How would you respond to attacks on the Chusosnabarm and Chekvalap oil refineries?

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How would you respond to attacks on the Chusosnabarm and Chekvalap oil refineries?
The Ilsky Oil Refinery near Krasnodar is on fire after an impact. droneI remember well how five years ago I was taught that this would not happen because it would never happen.


In connection with the topic "wars of strangulation" and the attacks on our oil refineries, which have already led to a fuel shortage, I recalled events from long ago. Specifically, two articles devoted to the fuel issue in the context of a major war. The first: "We've already lost the world war. But maybe there's still a chance?", dedicated primarily to the pyrolysis plant created by Sergei Ivanovich Lavrov (Honorary Miner of the USSR Ministry of Coal Industry, three degrees of the "Miner's Glory" badge, etc.; incidentally, he died in January 2025). Release date: August 26, 2019. Second: "How long will Russia have enough oil products in the event of a major war?", devoted to calculating how long existing petroleum product reserves would last if an adversary launched a simultaneous attack on the entire oil refining system. Release date: September 3, 2019.



Reading the comments from that time now brings me a malicious pleasure. In both articles, the commentators arrogantly lectured me: there won't be any major war, because there never will be. So how do you pour your arrogance into the tanks now, raw or leaded?

Actually, that's exactly how I thought it would turn out. First there'll be this arrogance, then war, and then, after the strikes on the refineries, there'll be concern and unrest. Oh, come on, it turns out we're running out of gasoline and diesel fuel! What should we do?

The first thing I'd advise is to stop yelling! Screaming and throwing tantrums won't make the gas go up.

Yes, time has been lost. In recent years, especially before the SVO, this issue could have been resolved with virtually no government subsidies, using purely legislative and administrative methods—simply permitting and easing small-scale oil refining within certain limits, under specific agreements with large companies, as an area of ​​small and medium-sized businesses. This was not done. Now, resolving the issue will require greater effort, expenditure, and, most importantly, a targeted approach.

To avoid getting up twice, as the Soviet economic experience of the Civil War, which I once studied to understand the starting conditions of Stalin's industrialization, shows, in a critical situation one absolutely must not give in to panic and hysteria. One must sit down and calmly consider a solution to the problem at hand. There is usually time for this, and it must be spent wisely.

Only dispersal


The main thing is to choose which way to go. This is why it's important to consider the matter silently, since during hysteria and panic, people often force a solution that seems effective and life-saving by using loud voices and theatrical flourishes. It's often easier to give in to hysteria than to resist it, unless you're given the right to use a gun at your own discretion and without warning.

A seemingly effective solution is the requirement to cover the refineries with funds Defense/BMD. Why is it seemingly effective? First, any air defense/missile defense system can be overwhelmed by the sheer number of weapons. Second, the enemy may switch to weapons that are more difficult to intercept; this factor becomes increasingly important if the war continues. Third, there's the possibility of a nuclear strike, against which existing missile defense systems are of questionable effectiveness. Fourth, there's the problem of using existing air defense/missile defense systems, which are not infinite. By using them to protect an oil refinery, wouldn't we be opening something critically important to attack?

Thus, shutting down refineries can only be considered a means of alleviating the situation somewhat. If there's a way to shut down something, it's better to shut down refineries producing rare but essential petroleum products that are difficult to replace.

In general, it is better to take the position that if the war continues, large oil refineries will most likely be completely or partially disabled sooner or later.

Therefore, the solution is small and extremely small refineries that can be dispersed, camouflaged, or immediately placed in protected bunkers. The Germans made an unforgivable mistake before the war. They dispersed and hid petroleum storage facilities in concrete bunkers, and the Allies failed to bomb most of these depots, and some were only discovered after the war. But synthetic fuel plants were built as enormous complexes without any protection. They began building small refineries hidden in caves and mines at the very end of the war and barely managed to complete any of them. Having lost their large synthetic fuel plants, the Germans suffered defeat.

We shouldn't repeat the mistakes of others. The dispersal of oil refining should be addressed at the start of the war, if we didn't bother to do it before.

A little bit of Soviet experience of the Civil War


How would this problem have been solved based on the Soviet experience, for example, during the Civil War? This experience is interesting because the RSFSR persevered and prevailed despite an extremely severe shortage of oil and petroleum products. We must learn from those who succeeded, not from those who loudly proclaim their own "competence."

When economic issues arose, the Bolsheviks began creating commissions that would assume control over a particular industry producing a particular product. The first such commissions were Tsentromylo and Tsentrochai, established in January 1918. They were created within the framework of the Supreme Council of the National Economy, established slightly earlier, which managed them on behalf of the Council of People's Commissars.


The Council of People's Commissars or the Central Executive Committee... It's good practice to hang the Constitution of the RSFSR on the wall.

A commission typically consisted of 3-5 to 10-15 people (if larger, the commission was divided into subcommittees, which soon formed independent commissions), all of whom were necessarily experts in the industry they were to lead. In the old days, this was easier, since most engineers had both excellent theoretical training and solid industrial experience. Nowadays, science has become separated from technology: scientists are typically unfamiliar with industrial technologies and lack experience, while industrial technologists are typically knowledgeable only about their own technology. Therefore, recruiting personnel can be challenging, and some commissions may therefore be ineffective.

The commission, drawing on the knowledge and experience of its members, first conducted the broadest possible inventory of the industry: factories, locations, equipment, capacity, special conditions and needs, raw material availability; which were better, which less so. Product needs in this industry were also considered, and attempts were made to invite representatives of large retailers with in-depth knowledge of sales to the commission. Once capacity, raw materials, and needs were understood, it was possible to manage the industry: assigning tasks, issuing shipping orders, etc.

There were often commissions that had to create industries practically from scratch. So, what did Tsentrogvozd do in 1919? It organized the collection of scrap metal, even the most worthless for melting, and equipped numerous forges to forge nails. Incidentally, these were primarily horseshoe nails, since without horse shoeing, the 1st Cavalry Army under Comrade Budyonny couldn't advance anywhere.

There were also emergency commissions that were supposed to ensure the fulfillment of certain tasks at any cost and at the expense of everyone else. This included, for example, Chusosnabarm—the extraordinary commissioner of the Council of Workers' and Peasants' Defense for the supply of the Red Army and fleet, who headed all rear-echelon organs of the People's Commissariat of Defense and the Army. This was Comrade Rykov. But in 1920, Chekvalap—the Extraordinary Commission for the Production and Distribution of Felt Boots and Bast Shoes—was created, headed by Comrade Yakhontov and subordinate to the Chusosnabarm. Incidentally, a craftsman's refusal to fulfill an order for felt boots or bast shoes was then considered desertion.


This photo could be from that era. The guy on the left is wearing a leather jacket, felt boots, and good galoshes; the man in the center, likely demobilized from the army, is wearing boots; the old man on the right, likely a craftsman, is wearing his own boots.


The famous photograph of the Red Army in 1920. Leather was so scarce that the Red infantry had to march in bast shoes.

Haven't reached Chekvalap yet? Then you're still living pretty well.

Despite the daunting staffing levels and horrific bureaucracy, this system was able to address military and economic challenges. Incidentally, the Bolsheviks were neither the pioneers nor even the sole architects of such a military and economic administrative system. Similar economic management systems were created in all major belligerent countries during World War I. Of all the foreign analogues, the American system most closely resembled the Bolshevik system.

Testing and planning


If you need to set up a small-scale oil refining operation on a decent scale, and according to my calculations, Russia needs at least 180 million tons of dispersed, sheltered, and supplied oil refining raw materials, then you need to start with a commission.

The commission should first review the existing mini-refineries. As a review of advertisements shows, we have some very good units. For example, a mini-refinery with a gasoline capacity of up to 1,8 cubic meters per hour can be installed on a three-ton truck. A modular design allows for the creation of more powerful plants, such as a 50-ton-per-year (136,9 tons per day) refinery consisting of five units, three of which process gasoline fractions and two process diesel. The remaining fuel oil can be processed in another unit.

You can find dozens, if not hundreds, of such offers, both Russian and international. But everything needs to be tested.


Here's one such proposal. It looks good, but how it works in practice remains to be seen.

And not only because manufacturers often sell a "pig in a poke," but also because it's important to know the specific capabilities of a given unit, how much product it produces, whether that product can be used as fuel without additional purification and processing, how labor-intensive it is to maintain, whether there are any "tricks," how many workers are needed, and what their qualifications are. The latter is a significant factor, since large-scale small-scale oil refining requires training personnel from scratch.

The units are purchased, transported to a site, assembled, and put through their paces. This testing ground can then be used as a training center.

This is necessary to select the simplest, most economical, easiest to manufacture and maintain, yet still productive unit. There may be two or three good types with varying power outputs.

Once you have a facility and know exactly what it will take to start up and how much product it will produce, you can plan and implement the development of small-scale distributed oil refining. It's clear that this will primarily be built along oil pipelines, in production areas, especially around small, marginal wells. Many of these wells are currently closed due to serious difficulties transporting the oil, let alone feeding it into the pipeline. Small-scale refining will allow them to operate. Information about these wells needs to be collected and taken into account in planning.

The commission should also look into the pyrolysis liquid obtained from the pyrolysis of garbage and other organic waste. Many people have worked on this, including the late Lavrov, but I've never heard of anyone making gasoline or diesel fuel from pyrolysis liquid. It's definitely possible, but we need to test it and see how much product is produced, what its quality is (the same as petroleum gasoline or different), and whether it can be used directly as fuel, without purification. Then, landfills, which are vast and almost impossible to survey, will be added to the fuel supply.

To achieve a total capacity of 180 million tons in 10-ton per year blocks, 18 such blocks are needed. The commission will need to establish their continuous production and supply it with metal (this isn't that difficult, as the metallurgy industry currently has excess smelting and is largely producing for storage). There will also be a great deal of administrative work related to permits, licenses, paperwork, subsidies, benefits, and so on. Therefore, the commission will quickly acquire a large staff and become something akin to a ministry, as has happened in other military-economic administrative systems.

By creating such a small, distributed oil refinery, which can be partially mobile on trucks or semi-trailers, and partially housed in bunkers, underground mines, and other shelters, there's no longer any fear of a fuel collapse. You can't impress anyone with so many installations— missiles It won't be enough. And the missile costs a lot more than the damaged mini-refinery, and it's not even about the money, but the natural resources and labor expended on the missile. Let him spend it if he wants.

The Soviet experience during the Civil War, besides being interesting and sometimes amusing in itself, is valuable because it provides a proven algorithm for solving complex military and economic problems with non-obvious solutions.
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  1. +7
    7 October 2025 03: 32
    Biysk has been experiencing problems with gasoline since the weekend.
    1. +31
      7 October 2025 05: 06
      Reading this nonsense is like China's "Great Leap Forward" with its iron smelting in peasant yards, and the defense of objects, which has repeatedly and constantly proven its strategic fallacy and tactical inconsistency, is like fighting sparrows in the same PRC, with brooms...

      We've come this far!!!

      Without destroying wasp nests, on-site wasp control is, as folklore would have it, a multi-layered and convoluted approach... after all, the area of ​​potential damage from drones is proportional to the square of the distance from the launch point.

