Tanks and artillery in the Russian National Guard

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Tanks and artillery in the Russian National Guard
Tank T-90 from the 116th Separate Special Purpose Brigade


In recent years, tanks and cannons have reappeared in the units and divisions of the Russian National Guard. artillery Various types. These weapons and equipment significantly improved the units' firepower and overall combat capabilities. This potential is now being actively utilized within the Special Operations and contributes to achieving overall objectives.



In the distant past


The Internal Troops, part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, previously possessed a significant fleet of armored vehicles and artillery of various types. The units included tanks, armored personnel carriers, reconnaissance and patrol vehicles, and so on. They also were armed with towed guns and mortars, anti-aircraft mounts, and other weapons. Due to the nature of their service and operation, the Internal Troops generally had older weapons than the army.

In the mid-2000s, the country's leadership reconsidered the role and missions of the Internal Troops. As a result of this process, tanks, most artillery, and a number of other systems were removed from their inventory. Those no longer needed were decommissioned and transferred to the armed forces. Those fit for continued service were assigned to combat units.

In 2016, the Federal Service of National Guard Troops was created on the basis of the Internal Troops and other structures. It largely inherited the organizational structure and equipment of the Internal Troops. At the same time, the previous development logic was maintained, and the previously initiated rearmament processes continued.


Combat work of tank crews

By the early 1920s, the Russian National Guard had a fairly large and diverse fleet of armored vehicles. They were armed with armored personnel carriers, mostly of the latest models, a number of infantry fighting vehicles, and a number of armored cars with various features. These armored vehicles of various types were distributed among all major line units.

Artillery was not developing at that time. Regiments and operational brigades had mortar battalions. They were armed with 120mm portable/towing mortars. The Russian National Guard had no other barrel-fired or rocket-propelled systems.

Strengthening of parts


Since February 2022, the Russian National Guard has been actively participating in the Special Operation to Protect Donbas. Its units and subunits have repeatedly participated in frontline combat and are also responsible for securing the rear and lines of communication. While these units utilized their existing assets and equipment to accomplish their assigned missions, their inventory has subsequently undergone significant changes.

At various points along the front, the guardsmen not only destroyed enemy equipment and weapons but also captured them as trophies. As early as March and April 2022, it became known that they had captured and commissioned a number of Ukrainian tanks and artillery systems, both towed and self-propelled.

The units managed to quickly resolve the problem of organizing the exploitation of the captured weapons. For example, the crews and gunners were composed of guardsmen who had served in the armed forces with the relevant specialties. Furthermore, the army provided assistance with training. As a result, the Russian National Guard received a significant increase in firepower.


Captured 2S3 self-propelled gun, April 2022

The troop's stock of captured weapons and equipment subsequently grew steadily. Furthermore, reports emerged of tanks and other military equipment being transferred. The necessary logistics were organized to ensure the supply of ammunition and spare parts. As a result of these processes, the Russian National Guard acquired new combat capabilities as early as 2023.

Measures are being taken


During this period, important conclusions were drawn and corresponding decisions were made. In mid-2023, the FSVNG leadership announced its intention to restore full-fledged tank and artillery units within the existing structure.

It was mentioned at the time that similar issues had already been discussed at the level of the country's military and political leadership. The re-equipping of Rosgvardia units was planned to be carried out based on available financial and other resources. Detailed plans for the delivery of the required systems and products, for obvious reasons, were not disclosed.

However, in 2023, the number of reports and communications regarding the combat performance of Guards tank crews and artillerymen did not decrease. Moreover, it became known that such units were already present in several regiments and brigades of the Russian National Guard involved in the Special Operation.

A few months later, the issue of fully-fledged combat crew training was resolved. Starting next year, the Russian National Guard's educational institutions were scheduled to resume training tank crews and artillerymen. In the coming years, the first graduates with these qualifications will join the units.


A D-30 cannon of the Russian National Guard at a firing position.

It's important to note that all transformations are being implemented while the Russian National Guard is participating in the ongoing Special Operation. This facilitates rapid acquisition of experience, which can then be quickly used when developing or adjusting plans. This organizational approach will ensure the best results with minimal investment of time and effort.

New forces and means


Complete and accurate information on the reinforcement of Russian National Guard units with artillery and tanks is still lacking. However, the available data allows us to roughly understand how this process is unfolding and what its results have been so far.

According to available data, new tank and artillery units have appeared in several existing formations. For example, in official the news Tankers from the 116th Separate Special Forces Brigade regularly appear from the FSVNG. The unit, known as the "Steel Brigade," was formed in 2023 and has since operated directly on the front lines, contributing to the defeat of enemy forces.

The bulk of the Rosgvardia's tank fleet consists of T-72 and T-90 combat vehicles of several modifications, mostly later models. In addition, in 2022-23, the Guards captured Ukrainian T-64s. For obvious reasons, the use of some captured tanks is subject to restrictions, and domestically produced tanks remain the primary choice.


The number of tanks in the Russian National Guard is unknown. Each unit with a tank detachment may have up to several dozen armored vehicles. However, in terms of overall equipment, they are inferior to ground forces units.

The existing mortar battalions, armed with 120mm transportable/portable systems, have been retained within the brigades and regiments. Recently, they have been supplemented by units with different weaponsThese batteries and divisions operate 122mm D-30 towed guns, as well as some captured self-propelled artillery pieces. As with tanks, the number of guns and self-propelled guns is not disclosed.

It's worth noting that firepower was increased not only by introducing tanks and artillery. Reconnaissance, target acquisition, and correction capabilities are also crucial. Even before the Special Operation, Rosgvardia units were actively developing unmanned aerial vehicles. aviation reconnaissance systems. Now they search for real enemy targets and assist tank crews and artillerymen in combat.

