...

[tsvetahaki]

It's like deja vu.
Articles about the air defense of Syria, Iraq, Iran... Now Venezuela, which, of course, inflicted crushing losses on the aggressor.

[Vadim S]

All these numbers mean something, of course, but as recent history has shown, ground agents cause enormous damage to any system. The United States has simply flooded every country on its borders with its agents, especially in areas that are about to be invaded. I think a drone scenario is quite likely, and all these radars or the substations powering them will be destroyed at the right moment. There are no illusions here; the country next to the US will fall very quickly.

[dragon772]

China and Russia can help their brotherly people to ensure that the air strikes against Yugoslavia in 1999 do not happen again.

[Winnie76]

Looking at our brothers today... Or maybe the defeat of Yugoslavia was a positive chapter in history. And we should have given Yugoslavia some kudos. To help our brotherly American people.

[Owl]

Unfortunately, the aforementioned land-based air defense systems and fighter aircraft are extremely vulnerable to combined attacks from sabotage and reconnaissance groups, aircraft, and land-based (ship-based) guided missiles. The "human factor"—treason—cannot be ruled out either. Russia is currently unable to deploy and maintain a naval strike force off the coast of Venezuela, as the deployment of naval ships helped stop China's aggression against Vietnam in 1979. One can only hope that the political and economic escalation of military action, from isolated strikes (reconnaissance and testing) to full-scale aggression, is politically and economically inadvisable for "peacemaker" Trump.

[23ronin]

I support your opinion, but it's worth adding that the pro-American "democratic" elite of Venezuelan society dreams of American governance and the dollar as its currency. We shouldn't forget that "democracy" is a toy for the patricians, while its results are a concern for the plebeians, as has always been the case throughout history, regardless of country or people.

[red-eye]

In terms of naval capabilities, Russia is currently incapable of much (scaring Somali pirates, firing at ISIS from the Syrian coast, tolerating Ukrainian drones in port, or ensuring the combat readiness of its submarines in the North Atlantic and Arctic).

[Anthony]

1. They will be broken quickly.
2. We can only help nominally, and even then, only if there is political will and they let us in at all.
3. China will get off with a conviction and humanitarian aid.

[red-eye]

We can only help nominally, and even then, only if there is political will and they let us in at all.

We express our strong protest and deep concern over the US involvement in the Venezuelan crisis.

[Ryazan87]

Well, Venezuela's air defenses would be worth something against neighboring countries. Against the Americans, no. They'll be fine in a month or two, without breaking a sweat.

[Kostadinov]

Venezuela needs UAVs today. The distance from Caracas to Washington is 3300 km. And from the nearest regions to the US coastline is even shorter. They don't need to ship finished products; they need help producing them locally.
This will be the best response from Western deliveries to Kyiv.

[Kostadinov]

No complex and expensive air defense systems are needed—they can be quickly suppressed. Only passive sensors and short-range systems to intercept cruise missiles and guided munitions close to the protected facilities.
This worked well in Iran.

[Kostadinov]

And it will add UAVs and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to attack American ships. Existing light aircraft or older fighters can also be used as UAVs. If the US ships are shot down, the worst-case scenario is that they will expend their air defense missiles.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

It'll be like Iraq in 1991, or Iran in 2025. No one will send in planes right away. They'll take everything out with missiles, backed by electronic warfare, and then they'll continue with targeted bombing.

[P]

A US-Venezuela war will take place alongside the wars in Ukraine and Karabakh. A country with satellite and radio reconnaissance capabilities and its own long-range drones will be able to dismantle any air defense without a second thought. Afterward, systematic destruction and likely genocide will follow, without any ground forces. The alternative is to deploy long-range and anti-space forces from third countries, with a swift and brutal demonstration of the cost of war for the military machine and for the lives and health of decision-makers. In the first hours, strike aircraft carriers with long-range weapons, mine shipping lanes close to the US, begin destroying the US satellite constellation, and conduct operations against the US military-political leadership.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Pandemic

A US-Venezuela war will take place alongside the wars in Ukraine and Karabakh. A country with satellite and radio reconnaissance capabilities and long-range drones will be able to dismantle any air defense system without a doubt.

There's no "disassembly" of air defenses in Ukraine. The same hasn't happened in Yemen or Iran. Air defenses are operational and shooting down UAVs, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, guided bombs, etc.

[Pavel57]

The author got something mixed up:
F-16A fighters can carry a number of American-made air-to-air missiles. The main types of munitions are the short-range AIM-9 and medium-range AIM-7 missiles.
AIM-7 was not specified for the F-16A.

The Su-30MKV did not have the R-37M, perhaps they were talking about the R-77.

[Comet_1]

The S-300VM division includes 9S15M and 9S19M2 circular and sector-based surveillance radars, a command post, and up to six launchers carrying two or four missiles each.

Venezuela has the Antey-2500, not the S-300VM. The Antey-2500 SAM system includes 9S15ME and 9S19ME circular and sector-surveillance radars, a 9S457ME command post, and up to four SAM systems consisting of:
- MSNR 9S32M;
- up to six 9A83ME launchers with four 9M83ME SAMs and up to six 9A82ME anti-aircraft missile launchers with two 9M82ME SAMs (9M82MDE if the SAM system is modified according to the customer's request). Each 9A82ME anti-aircraft missile launcher is installed to the left of one of the 9A83ME launchers at a distance, if I remember correctly, no more than two meters and is connected to the launcher via a cable.

[acetophenone]

It's funny and sad to read all this today...