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Deck aircraft. Part 2, USSR / Russia

18 November 2012. 40 turned years since the first landing, on the deck of the helicopter "Moscow", vertical take-off and landing aircraft Yak-36M. It is this date that November 18, 1972 is considered to be the birthday of the Russian deck jet aviation.

In 1974, the aircraft began mass production. 11 August 1977, the aircraft was adopted by the Navy under the designation Yak-38. For vertical take-off and landing, a lift-march and two lifting engines were used. The main propulsion engine is located in the middle part of the fuselage, it has single-side air intakes with boundary layer separation and an unregulated nozzle with 2 rotary nozzles. Lifting engines are located one after the other in front of the fuselage. Their air intakes and jet nozzles are closed by controlled flaps. To prevent hot gases from entering the air intakes, reflective fins are installed at the top and bottom of the fuselage. The fuel reserve is located in the 2 internal caisson tanks.

On the Yak-38M suspension is provided under the wing 2 PTB for 500 l. The cockpit is equipped with a forced ejection system SK-3М (it has no analogues in the world) with the K-36ВМ seat (on the aircraft of the first releases of the QW-1М). Flight navigation equipment provides the performance of combat missions day and night in simple and complex meteorological conditions. The armament consists of: UR type P-60 (P-60М) and X-23 (X-23МР), blocks UB-32А, UB-32М, UB-16-57UMP with C-5, B-8М1, missiles C-8, C-24B unguided missiles, free-fall bombs in caliber up to 250 kg, one-time bomb cartridges, incendiary tanks, UPK-23-250 cannon containers.

In total, 1974-1989 made 231 aircraft Yak-38 various modifications. The aircraft was based on the aircraft-carrying cruisers of the 1143 project ("Kiev", "Minsk", "Novorossiysk", "Baku"). If necessary, dry cargo and container ships with a specially equipped platform 20X20 m on the deck could be used for basing. In the spring of 1980, the 4 Yak-38, as part of Operation Rhombus, took part in the hostilities in Afghanistan. In general, the aircraft was unsuccessful, the interest of the sailors to the Yak-38 was short-lived. The aircraft had a weak thrust-capacity, in southern latitudes at high temperatures and humidity, it often had problems with take-off and had an extremely small radius of action. Yak-38 quickly became the leader of the Soviet naval aviation in terms of the number of accidents, although there were not many victims thanks to the automatic ejection system.

The century of this aircraft, in contrast to its western counterpart, the VTOL Harrier, was short. With the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the Yak-38 was taken to the reserve, and the following year was removed from service. The aircraft that did not work out were transferred to the storage base, and later “utilized”. Following this, three pretty new ships of the Ave. 1143 were sold abroad for the price of scrap metal.

Satellite image of Google Earth: aircraft carrier "Kiev" turned into an attraction in China

"Admiral Gorshkov" (formerly "Baku") was sold to India and is being modernized in Severodvinsk

Satellite image of Google Earth: TAKR "Admiral Gorshkov" in Severodvisk

Given the shortcomings of the Yak-38, in the middle of the 70-s began designing a new aircraft of vertical takeoff and landing. After adjusting the requirements of the military, the aircraft, called Yak-41M during the design was optimized for vertical takeoff and supersonic flight. He is able to perform a vertical takeoff with a full load. For this purpose, afterburner mode of operation of the engines. The combined triplex digital electric remote control system of the aircraft and the power plant associates the deviation of the all-rotary stabilizer with the operating mode of the lifting and main-landing engines. The system controls the deflection of the nozzles of all three engines. Lifting engines can operate up to a height of 2500 meters with a flight speed of no more than 550 km / h.

Fuel supply using outboard fuel tanks can be increased by 1750kg. It is possible to install a suspended conformal fuel tank. A multi-function electronic indicator (display) and an indicator on the cab windshield are included in the display system.

The sighting system has an onboard computer, around which the following are grouped: an onboard radar station M002 (C-41), a fire control system, a helmet-mounted target designation system and a laser-television guidance system. Flight-navigation system allows you to determine the coordinates of the location of the aircraft in flight from both ground (ship) radio systems and satellite navigation systems. The complex has systems for remote and trajectory control of the aircraft, autonomous navigation computer, etc.
Built-in rifle armament is a high-performance 301 mm GS-30 cannon with 120 ammunition of various types of shells, ensuring the defeat of airborne and ground (surface) lightly armored targets.