In the process of development


The organizational structure and equipment of any troops must be consistent with their role in ensuring national security and the tasks they undertake. It became clear early on in the Special Operation that the Russian National Guard needed to be reinforced with armored vehicles and large-caliber artillery.

The first steps in this direction were taken in 2022, and the desired results were soon achieved. Subsequently, the FSVNG leadership made the appropriate decisions, and a full-scale restructuring and reequipping of the units began. Their combat effectiveness increased, and with it, their contribution to overall results. The rearmament of the Russian National Guard is not yet complete, but its initial results are already known, and they provide grounds for optimism.
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  1. P
    + 29
    11 October 2025 04: 22
    The primary purpose of the Internal Troops Guard is to remove the Ministry of Internal Affairs' mobile force and concentrate it under the leadership of a docile, controllable individual who will execute the "go ahead" order to suppress the internal enemy. I don't recall the role of this agency in the potato marches at all.
    1. + 42
      11 October 2025 05: 09
      under the leadership of an obedient, controlled cadre, who will carry out the "sic 'em" order when suppressing the internal enemy.
      Exactly. How afraid are they of their own people, if they're giving tanks and artillery to the "Cardinal's Guard"... Which, as the "Prigozhin March" showed, is as useless as a goat's milk.
      1. -17
        11 October 2025 06: 55
        Prigozhin's march would have failed in any case. Not a single military officer—not a single general, not a single officer, not a single soldier—was technically or physically on his side. Not a single government official—not a single governor, not a single mayor, not a single deputy—was on his side either.
        1. + 16
          11 October 2025 12: 09
          So no one stood in their way. And the governors started calling after Prigozhin turned around.
          1. -5
            11 October 2025 16: 46
            They were already getting ready to get up. He would have lost anyway.
          2. +8
            11 October 2025 17: 59
            No one expected such a vile betrayal. The civilian authorities responded as best they could – digging up the roads, setting up police cordons, dumping rubble, old railroad ties, and pipes onto the roads, and blocking them with loaded trucks. The measures were ineffective, and Prigozhin's men weren't deterred. But the authorities responded. I hope these measures were assessed and studied, and everyone was punished according to their merits and resourcefulness.
            1. Des
              +2
              12 October 2025 21: 39
              Thank you for your kind words.
        2. + 10
          11 October 2025 13: 10
          Quote: Jose
          Not a single military man - not a single general, not a single officer, not a single soldier - technically or physically sided with him.
          Did he really need that? He could have beaten up Shoigu and Gerasimov without any help.
          1. -8
            11 October 2025 16: 47
            He needed to seize power, not beat someone in the face.
            1. +9
              11 October 2025 21: 04
              Quote: Jose
              He needed to seize power, not beat someone in the face.
              Why do you think so?
        3. + 10
          12 October 2025 01: 18
          But physically there were no generals in the General Staff, just crap!
      2. + 12
        11 October 2025 08: 44
        Well, in the USSR everything was different - it was a people's state after all.

        Oh no, I'm confused. Armored vehicles and even tanks were used to suppress anti-government protests in Novocherkassk on June 1-3, 1962.

        And then, in 1991, all the USSR's security agencies were no longer of any use. Neither the KGB, nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the Soviet Army came to the defense of the USSR.

        It's unclear whether the state was no longer truly national, or something else entirely. There was no one left to defend the USSR from internal enemies and traitors. And only 29 years had passed since 1962.
        1. +8
          11 October 2025 09: 37
          Quote: AlexanderA
          Oh no, I'm confused. Armored vehicles and even tanks were used to suppress anti-government protests in Novocherkassk on June 1-3, 1962.

          You are not confusing anything, it’s just “different”.
        2. +5
          12 October 2025 12: 39
          Quote: AlexanderA
          ... armored vehicles and even tanks were involved...

          You are not confusing anything; long-range combat aircraft and submarines were also involved. lol

          Quote: AlexanderA
          And then, in 1991, all the USSR's security agencies were no longer of any use. Neither the KGB, nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the Soviet Army came to the defense of the USSR.


          Quote: AlexanderA
          It is not clear whether the state was no longer entirely national, or something else.


