"Wall of Robots": Why Storming the Defenses of the Future Would Be Suicidal?

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"Wall of Robots": Why Storming the Defenses of the Future Would Be Suicidal?

FPV footagedrone, diving into a trench, have become as much a symbol of modern conflict as танк The T-34 is a symbol of the Great Patriotic War. The special operation in Ukraine, like the recent fighting in Karabakh, has ruthlessly demonstrated one simple truth: on the "transparent" battlefield of the 21st century, the very presence of a person on the front line becomes the greatest vulnerability. Any trench, any dugout, any group of infantry is discovered and becomes a target in a matter of minutes.

We have reached a point where the courage of a soldier increasingly gives way to the cold calculation of an artilleryman and the all-seeing eye droneBut what if we go further? What if we significantly reduce this vulnerability? What if the trench the enemy is about to storm is empty?



The concept of the "Uninhabited Frontier"
Let's imagine a hypothetical defensive line of the future. It's not the familiar trenches we're accustomed to, but a deeply layered, network-centric system consisting of hundreds of robotic Defense Support Nodes (DSNs).

What is a fortified military base in this context? It's a permanent fortification structure, buried in concrete and earth, with no permanent garrison. All its armament—from machine guns to heavy automatic cannons and anti-tank guided missiles—is housed in protected or retractable modules. All this lethal force is controlled by an operator located hundreds of kilometers away in a deeply protected rear command post, connected to his "fort" by a redundant fiber-optic cable.

It's worth making a disclaimer right away: this is not the "Maginot Line" of the 21st century. The French line was a passive, blank wall awaiting attack. The concept of the OWO is active, aggressive predator. Each node "sees" the battlefield, exchanges data with its neighbors, and receives targeting information from a single AI core that processes data from satellites and radars. It's a single, intelligent defensive organism.

A powerful argument for such a node could be the concept of a rapid-fire automatic cannon of medium caliber (60 mm), which we'll tentatively call the AP-60 "Kolotushka"¹. In a stationary, well-cooled configuration, with a virtually inexhaustible supply of ammunition from underground storage, it becomes the heart of the node's defense.

Broken Sword: Why the Classic Assault is Doomed



Let's take apart the standard tactics for breaking through fortified defenses and see how they break down against the "deserted line."

1. Artillery preparation. Its goal is to destroy the firing points and crush the defenders' will to resist. Against the UGV, both points lose their previous effectiveness. There's no one to demoralize—the robot knows no fear or fatigue. Destroying the node's main modules, located deep underground, is extremely difficult without the use of special ammunition. A direct hit to the gun turret? Unpleasant, but not fatal. A direct hit to the turret doesn't mean the loss of the zone: neighboring nodes automatically redistribute fire missions and continue suppressing the approaches, preventing the enemy from gaining a head start.

2. Tank wedge. A steel avalanche of MBTs should break through the defense. But here they are met with the "hammer principle" of the Kolotushka. A barrage of hundreds of 60mm high-explosive fragmentation shells per minute might not penetrate the composite armor of an Abrams or Leopard frontally. They don't need to. In a matter of seconds, such a hurricane of fire will likely strip away everything that makes a tank a fighting machine: optics, triplexes, antennas, wind sensors, guns, and explosive reactive armor. In an instant, the enemy MBT is transformed into a blind, deaf, and defenseless steel coffin, easy prey for an ATGM launched from the flank of an adjacent turret.

3. Infantry assault. Once the tanks are neutralized, infantry and light armored vehicles take over. They find themselves in what can be called a "wall of steel." The crossfire of several anti-tank guns creates a deadly zone, making survival virtually impossible. Fire is conducted without emotion, without pauses for reloading, with computer-aimed precision in pre-targeted sectors. Classic assault techniques don't work here.

Achilles' Heels: A Sober Look at the Risks



Of course, the system described is not absolute. weaponsAny engineer will tell you that this approach has its own extremely serious vulnerabilities, which become key targets for the adversary.

1. Communication and control channels. The secure fiber optic cable running to each OSU becomes its "lifeline." These communications will become the number one target for enemy sabotage groups and assets. EW and specialized weapons. In such a war, communication becomes no less important than tank armor.

2. Energy supply. Every node is a voracious energy consumer. The ability to "turn off the lights," that is, destroy the power source, can blind and disarm an entire defense sector. This requires the creation of ultra-reliable, deeply protected, and redundant power supplies.

3. Logistics and repairs. Even robots require maintenance. Who, and more importantly, how, will replenish ammunition and repair damaged modules in the heat of battle? This issue requires the creation of an entire ecosystem of robotic repair crews and transport platforms capable of operating under fire.

Conclusion


The creation of a layered robotic defense is not science fiction, but a logical and, apparently, inevitable next step in the evolution of military art. A system in which humans act as the "brains" in the deep rear, and a network of deadly machines acts as the "body" on the front lines, fundamentally alters the entire mathematics of war.

The primary goal of such a system isn't simply to win a battle. It's to render the very idea of ​​a full-scale conventional invasion unprofitable and futile. It's to force any potential aggressor to look at their casualty calculations and quietly shelve their plans. In subsequent articles, we'll examine how such a defensive doctrine changes not only the tactics but also the very strategy of geopolitical deterrence.

The only question is whether modern military art is ready to accept a new reality, where the outcome of a battle will be decided not by the courage of a soldier in a trench, but by the bandwidth of a fiber optic cable and the reliability of a server rack in an underground bunker?