The maximum combat load of the Yak-41M is 260kg and is placed on the external suspension on four pylons under the wing.
Weapon variants are formed depending on the nature of the targets being targeted and are divided into three main groups: air-to-air (UR P-27P P-27T, P-77, P-73), air-to-sea (UR X-31А) and air-to-surface (UR X-25MP, X-31P.X-35). Uncontrolled missile weapons (C-8 and C-13 in blocks, C-24) and bombing (FAB, small cargo containers - KM GU). In 1985, the first prototype of the Yak-41M was built.
The first flight on the Yak-41M during takeoff and landing "in an airplane" was made by test pilot A.A. Sinitsyn 9 March 1987 of the year. However, in the timeframe (in 1988 year), it was not possible to submit the aircraft to state trials. When adjusting the timing of the tests, the designation of the aircraft was changed; Yak-141.

The active testing phase of the Yak-41M aircraft under ship conditions began in September 1991. During the tests, during the execution of landing, one copy, the aircraft was lost. Fortunately, the pilot successfully ejected. The Yak-141 aircraft after the end of the test was first publicly presented on September 6-13 on the 1992 at the Farnborough Air Show, and later was repeatedly shown at other air shows.

The Yak-141 has the following advantages over the Yak-38:
• take-off without taxiing out to the runway directly from the shelter along a lead-in taxiway, ensuring the massive entry into the battle of the Yak-141 unit;
• operation of the aircraft from damaged airfields;
• distribution of aircraft on a large number of small-sized sites with enhanced survival and home base;
• reduction in 4 - 5 times the take-off time of the Yak-141 aircraft from the 1 standby position compared to the normal take-off unit;
• Concentration of a fighter aviation group to intercept air targets on threatened routes, regardless of the presence of a developed aerodrome network;
• conducting close maneuver combat, striking ground and surface targets;
• short response time to the call of ground forces due to the short flight time and the simultaneous take-off of a large number of aircraft from dispersed sites located near the front line; based both on aircraft carriers of the Navy, and on ships of the sea fleethaving no developed flight deck, as well as on limited take-off and landing areas and road sections.

In connection with the collapse of the USSR, this aircraft, which was ahead of its time, was not so put into mass production.

On the basis of the 1143 project at the beginning of the 80-x, the construction of an aircraft-carrying cruiser was launched in the USSR, with horizontal take-off and landing aircraft. The fifth heavy aircraft carrying cruiser of the USSR, the Riga of the 11435 project, was laid on the slipway of the Black Sea Shipyard 1 of September 1982 of the year.

For the first time, he was distinguished from his predecessors by the possibility of taking off and landing traditional planes on him, modified variants of ground Su-27, MiG-29 and Su-25. For this, he had a significantly increased flight deck and a springboard for taking off aircraft. Even before the end of the assembly, after the death of Leonid Brezhnev, 22 November 1982, the cruiser was renamed in his honor in "Leonid Brezhnev". Launched on December 4 1985 of the year, after which it was completed afloat. 11 August 1987 was renamed "Tbilisi". 8 June 1989 began his mooring trials, and 8 September 1989 of the year - the settlement of the crew. October 21 1989 of the unfinished and incomplete ship was launched into the sea, where he conducted a series of flight tests of the aircraft intended for basing on board. November 9, 1 made the first landings of the MiG-1989K, Su-29K and Su-27UTG. The first take-off from it was made by the MiG-25K on the same day and the Su-29UTG and the Su-25K the next day, 27 November 2 of the year. After completing the 1989 test cycle in November, 23 returned to the factory for completion. October 1989 4 was renamed again (1990) and became known as "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov". Commissioned20 January 1991.

Deck aircraft. Part 2, USSR / Russia

According to the project, the ship should have been based: 50 airplanes and 26 MiG-29K or Su-27K, 4 Ka-27RLD, 18 Ka-27 or Ka-29, 2 Ka-27PS helicopters. Actually: 10 Su-33, 2 Su-25UTG.

Fighter Su-33, according to the 18 decree of April 1984, was to be developed on the basis of the fourth-generation heavy fighter Su-27, which had already been tested and launched into mass production. Su-33 had to retain all the advantages and design-layout solutions of the Su-27 base fighter.

Serial production of the Su-33 began in 1989 at KnAAPO. In connection with the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent economic crisis, the mass production of deck fighters Su-33, one might say, did not take place - the entire 26 serial fighter was built.