          The operating principle of the vertical power structure—"the bosses know best"—and the principle of the cowardly individual—"it's none of my business"—came into play simultaneously and inexorably. In 1993, the people awoke from hunger, but it was too late—the gangrene of betrayal of the Motherland had already spread throughout the entire security forces. Those who were particularly awakened were executed by KPVT.
          1. 0
            13 December 2025 15: 56
            Do you still believe that the Supreme Council was made up of holy people who wished only happiness for all the people of Russia?
            What a naive ...
        3. P
          +5
          12 October 2025 22: 19
          Only a mentally ill person could have conceived of a people's state. Any state is a class state and by definition engages in the violent suppression of subordinate classes.
          1. +5
            13 October 2025 01: 10
            "The proletarian state will gradually transform itself, as socialist construction progresses, capitalist relations are eradicated, and capitalists disappear, into a state of the whole people." Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin, 1926, article "What the Soviet government is doing to implement democracy"
            1. P
              +3
              13 October 2025 01: 15
              Democracy, like the state, is never anything other than class-based. The considerations of 1926 can be absolutely anything, but they have nothing to do with Marxism, as the Union proved by its example.
              1. +5
                13 October 2025 01: 22
                In our history, this has happened many times: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as usual."That creative reinterpretation of the founders of Marxism from the 19th century can succeed in the 21st century is demonstrated, for example, by modern China.
      3. +5
        11 October 2025 13: 09
        Quote: Walrus
        How afraid are they of their own people, if they give tanks and artillery to the "Cardinal's Guard"?
        If a structure performs military tasks, it must also have military equipment.
        The number of tanks in the Russian National Guard is unknown.
        This is absolutely fantastic. Order in the tank forces.
      4. +5
        11 October 2025 18: 47
        This is eloquently demonstrated by the fact that their numbers before the Central Military District were almost twice as large as those of the Russian Army.
        1. +3
          11 October 2025 23: 16
          This is untrue; the issue has been discussed many times. Furthermore, it is incorrect to include in the comparison SOBR, OMON, and FSUE Okhrana, which are purely law enforcement agencies.
      5. +3
        13 October 2025 16: 12
        It's certainly frightening, but I personally don't think it will work. You can't buy everyone; there are always those who will understand that using such a thing against an "internal enemy" is a complete disgrace. Especially in our country, with our history, the military should know that such things don't lead to anything good. The cultural level may have dropped, but it's still clearly significantly higher than in the US, where, in the late 60s, riots in black ghettos were suppressed with tanks and machine guns, which, according to politicians, "brought peace."
      6. +3
        17 October 2025 19: 20
        Never cover a boiling pot tightly. It might explode. Never leave the lid open.
        So who was right? The FSVG commander or those who wanted to block Prigozhin's path to Moscow? And to cause a massacre.
    2. + 20
      11 October 2025 07: 57
      First of all, they're arming the Chechen army. They didn't have heavy weapons before, but now they officially do. Then there will be questions again: who did this? They have 12-15 so-called "Akhmats" alone—I'm tired of counting them—and all of them are VNGs.
    3. Des
      +3
      12 October 2025 21: 48
      I respect VV.
      But why the New Year needs tanks and artillery is another matter.
      Probably in accordance with the assigned tasks.
      1. 0
        13 December 2025 15: 58
        Why did the NKVD divisions in the USSR need tanks, artillery, armored trains, and aircraft?
  2. + 11
    11 October 2025 06: 00
    Quote: Pandemic
    The main purpose of the Internal Troops is to remove the mobile force resource from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and concentrate it under the leadership of an obedient, controllable cadre who will carry out the "sic 'em" order.
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs has the same obedient and controllable personnel. It couldn't be otherwise. wink
    1. +5
      11 October 2025 06: 47
      [quote=Schneeberg[/quote]The Ministry of Internal Affairs has the same obedient and controllable personnel. It couldn't be otherwise. wink[/ Quote]
      It is impossible to imagine, even in a nightmare, that the authorities would tolerate the presence of a disobedient and uncontrollable security structure.
      1. +1
        11 October 2025 06: 52
        There is another postulate here: the more, the better!
      2. +5
        11 October 2025 07: 13
        The authorities, unfortunately, exposed themselves by creating an illegal military organization in violation of their own laws. Because legally, no one has repealed the criminal code articles for creating illegal armed groups and for mercenary activity.
        1. -1
          11 October 2025 21: 44
          Quote: Jose
          The authorities, unfortunately, exposed themselves by creating an illegal military organization in violation of their own laws. Because legally, no one has repealed the criminal code articles for creating illegal armed groups and for mercenary activity.

          A controversial statement. Yes, we don't have PMCs, but we do have a law on private security companies, which, with the "proper adjustment of certain provisions," would allow for the near-private security role. So, the head of a private security company signed an agreement with the state to protect his interests for money, and what's wrong with that? Sixth-category weapons. Is the list of permitted weapons violated? Well, they were fairly recovered from the violators; they just didn't have time to hand them over, so they'd be fined. There's a law, there's interest, and they exist in parallel until the balance is upset. But as soon as one begins to prevail over the other, a conflict of interest arises, and one of the two is excluded from the scheme. But "stability," yes, there isn't. Yes
      3. +1
        14 October 2025 10: 03
        It is impossible to imagine, even in a nightmare, that the authorities would tolerate the presence of an unruly and uncontrollable security structure.

        Kadyrov's troops somehow endure
        1. 0
          14 October 2025 16: 03
          Quote: glory1974
          It is impossible to imagine, even in a nightmare, that the authorities would tolerate the presence of an unruly and uncontrollable security structure.

