Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?

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Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?

Now it's time to talk on our pages about the "Tomahawks" that our friend Donald promised his "Volodimera." You know, some might think we're way behind the times, but back in July, we took that "Axe" apart, down to its smallest nuts and bolts, and then... And then things weren't so clear-cut.

For almost a week now, the internet has been heatedly discussing the "Axes" themselves, discussing the possibility of their transfer to Kyiv, and methods of neutralizing them. Moreover, the so-called "experts" are seriously drawing circles on maps, discussing areas that could be "targeted." Without a smile, and completely seriously.




So what exactly will they transfer, and how will they launch it? Let's first quickly run through the "Axes," and then try to really understand what the US might actually transfer to Ukraine.

Air basing



Yes, I read with my own eyes, on several Russian websites, some seriously speculated that the F-16s transferred to Kyiv could be modified to carry Tomahawks. They said the Topor missile could be adapted for the F-16, and the Sokol missile should be able to carry them.

There's just one problem: the F-16 doesn't know who it owes this to. And overall, the launcher situation is more than amusing. The first air-launched missile, the AGM-109 TALCM (Tomahawk Air-Launched Cruise Missile), never went into production, losing out to another. rocket, the AGM-86 ALCM, which also never went into production. And the B-52 and B-2 were intended as carriers for both these six-meter monsters. And there was no talk of any F-15 or F-16.

What's the problem? Doesn't the MiG-31 carry the 9-A-7660 "Dagger"?


An old man flies a seven-meter-tall, three-ton aircraft. How are the Americans any worse? Especially since the Tomahawk is half the weight? True, but the difference lies in the engines. A MiG-31K with a Kinzhal is powered by two engines producing 15,500 kgf each in afterburner. And what about the little F-16? 12,900 kgf? Got it? 31,000 versus 13,000. Curtain call. And yes, weight distribution hasn't been abolished either. Basically, the F-16 isn't suited for hauling long and heavy objects. More precisely, very long and heavy ones.


Next came the second coming of the air-launched Tomahawk, the AGM-109K MRASM (Medium-Range Air-to-Surface Missile). This was a project to convert the Navy Tomahawk into an air-launched version, but the results failed to interest anyone in either the Air Force or the US Marine Corps. Ultimately, all work begun in 1980 was curtailed and closed in 1984.

Even if the US were to rush to produce some of these designs in metal, it's highly doubtful the US Air Force would be willing to part with one of its precious B-2s, of which it only has 19, to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The B-52s are a distant memory, and the crews would have to be American, which seems absurd.

So, Kyiv can't count on airborne Tomahawks due to their complete absence. The matter is closed.

Ground-based complexes



Yes, there were some. And the plural is no accident. First, there were the BGM-109G Gryphon systems. The system was mounted on a two-axle semitrailer with a MAN AG 8x8 tractor. One launcher carried four missiles, and a battery had four launchers. That means one battery contained 16 Tomahawks. Batteries were combined into "wings" (analogous to our divisions), with one "wing" containing 28 batteries. The vast majority of these Tomahawks were deployed in Europe between 1982 and 1988, along with Pershing II ballistic missiles.

However, in 1987, such a significant event occurred as the INF Treaty, which had recently gone into effect. history, and within the framework of this agreement, the Pershings (1 and 2) and Tomahawks were cut down.

One could, of course, fantasize about how “not everything was cut up,” but it’s worth simply remembering that the destruction of our missiles was strictly controlled by the Americans, while the American ones were controlled by Soviet specialists.


So the Griffins are definitely history, and the Axes were destroyed. But, you say, who's going to stop production from being resumed if necessary? I agree, no one will stop it, and they'll even allow it and fork out the money. If necessary.

This is how the Typhon/MRC (Mid-Range Capability) mobile missile system came into being. The Typhon (yes, I clarified – "Typhon" and "Typhoon" are spelled and pronounced the same, but in our case, "Typhon" is the same mythical creature as a griffin, hinting at a certain continuity) is a new development; since the INF Treaty's collapse, it's the first thing the US has come up with in this type of weaponry.


But the Typhon is different from the Griffon; they simply took a Mark.41 launcher and placed it in a shipping container. They needed to do it quickly, so the Americans didn't try anything original, but used a naval launcher and a sea-launched cruise missile.


In general, all of this was planned for the SM-6, the newest interceptor missile, but if the old and proven "Axe" can be shoved into the launcher, why not?

But here's a small problem: Typhon missiles have only just begun production, and only two systems have been built so far. The system consists of four launchers and a control center. So, it's not a miniature compared to the Griffin.

But the first complex has already sailed away and is deployed in the Philippines as part of a program to deter China's missile defense, and it is doubtful that the US will remove such an expensive and useful toy from there.

The second system is still undergoing testing, but Germany and Japan are already vying for it. The system will be ready for delivery in 2026. While it will be delivered to Europe, that's only half the battle. Even longer will be spent training those who will operate it, and in the case of Ukrainian personnel, also those who will service the missiles. Basically, it's like the F-16: some things will work, some won't. But who will let them fly the system to Europe for repairs? That's the question...

Moreover, considering how our guys have learned to detect and scrap smaller Patriots and Haimars...

In any case, 2026 is the year the second complex is ready, plus time for training the crews... The promise was made quickly, but its implementation could drag on until 2027.


Moreover, geopolitics shouldn't be discounted. The fact that the Germans requested the second system is irrelevant; the loser state will be relegated to the background, and the Bundeswehr won't get it. But the second (or rather, first) contender, Japan, is more complicated. And even though a missile brigade headquarters has already been established in Wiesbaden, which will include the Typhons (and should also include SAM and ATAKAMS crews), it won't be difficult to reverse the situation.

Today, the Asia-Pacific region is a sore spot for the United States. It is where all military and political attention is focused, and it is where the United States plans to wage war. And it is there that US allies—Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan—are clearly losing the missile standoff to China and North Korea. The first system deployed in the Philippines is a point of pressure specifically against China; the second, to be deployed in Japan, will allow the Japanese to feel more at ease in the face of whatever Kim Jong-un occasionally flies their way.

In general, Americans are much more interested in mastering billions by rattling weapons towards China. And it's less painful than fighting Russia. Enough Abrams missiles have already been burned and Sokolov missiles lost to draw such conclusions.

So it's highly doubtful that Kyiv will receive a second Tifon system. And when it will receive a third is a long shot.

And overall, the Typhon isn't designed for the war in Ukraine. The systems turned out to be simply enormous and, frankly, very slow with questionable maneuverability due to their sheer weight. This makes sense, since the trailer on which they mounted an entire section of a Mk.41 naval launcher with its recovery mechanisms—well, ships always had plenty of room for that sort of thing.


There are no other land-based Tomahawk carriers in existence yet, and there is no evidence that design work is being carried out in this direction.

However, it's worth mentioning... No, not the weapon, but the attempt to create one. The Long Range Fire (LRF) system was considered as a kind of alternative to the Typhon for the US Marine Corps.


It's an off-road vehicle, remotely controlled, armed with a single naval launch container for a Tomahawk or SM-6. That would have been a truly interesting idea, especially since it could be controlled remotely, but... The launch container's heavy weight ruined everything, and the off-road vehicle simply lacked basic off-road capability.

Ultimately, the LRF program was shut down precisely because the launcher was often unable to move over slightly rugged terrain.

So we will also carefully put an end to the idea of ​​ground-based launchers for Tomahawks that might end up at the disposal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

So what's left? The only thing left is what the Axe proved itself to be a weapon on: ships.


But this raises doubts about whether this is even possible. No, if the US had carrier ships like our small missile corvettes, it would be simpler: they could gift one to Ukraine, and be done with it! And that would be a really good move. But here's the problem: Tomahawks are only deployed on large ships. Destroyers, cruisers, submarines.

So, a "friendly deal" on even the oldest Arleigh Burke is highly questionable. Crew training would take a very long time, and the Ukrainian Navy has a serious personnel shortage. And Trump wouldn't offer such a gift, and even if he did, perhaps by selling it to the Europeans for transfer to Kyiv, it would be very expensive.


The transfer of sea-launched Tomahawks mounted on carriers to Kyiv is unlikely for a number of reasons, just as the launch of Topor missiles from US carriers against targets in Russia in Ukraine's interests is unlikely. This, of course, would be a direct declaration of war, and it's premature for anyone to take such a step. But there are simply no other options for using the Tomahawk, at least for now.

It's quite possible that Trump, in his usual manner, was bluffing yet again, trying to "send two submarines" toward Russia. But in reality, the Tomahawk isn't a weapon capable of intimidating anyone on our side. More likely, it's a pretext for those who like to "go wild," and nothing more.