Fighter Su-33 created by the normal aerodynamic configuration using the front horizontal tail and has an integral layout. The trapezoidal wing, which has developed nodules and smoothly mates with the fuselage, forms a single bearing body. twin-turbojet engines with afterburner chambers are located in separated nacelles, which reduces their mutual influence. Engine air intakes are located under the center section. The forward horizontal tail is installed in the wing inflows and increases both the maneuverability characteristics of the aircraft and the lift of the airframe, which is very important for the deck fighter. The power plant of the aircraft consists of two double-circuit turbojet engines with afterburner chambers AL-31F. The aircraft’s armament is subdivided into a cannon and a missile. The gun-gun armament is represented by the built-in automatic rapid-fire single-barreled gun of the 30 caliber mm GSH-301 type mounted in the right wing half-wing with the 150 ammunition ammunition. The aircraft can be suspended up to X-NUMX medium-range P-8 air-to-air missiles with semi-active radar (P-27P) or thermal (P-27T) homing heads, as well as their modifications with an increased range (P-27EP , P-27ET) and up to 27 guided missiles of maneuvering combat with thermal homing heads of the P-6 type. A typical aircraft armament consists of X-NUMX P-73E and 8 R-27 missiles.

Flight characteristics
Maximum speed: at height: 2300 km / h (2,17 M) at the ground: 1300 km / h (1,09 M)
Landing speed: 235 — 250 km / h
Flight distance: at the ground: 1000 km at an altitude: 3000 km
Duration of patrols at a distance of 250 km: 2 h.
Service ceiling: 17000 m
Load on wing: at normal take-off mass; with
partial dressing: 383 kg / m²
with full dressing: 441 kg / m² at maximum take-off
weight: 486 kg / m²
Thrust at the afterburner:
during normal take-off mass: partially charged: 0,96; with
full dressing: 0,84
with maximum take-off weight: 0,76
Takeoff run: 105m. (with springboard) Run length: 90 m (with arresting gear)
Maximum operating overload: 8,5 g

MiG-29K It was developed for the acquisition of a mixed group of naval aviation. In the group of carrier-based aviation, the role of a multi-purpose vehicle was assigned to 29 (similar to the American F / A-18): both the attack aircraft and the aircraft gaining air superiority at short distances were also supposed to be used as a reconnaissance aircraft.

The development of the concept of the aircraft began with the 1978 year, and the direct design of the machine began in the 1984 year. From the "land" MiG-29 differed complex equipment necessary for basing on the ship, a reinforced chassis and a folding wing.

The landing on the deck of the aircraft-carrying cruiser and the first take-off from it. The MiG-29K made 1 on November 1989 of the year under control of Toktar Aubakirov. Due to economic difficulties, the MiG-29K project was closed, but it was proactively promoted by the KB for its money. Now this machine is equipped similarly to the MiG-29М2 (MiG-35). Compared to the original version, wing mechanization has been improved to improve takeoff and landing characteristics, fuel capacity has been increased, an air refueling system has been installed, armament weight has been increased, aircraft’s visibility in the radar range has been reduced, and a multifunctional Doppler radar airborne radar has been installed on the aircraft -ME ", engines RD-33MK, new EDSU with fourfold redundancy, avionics of standard MIL-STD-1553B with open architecture.

MiG-29K can be based on aircraft-carrying ships capable of receiving airplanes weighing more than 20 tons, equipped with a take-off springboard and landing arresting gear, as well as at ground aerodromes. The aircraft are armed with guided missiles RVV-AE and R-73E for air combat; anti-ship missiles X-31A and X-35; X-31P anti-radar missiles and KAB-500Kr corrected bombs to destroy ground and surface targets.

Maximum speed: at height: 2300 km / h (M = 2,17); near the ground: 1400 km / h (M = 1,17)
Ferrying range: high altitude: without PTB: 2000 km; with 3 PTB: 3000 km
with 5 PTB and one refueling: 6500 km
Combat radius: Without PTB: 850 km. From 1 PTB: 1050 km. From 3 PTB: 1300 km
Service ceiling: 17500 m
Rate of climb: 18000 m / min
Takeoff run: 110 — 195 m (with springboard)
Mileage: 90 — 150 m (with arresting equipment)
Maximum operating overload: + 8,5 g
Wing load: with normal take-off weight: 423 kg / m²
with maximum take-off weight: 533 kg / m²
Thrust: at maximum take-off weight: 0,84.
normal take-off weight: 1,06 with 3000
fuels (2300kg) and 4ХР-77.
Armament: Cannon: 30-mm aviation gun GSH-30-1, 150 ammunition
Combat load: 4500 kg. Suspension points: 8.
Modern deck-based MiGs are multifunctional all-weather generation machines "4 ++". Their task is to air defense and anti-ship defense of the connection of ships, striking attacks on ground targets of the enemy. It was decided to replace the outdated Su-33 with the MiG-29K of the 9-41 modification. They will also be armed with an air wing on the former Admiral Gorshkov. Which was upgraded and refurbished in Severodvinsk for the Indian Navy, where it was named Vikramaditya.