          Kadyrov's troops somehow endure

          And Kadyrov's troops do not conflict with the authorities.
          Kadyrov: "I am Putin's foot soldier"
          Putin is happy with this. That's why he gets away with a lot. Moreover, he'll send Kadyrov to subdue us if necessary.
          Yanukovych once hoped to exploit the nascent Bandera movement to his advantage, but it didn't work out. I hope the same doesn't happen to Putin.
  3. +6
    11 October 2025 07: 07
    In the 1980s, the Internal Troops could be roughly divided into three units. One was the "blue divisions" (special motorized police units), which supported the police and wore police uniforms, although they were staffed by ordinary conscripts. Another was the escort troops, which guarded and escorted prisoners. The third was the security troops, which protected important government facilities and special cargo. There was only one operational unit, designed to suppress mutinies, uprisings, and mass unrest—the Dzerzhinsky Division. In the 1990s, numerous operational units were created, although by the late 1990s, the escort troops had left for the Ministry of Justice, and conscripts were no longer called up there—but a problem arose in Chechnya. The closed nature of the system gave rise to widespread favoritism, and as a result, many command positions in the operational units (which were often used as regular infantry) were long occupied by former escort troops. At the time, they had very little understanding of military affairs. The situation is certainly different now.
    1. +6
      11 October 2025 07: 19
      There was only one operational unit designed to suppress rebellions, uprisings and mass unrest - the Dzerzhinsky Division.
      ,,,The SMVCh, although they wore police uniforms, had the same tasks as those listed above (as did the ODON)
      1. +7
        11 October 2025 07: 42
        I served in such a unit. The battalion had a platoon system, a reduced staff of 10-11 men per platoon. Armed with armored personnel carriers, BRDMs, Ural and UAZ vehicles, AKS, SVD, AGS, PR, Sfera helmet, army helmet, 3M module body armor, and shields.
        4-month training for patrol squad commanders (KPO) covering firearms, physical training, and tactics. Shooting sessions at the range are held during the day twice a week, and once at night. Shooting with an assault rifle, SVD, grenade launcher, and live-fire rifle throwing is included. Marching to the range on foot.
        Serving in the battalion providing OOP together with the police.
        When called up, part of the battalion was on a mission as part of a combined detachment in Grozny, Staropromyslovsky district.
        1. +3
          11 October 2025 17: 41
          ,,the day of the SMVCH recently passed
      2. +4
        11 October 2025 07: 49
        The ODON was, after all, a more "military" division than the SMChM. And the ODON was thrown into more serious matters—Baku, Fergana, Karabakh, Tbilisi, the earthquake in Armenia (where their main focus was combating looting), and a number of other serious matters (including the controversial events of 1993). The SMChM, however, was given a lighter workload—football, concerts, festivals, assisting patrol officers, cordons during emergencies, etc.
        1. +4
          11 October 2025 07: 51
          The SMCChM was still given a lighter workload - football, concerts, festivals, assistance to patrol officers, cordons during emergencies, etc.
          “Yes, that’s true, but in its history, the battalion traveled when unrest began in Central Asia, as well as the first and second Chechen wars.
          Part of which I later demobilized went to Dagestan in 99.
        2. +2
          11 October 2025 14: 56
          Jose (Eugene), sir, what about the warrant officers and sergeants who served in the Specialized Military-Industrial Complexes (SMChM) in Riga and Tallinn, teaching military science to their subordinate soldiers, while their training was in the Specialized Specialized Unit (ODON)? In the summer of 1989, a composite unit assembled in Krasnoyarsk-26 was airlifted from the Azerbaijani SSR to Fergana—not at all an ODON. A combined unit from military unit 3217 (the 290th Separate Motorized Rifle Novorossiysk Red Banner Regiment of the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs named after Lenin Komsomol—not an ODON at all), transferred from Transcaucasia, served in Kokand from early June 1989. The men of the combined detachment served in the Transcaucasus from 1988 to 1991. Prior to that, the regiment served in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Exclusion Zone from April 24, 1986, to May 1987. However, in 1980, the regiment was given a lighter workload—football—in Kyiv during the 1980 Olympics. That same year, 1980, conscripts from the Tallinn SMChM Battalion were not allowed to serve at the Olympic Sailing Center in Pirita. They served only in the city, while the Olympic Center in Pirita was guarded by officers and cadets from the Tallinn Specialized Secondary Police School of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs... In the summer of 1989, fourth-year cadets from Minsk (instead of their pre-graduation practical training in the Udmurt Republic) of the Minsk Higher School of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs were transferred from Zvartnots Airport to Yerevan, liberated from peaceful demonstrators and strikers, I swear on my mother, yes-ssss, to guard it. Before them, until April 1989, Zvartnots was guarded by guys from Lvov, military unit 5443 (23rd Specialized Secondary Police Force) – not at all like the Specialized Specialized Police Force. In the summer of 1989, they were transferred from Lvov to Abkhazia, then to Moldova... Yes, in June 1989, in Kokand, during an attempt to storm government buildings, the most amiable, peaceful Uzbeks drove tractors and attempted to set fire to a cordon of cadets from the Perm Higher Military Command School of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs with gasoline-filled bottles. Incidentally, the most peaceful Uzbek demonstrators intended to hang one of the city's leaders (not a Meskhetian Turk at all); they attached a noose to the arm of the Lenin monument.
          1. +1
            11 October 2025 17: 11
            I agree, that's exactly how it was. But back then, the country was in the early stages of collapse, and such situations were dealt with in a hurry, using whatever was available. Or, for example, if a plane crashed, the SMChM would be deployed as a cordon, and fire cadets would be sent in to collect the remains of the bodies.
            1. 0
              11 October 2025 18: 54
              Jose (Eugene), sir, what plane crash are you talking about, when and where, and which firefighting academy? Have you forgotten that firefighting academies were part of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs? Any cadet could collect body fragments from a plane crash site only after an investigator from the transport or military prosecutor's office (depending on whose aircraft it was) and a forensic prosecutor had recorded and described the fragment in a police inspection report, photographed, filmed, or videotaped, and marked it on a diagram in pencil, then packed and sealed the package. Have you ever been to a crash site with even one (one) body? ...Firefighters often remove bodies from residential fires and traffic accidents, so training a cadet in what they will actually need over many years of service on duty (until they reach the top) is very useful and appropriate.
              1. 0
                11 October 2025 23: 02
                I don't argue that it is necessary to strengthen the psyche of a future fire officer in this way.
                Google it: on April 27, 1974, Il-18 USSR-75559 crashed near Leningrad. I won't go into the details of the crash itself, but I spoke with my late uncle, who was in the same unit at the time, and with a medical worker who worked in the morgue where body parts were brought. Yes, firefighting cadets walked around the field with prosecutors, picking up those severed arms, legs, and heads, and one company of the Special Purpose Fire Fighting Mission (SMChM) stood guard, while another worked as orderlies in the morgue to assist the medics.
          2. 0
            11 October 2025 17: 14
            Many VVs were sent to Chernobyl to guard that territory, I don’t know about the ODON there, maybe they were sent there too.
    2. AMG
      +4
      11 October 2025 09: 56
      "Blue divisions" is a bit of a stretch. Simply put, they were barracks militia (conscripts), forming separate battalions within escort divisions. Besides the Dzerzhinsky Special Purpose Detachment, operational units (regiments) already existed in the 70s, for example in Kyiv and Lviv. Armored vehicles were available in small numbers, including obsolete types, such as the BTR-152.
      1. +1
        11 October 2025 10: 30
        The Internal Troops' special forces were also a unique structure. Their primary goal was to suppress riots in the prison camps.
        1. AMG
          +3
          11 October 2025 10: 38
          Line units could and did do this. Later, divisions began training separate companies. They were also supposed to prevent convict escapes. A USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs training film on this topic, "Operation Cactus,"
          1. +2
            11 October 2025 10: 43
            The Vityaz unit, created under Dzerzhinsky's division, was initially used as a special rapid response unit.
            1. AMG
              +2
              11 October 2025 10: 49
              Anything is possible, and any variations were used depending on the situation.
      2. +3
        11 October 2025 10: 36
        The worst aspect was the attitude of the population and other soldiers. In Soviet times, demobilized soldiers were either given uniforms from other troops or sent back to civilian life. Because on the train, other demobilized soldiers would beat them up, while former inmates could even stab them or throw them out of the car. Among other soldiers, the main negative attitude toward those wearing red shoulder straps came from the construction battalion. This is unsurprising—there were many convicted felons, orphans, former disciplinary battalion veterans, and other dregs of the military there, recruited as residuals.
        1. AMG
          +1
          11 October 2025 10: 46
          Not always and not everywhere. And no one issued uniforms; we rode the trains like everyone else. And who would dare beat up a group of demobilized Chechen soldiers? And why did the population often shout, "Help! Police!" in crisis situations?
          1. 0
            11 October 2025 10: 49
            Yes, that's understandable. This was primarily, or rather, was most likely, the case in the North and the Far East, where there were many prison camps and the local population was full of former inmates.
            1. AMG
              +4
              11 October 2025 10: 54
              Are you familiar with the service or from stories?
              1. 0
                11 October 2025 10: 56
                My father was a senior sergeant major in the Internal Troops, in the Military Defense and Security Service, and guarded factories.
                1. AMG
                  +4
                  11 October 2025 11: 00
                  The terms "escort men" and "industrialists" were in common use. Where did your father serve and in what years?
                  1. +2
                    11 October 2025 11: 01
                    Yes, industrialists, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Norilsk 1969-74.
                    1. AMG
                      +1
                      11 October 2025 11: 03
                      Thanks for chatting! All the best!
                  2. +2
                    11 October 2025 14: 49
                    This is the first time I've heard of any industrialists. There have always been special units.
                    Ural, 86-88.
                    1. AMG
                      +2
                      11 October 2025 14: 55
                      "Promyshlenniki" are the Internal Troops units guarding especially important facilities, and "escorts" are the penal colony guards. On a more mundane level.
          2. 0
            11 October 2025 10: 54
            Yeah, and they tried to send them out not singly or in pairs, but in groups of several. And before sending them out, the officers instructed everyone on how to avoid undesirable situations.
