A little boy found a machine gun…

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A little boy found a machine gun…

Residents of the USSR immediately understood the reference to folk poetry of the time, and I think they'll explain it in more modern terms in the comments. But yes, old Donald Trump increasingly resembles the boy from a creepy 70s poetry series or Mikhail Gorbachev from a more recent joke. There was one about Gorbachev using "innovative" (the word didn't even exist back then) methods to kill chickens. The line went, "It's a shame they died, I still had so many new ideas..."

That's something, because Trump's latest turn has caused surprise, admiration, and bewilderment all rolled into one. Strong, strong, damn it!



We're talking about battleships. Yes, Trump suddenly seems to need these ships. Something strange is going on in the US: F-117A Nighthawks, which were supposedly decommissioned long ago, are constantly being spotted in the skies, there's talk of F-22 upgrades, and now they've gotten around to battleships.


Trump said something that, I suspect, made some people in the command fleet the last hair fell out, and the others began to rub their hands with joy:

The country is once again becoming a wealthy nation. Just the other day, we uncovered $31 billion, a surprise discovery. Even my financial advisors couldn't figure out where it came from. It later turned out it was my new tariffs that brought it in. These are funds that could be used to revive the battleships.

Yes, yes, I'm thinking about battleships. We have a Navy board, and we've had discussions about that. I love looking at the Iowa in California. I don't think it's all outdated. Six-inch armor, steel. It's not aluminum that melts under missiles.

Of course, one can only be happy for a country where it is so easy to “raise” 31 billion dollars from the ground, but what Uncle Donald is going to spend it on is truly astonishing.

Trump said he had serious discussions with Navy Secretary John Phelan about the possibility of returning the battleships to artillery weapons and well-armored hulls into the structure of the US Navy. The Secretary of the Navy clearly had nowhere to go, he couldn't just sink to the bottom, so he had to talk.

But there are more questions than answers, raising questions about the wisdom and practicality of the Navy using a battleship it hasn't had in active service since 1992. At the same time, Trump's comments raise real questions about the future of naval guns for large surface warships, especially with railgun development underway worldwide, and the potential value of additional armor to protect against threats including cruise missiles and Drones.

In fact, there's certainly a lot to think about here. But we'll discuss strategy and tactics a little later; for now, we have the theory, or rather, what Trump just put forth.

Trump outlined the prospects for building a new battleship for the Navy at an unprecedented meeting of senior US officers at the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia.

"I think we should think about battleships," Trump said, adding that he had discussed the issue with Secretary Phelan. "Some people will say, 'No, that's old technology.' I don't know. I don't think it's old technology, if you look at those guns."

We're actually considering this concept: a battleship with a solid six-inch steel hull. Not aluminum, which melts when hit by a missile. And the shells are much cheaper than the missiles. We're seriously considering this.

In fact, many are unclear whether Trump was referring to attempts to reactivate any of the four former Iowa-class battleships, which are stored as museum ships in various locations across the United States, or to building new ones. It's also unclear how seriously the Navy is considering building battleships of any kind in the future.


Iowa-class battleship USS New Jersey, 1985

The Navy is striving to maintain its combat readiness at a modern level. In accordance with the upcoming National Defense Strategy, work has begun to update the assessment and requirements for combat ships. This work is aimed at deploying the right capabilities in the right numbers and in the right theater of operations. Once force structure decisions are made, they will be made public and promptly implemented. Until then, internal discussions will remain confidential.

From the official statement of the US Navy press service.

Well, that is to say, everyone there is in a state of mild... shock.

Although, it's not the first time Trump has floated the battleship idea. Ten years ago, speaking from the deck of the former USS Iowa, then-presidential candidate Trump raised the possibility of returning the ship to service if he were elected. Trump won the election, but the Iowa remained moored in the Port of Los Angeles, California, where it remains to this day. The photo from this event appears in the title of this article.

In some ways, the idea of ​​recommissioning the Iowas (or rather, recommissioning them again) reflects past experience. They were the last battleships built for the Navy, and Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin were commissioned between 1943 and 1944. All served in World War II in the Pacific and were decommissioned between 1948 and 1949 as part of the post-war naval reduction. Two more ships of this class, still under construction at the time of Japan's surrender, were completely decommissioned.


All four Iowa-class battleships together

Between 1950 and 1951, the Navy recommissioned the Iowa, New Jersey, and Wisconsin for service in the Korean War. All three battleships, as well as the Missouri, were subsequently decommissioned until 1960. The New Jersey returned briefly to service between 1968 and 1969 and served in the Vietnam War.


The Iowa shells North Korean positions on the beach in 1952.

In the 1980s, under President Ronald Reagan, four Iowa-class battleships underwent a major overhaul and modernization program before being recommissioned. The most notable changes included the installation of launchers for 32 Tomahawk land-based cruise missiles and up to 16 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, a change worth emphasizing in light of Trump's remark that "missiles are much cheaper than missiles." The ships also received new radars, electronic warfare systems, and other upgrades, including Mk 15 Phalanx short-range air defense systems.


One of the Tomahawk missile launchers on the former USS Wisconsin, now a museum ship in Norfolk, Virginia.


Tomahawk missile launch

Until the Ticonderoga-class cruisers with 122 Mk 41 vertical launch system cells and the upgraded Spruance-class destroyers with 61 Mk 41 cells entered service in the late 1980s, the modified Iowa design carried the largest number of Tomahawks of any ship in the Navy.

The four battleships continued in service until the end of the Cold War, then were decommissioned between 1990 and 1992. The Missouri and Wisconsin remained in service long enough to see action in the Persian Gulf War.


In 2015, it was conceivable, though increasingly unlikely, that the return of some of the Iowas to service would be possible. The Missouri and New Jersey were decommissioned in 1995 and 1999, respectively, but the Iowa and Wisconsin remained mothballed until 2006. They were then converted into floating museums, but Congress only authorized this under a statutory provision that the U.S. military could reclaim them if the president invoked certain provisions of the National Emergencies Act.

In 2007, lawmakers clarified that this meant, among other things, that "spare parts and unique equipment, such as 16-inch gun barrels and shells, if donated" could also be "returned if the battleships were returned to the Navy in the event of a national emergency."

The debate over the need for naval fire support for future amphibious operations was a key factor in the decision to keep the ships in mothballed condition.

Ten years later, the estimated costs and time required to restore any of the former Iowa-class battleships to combat readiness have likely increased, perhaps significantly. Restoring their aging steam propulsion systems and training personnel to operate them poses particular challenges, primarily because there are virtually no specialists left who specialize in steam boilers and turbines from the last century.


The main machinery compartment of the USS New Jersey during sea trials in 1982 before recommissioning the following year.

No country in the world currently builds new warships of the size and configuration of traditional battleships. Any attempt to do so in the United States would be extremely expensive and labor-intensive. During the last refurbishment, the Iowa had over 1500 crew members on board. This is more than five times the crew of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer. Even assuming automation could reduce this number, assigning a large number of crew members to a single surface combatant would be problematic for a Navy that has had recruitment problems in the recent past.

Furthermore, in the context of modern naval warfare, obvious questions arise about the feasibility of using very large surface combatants, which also require large crews and whose bulk is taken up by relatively short-range guns. Operating such ships in daily life would be extremely expensive and could create other challenges for the US Navy, which is struggling to maintain its existing fleet.

However, just 100 years ago, the military in this world had completely different preferences.


A ship using gunfire must approach at very close range to use it. weapon against any target, while the enemy's anti-access and area-denial capabilities are only expanding. This further narrows the range of operations they can conduct, given that in many cases, a ship could end up within range of enemy weapons. Such a ship is already a priority target for enemy forces, making it difficult to conduct more independent operations without the involvement of a larger surface force.

The future of amphibious operations, which rely most effectively on naval fire support, is increasingly being called into question. Since 2020, the US Marine Corps has been conducting a complete reorganization of its force structure, focusing on new operational concepts that place significantly less emphasis on deployment by traditional large amphibious ships.

Trump's statement yesterday that naval ammunition is cheaper than missiles is true, but this reality doesn't exist in a vacuum. Missiles have become the primary weapon of surface ships around the world for striking targets at sea, on land, and in the air, largely due to the far greater range and accuracy they offer compared to even very large-caliber guns.

Large surface warships in service today, including those in the US Navy, are typically equipped with at least one dual-purpose gun, but its role is clearly secondary to the missile launchers, as these guns are much smaller than those on the Iowa-class ships. Depending on the class, navies today carry guns ranging from 76mm to 130mm.

In addition, they are usually equipped with a variety of other weapons, of smaller caliber, but for close-range anti-aircraft and now also anti-drone defense.

However, it must be acknowledged that intercepting a cruise missile is simpler than intercepting a 406mm projectile. As American experiments have shown, creating an interceptor missile with a Doppler-based seeker is possible, just as effectively intercepting a projectile is possible. The only question is at what cost. Intercepting a 406mm projectile that costs $11,000 with a missile that costs $1,660,000.


An Iowa-class battleship fires nine 406mm shells in a single salvo. That's a minimum of $15 million to neutralize. Considering the 16"/50 Mark 7 gun is capable of firing two rounds per minute (and did so in the same Battle of the Philippine Sea in 1944), that's $30 million per minute to neutralize.

You might say, "The Arleigh Burke" can fire more missiles, but interceptors aren't any cheaper." Yes, that's true. However, it's one thing to target a missile that produces a decent heat signature, has working radar sensors, and is a 6-7 meter long metal cigar, thus detectable in the radio spectrum. It's quite another to target a projectile that's simply inertial flight and is a 1,6 meter long, 0,4 meter diameter dummy. As the saying goes, target as much as you want. The main thing is to make it while the projectile is in the air.


The US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyer fires its 127mm gun.

It's worth noting that senior Navy officials have previously discussed the need to consider future naval warfare plans beyond the total number of missile launchers, especially given the fleet's reduced size. Key to these discussions was how to fill the gaps left by the retirement of the last Ticonderoga-class cruisers, now scheduled for the end of the decade, which will lead to the decommissioning of hundreds of vertical launch tube cells. However, large-caliber guns, historically associated with battleships, were not considered as an alternative.

Concepts have been put forward in the past for battleship-like arsenal ships equipped with hundreds of vertical launch tubes that could simply carry missiles that would be controlled from normal ships.


An illustration from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency showing a simulated arsenal ship built in the 1990s.

We've already seen the serious controversy surrounding the Zumwalt-class destroyers. A pair of 155mm Advanced Gun Systems (AGS), concealed within stealth turrets and complemented by specialized long-range projectiles, was a key feature of the final DDG-1000 design, clearly designed to meet the growing demand for naval fire support.


However, the proposed munitions for the anti-aircraft guns became so expensive that the Navy decided not to purchase them, rendering the anti-aircraft guns effectively useless. The Navy is currently removing at least one turret from each of its three DDG-1000-class destroyers to convert them to launch intermediate-range Conventional Prompt Strike (IRCPS) hypersonic missiles.

Defense spending cuts immediately following the end of the Cold War led the Navy to significantly scale back its plans for the Zumwalt-class. Consequently, only three ships were built, one of which has yet to be commissioned. The DDG-1000 program incurred significant costs and faced serious technical challenges amid persistent questions about the ships' intended roles and missions. USS Zumwalt, USS Michael Monsoor, and the future USS Lyndon B. Johnson are currently assigned to a unit focused primarily on research and development, as well as test and evaluation. The cost of maintaining this small fleet of exotic ships remains a pressing question.


A group of photographs showing the installation of the new IRCPS hypersonic missile launchers on the USS Zumwalt.

There's a developmental avenue that could significantly expand the capabilities of naval weapons: railguns. These weapons, which use electromagnets rather than chemical propellants to launch projectiles at very high speeds, could offer a new and flexible way to quickly engage targets at sea, on land, and in the air, at significant ranges for a weapon. Railguns also offer advantages over missiles in terms of magazine capacity and per-shot cost.

Between 2005 and 2021, the Navy worked intensively to develop a functional railgun. The projected cost of the projectiles for this weapon was approximately $100,000. This was not only cheaper than missiles, but also much cheaper than the projectiles the Navy was developing for the guns on the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, which cost up to $800,000 per projectile before the project was canceled.

The US Navy suspended work, at least publicly, on a naval railgun prototype in the early 2020s, citing technical difficulties. Planned sea trials have been repeatedly postponed. Development of ammunition for use in existing 127mm naval guns, as well as land-based weapon systems, continues.