As a training, to save the resource of combat vehicles on the "Kuznetsov" used a couple Sioux 25UTG- on the basis of a combat training double attack aircraft Su-25UB.

Differs from it in the absence of sighting equipment, control system units weapons, a cannon installation with a cannon, girder holders and pylons, armored screens for engines, radio communication stations with ground forces, blocks and elements of the defense system.

After the termination of the program of deck aircraft DRLO Yak-44 and An-71, a helicopter was adopted to ensure the radar patrol and reconnaissance Ka-31.

The development of the Ka-31 helicopter OKB Kamov began in 1985 year. The basis was taken glider and power plant of the Ka-29. The first flight of the Ka-31 took place in the 1987 year. The helicopter was adopted by the Russian Navy in 1995 year. Serial production was established at the helicopter plant in Kumertau (KumAPP). It is planned that with 2013, the Ka-31 will begin to enter service with the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy.

The main element of the design is a radar with a rotating antenna length 5.75 m and area 6m2. The antenna is installed under the fuselage and is adjacent to its lower part in the folded position. When operating, the antenna opens to 90 ° down, while the landing gear supports are pressed against the fuselage so as not to interfere with the rotation of the antenna. Antenna full revolution time 10 seconds Radar provides simultaneous detection and tracking of up to 20 targets. The detection range is: for aircraft 100 — 150 km, for surface ships 250 — 285 km. Duration of patrolling 2.5ч when flying at altitude 3500 m.

Ka-27 - ship multipurpose helicopter. Based on the base multipurpose vehicle, two major modifications were developed for the Navy - the Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter and the Ka-27PS search and rescue helicopter.

Ka-27 (according to NATO classification - "Helix-A") is designed to detect, track and destroy submarines, following at a depth of 500 m at speeds up to 75 km / h in search areas remote from the home-based ship to 200 km during rough sea sea ​​to 5 points day and night in simple and difficult weather conditions. A helicopter can perform tactical tasks both individually and as part of a group.
and in conjunction with ships in all geographic latitudes.

Serial production was launched in 1977 at a helicopter plant in Kumertau. For various reasons, the tests and fine-tuning of the helicopter spanned 9 years, and the helicopter adopted 14 April 1981.

Anti-submarine torpedoes АТ-1МВ, АПР-23 missiles and bombs weighing up to 250 kg can be used to destroy submarines.
On the cassette holder KD-2-323, mounted on the right side of the fuselage, the landmark OMAB bombs, day or night, are suspended.
The Ka-27PS naval rescue helicopter is designed to rescue or assist crews of ships and aircraft in distress, the PS version is the most demanded for a simple reason — the helicopter is primarily used as a vehicle on ships and coastal bases.
Currently, the Ka-27 continues to serve on the Admiral Kuznetsov TAKR. Each helicopter is armed with destroyers, two large anti-submarine ships (BOD of the 1155 project), two each (missile cruisers of the 1144 project).

Ka-29 (according to the NATO classification: Helix-B, - English Spiral-B) - a naval transport helicopter helicopter, further development of the Ka-27 helicopter.

The Ka-29 helicopter is produced in two main versions: transport and combat, and is intended for landing marines from the ships, carrying cargo, military equipment in a suspended state, as well as fire support of the marine infantry, destruction of the enemy’s manpower. It can be used for medical evacuation, transfer of personnel, cargo from the mother ship and supply vessels to warships. The Ka-29 helicopters were based on the landing craft of the 1174 project. In the transport version, the helicopter is able to take on board the 16 paratroopers with personal weapons, or 10 wounded, including four on stretchers, or up to 2000 kg of cargo in the transport cabin, or up to 4000 kg of cargo on the external suspension. The helicopter can be installed winch capacity up to 300 kg.

Armament: 9A622 7,62 mm mobile machine gun mount with 1800 ammunition or 30-mm ammunition. gun, 6-- ATGM "Storm".

In the future, with the entry into service of universal amphibious ships of the Mistral type, it is planned to base helicopters of domestic production on them. Including drums Ka-52K.

The ship modification of the vehicle, which received the name Ka-52K, should be assembled, tested and tested by the middle of 2014. Just by that time, the first copies of Mistral will arrive at the Pacific Fleet. It is planned that for each Mistral X-NUMX Ka-8K and 52 helicopters will be equipped with Ka-8 combat vehicles.