            1. AMG
              +2
              11 October 2025 11: 05
              The farewell ceremony was as usual in military units, with the flag being carried out. People left in groups.
              1. +1
                11 October 2025 11: 13
                The escorts had a high percentage of non-Slavs. This was done to reduce the likelihood of illicit, confidential connections with the special contingent.
                1. AMG
                  +1
                  11 October 2025 11: 19
                  It's hard to say in percentages, but one-third is possible. And anyone could have entered into a relationship, regardless of nationality or the degree of their promiscuity.
                  1. 0
                    11 October 2025 11: 21
                    Well, in the women's zones there were also the most complete connections) Although soldiers were not allowed to escort women in vehicles.
                    A friend of mine in Solikamsk was allowed to transport their outfit of aunties by some mistake one day)
                    1. AMG
                      +2
                      11 October 2025 11: 23
                      I can’t say anything, I have no information.
                      1. 0
                        11 October 2025 11: 27
                        But fifty-fifty) Some will give (and children from such contacts also occurred in sufficient numbers), and some will stab.
                      2. AMG
                        +1
                        11 October 2025 11: 31
                        This is what the consequences of violating military discipline are.
                      3. +2
                        11 October 2025 11: 34
                        Yeah. These aren't women, they're monsters.
        2. +2
          11 October 2025 15: 02
          Jose (Evgeny), why are you telling me horror stories from the 50s? In your opinion, did the railway linemen only drink vodka in the LPM, didn't escort trains, and never interacted with the police departments, whether they were in the police department, the "forest" correctional labor camps, or the GROVD?
          1. +1
            11 October 2025 15: 43
            A little over forty-something kid. So, by and large, this guy heard all the "true stories" about the horrors of the Internal Troops and demobilization in women's clothing from "a friend of his great-grandfather's brother-in-law's sister."
            Individual incidents affected any category of demobilized military personnel from all branches of the armed forces, but he deliberately focuses on the Russian Internal Troops.
            All his nonsense about women's prisons and mercilessly raped soldiers in maroon shoulder straps is further confirmation of his lack of any knowledge of the matter.
            Structural, organizational, and other changes to the Russian Internal Troops are long overdue and are being implemented in accordance with the demands of the times. Similar changes are underway in other branches of the Russian Armed Forces.
            1. +1
              11 October 2025 16: 57
              Don't distort the facts. I never claimed it was widespread. But there was certainly a negative public attitude toward the Internal Troops, especially among those who had served time. Not in the Russian Federation, by the way, but in the USSR. I know for a fact that nothing good ever came of serving in the Internal Troops if, for whatever reason, they later ended up in places not so remote. Someone like that could easily be humiliated and even killed immediately upon entering the cell. And this isn't just a fairy tale. I didn't mention soldiers being raped in women's prisons. I did say that establishing illegal, trusting relationships sometimes backfired, and that's no secret either.
              It's clear that times are different now. And much of the nonsense that was around back in the 80s is long gone.
              1. +2
                11 October 2025 17: 27
                Well, then write about what you know personally and specifically.
                We all know today what was written long ago and what results it led to.
                Just recently, one half of the country was furiously exposing, repenting and apologizing to the whole world, while the other half was living and building their country in new conditions.
                For your information: there are special zones for former convicts where law enforcement and security agency employees are kept.
                Now about something very interesting: Internal Troops soldiers only encountered female convicts when escorting them to their places of detention or to court. So, the possibility of confidential intercourse was theoretically possible, but extremely unlikely.
                Therefore, if it is not relevant, it is better not to write fiction and rumors, so as not to look ridiculous.
                1. +2
                  11 October 2025 17: 36
                  By the way, I have never belonged and still do not belong to that “repentant” part of Solzhenitsyn and Rezun’s fans.
                  Yes, there are separate zones for the BS. But specifically for former employees, not for former conscripts.
                  Regarding escorting female contingents, I'll go further and say that, at least by the 80s, Internal Troops soldiers were no longer allowed to escort them. That was handled by the escort police. I actually remember one semi-funny incident involving a friend of mine, when there was some kind of mix-up and their detail was sent to escort women.
                  1. +2
                    11 October 2025 17: 44
                    For informational purposes only:
                    In the 80s, convoying of railway, air, road, and water transport was the exclusive responsibility of the Internal Troops' convoy units, i.e., conscripts under the command of either officers or warrant officers.
                    After the transfer of these functions to the Federal Penitentiary Service, they are currently handled by special escort departments within this structure.
              2. +1
                11 October 2025 19: 12
                Jose (Eugene), sir, It seems you never interacted with inmates in the prisons during the Soviet era, especially the "forest" ones. Firstly, the death penalty existed in the USSR. Killing a former Internal Troops soldier who served as a conscript and couldn't choose his branch of service at the military registration and enlistment office, simply because he was a former soldier of the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, would immediately fall under Article 102 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, which carries a sentence of 8 to 15 years or the death penalty. Received 12 to 15 years for the murder of a former Internal Troops soldier, with the first five years in prison, is a quiet death, for example in Vologda or Vladimir. Don't forget that during the USSR, there were also solitary confinement cells. Putting a former Internal Troops soldier down simply because he served his mandatory military service isn't science fiction. He would have ended up in a pretrial detention center as a juvenile counselor. And I wouldn't have lied about who I served in prison. In the USSR, there were deferments, suspended sentences, penal colonies, and penal settlements. A former soldier had to find a way to get into prison; first-timers were given a general regime, and less commonly, a high-security regime.
                1. -1
                  11 October 2025 23: 11
                  A friend of mine was a career warrant officer in the Internal Troops, a "producer." He started his service as a conscript escort on that same White Swan in Solikamsk in the 80s. He told me a lot of stories. Including that if a former Internal Troops serviceman ended up in a penal colony and even tried to hide his true place of service, the prison administration would turn him over to the kingpins. I have no reason not to believe him. Although, I repeat, this was in the 80s. And Solikamsk was a very special place back then.
                  1. +1
                    12 October 2025 15: 10
                    Jose (Eugene), sir, you're telling the same tales, from your own words, that the warrant officers and officers fed to the conscripts of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. Please, use your own good judgment and don't take these tales at face value. In the USSR, the most important thing for the head of any penal colony—the "Boss"—was the Plan. In many prisons, the industrial complex operated around the clock. Any emergency in the prison meant unnecessary attention to the "Boss" from higher-ups and the prosecutor's office. Penal correction officers, especially those in the forestry department, knew that after completing 20 calendar years of service, they would receive a free apartment in a warm, sunny clime (except for the capitals of the Union republics and the Hero City of Sevastopol), and with this apartment, the plan was met along with their pensions and those in the "northern" penal colonies. The operational unit worked on this, and the operational units were joined by MVD and KGB operatives, police investigators, KGB investigators, and prosecutors. And no "Boss" knew whether the operatives and investigators were digging under him, or perhaps under one of his subordinates, or under a convict—a former Internal Troops conscript who had arrived on the last transport. The bosses in the USSR never left the punishment cell; they knew if anyone interfered with the "Boss," if they organized something, they'd get another prison sentence. And there, for example, in Vologda, where hot-blooded highlanders were re-educated for attempting to disobey the colony administration, in 6-8 months: There are only 2-3 people in a cell, and everyone is the same, the cell duty officer is on schedule, and immediately the thieves' laws are forgotten about cleaning, about complete non-contact with the administration or solitary confinement with reduced rations, no walks, letters, parcels or packages, visits, with problems with heating, cleaning the cell yourself with heavily chlorinated water "to prevent tuberculosis"... A former conscript, in the USSR, for a serious crime committed for the first time, could only end up in a maximum-security zone. What kind of "bosses" does a first-timer have?! And most importantly, why would anyone turn him over to the "bosses"?
            2. 0
              11 October 2025 17: 25
              Sergei Dovlatov would have written his works on this topic with knowledge of the matter, if he himself served there, and as a guard.
              1. +2
                11 October 2025 17: 33
                Sergei Dovlatov...???? Didn't he by any chance serve as a convoy regiment commander, or at least as a guard commander?
                You might as well refer to Comrade Solzhenitsyn...
                By the way, if it’s not a secret, what branch of the military did you serve in?
                1. +2
                  11 October 2025 17: 38
                  I served in the air defense after graduating from college (as a failing officer for two years).
                  1. +2
                    11 October 2025 17: 47
                    Well, that's great. I'm sure you're far more knowledgeable about air defense matters.
                    This is an incredibly relevant topic today, and I definitely take my hat off to the guys who clean our skies of all kinds of carrion every day!
                    1. +2
                      11 October 2025 17: 52
                      And when I served, the air defense (I served in the Army Air Defense) was part of the club of the most unloved branches of the military, along with signalmen, topographers, chemists, and musicians. They considered us useless parasites—they said no one would attack us from the air anymore. And even then, I said, in a few years, you'll see how wrong you are.
                2. +1
                  11 October 2025 17: 41
                  I have already mentioned above my (definitely negative) attitude towards Solzhenitsyn and others like him.
          2. 0
            11 October 2025 17: 17
            The linemen were working, but it’s clear that you can’t keep track of everything.
        3. +2
          11 October 2025 20: 41
          Quote: Jose
          negative attitude towards red epaulettes