      Medinsky's words in May 2025, that Russia could continue "fighting like this for another 20 years," are a mockery of the aspirations of Russian citizens by a particularly cynical bureaucrat in the guise of a statist, and a direct insult to the lives of Russians of all nationalities in the New Regions... and the frontline Kursk and Belgorod regions... and...

      Perhaps moonshine stills can be adapted - after all, every Russian is intuitively familiar with the principles of rectification, the complex effect of pressure and temperature on raw material, and the length and material of the coil - ethanol, my friends - that's what Comrade Author meant!!!

      An outstanding Soviet manager, whom I had the honor of greeting in 69 on the Riga Seaside, said and demanded, “Don’t tell me what is, but tell me what WILL BE.”


      Bravissimo!!
      1. +31
        7 October 2025 06: 33
        It seems to me that this situation with the refineries is just a figment of my imagination. It's an indicator of the appalling level of management decisions and the dismal level of situational analysis. Talking about the plundering of moonshine refineries is strange because it doesn't take into account the deplorable level of management. In short, the enemy is waging war on us with the North-Eastern Front and is hammering Kursk and Belgorod, while in Kyiv there are dancing and concerts, and in Lviv there are dancing and concerts.
        1. +21
          7 October 2025 08: 45
          Quote: saigon
          the deplorable level of management is not taken into account

          That's right. This is the main factor of difficulties today, but we shouldn't forget the system,
          The system they're embedded in also plays both a positive and negative role in the final outcome. I think Stalin's managers would have been shocked by attempts to extract a kickback for some action. And in the current system, this is practically the main incentive for action.
          1. +12
            7 October 2025 08: 59
            Quote: multicaat
            I think Stalin's managers would have been shocked by attempts to extract a kickback for some action.

            The systems are different: socialism and capitalism, which is based on making a profit.
            1. +6
              7 October 2025 09: 03
              All systems ultimately come down to the overall overhead costs of maintaining the system.
              From economics lessons, the USSR at one point achieved only 7% of such expenses, the market capitalist system is estimated at 20+ percent of overhead costs.
              Analysts estimate that today's Russian Federation spends between 40 and 70% of its overhead costs.
              Kaiser's Germany is considered the standard - they talk about 5% overhead costs for the system's operation, but I think there is some disingenuousness here.
              1. 0
                8 October 2025 00: 05
                Quote: multicaat
                Analysts estimate that today's Russian Federation spends between 40 and 70% of its overhead costs.

                It's become fashionable for large government agencies to duplicate accounting reports. Some believe this sometimes makes non-production costs twice as high as production costs.
                1. +2
                  8 October 2025 09: 04
                  Overhead costs are a multi-stage process. Taxes, personnel, social conditions, corruption, monopoly overpayments, lobbying, kickbacks, defective product elimination, etc.
                  All of this results in indirect costs, which are then accounted for. Accounting expenses are simply lost in all of this as trivialities.
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2025 21: 11
                    Quote: multicaat
                    Accounting expenses will simply be lost in all this as small change.

                    Some time ago, I was at a nuclear industry facility. There, it took a whole day to get through the field and carry the necessary equipment. Delivering a cabinet to the work site there takes three days. As a result, it took a week to test the operation of a single-motor setup with disk-based sensors. At another plant, where there were no such redundant bureaucratic add-ons, installing and setting up a five-component dispenser took just one day. In reality, it took six hours.
                    Quote: multicaat
                    Taxes, personnel, social situation, corruption, monopoly overpayments, lobbying, kickbacks, liquidation of defective products, etc.

                    In reality, if any of the above is observed in the production process, it's simply the company owner generously paying parasites attached to his company instead of firing them. At Aleksandrov-1 station, there's a lavish advertisement for couplers and signalmen. As I understand it, the Russian Railways fund for this advertising is higher than the fund for signalmen and couplers' salaries.
                    1. 0
                      9 October 2025 09: 22
                      Well, that's a typical kickback system. Very often, when you see unexpected generosity, it's like that.
                      1. -2
                        9 October 2025 17: 36
                        Quote: multicaat
                        Well, this is a typical rollback system.

                        The problem is that government agencies spend their money inappropriately. But senior management benefits nothing from kickbacks paid to advertise low-paying jobs in the Vladimir region and has a vested interest in reducing kickbacks to mid-level managers. But the very idea of ​​advertising public transport jobs would be impossible if the pay were adequate.
            2. +7
              7 October 2025 09: 12
              It’s not that the systems are different, it’s that the Soviet and anti-Soviet people are fundamentally different in everything.
              1. +8
                7 October 2025 09: 19
                Quote: tatra
                It’s not that the systems are different, it’s that the Soviet and anti-Soviet people are fundamentally different in everything.

                That's true, but the Soviet people voted for Yeltsin and turned the Soviet people into anti-Soviet (in 1997, when Yeltsin was elected again, I got a good punch in the face for the "incorrectly" spoken words: "You're re-electing an alcoholic again.")
                1. -4
                  7 October 2025 11: 31
                  Ha, one of the main qualities of the anti-Soviet people is that they always cowardly shift blame and responsibility onto others for what they themselves have done, including their totally false, anti-Soviet Perestroika and everything they did during it, including shouting "Yeltsin, Yeltsin" at the top of their lungs. In August 1991, they ran to the White House to defend him, and in June 1991, they forced Yeltsin onto us as President.
              2. -2
                9 October 2025 17: 39
                Quote: tatra
                The Soviet and anti-Soviet people are fundamentally different in everything.

                Any anti-Soviet dreams of being worked for with socialist consciousness, as was the case in Stalin's and Khrushchev's times.
            3. +10
              7 October 2025 09: 54
              This isn't even capitalism. The main thing is to get it right. private pocket, profit aside.
          2. +16
            7 October 2025 09: 48
            Under Stalin, it was impossible to divert money from the economy to the private sector. It's as if the public sector and the public sector didn't intersect. So, first you had to steal a carload of canned goods or manufactured goods, then scrounge up and sell them through markets and stores, with the NKVD watching. And those caught were thrown into the wall or into the pine trees near Magadan. It's a lie, they tried and they caught them. So, most of the repressed fighters, like those with the red hair, were caught stealing and committing fraud. But then they were cobbled together as fighters and sufferers for the people, and so on and so forth—the word "liberal" is nonsense.
            1. 0
              9 October 2025 11: 40
              "Under Stalin, it was impossible to divert money from the economy to the private sector"? Are you serious? Looks like you haven't read Ilf and Petrov's "The Golden Calf"...
              1. 0
                9 October 2025 13: 23
                First, what time period does the book take place? And what's the recipe for siphoning cashless funds, so to speak, from the public sector into private pockets described there? The New Economic Policy (NEP) didn't affect the public sector in any way, by the way. The public sector is, well, cashless and doesn't offer cash-to-cash conversion options. Savings banks (like Sierbank, for instance) didn't accept cash. The only way to get money was by stealing and selling it. Robbing a store, a shop, or a savings bank is a criminal offense. Stealing a train car is particularly large-scale theft of social property, and the penalty can range from execution with a revolver. Or gnawing on dwarf pine trees in the camps.
                1. 0
                  26 October 2025 14: 54
                  The novel "The Golden Calf" takes place in 1930. Koreiko accumulated his money by participating in fraudulent schemes in previous years. This is important to know. "The New Economic Policy (NEP) didn't affect the public sector in any way. And the public sector, let's say, is cashless and doesn't have any cash-to-cash transfer options." Are you fucking serious? You need to read more. No need to thank me...
            2. 0
              9 October 2025 19: 10
              In the USSR, this was called "cashless." Factories and ships were built with cashless money. Under Gorbachev, it was allowed to be converted into cash, and the state became dramatically poorer.
        2. +20
          7 October 2025 09: 24
          Quote: saigon
          ...they're pounding Kursk and Belgorod, and in Kyiv there's dancing and concerts

          Haven't watched TV for a long time?
          We have just as many entertainment programs. If you don't watch the news, you'd never guess the country has been at war for four years.
          So, yes, somewhere people are dying, and somewhere all sorts of Malakhovs/Baskovs and other endless Bilanolazorevs are singing and dancing
          1. +2
            7 October 2025 09: 50
            You won't believe it, but I don't watch TV, and the singers you mentioned aren't interesting because pop music is out of the question.
            1. +7
              7 October 2025 09: 56
              Quote: saigon
              Believe it or not, I don't watch TV.

              Be logical)
              What are we talking about now? Do you watch TV, or don't you, or are we talking about, as they say, a feast during the plague?
              You probably don't watch Ukrainian television either, but you did write about dancing and concerts in Kyiv, right?
              1. +1
                7 October 2025 11: 23
                Well, the cart will help me. And it's not a feast during the plague, but the very possibility of throwing concerts with tambourines for the enemy.
            2. -3
              7 October 2025 13: 58
              Don't even watch TV on your computer? What about educational channels? There are plenty of them. You can watch them on TV (which is much more convenient and easier on the eyes), or through your computer or smartphone.
              1. 0
                7 October 2025 14: 44
                YouTube helps me even without a VPN, there are tons of electronic libraries.
                1. -2
                  7 October 2025 16: 52
                  Well, many YouTube videos are from television programs. And the most famous bloggers in many countries are invited to participate in television programs or even become their hosts. Nowadays, the line between the internet and television is generally very vague.
              2. 0
                8 October 2025 00: 12
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Don't even watch TV on the computer?

                I haven't turned on the television for about three years. During that time, I've watched about five newscasts online and fewer than ten movies from TV channels. Recently, I realized I've become somewhat disgusted by the series produced for Russian television, and after watching them, the only feeling I have is resentment toward everyone who works in modern Russian television. Even though I've watched movies made five years ago.
              3. +2
                8 October 2025 07: 56
                There are different programs to watch. News channels are definitely a good choice. Especially when someone appears who doesn't guarantee us anything.
                1. -2
                  9 October 2025 17: 44
                  Quote: dimon642
                  Especially when a person appears who guarantees us nothing.

                  Putin is actually very interesting to watch. He can captivate listeners on a computer screen just as well as Vance, Pugacheva, or Durov. It's also interesting to watch M. Zakharova, Lavrov, and Simonyan.
          2. +10
            7 October 2025 11: 35
            And all these years, my grandfather has been so happy, smiling, laughing, joking, constantly organizing “international forums,” as if nothing bad is happening to him.
          3. 0
            9 October 2025 09: 25
            About six months ago there was an episode when there was a large-scale landing in Odessa.
            At the time, a large-scale entertainment party "for the elite" was taking place there, like a disco in Ibiza. It didn't stop for a minute.
            Both Ukraine and Moscow are full of people who would happily throw a feast during the plague.
        3. 0
          7 October 2025 20: 02
          Quote: saigon
          It seems to me that this situation with the refineries is just a figment of my imagination. It's an indicator of the appalling level of management decisions and the dismal level of situational analysis. Talking about the plundering of moonshine refineries is strange because it doesn't take into account the deplorable level of management. In short, the enemy is waging war on us with the North-Eastern Front and is hammering Kursk and Belgorod, while in Kyiv there are dancing and concerts, and in Lviv there are dancing and concerts.