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  1. Hemi cuda
    Hemi cuda April 23 2013 08: 46 New
    A photograph of USS Nimitz (CVN-68) is not appropriate in the article.
    1. Bongo
      April 23 2013 09: 20 New
      You are completely right when you park, uploaded the wrong photo.
      It must be:
      1. Hemi cuda
        Hemi cuda April 23 2013 09: 30 New
        This is what you need.
    2. Borat
      Borat April 23 2013 09: 22 New
      And the maximum combat load of the Yak-141 of 260 (!!!) kg raises doubts.
      1. Hemi cuda
        Hemi cuda April 23 2013 09: 30 New
        Maximum take-off weight (kg) 21500, maximum take-off weight with a take-off run of 120 m 19500, with a vertical take-off 15800, a dry weight of 11650. Useful load with a short take-off 2600.
    3. Civil
      Civil April 23 2013 09: 34 New
      Varyag was to be transferred to the fleet in the 1993 year, and the next - the nuclear aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk - in the 1996. The Black Sea Plant was preparing to cut metal for the second nuclear aircraft carrier of the 11437 project (order 108, still no name), which should have been laid right after the descent of Ulyanovsk in 1992. Thus, if the planned plans for the construction of aircraft carriers with the periodicity of handing over the fleet of one ship every three years were fulfilled, then the 2010-s could have been built and transferred to the Navy TAKR Varyag and five atomic aircraft carriers of the Ulyanovsk type. And three more would be in construction.

      Now the MiG-29K fighter has been revived for the Indian aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. Of course, the Yak-141 will be in demand in the event of the revival of the Russian aircraft carrier fleet, in particular, it could be used in the near future on helicopter carriers of the Mistral type.

      But, indeed, the Yak-141 should be revived, then you can quickly rivet a couple of "escort" aircraft carriers from civilians.
      1. Simon
        Simon April 24 2013 09: 27 New
        Or on the basis of the Yak-141 to make a more modern, with new technologies, vertical take-off aircraft for deck based. good
  2. Canep
    Canep April 23 2013 08: 58 New
    It is necessary to upgrade the Yak-141 to this day and in series. And build ships under it.
    1. Borat
      Borat April 23 2013 09: 28 New
      Quote: Canep
      It is necessary to upgrade the Yak-141 to this day and in series. And build ships under it.

      Answer three questions:
      - where to get the money
      -Where to take the scientific, technical and industrial base for such a project
      - what for ??!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 24 2013 03: 24 New
        Quote: Borat
        Answer three questions:

        You are welcome! hi
        Quote: Borat
        - where to get the money

        In a budget that will not be stolen
        Quote: Borat
        -Where to take the scientific, technical and industrial base for such a project

        Scientific - in the backlogs left by the USSR and ready for further development of Production - to use the money from the sale of resources for the modernization of existing enterprises and the creation of new ones for the development of the industry and the creation of jobs and infrastructure
        Quote: Borat
        - what for ??!

        Yes, that would be! Your division am
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 April 24 2013 13: 33 New
          Yes, that would be! Your division
          That's "what would have happened" - no need.
          1. Kassandra
            Kassandra 8 January 2015 18: 48 New
            what do you need? ... "whatever"?
        2. Borat
          Borat April 26 2013 07: 57 New
          Quote: Ruslan67
          In a budget that will not be stolen

          What naivety ?! They stole so many hundreds of years, but then they suddenly stop! The answer is no longer valid.
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Scientific - in the reserves left by the USSR

          How much can you feed on the corpse of the Union? The groundwork created two dozen years ago for the development of new weapons (another one or two dozen) - what do we get on the way out?

          Quote: Ruslan67
          Yes, that would be! Your division

          There is doubt about the need for this complex of weapons for the Russian army. Moreover, its implementation will hit other, much more important projects.
          "Yes, what would it be! ..." However ... Still, your infantilism is amazing ...
      2. carbofo
        carbofo April 26 2013 11: 14 New
        Quote: Borat
        -Where to take the scientific, technical and industrial base for such a project

        I think Comrade Beloev, or whatever his builder's name is in the Sochi Olympics, will pay for his skin.
    2. Atrix
      Atrix April 23 2013 10: 00 New
      Quote: Canep
      It is necessary to upgrade the Yak-141 to this day and in series. And build ships under it.