Other countries, including China, have also been developing this capability in recent years. This could herald the coming emergence of a new category of gun-armed naval vessels, which some experts and observers have sarcastically described as something like the second coming of the battleship.

Trump's remarks also touched on the fact that battleships like the Iowa offered a higher level of physical protection than modern surface combatants. In particular, battleships have historically featured thick armor belts along the outer hull and below the waterline. The Iowa's main armor belts, composed of 307mm-thick Class A cemented armor plates, were mounted at an angle, resulting in a thickness of 349mm. This would clearly require new types of weapons today, as penetrating armor of such thickness (and it's worth remembering that any battleship has a steel backing beneath the main armor belt, with cement between the backing and the armor plates) would prove a formidable challenge for modern anti-ship missiles.

It's also unclear what exactly the president meant when he mentioned "aluminum." Aluminum and aluminum alloys offer certain advantages in shipbuilding, particularly in terms of weight and cost. However, for many years, there has been debate about their relative strength, as well as their lower melting point and fire resistance compared to available steels.

Persistent cracks in the aluminum superstructures of the Ticonderoga-class cruisers played a significant role in the Navy's decision to switch to an all-steel design for the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. The all-aluminum Independence-class littoral combat ships also suffered from cracks for many years.


Independence-class littoral combat ship

A modern version of the armor belts found on traditional battleships could provide additional layers of protection against anti-ship cruise missiles, including those with specially designed penetrating warheads.

Beyond battleships, Donald Trump has for many years taken a very active interest in Navy ship design. At the end of his first term, the president claimed to have personally intervened to transform the Constellation-class frigate from a "terrible-looking ship" into a "yacht with missiles."

"I don't like some of your ships. I'm a very aesthetic person, and I don't like some of your ships from an aesthetic standpoint," Trump said during another speech today. "They say, 'Oh, it's stealth.' I say it's an ugly ship."

Even before he was confirmed, Navy Secretary Phelan said Trump also texted him in the middle of the night to complain about what is commonly referred to as "rust problems" on American warships.

In 2017, Trump also proposed that the Navy abandon the electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) used on Ford-class aircraft carriers and return to steam-powered catapults. The EMALS system had been a source of problems for years, requiring the Navy to expend significant resources to address the issue.

All of this is happening as the Navy continues to struggle to acquire and commission new warships, as well as modernize its fleet overall, not to mention maintain existing vessels. The Constellation-class frigate program, already three years behind schedule and slated to deliver the first ship nearly ten years after the initial contract, has become a prime example of these shortcomings. Constellation was supposed to reduce risks and costs by using a serial design as a starting point, but the ship now shares only about 15% of its design with its parent project, the Franco-Italian multi-purpose frigate Fregata Europea Multi-Missione (FREMM), a development that has left Congress feeling less than optimistic.


An image of the future frigate USS Constellation

"Frankly, all of our programs are a complete mess," Secretary Phelan told members of Congress during a June hearing. "Our most effective program is six months behind schedule and 57% over budget."

In recent years, the Trump administration and Congress have sought to reverse these trends, including by incentivizing American shipbuilders and exploring opportunities to attract foreign companies. The Navy is also increasingly focusing on acquiring more small vessels, including unmanned ones, to strengthen its capabilities and operational capabilities, and maximize the efficient use of existing resources.

It's important to remember that Trump often makes grandiose statements about potential future military purchases that never materialize.

Nevertheless, the Iowa-class battleships, built in the 40s, saw service in the wars of the 20th century with flying colors. They supported American forces in operations in Korea, Vietnam, and even during Operation Desert Storm.

But with the advent of smart, fast anti-ship missiles capable of attacking such giants in a controlled swarm from beyond the range of their defensive weapons, maintaining such enormous ships, which cost over $2 billion per year per unit, became completely pointless.

Moreover, the thick armor of battleships is no panacea. Unarmored aircraft carriers proved more effective, as they were simply able to push all potential threats a considerable distance away with their air wings.

However, old Donald often gets carried away. Perhaps it's due to his overly close contact with a certain Eastern European president who has mastered practically the entire spectrum of complex substances, or perhaps something else. But the recent release of information about battleships could simply be another public statement. Like a reconciliation between warring countries.

So it's no wonder the White House calls the moments when Trump reconciles Albania and Azerbaijan "those days." Maybe he'll even let them go, and the battleships will remain in place. And, in our parlance, just because a little boy finds a machine gun doesn't mean the village is in danger.
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  1. 11+
    6 October 2025 05: 24
    Maybe he will let go, and the battleships will remain in their places.
    Has Trump outdone Zhirinovsky, or are they equal in their statements? belay
    1. 10+
      6 October 2025 05: 55
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Has Trump outdone Zhirinovsky, or are they equal in their statements?

      I suspect Donnie will give plenty of reasons to "analyze" his ramblings. I wonder when people will stop taking his statements seriously altogether.
      P.S.: The other day, the Albanian Prime Minister mocked Donny in front of everyone.
      1. +3
        6 October 2025 09: 29
        This prime minister, for example, could die from rapid cancer. Yes
    2. +3
      6 October 2025 06: 25
      No options, Donya............)
    3. +2
      6 October 2025 13: 40
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      And Trump has outdone Zhirinovsky

      Not yet, but he has every chance.
      He still keeps trying.
    4. +8
      6 October 2025 15: 24
      A series of tests have shown that battleships are relatively resistant to the damaging effects of nuclear weapons.
      During the exercises, the artillery cruiser withstood several anti-ship missile hits and was sunk after bombing.
      Suitable for supporting marine operations, blocking (attention China) sea communications.
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 20: 25
        The Chinese couldn't care less. They have no intention of testing the mattresses for combat effectiveness. Talk of indivisible territory is just words and slogans; the Chinese traders will never cut off a branch they can sit on.
        A battleship would be very useful in modern battles, too. It's just very expensive to maintain.
      2. 0
        7 October 2025 02: 49
        Quote: knn54
        Battleships are relatively resistant to the damaging effects of nuclear weapons... the artillery cruiser withstood several anti-ship missile hits and was sunk after the bombing.

        That's true, but it all depends on the yield of the nuclear warhead and the calculated destruction radius... They can withstand 10 kt, but with 100 or 150 kt and a close (3,0 - 3,5 km) detonation, the SBP could flip over if they are too close to the shock wave. Or they could receive a huge dose of radioactive decay... which would incapacitate the crew.
        But there's a problem. The PLA Navy is armed with DF-17/21D ballistic missiles, which will definitely sink a battleship if hit from above in the ship's forward projection. And the whales are already training in the Gobi Desert using the silhouettes of the anti-ship missiles. When battleships appear, their silhouettes will be added. The Bismarck also sent the Hood to the bottom with a single shell from above. And the battleship Bismarck received everything the British had in their arsenal, even torpedoes from pistol range, in its broadside. So—from above! And preferably in the main battery magazine.
        Quote: knn54
        Suitable for supporting marine operations, blocking (attention China) sea communications.
        In the fight for the islands of the third ring—yes. But further on, things will get more problematic. And then—aircraft are the scourge of surface ships. Yamamoto is an example of this.
    5. +1
      6 October 2025 20: 54
      I compared... Volfovich was a rock, and Trampusha loves to buzz. On various topics.
  2. +6
    6 October 2025 05: 27
    In principle, if you remove the guns, which are enormous in mass and volume, you can turn a battleship into a decent carrier of modern weapons. Yes, the target is large and noticeable, but aircraft carriers aren't small either. And with such armor, not every unmanned combat vessel can take it. The rich, as they say, have their own quirks. Let them have their fun, but Russia needs a powerful submarine and Arctic fleet.
    1. 22+
      6 October 2025 05: 52
      Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
      In principle, if you remove the guns, which have enormous mass and bulk, you can turn a battleship into a decent carrier for modern weapons. Yes, the target is large and visible, but aircraft carriers aren't small either. And with such armor, not every unmanned combat vessel can take it out.

      Somewhere Oleg Kaptsov raises his finger and exclaims, "I told you so!"
      1. +2
        6 October 2025 07: 16
        Well, apparently he's not that wrong.
        1. +3
          6 October 2025 09: 23
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Well, apparently he's not that wrong.

          I remember we were constantly arguing with Kaptsov about this issue. Yes smile
          But, as the powers that be are now saying, there is a nuance!
          Battleship defense required countering essentially random shell hits. A shell, regardless of the firer's intentions, could hit any point on a ship at the ranges of the time. The number of hits depended on the duration of the battle, weather conditions, the skill of the fire director, enemy maneuvering, and other objective and subjective factors. The quality of the hits depended on the quality of the shells themselves, the shell type, the fuse type, and its reliability. Therefore, critical parts of the ship were protected with armor, giving time to destroy the enemy. Because no armor is a panacea, and with prolonged exposure, the number of hits becomes the quality, as shells that hit unprotected or weakly protected parts still cause damage. And while your armor is doing its job, damaging engines, turrets, and magazines, damaging the ends leads to flooding, which in turn causes listing and pitching, negatively impacting your shooting. Damage to the superstructure also destroys observation equipment and starts fires. All in all, this effectively reduces the ship's combat capabilities, effectively rendering it out of action.
          So, in this case, the missile acts as a projectile, striking unprotected parts. Moreover, the mass of its warhead can be greater than that of the projectile, so the damage will be significant. Considering that all radars are configured and unarmored parts are cluttered with cables, a hit from two or three missiles can disable a ship without sinking it. And missiles don't hit randomly, but intentionally. This change in the very concept of combat led to the consignment of armored artillery ships to history.
          Kaptsov had the idea that the missile wouldn't penetrate the armor at the waterline. It wouldn't. But the missile would destroy everything above it, so if you're blind, you're as good as dead. request
          A more understandable analogy: an infantry fighting vehicle with a 30mm cannon destroys all the optics on a tank's turret in seconds, rendering it helpless. The tank isn't destroyed, but it can't fire effectively, so it's useless if it can't perform its intended task.
          1. +5
            6 October 2025 12: 10
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Battleship defense required countering essentially random shell hits. A shell, regardless of the firer's intentions, could hit any point on a ship at the ranges of the time. The number of hits depended on the duration of the battle, weather conditions, the skill of the fire director, enemy maneuvering, and other objective and subjective factors. The quality of the shells depended on the quality of the shells themselves, the type of shell, the type of fuse, and its reliability. Therefore, critical parts of the ship were protected with armor, giving time to destroy the enemy.

            There is one more factor here - ballistics. Defense of battleships involves countering essentially random shell hits, flying along a more or less predictable trajectory, hitting the target at known angles and with a known velocity (which is always less than the initial velocity, and the further the projectile flies, the less). Hence all these zones of free maneuvering under fire from guns of a specific caliber of a specific country—when deck armor is not yet penetrated, and side armor is no longer.
            Anti-ship missiles multiply all these calculations by zero. The angle from the normal upon impact with the armor—even zero, strictly perpendicular. The warhead's velocity upon impact—and that's only as fast as the booster can handle. So we get a picture equivalent to being fired at point-blank range by 305-356mm armor-piercing shells. Can the armor of a battleship withstand that?
            And this is also on the condition that the anti-ship missile does not select the point of impact.
          2. +1
            6 October 2025 12: 19
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Kaptsov had the idea that the missile wouldn't penetrate the armor at the waterline. Yes, it wouldn't. But the missile would destroy everything above it, so if you're blind, you're as good as dead.
            A more understandable analogy: an infantry fighting vehicle with a 30mm cannon destroys all the optics on a tank's turret in seconds, rendering it helpless. The tank isn't destroyed, but it can't fire effectively, so it's useless if it can't perform its intended task.

            You are forgetting one important detail.
            Killed means that the ship lies on the bottom, its recovery is impossible, and the crew, at best, 90% of the time, receives posthumous awards.
            And if he goes blind, can't perform a task, etc., this means that the ship is not going to sink, it can be repaired, and the crew is mostly alive and well.
            Of course, armor is not a panacea, and it never was, but it is a chance to survive.
            1. +1
              6 October 2025 13: 24
              Quote: Dart2027
              And if he goes blind, can't perform a task, etc., this means that the ship is not going to sink, it can be repaired, and the crew is mostly alive and well.