          18000 mini refineries will need "effective" managers. Lots of managers. So what will the fuel price be?
          Regarding underground shelters, I agree with the author: the experience of the Israeli-Iranian 12-day war proved the effectiveness of underground placement of production facilities and weapons.
          More tunnels, big, deep and long. good
      2. +3
        7 October 2025 07: 30
        Don't tell me what is, but tell me what WILL BE

        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      3. +3
        7 October 2025 13: 13
        All fuel companies need to be nationalized. These are strategic matters. I think everyone already understands that the profiteers and hucksters don't care about this. Military operations have already proven this.
        1. -3
          8 October 2025 00: 15
          Quote: Taimen
          All fuel companies must be nationalized.

          In reality, if they are not nationalized, they operate under strict state control.
      4. +1
        7 October 2025 16: 12
        Quote: Michael Drabkin
        Read this nonsense -
        Bravissimo!!



        I read your text as nonsense.
        Especially after first rereading Verkhoturov's 2019 article and the comments to it.
        That's why I read this article.
        And your comment.

        Your comment right now is complete nonsense.

        If you can look back and understand what really happened and what will happen.

        And you, with your nonsense, don’t understand anything at all.
      5. BAI
        +5
        7 October 2025 18: 44
        demanded "don't tell me what is, but tell me what WILL BE."

        A certain Rogozin, being the head of Roscosmos, constantly talked about what would happen.
        Which drove everyone crazy. Moreover, what had been was quickly falling apart.
      6. +1
        8 October 2025 09: 34
        Why is this nonsense? The article is perfectly reasonable, taking into account current realities—political, economic, and social. Is it nonsense that we'll instantly lose almost all refineries in the event of a major upheaval, even if it's spread out over time like now? And what does China have to do with its homegrown blast furnaces? Modern technology allows us to build quite high-quality mini refineries. And a modern pyrolysis plant for converting waste into fuel has long been built in Siberia. I personally like the author's idea because it would certainly undermine the monopoly of the fuel kings and lower fuel prices. Unless, of course, all sales are handed over to their greedy paws again...
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    2. 0
      7 October 2025 09: 13
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Biysk has been experiencing problems with gasoline since the weekend.

      The situation in Russia's coal industry continues to deteriorate, with 51 enterprises currently closed or on the verge of closure, according to Deputy Minister of Energy Dmitry Islamov. The Russian coal industry has plunged into crisis under the weight of high loan interest rates and Western sanctions. Slowing demand in China and falling prices have also played a role.

      "By the end of 2024, losses reached 112,6 billion rubles
      1. -4
        7 October 2025 12: 06
        Yes, coal mining should have stopped on such a large scale a long time ago.
        1. +2
          7 October 2025 12: 59
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          Yes, coal mining should have stopped on such a large scale a long time ago.

          But also with oil - a phrase from Dmitry Mendeleev: “Oil is not fuel, you can burn banknotes.”
          1. -4
            7 October 2025 13: 05
            Who needs coal on such a scale? That's why some regions were left to rely on coal to sustain the industry.
            1. +9
              7 October 2025 14: 50
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Who needs coal on such a scale?

              How can I tell you this without offending you? Coking coal is a metallurgy industry. Moreover, deep coal processing is akin to oil refining.
              You know, during the damned Yeltsin era, there was a "legalized" appropriation of national wealth and resources (belonging to everyone, the entire nation, the entire people). And no one intended to improve or automate production. Today, we're presented with some insane income for those in power, based on some "fake" shares, and they're paying out some kind of dividends from the national wealth for who knows what reason...
              What's with the coal? Who needs the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's birthday? Did anyone congratulate him sincerely, without flattery, without genuflection? No one... He doesn't even really have a family... Just some relatives...
              1. -8
                7 October 2025 15: 00
                Who is VGK? Enough coal is mined for metallurgy; we don't need half of what we have now. It's mostly used for heating and for sale abroad.
                1. +3
                  7 October 2025 15: 00
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  Who is VGK?

                  Putin... Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
                  1. -8
                    7 October 2025 15: 02
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    Who is VGK?

                    Putin... Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

                    GDP
                    1. +2
                      7 October 2025 15: 02
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      GDP

                      Of course...But ours is a military site...
                      1. +3
                        7 October 2025 21: 36
                        The entire issue could have been resolved long ago by simply nationalizing the refineries! At least temporarily, until the end of the Second World War. Private owners don't want to spend money on protecting refineries—it's more profitable for them to obtain insurance and then use the opportunity to jack up prices. The government isn't keen on protecting private property either. Nationalization and their conversion to military production would raise the question of installing site defense systems in the form of air defense systems. Information has surfaced here on the Military Council that thousands of Shilokas and ZU-23s are in storage, which could be used to protect refineries. Incidentally, economist Delyagin wrote that only a quarter of the refineries are damaged, while the remaining 28% are idle due to owners' reluctance to create a surplus of gasoline to keep prices up.
      2. -5
        8 October 2025 00: 21
        Quote: carpenter
        "By the end of 2024, losses reached 112,6 billion rubles

        This is how Russia is dumping coal on the international coal market. It's simply necessary to close all coal mines and some open-pit mines except those that sell coal to North Korea and China. Coal exports are inherently unprofitable, and a ban on energy coal exports is necessary. Or minimum prices should be introduced, below which the sale of coal, oil, and gas is prohibited. Moreover, the price is one for China and North Korea, higher for India, Vietnam, and Egypt, and the highest for all our enemies, from Bulgaria to Finland.
  2. +3
    7 October 2025 03: 55
    Shopkeepers will start diluting gasoline...the engines of modern cars will quickly come to an end.
    The enemy has already reached Tyumen...now I'm thinking...when will they reach my city? what It's just a matter of time.
    1. 0
      7 October 2025 04: 38
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The enemy has already reached Tyumen...

      There are also Omsk and Angarsk, but it’s doubtful that they will have enough range for that.
      1. +2
        7 October 2025 09: 01
        Quote: Puncher
        It's doubtful that they will have enough range for that long.

        They will reach us from Kazakhstan, or drones will be assembled in Russia.
    2. -2
      7 October 2025 07: 43
      My personal opinion is that the idea of ​​a bunch of small refineries will fail due to issues of logistics, technology, and quality control. The author cites the experience of the Civil War, ignoring that, for example, fuel wasn't particularly needed back then, and the products he mentioned had a low technological base, requiring no qualified personnel or sophisticated equipment.
      A logical question arises here: since Kyiv, the Europeans, and Trump have long been suggesting against escalation, what's stopping us from agreeing to refrain from strikes, say, beyond a 100-kilometer zone from the LBS? Pride or stupidity? For the particularly stubborn, let me remind you that when the grain deal was in place, the enemy didn't violate it and didn't touch our ships, but when we withdrew from it (ourselves, by force of will and a desire to show them "Kuzka's mother"), the Black Sea Fleet was driven into ports and hasn't really left. Yes, the "air truce" may not be permanent, but it will give us time to prepare and develop solutions.
      1. +3
        7 October 2025 08: 54
        Quote: parma
        The idea of ​​a bunch of small refineries will be shattered by issues of logistics, technology, and quality control.

        First, we need to finally transition to mass-scale modern cracking and other petroleum technologies. Currently, out of hundreds of relatively modern (but not the best) refineries, only four or five (experts will correct me). If we start building a bunch of small, incomprehensible factories, that will lead to an archaization of production, which will set us back even further.
        We need to understand these things. Regarding the air defense system and the protection of the oil refinery. Well, I think it's time to stop shifting responsibility and get serious about organizing our defense. UAVs aren't the most dangerous weapons; they can be countered. For example, I can't call some of the recent incursions into Sochi and Novorossiysk anything other than a disgrace, a demonstration of the state's poor governance. One can complain about not repelling a massive incursion. But... long-awaited attacks by single UAVs, often repeated, that can't be repelled—what else can you call that?
        I believe that even the Black Sea Fleet forces alone would have been enough to stop all of this with a properly organized defense.
      2. -2
        7 October 2025 09: 04
        Quote: parma
        forgetting that, for example, fuel wasn't really needed back then

        Fuel is always needed, but during the Civil War, the main fuel was coal.
        1. +4
          7 October 2025 09: 29
          By fuel, I mean liquid fuel—gasoline or diesel. Back then, due to the scarcity of vehicles and aircraft, fuel was practically unnecessary. Even later, even during WWII, the Soviet Union couldn't provide its aviation with the necessary fuel; a significant portion of high-octane gasoline was supplied through Lend-Lease.
      3. +3
        7 October 2025 09: 05
        Quote: parma
        What's stopping us from agreeing to refrain from strikes, say, beyond a 100km zone from the LBS?

        You don't know who you're dealing with. Not a single agreement with Ukraine has been fully implemented by that side. They've had us as they pleased. They'll catch their breath, rebuild, stockpile their strike force, and then wipe it all out in one fell swoop. We've been through this before, more than once. How can you be so unteachable? Simply put, if you're going to fight, you should do it properly, not worry about Ukrainian citizens at the expense of your own.
        1. +3
          7 October 2025 09: 27
          I don't know, or do you think you do? Let's go back a bit and look at who started carrying out drone strikes and when. As far as I remember, in August 2022, Western media reported on the purchase of "shaheed" drones from Iran, and already in September, our military launched the first strikes on Ukraine's energy sector. Back then, we were broadcasting reports on all channels, mocking Ukrainians suffocating from malfunctioning diesel generators, heating themselves with gas cylinders, and so on. Have we forgotten the "independence centers" (or whatever they called them, the points where there was heat, electricity, and internet)? Everyone has apparently forgotten "General Armageddon," or rather, the failure and ineffectiveness of his strategy.
          If we look at the history of Ukrainian drone strikes, the first strikes on energy facilities deep in the rear (first on oil storage facilities, to be precise, but almost immediately on refineries) began only in January 2024; before that, there were strikes on airfields. Until recently, there were virtually no strikes on thermal power plants or distribution substations in the rear.
          Even according to our media, it was not the Ukrainian Armed Forces that launched the strikes on “dual-use facilities”; they did not open this “Pandora’s box.”
          I understand that it's convenient to accuse the other side of every mortal sin, but before accusing the other side of "inability to negotiate," it's worth soberly and impartially assessing the facts. And this applies to any issue and any situation. The issue isn't that Kyiv is full of idiots, but that we haven't achieved the results we desired in these negotiations.
          1. +1
            7 October 2025 10: 37
            Quote: parma
            I understand that it is convenient to accuse the enemy of all mortal sins.