          Motorized riflemen had crimson shoulder straps. I personally wore them. Maybe there was a difference after all? We had the letters "SA" on our shoulder straps, while the VVV soldiers had "Vovans" (Voluntary Forces). Red SA shoulder straps were worn by units of motorized rifle regiments. Artillerymen, tank crews, sappers, signalmen, and other branches of the armed forces that were part of this regiment wore red shoulder straps; all other troops wore black ones. Officers had corresponding collar tabs and cap piping. The VVV had crimson shoulder straps with a corresponding inscription.
          1. 0
            11 October 2025 23: 21
            The Internal Troops had crimson ones. But the common people called them "red shoulder straps" or "red-feathered" ones. More accurately, not in common parlance, but in criminal slang.
        4. 0
          19 January 2026 12: 31
          The dress uniforms worn by the Internal Troops and the Motostelki for demobilization differed only in the letters on the red shoulder straps. Some wore the Internal Troops, while others wore the Soviet Army, and the only difference was the 70s and 80s.
          1. 0
            20 January 2026 11: 49
            No, the shoulder straps were different in color. The SA motorized riflemen had scarlet shoulder straps, while the VV had crimson ones.
    3. +1
      14 October 2025 10: 17
      Dzerzhinsky's division wasn't the only operational unit. It was simply the most famous.
      Operational regiments have always existed. In the late 70s, new operational brigades were formed, modeled on the rapid response brigades in the West; they included a sniper company. The Ministry of Defense only introduced such regiments 40 years later. They were designed for rapid deployment.
      In the early 90s there were not enough units, practically everyone went to Chechnya.
      1. +1
        17 October 2025 19: 30
        Name at least one armored reconnaissance battalion in the 70s. As far as I know, the first DON was the DON-100, formed in 1990.
        1. 0
          20 October 2025 09: 44
          OMSDON in Reutov has existed since the 20s, practically unchanged.
          Don-100, DON-54, DON-99, organized in the late 80s, early 90s.
          In the 70s, armored personnel carriers were part of divisions in the national republics of Uzbekistan, the Baltics, the Caucasus, and Kazakhstan.
          The OBRONs I wrote about were finally formed in the 80s. It's difficult to find exact dates because they were usually reformed several times. Some trace the unit's history back to the 20s and 30s, others to the 60s.
  4. +4
    11 October 2025 07: 28
    What about aviation?
    1. +3
      11 October 2025 07: 40
      Quote: sir Galant
      What about aviation?
      ... and the Strategic Missile Forces?
    2. Owl
      +1
      11 October 2025 07: 42
      They took away helicopter pilots and transport workers from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (not all of them, they left a few).
    3. +2
      11 October 2025 15: 46
      It's fine. There are squadrons of VNG-Il-76 transport aircraft. Plus a fair number of helicopters. They've been actively working for many years.
    4. 0
      17 October 2025 19: 32
      The FSVNG has plenty of aircraft. Mostly, they're planes. But there are also transport helicopters and planes.
  5. +6
    11 October 2025 07: 42
    Quote: Jose
    Prigozhin's march would have failed in any case. Not a single military officer—not a single general, not a single officer, not a single soldier—was technically or physically on his side.
    Because all of the characters you listed were just waiting to see how it would all end.
    1. +4
      11 October 2025 08: 08
      Exactly. Moreover, did the rebel himself try to persuade anyone to do this? Maybe he did, or maybe he did, but we don't know. In any case, the local authorities aren't stupid; why would they tell a rebel "NO"? So if he did talk to anyone, I assume the answer he heard was, "Well, go ahead, we'll sit here quietly, wait, and won't interfere with you (and we didn't!!!), and once you get into the Kremlin, we'll be at your service."
      1. +4
        11 October 2025 08: 33
        What's the big deal? He tried to do what Mussolini did in Italy in 1922. Then, the Duce led his Blackshirts from all over Italy on Rome. At first, there were thousands of them, and within a couple of days, tens of thousands. The population welcomed the putschists. The army, police, and the king's guard offered no resistance whatsoever. And ultimately, Mussolini entered Rome and seized power bloodlessly. Prigozhin tried something similar here. He failed.
    2. -1
      11 October 2025 08: 38
      They were already preparing to crush him, and they had the strength to do so. But in the end, they had enough sense not to let things devolve into a senseless massacre, in which thousands of Russians would senselessly kill each other for who knows what reason.
    3. +4
      11 October 2025 08: 38
      "...we were just waiting to see how it would end."
      No, that's not true. Prigozhin first seized the headquarters in Rostov-on-Don and invited the generals commanding the military operations in Ukraine to defect to his side. Perhaps some were already in cahoots with him (remember the dismissal of Surovkin and the criminal case against Popov), but overall, everyone told him to get lost. So he curtailed his March of Justice, which became the March of the Doomed—without the support of the army, the coup failed.
      1. 0
        11 October 2025 09: 43
        Yes, the further from the events, the freer the interpretations.