              Well... Unfortunately, history knows other examples. wink
              "Exeter" didn't sink after a couple of hits, but in that game it was "killed", crawling back to base using a boat compass.
              The South Dakota, off Guadalcanal, took a slew of hits to its mast and superstructure from cruisers and destroyers during the night, lost communications and radar, and... withdrew from the battle. It also didn't sink... The point isn't necessarily to sink the ship, but to make sure it doesn't interfere with your mission.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Of course, armor is not a panacea, and it never was, but it is a chance to survive.

              That's what I was talking about - armor gives stability, giving time to inflict more damage on the enemy and take him out of the fight (or drown him - it depends on the person request )
              1. +3
                6 October 2025 14: 15
                Quote: Rurikovich
                The point is not to necessarily sink the ship, but to make sure that it does not affect the completion of your task.

                That's true, but I'd rather be on board a ship that has at least some chance of surviving a hit than on a modern tin can that can be sunk by anything.
                1. +1
                  6 October 2025 14: 47
                  It is possible to survive a hit even on a modern ship wink
                  It all depends on the ship's size, the number and quality of watertight bulkheads, flood control measures, and the experienced crew. The presence of armor does not guarantee that a hit can be survived. wink
                  1. -2
                    6 October 2025 16: 04
                    Quote: Rurikovich
                    It is possible to survive a hit even on a modern ship

                    If you manage to drop everything and run away right away.
                    1. 0
                      6 October 2025 18: 21
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      If you manage to drop everything and run away right away

                      Then it would be better to sit at home on the shore. wink
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2025 19: 24
                        Quote: Rurikovich
                        It's better to sit at home on the shore

                        As I already wrote, this is true, but I would rather be on board a ship that has at least some chance of surviving a hit than on a modern tin can that can be sunk by anything.
              2. +9
                6 October 2025 15: 31
                Quote: Rurikovich
                At night, the South Dakota, off Guadalcanal, took numerous hits from cruisers and destroyers in its mast and superstructure, lost communications and radar, and... withdrew from the battle.

                Once upon a time there lived "South Dakota"... it's her own fault. smile
                What I mean is that the failure of communications, radar, and generally the problems with the power supply in that battle were not the result of Japanese hits, but the operation of the LK’s own electromechanical warhead.
                These smart guys, after shutting down Main Distribution Board #4 (due to a short circuit in the consumer circuits of Main Distribution Board #4, the input protection tripped, disconnecting it from the generators), instead of fixing the short circuit, simply connected power to Main Distribution Board #4 from Main Distribution Board #3 by connecting a jumper. "Bang," said the input protection of Main Distribution Board #3, cutting it off from the generators as well.
                "Ah-ah-ah-ah," said the electricians, and energized the main switchboard #4-#3 connection from main switchboard #2. Without fixing the short circuit! "Bang," said the protection at the main switchboard #2 input, cutting it off from the generators as well.
                "Ah-ah-ah," said the electricians, and attempted to power the main switchboard #4-main switchboard #3-main switchboard #2 connection from main switchboard #1. "You're screwed!" said Chief Electrician's Mate, Shaeffer, and refused to comply, preserving the only working main switchboard in the entire LK. laughing
                1. +3
                  6 October 2025 18: 20
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  What I mean is that the failure of communications, radar, and generally problems with the power supply in that battle were not the result of Japanese hits, but the operation of the LK’s own electromechanical warhead.

                  Well, you know how history is written here. request F. Sherman withdrew after numerous Japanese hits to the mast and superstructure. feel So, admitting that the clumsy electricians are to blame... No, let there be a heroic battle instead. fellow hi
        2. +5
          6 October 2025 09: 23
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Well, apparently he's not that wrong.

          The fact that Donnie is "on the same wavelength" with him does not mean that he is right; I trust Donnie much less than Oleg Koptsov.
        3. +1
          6 October 2025 13: 44
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Well, apparently he's not that wrong.

          How can I say... Trump rightly noted that a shell is cheaper than a missile.
          Although he didn't say how much. But what's the lifespan of a 406mm barrel?
          And if you count everything together, the shells and the replacement of barrels, it’s quite
          It's possible that the missiles won't be all that bad, in terms of money.
          1. +1
            6 October 2025 17: 37
            The issue is more a matter of armor, and radars can be hidden behind armored blinds during incoming attacks. And if the projectile is made rocket-assisted, the range will increase dramatically, and there are ways to improve accuracy. And cramming Tomahawks and the like under the armor is a godsend.
            1. 0
              6 October 2025 18: 21
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Radars can be hidden behind armored blinds

              I doubt it.

              Quote: novel xnumx
              If the projectile is made active-reactive, then the range will increase dramatically

              And the price will increase.
              I recently read that the Zumvolts were supposed to fire their monstrous cannons at satellites, but even that turned out to be expensive. The shells cost nearly a million.
              And 406 mm - can you imagine how small a series this is?
              And no enemy will spare any missiles on the battleship.

              Quote: novel xnumx
              And God himself ordered to stuff tomahawks and the like under the armor

              During the modernization, all missiles on the deck were installed.
              Otherwise, why reserve the deck?
            2. 0
              6 October 2025 18: 29
              Quote: novel xnumx
              The issue is more a matter of armoring, and radars can be hidden behind armored blinds during landing.

              Yeah, that's where you need to place the radar to hide it behind ARMOR (adequate, capable of at least protecting it from shrapnel), so that it doesn't harm stability???
              Quote: novel xnumx
              And God himself ordered to stuff tomahawks and the like under the armor

              Well, no one's arguing about that—even today, local armoring of magazines and launcher boxes is encouraged. We're talking about extensive armoring at the waterline, which can impact a ship's unsinkability, and the practicality of such armoring in the era of anti-ship cruise missiles, which don't strike at the waterline, but much higher, which would still disable the ship without sinking.
    2. 0
      6 October 2025 13: 41
      Yes, battleships are perfectly fine as is. But leveling the coastline of, say, Yemen or some other banana republic, guarded by Arleigh Burke-class fighters, would be perfectly acceptable. But what a picture for the media. Chasing drug cartels is also fine. After all, the A-10 is still in use... And that's roughly the same thing in the era of layered air defense. But there's always some Honduras without air defense.
    3. 0
      6 October 2025 17: 00
      Yes, even a boat won't be taken by the back with the fleet's reconnaissance in operation; some reaper will burn it a hundred kilometers away and put a missile right into the fire ship.
    4. +1
      6 October 2025 17: 04
      Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
      In principle, if you remove the guns, which are enormous in mass and volume, you can turn a battleship into a decent carrier of modern weapons. Yes, the target is large and noticeable, but aircraft carriers aren't small either. And with such armor, not every unmanned combat vessel can take it. The rich, as they say, have their own quirks. Let them have their fun, but Russia needs a powerful submarine and Arctic fleet.

      American bigwigs considered such battleship conversion projects in the 50s, 60s, and 80s. And they never had enough money. Even they
    5. 0
      9 October 2025 15: 04
      will soon be useless...unfortunately.
  3. +4
    6 October 2025 05: 29
    Residents of the USSR immediately understood the reference to folk poems of that time, and I think they will explain it to more modern ones in the comments.

    "A little boy found a machine gun.
    "Nobody lives in the village anymore." request

    I only remember this, although it seems like there were options...
    1. +5
      6 October 2025 05: 45
      There are dozens of these poems about "life situations." For example...
      The boy stuck two fingers into the socket. What was left was collected in a newspaper. laughing
      1. +5
        6 October 2025 05: 48
        That yes laughing
        "The children in the basement played Gestapo.
        Plumber Potapov was brutally tortured."

        "A little boy was playing at a construction site,
        I accidentally fell into a barrel of gasoline,
        Just poked his nose out of the barrel,
        A kind passerby lit a match..."

        This is what I remember off the top of my head. laughing
        1. +5
          6 October 2025 07: 39
          .
          Quote: Chifka
          The kids in the basement were playing the Gestapo.
          Brutally tortured plumber Potapov
          The legs are nailed to the back of the head.
          He never gave out where he hid the bottle.

          Children played Sasha Ulyanov,
          They threw a bomb at Romanov's car.*

          *G. V. Romanov, First Secretary of the Leningrad Regional Committee, member of the Politburo
          1. 0
            6 October 2025 16: 42
            The legs are nailed to the back of the head.
            He never gave out where he hid the bottle.

            Exactly, I forgot this continuation. good
        2. 0
          7 October 2025 00: 03
          The children were playing hospital in the basement.
          Plumber Sinitsyn died in childbirth.
      2. +4
        6 October 2025 07: 06
        Quote: Chifka
        A little boy found a machine gun.
        No one lives in the village anymore.

        A little boy found Pershing II.
        Pressed the red button at the wing
        For a long time the Japanese could not understand
        What kind of fungus is growing in the distance...
    2. +7
      6 October 2025 06: 07
      Bones in a row
      Asterisks in a row
      A tram ran over a detachment of Octobrists
      or
      A girl found a grenade in a field
      What is this she asked her grandfather
      Pull the ring, grandfather told her
      The bow flew over the field for a long time
      Well, and my favorite:
      Two lovers lay in the rye
      The harvester stood quietly at the boundary
      He stood quietly and walked quietly.
      Someone found a bra in a loaf of bread.
      wassat drinks
      1. +2
        6 October 2025 06: 11
        Someone diligently downvoted almost the entire thread. laughing Looks like I didn't get enough sleep. It's Monday... request
        1. +1
          6 October 2025 06: 13
          Looks like I didn't get enough sleep. It's Monday... request

          No, he felt "ashamed for the country." wassat drinks
      2. +1
        6 October 2025 08: 24
        This is a classic of the genre, but there were also examples in other verse sizes:
        I asked the mechanic Petrov:
        Why do you have a wire around your neck?
        The uncle is silent and doesn’t answer,
        He only swings his bots in the air......
    3. +1
      6 October 2025 07: 17
      Grandpa is old - he doesn't care
    4. 0
      6 October 2025 11: 25
      No one else lives in the village. Except for Grandfather Archimedes, who has a torpedo.
    5. 0
      6 October 2025 22: 03
      Quote: Chifka
      "A little boy found a machine gun.
      "Nobody lives in the village anymore."

      The girl Masha is the general's daughter.
      I pressed the red button on the remote control.
      The Oscar rocket took off quickly.
      There is no longer an island of Madagascar.
    6. LMN
      0
      9 October 2025 02: 21
      A little boy found a rope
      He came to school with this rope.
      The leader and the children laughed for a long time.
      The bald director is hanging in the toilet.
  4. +8
    6 October 2025 05: 32
    At the time of its most recent refurbishment, the Iowa had over 1500 crew members on board. This is more than five times the crew of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer. Even assuming automation could reduce this number, assigning so many crew members to a single surface combatant would be problematic for a Navy that has had recruitment problems in the recent past.

    Each of the 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers has a crew three times larger than the Iowa-class battleships... But that's not the point. The point is that armor already lost the race against aerial bombs, and now it has even less of a chance against a missile. And Trump's words are just the words of a populist. They're seriously stuck even with frigates, they can't keep up with the two-pennant-per-year schedule with submarines, Berks are taking a year or two longer to build than they did three decades ago, and so on. So what battleships are we talking about?
    1. ANB
      +1
      6 October 2025 09: 40
      So, what battleships are we talking about?

      So, it seems like it's all the same old story. Iowa. The new USA can hardly handle it.
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 13: 08
        Quote: ANB
        So, it seems, it's all about the same old Iowas.

        A comprehensive modernization of each of the "dinosaurs" will cost the equivalent of ten new Berks... Has the Pentagon gone crazy?
        1. +3
          6 October 2025 13: 54
          Quote: Doccor18
          A comprehensive modernization of each of the "dinosaurs" will cost the equivalent of ten new Berks...

          Yes, all the critics of the modernization of Nakhimov and Peter will be envious.

          Quote: Doccor18
          Has the Pentagon gone crazy?

          No. We just didn't fully grasp Trump's sense of beauty.
          I think battleships are in the same category as stealth - not pretty.
        2. ANB
          +1
          6 October 2025 16: 11
          What if I just paint it? :)
          1. +2
            6 October 2025 21: 28
            Quote: ANB
            What if I just paint it? :)

            laughing
            So the "future Nobel peacemaker" doesn't want to paint them, but rather use them in battle...
            1. ANB
              +1
              6 October 2025 21: 32
              . and to use in battles..