To be completely objective, the US has far more effective weapons than the outdated cruise missile. For example, the AGM-158 JASSM-ER, an air-launched cruise missile with considerable potential, but which, unfortunately, the US doesn't offer to anyone.
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  1. + 35
    3 October 2025 03: 52
    If you keep mumbling like we do, you'll get more than just tomahawks. And I didn't hear anything new at Valdai, just blah blah blah. You need to act before you talk!
    1. +8
      3 October 2025 21: 58
      Well, at this rate, we should expect an aerial NUCLEAR explosion over Sevastopol or Donetsk... and what... they started with helmets and body armor
      1. +1
        4 October 2025 22: 50
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        We should expect an airborne NUCLEAR explosion over Sevastopol

        An air strike is unlikely—we can trace its origin, but an underwater strike in Sevastopol Bay is more likely. And they'll even say it was the Muscovites, so they can blame Ukraine.
  2. + 43
    3 October 2025 04: 24
    I remember there were articles that explained in detail why we won't see Storm Shadow...
    1. 0
      3 October 2025 04: 44
      Quote: Kvakosavrus
      I remember there were articles that explained in detail why we won't see Storm Shadow...

      They had the manpower and resources to launch a tactical cruise missile, and everything depended solely on a political decision. With Tomahawks, it's simpler. There's nothing to launch them with.
      1. +6
        3 October 2025 05: 09
        Oh, come on, I have nothing to say. Maybe I should remind you that NATO missiles are currently being launched from Soviet fighter jets!
        1. +4
          3 October 2025 06: 13
          Quote: zontov79
          Or maybe I should remind you that NATO missiles are now being launched from Soviet fighter jets!?

          They are launched, no doubt about it. However, these missiles are designed as air-launched cruise missiles, while the Tomahawk is not. There's no such thing as an air-launched Tomahawk in hardware, which doesn't mean it's impossible to create such a modification, but it requires R&D and testing. And that adds another 100500 rubles in time and money.
      2. +6
        3 October 2025 07: 21
        There's something to launch with, given the right desire... The author decided to add his thoughts, but he adjusted the figures and facts to suit his own needs... Look - the F110 engine, the same one found on the F16, has had a thrust of 14500 kgf since 2003, and the axes, even in the heaviest version, weigh 1,5 tons versus 4,5 for the Dagger. It turns out the author wrote off the F16 in vain; with enough desire and the necessary modifications, it should fly in figures, although yes - figures alone won't do the trick here. Then again, the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Su-27 have it; since the Brahmos can carry 3 tons, they should be able to carry the axes too. The question remains, but we've seen this before... And ground-based launchers were really written off too early; it all depends on desire and necessity, but I don't really see any necessity.
        1. +3
          3 October 2025 07: 30
          Quote: parma
          There is something to launch with, if you have the desire

          You're right about that. Integrating a missile onboard isn't difficult. The main thing is that the missile needs to have an air-launch mode, which the Tomahawk doesn't have. The Tomahawk is launched by a Mk.41 solid-fuel booster, followed by the turbojet engine. For an aircraft launch, a solid-fuel booster isn't needed; what's needed is an algorithm that ignites the turbojet after it detaches from the pylon and deploys the wings. Of course, that's not difficult either, but the manufacturer would have to modify the missile to accommodate this.
          1. +5
            3 October 2025 08: 01
            Well, we've seen more intriguing modifications/improvements, especially given the development experience. Considering the volume of deliveries, the existing platforms, and the effectiveness of the drones, the delivery raises many questions about its feasibility. I'd say it's information pressure and nothing more, as axes are perhaps the most hyped weapon the Americans have. I'd be more concerned about the claims about the transfer of intelligence for strikes on oil refineries and other infrastructure.
            1. +1
              3 October 2025 08: 45
              Quote: parma
              I would say that this is information pressure and nothing more, since axes are perhaps the most hyped thing the Americans have.

              Agree
              Quote: parma
              I would be more concerned about the claims of intelligence being shared for attacks on refineries and other infrastructure.

              An open secret. If you don't know Russia's energy infrastructure, welcome to Google Maps; if you're really lazy, head to Wikimapia.
              1. 0
                3 October 2025 11: 23
                Exactly, does anyone still believe that a drone assembled from waste products and sticks can simply fly 1500 km and hit a target measuring 50 x 50 m?))) And all this is done by the genius Bandar-logs?
                The route and flight profile are calculated based on satellite data, and the Bandar-logs simply press the "start" button. So, NATO (US) satellite reconnaissance data will continue to be transmitted as before.
                1. +5
                  3 October 2025 11: 38
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  And all this is done by the brilliant Bandar-logs?

                  The coordinates of stationary targets like the thermal power plant in your city are known. Creating a UAV based on small aircraft is also not difficult. The most complex is the homing system, which will control the altitude, route, speed, and attack on the target. This is what NATO (USA) supplies. US intelligence provides data on air defense systems en route to the target and, accordingly, on evasive routes.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2025 12: 41
                    So what I'm saying is that the information was provided before. It's just that now it's been announced publicly.
                2. +4
                  3 October 2025 13: 29
                  Does anyone still believe it? The constellation of private satellites transmitting data to the Ukrainian Armed Forces will most likely be larger than ours. If you recall the percentage of drones intercepted when it all started, they've certainly found their way. You can say all you want about the Ukrainian Armed Forces being nothing but cowards and fools, but they've been fighting competently for almost four years now, and quite inventively at that – they were the first to use drones on such a large scale. Our failures shouldn't be blamed on "the cunning West and NATO," sad as it is – they're just as capable of wit, intelligence, and resourcefulness as we are, even though they have similar backgrounds.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2025 13: 43
                    It's easy to fight when you have NATO, Japan, Australia, South Korea, and other trash behind you. This isn't a war with Ukraine, but with the collective West. And at stake isn't some lousy Banderland, but a new world order, like after Yalta.
                    1. +1
                      3 October 2025 16: 32
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      This is a war not with Ukraine, but with the collective West.

                      Which, in fact, was directly confirmed by Jeffrey Sachs in his very recent interview with Tucker... but judging by the downvotes, there are those who don't believe him... or haven't heard him :)
                      P.S. He also noted, after his relatively recent visit to Paris, that Macron admitted to him in an off-the-record conversation that the entire bazaar was provoked by NATO, despite the fact that every second word he (Macron) says in public is aggression... I want everyone to know that this is a very serious matter, he said in response to the remark that the conversation was, after all, private and unofficial.
                      1. +1
                        3 October 2025 16: 35
                        There was such a smart guy - Benjamin Disraeli, and he said: "In a war, it is not the one who started it who is to blame, but the one who made the war inevitable."
                      2. 0
                        3 October 2025 16: 49
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        "In a war, it is not the one who started it who is to blame, but the one who made it inevitable."

                        That's how it is, and Saxon in this particular case is precisely the proof of this (rather general) expression for those who think, but doubt the very fact of inevitability (there are such)... for those who don't think, no one will prove anything, neither the first nor the second
                        P.S. It's impossible to suspect him of being pro-Russian; he was Reagan's advisor, after all, and remains an obvious and sober pro-American.
                      3. -1
                        3 October 2025 17: 04
                        It's clear that Sachs is no friend of Russia. But he's not his own enemy either. He assesses the situation soberly and sees the downsides for the United States.
                  2. -1
                    4 October 2025 16: 19
                    The conclusion is obvious: what if we cause an accident in orbit?
              2. +2
                4 October 2025 07: 52
                Such intelligence has been shared for a long time, albeit covertly, of course. Just as intelligence for individual assassinations and terrorist attacks is shared.
        2. +1
          3 October 2025 11: 18
          How much weight can the F-16's suspension points support? And the distance from the belly to the runway surface? It all seems simple when you look at the paper specifications on the computer, but in real life it's a little more complicated.
          1. +2
            3 October 2025 13: 21
            According to publicly available data, the F-16 has four hardpoints that can support the weight of the "axe"—two under the belly and one under each wing. Dimensions should also allow for at least under-wing storage—at least for drop tanks and Jade Jags. Many questions remain, but it should work on paper; the rest is just a matter of ingenuity and desire.
            1. -2
              3 October 2025 13: 25
              According to open sources? And who verified this data in practice? Again, the performance characteristics listed in the manual and the actual ones can sometimes differ significantly—the French won't let you lie. On paper, their Rafale is a steal, but in reality, it's nothing special. Therefore, I first want to see an F-16 take off with the "axe" and then discuss the possible options.
        3. +4
          4 October 2025 16: 16
          I agree 100%. The author is just being overly confident.
        4. osp
          +3
          5 October 2025 01: 46
          The Su-24M did not require any significant modifications to support the Franco-British cruise missiles, only the mounting beam.
          This missile is autonomous from the carrier - it is programmed for a target on the ground and the flight mission is loaded onto it on the ground.
          From the carrier crew it must be delivered to the calculated area and dropped.
          All the missing equipment (for monitoring the rocket, its condition, etc.) on board the aircraft can easily be performed by an old PDA on the pilot's knee.
          Therefore, the question of the Tomahawk's "adoption" on Soviet aircraft is not even a question.
          The issue is most likely in modifying its engine for air-launched launching, although if this engine is used on other American air-launched cruise missiles, the matter is already done.
      3. +3
        3 October 2025 14: 22
        There are also ready-made ground-based systems - Griffins, Typhoons.
        And if you really want to, you can put the naval units on tractors or railway platforms. So, most likely, if the missiles are transferred, ground-based launchers will be found. And judging by the fact that if the US wants to transfer something, they usually have everything ready for it, I wouldn't be surprised if the naval launchers have already been converted and transferred to the outskirts.
        1. -1
          3 October 2025 14: 32
          The Griffins are long gone—they were scrapped. A "Typhon" consists of two batteries, one in the Philippines, one in the US at a training center. Not to mention that it's a huge beast; you can't disguise it as a container truck; it's much bigger. Apparently, it can only drive on paved roads, and only on bridges that can support its weight. Consequently, any unnecessary items would have to be removed from the road, due to its large dimensions.
          1. +2
            3 October 2025 14: 42
            "The griffins are long gone—they were cut up." No one knows how many or what was cut up. So a few might "unexpectedly" turn up. We've found all sorts of things in our warehouses since the operation began.
            The Typhoon's size won't matter here; the launches won't be from the LBS line, but deep in the rear of the border, where we won't be able to track their movements. And if a couple of launchers "suddenly" end up there, the Philippines won't be too upset. The Americans will take care of that.
            Although I still think that the naval launchers will be converted to either wheels/tracks or rails.
            Everything we're discussing here is just details of an operation that, judging by everything, is already in full swing. And what they've come up with, we might soon (as much as we'd like to know) find out.
            1. -2
              3 October 2025 14: 59
              The griffins cut through, just like our OTRKs, under the control of representatives from the other side. So, what if only cats are born? If you fire from the Polish border, what's the point? You lose 550-600 km of range. And who's to say there aren't kind people there who can help? I repeat, disguising it as a truck carrying a 40-foot container won't work; it's much larger. And on public roads, the dimensions will create quite a few problems.
              1. +2
                3 October 2025 15: 15
                "So, suddenly, only cats will be born." - you just haven't seen them "copulate," so for you it will be unexpected. Otherwise, everything is according to plan. The Americans and Brits have excelled at this.