¹ Author's note: Of course, creating a 60mm artillery system with the required characteristics is a complex R&D project. However, during the initial phase of the OUO deployment, existing and upgraded systems, such as the AK-630M-2 Duet naval system, adapted for fixed installation, can be used as the primary firearm. This will allow pilot defense zones to be deployed quickly while the advanced weapon is being developed.

[i]The author emphasizes that this material represents only conceptual reflection, and not a finished engineering project, and invites the expert and reader community to a constructive discussion about the future of defensive systems.
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  1. +1
    4 October 2025 04: 31
    Soon enough, they will find ways to clear the skies of drones.
    1. -1
      5 October 2025 19: 52
      Soon enough, they will find ways to clear the skies of drones.
      We've been waiting for years. Now the authors and commentators have quieted down, claiming that EMP bombs are about to unravel and destroy all drones and electronics. But so far, there's been no word of any use.
      1. -2
        6 October 2025 00: 21
        Well, in the event of a major breakthrough, we need to lure out the enemy drones, and then use low-yield nuclear bombs detonated in enemy territory to clear the area, and the drones themselves will fall due to electronic failures caused by the EMP from the drones and control centers. At this point, we need to move troops to the breakthrough line without hesitation.
        1. -1
          6 October 2025 00: 42
          How are you planning to lure out enemy drones? With horse lava?
          2 If you decide to detonate a low-power nuclear charge, are you sure that you won’t be hit by a similar charge, but more powerful?
          3. The primary damaging element of a nuclear charge is the blast wave, followed by penetrating radiation. Your beloved EMP isn't the most powerful of these factors.
          4 Unlike penetrating radiation, simple shielding is quite effective against EMP. Aluminum foil can be quite effective.
          5. The area where you detonate your low-yield charge will be unfavorable for people for some time, and it's best not to deploy troops there. Perhaps only NBC protection. But how much war will you achieve with NBC protection forces?
          Just for reference: Americans used to allow tourists to pay to watch underground nuclear weapons tests near Las Vegas. And sometimes they detonated high-yield charges there. However, neither the tourists nor the people in Las Vegas experienced any problems with the electronics.
  2. +2
    4 October 2025 05: 34
    Quote: Anglorussian
    Soon enough, they will find ways to clear the skies of drones.

    An optimistic statement.
    And then, soon enough, countermeasures will be found against those who are going to clear the skies of drones... it's an endless war of sword and shield. what
    As for the author's article... the concept of what he outlined was already described long ago by our science fiction writers back in the USSR... exactly the same... I didn't think that it could become a reality in my lifetime... time flies.
    Yes...the advances in technology and science today make it possible to create such a zone of total death. But I think our generals and our General Staff aren't ready for this yet...we need to restructure our thinking...and it's lagging, as always, behind the explosive growth of scientific and technological progress.
    This has already happened in history when the first machine guns and tanks appeared... and generals launched cavalry lavas and closed ranks of mother infantry into an attack on them.
    We'll see how well we train the generals...both ours and NATO's.
    1. +1
      4 October 2025 12: 40
      >> endless war of sword and shield

      All things being equal, the sword is always stronger. This applies to both real medieval swords and modern metaphorical ones. Everything depends on the attackers' ability to concentrate their forces and develop their offensive in the event of a successful breakthrough. If this is possible, a passive defense is doomed.
      1. -1
        4 October 2025 23: 29
        Quote: Evil Eye
        >> endless war of sword and shield

        All things being equal, the sword is always stronger. This applies to both real medieval swords and modern metaphorical ones. Everything depends on the attackers' ability to concentrate their forces and develop their offensive in the event of a successful breakthrough. If this is possible, a passive defense is doomed.

        All these walls of drones sound very good, BUT there is one very big BUT. What about EMI???
        I.E., AN ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE. It doesn't matter whether it's generated by a nuclear charge or a special EMP charge. Then all the drones in Ukraine, whether those of the Ukrainian Armed Forces or the Russian Army, will suddenly become useless junk. Of course, you can shield them or install ultra-fast Zener diodes on all cables and antennas, but that still doesn't guarantee the ICs will survive. And all drones on LBS essentially have no protection against EMP. If the Russian Army, i.e., the Russian military-industrial complex, can develop charges that generate a sufficiently powerful EMP, it will make it possible to easily land ALL Ukrainian drones in a specific area and burn out all StarLink terminals. What this could mean for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is not for me to explain. hi And in the event of a high-intensity conflict with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, it will be unlikely that drones could be used except for long-range reconnaissance (like the Reapers used from a long distance). hi
        1. 0
          5 October 2025 20: 08
          THAT IS, AN ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE. It doesn't matter whether it's generated by a nuclear charge or a special charge for EMP.
          I waited for him!!! I thought there were no more geniuses left. hi