              The New Jersey made quite a mark in Beirut back in the day. And they didn't even spend tens of billions on modernization. Even if they were just painted and greased, these battleships could still do a lot of damage.
              1. +2
                6 October 2025 21: 51
                Quote: ANB
                New Jersey made a name for itself in Beirut

                More than forty years have passed, and the world has changed. Even the "boys in sandals" have learned to launch missiles... This mastodon will need to be guarded more carefully than an aircraft carrier. And what good is it? Delivering 406-mm shells 35 km? Even self-propelled guns can "snap back" at it from the shore, not to mention anti-ship missiles... It's all doubtful.
                1. ANB
                  +1
                  6 October 2025 22: 46
                  The options are:
                  1. Approach and beat up anyone who doesn't have powerful anti-ship missiles. A 155mm self-propelled gun is like a drop in the bucket for an elephant. But that's official.
                  2. Actually. Can you even imagine what a luxurious yacht this is? I was in the Admiral's Salon on Alexander Nevsky (I was cleaning it). That's a cruiser. And this one's a full-blown battleship. And no one else has one like it, only the President of the United States. :)
                  1. +1
                    7 October 2025 11: 07
                    Quote: ANB
                    Come up and beat up those who don't have powerful anti-ship missiles

                    That is, to throw away tens of yards in the hopes of an obviously weak opponent...
                    Quote: ANB
                    A 155mm self-propelled gun is like a pellet to an elephant.

                    Well, how can I say, it’s quite possible to damage the antennas.
                    Quote: ANB
                    Can you imagine what a luxurious yacht this is?

                    Nope. I've been on the Varyag, and it was a colossal experience! It's hard to even imagine a vessel 1,5 times larger...
                    Quote: ANB
                    And no one else has these, only the US President. :)

                    That is yes. It inspires.
    2. -1
      6 October 2025 16: 17
      >> armor has already lost the competition with an aerial bomb.

      Which, of course, is complete nonsense, otherwise the surviving battleships would not have been kept in reserves after the war until the early 60s.
      Or, to put it mildly, an extreme simplification of the picture, suitable only for superficial school encyclopedias.
      The same applies to missiles.
      smile smile smile
      1. +1
        6 October 2025 21: 37
        Quote from Evil Eye
        of course, it is complete nonsense

        Quote from Evil Eye
        only suitable for superficial school encyclopedias

        Therefore, being an unrivaled expert on naval history, you will certainly be able to explain why after WWII only two representatives of this class entered service, and even then they were laid down before the war...
        1. -2
          6 October 2025 22: 06
          You ask, and we answer. Because the "decision makers" were profoundly affected by the advent of nuclear weapons, on the one hand, and America's de facto establishment of global dominance, on the other. That's why the entire navy was nearly cancelled. If you'd delved a little deeper into the subject, you'd know what turmoil raged within the naval establishment.
          For example, Stalin, on the contrary, was reluctant to allocate funds for aircraft carriers that had "supposedly demonstrated their unbelievable toughness," while he actually wanted to build battleships. And the US was also considering reducing the navy to a carrier for infantry and armored vehicles, which the admirals rebelled against (peacefully, but in defiance of chain of command, they went public with their statements in the media) – Google "admirals' revolt of 1949."
          But even after this, decision-makers doubted the need for the fleet and tried to castrate it; in our country it was Khrushchev, and in the US it was the American Khrushchev, whose last name was McNamara.

          And only after Vietnam did everything return to normal, but the US already had battleships in the closet and even fought, while other countries no longer even had a full-fledged navy, except for the USSR, but the USSR had cruisers and not even in the closet.

          Thank you for your attention, this was Skeletor, the educational specialist. Google, search, and you will be given.
          1. +2
            7 October 2025 11: 57
            Quote from Evil Eye
            Because the "decision makers" were profoundly influenced by the advent of nuclear weapons on the one hand, and the de facto establishment of American dominance on a global scale on the other.

            But at the same time, those same people in Great Britain are quite willing to lay down a whole series of Centaur aircraft carriers, especially towards the end of the war, and the last one only after victory... Meanwhile, they're decommissioning a dozen battleships, and only the hard-won Vanguard remains in the fleet until 60. That's it. Even France, in the 50s, was laying down a couple of 30-kilometer aircraft carriers, with half of the battleships decommissioned in the late 40s, the rest being retired in the mid-50s. But what's remarkable is that they have no plans to abandon aircraft carriers. Apparently, they weren't so impressed by nuclear weapons and American dominance...
            Quote from Evil Eye
            Stalin, on the contrary, was reluctant to allocate money for aircraft carriers that "supposedly demonstrated their incredible coolness."

            Why "sort of"? Of the nine Allied battleships destroyed, five were destroyed by air power...
            The Axis fleets are even more interesting: of the 4 German battleships, 3 were destroyed by air power one way or another, and of the 17 Japanese battleships, 9... Yes
            Quote from Evil Eye
            but I wanted to build battleships

            But in the early 50s, three heavy cruisers were laid down... request
            Quote from Evil Eye
            But even after this, decision-makers doubted the need for the fleet and tried to castrate it; in our country it was Khrushchev, and in the US it was the American Khrushchev, whose last name was McNamara.

            Initially, we were talking about the end of the battleship era, and now you're talking about the problems and goals of the entire fleet...
            Quote from Evil Eye
            It was only after Vietnam that everything returned to normal, but the US already had its battleships in the closet.

            Why "in the closet"? Aircraft carriers haven't been in the closet for 85 years, and "surprisingly" to some, they continue to be actively built by all countries with the resources and expertise. And how many battleships have rolled off the slipways in the last 75 years? Oh, wow. belay no one.
            Quote from Evil Eye
            You were with the literacy teacher Skeletor. Google it.

            You don't need to google, you need to read, comrade "educational program specialist".
            1. 0
              21 October 2025 18: 17
              Hello everyone, I'm back.

              >> Don't "google" but read, comrade "educationalist"

              No, in your case, it's Google. If you had Googled it, you wouldn't have written such nonsense.

              >> But at the same time, the same people in Great Britain are quite willing to lay down a whole series of Centaur aircraft carriers, especially towards the end of the war, and the last one even after the victory... But they are writing off a dozen battleships

              Okay, let's compare the warm and the soft. Let's compare the number of decommissioned battleships and the number of aircraft carriers built – it's like comparing the number of deaths in one country with the number of births in another in a demographic dispute. Excellent approach, I approve. But what about the fact that all ships of all types were decommissioned en masse after the war? This was partly due to the cost savings on military expenditures (in the face of the need to restore the economy and in the hope that war would not break out anytime soon), and yes, nuclear weapons. Moreover, the ships built before the war were largely obsolete, and those built during the war were somewhat hastily constructed. Naturally, all of this absolutely needed to be updated.
              Let's take Britain specifically.
              Britain decommissioned at least 110 Flower-class escort corvettes – so what? Are the corvettes obsolete?
              Almost all the escort carriers, of which dozens were built, were put into reserve in the early 50s; no new ones were built. Are aircraft carriers obsolete too? Oh, no, only a specific type.
              All 50 rotten destroyers received by Britain in the base-for-base deal were decommissioned by the end of the 40s. Were the destroyers obsolete, too? No, after the war, Daring-class gun-carrying destroyers were built and remained in service until the 70s, without any significant modernization.
              And so on and so forth. Exactly the same thing happened in the Soviet ground army – in the late 40s, they stopped building the legendary T-34 and developed a new tank.
              And yes, if you had googled it, you would have known that Britain built these very Centaurs with great difficulty due to economic difficulties, and 3 out of 4 aircraft of this type immediately turned out to be obsolete, so after 5-10 years they were converted into commando carriers.
              There was no money, so they built what they could. Aircraft carriers were more necessary, as the dying Britain clearly no longer had the strength for amphibious operations against a fortified coastline, and without building aircraft carriers, they risked being left without a combat-ready navy at all.

              The Americans didn't write off anything, but simply placed their newest battleships in reserve—both the South Dakotas and the Iowas.

              >> Why "sort of"? Of the nine Allied battleships destroyed, five were destroyed by air power...
              The Axis fleets are even more interesting: of the 4 German battleships, 3 were destroyed by air power one way or another, and of the 17 Japanese battleships, 9...

              This is all an unscientific myth, thoroughly analyzed by Alexander Timokhin in a related article. Study it.

              >> Why "in the closet"? Aircraft carriers haven't been in the closet for 85 years, and "surprisingly" to some, they continue to be actively built by all countries.

              And in Russia, not a single one has been built since 91, only Kuzya was standing in the closet. By your logic, aircraft carriers are unnecessary.
  5. +5
    6 October 2025 05: 52
    Quote: Chifka
    Residents of the USSR immediately understood the reference to folk poems of that time, and I think they will explain it to more modern ones in the comments.

    "A little boy found a machine gun.
    "Nobody lives in the village anymore." request

    I only remember this, although it seems like there were options...

    Trump is not a boy, he is a grandfather:
    Grandfather found a pineapple in the field,
    But I didn't think it was a land mine.
    He pulled out a knife to eat some fruit.
    The priest was found six kilometers away...
    1. +1
      6 October 2025 06: 11
      Grandpa found a Pershing 2 in a field,
      I pressed the red button on the panel,
      For a long time the Japanese could not understand -
      What kind of mushroom appeared in the distance!
    2. +2
      6 October 2025 07: 48
      He's not a boy, he's a grandfather.
      the boy asks his grandfather
      - Grandpa, why are you watering the garden with oil? Nothing will grow.
      - But, grandson, the tank won't rust. wassat
  6. 0
    6 October 2025 05: 52
    Actually, the battleship Missouri last saw combat in 2012. And quite successfully. So maybe Trump is right.
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 07: 08
      Quote: STUG III
      Actually, the battleship Missouri last saw combat in 2012. And quite successfully. So maybe Trump is right.

      In 1992m
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 08: 19
        Speaking of the battleship Missouri, there was a movie about it. As always, aliens land in America and start terrorizing Americans. And even the most modern ships can't cope. Then a battleship, which was a museum, was found, but it defeated the aliens. Trump obviously watched that movie.
        The film is called "Sea Battle"
        1. +3
          6 October 2025 11: 34
          Moreover, this battleship was launched into battle by retired grandfathers who had once sailed on it. And true American patriots, together with the retirees, manually dragged a 406-mm shell from one turret to another through narrow corridors like a sack of flour.
        2. 0
          6 October 2025 17: 25
          We're waiting for him to decide that lightsabers are what we need, not your robots and star destroyers.
          1. 0
            6 October 2025 17: 37
            This reminded me of the movie Hot Shots 2.
        3. 0
          7 October 2025 01: 04
          Speaking of the battleship Missouri, there was a movie about it.

          That's right, there was. The main villain is the man in black, Agent K. The protagonist is a simple Russian cook. And the role of the battleship Missouri is played by the battleship Alabama. Also, a Baywatch woman crawled out of a cake, I remember. :))
      2. +1
        6 October 2025 11: 41
        In 2012. Against Aliens
  7. +5
    6 October 2025 05: 53
    We discussed this. I love looking at the Iowa in California. I don't think it's all outdated. Six-inch armor, steel. It's not aluminum that melts under a missile.
    Kaptsov's dreams are starting to come true wink
  8. 0
    6 October 2025 06: 02
    ❝ A little boy found a machine gun…❞ —

    - In this case, the grandfather...
  9. +6
    6 October 2025 06: 02
    But with the advent of smart, fast anti-ship missiles capable of attacking such giants in a controlled swarm from beyond the range of their defensive weapons, maintaining such enormous ships, which cost over $2 billion per year per unit, became completely pointless.

    Well, it's hard to say. Tanks have been buried I don't remember how many times, but for some reason they continue to be actively used. Tactics change, armor schemes change, but no one who fights says they're completely unnecessary.
  10. -1
    6 October 2025 08: 11
    152mm of steel armor isn't bad; not every anti-ship missile can penetrate it. But a battleship can be seen for hundreds of miles at all ranges. For example, the Soviet Kh-22 could carry a cumulative warhead weighing almost a ton!
    A high-explosive or shaped-charge warhead is capable of inflicting serious damage even on large and well-protected ships. A missile traveling at approximately 800 m/s struck the target ship, leaving a hole up to 22 square meters in size, while the shaped-charge jet penetrated internal structures to a depth of up to 12 meters.
    1. +6
      6 October 2025 12: 17
      Quote: dragon772
      152mm steel armor is not bad, not every anti-ship missile can penetrate it.