                "If you fire from the Polish border, what's the point? You'll lose 550-600 km." The Typhoon has a range of 2500 km, so for the sake of the installations' safety, they'll sacrifice 500 km; the remaining 2000 km will be plenty.
                "Who said there aren't any good people there who can help?" Why didn't those "good people" tell you about Kursk, for example? You're a bit off about the timing of the good people—they were still there in 2015, but by 2025 they'd all been "wiped out." But how many of those "good people" we have here is something we need to think about seriously.
                "I repeat, disguising it as a truck carrying a 40-foot container won't work," and that's not necessary. Once again, launching from deep in the outskirts removes all size restrictions. And then there are the railway platforms.

                "And the dimensions will create quite a few problems on public roads." Do you seriously think anyone will ask people, "Dear residents, does the Tomahawk launcher by any chance cause you any problems?" Believe me, those residents will even applaud the launches.
                1. -2
                  3 October 2025 15: 41
                  2500 km – that's with a special warhead. With a standard warhead, it's 1500-1800, depending on the flight profile. And did you know that there are also size and weight restrictions on railways? And judging by its size, it can only fit on a railway platform without a tractor. But how will they get it there? Perhaps with a crane? As for public roads, it might not fit on small, rural roads due to its size and weight. Rural bridges aren't designed for 60-70 tons. And on the Kyiv-Chop highway, a TikTok video will appear in two minutes of it entering the highway.
                  1. +2
                    3 October 2025 15: 59
                    "And judging by the size, it can only fit on a railway platform without a tractor." Regarding railway platforms, I meant that it's possible they could transfer the launch containers from the navy to them. With some modifications, of course. As for the tractors, they'll just stay on the road. There's no point in putting them on platforms. They're mobile anyway. Although their range is more limited than that of railway platforms.
                    On rural roads, the soil is good, the roads are compact, and they support weight well. It's quite possible to plot a route(s) on roads other than asphalt without any problems.

                    "And on the Kyiv-Chop highway, a TikTok video will appear in two minutes, once it's on the highway." But that won't tell us anything. We don't have, and won't have, objective real-time monitoring there. We won't be able to catch it as it's moving forward, starting up, or leaving. We'll have to hunt for it somewhere in a parking lot.
                    1. -3
                      3 October 2025 16: 02
                      Not on asphalt - 70 tons?))), then it would be better by air.
                      The main thing here is to detect it—the rest is a matter of technique. Do you think there are no good people on the other side?
                      1. -1
                        3 October 2025 16: 06
                        "Not on asphalt – 70 tons?)))" – easy. Generally, there are no problems with that, especially on that kind of soil.
                      2. +2
                        3 October 2025 16: 09
                        "Do you think there are no good people on the other side?" There are, but they're catastrophically few in number, and they can't track missile launches in real time. It's not so easy to catch a Chimera with drones on LBS, let alone anything mobile deep in the outskirts.
      4. +1
        3 October 2025 22: 01
        And why is an air launch impossible...from a truck like the C-130 or Il-76...the axe is dropped overboard (through a ramp), then the turbojet engine starts and...done...what's the problem???
        1. 0
          6 October 2025 06: 20
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          And why is an air launch impossible...from a truck like the C-130 or Il-76...the axe is dropped overboard (through a ramp), then the turbojet engine starts and...done...what's the problem???

          It's not that it's impossible, but rather that it requires R&D and testing. That means time and money. Existing missiles can't be used in this way.
    2. + 25
      3 October 2025 05: 43
      Exactly!
      There were a lot of threatening statements that if anything happens, we’ll be in trouble!
      In fact, many people simply have the memory of a fish and lack critical thinking. It's enough to open an article from two or three years ago on this very same resource and read about what happens if:
      - they will supply tanks;
      - they will put up Highmarses;
      - they will supply fighters;
      - they are attacking Crimea;
      - they attack new regions
      ...
      then they're all doomed.
      It's much better for them to watch Channel One's Skabeevs with delight than to start using their minds.
    3. +9
      3 October 2025 07: 52
      I remember there were articles that explained in detail why we won't see Storm Shadow...
      Approximately the same thing was said about the Leopards and F-16s with Mirages
    4. -5
      3 October 2025 11: 16
      Don't confuse "warm" with "soft." These are completely different weapons systems, the only thing they have in common is the presence of wings. There was no doubt that the "Storm" missiles would be released sooner or later. The "Axes" are a big deal – handing over the cruise missiles or the technology to a third party would open a "Pandora's box" that would be bad for everyone. Currently, the US and Britain have "Axes," and the Japanese want them too. But if they were distributed to everyone, there would be a lot of interesting things.
  3. +3
    3 October 2025 04: 24
    The author is absolutely right, Tomahawks are nothing more than a bogeyman to be waved around. There's nothing to launch them with.
    To be completely objective, the US has far more effective weapons than the outdated cruise missile. For example, the AGM-158 JASSM-ER, an air-launched cruise missile with considerable potential, but which, unfortunately, the US doesn't offer to anyone.

    Well, besides this, there are SLAM-ERs, of which the US has many and full of those whose terms are expiring, but no one mentions them.
  4. -8
    3 October 2025 04: 28
    Quote: zontov79
    You have to do it first, and then talk!

    Imagine that you are the president of Russia...what exactly would you do in this situation?
    Your suggestions... hi only without radical movements with nuclear weapons leading to a shootout with the United States.
    1. +7
      3 October 2025 04: 35
      The first thing I would do is have a Ukrainian drug addict and his gang feed the worms for at least 3 years!
      1. -4
        3 October 2025 04: 38
        Quote: zontov79
        The first thing I would do is have a Ukrainian drug addict and his gang feed the worms for at least 3 years!

        A good decision... but in return, Zaluzhny will come with his gang... and perhaps he will set up his headquarters somewhere in London or Warsaw... and the war will continue again.
        What other options are there?
        1. +3
          3 October 2025 04: 39
          And even the honorable one, and install people loyal to us! The possibility that they'll govern from London is irrelevant. Without local leadership and a real presence of power in the country, there will be Makhnovshchina, which we must take advantage of!
          1. -2
            3 October 2025 04: 42
            Quote: zontov79
            And the honorable one too, and put in place people loyal to us!

            It will be under the protection of the Polish or British army and it will not be possible to get it without getting involved in a direct war with NATO... a war with NATO is undesirable in this equation.
            Find another solution...with minimal losses for Russia.
            1. +2
              3 October 2025 04: 44
              Tikhanovskaya is also under protection, Guandon was under protection, so what?
              1. +1
                3 October 2025 05: 04
                Quote: zontov79
                Tikhanovskaya is also under protection, Guandon was under protection, so what?