            In principle, Ukraine's actions are understandable and logical. I have no questions about them. There's a complete misunderstanding of our actions, at least until this year, when they were vacillating, striking here, only intimidating there, and so on. But if we go back to the beginning, the strikes actually started after Ukraine ditched us with the Istanbulites; before that, they were practically striking into thin air (empty barracks, warnings of strikes). I think there were some other agreements (it's embarrassing to admit) that we were ditched, because it's completely unclear why so many militarily important targets weren't hit. It seems that after the Istanbulites' ditching, any illusions about the possibility of reaching an agreement could and should have been abandoned.
            1. +4
              7 October 2025 11: 44
              What do you think of this theory—the initial strikes were a complete miss due to a simple lack of necessary intelligence? Remind me, which service's leader was so confused that he made one slip of the tongue after another at a general meeting before the Special Operations Command? Was it, by any chance, the intelligence service? So it turns out the enemy knew the date and time of the operation's start (practically the whole world knew, if you recall what the media was saying), and was able to disperse its forces in advance. But since we wanted everything to be "like the grown-ups," we launched strikes based on old data, and when this information surfaced, the official line was, "We did it on purpose, just showing off our heroic prowess."
              Regarding the "Istanbul scam," do we actually know what was proposed and discussed there? I haven't seen a list of official proposals from our side (correct me if I'm wrong), but from their side it was complete capitulation, disarmament, and so on and so forth. But if that's true, our results didn't meet the demands. Even despite the lack of material assistance from NATO and Kyiv's other friends, we couldn't defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Then the Hamers arrived, and everyone remembers the events that followed (yes, I'm talking about the Kharkiv region, Kherson, and the mobilization). The media effect was such that those on the other side started shouting about Crimea and practically taking the Kremlin, and we were in a state of panic, burying the LBS almost to the center of the earth (remember those solid minefields a couple of kilometers deep?).
              So, based on this, I can’t say that we were “cheated”, rather “they couldn’t agree on the price”, because we didn’t have much to offer.
              1. -1
                7 October 2025 11: 56
                Quote: parma
                How about this theory - the first strikes were "missing" due to a banal lack of necessary intelligence.

                The theory is valid, and you're right in some ways, but as far as I remember, we warned everyone that we would begin on February 22.02. Even Ukraine confirmed this. The main thing was that they were counting on flowers; again, that's how intelligence is, they reported what they wanted to hear.
                Quote: parma
                So, based on this, I can’t say that we were “cheated”, rather “they couldn’t agree on the price”, because we didn’t have much to offer.

                Still, based on circumstantial evidence, they screwed us. Our side didn't provide details, in my opinion, because we gave up a lot in those agreements, though Ukraine did too. Well, that's what a compromise is when both sides are unhappy. The murder of Ukraine's negotiator in Kyiv, where he was accused of treason immediately after the negotiations, confirms my theory.
          2. BAI
            0
            7 October 2025 18: 51
            Even according to our media, it was not the Ukrainian Armed Forces that launched the strikes on “dual-use facilities”; they did not open this “Pandora’s box.”

            Please provide a quote where this is written in our media.
            Just don't tell me that it was said verbally on TV.
          3. BAI
            0
            7 October 2025 18: 53
            Even according to our media, it was not the Ukrainian Armed Forces that launched the strikes on “dual-use facilities”; they did not open this “Pandora’s box.”

            Please provide a quote where this is written in our media.
            Just don't tell me that it was said verbally on TV.
            1. +1
              7 October 2025 19: 47
              The first Yandex query was "Geran-2 kamikaze drones attacked a thermal power plant in the Vinnytsia region" on October 11, 2022. Now find information about the drone strike on our power plant earlier...
              https://rg.ru/2022/10/11/drony-kamikadze-geran-2-atakovali-tes-v-vinnickoj-oblasti.html
        2. 0
          7 October 2025 10: 03
          Well, you like being screwed by any means necessary. And you negotiate again.
          1. +2
            7 October 2025 10: 26
            Quote: Gardamir
            And you agree again.

            Not quite right. They negotiate for us, or on our behalf. Unfortunately, no one asks us.
            1. +5
              7 October 2025 10: 40
              Somehow it turned out that in Russia the share of national wealth belonging to one percent is 74,5%, in India 58.4%, in Brazil 47.9%, in China 43.8%....
              1. +1
                7 October 2025 10: 44
                Quote: Gardamir
                It just so happens that in Russia the share of national wealth owned by the top one percent is 74,5%.

                That's capitalism, didn't you know that? They themselves, with their own hands, gleefully destroyed the USSR for jeans and chewing gum. There's no point in complaining now.
                1. +5
                  7 October 2025 12: 07
                  I disagree. If people lived for five years, it would be understandable that their life experience would be limited. But now you can compare modern propaganda with the propaganda of those years. Back then, for years, they explained that communists were evil. And we're all the same, so we need to live in a market economy and democracy. So, despite the fact that the entire nation voted to preserve the USSR, in their hearts everyone wanted to move forward to a market economy where everyone could buy a Mercedes or at least be given two Volgas.
                  It's the same thing now. Ukrainians have been cast as fascists. Nothing has changed. Zelenskyy raised the retirement age, and Trump is bringing in migrants.
                  What's interesting is, I don't know about chewing gum, but I definitely don't know about jeans.
      4. 0
        7 October 2025 09: 46
        Quote: parma
        What's stopping us from agreeing to refrain from strikes, say, beyond a 100km zone from the LBS?

        Are you talking about war as such, or about comfort?
        If we're talking about comfort, then we can go further!
        For example, a war by correspondence:
        - We amazed Voronezh!
        - and we are Lviv!
        - ok, let's cross out Lviv...
        Nobody's shelling anyone! Like, here's an aerial photo of your military plant, we think it's hit! And they respond, "Here's a photo of your oil refinery"—that's it, stop working there! And everyone's happy...
        And - so as not to kill anyone! He ran up, patted you on the shoulder - that's it, you've taken him out, go get some rest...

        It's like in a random fight with some thug, suggesting - let's agree that you don't hit me on this shoulder - I bruised it yesterday, it really hurts... and the thug - yes, yes, of course, what questions, we are honest and noble people!..
        1. +4
          7 October 2025 10: 04
          The only question is that once we're involved, there's no point in whining about the enemy hitting sensitive areas. We're doing exactly the same. Who's doing it better is a separate question. And here we need to either reach an agreement and abandon this practice on both sides, or not raise the question of the legality or correctness of such actions. Otherwise, when we send 700+ "geraniums" to the other side, it's like, "We're great guys and it's all fair," and when the response comes right back, it's like, "They're scumbags." Such reasoning only demonstrates our weakness. I understand that Iran is our ally, but why copy their behavior? The Persians can afford to fire back loudly and disperse after receiving a blow because they're not in the "hot" phase of a conflict, but we can't afford that.
          1. +5
            7 October 2025 10: 21
            Quote: parma
            ... once you're involved, there's no point in whining.

            That's it!
            This is precisely the key.
            Otherwise, we will soon reach the notorious question: “Why us?!”
          2. -1
            7 October 2025 10: 41
            Quote: parma
            The only question is that once we've gotten involved, there's no point in whining that the enemy is hitting sensitive areas; we're doing exactly the same thing.

            That's exactly what I'm saying. If we're going to fight, we need to do it properly, not worry about Ukraine, how they'll survive the winter, and so on.
            1. +2
              7 October 2025 11: 32
              There's a big difference between "the right way" and "the best we can"... For some reason, you think that if we call something a "goodwill gesture," it's purely for humanitarian reasons. We've adopted the idiotic fashion of calling physical incapacity good intentions. I'm not suggesting we play along; I'm suggesting we sit down and actually calculate who's hurting more from these exchanges. If mutual attacks are causing us more damage (and given the sanctions against us, the inability to purchase or repair equipment on one side, and the willingness of a good half of the planet to help Kyiv on the other, there's a high chance that's the case), and the enemy is willing to abandon them, why not do exactly that? I can't recall any instances of Kyiv completely abandoning agreements (those in the know should provide evidence, preferably from two or three sources for credibility).
              1. -4
                7 October 2025 11: 49
                Quote: parma
                If mutual attacks inflict more damage on us (and given the sanctions against us, the impossibility of purchasing or repairing equipment on one hand, and the willingness of a good half of the planet to help Kyiv on the other, there's a high chance that this is the case)

                Well, it's far from certain that it's hurting us more. And the most naive thing is to think they'll give us anything for repairs, etc., or even ease the sanctions. On the contrary, any weakness on our part will lead to a tightening and/or escalation of the sanctions. Do you know of any examples of Ukraine violating treaties? The very first friendship treaty, when it sent its fighters to Chechnya without punishing them, when it fought against us on Georgia's side on August 08.08, when it seized Tuzla Island, how, together with Europe, they abandoned us with the treaty during the Maidan, etc.
                1. +7
                  7 October 2025 12: 53
                  Whoa, whoa, slow down on the turns and the fact-finding. Our "goodwill gestures" coupled with firing "somewhere in response to something" clearly demonstrates our weakness. Trying to reach an agreement isn't weakness, but rather healthy pragmatic logic with the development of common "rules."
                  Regarding agreement violations, did Kyiv send its citizens to Chechnya or was it their personal decision? If it did, "the documents are in the studio"—that's a serious international charge. Otherwise, the presence of Russian citizens in the ranks of ISIS or the anti-Assad opposition doesn't mean we were against Assad; it means nothing at all, since they are illegal armed groups. As for "punishments," I don't recall Girkin-Strelkov being punished for participating in the battlefields in Bosnia, Transnistria, or even the LPR and DPR. That's somewhat prohibited here, and I won't even mention the members of "Uncle Deni's orchestra."
                  Regarding Ukraine's involvement in the events of 08/08/08 – yes, they sold weapons, but that also sounds ridiculous. We sold weapons simultaneously to Armenia and Azerbaijan, India and Pakistan, and many others… we sold weapons to Greece and Turkey, then to NATO, and everyone was happy with it… Tuzla Island is a completely separate agreement – ​​it's our land only from our point of view and only in our opinion (although that doesn't mean we shouldn't defend it). The Maidan thing is also funny – are you talking about the money Mr. "Absolutely!" stole before moving to Rostov?
                  If we speak from the point of view of “logic” and any international rules, all this is not an “increase in agreements”; it is purely a desire to “take offense” at one’s neighbors…
                  In general, think more and puff out your cheeks less, following the "hot heads" on TV. They get paid for it and will "change their shoes" tomorrow without harm to themselves, and you?
                  1. -3
                    7 October 2025 13: 19
                    Quote: parma
                    healthy pragmatic logic with the development of general “rules”.

                    Excellent, but on the condition that these rules are observed. But experience has shown that the West, along with Ukraine, only observes them when it suits them.
                    Quote: parma
                    Did Kyiv send its citizens to Chechnya or was it their personal decision?

                    He didn't punish them, which is tantamount to sending them away. Regarding Girkin, we didn't have any friendship treaties or anything like that with Bosnia. Basically, that's not quite right. We'll discuss that with the citizens of the former Yugoslavia. This doesn't apply to Ukraine.
                    Quote: parma
                    On Ukraine's involvement in the events of 08.08.08

                    They sold not just guns but air defense systems along with the crews. Incidentally, they were the very first to be sold on vacation. Later, Ukraine was genuinely offended by ours.
                    Quote: parma
                    Tuzla Island is a completely separate agreement - it is our land only from our point of view and only in our opinion.

                    It was always part of the Krasnodar Krai, a spit of land. Then the sea eroded it, creating an island. The most important thing is that this piece of land was never territorially part of the Ukrainian SSR. Sevastopol, by the way, was neither; I'd forgotten about its capture.
                    Quote: parma
                    It's funny about the Maidan too. Are you talking about the money that Mr. "Stop!" stole before moving to Rostov?