      Of the existing ones, yes. But they only turned out that way due to the lack of armored targets.
      As soon as the reactivation of the armored carbine begins, the design of an anti-ship missile with an armor-piercing warhead will begin. The simplest method is an armor-piercing warhead plus a booster unit. The naval armored warheads of the 50s could be used as a model for such a warhead and ground down, following the Japanese example, to remove excess metal needed to ensure the hull's strength during cannon firing (the hull had to withstand acceleration from 0 to 1000 m/s at a range of 15 m, plus the pressure of the propellant gases).
      1. 0
        6 October 2025 17: 09
        Even existing anti-ship missiles can be modified to engage armored targets by using a penetrating core instead of a semi-armor-piercing warhead. Any Kalibr missile can accommodate a warhead with 200-250 mm of penetration, and the penetrating cores can be as high as ten.
  11. -1
    6 October 2025 08: 23
    The era of battleships ended during World War II. The tragic fate of battleships like the Yamato and Bismarck demonstrated that the age of aviation had arrived. Battleships are not cheap, and if a shell hits a gun turret, it's a death knell for the entire crew, and that number runs into the thousands. This money would be better spent on submarines and naval aviation. And, in general, admirals, not presidents, should determine the appropriate class of ships.
    1. -2
      6 October 2025 08: 35
      Admirals, especially in the US, are willing to buy anything and everything, as long as they get regular kickbacks. They order first, and then figure out where to shove this latest piece of junk and where to get the money to operate it, since they already have a ton of junk that they don't have the money to maintain.
      1. -1
        6 October 2025 08: 48
        And this happens in the modern world. The fate of the Black Sea Fleet is a case in point. Admirals of the caliber of Nelson, Nakhimov, and Nimitz are born once every century.
    2. -1
      6 October 2025 08: 50
      It's likely possible to revive the concept of single-turret monitors with one or two large-caliber guns. The British, I think, had something similar in World War I. It was for coastal defense, and naturally, such ships would have their own security detail. And they're obviously highly specialized and not suitable for every enemy. For example, a modern Papuan port could be destroyed cheaply, but that's about it.
    3. +1
      6 October 2025 11: 37
      The Bismarck was sunk not by aircraft, but in battle with its own kind
      1. -2
        6 October 2025 18: 33
        They finished it off, but the steering mechanism was damaged by the outdated biplane.
    4. 0
      6 October 2025 16: 19
      Well, yes, 100 aircraft against one battleship, deliberately sent one way by the Japanese. An absolute victory for aviation. It's a shame that the admirals of all developed countries weren't as intellectually limited as modern users and kept the battleships they built in reserve until the 60s. Otherwise, the Cold War might have turned out differently.
      1. +2
        6 October 2025 17: 16
        Besides Yamato, there are 9 more destroyers and a cruiser in the squadron.
        Which countries? One long-term construction project each in England and France, which were quickly abandoned. Apart from four Americans, no one else...
        1. -1
          6 October 2025 17: 32
          "Laid up" means "in reserve".
          Yamato had no air support, they weren't planning on fighting seriously, and they weren't given such a task.
          1. +3
            6 October 2025 17: 45
            Quote: Evil Eye
            "Laid up" means "in reserve".
            Yamato had no air support, they weren't planning on fighting seriously, and they weren't given such a task.

            Two long-term construction projects were mothballed. And several dozen more were simply cut up. Admirals from highly developed countries
      2. +1
        6 October 2025 18: 44
        The Yamato remained moored for almost the entire war. It was no wonder the sailors themselves called it the "Yamato Hotel." It was more a symbol of the imperial navy than an actual military force. The fuel consumption alone was devastating. It was sent to its certain death out of sheer desperation and desperation. Some American pilots were even upset that it was sunk before they could launch a torpedo. The sinking of the Yamato marked the end of the battleship era.
        1. -2
          6 October 2025 18: 57
          Yamato was moored because the Japanese command had developed a disease that was afflicting naval commanders worldwide. It's called "saving your trump cards until the last minute." Other artillery ships were being used and were being used successfully, so Yamato would have proven itself had she been put into action.

          Plus, you probably don't know, but the Japanese armed forces were constantly locked in a secret war—army versus navy, and in the navy, carriers versus artillery. The carriers temporarily prevailed (and Yamamoto, for that matter, bent the entire staff, who didn't give a damn about the Pearl Harbor adventure).

          So don't write about things you don't know. You might as well pontificate that cheap drones have abolished strategic aviation—there are such smart alecks who confuse politics with war.
          1. +1
            6 October 2025 19: 24
            Then explain to me why Yamato wasn't committed to the Battle of Midway? After the loss of the carriers, Admiral Yamamoto realized that continuing the battle without air support would be suicidal. Learn military history and stop thinking you're smarter than everyone else.
            1. -1
              6 October 2025 19: 42
              You have a massive logical error right in the middle of your speech. The fact that Yamamoto "suddenly" realized that the battle was impossible without air support doesn't explain why he didn't immediately commit the battleship to the fight.
              [for example, because I didn't really know how]
              1. 0
                6 October 2025 20: 04
                He was so confident of victory that he decided the battleship would be completely unnecessary. That's why he kept it at bay. He realized the power and dominance of air power in naval warfare long before the Battle of Midway; otherwise, there would have been no Pearl Harbor.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2025 20: 20
                  Do-do-do, and that's why he raided Pearl Harbor without battleships, using only aircraft, with the corresponding results (they stepped on a sleeping elephant's trunk, but not to death, and it woke up and crushed everyone). He was an adventurer, Yamamato, yours truly, believing in a quick victory "with minimal bloodshed on foreign soil." It's a pity he didn't see the consequences of his actions in the form of Japanese otaku, otherwise he would have repented.

                  A small educational program.
                  In October 1944, the Battle of Leyte Gulf took place. Japanese Commander Kurita's force was subjected to massive air strikes, including air groups from five American carriers. All day on October 24, 259 American aircraft continuously attacked the Japanese ships, completely deprived of air cover. Ultimately, the Musashi was sunk—an unconditional victory for air power over the cannon-armed dinosaurs. Although all the other ships suffered some damage, they remained combat-ready.

                  The battle continued, and on October 25, the Battle of Samar Island took place. Early in the morning, six American escort carriers encountered the surviving Japanese. What happened next was this: "At approximately 5:56 a.m., the battleship Yamato opened fire at a range of 15 miles on the aircraft carrier White Plains. She later transferred fire to the aircraft carrier St. Lo. ... Admiral Sprague sent seven destroyers and escort destroyers of close cover to carry out a torpedo attack on Kurita's force. The destroyers managed to disable the heavy cruiser Kumano and delay the enemy's advance, but they suffered huge losses in personnel, and three destroyers were also lost... At this time, the Japanese cruisers went around the American group from the north and opened fire on the aircraft carriers. All the aircraft carriers were hit, the aircraft carrier Gambier Bay lost power, then capsized and sank."

                  Then Kurita lost his nerve and gave the order to retreat. So, learn the ropes, otherwise all you'll know is the sinking of the Yamato. And as for how Scharnhorst and Gneisenau sank Glories, you can Google it yourself.
                  1. 0
                    6 October 2025 20: 45
                    I don't like arguing with "smart guys," especially in the age of the internet. I never engage in discussions on topics I don't have the slightest clue about. I once wrote a research paper on the Pacific theater of WWII. So, I don't need a lecture.
            2. 0
              7 October 2025 15: 55
              Well, go ahead and teach them, who's stopping you? The Japanese didn't send Yamato to Midway because they didn't have information about the number of American aircraft in service. And the Yankees retained control of the atoll airfield, from which aircraft could theoretically have taken off. Perhaps, had they known about the American aircraft losses, they might have risked an attack. But it's not a given that the Yankees would have simply waited for them to arrive, rather than fleeing the attack.
              1. 0
                7 October 2025 16: 24
                So, the point is that without air support, Yamamoto had no chance of capturing Midway. It wasn't for nothing that Nimitz demanded the destruction of the last aircraft carrier, Hiryu, by any means necessary. Had it been allowed to withdraw, the Japanese could have regrouped and committed their battleships, and with the support of their remaining air force, they would have had a chance of finishing off the two remaining American carriers.
  12. 0
    6 October 2025 08: 33
    To use 406mm guns, you need to get within 40 kilometers of the shore; their accuracy is very low. Why shoot down shells when you can aim missiles at a piece of iron worth about three billion? Two dozen missiles, three or four of which hit, would render the battleship, at the very least, a barely usable target.
    It will work against those who don't have anti-ship missiles and aircraft, but in a year of operation this monster will gobble up so much money that you could build missiles and aircraft.
    1. +2
      6 October 2025 11: 39
      No more than a submarine. And can you give me examples of the last time aircraft sank a ship? Something similar happened in the Falklands, but it was very clumsy.
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 13: 35
        Quote: Prometey
        Can you give me examples of the last time aircraft sank a ship? Something similar happened in the Falklands, but it was very clumsy.

        That was 1982. And in 1988, during Operation Praying Mantis, the Iranians attempted to launch two frigates against the US; one was sunk by air strikes, and the other was towed home. Another Iranian boat was sunk, also from the air. In 1991, the coalition sank Saddam's ships from the air... So, there's plenty more to recount.
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 17: 19
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          In general, there are still all sorts of things to remember

          Yes, but mostly small, single ships.
          1. +3
            6 October 2025 18: 58
            Quote: Prometey
            Yes, but mostly small single ships

            Yes. But the same Iranian Sahand, diligently firing back with SAMs, was shot down by a flight of Intruders, that is, 3 or 4 aircraft.
    2. 0
      6 October 2025 16: 22
      Yes, just go ahead and approach, without trying to gain air superiority, without support from other forces, without any strategy whatsoever, just approach and start bombing, like in the 18th century. Naturally, with old shells, or even better, cast-iron cannonballs—after all, only missiles and bombs can be highly accurate, and you've never even heard of precision shells.
      And then we'll blast them—with a salvo of missiles. All we have to do is stop thinking our enemies are dumber than ourselves—and then we can start winning all wars with minimal bloodshed on foreign soil.
  13. BAI
    0
    6 October 2025 08: 36
    For police operations against a clearly weaker adversary, such as the Houthis or Hamas, this is just what you need.
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 16: 38
      Firstly, no, not only that, and secondly, why not?
    2. +2
      6 October 2025 19: 00
      Quote: BAI
      For police operations against a clearly weaker adversary, such as the Houthis or Hamas, this is just what you need.

      Why?:))) What will Hamas do?
  14. 0
    6 October 2025 08: 40
    All this reasoning is silly. The justification for the use of battleships in Vietnam and Iraq is "a brave man against sheep, and against a brave man, a sheep." Given an enemy of equal skill (aircraft and anti-ship missiles), all these beautiful battleships would have sunk with all their crews. History is full of examples of battleships being turned into burning and sinking ships with relatively intact citadels. hi
    1. +1
      6 October 2025 16: 55
      Yeah, right, we have aircraft and missiles, and the enemy has one battleship. That's what you call "equal level."
      We have one problem in Russia: for some reason, we always want our enemies to be strong, but with the intelligence of a tree. Like in the story of the brave little tailor.
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 19: 08
        Quote from Evil Eye
        Yeah, right, we have aircraft and missiles, and the enemy has one battleship. That's what you call "equal level."

        Evgeny, given the same technological level, you won't be able to bring a battleship within firing range of its guns. Absolutely not.
        When we were playing on equal terms (the USSR and the USA, for example, in the late 70s and early 80s), it was very difficult for us to get our strike ships within missile launch range of the carrier strike group—and that's not 40, but 400-500 km. Likewise, the Americans wouldn't have dreamed of gliding their heavy ships 30-40 km from our shores. Their aircraft carriers used the "crossbow" maneuver (draw and fly away).
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 19: 47
          Greetings Andrew hi
          As to the essence of your objections, I object in response.

          Firstly, both the US and the USSR viewed artillery ships primarily as a means of fleet-on-fleet warfare, not fleet-on-shore warfare. As a justification, I can cite a lengthy article by the well-known A. Timokhin and the even more famous Andrey from Chelyabinsk. smile I can even provide prooflinks.

          Why was it so difficult to deploy missile ships, while gun ships were suddenly so easy? The crux of the matter lies in the conditions under which they were planned to be used and how. Battleships, as Timokhin argues, should have fought in secondary theaters of military operations, where our naval aviation was lacking. Then, in the event of an exchange of missile strikes, a battleship, assuming it survived, should have pursued and destroyed our damaged ships. Our 68-bis cruisers, meanwhile, should have been used to track enemy ships, even aircraft carriers. Naturally, all tracking tactics were based on a "non-war" situation, when ships could approach each other with impunity.