                The figures are too small and insignificant...not the right scale for solving problems.
                Keep in mind... any military, political, or economic conflict between Russia and Europe is like balm for Trump's heart... The US will skim the cream off both sides of the conflict, just like in WWI and WWII.
                This cannot be allowed to happen in the SVO.
                1. +4
                  3 October 2025 05: 46
                  What difference does it make whether they're small or large? You've been rightly pointed out that without local leadership, there will be chaos and endless squabbles between gay battalions, local Gauleiters, looters, and bandits.
                  The cock-a-doodle-doo of the Zaluzhny or other pigs will have no influence on the situation.
                2. +1
                  3 October 2025 05: 53
                  They've already allowed it! And everything is moving in the direction of Western "wants."
          2. +9
            3 October 2025 04: 42
            Quote: zontov79
            And the honorable one too, and put in place people loyal to us!

            "Shave Trump's head and send him to Alaska, Macron to Algeria to be a eunuch in a harem... I'll put you all to shame! I'll give you all blood! Hold me back, seven of you!"
        2. +8
          3 October 2025 05: 40
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          What other options are there?

          Very simple. Just reset any "leadership" until there's no one left willing to take its place.
          1. +2
            3 October 2025 12: 35
            You're literally reading my mind.
            The position of president in Ukraine must be toxic, so that there are no people willing to rule the country at all. Because the president is only in office for an hour, or a day, or a month—in short, not for long.
        3. +1
          3 October 2025 06: 03
          Quote: Serjy
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          What other options are there?

          Very simple. Just reset any "leadership" until there's no one left willing to take its place.

          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Good decision...but instead Zaluzhny and his gang will come...

          To destroy, precise coordinates are required (with an accuracy of 10-15 meters), precise time spent at these coordinates, and sufficient duration of stay at these coordinates (missiles have a flight time).
          In August 1944, Hitler was saved by an oak table leg and an additional 1,5 meters after the bomb was relocated. And yes, there will be those who wish to know – in April 1945, the Reich was a scribbler, but the successor clung to power tenaciously...
          1. 0
            3 October 2025 06: 05
            Quote: your1970
            To destroy, precise coordinates are required (with an accuracy of 10-15 meters), precise time spent at these coordinates, and sufficient duration of stay at these coordinates (missiles have a flight time).

            All this was the case with the Israeli pilots who recently killed the Houthi government with one blow...alas, an oak table leg won't save you from a missile strike.
            1. +2
              3 October 2025 06: 22
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              All this was in the hands of Israeli pilots who recently killed the Houthi government with one blow.

              We have a bunch of agents in Ukraine among Zelensky's leadership? That's highly doubtful.

              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Unfortunately, an oak table leg won't save you from a rocket strike.

              Distance is a real saving grace - the ceilings/walls absorb the explosion and reduce the risk of destroying the target.

              And then the American ambassador will say, "The US guarantees elections after the end of the war - but for now, you will be led by the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Zaluzhny, senior assistant to the junior janitor."
              And no one will try to kick - the money of the kicker can suddenly run out in the accounts in the USA lol...
              Since everyone there understands that without the US, there will be collapse, there will definitely be no objections, and everything will be explained in detail to the Ukrainian lokhtorat...
              1. +1
                3 October 2025 06: 23
                Quote: your1970
                Since everyone there understands that without the US, there will be collapse, there will definitely be no objections, and everything will be explained in detail to the Ukrainian lokhtorat...

                It's a good option...we'll see.
                1. +5
                  3 October 2025 06: 29
                  Quote: The same Lech
                  Quote: your1970
                  Since everyone there understands that without the US, there will be collapse, there will definitely be no objections, and everything will be explained in detail to the Ukrainian lokhtorat...

                  It's a good option...we'll see.

                  Stalin – suddenly never seen in a whining mood – banned preparations for assassination attempts on Hitler in 1942.
                  It doesn't work like in dreams.
                  Did the Houthis immediately fall to their knees and surrender? No, they didn't.
                  1. -4
                    3 October 2025 07: 01
                    Quote: your1970
                    Stalin – suddenly never seen in a whining mood – banned preparations for assassination attempts on Hitler in 1942.

                    And it's a shame...maybe WWII would have ended earlier...many Germans were intoxicated by Adolf Schicklgruber...the Reich never had another such charismatic figure capable of uniting the Germans for a campaign to the east.
                    1. +1
                      3 October 2025 07: 08
                      Quote: The same Lech
                      Quote: your1970
                      Stalin – suddenly never seen in a whining mood – banned preparations for assassination attempts on Hitler in 1942.

                      And it's a shame...maybe WWII would have ended earlier...many Germans were intoxicated by Adolf Schicklgruber...the Reich never had another such charismatic figure capable of uniting the Germans for a campaign to the east.

                      And the idea "we'll get rid of the leader and that's it" is floating in your head.
                      The leader is a pawn in the games of the elite.
                      Obama spent four times more time on the golf course than at work. Did this ruin America?
                      Or do you think that if Hitler hadn't become the Nazis, the Wehrmacht would have immediately turned around and fled to the Reich? The Gestapo would have continued to hunt down dissenters, just as it had done before.
                      As long as there is parity and consensus among the elites, leaders can be changed like gloves.
                      1. -3
                        3 October 2025 07: 14
                        Quote: your1970
                        You have the idea that "we'll get rid of the leader and that's it."

                        No, not all... the death of a nation's spiritual leader is always a blow to the people; a pragmatist can take his place, preferring peace to defeat in war. After Stalingrad, the Wehrmacht's generals realized that the war with the USSR was lost and Germany urgently needed peace... but fate, in a strange way, saved Hitler from death during an assassination attempt and turned history in a different direction... alas, alas, these are random antics of higher powers, beyond the control of man.
                      2. -1
                        3 October 2025 11: 23
                        Quote: The same LYOKHA
                        After Stalingrad, the Wehrmacht's generals realized that the war with the USSR was lost and Germany urgently needed peace.

                        Come on, do you seriously think that the Wehrmacht generals could have gotten out of the war rut?
                        Neither the NSDAP, nor Stalin, nor the peoples of both countries would have allowed them to do this.


                        Quote: The same LYOKHA
                        the death of a nation's spiritual leader is always a blow to the people,
                        After the death of a loved one, people begin eating, going to the bathroom, wondering where to get money for the funeral, and greeting neighbors within a day or two. After the death of a spiritual leader, the majority (70-80%) of the population remembers them only when necessary, not more frequently.


                        Quote: The same LYOKHA
                        fate strangely saved Hitler from death during an assassination attempt
                        There were several of them, but fate really protected him
                      3. +3
                        3 October 2025 11: 59
                        The leader is a pawn in the games of the elite.


                        As soon as Alexander the Great died, his UNITED empire self-destructed. As soon as Cirtus the Great perished, his empire only miraculously avoided falling apart—fortunately, an equally talented successor was nearby. The role of personality and leadership cannot be underestimated. One must always obey the enemy's orders. This disrupts interactions for a long time, destroying previously accepted agreements and relationships within the system. Chaos in the governance system is a prerequisite for defeat. Vampires must be destroyed one by one. After several chieftains are destroyed, there will no longer be a charismatic and famous Vampire who would attract the support of both the people and the authorities.
                      4. -2
                        3 October 2025 12: 26
                        Quote: cast iron
                        As soon as Alexander the Great died, his ONE empire self-destructed.

                        This is proof that his role was extremely small - the elites of the separated parts were simply waiting for the moment to push off from each other.

                        Quote: cast iron
                        You must always be under the enemy's command. E
                        Stalin stopped preparing assassination attempts on Hitler in 1942. You're not arguing with me; you're challenging Stalin's decision. lol

                        Quote: cast iron
                        After several vampire leaders have been destroyed, there will no longer be a charismatic and famous vampire who would be followed by both the people and the authorities.

                        Based on your logic, both Iran and the Houthis have already collapsed, right?
                      5. 0
                        3 October 2025 22: 48
                        This is proof that his role was extremely small.


                        This proves that the main villain serves as the glue that holds everything together. And when he's gone, everything starts to fall apart.

                        Stalin stopped preparing assassination attempts on Hitler in 1942.


                        Was Stalin always right and always wrong? I'm sure his opportunities to assassinate Hitler were vanishingly small. And if the mission is impossible, then why waste resources on it?

                        Based on your logic, both Iran and the Houthis have already collapsed, right?


                        Iran and the Houthis have put their fighting spirit and pride where it belongs. This is evident in their behavior.
                      6. -1
                        3 October 2025 22: 58
                        Quote: cast iron
                        This proves that the main villain serves as the glue that holds everything together. And when he's gone, everything starts to fall apart.

                        This proves that this state has no unity whatsoever—neither the interests of the elites, nor the people, nothing. Shurka M. got his act together, and the state was immediately torn apart.

                        Quote: cast iron
                        I am sure that he had vanishingly few opportunities to assassinate Hitler.

                        Olga Chekhova is a very real chance.