                    The issue isn't the Maidan itself or the different personalities involved, but rather the fact that if some can do it, why can't others? Some seized power in one part of Ukraine with the help of foreign forces, while others did the same in another part. Everything is fine. It's just that in Ukraine, this was perceived somewhat nervously, without regard for the prevailing realities.
                    Quote: parma
                    the desire to be "offended" by neighbors...

                    That's not the point at all. It's a desire not to give up what's ours, for which generations have sacrificed so many lives. And not to have a completely hostile, Nazi state on our doorstep. And yes, I'm firmly convinced that if anything happens, these guys will quickly change their tune, but the question is, will they, too, be expendable simply because of their Russianness?
                    1. +3
                      7 October 2025 16: 12
                      A collection of cliches, propaganda, and... probably nonsense... I can only recommend one thing: there's a channel called "Native Workers' Council"—it's on VK, banned-tube, Rutube, and many other places. It has some pretty good, fact-based stories about various conflicts, including Georgia, Kyiv's supplies before the 8/8/08 conflict, our performance back then, and so on... check it out. You can also check out analyses of the Chechen conflicts, and about American companies in Iraq; you might understand why the NWO is still the way it is.
                      1. -2
                        7 October 2025 16: 28
                        Quote: parma
                        A collection of cliches, propaganda and... stupidity, I guess.

                        Or maybe that's how it really is? We're doing exactly what everyone else has done before us. And while it's okay to be offended by us and say it's different, it's foolish. And I know about Ukraine firsthand. I lived there for many, many years, and I live there every year. I saw it all with my own eyes. And yes, I saw forced Ukrainization since the Soviet era, but I didn't see Ukrainians being oppressed and banned.
            2. 0
              12 October 2025 13: 10
              I completely agree. Talking about a "brotherly nation" will lead to nothing good. Remember history, at least about WWII, so what?
    3. +1
      7 October 2025 08: 43
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Shopkeepers will start diluting gasoline...the engines of modern cars will quickly come to an end.

      People are already saying that gasoline has become worse.
  3. +14
    7 October 2025 04: 40
    By creating such a small and distributed oil refining system, which can be partly mobile on trucks or semi-trailers, and partly placed in bunkers, underground workings, and similar shelters, there is no longer any fear of a fuel collapse.

    Who would give such a buck to some small shopkeepers with their micro-refineries? It's easier to buy gasoline from China. It looks like that's how it's going to be.
    P.S.: Electric train owners are quietly chuckling...
    1. -4
      7 October 2025 04: 56
      Quote: Puncher
      It's easier to buy gasoline in China.

      And that's a good idea...if we can't protect refineries in Russia, then the oil will be sent to Chinese refineries, and from there, fuel and lubricants will be supplied throughout Russia.
      Europe will howl like wolves at China's enrichment.
      1. +12
        7 October 2025 06: 24
        And how are we going to pay for overtime? Are we going to enslave Matviyenko and the Federation Council? They can't figure out what else they can do to avoid ripping people off.
        1. +3
          7 October 2025 07: 07
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          And how will we pay for the processing?

          Well, the price will be appropriate. They'll buy it, no other choice.
          1. +10
            7 October 2025 07: 53
            They'll buy it, they'll do nothing.
            I agree with you: if the state has withdrawn from addressing the problem, then the oligarchs who own refineries are solving problems as the market dictates. Why spend money protecting refineries in Russia and incur additional costs when they can refine their own oil in neighboring countries and ship the fuel back, keeping the profits there without having to launder them through third countries? A perfect solution.
        2. +1
          7 October 2025 10: 54
          Dmitry
          Let's take a moment to consider how events will unfold if they suddenly follow the most pessimistic scenario—the one the collective West is striving for.
          Let's assume that the controlled cooling of the Russian economy, under the watchful guidance of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank, has passed the point of no return and the economy has completely cooled to the point of rigor mortis. The money has run out, and there's nothing left to pay pensions and salaries.
          Those in power and their cronies will flee abroad, while the common people will remain here. There will be nothing left to loot, as everything will have been plundered. The country will plunge into renewed turmoil, and new Bolsheviks capable of taking over the abandoned power are nowhere in sight. At such a critical moment, will our people be able to organize themselves and reanimate their statehood without outside help? hi
          1. -4
            7 October 2025 11: 43
            He will be able to, I am sure of it. hi Yes, briefly.
            1. -2
              7 October 2025 11: 50
              He will be able to, I am sure of it.
              I'm sure of it too. The main thing is that they don't interfere.
              1. 0
                9 October 2025 12: 11
                They will be a great nuisance, I assure you...
          2. +2
            7 October 2025 12: 09
            Quote: Gomunkul
            Those in power and those close to them will flee abroad

            Will not run away
            Quote: Gomunkul
            The common people will remain here, there will be nothing left to loot, because everything will have already been completely looted.

            They'll shout "Victory!" and rejoice. If they didn't do anything in 1996, then what can they expect now?
            Quote: Gomunkul
            Let's think a little about how events will develop.

            1. They'll ease off on attacks deep into Ukraine, passing it off as a "step toward de-escalation." Everyone's thrilled, Donnie and Europe.
            2. Nothing will change on the front lines, just blood and torn flesh. There will be no new wave of mobilization, as the state would prefer to reduce the number of future veterans.
            3. It is possible to introduce Koreans, but not to the front, but to protect Moscow from possible riots, because one cannot rely on anyone; June 2023 showed that Moscow is defenseless.
            4. The number of corruption "scandals" will grow, regional officials, judges, and security officials will come under attack, to the amusement of the public, shocked by the mountains of money found.
            We'll hold out like this for a long time, we'll get used to it... ALL of China's "friends" live in poverty and permanent armed conflicts, Pakistan and Iran are examples of this.
        3. 0
          7 October 2025 14: 54
          What else, oil, there’s nowhere to put it anyway!)
          A joke is a joke, but in the current circumstances there is something to it...
        4. -1
          7 October 2025 14: 57
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          Matviyenko, should we, along with the Federation Council, give you over to slavery?

          Just send them off to retirement!
      2. +6
        7 October 2025 08: 05
        And that's a good idea...if we can't protect refineries in Russia, then the oil will be sent to Chinese refineries, and from there, fuel and lubricants will be supplied throughout Russia.

        another bastard...
        and like - all for objective reasons...
        1. +8
          7 October 2025 08: 29
          and like - all for objective reasons...
          Apparently, they took into account the experience of the 1917 revolution and are now preparing to withdraw not only money, but also the means of production.
      3. +1
        7 October 2025 09: 47
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        And that's a good idea...if we can't protect refineries in Russia, then the oil will be sent to Chinese refineries, and from there, fuel and lubricants will be supplied throughout Russia.
        It's easier through Belarus, after all, there are our own people
      4. +2
        7 October 2025 16: 21
        Quote: The same Lech
        Quote: Puncher
        It's easier to buy gasoline in China.

        And that's a good idea...if we can't protect refineries in Russia, then the oil will be sent to Chinese refineries, and from there, fuel and lubricants will be supplied throughout Russia.
        Europe will howl like wolves at China's enrichment.


        No China will be able to supply us with the required amount of fuel.
        1. It doesn't have that kind of power.
        2. We don't have a transportation system capable of transporting 4 million tons daily from the Far East to the center. That's precisely the need.
    2. +2
      7 October 2025 16: 19
      Quote: Puncher

      P.S.: Electric train owners are quietly chuckling...


      Of course, our electricity comes from space.
      They'll stop laughing a little later.
      1. +1
        8 October 2025 05: 47
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Of course, our electricity comes from space.

        There are many ways to generate electricity, but internal combustion engines in personal vehicles require gasoline or diesel fuel, both petroleum derivatives. In your community, is electricity generated by burning gasoline?
        1. 0
          8 October 2025 12: 25
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Of course, our electricity comes from space.

          There are many ways to generate electricity, but internal combustion engines in personal vehicles require gasoline or diesel fuel, both petroleum derivatives. In your community, is electricity generated by burning gasoline?


          All methods of generating electricity on an industrial scale are as vulnerable as oil refineries.
          It's just that their turn hasn't come yet.

          Smash a couple of compressor stations along the pipeline, and the entire enormous 1420 gas pipeline simply stops, burning brightly. And there's no gas for the combined heat and power (CHP) power plants.
          Destroy the machine shop at a thermal power plant/combined heat and power plant/hydroelectric power station, as well as the junction transformer stations that can handle the power flow.
          So there is no electricity not only for cars, but also for distribution centers and stores with large freezers, and apartments with refrigerators.
          There is no electricity for the pumping and filtering station to supply water to residential areas.
          There is also no electricity to operate the sewer system.
          And if there is no fuel, then the diesel power plant will not work.
          Whatever, let's dance.
          1. 0
            8 October 2025 19: 47
            There are far more power generation facilities than oil refineries. They wouldn't have enough drones for that.
  4. +3
    7 October 2025 04: 42
    Quote: Puncher
    There are also Omsk and Angarsk, but it’s doubtful that they will have enough range for that.

    From a technical standpoint, yes... but the enemy is no less inventive than we are... they will fire from the steppes of Kazakhstan. what
    We must prepare for the worst and most unlikely scenarios.
  5. +14
    7 October 2025 05: 02
    The plan is good, but there's a problem: there's no one to implement it. Those in charge don't know how to do the job and don't want to, so I'll take the path of least resistance as usual and just stupidly buy from abroad. They'll only start moving if you put a gun to their heads, which is impossible in a NON-WAR situation.
  6. +2
    7 October 2025 05: 24
    Simply allow all this—small oil refineries, private wells (unprofitable in large-scale oil production)—so that it's not done clandestinely, but under environmental and quality control. Create competition for our sluggish oil and gas monopolies.
    Free them from excise taxes, at least for the first five years, so that they can recoup the cost of the equipment.
    And no commissions are needed; everything will be set up automatically. Just monitor production and sales and prosecute local officials who immediately want their cut. smile
    There will, of course, be some issues with quality and the shadow economy at first, but everything will settle down in a couple of years. Because the choice will be between filling up at smaller gas stations and taking a risk, or going to, say, Gazprom, which is more expensive but guaranteed. Let everyone choose for themselves. But there certainly won't be any shortages, and the prices will drop.
    We're always creating ideal conditions for monopolists, supposedly promoting development. But in reality, we're getting a dictatorship.
    How much has AvtoVAZ developed? Its support has resulted in sky-high prices for cars and VAZs with steering wheel switches off right on the highway. But recycling a car in Russia costs more than manufacturing it in China. laughing It seems like a joke, but in every joke there is a grain of truth, as they say.
    1. +7
      7 October 2025 07: 31
      Quote: Evgeny64
      so that it is not underground, but under environmental and quality control.

      I'll tell you how it will be, because I saw it firsthand in 2000 in one proud republic. There will be a high demand for small tanks that will be used to make distillation stills. These stills will be placed in secluded corners where they will be used to boil oil, extracting low-grade gasoline, which will be sold in garages and parking lots, as well as along the roads.
      1. +2
        7 October 2025 07: 54
        Is this your response to those who were glad it wasn't the 90s?
        1. +5
          7 October 2025 08: 24
          Quote: Gardamir
          Is this your response to those who were glad it wasn't the 90s?