          The Russian military-industrial complex will be able to develop charges that generate a sufficiently powerful electromagnetic pulse
          There's the good old Sakharov design; it's not particularly complicated. You can rig it up in a garage. There's a more complex design (almost as difficult to detonate as a nuclear weapon) based on a single crystal of cesium iodide. But there are the laws of physics. Fundamental laws of physics that don't care about commentary, political systems, or other whims. So, these same laws of physics, invariant even to human passions, declare that the energy of a wave with a spherical front attenuates inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. For those who skipped math and don't care about physics, here's a translation: 100 meters from the epicenter of the detonation of this EMP charge, its initial energy will drop ten thousandfold. A kilometer from the epicenter, only one millionth of the original energy will remain. Therefore, to profit from detonating an EMP charge, it must be detonated as close to the electronics as possible. And this charge must be comparable in price to the target being detonated. That's all! Learn physics, love math (not math teacher). It's easier to fight drones with good old kinetics. Or switch to EMP sources with a flat wavefront. But these things will need to be aimed precisely at the source of the problem.
          1. -1
            5 October 2025 20: 14
            Quote from barbos
            THAT IS, AN ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE. It doesn't matter whether it's generated by a nuclear charge or a special charge for EMP.
            I waited for him!!! I thought there were no more geniuses left. hi

            The Russian military-industrial complex will be able to develop charges that generate a sufficiently powerful electromagnetic pulse
            There's the good old Sakharov design; it's not particularly complicated. You can rig it up in a garage. There's a more complex design (almost as difficult to detonate as a nuclear weapon) based on a single crystal of cesium iodide. But there are the laws of physics. Fundamental laws of physics that don't care about commentary, political systems, or other whims. So, these same laws of physics, invariant even to human passions, declare that the energy of a wave with a spherical front attenuates inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. For those who skipped math and don't care about physics, here's a translation: 100 meters from the epicenter of the detonation of this EMP charge, its initial energy will drop ten thousandfold. A kilometer from the epicenter, only one millionth of the original energy will remain. Therefore, to profit from detonating an EMP charge, it must be detonated as close to the electronics as possible. And this charge must be comparable in price to the target being detonated. That's all! Learn physics, love math (not math teacher). It's easier to fight drones with good old kinetics. Or switch to EMP sources with a flat wavefront. But these things will need to be aimed precisely at the source of the problem.

            Thank you. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of knowledge in physics. It's not my field.
          2. 0
            6 October 2025 00: 37
            Quote from barbos
            attenuates inversely as the square of the distance from the source

            Moreover, the same heartless physics says that the received signal strength is inversely proportional to the fourth power of the distance. But this doesn't deter engineers from creating and using radars.

            Quote from barbos
            At a hundred meters from the epicenter of the explosion of this charge with EMP, its initial energy will drop ten thousand times

            Modern transistors in microelectronics are controlled by voltage, and that voltage is very small. So the very large drop in pulse power is partly offset by the electronics' extreme sensitivity. Of course, there are ways to protect equipment from such barbaric interference, and we need to evaluate how expensive it would be to create an EMP and how easy it would be to protect equipment from it. But I still didn't reduce everything to the square root.

            Quote from barbos
            It's easier to fight drones with good old kinetics.

            Lasers can also be used well in the rear or on ships.
            1. -1
              6 October 2025 01: 07
              But this does not frighten engineers from creating and using radars.

              1 How is signal reception by a radar low-noise amplifier related to the laws of energy attenuation?
              2. Is the radar antenna (remember the reflector and deflector) directional, or more precisely, narrowly focused? Or is it omnidirectional like a rod?

              Modern transistors in microelectronics are controlled by voltage, and it is very small.

              They're actually controlled by currents)) Ever since the days of ECL logic. When CMOS crossed the gigahertz mark, they were controlled by currents. That's why microelectronics consume power and generate heat.

              Of course, there are ways to protect equipment from such barbaric interference.
              The simplest and cheapest solution is redundancy. A processor, controller, and camera are inexpensive with today's mass production. Just install a few onboard, configure the consensus mechanism, and blast away with expensive EMP charges based on single-crystal strontium iodide. Shielding with aluminum foil is also effective and quite inexpensive.

              Lasers can also be used well in the rear or on ships.

              These quantum generators are a real pain in the ass. They seem to have working prototypes, but they're still not working. It would really be easier to just put a lead barrel of Co60 on the targeting platform, with a small window that opens briefly during targeting. Then it would really fry all the electronics. It would shine right through.
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                6 October 2025 17: 02
                Quote from barbos
                How does signal reception by a radar low-noise amplifier relate to the laws of energy attenuation?

                It's also related to the specifics of using EMP generators to disable UAVs. I don't understand why this had to be written without considering the context of the generation issues, protection measures, and the sensitivity of modern technology to them.

                Quote from barbos
                They're actually controlled by currents)) Ever since the days of ECL logic. When CMOS crossed the gigahertz mark, they were controlled by currents. That's why microelectronics consume power and generate heat.

                ECL is built on bipolar transistors, which are controlled by applying current to the base. CMOS logic, on the other hand, is built on field-effect transistors, where control is based on regulating the gate voltage.

                Quote from barbos
                The simplest and cheapest solution is redundancy. A processor, controller, and camera are inexpensive with today's mass production. Just install a few onboard, set up a consensus mechanism, and blast away with expensive EMP charges based on a single crystal of strontium iodide.

                Redundancy can help with isolated impacts of charged particles on microcircuits or failure of individual components. However, it won't protect against EMI unless protection has been implemented at the circuit level and/or the microcircuits are shielded by the housing. Without this, even 100x redundancy will burn out everything at once. This is especially true considering how much more delicate and capricious field-effect transistors are than bipolar transistors.

                Quote from barbos
                These quantum generators are a real pain in the ass. There seem to be working prototypes, but nothing's working.

                I wouldn't say things are so bad with them. A lot of work has been done, and many companies have exhibited their prototypes. Especially now that compact and efficient fiber lasers have emerged. If only their power could be increased to megawatts... the road is clear.