                        Quote: cast iron
                        Iran and the Houthis have put their fighting spirit and pride where it belongs. This is evident in their behavior.
                        - Yes? It's you. a little hurry up....
                        ExxonMobil, Chevron, and a total of 13 American oil companies have been sanctioned by Yemen's Houthis. Nine senior US oil industry officials have also been placed under restrictions.
                        Shortly before this, armed forces of the Yemeni Ansar Allah movement attacked the Dutch merchant ship Minervagracht, which caught fire and drifted.
                        https://topwar.ru/271807-13-amerikanskih-neftjanyh-kompanij-popali-pod-sankcii-jemenskih-husitov.html?ysclid=mgb9k08vck79953627
          2. +1
            4 October 2025 13: 05
            In fact, Claus von Stauffenberg carried out the assassination attempt on A. Hitler on July 20, 1944.
            1. -1
              4 October 2025 13: 19
              Quote: Grencer81
              In fact, Claus von Stauffenberg carried out the assassination attempt on A. Hitler on July 20, 1944.

              I admit my guilt - I read it a long time ago, but for some reason I got stuck on August instead of July.
              1. 0
                4 October 2025 13: 20
                Probably associations with the book and the film.
                1. -1
                  4 October 2025 13: 26
                  Quote: Grencer81
                  Probably associations with the book and the film.

                  Possibly because of the movie's advertising.
                  Z. Y.
                  A book that can't be adapted into a film, lest it lose its essence. Most likely, another action movie will be released, perhaps even a good one, but unrelated to the book.
                  I didn't like the casting - they weren't right, the characters didn't match...
        4. -1
          3 October 2025 06: 26
          There's only one option. Stop puffing out our cheeks and end the war where we are. Even if it means defeat for us. If we continue, the country will simply collapse, overextend itself. Or, perhaps, burn in a nuclear fire.
          1. +3
            3 October 2025 06: 53
            Forgotten about Khasavyurt? What happened next?
            1. -3
              3 October 2025 08: 01
              I haven't forgotten. But it's absolutely clear that further down the line this will lead to the country's demise.
              1. -8
                3 October 2025 08: 07
                I don't care if I get banned, but you, I won't call you formally, are just a traitor and a bastard, that's all I'll say. You've dug in on the site, churning out articles, but deep down you're a waiter and an enemy.
                1. +1
                  3 October 2025 10: 05
                  What about the "pluralism" of opinions? laughing
                  And there's actually some common sense in what my friend said. As they used to say to me as a child, and as they still say to me today, "If you don't want to poop, don't bother your butt."
                  1. +3
                    3 October 2025 16: 52
                    Ignore him. The man is outraged. It's really bad when people don't see the obvious, and the opponent's level of response is below the floor. When they resort to insults and have nothing to counter with.
      2. +2
        3 October 2025 07: 54
        The first thing I would do is have a Ukrainian drug addict and his gang feed the worms for at least 3 years!
        That's exactly what Comrade Stalin did when he sent a man with an ice axe to our enemies. Why this isn't practiced today is beyond me.
        1. +5
          3 October 2025 08: 58
          It seems to me that among the world's decayed and degraded "leaders" there is an unspoken agreement not to assassinate "their own," because it could be picked up and fly back like a boomerang.
        2. +6
          3 October 2025 09: 53
          That's exactly what Comrade Stalin did when he sent a man with an ice axe to our enemies. Why this isn't practiced today is beyond me.

          What's so unclear about this? Under Comrade Stalin, the working class was the ruling class, while under Mr. Putin, the ruling class is the big bourgeoisie. As Marx and Lenin taught, state power always expresses the interests of the ruling class. Thus, Stalin and Putin are antipodes.
        3. +1
          3 October 2025 11: 25
          Quote: Schneeberg
          The first thing I would do is have a Ukrainian drug addict and his gang feed the worms for at least 3 years!
          That's exactly what Comrade Stalin did when he sent a man with an ice axe to our enemies. Why this isn't practiced today is beyond me.

          Let me remind you that not one of those killed - not one!! - was the head of state, did not hold a government post, and was not an active politician.
          1. 0
            3 October 2025 12: 03
            Let me remind you that during the Great Patriotic War, partisans and operatives hunted the leadership of the Wehrmacht and the Reich wherever they could reach them. There were several successful operations to eliminate Nazi commandants and other leading ghouls. This is the correct tactic and strategy. The main ghouls must be exterminated like cockroaches. Stalin simply didn't have the means to reach the Reich's top leadership. At the very least, Kalibrs didn't exist back then.
            1. -1
              3 October 2025 12: 34
              Quote: cast iron
              Let me remind you that during the Great Patriotic War, partisans and operatives hunted for the leadership of the Wehrmacht and the Reich wherever they could reach them.

              And how did this affect the Reich? They appointed a new one and exterminated a certain number of the population.
              How did Heydrich's assassination affect the front lines? None whatsoever.

              The desire to destroy the enemy is understandable, but the effectiveness of this destruction is extremely low. The Houthis and Iran are ample proof of this—new faces have immediately appeared.
              Is it chaos and anarchy they have?
              Even in the chaos of April 30, 1945, Hitler found a successor and clung to power tightly - there was much more anarchy than there is now in the country 404
              1. +1
                3 October 2025 16: 57
                Quote: your1970
                How did Heydrich's assassination affect the front lines? None whatsoever.
                Yes, it had no effect. But even though Heydrich held a high position in the Reich, he still didn't make any government decisions. He didn't even advise Hitler...
                1. -1
                  3 October 2025 17: 07
                  Quote: Luminman
                  Quote: your1970
                  How did Heydrich's assassination affect the front lines? None whatsoever.
                  Yes, it had no effect. But even though Heydrich held a high position in the Reich, he still didn't make any government decisions. He didn't even advise Hitler...

                  So what if we kill Ze now?
                  Hitler was quite independent in making decisions, Ze - well, you understand...
                  The US will appoint a new ZE in half an hour and that's it, that's all.
                  And no one will flinch – the Ukrainian elite have accounts in the US, and the money and weapons come from the US. You'll be indignant, "Why did the ambassador appoint the US embassy janitor as president?" – and in 10 minutes you'll be testifying at the SBU – wondering if Putin recruited you, or if they'll simply empty your accounts "for supporting terrorism!" (c).
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2025 17: 15
                    Quote: your1970
                    So what if we kill Ze now?
                    Let me start with a historical overview. Immediately after Kennedy's assassination, the American Constitution came into effect, and the vice president automatically became president. And do you know why? Because the American state, after the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, became resilient to all sorts of upheavals, and remains so to this day! But Ukraine's statehood is very, very fragile, and after the leader's removal, all sorts of troubles could very well begin, from the Maidan to civil war. That's the beginning of something like this. Troubles in an unstable state, Zelensky must be eliminated...
                    1. -3
                      3 October 2025 17: 35
                      Quote: Luminman
                      Ukraine's statehood is very, very precarious, where after the elimination of the leader( belay ????) all sorts of troubles could well start, starting from the Maidan and ending with a civil war

                      The leader there is - dollar and the American ambassadorAnd exactly in this order.
                      Any barking troublemaker who disobeys them will be shot immediately by ALL of Ukraine's elites. Because all of Ukraine's elites are sitting on dollar flows.
                      And any appointment (even to the janitor of the embassy or the station, God forgive me belay ) the president's actions by the American ambassador—provided financial flows are maintained—will be legitimized and approved by them. Because, on the other hand, the accounts of Ukraine's elites are controlled by the United States.
                      Without US money, communications, and weapons, Ukraine will collapse in two weeks. Moreover, the National Battalions will be the first to flee toward Lviv—being a Nazi without money and risking a bullet is no fun.
                      So there will be no Maidan or GV there - there is no idea or funding for this...
                    2. 0
                      4 October 2025 13: 08
                      There will be no Maidan, don't get your hopes up...And there will be no turmoil, just like there will be no civil war.
            2. 0
              3 October 2025 17: 04
              Quote: cast iron
              Stalin simply did not have the opportunity to reach the top leadership of the Reich
              Yes, I did. Through Olga Chekhova. But Stalin personally cancelled it. getting there Because of the uncertainty of who would succeed the ousted Hitler as head of state. Hitler, in his dislike of the USSR and the bourgeois plutocracy, was quite predictable, but how would his successor behave? Would he conspire with the Western powers? Churchill, who also had the opportunity to eliminate Hitler, was thinking along similar lines, fearing that the Wehrmacht generals might conspire with Stalin.
              1. 0
                3 October 2025 17: 38
                Quote: Luminman
                He did, he did. Through Olga Chekhova. But Stalin personally cancelled this arrangement due to ignorance of who would succeed the ousted Hitler as head of state.

                That's exactly how it was - with Hitler everything was quite clear
          2. +2
            3 October 2025 18: 21
            Let me remind you that not one of those killed - not one!! - was the head of state, did not hold a government post, and was not an active politician.
            I disagree with you here. Trotsky, assassinated in Mexico, was not only the leader of the Left Communists but also wielded enormous influence over the communists remaining in the USSR, despite holding no government office (one might recall Khomeini). Konovalets, assassinated in Paris and Bandera in Munich, wielded enormous influence over a certain segment of Ukrainian society, who, like Trotsky, also held no government office. The reprisals against the leaders of the White Guard movement and the National Security Council can also be added to this.
            1. -2
              3 October 2025 19: 08
              Quote: Schneeberg
              He was the leader of the left communists, but also had enormous influence on the communists who remained in the USSR, although he did not hold any government posts.