          Those same cruisers—as you claimed in the article about them—should have been used to defend against enemy landings in a similar manner. The main attack would be carried out by aircraft, and perhaps coastal missile systems, while the cruiser would mop up the survivors. Those who didn't have time to surrender.

          It's easy to see that in all cases we're not talking about a "general engagement of the main forces," which, in the context of the abortive Third World War, would have implied the participation of missile cruisers and submarines on our side, and aircraft carrier forces on their side, possibly even employing nuclear weapons. But under these circumstances, it's clear that artillery ships should be used not instead of, but alongside, the main forces (e.g., battleships with aircraft carriers—and similar exercises did take place) and play the same role as a floating reserve needed to finish off the enemy.

          Although battleships could have fired Harpoons and Tomahawk-B missiles if they had entered service. But their battleship nature has nothing to do with it. And our cruisers could have been fitted with anti-ship missiles, too, if not for the Khrushchev missile.
        2. 0
          6 October 2025 19: 53
          In 2x.
          If we were talking about strikes on the coast, and not in Africa or Papua New Guinea (although shelling of foreign military bases cannot be ruled out either), then the situation would obviously be different. As I understand the arguments of respected military journalists, a limited (even nuclear) war at sea without further escalation was theoretically possible, whereas a limited war on the home soil of the US/USSR carried a high risk of escalating into a nuclear war. Therefore, nuclear trump cards, even if only tactical ones, would have been used (and battleship guns, as always, would have finished off the survivors, if they survived themselves). Especially since the battleships had these trump cards on board – in the form of nuclear Tomahawks. This would have been the case if we were talking not only about crossbow-like raids, as you describe, but about a combat operation aimed at defeating and occupying part of the enemy's territory. After all, J. Lehman had some plans to attack our Pacific coast, and even conducted exercises.
          We're talking about a full-scale war, not threats and "flag shows," in which battleship armor and guns would also be useful, but no one would deliberately put them into service just for that purpose.
          The situation you describe is a very specific one, in which Soviet missile ships, even at the outset of hostilities, would have had to operate against American carrier-based strike groups, isolated from naval aviation and light forces. Naturally, they couldn't employ surveillance tactics, and they lacked adequate aerial reconnaissance and carrier-based air cover (due to the lack thereof, for ideological reasons—which were so blatantly at odds with reality that the construction of aircraft carriers was ultimately approved). Moreover, as we discussed earlier, in some cases (including in the Mediterranean), our sailors would have found themselves trapped, surrounded by hostile forces, and could only sell their lives dearly, buying time for the army. Of course, this is a unique situation.

          I'd like to take this opportunity to draw your attention to the fact that I'm about to post a hilarious comment in a thread about the War of 1812 in which you participated. Please read it to the end and not immediately label me a conspiracy theorist. Sincerely, hi
      2. 0
        7 October 2025 07: 10
        Don't take credit for your assumptions. Equal technological advancement means the natives won't fire bows and muskets at Admiral Perry's squadron, but will use equal technology. And who told you the USSR or Russia should try to fight NATO with conventional weapons? The location of an aircraft carrier group is an open secret; a nuclear missile takes about half an hour to fly, which is enough to keep the enemy within range. Don't worry about our lack of a powerful navy; the combined strength of NATO countries will be greater anyway, and straining your own economy is foolish. hi
        1. 0
          7 October 2025 10: 50
          >> the natives will not shoot from bows and muskets

          Well, yes, we (as the natives) will have machine guns, and they will have muskets. Cool!

          >> Who told you that the USSR or Russia should try to fight the NATO bloc with conventional weapons?

          We'll nuke everyone, and they'll squabble over using nukes. And how, with such initial circumstances, did we lose the Cold War and not them? Although I know we surrendered ourselves. We didn't want to put the squeeze on those cowardly, fat Yankees, otherwise we'd have been washing our boots in the Great Lakes, let alone the English Channel, long ago. Damn chewing gum, how the Soviet people got so tempted by it!

          >> The location of the carrier group is an open secret.

          You're clearly unaware of target acquisition, maritime camouflage, and reconnaissance. Should I throw in some prooflinks? Otherwise, you'll remain blissfully ignorant. Let me tell you a secret: the Earth is round, no matter what Yuri Loza says, and without aerial reconnaissance, you can't see anything beyond 30 kilometers at sea. With aerial reconnaissance, you can see beyond 400 kilometers—a lot, but distances at sea are much greater.

          >> A missile with a nuclear warhead flies for about half an hour.

          At the same time, enemy missiles with nuclear warheads (Tomahawks) could be fired at a distance of 2,5 thousand km, and this does not take into account the possibility of adding the range of carrier-based aircraft to the missiles’ range, while ours could only reach 700 (and only the most recent modernization gave the Vulcans 1000 km – on Ustinov alone).

          >> There is no need to worry about the fact that we do not have a powerful fleet, the combined strength of NATO countries will be greater anyway and it is stupid to undermine our economy.

          Yeah, right, we don't need a navy, and the fact that naval missiles fly much farther on land than the other way around, and any advanced navy can bomb the coast and land troops with impunity—that's nonsense, damn it. At least Google the missiles' performance characteristics, and then maybe the euphoria of blissful ignorance will disappear.
          1. 0
            8 October 2025 06: 46
            Are you talking to yourself? I'm telling you about Foma, and you're telling me about Yerema.
            Target designation for a strategic missile is given right before launch, and your electronic warfare assets are wasted. So why are you even talking about the reasons for losing the Cold War? what
            1. 0
              19 October 2025 14: 01
              Hello everyone, I'm back with you.

              So, you're sure that target designation is "given before launch" and the AUG's location is an "open secret." But you haven't explained how.

              Hence there are two possible options:
              1) Or you are a psychic who can find AUGs in the open sea using coffee grounds.
              2) Either you are an illiterate clown who doesn’t even want to think about what means of searching for AUGs at sea we have (or rather, what we don’t have).

              Personally, I don’t believe in extrasensory perception.
  15. +3
    6 October 2025 08: 46
    I think sailboats are even more beautiful. Here's the tea clipper Cutty Sark. Show it to Trump and let him adopt it!
  16. +2
    6 October 2025 08: 52
    If Donald Dzhonovich's (Daniil Ivanovich's, that is) idea is realized, he should be nominated for the title of Hero and awarded an extraordinary military rank... For undermining the economy of a country - a potential enemy
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 10: 19
      Why Ivanovich and not Evgenievich?
      1. +4
        6 October 2025 17: 00
        Firstly, he's not Dzhonovich at all, but Fredovich. Donald John Trump—John is not a patronymic. Although Anglo-Saxons often give their middle names in honor of their father, so in our country it's sometimes translated as a patronymic, but this isn't necessary.
        Why should he be called Evgenievich? He would be Evgenievich if his father's name was Eugene.
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 17: 33
          I agree, if he's Fredovich, then why Ivanovich? If we keep juggling Russian and English pronunciations, then in my youth, Evgeny could have been called John.
          1. +1
            6 October 2025 17: 35
            Well, that means at that time they weren’t very good at understanding Western names.
            Ivanovich - obviously, from his second name (John), which, however, is not a patronymic.
        2. +1
          7 October 2025 06: 43
          Thanks! I'll keep that in mind! Who the hell knows what these foreigners write.
  17. 0
    6 October 2025 08: 57
    This would definitely require new types of weapons today, since penetrating armor of such thickness (and it is worth remembering that under the main armor belt of any battleship there is also a steel lining and cement between the lining and the armor plates) may prove to be an insurmountable task for modern anti-ship missiles.

    A clarification: Western missiles. Domestic heavy supersonic missiles, with a trajectory speed of nearly 600 m/s and a warhead weight of nearly a ton, will easily penetrate the Iowa-class missile's high-explosive warhead. They just need to replace the high-explosive warhead with an armor-piercing warhead.
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 16: 54
      Domestic heavy missiles have one problem: there are few launch vehicles left.
      1. +1
        6 October 2025 17: 19
        Quote: Evil Eye
        Domestic heavy missiles have one problem: there are few launch vehicles left.

        Well, there are no battleships.
        Besides missiles, there are also torpedoes and mines.
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 17: 37
          Who has a better chance of building a large ship - the Americans or us?
          Torpedoes and mines work on all ships, and to counter them, there are minesweepers and anti-submarine warfare systems. As for launching torpedoes from torpedo boats against a battleship—well, that's ridiculous; this isn't World War I anymore.
          1. +1
            6 October 2025 17: 47
            Building a battleship is ridiculous; it's not World War I anymore.
            1. 0
              6 October 2025 17: 53
              More like Russian-Japanese.
  18. 0
    6 October 2025 08: 58
    16"/50! Absolutely gorgeous!
  19. +3
    6 October 2025 09: 00
    The possibility of reinstating full armor on ships due to the BEK threat seems entirely logical. How will this be implemented?
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 16: 33
      Against the BEC, you need a CAP. Armor will only cause harm, spawning massive fragments of the structure flying at high speed.
  20. 0
    6 October 2025 09: 09
    If Khrushchev hadn't cancelled Stalin's program for building a large fleet, we would have had these too (Project 82 cruisers)
    1. +5
      6 October 2025 12: 19
      Quote from gribanow.c
      If Khrushchev hadn't cancelled Stalin's program for building a large fleet, we would have had these too (Project 82 cruisers)

      That is unlikely. Holy nineties they wouldn't have survived.
      At best, a stuffed figurine of one of these KRs would now decorate some Chinese amusement park. sad
  21. +3
    6 October 2025 09: 27
    The article offended me not because of the topic, but because of its structure. The introduction and conclusion were written by the author, and the main body is simply pasted from the translation. Specifically on the topic – this is all just another Trump-like chatterbox. Restoring these monsters, including refurbishment, modification, training, and rearmament, will cost billions and years. Maintenance and repairs will cost billions and the gray hairs of admirals and shipbuilders. And all for the sake of Trump's desire for naval aesthetics? Nonsense. They already have enough problems with the fleet.
  22. -1
    6 October 2025 09: 32
    And he is quite right: if the 68bis cruisers were "younger", it would have been quite possible to install the S300F or Redut air defense missile systems on them in place of the aft turrets, thus creating a powerful and protected ship.
    It's completely unclear how our strategists planned to land marines on a minimally fortified coastline, since suppressing even one platoon strongpoint on land requires about 800 shells, and there will be more than one of these in the offensive (landing) zone. Furthermore, a single artillery battery or a single tank on the beach could "disassemble" any of our cardboard landing craft before it even approaches the coast, some 10 kilometers away. And there will be no return fire to suppress these batteries or tanks.
    1. +2
      6 October 2025 15: 21
      Yes, a landing operation is needed, a landing of troops on Odessa, Nikolaev, but there is nothing to support the landing, just a few of these cruisers with their main caliber could support
    2. +6
      6 October 2025 15: 55
      Quote: Dmitry Eon
      And he is quite right: if the 68bis cruisers were "younger", it would have been quite possible to install the S300F or Redut air defense missile systems on them in place of the aft turrets, thus creating a powerful and protected ship.

      I'll tell you more - even before the National Council of Shipowners' decision to stop building artillery ships (quite justified for the late 50s), the Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry actually developed two projects on its own initiative to modernize the 68-bis cruiser into air defense cruisers.
      Project 70 eliminated all four BShGK turrets, replacing them with four M-2 SAM system launchers and two sets of control equipment. Project 71 retained the forward BShGK turret group, but replaced the aft one with two M-2 SAM system launchers and one set of control equipment.
      The Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry was even prepared to begin refitting the cruisers—an extremely unusual move for the ministry, which usually fought off new projects with all its might. But the documentation was sent to the Navy Headquarters for approval, where it was bogged down in a morass of approvals and improvements. Ultimately, the Navy delayed the well-known decision—and lost not only all the unfinished cruise missiles but also the opportunity to acquire fifteen air defense cruise missiles.
      And yes, I'm aware that the M-2 SAM system remained experimental. But during the hypothetical modernization period, the Navy would have acquired the M-1 SAM system (which was installed on Projects 58 and 61), followed by the M-11 SAM system (Projects 1123 and 1134A). And replacing obsolete ship armament with new ones was the norm for the Navy—just think of the Project 56 destroyer modernizations. Incidentally, one of these modernizations was precisely "remove the turret, stick in a SAM system"—the result was the Project 56A.
      1. +2
        6 October 2025 16: 21
        That's true. The question is whether Trump's actions are appropriate, and they are quite reasonable. Currently, no country is capable of launching a landing on a coast against any kind of adequate defense. Even the Americans, with their over-the-horizon landings from UDCs on ships with air defense, can't really provide fire support. During WWII, each of their landings was accompanied by the colossal firepower of battleships, cruisers, and destroyers (the same Fletchers). If such a branch of the military as the Marine Corps even exists, then it requires artillery ships. It's difficult to say anything about the Russian Federation at all, since slow-moving large landing ships with cardboard hulls, 57mm artillery, and the "crawl ashore" concept are only capable of seizing a coastline already captured by someone.
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 17: 17
          Well, you can still capture a half-empty coastline with fighters in carts, but for too long we've considered fighters in carts as our main enemy, and then it turned out that there are stronger opponents.
    3. +4
      6 October 2025 16: 25
      Quote: Dmitry Eon
      It's completely unclear how our strategists were planning to land marines on a minimally fortified coastline, since to suppress even one platoon stronghold on land would require about 800 shells, and there would be more than one of these in the offensive (landing) zone.