      You decide that you zealously prove that what for these aircraft carriers are needed and now you want to build an aircraft carrier? Where are you telling the truth or the truth for you where they put +?
      1. Canep
        Canep April 23 2013 20: 26 New
        If you followed the discussion on aircraft carriers, you might have noticed that my first comment concerned cost strike aircraft carriers, not the aircraft carriers themselves, re-read the comments. This aircraft can be used on small ships. They do not need a 400 meter long deck. These aircraft can also be used in the ground forces. No one is armed with supersonic vertical take-off aircraft. F-35 most likely will not reach serial production, 500 billion spent on the F-35 program, how much will be spent is unknown. If 1000 cars are ordered, then only the development price in each machine will be 500 million. This is ten times the reasonable price of the aircraft itself. I am against unreasonable gigantomania both in price and in size.
        1. Atrix
          Atrix April 24 2013 15: 54 New
          Quote: Canep
          F-35 most likely will not reach serial production, 500 billions spent on the F-35 program

          Well, I knew that it’s hard with your head, but not so much
          The total US investment in the development and procurement of 2457 fighters.
          F-35 until 2037 will amount to almost 400 billion dollars
          Read more:

          And Russia can only dream of such a non-serial quantity
          Units produced by 64 for April 2013 of the year
          (28 F-35A, 30 F-35B, 6 F-35C)
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 22: 09 New
      And in fact - it is necessary! We must not miss the moment
  3. avt
    avt April 23 2013 09: 21 New
    Quote: Canep
    It is necessary to upgrade the Yak-141 to this day and in series.

    request Do you think it's so simple - took the old blueprints and upgraded? Even having bought the Yankees and having huge personnel and industrial potential, they cannot bring the car to mind. What do you want from the Yakovlevites? There really are no longer people who were engaged in the topic and students, too. Well, what actually upgrade? The car and engines of the last century, planning ahead of time lag? This is not a MiG-31. You need a fundamentally new solution, but here again the question. Who will do it and for what money?
    1. Canep
      Canep April 23 2013 20: 42 New
      Quote: avt
      The car and engines of the last century, planning ahead

      What kind of lag are you talking about, no army has a supersonic vertical takeoff aircraft. I wrote - "modernize to this day", ie modern electronics, materials, weapons. Engines can be improved over time. But we need to work in this direction. It is not necessary to catch up here, the main thing is not to lag behind.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 23 2013 21: 29 New
        On the background, the Yak-141 is an unremarkable aircraft. On supersonic, its range will be no more than 300-400 km. And this is at least with a short take-off. With vertical take-off, the radius of action will be even smaller. to protect only your airfield? Maybe it’s better to start up the resources to fine-tune the T-50, and only then, as the power and ambitions of the state grow, revive the most promising projects and directions?
        1. Canep
          Canep April 24 2013 04: 11 New
          Quote: Conepatus
          It may be better to start up the resources to fine-tune the T-50

          No one complains enough about the T-50 money. If you give 10 times more, things will not go faster, and they will steal 10 times more.
          Quote: Conepatus
          and only then, as the power and ambitions of the state grow, to revive the most promising projects and directions?

          Then you have to start from scratch. If now on the Yak-141 there is still someone in the "topic", then then everyone can die.
        2. carbofo
          carbofo April 26 2013 11: 18 New
          Supersound is not a panacea, without the normal flight characteristics and avionics of the nefig, making a supersonic copy of the Yak-38, the practical sense is that we do not have such aircraft, but we have a huge country and there is more benefit from the Mig-29.
          But I think that such a project as a technical development would not hurt, but the Americans will not share technology with us.
          1. Kassandra
            Kassandra 8 January 2015 18: 52 New
            yes how the MiG-29 can be more useful if it needs an airfield or a large ship, and its combat radius even less than the Yak-141?
  4. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 23 2013 10: 41 New
    Yak-141 is quite an interesting aircraft. In addition to take-off from the deck, it can take off from a platform of 20 to 20 meters. And this is a destroyed airfield. Airfield (site) jump next to the front line. Multipurpose aircraft. It is possible to use it as a light bomber. The Americans are looking at the Yak-141 and having studied the documentation received on it, are now making the F-35.
  5. hommer
    hommer April 23 2013 11: 16 New
    Landing on the deck of the aircraft carrier and the first take-off from it, the MiG-29K made on November 1, 1989 under the control of Toktar Aubakirov.

    Toktar Ongarbaevich Aubakirov (Kaz.Totar Oңғarbayyly Kubәkirov; born July 27, 1946, Karkaraly district, Karaganda region, Kazakh SSR) - the 256th cosmonaut of the world, 72nd (and last) cosmonaut of the USSR.

    The first cosmonaut of Kazakh nationality. Member of the Supreme Council of Kazakhstan of the XII convocation. Member of the Mazhilis of the Parliament of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Major General of the Air Force of Kazakhstan.