              Zero significance. How did left-wing communists from, say, Mexico, influence affairs in the USSR? None at all...
              And in the USSR itself, the Trotskyists had already been driven into the background - they were kicking up a fuss, but they were not making any decisions.
              Moreover, it was the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) that created part of Trotsky's fame: "They expelled him for the truth, now they are persecuting his supporters - that means the ideas are good. Probably lol "
              Quote: Schneeberg
              Konovalets, killed in Paris, and Bandera in Munich, had a huge influence on a certain part Ukrainian society
              the number of this unit???!!!!
              Otherwise it may turn out that Klava Koka has a huge influence on repeatedly more people or "the most popular YouTube blogger in Russia right now" - Vlad Bumaga. He films crazy challenges, and this has already brought him more 50 млн subscribers and over 24 billion views.

              Quote: Schneeberg
              Here we can also add the reprisals against the leaders of the White Guard movement and the NTS

              In total, about 4 million fled Russia in all directions - God willing, if 1/10 sympathized with the White Guards.
      3. -3
        3 October 2025 13: 46
        I can't stop laughing))) Are you from kindergarten? Greenie is just a puppet with strings pulled. His presence or absence changes nothing; decisions aren't made in Kyiv.
        1. +1
          3 October 2025 22: 53
          Zelensky must be destroyed, at least as a sign of respect and as a tribute to those who died and were maimed because of his "wise" rule.
          1. -2
            3 October 2025 23: 41
            It must be done, but in strict accordance with the law and by court order. Otherwise, he will quickly be painted as an innocent victim of Russian barbarity.
            1. +1
              4 October 2025 02: 04
              I don't give a damn if some ghouls elevate him to the rank of martyr. We need to conduct our own propaganda and explanations among our own people. You can't explain anything to outsiders. They only think about their own interests.
              1. 0
                4 October 2025 11: 08
                Our people already understand everything. The problem is that a huge and highly successful machine—the "Western media"—is working to "brainwash" the minds of those who aren't ours. And they'll do their best, rest assured. But most people lack the ability to think critically. If it's on TV, it must be true.
      4. +1
        3 October 2025 14: 10
        It's a two-way street. This can be done in a state of total war and the mobilization of the entire society, making retaliation extremely difficult. But here, carelessness and joy have been sky-high throughout the three and a half years of war.
    2. 0
      3 October 2025 09: 18
      "Imagine you're the president of Russia...what exactly would you do in this situation?" Well, it's business as usual. Draw another red line and issue the final, one-hundred-and-five-hundredth Chinese warning. And if they don't understand, we'll respond with a vengeance.
  5. +2
    3 October 2025 04: 43
    Oh, it's best not to mention it, of course; analytics aren't the most rewarding thing. Otherwise, it'll be like with the geraniums: when they started flying to the neighbors, the analytics were already showing victory was imminent, then an article said drones definitely won't fly from our neighbors to ours. It's fair to note that one of the authors at the same time is reviewing the neighbors' experience fighting geraniums and warning that similar geraniums could soon be used against us, and something needs to be done about it.
  6. + 10
    3 October 2025 04: 46
    Self-soothing and lull...
    I think these are not the best terms that Russia needs now.
  7. -2
    3 October 2025 05: 14
    Escalating tensions also has its purpose. Firstly, people won't demand more than they already have. Secondly, it's a commercial gain. A food supply for future use, for some it's a bunker, for others it's a bomb shelter five stories down. The Tomahawk is a sea-launched missile. And for Ukraine's sake, no one will adapt such missiles to aircraft. They're weapons, not toys. And those who don't need anything will sing Willie Tokarev's song: "Why live a miserly life, for tomorrow there could be war..."
  8. +4
    3 October 2025 05: 14
    If they want, they will give it to us. At first they started with helmets, and we expressed concern, and talked a lot about the F16s, that they could carry nuclear weapons, and that if anything happens, we will stamp our feet, if they give us one hundred, everyone will be fucked right away, and the result will be F16s in Ukraine, and we keep repeating it like a mantra, they keep hanging noodles on our ears, and we are all in the DPR, not like at the borders, we feel sorry for our guys, and not this blah blah blah that they won’t give it to us and so on.
  9. -1
    3 October 2025 05: 50
    What didn't fall from the mattress on the ruins.
    Hymars and Atacamas are already more than enough.
    We receive them quite realistically.
    Trump is truly unbalanced and anything can be expected.
    Isn't Mattress the country that destroyed two cities with civilian populations with nuclear weapons?
    And before that, together with the British, they burned down Dresden with almost its entire population.
    We need to prepare.
    Which is what we seem to be doing.
    Not everything is going smoothly.
    But nevertheless, it is going in the right direction.
    1. 0
      3 October 2025 12: 05
      And the Mattresses also burned half the population of the entire city of Tokyo during WWII.
  10. -1
    3 October 2025 05: 53
    Quote: Serjy
    You have been rightly pointed out that without local leadership, there will be chaos and endless showdowns between gay battalions, local Gauleiters, looters and bandits.

    I spoke about this at the beginning of the SVO. smile
    But the point is that NATO is now in charge of Ukraine, and the elimination of Zelya and Zaluzhny will change little... the war process is ongoing regardless of them.
    All large-scale operations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are planned at NATO headquarters... the British, Poles, and French are the main instigators... it's not all that simple.
    1. -2
      3 October 2025 12: 07
      How do you imagine foreigners commanding Ukromutants in the absence of Ukrainian ghouls? A US colonel comes along and plans to give orders to Ukromutant majors? And the Ukromutant majors salute and run to obey? Don't you find it funny?
    2. +1
      3 October 2025 12: 14
      But it's still worth a try. So you don't have to worry about what if it worked later?
  11. BAI
    +1
    3 October 2025 06: 32
    The simplest option for sea-based deployments is to install launch containers on a civilian bulk carrier. And they can operate from either the Black Sea or the Mediterranean. And the US has nothing to do with it—it's all NATO and Ukraine.
  12. 0
    3 October 2025 06: 38
    It is an off-road vehicle, and even remotely controlled, armed with a single sea launch container.

    A high-quality analogue of these self-propelled launchers could be quickly built on the water, in the form of an unmanned boat with such a launch container. This would make a very nasty, stealthy device, capable of being assembled from blocks and launched into any pond or swamp.
  13. -3
    3 October 2025 07: 00
    Cruise missiles are still weapons from the 70s. Half a century has passed.
    It's not that drones based on World War II aircraft are any better, but they can be made in large quantities and are cheap.
    Plus online control, the ability to use a swarm, and satellite targeting.
    Well, missiles with a range of up to a hundred kilometers are also no gift.
    If they also provide long-range MLRS, that won't be very pleasant either. Yes, it's expensive, much more expensive than UAVs, but they can use it for short-term operations.

    But, frankly speaking, even this will not save the enemy.
    America's main problem is that they've taken other people's cowards seriously, considering them their own domain. And they're getting involved with them. It's simply indecent, after all.
    1. 0
      3 October 2025 07: 56
      Quote from Kuziming
      Cruise missiles are still weapons from the 70s. Half a century has passed.
      It's not that drones based on World War II aircraft are any better, but they can be made in large quantities and are cheap.
      Plus online control, the ability to use a swarm, and satellite targeting.
      Well, and missiles with a range of up to a hundred kilometers too.

      The Kr-2 was designed as a stealthy carrier with a decent warhead, capable of flying in uneven terrain. No World War II-era aircraft drone could match its range.
  14. 0
    3 October 2025 07: 47
    It is quite possible that Trump, in his usual manner, was once again bluffing, trying to “send two submarines” to
    ... the steppes of Ukraine.
  15. +4
    3 October 2025 09: 13
    This article is meant to reassure self-righteousness. Since there's talk of Topor missiles, it's only a matter of time before they're launched toward Russia. If they hit residential buildings, the death toll would be in the hundreds.
  16. +8
    3 October 2025 09: 28
    To be completely objective, the US has a much more effective weapon than the old cruise missile.