        Back then it was described, sometimes live on air, in a completely different way.
      2. +3
        11 October 2025 10: 52
        Quote: belost79
        Without the support of the army, the coup failed
        The army's non-participation in this whole matter is its best support.
  6. +1
    11 October 2025 08: 32
    This is 72.
    T-90s with turrets like these were never produced. I'm referring to the ERA placement with the slots. Only the 72s have those.
    1. 0
      11 October 2025 13: 09
      No, it's a typical T-90. Find old articles about this tank. It was originally like this. It's easy to identify by the frontal armor of the hull.
  7. +4
    11 October 2025 09: 36
    And after the tank, we still have to come up with tasks for the OMON and SOBR, taken away from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and therefore cut off from the operational information that they were intended to provide with force support.
    And collect a subscription fee for off-site security of apartments and houses with attics.
    And check the storage of hunting rifles among Siberian hunters.
    This is, in short, what kind of Frankenstein with a strange set of tasks and divisions was created in 16.
    Am I the only one with the impression that this latest “reform” is completely ill-conceived?
    1. +1
      11 October 2025 13: 12
      It's called bureaucracy. If left unchecked, it grows like mold. How many new positions have been created, wow :-)
  8. 0
    11 October 2025 09: 40
    Yes. The Russian National Guard didn't show up at all during the "March of Justice."
    But it seemed like there wasn't any particular danger.
    It all looked like a typical Strelka from the Ministry of Defense. So what does the Russian National Guard have to do with it?
    When Prigozhin realized no one from the General Staff or the Kremlin would talk to him, Putin essentially abandoned him (he was his man, after all; everything, even aircraft, was supplied to him with his permission and state money). He declared him a rebel, and the bombing began—and he immediately shut everything down. (And he didn't even bother with missiles, artillery, or aircraft—he didn't even manage to march, didn't seize the telegraph office or bridges. Tanks? I think they were there at first. Then, no longer.)