          Well, I didn't mean to imply that. I just remembered the smoke outside Khankala where those "mini refineries" burned; our guys would burn them down if we found them. And as for them turning up, it's a given. There's nothing complicated about it; you just need to organize a supply of crude oil, and whipping up a big moonshine still isn't a problem. You'll get a Burdomaga, of course, but you can probably get it up to 80 with chemicals.
      2. +1
        9 October 2025 12: 14
        Chechnya has extensive experience in the production and use of such samovars...
    2. +5
      7 October 2025 08: 04
      Simply allow all this—small oil refineries, private wells (unprofitable in large-scale oil production)—so that it's not done clandestinely, but under environmental and quality control. Create competition for our sluggish oil and gas monopolies.

      Have you heard the parable about the Chukchi youth?
  7. +3
    7 October 2025 05: 35
    A bad dream... Some kind of "Ukraine" is haunting the great Russian Federation... I want to scream at this point, but the author keeps coming back with his recommendations: "Don't yell," "Don't panic." Hide in the bunkers...
    1. +3
      7 October 2025 06: 26
      Where did you see greatness? In the Kremlin's puffed-up cheeks?
      1. +8
        7 October 2025 08: 19
        The "Chechen samovars" of the 90s make fun of the current situation. The funny thing is, no one even asks how we got to this point and who, specifically, is to blame... it's taboo.
        1. 0
          9 October 2025 12: 16
          "...nobody even asks how we got to this point and who, specifically, is to blame?" Everyone knows who we shouldn't talk about...
  8. +17
    7 October 2025 06: 26
    I'll tell you the story briefly. In 2017, I was writing a paper for management that was participating in the "Leaders of Russia" competition. Well, as I was writing it, I'd already been given the paper; they simply told me to get it into a more or less acceptable format. The gist of the paper was about overburden briquetting, supposedly the fuel of the future. I immediately spotted one problem with the paper: no matter how hard you compact the overburden, it won't burn. I tried to explain it to management, and they said they'd given me the topic, so go ahead. So, I whipped up a report and submitted it. The presentation took place at Skolkovo, with a scientific committee, politicians, and so on. Management came back absolutely delighted, saying everyone loved the paper and that this technology needed to be urgently implemented in production. I'd discovered the scientific level of our elite, and I decided to never get involved in science again, not even remotely.
    1. +3
      7 October 2025 07: 13
      Quote from turembo
      like this will be the fuel of the future

      It's unclear how waste rock, even in briquette form, can become fuel? Or is it mixed with coal?
      1. +4
        7 October 2025 07: 29
        Enrichment plant tailings. In their original form, they have a negative value (incidentally, like spent nuclear fuel). They burn, but require either illumination or complex gasification technology. And the tailings problem persists.
        1. +1
          7 October 2025 08: 02
          Waste dump of the processing plant.

          The tails from enrichment are another matter...
          1. 0
            7 October 2025 08: 24
            Quote: Dedok
            Waste dump of the processing plant.

            The tails from enrichment are another matter...

            Are they burning?
            1. 0
              7 October 2025 08: 26
              Are they burning?

              Are you talking about the processing plant?
              or about the tails from it?
              or about an object/method of enrichment?
              1. 0
                7 October 2025 08: 31
                Quote: Dedok
                Are you talking about the processing plant?

                No, it will burn if you set it on fire.
                Quote: Dedok
                or about the tails from it?

                Yes, about the "tails"
                1. 0
                  7 October 2025 08: 46
                  Yes, about the "tails"

                  If we're talking about coal, then everything depends on the enrichment method, the equipment, and compliance with basic rules. In general, if you're not lazy, everything will be fine...
                  And let's not forget that even flour mills have special requirements not only for fire, but most importantly, for explosions in the premises...
            2. 0
              7 October 2025 08: 53
              Are they burning?

              The main fuel of the South Kuzbass State District Power Plant.
              Depends on the enrichment technology and the level of profitability of product transportation.
      2. +5
        7 October 2025 08: 21
        You've noticed everything correctly), it's waste rock from ordinary waste heaps), no matter what you do with it, it won't burn in principle).
        1. +1
          7 October 2025 08: 34
          Quote from turembo
          It's just waste rock from regular waste heaps), no matter what you do with it, it won't burn in principle).

          And the original author of the work didn’t understand this?
          1. +7
            7 October 2025 08: 36
            Apparently not, just like the whole Skolkovo that was present at the Russian leaders'
    2. +6
      7 October 2025 08: 01
      Well, I whipped up a report and submitted it, the defense of the work took place in Skolkovo, a scientific committee, politicians, and so on.

      Ever since the time when the then State Duma deputy Ponomarev was paid about 900 thousand rubles for a two-hour lecture (at a dollar rate of 30), I have regarded this company only as a "laundromat"...
  9. +9
    7 October 2025 06: 47
    The main problem here is the greed of the elites; no one will give their laying hens to their neighbors, even if there is a threat that a ferret will strangle them all at night.
  10. 0
    7 October 2025 06: 48
    It's very simple: everyone should do their assigned work well! And not live by the principle of "the day is over and that's it!"
  11. +3
    7 October 2025 06: 51
    To save on gasoline, officials need to use public transportation when traveling to and from work. Then officials would be closer to the people, and public transportation would run better. The flexibility of accomplishing all tasks depends on the flexibility of thinking. It's no secret that many necessary tasks are delayed by officials simply because they haven't received orders from above. This is the scourge of our way of life.
    1. -2
      7 October 2025 07: 31
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      To save on gasoline consumption, officials need to use public transport.

      François Hollande rode a bicycle to work - and how much did that help France when the US was pressuring him for the Mistrals?
      And yes, officials are transported by cars at the regional level, with about 100 people. In today's cities, 100 cars wouldn't even be noticeable—there are tens of thousands of them...
      1. -1
        7 October 2025 07: 57
        And yes, officials are transported by car at the regional level, up to 100 people.

        Are you seriously?
        What about the vehicles purchased for subordinate purposes? - or is that "different"?
        for personal service to individuals
        Is there anything like this in your region?
        1. -3
          7 October 2025 10: 14
          Quote: Dedok
          for personal service to individuals
          Is there anything like this in your region?

          This is the leadership of government agencies and regional leadership - lower-level officials have not put their noses into motor transport
  12. -1
    7 October 2025 07: 29
    Could you please tell me if Rosneft, Surgutneftegaz, Gazpromneft, and Lukoil (Teboil) stations in your regions have fuel available, and what is the price? We're having issues with pricing and fuel shortages, only for private customers.
    1. 0
      7 October 2025 07: 54
      Please tell me, do Rosneft, Surgutneftegaz, Gazpromneft, and Lukoil (Teboil) gas stations in your regions have fuel and what is the price?

      Here at Surgut, diesel fuel is 71,10
  13. +1
    7 October 2025 07: 37
    I really hope, and I'm not alone in this, that this powerful upheaval will shake up this rotten, filthy swamp we live in. I mean the system, the foundations, the distributed flows, the clans, and the occupied niches. We really hope so!!
  14. +2
    7 October 2025 07: 53
    In both articles the commentators were very arrogant and lectured me like that.

    everything remains the same...
    Nil novi sub luna...
    as already said:
    "Nothing new under the moon:
    What is, it was, will be forever.
    And before the blood flowed like a river
    And before man cried..."
  15. +1
    7 October 2025 07: 55
    So, an author wrote an article. And you read it. You think it's written by an expert, because this is a respected resource, and they won't let just anyone in. But you read on and realize that's not the case. The author is only worried about not filling his own bucket. Although, if you open the product list of any large refinery, you'll see a ton of strange words. And it turns out that chemistry is the foundation of almost every industry. That's my point. Small refineries might be able to solve the gasoline problem (how much it will cost is another matter). But they won't allow for deep refining.
    1. +1
      7 October 2025 11: 49
      Ha-ha-ha!
      I had a whole series of articles dedicated to analyzing the various stages of oil refining. For example, this one
      https://topwar.ru/267878-kataliticheskij-kreking-my-dolgo-shli-k-velikoj-celi.html
      1. -2
        7 October 2025 15: 03
        So? Does this answer my question: how can we handle chemicals if normal processing is lost? No. It doesn't.
        1. 0
          7 October 2025 15: 20
          There's no point in pretending to be an expert if you're not one. laughing
          Raw materials for chemicals are mainly associated petroleum gas or natural gas liquids.
          1. 0
            7 October 2025 16: 23
            Only partially. Gas processing won't cover everything. It's generally clear.
        2. +3
          7 October 2025 16: 34
          Quote: Enny
          So? Does this answer my question: how can we handle chemicals if normal processing is lost? No. It doesn't.


          To hell with this chemistry you've latched onto.
          Without fuel for cars, the country's food security completely collapses.

          4-5 days without fuel in the region - and famine begins in the region.
          The entire food supply system of the country is based on a system of automobile delivery from the distribution center to the store, from the manufacturer to the distribution center.
          And for decades it has been built according to the "Just in Time" model.
          And now it will instantly collapse without fuel throughout the entire supply chain.

          We need to think about this so that people don’t start to starve.
          This is what a reasonable person understands, but those pseudo-intelligent and erudite - but without reason - are talking nonsense about chemistry.
      2. +6
        7 October 2025 16: 36
        Quote: wehr
        Ha-ha-ha!
        I had a whole series of articles dedicated to analyzing the various stages of oil refining. For example, this one
        https://topwar.ru/267878-kataliticheskij-kreking-my-dolgo-shli-k-velikoj-celi.html


        I once commented there.


        and now it is very painful to read that patriotic frenzy, in which we are invincible and nothing will happen.
        And the worst thing is that this insane, stupid, unreasonable, uneducated, idiotic frenzy still thrives on this resource.
    2. +4
      7 October 2025 16: 30
      Quote: Enny
      So, an author wrote an article. And you read it. You think it's written by an expert, because this is a respected resource, and they won't let just anyone in. But you read on and realize that's not the case. The author is only worried about not filling his own bucket. Although, if you open the product list of any large refinery, you'll see a ton of strange words. And it turns out that chemistry is the foundation of almost every industry. That's my point. Small refineries might be able to solve the gasoline problem (how much it will cost is another matter). But they won't allow for deep refining.


      There are smart people, and there are erudite people.
      And they are different.
      So, you are erudite.

      To those with aplomb and erudition, but alas, lacking the "rational-thinking substance", I will say one thing.
      There's no need to think about the extent of the already-destroyed plant's processing. And yet you're trying to explain it with such erudition.
      In Kirishi, 50% of all oil refining is already at a standstill.
      Stands still.
      And there is no chance of returning it in the face of ongoing attacks on the oil refineries.
      And you talk about "chemical basis".
      We no longer have oil refining and petrochemical industries in the European part of Russia.
      Do you understand this?
      Does this get through to you or not?