    There was one country, everyone was ready to defend it. Glory to the Almighty, we are slowly reviving everything.
  6. Avenger711
    Avenger711 April 23 2013 13: 12 New
    On the Ka-52 is an ATGM in an altered suspension or a bomb on a beam holder?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 23 2013 13: 32 New
      It looks like ATGMs
  7. MAN
    MAN April 23 2013 13: 58 New
    The airplane is sorry .......
  8. RPG_
    RPG_ April 23 2013 14: 43 New
    Well, the documentation for the Yak-141 was "handed over" to Lockhead, now it is necessary to politely ask them for all the developments on lightning 2 because the Yak itself is already outdated, but the layout and the scheme are quite workable.

    And on the other hand, it’s clearly not yet for the carrier fleet and aviation because our Air Force is in a rather poor state, it’s better to let all the money go there.
    1. Simon
      Simon April 24 2013 09: 32 New
      Nothing to ask for! The designers remained, it is necessary to create a new, more technologically advanced aircraft of vertical take-off, which should be better than the Yak-141
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 8 January 2015 18: 58 New
        designers - they killed almost everyone ... the factory - destroyed. if you did not know
  9. Watchman
    Watchman April 23 2013 14: 47 New
    How can one suggest building ships for a particular aircraft? In general, the fate of the Yak-141 is sad, but the vertical line for the Navy today is not the most necessary thing.
  10. krpmlws
    krpmlws April 23 2013 16: 59 New
    Quote: Watchman
    How can one suggest building ships for a particular aircraft? In general, the fate of the Yak-141 is sad, but the vertical line for the Navy today is not the most necessary thing.
    This is another look. We have only one aircraft carrier, and aircraft for covering the fleet are needed. Vertical combat can also arm non-combat vessels, if necessary. Without aviation, the squadron will not represent an integral combat unit.
  11. crasever
    crasever April 23 2013 17: 22 New
    "The sea surface melts under the wing, tearing off the fogs from the water, and, adding a gray strand to me, the ship hides from me - I know somewhere, in the sea, a strip, she has steel cables, she has a steep and harsh disposition, it will be right there you il wrong ... "Song of the pilots of the naval aviation of Russia
  12. spanchbob
    spanchbob April 23 2013 20: 35 New
    There is no photo of the Yak-36, and the Yak-38 is an attempt to copy the HARRIER. At the same time, except for its weight, the Yak-38 could not lift anything (3 engines !!!), and they refused from it. But the military did not need the YAK-141 with its "carrying capacity" (3 engines !!!). The Americans bought his project, but did not find anything useful for themselves.
    1. Argon
      Argon April 23 2013 22: 15 New
      The Yak-38 had characteristics that were 18% worse than the corresponding modifications of the "Harier", and was 6 times cheaper. It used a completely different maintenance scheme in the GDP mode (much more reliable) and cannot be considered a copy of the "khark". the car and ships were in great need of the navy, the country had no money. By the way, the PAK FA project began with the analysis of the Yak-141 as the most appropriate to the requirements of the 141th generation. The fact is that this engine did not just rotate the nozzle. The engine itself was bent in the area of ​​the turbine diaphragm. This is the engine (modified, of course, for mechanical power take-off) and stands on the F-5.
      1. spanchbob
        spanchbob April 23 2013 22: 32 New
        Look at the harrier and at the YAK-38 - one face, only the first is shorter. Question: on f35 installed all three engines from141 or one pulled out? Not money, but the lack of a standing engine is the reason for rejecting 141. And where did these tales about borrowing from f35 from Yak141 come from? .
        1. tomket
          tomket April 23 2013 23: 18 New
          It's interesting that you can at a quick glance determine who is whose copy is, apparently for you to build an airplane, just a drawing of how to sketch them and voila !!!! You will probably argue that the reason for the rejection of, say, the MiG-29M, MiG-31M, were not satisfactory performance characteristics, and not the collapse of the Union and Yeltsin's bacchanalia, right? It is inappropriate to replace the lack of funding and systematic collapse with the concept of "unsettled" the military, arranged the yak-38, but when choosing the yak-141 they became more legible ????
          1. spanchbob
            spanchbob April 24 2013 20: 43 New
            YAK 38 wasn’t accepted anymore since, besides lifting its own weight, it didn’t lift a gram more.
        2. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 23 2013 23: 31 New
          Quote: spanchbob
          1. And where did these tales about borrowing from f35 from Yak141 come from? .