    And now the Russian National Guard will show... someone where their place is...
    1. -2
      11 October 2025 21: 57
      What can these rearguards show?)
  9. +1
    11 October 2025 11: 01
    Rosgvadria needs Pantsirs to be deployed to protect oil refineries under contracts with these plants.
  10. +4
    11 October 2025 16: 39
    The idea to transfer tanks and heavy artillery to the Russian National Guard wasn't born out of a good life, but because of a shortage of personnel on the front lines, which they decided to fill with the National Guard.
    The Rosgvardia's mission is to maintain law and order in the rear, combat saboteurs and underground gangs, and protect infrastructure from enemy sabotage and attacks (including drones). They shouldn't be equipped with tanks, but with ATGMs, MANPADS, mobile anti-aircraft groups with ZSU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns mounted on pickup trucks, drones for reconnaissance, drone interceptors, and MRAPs. Mortars up to 120mm and Nona (given the presence of high-precision Kitolov missiles in the ammo pack) are quite sufficient, as are wheeled vehicles such as the NONA-SVK, Floks, Drok, and Gorets.
    In the West, the closest analogues of the Russian National Guard are the gendarmes and carabinieri.
  11. +1
    11 October 2025 18: 17
    Quote: Jose
    In the 1980s, the Internal Troops could be roughly divided into three units. One was the "blue divisions" (special motorized police units), which supported the police and wore police uniforms, although they were staffed by ordinary conscripts. Another was the escort troops, which guarded and escorted prisoners. The third was the security troops, which protected important government facilities and special cargo. There was only one operational unit, designed to suppress mutinies, uprisings, and mass unrest—the Dzerzhinsky Division. In the 1990s, numerous operational units were created, although by the late 1990s, the escort troops had left for the Ministry of Justice, and conscripts were no longer called up there—but a problem arose in Chechnya. The closed nature of the system gave rise to widespread favoritism, and as a result, many command positions in the operational units (which were often used as regular infantry) were long occupied by former escort troops. At the time, they had very little understanding of military affairs. The situation is certainly different now.

    The Russian National Guard replaced Dzerzhinka...
  12. 0
    11 October 2025 21: 04
    Tanks are absolutely essential! How can you maintain constitutional order without them? You never know, the State Duma might start acting up... fire two or three dozen high-explosive anti-tank rockets at point-blank range, like they did back then, at the Supreme Council, and—take them out, ready to go.
    1. 0
      11 October 2025 23: 37
      At that time, by the way, the tanks were army tanks from the now infamous Kantemirovskaya division, and not from the Internal Troops.
  13. -2
    11 October 2025 21: 55
    Rosgvardia in the North-Eastern Military District? That's at least 60 km from the LBS, and they behaved like that in 2022. Now they're hiding under drones 160 km away, and the heavy equipment they've been given is a weakening of the army.
  14. 0
    12 October 2025 00: 17
    Quote: Jose
    At that time, by the way, the tanks were army tanks from the now infamous Kantemirovskaya division, and not from the Internal Troops.

    As if I didn't know! Of course I read it...
    https://mozgokratia.ru/2020/04/kak-eto-bylo-tanki-strelyayut-po-parlamentu/
  15. +1
    13 October 2025 09: 53
    Honestly, it's a bit surreal. Our army conducts special operations, while the Russian National Guard fights.
    What a strange castling!
  16. +1
    14 October 2025 10: 24
    The Internal Troops had everything they needed after the war in Chechnya began. When Kulikov took over as commander of the Internal Troops, he pushed through a tank regiment, helicopters, and artillery. In the early 2000s, they began cutting everything, but they kept an artillery regiment in Chechnya for fire support.
    Since the start of the Second Military Operation, the National Guard has participated in all events. It has proven its worth. In the fall of 2022, National Guard troops defended Krasny Liman and did not retreat without orders. National Guard special forces participated in the landing in Gostomel, and many other places.
    Of course, in the new conditions, they need new weapons. In St. Petersburg, the military institute was transformed into an artillery academy, and now they will train specialists themselves.
  17. +1
    18 October 2025 21: 08
    The most logical thing would be not to arm the RG with heavy armored vehicles, but to transfer 50% of the RG personnel to the army to replenish existing units and form new ones.
    Tankers and artillerymen should be in the army, and the RG should perform police functions
    ensuring law and order and safety of citizens.