                Quote from barbos
                It's actually easier to place a lead barrel of Co60 on the targeting platform, with a small window that opens briefly when the weapon is aimed. Then it will really fry all the electronics. It'll shine right through.

                This is already the stuff of science fiction. Both in terms of isotope production and operation—constant cooling, crew exposure, and the impossibility of maintenance. Catastrophic consequences in the event of a container failure, etc. We also need to determine how transparent the atmosphere is to gamma rays of those energies.
                1. 0
                  11 October 2025 23: 45
                  I don’t understand why it was necessary to write this out of context of the problems of generation, means of protection, and the sensitivity of modern technology to it.
                  Let's take a look at how the radar works.
                  Typically, this is a special oscillator tube (magnetron, klystron, traveling-wave tube, backward-wave tube), pumping energy into a waveguide in pulsed mode. A wave of type E or H (there are also indexes indicating the number of half-waves of a given type) travels along the waveguide. This electromagnetic energy flow reaches a double U-shaped divider, which, due to the specific operation of the pumping EME, can only send it into the air, but cannot send it to the input of the radar's low-noise amplifier. So, it's designed and configured so that it passes a strong signal into the air, but does not interfere with the reception of a weak reflected signal. Furthermore, the LNA input is always protected by special spark gaps and a protective pair of clamping diodes (I forgot their correct name). Therefore, the radar example cannot be considered representative. There, protection is built into the design. Moreover, it is not automatic, but parametric.

                  And CMOS logic is built on field-effect transistors, where control is based on regulating the gate voltage.
                  What about at frequencies above 1 GHz, especially given the miniature gate insulator layer in modern ICs? There, the complementary pair has long operated in AA mode (amplification, not discrete switching as in D mode). Plus, silicon has its own unique characteristics of charge carriers. And the output is current control. But you can always be unsure and find relevant literature on the operation of complementary pairs in modern ICs.

                  Redundancy can help with isolated impacts of charged particles on microcircuits or failure of some elements.
                  You can familiarize yourself with the implementations used in aviation. All electrical and electronic equipment there must withstand lightning strikes. For context, the average lightning discharge energy is around 1 GJ. Moreover, most aircraft are much more complex than drones. Therefore, adapting these developments won't be difficult or expensive.

                  If only their capacity could be increased to MW... the road is mastered by the one who walks it.
                  Laser machines easily reach gigawatts and terawatts, albeit with flash durations of fractions of a nanosecond. It just requires energy.

                  This is already the stuff of science fiction. Both in terms of isotope production and operation—constant cooling, crew exposure, and the impossibility of maintenance. Catastrophic consequences in the event of a container failure, etc. We also need to determine how transparent the atmosphere is to gamma rays of those energies.
                  This isn't science fiction, but an old scheme proposed by A.D. Sakharov, who proposed assembling several inconspicuous cargo ships off the coast of the United States, each with a hull made of steel with a high cobalt content. At the right time, a neutron source would be extracted, transforming ordinary Co59 into the terrifying Co60.
                  In fact, Co60 itself is often used in the United States to disinfect food products and sterilize medical supplies (there are many videos about this online). For some time now, there have been attempts to introduce this practice here, too; there have even been TV reports. They promise that products sterilized with radiation (the source of that very same Co60) will bear a corresponding symbol. You can also search for this information.
                  The isotope rods themselves aren't cooled, but rather kept in a special pool where the dangerous radiation (the water has a characteristic bluish glow) is dampened. All of this is controlled automatically (by civilians), without any crew.
                  The atmosphere's transparency to gamma radiation can be judged by how well Norway's radiation monitoring stations performed during the failed Burevestnik test in the White Sea.
                  1. 0
                    14 October 2025 15: 13
                    Quote from barbos
                    Therefore, the radar example cannot be considered representative. There, protection is built into the design.

                    The initial question wasn't about the radar design, but about the inference to the inverse-square law when citing the ineffectiveness of EMP weapons against UAVs. It's unclear why it was necessary to use so many abstruse words instead of simply stating that protecting UAVs from EMP is much cheaper than the installation needed to generate it.

                    Quote from barbos
                    And what about at frequencies above 1 GHz, especially given the miniaturization of the gate insulating layer in modern microcircuits? There, the complementary pair has long operated in AA mode (amplification, not discrete switching as in D mode).

                    The most you can attach to amplifiers are the so-called PHYs—the output stages of interfaces—since they operate at high speeds under heavy loads and are designed by analog circuit designers and topologists. And even then, they operate in AB mode, if we're going to draw an analogy with audio frequency amplifiers. The reference to a Class D amplifier (which, by the way, operates by modulating the carrier frequency) and the AA amplifier circuit type is unclear.

                    Quote from barbos
                    Laser machines easily reach gigawatts and terawatts, albeit with flash durations of fractions of a nanosecond. It just requires energy.

                    Anti-UAV lasers use continuous-wave rather than pulsed laser operation. However, achieving megawatt-level power in a reasonable size and weight is still a challenge for the former.

                    Quote from barbos
                    This is not science fiction, but an old scheme proposed by A.D. Sakharov,

                    But the source of neurons was a thermonuclear charge - this is a disposable source that is indispensable for multiple use.

                    Quote from barbos
                    In fact, Co60 itself is often used in the United States to disinfect food products and sterilize medical supplies (there are many videos about this online). For some time now, there have been attempts to introduce this practice here, too; there have even been TV reports. They promise that products sterilized with radiation (the source of that very same Co60) will bear a corresponding symbol. You can also search for this information.