      It gets knocked out so badly that they don't have time to restore it.
      One finger was cut off, then another - now there are almost 30 factories without fingers, without arms, without legs.
      Soon the rest will be cut off at this rate.
  16. -1
    7 October 2025 08: 17
    Maybe just hit Bankova once?
    1. -1
      7 October 2025 09: 28
      "This is not our method" (c)""""
  17. +2
    7 October 2025 08: 31
    Is the damage to the oil refinery so severe that the whole of Russia no longer has enough gasoline?
    I do not believe!
    1. +2
      7 October 2025 08: 49
      There was an article here recently that in Russia 20% of oil refineries were stopped due to accidents and another 20% were stopped for major repairs, and this has become a problem!
    2. +1
      7 October 2025 10: 08
      The fact is that damage to Russia has been inflicted non-stop since 1992.
  18. BAI
    0
    7 October 2025 08: 32
    Thirdly, there is the possibility of a nuclear strike, against which existing missile defense systems have questionable effectiveness.

    This is first and foremost the only thing. The entire Soviet economy was designed to function in the event of a nuclear war.
    And the calculation was based on strategic reserves.
    They'll say it won't last long?
    Because it was understood that a nuclear war couldn't last long. Everything would end immediately.
    But in any case, the author did not mention the mobilization reserves.
  19. +1
    7 October 2025 08: 51
    On top of that, we'll need a commission to shoot those who dilute gasoline with donkey urine. Or maybe it's a good thing that the rising cost and declining quality of fuel will put personal imported cars out of business, and all that fuel will be used to meet the country's urgent needs. In short, it's complicated; a commission is truly necessary; there's no other way.
  20. -1
    7 October 2025 09: 13
    Author! There are many "rakes" and we love to step on them... But honestly, we need to radically address the personnel issue. Every manager must firmly understand that they are responsible for the work entrusted to them! And no "effective" managers!
  21. +5
    7 October 2025 09: 33
    In Russia, producing petroleum products is fundamentally unprofitable due to the tax maneuver imposed by the IMF and religiously adhered to by the government. Russia must export crude oil; that's the role the globalists have assigned it. Therefore, no one is particularly developing or protecting refineries. To protect the domestic market, duties on gasoline imports have been abolished. It's better than nothing, but the main thing is not to develop domestic oil refining; it's taboo.
  22. -1
    7 October 2025 09: 51
    In the 90s, as far as I recall, the entire south of the country (the Black Sea region) somehow mixed fuel. You'd drive through some village—along the road, every two or three houses, you'd see questionable containers with equally questionable contents. The main advantage was the price; the rest—it's scary to remember.
    The car sneezes, smokes, it’s lucky if it moves at all...
  23. +10
    7 October 2025 10: 04
    Yes, until February 2022, and for some time after that, there was an absolute glut of yuk-yuk-yuk and other self-righteous commentators. As were the authors, by the way. I still laugh out loud when I recall an article by a popular blogger about our amazing electronic warfare.
    When the Russian army appears at the front of the APU, it will be easy to understand.

    The first sign is the failure of all means of communication, the complete discharge of batteries in cars, tanks and other equipment, at the same time the discharge of batteries in mobile phones, in sights, in radio stations. Then there is a rupture of electrical circuits in all equipment - any. This is EMP. All engines stall, there is no way to start. This is how the Khingan system works, with a radius of 20 km.

    The second is a complete failure of all systems using liquid crystal displays, the failure of all targeting devices in the air defense system—the radars are dead. The Altair system is operational.

    Third - failures when trying to use any types of guided weapons - from MANPADS to ATGM .. When trying to use the shells self-destruct immediately ... This is the "Mercury" system - based on MTLB, such an antenna is high. Now the Russians have it in every battalion. Works on a 15 km radius.

    Fourth - it is impossible to use drones without a pilot. They either fall, with the failure of navigation and the engine, or they sit down in the disposition of the Russians. The system "Krasuha-4" disables the onboard equipment of aircraft and any other aircraft. The system "Avtobaza" carries out the interception of the control of the case of firefighters. The Russians gave it to the Iranians, and they snagged the United States Kandahar beast, the most secret attack plane.

    The fifth sign will have time to see and understand not only everything. This is the phenomenal accuracy of the artillery fire, which is carried out with inaccessible distance for the Ukrainian artillery. The artillery reconnaissance and guidance stations of the Russian army work through satellites and their drones. The Russians upgraded the shells, they are now with the homing system, they are longer and carry more explosives.
    Ukraine has no satellites. Only two communications satellites. From American satellites operational adjustment of fire ukroartillery impossible.

    And there were many such articles. And on central TV, we were told that there would be an attack on Ukraine at 8 a.m., the capture of Kyiv at 14.00 p.m., according to the schedule, and the acceptance of the surrender by 19.00 p.m. (Skabeeva, I have the video on my phone).
    And that's how it all turned out. Three years and seven months of solid successes and epic victories over the ridiculous and fleeing Ukrainian army.
    True, amidst a string of successes in the battles for huts and barns, the economy has been squandered, the blows to our deep rear are growing and becoming ever more painful, civilians are dying daily, there is an overabundance of migrants and crime, and the backbone of any state is woefully understaffed – police, doctors, teachers, and civil servants.
    In the not-so-distant future, Tomahawks will be flying at us, and the Geostrategist-Grandmaster will be slapping his lips at the next forums about how these missiles don't affect the overall balance of power on the fronts, and we can easily fire them, just like we did before.
    1. +2
      7 October 2025 10: 57
      If you're feeling sad about the "we can repeaters," check out the news feed. They're having a field day there, smashing everyone to smithereens. smile
      1. +6
        7 October 2025 11: 01
        Oh no. My nerves are more important to me. I've already written more than once that there are two worlds here.
        Analytics and opinions are more or less sections for realists, but the news is where the adherents of the HPP sect and other moguprotivniks frolic.
  24. +6
    7 October 2025 11: 00
    Asha, our moon-faced guy is about to learn from the USSR! He'd rather give up the country than do anything for the people, not for his oligarch friends.
  25. +3
    7 October 2025 11: 02
    The Soviet experience during the Civil War, besides being interesting and sometimes amusing in itself, is valuable because it provides a proven algorithm for solving complex military and economic problems with non-obvious solutions.

    - I would say, "with unclear consequences."
    The People's Commissariat is also, in essence and name, a commission.
    The Chusosnabarmy and Chekvalapy were subsystems of a single vertical of the new administrative-economic system, which arose out of necessity, during the transition period of the collapse of one state machine (capitalist) and its replacement with another (socialist).
    It is difficult to imagine how, in the conditions of the modern clannish, oligarchic economy, designed to strangle small and medium-sized exploiters, a valiant cohort of nuvo-commissars "in dusty helmets" with Mausers will appear and begin to breed small oil refineries in "industrial" quantities, comparable in total production volumes and, accordingly, consumption, to the residents of the Forbes list who have already usurped the oil trough.))
    But who will give it to them?!))
    “You can’t put a horse and a trembling doe in the same cart...” ©
    Pure, in my opinion, utopia.
  26. +1
    7 October 2025 11: 10
    Before doing something like that, the death penalty—execution—should be reinstated in the Criminal Code as the death penalty for embezzlement!
  27. -1
    7 October 2025 11: 46
    According to my calculations, Russia requires at least 180 million tons of dispersed, sheltered and supplied with raw materials oil refining

    We must always start with the real need during the military mobilization of society.
    The United States, with a population of over 300 million, consumed less than 80 million tons of oil before refining in peacetime in 2024. Why does Russia, with a population of 150 million, need 180 million tons of oil, rather than, say, 40 million tons? And this is considering peacetime consumption in the United States, where there are more cars and their annual average mileage is higher than in Russia. And in extreme circumstances, consumption can be reduced by half or more. Refining 20 million tons of oil requires 18 mini refineries, not 2.
  28. +1
    7 October 2025 11: 46
    Quote: tatra
    Ha, one of the main qualities of the anti-Soviet people is that they always cowardly shift blame and responsibility onto others for what they themselves have done, including their totally false, anti-Soviet Perestroika and everything they did during it, including shouting "Yeltsin, Yeltsin" at the top of their lungs. In August 1991, they ran to the White House to defend him, and in June 1991, they forced Yeltsin onto us as President.

    Your position is weak. Blaming everything on events of 25-35 years ago, when Yeltsin, Gaidar, and the rest of the Burbulises are long dead, and those who survived are long gone. But the grandmaster, who's been in charge for 26 years now, and his comrades, have nothing to do with it. Maybe you'll stop blaming everything on the 90s? After all, a completely different guy has been in charge here since 1999.
    1. 0
      7 October 2025 11: 52
      You simply don’t understand the scale of this discovery – the anti-Soviet people! laughing laughing
  29. -1
    7 October 2025 11: 58
    Quote: Alexander_Makedonskov
    A bad dream... Some kind of "Ukraine" is haunting the great Russian Federation... I want to scream at this point, but the author keeps coming back with his recommendations: "Don't yell," "Don't panic." Hide in the bunkers...

    Not just any Ukraine, but the West's best army, which trains and protects NATO (I quote Western experts). And this Ukraine receives everything it needs—weapons, ammunition, fuel—from the very NATO it protects. Its adversary is the "paper tiger" Russia, with an economy that's going to hell (according to Trump and General Keogh).
    It's amazing how the "paper tiger" has been terrifying the West's best army for so long.
  30. +1
    7 October 2025 13: 00
    The Sislibs intend to hand over the country to the West.
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  32. -4
    7 October 2025 15: 44
    It's too late to drink Borjomi when your kidneys are failing. We need to come to an agreement by any means necessary. If we keep fighting, we'll end up wearing bast shoes, only instead of bast, we'll have some plastic from the landfill.
    If peace talks fail, a nuclear strike will be launched until they capitulate.
    1. -2
      7 October 2025 16: 31
      Yes, yes, bast shoes made from strips cut from old plastic bottles!!
      Total war as it is.

      Do you want to give up?
      I hope you remember about the Trade Union House in Odessa? They'll burn you down.
      1. 0
        7 October 2025 16: 59
        Well, if you've been reading me, I've been in favor of a nuclear strike since the summer of 2022. Not at all in favor of surrender.
    2. 0
      8 October 2025 12: 31
      Quote: Alexey Lantukh

      If peace talks fail, a nuclear strike will be launched until they capitulate.


      What if they respond to us? We're not the only ones with nuclear weapons...
  33. 0
    7 October 2025 19: 26
    There was an article here recently about small refineries. I was all for it back then. And I was thinking about dispersal, too.
  34. +1
    7 October 2025 20: 03
    Quote: Taimen
    All fuel companies need to be nationalized. These are strategic matters. I think everyone already understands that the profiteers and hucksters don't care about this. Military operations have already proven this.

    It was! It doesn't work! There were 1-1.5 km long gas lines back in 89.
  35. 0
    7 October 2025 21: 24
    Quote: Kostadinov
    The United States, with a population of over 300 million, consumed less than 80 million tons of oil before refining in peacetime in 2024.