    There is, and it's Russian capitalism, plucked from the dustbin of history. It's not our oligarchs who are the West's enemies, nor our henpecked capitalism, but the residual Soviet potential, primarily its nuclear and missile capabilities. This is the West's main enemy, not the traitors and renegades and the "elite," for whom Russia is merely a feeding trough, just as it is for the West, where our fat cats are funneling their assets.
    Look, the "SVO" could have legally taken over Ukraine in 2014, with a legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov. No, they did everything to squander all their cards, including referendums in Donbas, the "Russian Spring" throughout southeastern Ukraine, and Yanukovych's official appeal for assistance (all within the bounds of international law). They didn't recognize Donbas, but they did recognize Poroshenko, meaning those who carried out the coup. They gave the Banderites eight years to prepare, brainwashed the population, strengthened the Ukrainian Armed Forces, purged pro-Russian forces in Ukraine as a whole, and all these years they were directly killing Russians in Donbas. Crimea, with the recognition of the elections and the integrity of Ukraine in 2014, became, by all standards, an annexation, and the "SVO," which was late in 2022, was downright aggression. So they set Russia up, for the sake of oligarchs' selfish interests, for the super-profits of the rich on both sides, and for blood and grief. Weren't we ready in 2014? Come on, how could we have "prepared" for eight years then, when we can't even liberate the territory of Donbas in over three and a half years? What's the point, returning to the topic: there will be Tomahawks in Ukraine, the mobilization of the European economy, the rearmament of NATO, while we're on mopeds and "loaves of bread," with "new tactics," empty arsenals, and a ruined economy. When the last remaining weapon—the nuclear trump card—is left, who knows if the moment will finally come for which it all began—when, in the name of peace and humanism, our bad boys accept the West's ultimatum, which will place our strategic nuclear forces under external control and leave them in the "sandbox" of the coveted bourgeoisie, with all their hard-earned wealth, their "jar of jam" and "packet of cookies." Wasn't that what the USSR was destroyed for?
    1. -1
      3 October 2025 09: 44
      Quote: Per se.
      To be completely objective, the US has a much more effective weapon than the old cruise missile.

      There is, and it's Russian capitalism, plucked from the dustbin of history. It's not our oligarchs who are the West's enemies, nor our henpecked capitalism, but the residual Soviet potential, primarily its nuclear and missile capabilities. This is the West's main enemy, not the traitors and renegades and the "elite," for whom Russia is merely a feeding trough, just as it is for the West, where our fat cats are funneling their assets.
      Look, the "SVO" [Russian Foreign Ministry], where they could have legally taken over Ukraine in 2014, with the legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov in their corner. No, they did everything they could to squander all their cards, including referendums in Donbas, the "Russian Spring" throughout southeastern Ukraine, and Yanukovych's official appeal for assistance (all within the bounds of international law). They didn't recognize Donbas, but they did recognize Poroshenko, meaning those who carried out the coup.

      They recognized him because he won the election. Yanukovych's legitimacy evaporated.
      1. +3
        3 October 2025 09: 57
        Quote: Panin (Michman)
        Yanukovych's legitimacy has evaporated.
        It evaporated precisely because we recognized the elections held by illegitimate voters. It was an unconstitutional coup d'état; there could be no talk of any elections, or their legality, with a living and legitimate president of Ukraine.
        1. -2
          5 October 2025 07: 56
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: Panin (Michman)
          Yanukovych's legitimacy has evaporated.
          It evaporated precisely because we recognized the elections held by illegitimate voters. It was an unconstitutional coup d'état; there could be no talk of any elections, or their legality, with a living and legitimate president of Ukraine.

          The legitimate president left the country. That is, he admitted defeat.
          1. +1
            6 October 2025 06: 30
            It doesn't matter what Yanukovych admitted or didn't admit, he was with us, and he officially appealed to us for help as president (this is registered with the UN). The main question is why the Russian government recognized those it called illegitimate, a junta. Everything else is a matter of those who want opportunities, and those who don't want reasons. They found reasons here.
  17. 0
    3 October 2025 09: 45
    Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?
    Yes, I think it would be better to say: "Thank God we won't see Tomahawks in our skies."

    "To be completely objective, the US has far more effective weapons than the old cruise missile. For example, the AGM-158 JASSM-ER, an air-launched cruise missile that has very decent potential, but which, unfortunately, the US doesn't offer to anyone."
    Do you regret this very much, Author?
  18. +7
    3 October 2025 09: 58
    Another lullaby for the masses.
    It's all a bluff... there won't be any tomahawks... and even if there are, there's nothing to launch them from... and even if they do launch them, that's direct participation in the conflict... and if... then...
    I've read so many times something similar about everything that's flying, exploding, and striking now - it all started exactly like that - they won't dare!.. and if they do dare, then we will!..
    I'm sick and tired of these lullabies.
    1. +7
      3 October 2025 11: 53
      Quote from sdivt
      . and if they dare, then we!..

      So, let's remember the threatening statements...
      And let any of the soldiers try shooting at their own people, behind whom we will stand, not in front, but behind. Let them try shooting at women and children! (Vladimir Putin, regarding the events in Donbas)

      "They won't get off with just tomatoes" (statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin, made on December 3, 2015, regarding the Russian bomber shot down by Turkey).

      Now, a few important, very important words for those who might be tempted to interfere with current events. Anyone who tries to hinder us, much less pose a threat to our country, to our people, must know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead to consequences you have never experienced before in your history. We are prepared for any development. All necessary decisions have been made. I hope my voice will be heard. (Vladimir Putin, at the start of the SVO)

      "Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. Well, what can you say? Let them try." (Vladimir Putin, during the Second World War)

      That's how it is - let them just try...
  19. kig
    +3
    3 October 2025 13: 17
    Why ask for weapons if you don't know what to do with them? Tomahawks will definitely arrive, although not right away, of course.
  20. -1
    3 October 2025 13: 21
    If they had taken Russia into account, they would have been more cautious and there would have been no arms supplies to Ukraine.
  21. +4
    3 October 2025 15: 31
    Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?

    I see the "alternatively gifted" aren't even being taught what's happening... It all started with just helmets and personal medical kits, but what are they supplying now? It seems the "never say never" rule is beyond some people's comprehension... And then, they're left scratching their heads, wondering, "How did this happen, and what should we do now?"...
    1. -2
      3 October 2025 15: 45
      And who told you that? The weapons were supplied, the personnel were trained abroad or at the Yavoriv training ground, by foreign instructors, starting in 2014. They simply kept quiet about it, that's all.
  22. +2
    3 October 2025 16: 09
    Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?

    If they weren't there, we wouldn't have seen them.
    But they exist - a good organization of competent people and voila, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launch them across Russia.
  23. -1
    3 October 2025 16: 12
    They'll install it or not. A daisy. We should have prepared ourselves: space, communications, command and control, but the grandmaster has only been talking smoothly since 1999, not to mention the period since 2014, when the war was already underway, and he, along with his staff genius and his Arbat District clique, were fast asleep.
  24. -2
    3 October 2025 17: 35
    Thanks for the article. Excellent. I started looking for the July one. Although I should have read it.
  25. +3
    3 October 2025 21: 25
    Son, never say "Never." What seems like science fiction today will be commonplace tomorrow... Someone big and smart was throwing thunder and lightning, assuring gullible ordinary people that the enemy would face instant demise if he tried to bomb the old metropolis... and now such bombing is a common occurrence... the average Russian is no longer surprised by anything and no longer believes anyone's loud pronouncements, come what may... and screw it.
  26. DO
    0
    4 October 2025 02: 16
    The scenario of Tomahawk missiles being launched at Russia from Ukraine, discussed in the article and so heatedly commented on, is unlikely. NATO countries have other cruise missiles, including long-range ones, that could be launched from F-16s right now.
    However, Tomahawk launches against Russia, as is quite traditional, from NATO naval ships and submarines, cannot be ruled out. Judging by the speed of escalation, Russian air defense forces need to prepare for this very quickly.
    1. 0
      4 October 2025 08: 29
      Launching missiles at us from carriers belonging to NATO itself is already an open war against NATO.
      1. DO
        0
        4 October 2025 09: 31
        Jose, yes, that's exactly it. Clearly, this is where things are heading quite quickly, and not at Russia's instigation. And such a war shouldn't come as a surprise to either the Russian Armed Forces or Russian society.
        1. 0
          4 October 2025 23: 12
          Such a war would become nuclear if not in a matter of hours, then in a matter of days.
          1. DO
            0
            4 October 2025 23: 25
            Jose, let's hope that politicians and generals on both sides have the self-preservation and intelligence to prevent the use of nuclear weapons. If, God forbid, they are used, then at least strictly limit the parameters of this still hypothetical nuclear exchange.
            By the way, it is not too late to develop and adopt a corresponding agreement.
            1. 0
              4 October 2025 23: 28
              All the agreements are already gone, too late to drink Borjomi. Conventionally, we don't have the strength to compete with NATO.
              1. DO
                0
                4 October 2025 23: 32
                Quote: Jose
                Conventionally, we do not have the strength to compete with NATO.