                    Gamma-ray sterilization is a mature concept, but the source power is low and the equipment is significant. Moreover, due to the small amount of isotope, the assembly itself, which contains it, heats up very little. However, if the isotope mass were to reach tens of kilograms, the heat generation would be significant and cooling equipment would be required.

                    Quote from barbos
                    The isotope rods themselves aren't cooled, but rather kept in a special pool where the dangerous radiation (the water has a characteristic bluish glow) is dampened. All of this is controlled automatically (by civilians), without any crew.

                    To create a device (I'll call it a gamma laser) with sufficient power, a large amount of cobalt isotope, a large volume and mass of biological shielding, and appropriate X-ray optics are needed. You can see the efficiency of such optics using the example of an EUV photolithograph. Therefore, this idea is not feasible.

                    Quote from barbos
                    The atmosphere's transparency to gamma radiation can be judged by how well Norway's radiation monitoring stations performed during the failed Burevestnik test in the White Sea.

                    What was detected there wasn't gamma radiation, but rather nuclear fuel decay products, most likely the isotope iodine 131. So this has nothing to do with the atmosphere's transparency to gamma rays. A quick Google search reveals that our atmosphere isn't transparent to gamma radiation with an energy of approximately 1,2 MeV.
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                      18 October 2025 23: 36
                      It's not clear why it was necessary to write so many abstruse words, instead of writing that protecting UAVs from EMP is much cheaper than installing one.
                      What's wrong with detailed answers? We were taught to give detailed answers from school until the Unified State Exam came along.

                      And even then they operate in AB mode, if we draw an analogy with audio frequency amplifiers.
                      I appreciate your preparation and the fact that you're questioning things. That's a good and encouraging sign. As I understand it, you're basing your research on the state of the art in domestic microelectronics. If you search for "CMOS operating mode in modern core GPUs" or "CMOS operating mode in high-frequency CPUs," you'll probably find something interesting like this.
                      https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2011/EECS-2011-123.pdf

                      And yet, achieving MW capacity in reasonable dimensions and weight is not yet possible for the first ones.
                      That's what we're talking about, just in different words.

                      Sterilization with gamma rays is a very mature idea, but the power of the source is low.
                      This idea has its own, less obvious, downsides. But commercial companies in the States don't care, so they've been using it for a long time. The power is powerful enough to completely destroy any living thing within a 20-25-minute exposure.

                      But the source of neurons was a thermonuclear charge - this is a one-time source
                      At the time of A.D. Sakharov's work, radiochemistry was only just developing, and many of the currently available high-density radioisotope neutron sources (PuBe, AmBe, AmLi) were very rare at that time, if they even existed at all.

                      A large amount of cobalt isotope, large volume and mass of biological protection and appropriate X-ray optics are needed
                      Cobalt isn't necessary; there are isotopes with tens of times more gamma activity. I won't even try to argue about the massiveness of biological defense. And I completely agree about the optics. Only we weren't talking about a laser, but about a radiation source that would definitely disrupt any electronics within a certain distance. I completely agree that it looks fantastical and extremely dangerous, but heating with a directed microwave beam is also not without its risks.

                      What was detected there was not gamma radiation, but rather the decay products of nuclear fuel, most likely the isotope iodine 131
                      They seemed to have reacted to the ruthenium. But there are radiation monitoring posts that respond to radiation.

                      Our atmosphere is not transparent to gamma radiation with an energy of approximately 1,2 MeV
                      1 MeV is a relatively good energy value.
        2. +1
          7 October 2025 16: 45
          Quote: nedgen
          What about EMI???
          THAT IS, AN ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE. It doesn't matter whether it's generated by a nuclear charge or a special charge for EMP.


          Those who believe in EMI - the text of one of today's comments from another article.

          Mishka78
          (Michael)
          +1
          Today, 10: 04
          Yes, until February 2022, and for some time after that, there was an absolute glut of yuk-yuk-yuk and other self-righteous commentators. As were the authors, by the way. I still laugh out loud when I recall an article by a popular blogger about our amazing electronic warfare.
          When the Russian army appears at the front of the APU, it will be easy to understand.

          The first sign is the failure of all means of communication, the complete discharge of batteries in cars, tanks and other equipment, at the same time the discharge of batteries in mobile phones, in sights, in radio stations. Then there is a rupture of electrical circuits in all equipment - any. This is EMP. All engines stall, there is no way to start. This is how the Khingan system works, with a radius of 20 km.

          The second is a complete failure of all systems using liquid crystal displays, the failure of all targeting devices in the air defense system—the radars are dead. The Altair system is operational.

          Third - failures when trying to use any types of guided weapons - from MANPADS to ATGM .. When trying to use the shells self-destruct immediately ... This is the "Mercury" system - based on MTLB, such an antenna is high. Now the Russians have it in every battalion. Works on a 15 km radius.

          Fourth - it is impossible to use drones without a pilot. They either fall, with the failure of navigation and the engine, or they sit down in the disposition of the Russians. The system "Krasuha-4" disables the onboard equipment of aircraft and any other aircraft. The system "Avtobaza" carries out the interception of the control of the case of firefighters. The Russians gave it to the Iranians, and they snagged the United States Kandahar beast, the most secret attack plane.