      I have a nagging doubt that the plans for the Cold War-era landings included anything like the notorious GSVG "...at the rate of 1 special combat unit per 1 battalion defense area".
    4. 0
      6 October 2025 17: 04
      One would think that in a war against an adversary the size of the US, they would rely on nuclear weapons for civilian use, while in a war against an adversary the size of "desert fighters in slippers," they would rely on the artillery of conventional ships. In principle, the approach is understandable. And one can't help but remember that for quite a long time, we had Class 68-bis cruisers, and then Project 956 destroyers with powerful artillery.
  23. -2
    6 October 2025 10: 01
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    It's more or less clear why Trump is being vilified in his home country—many people dislike his promotion of traditional values, his fight against illegal immigrants, and so on. But those who vilify him here are clearly worried about non-traditional people—they might even get to "our" abundant love...

    Trump isn't getting carried away. This only shows how many problems there are in the US itself, in the West.

    Putin at the UN: "Do you have any idea what you've done?"
    They don't imagine...
    Putin at the Valdai Forum: “Calm down, take care of yourself.”
    Do not want...

    Then it's not our fault. We warned you.
    If it doesn't go through your head, it will go through the "Oreshnik" tree.
  24. 0
    6 October 2025 10: 37
    Two or three battleships to defend Taiwan's coast from a Chinese landing. What a hassle for the PLA. Half the navy and air force will have to deal with them alone. And then there will be two or three aircraft carriers. Which will come first?
  25. 0
    6 October 2025 11: 40
    Trump needs more Andrei in his life =)

    And throws it like a song

    Across the seas, across the waves
    Here today, there tomorrow

    wassat
  26. Eug
    +1
    6 October 2025 12: 27
    Isn't this all about the Admiral Nakhimov?
  27. +4
    6 October 2025 13: 21
    This large-caliber barrel artillery is stubborn; one Iowa turret weighs over 1500 tons.
    But if you use MLRS, everything falls into place. The 300mm caliber is about 12", the range is well over 100 meters, the quota is 10 meters, the ammunition is stocked like three Iowa turrets. A salvo of 60 shells is easily fired even from three 20-rail launchers, the reload time is 20 seconds, and the ammunition magazines are fully automatic.
    Yes, any coastline, and even deep inland, such a ship can suppress, and if you also use thermobaric shells.
    Removing the remaining medium-caliber turrets results in 3 armored vehicles per side, and there's still room for 64 UCS slots. 6-8 AK630 or duets.
    This is all the good stuff in the Iowa hull. Yes, this will be a magnificent ship. A couple of Rhythm 200s will be installed. And as part of a formation, this ship is capable of causing a lot of trouble.
    1. -1
      6 October 2025 17: 23
      And all this will cost at least three or four Berkas. If fire support for the paratroopers is so necessary, there's already a proven solution: take the same MLRS and mount them on a small landing craft.
    2. 0
      6 October 2025 17: 26
      For example, in the army, MLRS have not completely replaced artillery, so why should it be any different in the navy?
      1. 0
        9 October 2025 12: 35
        Artillery fires at a maximum range of 60 km, and MLRS at a range of 100 km and well beyond 100 km.
        In general, the range of hitting a target on land is shorter; artillery generally operates up to 30 km, but anything further is MLRS.
        One 16" gun weighs 120 tons, and a package of 12 300mm MLRS launchers weighs about 12 tons, maybe a little more, the salvo weight is higher in TNT equivalent, even reflecting 9 shells from an Iowa with air defense systems, for example, is much easier than 60 MLRS, a couple of which can be used as jammers.
        And the technology for producing large-caliber guns and shells has likely been irretrievably lost worldwide, while the MLRS is mass-produced and ready to be mounted on any ship. It's essentially a recoilless rifle, but the recoil from a 16" shell is insane, and the barrel's durability is pitiful compared to the MLRS, and replacing a damaged large-caliber barrel is a real pain.
        1. 0
          18 October 2025 13: 45
          So why hasn't the MLRS completely replaced long-range self-propelled guns? Can you answer that question, please?
          1. 0
            20 October 2025 12: 41
            Each task requires its own type of weapon. The advent of the assault rifle didn't lead to the abandonment of rifles. The same is true here.
  28. 0
    6 October 2025 15: 08
    Donnie didn't seem to be left alone with the greenie at the coffee table, but he was getting high on him no worse than the drug lord.
  29. 0
    6 October 2025 15: 11
    A little boy found a machine gun…

    As far as I remember, it sounded like this:
    "The old grandfather found a machine gun,
    "Nobody lives in that house anymore..."
    and it fits perfectly with the image under discussion
  30. +2
    6 October 2025 15: 15
    In fact, many are unclear whether Trump was talking about trying to reactivate any of the four former Iowa-class battleships, which are stored as museum ships in various locations across the United States, or about building new ones.

    Why Iowa? The Yankees also have:
    - two "SoDaks" - LC "Alabama" and "Massachusetts",
    - one "MorKa" - actually the "North Caroline" LC itself,
    - and the patriarch - LK "Texas".
    What if Donnie wants to bring Texas into action? wink
    No country in the world currently builds new warships of the size and configuration of traditional battleships. Any attempt to do so in the United States would be extremely expensive and labor-intensive.

    American aircraft carriers: Am I some kind of joke??!
    It is also unclear what exactly the president meant when he mentioned "aluminum."

    Most likely something like the incident with the Belknap (CG-26) guided missile cruiser.
    It happened (a month before the collision, photo from the large anti-submarine ship "Krasny Krym"):

    What happened after the collision with JFK and the fire:

    Or the Ardent, Antilope and other foreign Mirages with their light-alloy construction fires.
  31. bar
    0
    6 October 2025 16: 15
    Well, let them build it. It will keep them busy for a while.
  32. 0
    6 October 2025 16: 28
    During its most recent revival, the Iowa had over 1500 crew members on board, more than five times the crew of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.

    Iowa is 50+kt, Burke, if I'm not mistaken, is about 8. So, despite all the modernization, the destroyer has more people per ton of displacement. Considering that firepower and combat stability are directly proportional to displacement, then...
  33. +1
    6 October 2025 16: 30
    As the saying goes, aim as long as you like. The main thing is to make it while the projectile is in the air.

    Aiming is one thing. Another question: what do you have to aim at a dummy weighing a ton and a quarter for it, the dummy, to even notice it?
    1. 0
      6 October 2025 17: 26
      Another dummy, that is, a kinetic interceptor. The mutual collision velocity there will be such that the projectile will either deviate from its trajectory or be completely destroyed.
  34. +1
    6 October 2025 17: 27
    NDE. I wanted to write that Skomorokhov was on his game, but the overwhelming majority of commentators didn't disappoint, demonstrating a complete inability to understand military strategy.

    While it would be nice if Trump turned out to be a populist who throws money around, it's better to assume that a potential adversary is serious, rational, and knows what he wants to achieve. If so, then Donald's statement should be taken seriously—as yet another step toward the revival of American imperialism.

    Many have already written about large guns after WWII, including Andrey Kolobov (from Chelyabinsk) and, especially, Alexander Timokhin, so I don’t have the right to recount their articles in detail, but I’ll remind you of the main points.

    Is a battleship primarily about armor or guns? Guns. A battleship without guns is like a heavy tank with only machine guns, or like a knight with only a knife. But building a battleship without armor is simply odd – since it's only meant to be used at close range, armor wouldn't hurt. Especially since the hull will still have to bear the recoil load. And the role that lightly protected ships once played is now being taken over by missile ships.
    What role can't modern missile ships perform? First, coastal bombardment, which is especially important during amphibious landings. Indeed, a heavy artillery ship is the missing link for modern amphibious forces. In this role, guns cannot be replaced by anything (unguided missiles, perhaps, but that's pathetic). Missiles are too expensive and won't catch moving targets anyway, and drones... Sooner or later, they'll be dealt with. And carrier-based aircraft won't be able to bomb for days on end.
    Secondly, there are various ways to finish off a wounded enemy. For example, you might fire a missile salvo at an enemy formation, but not destroy them all. They won't be able to maneuver properly (and breaking away from the battleship isn't easy), and they'll likely waste their missiles.

    Yeah, right, a lot of people started writing about how a battleship would approach the shore and we'd fire anti-ship missiles from the bushes. Well, you can sink any ship from the bushes, and it's better (for the enemy) if a battleship takes missiles in its armored chest than the shells of landing craft. Incidentally, you can also fire SAMs at aircraft from the bushes. Plus, precision-guided munitions for land-based self-propelled guns have been around for a while now, so why can't battleships have the same over-the-horizon capabilities? And drones for aiming guns on battleships were among the first to be deployed, back in the late 80s.

    Of course, many will remember that the Iowas didn't have proper air defense, and much else besides. But the Iowas were built the way they were, and new ships can be designed taking into account all modern trends. With proper air defense, vertical-air missiles, and, if possible, stealth capabilities.

    Many people mentioned Kaptsov here. Yes, Kaptsov's obsession with battleships is laughable, but not because he's entirely wrong, but because he imagines battleships as the best replacement for aircraft carriers and even missile ships. And, in general, Kaptsov is a fan not only of battleships but also of submarines, but for some reason, this is not mentioned in articles about submarines.
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      7 October 2025 23: 05
      Quote from Evil Eye
      What role can't modern missile ships fulfill? First, coastal bombardment, which is especially important during amphibious landings. Indeed, a heavy artillery ship is the missing link for modern amphibious forces.


      If I remember correctly, the US tried using naval gunfire to support the landings during the Normandy landings. It worked so well that the ships were strictly forbidden from firing on the shore at all. The only thing more successful was using the B-29 as a frontline bomber.

      Quote from Evil Eye
      There's no substitute for guns in this role (unguided missiles, perhaps, but that's pathetic). Missiles are too expensive and won't catch moving targets anyway.


      Will the guns catch it? The 406mm Mark 7 cannon's projectile velocity is 740-780 m/s. Its average range is 40 kilometers. The projectile travels this distance in about a minute. Plus another minute for the loading and aiming cycle (I don't know how fast the turret aimed, but it was VERY fast). In two minutes, a T-72 can move almost a kilometer and a half (~1300 meters) over rough terrain at 40 km/h. So, if the crew receives precise data about a moving tank, instantly makes calculations, and begins loading the cannon, then, assuming the projectile doesn't deviate from the mathematical trajectory, it will hit not the tank, but a point a kilometer away.

      Missiles are expensive, no doubt about it. But are they all? Unguided rockets, for example, are cheap. Even a Grad missile can now fire up to 40 kilometers. So, such a range is no problem for propellant missiles. Now imagine you have a two-stage missile (like the Pantsir missile) with a booster stage and an inert warhead. A guided one. If you stick to the mass parameters of a 406-mm high-explosive shell (1200 kilograms), you could use this design to create a missile with a fairly robust warhead, a suite of sensors, and rudders. No?


      Quote from Evil Eye
      Plus, high-precision projectiles for land-based self-propelled guns have been around for a long time, so why can't battleships have the same ones with over-the-horizon firing?

      Exactly. Just don't make the first stage a 1500-ton turret, but a proper launcher.
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        19 October 2025 14: 18
        >> It turned out so well that ships were categorically forbidden from firing at the shore at all.

        It's strange, but the landing participants thought that they didn't fire enough.