    Apologies for the error. US oil consumption in 2024 was 800 million tons, not 80.
  36. SRM
    +3
    7 October 2025 21: 24
    An oil refinery is, first and foremost, a hazardous production facility. And primary oil refining is the most dangerous part of production. I didn't earn my first safety rating that easily. Product temperatures exceed 400 degrees Celsius, creating a corrosive environment that corrodes metal. Constant monitoring is required. Because of the high temperatures, even the slightest leak can cause spontaneous combustion. To produce gasoline of normal quality, about a dozen units must first be built. That samovar in the photo will burn out within a month, killing or injuring people, and damaging the environment.
  37. -2
    7 October 2025 23: 39
    Could you provide at least a brief summary of the processing losses?! What's the total capacity, how much was mothballed after exports disappeared, how much goes to agriculture for harvesting, how much was ultimately lost? Just so there's some basis for this historical essay. At least Bloomberg or Reuters wouldn't be worth ripping off. Sure, it's just a random quote, but at least it's something. I read this whole thing and still haven't gotten to the point, and the comments are full of tears. But yes, "famous" experts are powerful in hindsight, and when nothing depends on them, I can't help but wonder. I can certainly credit the fact that at least some plausible constructive approach is being proposed, but all that remains is to push it to the top. Again, numbers are important here, to have something to base it on and know whether it's necessary or not. By the way, Solovyov was worried about this on the radio today. He's also probably already decided to stir up a dozen or so "samovars" (likely referring to a "samovar").
    1. -3
      7 October 2025 23: 54
      Again, someone manages to refuel both equipment and personal vehicles after losing all their refining capacity. There's no need to plan for building factories for who knows how long, when, for example, fuel is needed now. And our enemy has a temporary solution—export. Moreover, we can get fuel practically for free from so-called "Asian" factories simply in exchange for oil. It's perfectly acceptable as a temporary and operational measure, as our restless neighbors prove. Well, of course, until we build a bunch of new air defense forces and "samovars" across the country.
  38. +2
    8 October 2025 00: 15
    We have it like this
    They fought with such fervor against mini-refineries that they left no stone unturned in the industry. To please the monopolists, first and foremost
    Rosneft's first priority is to legally purchase oil for refining. I worked in this field. If we eliminate hydrotreating for desulfurizing feedstock, we can easily produce diesel fuel meeting the Soviet standard of 0.262, where 02 is the sulfur content and 62 is the flash point. Of course, at the same time, we need to withdraw from environmental agreements, which are mostly aimed at combating the ozone hole. Additives capable of reducing sulfur dioxide emissions to zero have long been available, and the idea that sulfur is harmful to engines is pure myth. Gasoline is more complicated—straight-run gasoline can be obtained in a saucepan, but high-octane gasoline is a mixture of fractions obtained through rather complex processes: cracking and reforming. While cracking is a relatively simple process, reforming is a highly sophisticated technology. A reforming column for a mini-refinery would be unprofitable, expensive, and vulnerable. The solution, again, lies in changing standards. A complete departure from European standards for aromatic additives and, in essence, a transition to American standards, where reforming is not used.
    Statistics show that leaded gasoline is still permitted in England (or was until recently). Tetraethyl lead is certainly a terrible poison, but it's not the drivers who suffer from it, but the home-based producers, who don't have adequate worker protection.
    In principle, this kind of decentralization is a perfectly viable option, and everything can be implemented quickly. No testing ground is needed. There are plenty of proven factory solutions. Yekaterinburg boasted a whole galaxy of fairly advanced manufacturers. If you add cavitation systems, you could get a very good product. For reference, even now, all gasoline above 92 octane contains quite a bit of aromatics. When I was working on fuel, including additives, I discovered that a huge amount of tetraethyl (which is banned for use) was being imported into Russia, officially, just under a different commercial name. A huge amount of organometallics (ferrocene and cymantrene) were also imported. Of course, they haven't even discontinued the methanol additive, which means the industry is still alive. Incidentally, the methanol additive is optimal. Banning methanol is a complete sabotage of the economy. Its vapors are no more toxic than ethanol, but to please the alcoholics and suicide bombers who consume it every year, we're forced to sniff isopropyl alcohol even in antifreeze. Alcohol-based gasoline has some storage limitations (it's sensitive to condensation), but from a technical standpoint, it's an excellent substitute for gasoline.
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      9 October 2025 12: 07
      An excellent solution for ersatz gasoline.

      - "Ersatz gasoline," - it smelled of something familiar, from the forties of the last century...))
  39. +1
    8 October 2025 00: 15
    Kindergarten... Son, have you ever been to a small oil refinery? Any small refinery has transportation components: raw material delivery and product shipment... storage facilities for raw materials and products... two-shift work for the plant's staff (continuous production cycle)... a quality control lab for finished products... plus suppliers of fuel additives... and all this, in your opinion, is on par with the great Chinese breakthrough, when locals smelted metal in home blast furnaces... how did that experiment end? Modern technology doesn't allow a shoemaker in his shoe shop to dilute fuel in buckets.
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      8 October 2025 13: 58
      You're absolutely right. You don't even need to be a chemical engineer to understand this; just read a book on cost accounting—you'll see that there are costs that don't depend on production volume and that become unaffordable at low volumes.
  40. 0
    8 October 2025 07: 36
    [quote simply allow and facilitate small-scale oil refining within certain limits][/quote]
    And thus only the profits of respected people? The author is encroaching on something sacred: the profits of the oligarchy.
  41. 0
    8 October 2025 12: 05
    Quote from moneron
    Kindergarten... Son, have you ever been to a small oil refinery? At any small refinery, the transportation component of bringing in raw materials and shipping out products...

    1. I was just working on mini-plants for producing biogas and biomethane from agricultural waste. You can build a very complex and expensive plant using AI for maximum profit, or you can build one that's very easy to operate and inexpensive.
    2. The most important thing here is what to do when the main oil refining facilities are disabled, when they cannot be protected from attacks. The example of Germany is very instructive. They realized what needed to be done very late. The main advantage of mini refineries is that they are incomparably easier to conceal and protect, including underground, in tunnels, and so on. And of course, the quality of the products will be worse, but better than nothing.
  42. +1
    8 October 2025 13: 54
    The author's reasoning is flawed. There's no need to preserve the refinery—we'll buy it from China, just like everything else. How is gasoline any worse than microchips?

    And the people will endure. They'll stay home and light torches—that's even better.
  43. +2
    8 October 2025 13: 54
    I haven't read everything, BUT!
    This is distributed production under martial law. With modern, delicate, "plasticine" engines designed for a strictly regulated range of fuel parameters, this won't work. And how are quality regulations to be controlled? A moonshiner will always find common ground, topic, and product quality criteria with another moonshiner. An engine is dumb, mute, and can't read. The consumer will only read what its gauges say on the dashboard with one sign: Jackie Chan. Forcing a country into a peasant-style economy is possible, but economically ineffective. Stolypin before the Revolution, and Stalin afterward, moved the country's development in a completely different direction. Peasant-style economy is certainly amusing, but Myanmar, covering one-sixth of the world's landmass, will be a tasty morsel for any effective aggressor. Hitler failed with us for many reasons, but at a very high price. Netanyahu and the Arabs are succeeding. It's easier and cheaper to replace our entire pseudo-incompetent ENTIRE governing structure. But this is an article and no one gives up power so easily.
  44. 0
    8 October 2025 16: 59
    This is all bullshit! We need to convene the UN Security Council, voice our latest and most angry concerns, and have Zakharova take the podium so she can tell us how this is all for the better. Oh, and we need to draw a nice little "red line"—we could even outline it with a white border!
    You'll see - it'll definitely help! We've done it a hundred times!
  45. 0
    8 October 2025 19: 40
    Quote: tatra
    It’s not that the systems are different, it’s that the Soviet and anti-Soviet people are fundamentally different in everything.


    Your golden words!
    And what kind of people are you a part of, if you have the time and opportunity to publish your indignation at the people on a website that someone pays for, someone places advertisements for?
    I assume that you consider yourself part of the Soviet people.
    But, excuse me, in order to do something good, it is not enough to write every week about how everyone is an enemy, how they broke everything, and how they did bad things to everyone.
  46. 0
    8 October 2025 21: 29
    All we need to do is turn off the lights in Ukraine. And the attacks will stop.
  47. +1
    9 October 2025 02: 04
    To achieve a total capacity of 180 million tons in blocks of 10 thousand tons per year, 18 thousand such blocks are needed.

    If such a small unit requires 5-6 workers (including tanker truck drivers), that would amount to a labor mobilization of 100 people. So, first, a commission needs to be created to determine the best use of the "potential hundred thousand." (The term "mobilization" is appropriate, as the commercial competitiveness of such a small-scale technology is highly questionable.) It could be that half of such a labor army would be enough to churn out/manufacture "ancient-technological" (klystron-magnetron) radars to create a chain of aerial surveillance posts around each "normal" refinery.
  48. 0
    9 October 2025 09: 04
    And who will certify and guarantee the quality of fuel from thousands of small distillation units? The scenario described in the article is applicable only in the context of a full-scale war, with martial law and a distribution system in place. The experience of the Civil War is completely irrelevant, as 90% of the population could have been self-sufficient back then. If we're to draw on past experience, the most relevant to our current situation is the US strategic resource distribution system during World War II.
  49. 0
    9 October 2025 11: 48
    Every strike on an oil refinery increases the price of fuel on the exchange, and by producing less, oil refineries make more money. No one will bother to protect the oil refineries, since this is not profitable for the oil refineries themselves.
  50. 0
    9 October 2025 13: 56
    If such a small block requires 5-6 workers (including tanker truck drivers), then this amounts to a labor mobilization of 100 thousand people.

    Mini refineries can also be directly connected to pipelines. Furthermore, they would replace approximately 18 large refineries with a capacity of 10 million tons per year, employing 3 workers, or over 50 skilled workers currently employed in oil refining. They could be used in mini refineries.
    So the additional labor mobilization will be less than 50 thousand.
  51. 0
    9 October 2025 22: 57
    We must think not about how to respond, but how to make it impossible for it to repeat itself...
  52. 0
    10 October 2025 21: 19
    Verkhoturov, what does mini refineries have to do with high-octane gasoline?

    I'll answer for myself: none. So you can delete your article.
  53. 0
    12 October 2025 03: 52
    How to completely close traffic on all borders of the country 404!!!!!!!
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  55. 0
    14 October 2025 18: 12
    I don't think Russia has any real problems with gasoline (local shortages of one kind or another don't mean much). The Russian petrochemical industry has always produced far more gasoline than Russia needed, and we exported the lion's share. Now we hardly do that; India, for example, buys our oil and refines it itself. So, our oil refining capacity is almost twice as large as our needs, and Ukraine won't be able to destroy this capacity, especially since it's all easily repaired. All this fuss, it seems to me, is needed as an excuse to "dignifiedly and nobly" destroy Ukraine's energy sector, its gas production, and destroy its gas reserves, which is largely what is happening. And this is a powerful blow not so much to Ukraine, but, above all, to Europe and the United States (they will be supplying Ukraine with gas and electricity this winter). As for Russia's gasoline problems, I think they will soon subside.
  56. 0
    19 October 2025 13: 18
    Small-scale oil refineries are certainly necessary, but in this case, they're still a passive solution. An active solution would be to extend the air defense line as close to the enemy as possible, revise the air defense approaches, and use small aircraft and aircraft-like drones as air defense assets.