          The fifth sign will have time to see and understand not only everything. This is the phenomenal accuracy of the artillery fire, which is carried out with inaccessible distance for the Ukrainian artillery. The artillery reconnaissance and guidance stations of the Russian army work through satellites and their drones. The Russians upgraded the shells, they are now with the homing system, they are longer and carry more explosives.
          Ukraine has no satellites. Only two communications satellites. From American satellites operational adjustment of fire ukroartillery impossible.

          And there were many such articles. And on central TV, we were told that there would be an attack on Ukraine at 8 a.m., the capture of Kyiv at 14.00 p.m., according to the schedule, and the acceptance of the surrender by 19.00 p.m. (Skabeeva, I have the video on my phone).
          And that's how it all turned out. Three years and seven months of solid successes and epic victories over the ridiculous and fleeing Ukrainian army.
          True, amidst a string of successes in the battles for huts and barns, the economy has been squandered, the blows to our deep rear are growing and becoming ever more painful, civilians are dying daily, there is an overabundance of migrants and crime, and the backbone of any state is woefully understaffed – police, doctors, teachers, and civil servants.
          In the not-so-distant future, Tomahawks will be flying at us, and the Geostrategist-Grandmaster will be slapping his lips at the next forums about how these missiles don't affect the overall balance of power on the fronts, and we can easily fire them, just like we did before.

          https://topwar.ru/271926-chto-by-otvetili-na-udary-po-neftepererabatyvajuschim-zavodam-chusosnabarm-i-chekvalap.html
  3. +1
    4 October 2025 06: 06
    Preparations for military action begin long before the actual action. And the fact that Yerevan didn't know about Baku's drone presence isn't Yerevan's fault, but rather simple negligence. Because only a human, not a drone, can enter the holy of holies. Drone types will proliferate. Land-based drones will appear (naval drones already exist). Warfare is changing, but the rules of war have not been abolished. And above all, the destruction of the enemy on the ground.
  4. 0
    4 October 2025 06: 07
    The creation of a layered robotic defense is not science fiction, but a logical and, apparently, inevitable next step in the evolution of military art.

    Improvements in high-altitude nuclear explosion technology and the development and use of electromagnetic (microwave) weapons could render all electronic devices useless...
    And developments in the field of once-forgotten neutron weapons could change the very strategy of wars, when it will be necessary to wait a couple of decades to seize territory...
    The user emphasizes that this material is only a conceptual reflection and not a finished engineering project.
    And he points out to the author that he incorrectly placed [/i] at the end of the highlighted text...
    1. -1
      5 October 2025 20: 40
      Improvements in high-altitude nuclear explosion technology and the development and use of electromagnetic (microwave) weapons could render all electronic devices useless...
      The truants of physics and those who have never seen the huge microwave installations for testing electromagnetic compatibility (a microwave the size of a small workshop) do not let us get bored.
      There's a proven solution, protective shielding, that's been around for over fifty years, and there are good old vacuum tubes (which are considered electronic devices) that don't care about ionizing particles. Railroads still use relay automation, specifically designed to withstand nuclear explosions. The designers of the systems described here will likely be well-versed in the exact and fundamental sciences and will consider potential damaging factors in advance.

      And developments in the field of once-forgotten neutron weapons could change the very strategy of wars, when it will be necessary to wait a couple of decades to seize territory...
      After the compulsory program, the free program began. laughing
      Why develop this neutron weapon? What kind of Soviet-era children's legends are these? A few grams of short-lived isotopes of Curium, Amercium, and Californium can emit neutrons no worse than a nuclear power plant's industrial reactor.
      2 The neutrons themselves do not pose a great danger, unlike the isotopes that are formed during interaction with them and which can already be sources of hard gamma radiation
      Why bother with neutron sources when there are time-tested hard gamma sources? A few pounds of Co60 (Sakharov's idea) and etheric purity is guaranteed.
      But who's going to wait a couple of decades? Can you imagine the scope of decontamination work? Ask the cleanup crews.
      1. -1
        6 October 2025 06: 47
        Quote from barbos
        But who's going to wait a couple of decades? Can you imagine the scope of decontamination work? Ask the cleanup crews.

        You've just demonstrated your superior knowledge and now you're asking me to ask? I personally knew the Chernobyl disaster cleanup workers...
        I'm only interested in one thing: where do all these know-it-alls come from, who know how it will be and what will happen... If a global mess breaks out, there won't be time for a wall of drones - an underground bunker and other shelters will save...
        1. 0
          11 October 2025 23: 50
          You've just demonstrated your superior knowledge and now you're asking me to ask? I personally knew the Chernobyl disaster cleanup workers...
          I have a neighbor.

          If a global chaos breaks out, there won't be time for a wall of drones – an underground bunker and other shelters will save them...
          When the radiation subsides and they emerge from their bunkers, what then? You think no one will dare launch a drone? They'll start right away.
          1. 0
            12 October 2025 06: 24
            Quote from barbos
            Yes, the first thing they will start with...

            Yeah ... wassat They will start looking for food and water...
            1. 0
              12 October 2025 23: 00
              They will start looking for food and water...
              And with the help of drones!
  5. +1
    4 October 2025 07: 18
    I imagine the movie "Dune", where at first robotic guns shoot in all directions, and then...for some reason everyone fights with swords.