        >> In 2 minutes, the T-72 can move almost one and a half kilometers over rough terrain at a speed of 40 km/h.

        Firing at individual tanks with the main battery is like shooting sparrows with a cannon. I can only imagine such a scene in a war comedy—tanks driving chaotically back and forth across the battlefield (and not really shooting at anyone), while a battleship tries to hit them. That's not how things work.
        Try to find more significant targets: airfields, helipads, missile launcher crews in combat readiness.

        >> The average range is 40 kilometers

        You're using WWII-era shells. As if there aren't precision-guided projectiles, rockets, and the like for modern self-propelled guns.

        >> Even the Grad missile can now fire at a range of 40 kilometers.

        Why haven't MLRS completely replaced barrel artillery?

        >> If we stick to the mass parameters of a 406mm high-explosive projectile (1200 kilograms), then we could use this design to create a missile with a fairly robust warhead and a set of sensors and rudders. No?

        And with a much smaller warhead?
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    6 October 2025 17: 52
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Rurikovich
    At night, the South Dakota, off Guadalcanal, took numerous hits from cruisers and destroyers in its mast and superstructure, lost communications and radar, and... withdrew from the battle.

    "Screw you!" said Chief Electrician's Mate, Shaeffer, and refused to carry out the order, preserving the only working main switchboard in the entire LK. laughing


    In a similar situation, when the unfinished "Jean Bart" was being snatched from under the noses of German tank crews, the French employed the so-called Systeme D: they desperately and bravely jammed the machine guns with wooden pegs, and then trudged on to Casablanca, accompanied by the enchanting aroma of smoldering wiring!
  36. 0
    6 October 2025 18: 21
    The first photo in the article is good. Western chatterboxes love to throw up their hands in the stands. Damn manipulators.
  37. 0
    6 October 2025 18: 51
    A 1-5 kt warhead on any anti-ship weapon completely solves the problem of destroying these monsters. But to achieve this, even in "peacetime," all standard anti-ship missiles must be armed accordingly. And there are no "ifs"...
  38. 0
    6 October 2025 18: 53
    Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
    Another dummy, that is, a kinetic interceptor. The mutual collision velocity there will be such that the projectile will either deviate from its trajectory or be completely destroyed.

    Absolutely right! However, the dummy projectile must have a mass comparable to the projectile, and the targeting accuracy for a direct hit must be somewhat higher than for a fragmentation field. wink. Especially when shooting at oncoming courses, i.e. in self-defense.
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      6 October 2025 19: 36
      the blank must have a mass comparable to the projectile

      Or simply a higher speed, because in the formula for kinetic energy the speed is squared, unlike the mass.

      direct hit should be slightly higher

      This has already been achieved, and in the context of firing at ballistic missiles at an even higher speed.
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    6 October 2025 18: 56
    Quote: Tarasios
    The first photo in the article is good. Western chatterboxes love to throw up their hands in the stands. Damn manipulators.

    laughingWooooow with such a tail!
  40. 0
    6 October 2025 20: 36
    Can you imagine—we have a battleship of that class in the Black Sea right now? It's not afraid of unmanned aerial vehicles, and UAVs are nothing. And we could deploy a ton of weapons to destroy them. We could bring the battleship to Odessa and fire a salvo, and then many, many more. We could clean up the entire coastline.
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      9 October 2025 13: 39
      Even Hitler hesitated to deploy large surface ships into the Black Sea. It was a real mousetrap. Nowadays, we have land-based anti-ship missile systems, anti-ship aircraft, and, of course, torpedoes. We also have submarines in the Black Sea.
      It is unlikely that the Yankees will invest such a huge amount of money into building a battleship that would be enough for one combat mission.

      These days, battleships with cannons are only as good as the Papuans. And even then, only if they're not the Houthis.
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      7 December 2025 12: 04
      And the mines? Have you forgotten about the mines?
  41. 0
    6 October 2025 21: 21
    Just "Trump Boy" watched their 2012 movie "Battleship" about old farts and a battleship...yeeeessss
  42. 0
    6 October 2025 23: 04
    I don’t know why they bothered with 155mm long-range howitzers if they have Himars and Atakms installations?
    The older 220mm variant has a range of 100+-20 km, and with the same launcher, the Atakms can hit targets at 300 km. This is quite the primary caliber for any battleship.
  43. 0
    6 October 2025 23: 33
    Overall, as a weapons platform, a battleship isn't such a hopeless idea. Designed for squadron artillery combat with similar ships, it boasts phenomenal survivability unmatched by any modern warship. And it can withstand more than one missile or drone hit.
    The artillery's effectiveness is, to put it mildly, a highly contentious issue. The main drawbacks are its short range, meaning it must enter the enemy's kill zone. The second drawback is the short barrel life: our dreadnoughts had about 150 barrels per barrel, after which replacement was necessary. What, I wonder, do the Americans have?
    But, as a carrier of cruise missiles and drones - like our Geraniums and Lancets, and also protected by powerful air defense (there are plenty of places to place it, so why not?
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      7 October 2025 03: 34
      phenomenal vitality

      And at a phenomenal price. Battleships became obsolete not only due to the advent of cruise missiles and nuclear weapons, but also because their construction and lifecycle costs are prohibitive. The Iowa-class ships, for example, were repeatedly modernized to carry more advanced weapons, but each time they came up against the cost issue. Meanwhile, the aircraft carrier Midway, although only a couple of years younger, remained a fully functional combat unit thanks to the modernization of its air group until the early 90s.
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      10 October 2025 20: 17
      "Phenomenal survivability" only applies if the armor is relatively impervious to enemy ammunition. The problem is, that's not the case.
      * HEAT warheads the size of anti-ship missiles can penetrate armor plates even a meter long. These aren't small tank HEAT warheads; they're massive craters, hurling metal "droplets" weighing tens of kilograms at speeds of kilometers per second. They don't simply disperse as they pass through layers of armor; they're massive and dense. And if such a "droplet" hits magazines, engines, or boilers, it would be catastrophic for a battleship.
      * Supersonic missiles hit their targets at a speed of 1-1,5 km/s, which is faster than a battleship's main battery shell leaving the muzzle. Their kinetic energy is several times greater than that of a 406-mm VUPOR shell. And supersonic anti-ship missiles hit the deck, not the waist. No armor plate of any reasonable thickness could withstand that.
      * Finally, there are simply diving warheads. The American anti-ship glide bomb, the Quicksink (a modification of the JDAM-ER guidance system), is designed to fall into the water near a ship, travel under its keel, and explode there. The "water hammer" effect of the gas bubble rushing toward the surface can literally break the ship's keel.
  44. 0
    7 October 2025 02: 11
    I recently saw one of these at a museum in Virginia. It was truly impressive. But it's a ship from a bygone era.
  45. 0
    7 October 2025 02: 13
    Quote: Boris55
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    It's more or less clear why Trump is being vilified in his home country—many people dislike his promotion of traditional values, his fight against illegal immigrants, and so on. But those who vilify him here are clearly worried about non-traditional people—they might even get to "our" abundant love...

    Trump isn't getting carried away. This only shows how many problems there are in the US itself, in the West.

    Putin at the UN: "Do you have any idea what you've done?"
    They don't imagine...
    Putin at the Valdai Forum: “Calm down, take care of yourself.”
    Do not want...

    Then it's not our fault. We warned you.
    If it doesn't go through your head, it will go through the "Oreshnik" tree.

    How many times a week do you watch the film "Lenin in October"?
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    7 October 2025 14: 21
    Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
    the blank must have a mass comparable to the projectile

    Or simply a higher speed, because in the formula for kinetic energy the speed is squared, unlike the mass.

    direct hit should be slightly higher

    This has already been achieved, and in the context of firing at ballistic missiles at an even higher speed.

    Well, okay, let's assume that the ballistics are indeed knocked down. Let's assume it. Even with a direct hit. What wouldn't you agree with to keep the conversation going? wink.
    The Iowa missile has a 900+ round inventory (too lazy to even bother). Question: does America actually have 900 anti-missiles?
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      10 October 2025 20: 12
      How many shells can the Iowa fire before a retaliatory missile strike turns it into scrap metal?
  47. 0
    9 October 2025 21: 11
    An interesting metaphor—"a boy with a machine gun." Except in Trump's case, it's less a boy and more an old showman who understands perfectly well that he's just making noise for the sake of headlines.
    The return of battleships is not a strategic idea, but a way to play on nostalgia and demonstrate “strength” to an electorate tired of complex technologies.
    Yes, a battleship is a symbol of power, but the era of symbols is long gone: drones, hypersonic weapons, satellites are reality.
    So, the boy’s “machine gun” is more of a toy – it shoots loudly, but is of no use.
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    10 October 2025 16: 59
    If, God forbid, aliens suddenly descend upon us, like in a famous Hollywood blockbuster, then, to be on the safe side, we should still save a couple of rounds for the superguns and a crew of veterans. It's a futile undertaking—pure PR. The armored monsters—the battleships of World War II—are dead. They are monuments to vast amounts of wasted money.
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    10 October 2025 20: 11
    Sigh. Now, kids, let's Google "Guided Missiles & Techniques" (NDRC, 1946)—it's freely available—turn to page 47, and read how, back in 1945, the Americans tested a half-ton shaped-charge bomb against a full-scale test model of a battleship's deck armor. The model was composed of several layers of armor plates and deck sheets, with deck-height air gaps between them. A shaped-charge bomb, made in the casing of a standard 1000-pound (454-kg) high-explosive bomb, was placed on it. And the shaped-charge jet (or rather, "drop") pierced the test model completely.
    This is precisely why NO ONE has been building battleships for a long time and has abandoned heavily armored ships altogether. High-explosive shaped-charge warheads were practically the "mainstream" of the Soviet and many other navies during the Cold War, and their development hasn't stood still either. A warship within its armored citadel is generally very tightly packed. A shaped-charge stream penetrating the citadel is very likely to hit something vital: boilers, engines, or ammunition magazines. With predictable results.
    If someone decides to build a battleship now, they will bolt cumulative warheads onto the existing anti-ship missiles before the battleship even leaves the slipway.
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    15 October 2025 18: 49
    Railguns. A type of weapon that uses electromagnets rather than chemical propellants to launch projectiles at very high speeds.


    Not electromagnets, but the Ampere force that occurs when a projectile moves between two metal guides.

    Electromagnets are used in the Gauss gun.
  51. 0
    7 November 2025 09: 38
    At one point, discussions about battleships were revived. And not just old ones, but the prospect of building new ones, equipped with air defense missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine missiles, and artillery.
    The main argument was that the main Western anti-ship missiles—Harpoon, Exocet, Automat, and others—were ill-suited to penetrating the main armor belt and armor shell thicknesses of 330-380 mm and 150-180 mm, respectively. This was due to the following reasons: a) the launch weight does not exceed that of a 305 mm shell; b) the missile body and its warhead are much weaker than that of an armor-piercing shell; c) the approach speed is several times slower than that of an armor-piercing shell. Furthermore, it was believed that modern air defenses eliminated the main threat to battleships: airstrikes with armor-piercing and dive bombs and air-launched torpedoes. And the battleships were supposed to shoot down the carriers of heavy guided bombs with long-range air defense systems before they reached the release line. Additionally, numerous short-range air defenses were supposed to counter these guided bombs.
    True, our anti-ship missiles "Moskit", "Onyx", "Vulcan" and "Granit" were excluded from the equation, as they had an approach speed to the target of about 750-780 m/s and such an approach mass that they were capable of penetrating any armor.
    Today, with the advent of the hypersonic Zircon, even the most armored battleship becomes a juicy target. No armor can protect against the Zircon.
    Therefore, if we are to speak of large surface ships, it is only as partners to attack aircraft carriers, their companions. Armed with vertical launch systems for long-range cruise missiles, long-range anti-ship missiles, air defense systems of varying ranges, and anti-submarine missiles, carrying versatile artillery of various calibers, such a ship will complement the attack aircraft carrier and, to some extent, provide cover against anti-ship missile strikes. This is in the event that the enemy, with smaller ships and/or submarines, does reach the permissible range of their anti-ship missiles.
    Of course, the Iowa-class battleships look very impressive, but at the turn of the second quarter of the 21st century, there are too many weapons capable of sending them to the seabed. And the cost of building and operating a ship with a displacement of 15-16 thousand tons and 150 universal vertical launch system cells for various missiles will be significantly lower than the hassle of upgrading the Iowa.
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