          What would you understand, mashmula eater, would you go to primary school.
          1. spanchbob
            spanchbob April 24 2013 20: 47 New
            1- the question is, what is mashmula?
            2 - not knowing who I am, you send me to study.
            3-When a man does not know what to answer - he begins to get angry
        3. LINX
          LINX April 24 2013 02: 54 New
          On September 26, on the 91st, Sinitsyn first put the Yak-141 on the deck of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, which was stationed on the Severomorsk roadstead. Following the second, the same car on the ship put test pilot Yakimov. Four days later, the first take-off from the Gorshkov. And a week later, on October 5, misfortune happened. When landing on deck, Yakimov’s plane sank too quickly. The pilot was mistaken, and the flight director overlooked his actions. From impact on the deck of the landing gear, fuel tanks were pierced. The yak collapsed and burned, the pilot ejected and a rescue boat picked him up from the Barents Sea.

          In addition to the military, in Moscow, it seems, nobody seemed seriously interested. It was in those days that Boris Yeltsin was fiercely biting at the Kremlin with Mikhail Gorbachev. Is there a catastrophe here before testing a new aircraft? And the program ahead of its time was quietly closed.

          In total, at that time, four Yak-141s had been manufactured at the Saratov aircraft plant. Two are now rotting in Moscow museums. And they simply forgot about the other two in the confusion of political change. Nobody seems to know where they are, in whose hands they ended up. Or does not speak. But some thoughts are suggested by the fact that Lockheed Martin, an American company, does not hide: in the layout of their F-35s, there are really a lot of things suspiciously similar to the forgotten Soviet Yak. Especially - schemes of the propulsion system, as well as deviations of the nozzle of the lift-propulsion engine. True, the Americans do not see anything illegal in this. The reason, according to them, is in close cooperation with the Yakovlev firm, which was established immediately after the collapse of the USSR.

          More on this topic

          in f35 there is only one engine and it is far from engine 141, but the stabilization and control system was slammed.

          By the way, the practical range of using f35v is 1450 km.,
          and 141 with it (as you wrote above):
          Quote: spanchbob
          But the military did not need the YAK-141 with its "carrying capacity" (3 engines !!!).

          2100 km.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 24 2013 06: 57 New
            Here you give a description of the Yak-141 disaster at the GSI and then claim that the designers from Lockheed borrowed the "stabilization and control system" which caused this disaster. Why did Lockheed need a non-working "stabilization and control system" of the Yak-141 when BAE Systems participated in the development of Lightning2, which successfully worked on a similar system on Harier? Where does this information come from?
            1. Kassandra
              Kassandra 8 January 2015 19: 04 New
              disaster, this is when people died, and so - a flight accident

              it was not because of the system, but because of a pilot error - a new pilot was sitting in the cockpit when landing on the deck who did not fly the set hours even on land.

              the system was the same worked out as on the Yak-38. more precisely - the same.

              there is no similar system on the harrier, it is simple as a cork, built around just one turbofan engine. even simpler than the Yak-36 ...

              By the way, the birthday of carrier-based aviation is generally considered to be the Yak-36 flights from Moscow and Leningrad in the Black Sea and then to the Mediterranean, when the Americans fatly troll off, hovering over their ships ... after which they knowably fell apart (at first they thought it would fall) and ran to steal Harrier at the British.
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 24 2013 11: 12 New
    Quote: spanchbob
    Look at the harrier and at the YAK-38 - one face,

    Well, judging by this post, the guy is in the TOPIC, more specifically. Yak and Harrier have one thing in common - VTOL, or a plane of vertical (shortened) take-off and landing. And that’s it.
    And judging by other posts, there are other "experts" here. Before you write nonsense in comments, you would have initially accumulated not a lot of knowledge on the topic, or sometimes you don't know whether to laugh at the comments of such experts, or don't watch comments at all. ..
  14. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 24 2013 13: 38 New
    The opinion of the amateur. Why are VTOL aircraft needed at all? Isn't it easier to have a normal aircraft carrier and normal planes? Without any tricks with a vertical take-off?
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 8 January 2015 19: 08 New
      not easier ... and in general they should sit upright repeat
  15. smershspy
    smershspy 13 May 2013 15: 13 New
    I'm tired! When will military bonuses begin not to chat but to make and build worthy aircraft, ships, aircraft carriers, tanks for the army .... When they will begin to respect our army!
  16. Kassandra
    Kassandra 20 March 2015 03: 49 New
    century Yak-38 was 20 years old
    Operation Rhombus in Afghanistan was successful - the yaks, due to their forward basing and high speed, on call appeared over the battlefield before both helicopters and supersonic airfield aviation.
    The military’s interest in the Yak-38 disappeared because the Yak-41 appeared, which was much better than him.