    Yes, to implement something like this, you need a lot of money, say, a 40% VAT, and also a lot of technology and a lot of people who can do it manually: solder, drill, rivet...
    1. +1
      4 October 2025 23: 03
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I imagine the movie "Dune", where at first robotic guns shoot in all directions, and then...for some reason everyone fights with swords.
      There, force fields stopped everything that moved quickly (shells, bullets, shrapnel, I don’t remember about the shock wave).
  6. +3
    4 October 2025 08: 19
    The author's strange fantasy. So, in the future, there will be UUOs, but drones, like the initial shock wave before artillery preparation, won't be? And there won't be any air force, will the UMPK bombs be abolished? And no one will think of using concrete-piercing bombs to destroy those very same underground ammunition storage facilities? And so on...
  7. -1
    4 October 2025 08: 52
    The idea of ​​infinite ammunition is questionable. Ammunition is being allocated to conventional weapons, drop by drop, while the author has his own underground shell factory, ready to fire as much as he wants. And there are plenty of other downsides. And all of this requires maintenance.
  8. BAI
    +2
    4 October 2025 08: 56
    Wars aren't won on the defensive. How will this system attack?
    And what will happen if similar means of controlling another AI attack against it?

    A direct hit to a turret does not mean the loss of a zone: neighboring nodes automatically redistribute fire missions and continue suppressing approaches, not giving the enemy a head start.

    What if there is no one left to whom to hand over the task?
  9. +3
    4 October 2025 09: 16
    Quote: BAI
    Wars are not won on defense.

    They're winning. You've confused Churchill's famous saying: "Wars aren't won by evacuations." wink
  10. -1
    4 October 2025 09: 24
    You can't turn a typewriter into a printer. It would be a house of iron and wires. It's impossible to turn an AKM into a remote-controlled weapon without changing the approach—that's a fact.
    1. -2
      4 October 2025 09: 29
      Three years ago or more, I outlined the concept and requirements for a remote control shooting module in the article "Digitalized Rifle" (burn it on this site).
  11. 0
    4 October 2025 09: 32
    Imagine, the bourgeoisie built a wall of OUO, spending hundreds of billions of green rubles. The Chinese army is moving towards this wall, which has something similar to the Hurricane-3000 microwave installation (and there are several other options). What a bitter bewilderment the OUO operators will be when suddenly all systems related to electricity, electromagnets (electronics, electric motors) suddenly stop working, and short- and long-range drones happily fall to the ground, and even Faraday cages do not help them. And some Chinese poet will write a poem in the "People's Daily" "There is a clear answer to all conversations - we have microwave, and you do not." We, alas, have nothing like this (as well as the money "spent" back in the early 2000s on the "Ranetz-E"). Therefore, Chinese tanks, self-propelled guns and other equipment do not wear the "decorations" accepted in our LBS in the form of "barbecues", "dreadlocks" and etc. Why do they need them?
    1. +2
      4 October 2025 11: 54
      [/quote][quote]The Hurricane 3000 has an effective range of 3 kilometers—10,000 times greater than a microwave oven. It can instantly fry electronic components and control units of drones.

      3 km, Karl, i.e., Yuri. This miracle of such dimensions won't be able to get even 20 km closer to the LBS. Because it will catch a dumb 152mm shell in its antenna.
    2. -1
      4 October 2025 13: 11
      Possibly rear or ship-based, like this laserBeijing Military Parade: New LY-1 Naval Laser System
      Described as the "world's most powerful" laser for shooting down drones and missiles.
  12. -4
    4 October 2025 10: 17
    The primary goal of such a system is not simply to win a battle. Its purpose is to render the very idea of ​​a full-scale conventional invasion unprofitable and futile.

    This has already happened. With the development of drones, any conventional invasion is now unprofitable and futile.
    1. 0
      4 October 2025 12: 41
      Before the Second World War they thought the same, and then the tank wedges came.
      1. +1
        4 October 2025 13: 11
        You're out of the loop. Before WWII, tank units were seen as a possible way out of the trench warfare stalemate. Which is exactly what happened.
        1. 0
          4 October 2025 13: 15
          The Germans were considering them, but the rest of us were out of the loop. Those who cobbled together the Maginot Line, concocted the Char 2C "breakthrough tank" based on WWI patterns, then the Phoney War, and on our side, those who hoped for "a minimum of bloodshed on foreign soil."
          1. +2
            4 October 2025 13: 18
            They were considered by the Germans, but the rest were not in the know.

            Triandafillov and Fuller felt hurt and offended

            PS "On our side" there were mechanized corps with 1000 tanks, which were not intended for trampling on the fortification line.
  13. +1
    4 October 2025 10: 24
    1. The first vulnerable part of robots is their detection capabilities. They can be suppressed with a simple smoke screen, or spotlights at night, or attacked in rain and fog, and so on. Active detection capabilities are even easier to suppress or destroy.
    2. Robots can also be attacked by robots - in the air, on the ground and underground.
    3. Against swarms of drones, they will inevitably find a means of destroying them en masse - large-scale explosions, clouds of shrapnel, and so on.
  14. +2
    4 October 2025 12: 50
    Three objections:
    1) The author portrays a ground war as, um, purely ground-based, whereas all more or less developed countries will use aircraft with heavy bombs, including bunker busters (this has already been mentioned in the comments). Or, at worst, heavy drones and missiles. Stationary targets, no matter how well protected, will quickly be identified and bombed without human support.
    2) The economic factor. Do we really need to cover the entire border with such systems? If we're threatened by a global war, they'll attack from any direction. If we're only considering local wars, however, we can find a cheaper solution.
    3) The inherent stability of the entire system. If something goes wrong, there's no way to bring in reinforcements, retreat, or regroup. The enemy (if they're lucky) will cut through the defensive line and may not even finish it off, simply advancing.