                The Ukrainian Armed Forces are fighting with NATO weapons, NATO intelligence, NATO command, NATO vacationers, and mercenaries. And yet, the Russian army continues to advance inexorably.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2025 23: 35
                  The Ukrainian Armed Forces don't have thousands of aircraft or thousands of cruise missiles. They don't have a navy. They don't have nuclear weapons. They don't have a bunch of bases around our territory.
                  1. DO
                    0
                    4 October 2025 23: 47
                    Jose, Russia may have slightly fewer cruise missiles and almost no navy, but it has an army and command that have already learned how to wage a modern major war. The logistics of the Russian Armed Forces do not need to cross the ocean. Russia's military missions at sea are defensive, unlike the main missile carrier of the NATO Navy, which will be forced to attack, exposing itself to attacks. The Russian Armed Forces have more tactical and strategic nuclear weapons.
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2025 01: 42
                      True. And it's clear that we're not Iraq, or Serbia, or Libya, or Iran, or Lebanon. But... the enemy's bases are now all around us: in the Arctic, in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden, in the Baltics, in Poland, in Romania, in Bulgaria, in Turkey, in Japan, and in South Korea.
                      1. DO
                        0
                        5 October 2025 08: 51
                        Jose, who said it would be easy? That's precisely why we must fight according to all the rules of military science, without restrictions for the military (except nuclear weapons). We must finally begin methodically destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces' logistics—all Ukrainian bridges, other railway infrastructure, rolling stock, etc.
                      2. +1
                        6 October 2025 20: 10
                        Nobody argues with this, no sane person argues with this.
            2. 0
              4 October 2025 23: 31
              Generals don't decide anything themselves, they are the same soldiers who carry out orders.
              1. DO
                0
                4 October 2025 23: 37
                Jose, politicians know WHAT needs to be done. Generals and military industrialists know HOW to do it. Politicians, generals, and military industrialists of a country at war must be a well-coordinated team, otherwise the war will inevitably be lost.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2025 23: 39
                  The point is that the military doesn't determine strategy. The military carries out the orders of the country's political leadership. Strategy is determined by politicians and diplomats.
                  1. DO
                    0
                    4 October 2025 23: 49
                    Jose, politicians and diplomats do not have sufficient military qualifications to independently develop a military strategy; they cannot do without competent military personnel and industrialists.
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2025 01: 35
                      For this purpose, there is a structure called the Russian Security Council. But it is primarily a political structure, not a military one.
      2. +1
        4 October 2025 22: 42
        Launching missiles at us from carriers belonging to NATO itself is already an open war against NATO.

        Launching NATO bullets from NATO firearms, or tank, artillery, and rocket projectiles from the same organization from their cannons and multiple launch rocket systems—isn't that a war with NATO? Do Tomahawks absolutely have to fly?
        1. +1
          4 October 2025 23: 10
          It's not NATO members who are pulling the buttons and triggers yet. Or at least not official NATO members. There is a difference.
          1. 0
            5 October 2025 10: 03
            Or at least not official NATO members.

            So the SVO isn't an official war against Ukraine either. So who's pulling the buttons, the triggers, then? Not the Russian Armed Forces, not the Ukrainian Armed Forces—they're probably not there? NATO has been there for a long time, also without an official declaration of war, and we need to stop looking at this war through rose-colored glasses.
            1. 0
              6 October 2025 20: 08
              Rose-colored glasses are long gone; we've been at war for four years. But there are no overt NATO members there yet, just as there's no war outside Ukraine.
  27. +3
    4 October 2025 08: 52
    Roman, I'm plagued by vague doubts. On paper, yes, the Americans cut up their land-based axes under the INF Treaty. The key word is "on paper." With us, it's all clear: during the Gorbachev-Yeltsin masochism, we, in a manic masochism zeal to "please" the West, cut up everything, both treaty-based and non-treaty-based. Everyone knows how we destroyed the Pioneer and Oka missiles. Or how shamefully we withdrew our troops from Eastern European countries, when that withdrawal looked more like the flight of a defeated army, and was accompanied by massive corruption. But that's us. The Americans, on the other hand, could easily have hidden a lot from us back then—land-based Tomahawks, Pershings, toxic agents, and much more.
    Yes, you're right, there are currently almost no combat-ready ground-based axe carriers (if official documents are to be believed), and there are no airborne carriers of this weapon at all, nor will there ever be one. But I wouldn't relax or become complacent about this. We need to prepare for anything and find adequate methods to counter this weapon and adequate responses to its use.
  28. +4
    4 October 2025 16: 13
    The article gets a thumbs down. The author, as usual, has been spouting nonsense lately. Building a new axe launcher is no problem. And it's time to pay him back for the article. And next, what if axes start flying all over our country? Roman, what will you write next?
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  30. 0
    4 October 2025 22: 31
    (Yes, I clarified that “Tifon” and “Typhoon” are written and pronounced the same way.

    Why is it the same? Typhon (Typhon) - Typhon and
    Typhoon (Тайфуун) - Typhoon.
  31. +2
    4 October 2025 22: 35
    Why won't we see Tomahawks in our skies?
    .
    Because they fly low and fast. Everything else in the article is empty boasting and boasting.
  32. +2
    4 October 2025 22: 39
    To be completely objective, the US has far more effective weapons than the outdated cruise missile. For example, the AGM-158 JASSM-ER, an air-launched cruise missile with considerable potential, but which, unfortunately, the US doesn't offer to anyone.

    Who knows what's going on in the head of Red Don and his gang? winked
  33. +1
    5 October 2025 21: 57
    There have been a ton of articles like this since 2014...
    Why won't we see Javelins...
    Why won't we see Abrams...
    Why won't we see Haimarsy...
    Why won't we see the F-16...
    If we drag this out, we'll soon see nuclear weapons, though not our own...
  34. 0
    5 October 2025 23: 54
    Well, here we go again, the latest "dance with a tambourine" has begun in the domestic blogosphere, now, around "Tomahawks"... Readers of "VO" have been through all of this for a long time... Let's remember how our "internet nightingales" raved about the POSSIBILITIES of supplying LETHAL WEAPONS to the Ukrainian Reich? So what? They have been supplying and continue to supply, disregarding everything and everyone, including the UN, Russian "lines" of all shades and "subtle hints at serious circumstances" from Moscow offices... In short and to the point: if the West "presses hard" (and the situation is moving towards this "phase" of confrontation), then they will supply not only Tomahawks with American personnel and a "set" of targets deep in Russia, but also, possibly, elements of nuclear, chemical or bacteriological weapons... There is a persistent opinion that Europe and NATO have lost their genetic sense of "healthy arrogance" under the "pressure" of Russian peaceful initiatives, "loud" statements by Russian leaders and "targeted" demonstrations of new types of weapons and military equipment in very modest quantities... And, most importantly, the enemy has come to believe that the West and NATO are not threatened by a preemptive strike from Russia on their territories with nuclear weapons... So the "brothers" have gotten carried away... Well, and for us All that's left is to wait for another Valdai or a massive "flight" of enemy drones into our rear...
  35. 0
    6 October 2025 10: 50
    We won't see Tomahawks in our skies.

    For some reason this doesn’t upset me at all!
  36. 0
    7 October 2025 15: 44
    "Axes" are nuclear warhead carriers!!! How do we know if they're flying with a conventional warhead or not? The answer must be the latter, and nothing else.
  37. 0
    8 October 2025 13: 47
    Never say never (C)
  38. -1
    9 October 2025 15: 05
    Why do you need Tomahawks when half your oil refineries are already burning? They're slowly lowering you down. If you had Netanyahu on the throne, no one would joke with Russia. Your resolve is very weak. Of your 140 million, at least 40 million are living comfortably; they have no time for war. You have no chance.
  39. 0
    9 October 2025 21: 37
    We'll soon see what we see)
    We live in wonderful times - it's good that I didn't follow the summons like my friend, who whines and curses our government
  40. 0
    12 October 2025 06: 18
    Great review!
    This is the second "coming" of medium-range cruise missiles to Europe. The first occurred in 1983, along the NATO perimeter. I believe it is necessary to recall this historical experience. The political leadership is now declaring: "We will strengthen air defenses." Andropov's statement of November 21, 1983, envisioned a range of measures. Moreover, these measures were asymmetrical. In 1983, Andropov ordered the deployment of missile submarine groups near the West and East Coasts of the United States to ensure minimal flight time. And, in addition, other tasks were to be accomplished. As a result of the intense pursuit of this task, the United States "saw the light" and realized the danger of such measures. And the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty was signed.
    The US President's rhetorical question: would you like to see what they'll do with these Tomahawk missiles in Ukraine? Answer: Without US specialists in Ukraine, these missiles will be nothing more than expensive blanks. Proof: simply study the flight parameters for these missiles and Ukraine's database of relevant data.
    But I would apply the experience of 1983.
    1. 0
      12 October 2025 06: 29
      By the way, given the current availability of weapons, these measures could be even stronger.
  41. 0
    23 October 2025 20: 09
    As I predicted above on October 12:
    The Supreme One answered the question in this article: The answer will be very serious, even stunning!
    I hope after this you will understand.
  42. 0
    27 October 2025 17: 25
    When Trump told the world about the submarine off our coast, he didn't demand a report from the Pentagon: what was the circle the B-class cruise missile flew during flight tests? And that was a shame. It seems to me that it parted ways somewhere near the Statue of Liberty.