    So, as a local defense system, the author's idea could work (protecting some particularly dangerous areas or especially important objects), but in general, of course, it is impossible to restructure the armed forces in such a way today.
  15. -1
    4 October 2025 15: 12
    In subsequent materials, we will consider how such a defensive doctrine changes not only the tactics, but also the strategy of geopolitical deterrence itself.

    Author, maybe we shouldn't? It's all clear already.
    It's worth making a disclaimer right away: this is not the "Maginot Line" of the 21st century. The French line was a passive, impenetrable wall awaiting attack.

    This is the "Maginot Line." Buried in the ground, "clad" in concrete and steel, "golden" in terms of the funds invested and absolutely static A line of defense at a new technological level. They were defeated and outflanked then, and they will be defeated and outflanked now.
    A strong argument for such a unit could be the concept of a rapid-fire automatic cannon of medium caliber (conditional 60 mm), which we will conditionally call the AP-60 "Kolotushka"¹

    After this gem, I could have stopped reading it, but thank God the article is short.laughingWhat can a 60mm gun do that a 30mm can't?
  16. 0
    5 October 2025 16: 14
    Quote: Anglorussian
    Soon enough, they will find ways to clear the skies of drones.

    It's unclear why they haven't done this yet, because from an engineer's point of view, drones today are simple, slow targets. It wouldn't be a problem to create a portable installation consisting of a machine gun and a computer with machine vision that would shoot down drones flying towards it without human intervention. By the way, a regular shot blasting machine (for cleaning metal ingots from rust) accelerates cast iron shot to 50-60 m/s with a stream of compressed air or centrifugal force, but what would happen to a plastic drone if it got caught in such a stream...?
  17. -1
    6 October 2025 02: 09
    A dead-end approach. Any defensive node will be hacked because it's stationary. Much of what the author listed is worth considering, but it won't work together. Stationary firing points are necessary, but not in super-autonomous bunkers, but relatively mobile ones that can be quickly assembled. Fiber optics are long overdue for remote modules. Our adversaries have long been developing similar systems, including machine guns and small-caliber artillery. It's also not difficult to create a system of sensors and cameras and consolidate all the data. AI can help. By and large, the task is simple for a dedicated developer. It can be implemented using off-the-shelf commercial solutions and software; all that's needed is a technical specification from the Ministry of Defense. Incidentally, a cannon, the LShO 57, already exists. Just redesign the power supply system, and it will be ready for autonomous operation.
    For drones, stationary posts are completely pointless. A mobile carrier with swarm capability is an interesting idea. The enemy has already implemented this using trucks, albeit with some caveats. It would be interesting to implement the principle of a single operator controlling multiple drones using AI. That is, freeing the operator from flight control and leaving only targeting and general commands. Currently, they've taken a slightly different approach, assigning target identification to the AI. This solves the electronic warfare problem, but AI can't always handle what a human sees. Electronic warfare isn't a problem with fiber optics, but the current principle is: one drone, one operator. If AI power were directed toward flight, the operator would see a synthesized image from all cameras and focus solely on targeting, supported by the same AI... This would simplify operator training; essentially, no training would be required in this format. Controlling FPV is an art, not a Mavic. By the way, not every bird needs AI; if they are controlled via fiber optics, the "brains" can be moved to the control module, which will make the drones themselves as cheap as FPV.
  18. 0
    6 October 2025 10: 22
    By the way, a regular shot blasting machine (for cleaning metal ingots from rust) with a jet of compressed air

    A water cannon, steam jet, or flamethrower can do the same.
    1. -1
      6 October 2025 10: 51
      The range of pellets will be greater than the range of a steam jet, plus minimal energy consumption. In centrifugal units, only the drive to rotate the drum is needed (though they are bulky). Although steam can also accelerate pellets quite well. It is better to take a stationary solid-fuel rocket engine and organize the supply of pellets into its expanding nozzle. Then the speeds will be hundreds of meters per second. Of course, the engine will work once for 3-10 seconds, but it will create a curtain.
  19. -1
    6 October 2025 11: 02
    Quote: agond
    The range of pellets will be greater than the range of a steam jet plus minimal energy consumption, in centrifugal units only for the drum rotation drive (though they are bulky), although steam can also accelerate pellets quite well, but it is better to take a stationary solid-fuel rocket engine and organize the supply of pellets into its expanding nozzle, then the powder gases will create speeds of hundreds of meters per second, of course, the engine will work once for 3-10 seconds, but it will create a curtain
  20. 0
    6 October 2025 22: 15
    Yes, fantasies are fantasies... I remember they said the same thing at one time about machine guns, airplanes, tanks, missiles... and now about UAVs.
    This is not taking into account the fact that not a single fortified line has ever stopped anyone in life.
  21. 0
    7 October 2025 00: 58
    Yes, but in response, an equally maneuverable and mobile "wall" will come. And then, it'll be a matter of who has the most power.
  22. 0
    7 October 2025 06: 51
    And a new stage of nano-assaults will begin. Micro saboteurs to kill electronics.
  23. 0
    19 October 2025 22: 28
    It's always useful to think. For starters, it's interesting.
  24. 0
    23 October 2025 00: 13
    This is just an academic symposium! It's amazing how much talent is wasted in Russia!