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Update Mosin rifle from Archangel Manufacturing

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Anyway, whatever they say, there are samples weapons, which can be considered “eternal”, such a weapon has not been used by the army and police for a long time, but still it is popular, it is known, and it is not forgotten. So, one of the most prominent representatives of such weapons is the Mosin rifle. His weapon has definitely served, and should have retired a long time ago, but the rest of the rifle only dreams. Well, in any way the simplicity and characteristics of the weapon do not allow the fans of the weapon to sleep in peace, for which companies that are engaged in the release of additional adaptations to the weapon, as well as its tuning, are extremely happy. At this time, the company Archangel Manufacturing took a breath of new life. As you know, the gods do not mold pots and do not cast bullets, let's see what the archangels are able to do.


The company offers to breathe new life into an old rifle by replacing all wooden with modern polymers and light alloys. I’ll say right away that after such a replacement, the weapon becomes not so unrecognizable, but an uncrowded eye may not recognize the creation of Mosin. It seems like a familiar weapon, but some not so. The main reason for doubting that the updated Mosin rifle is the well-known “Masyanya”, for me personally there was a detachable store, an old bolt giving out giblets, they did not shove iron, for which many thanks. As the manufacturer claims, the updated weapon will become more accurate, which we naturally do not believe. More convenient is possible, and only because of this can the characteristics improve.

A rather remarkable detail in all of this is that the Mosin rifle in the US became the best-selling rifle in the 2012 year, that is, the company’s target audience is quite large. In this case, it is noted separately that it is possible to upgrade not only the original weapon, but also what is created on its base, apparently, it means a remake of various companies. Let's try to figure out what is so unique in the proposed weapon upgrade.

First of all, the presence of a full-fledged handle, to the bottom of which the rifle butt is attached, is striking. The butt itself is governed by its length, which is important for hunters, since the thickness of clothes in different seasons is different, so now the weapon can be adjusted more accurately. In addition, the rifle is adjustable emphasis on the cheek, which is also a useful function, especially when using an optical sight. Adjustments are made using adjusting nuts protruding on the sides of the butt, so that the process of fitting the weapon is fast enough and can be performed without detaching the butt from the shoulder. In addition, there is a place for mounting bipods, which, of course, are not included. Ideally, of course, I would like to see a modern seat for optics, but there already requires a deeper intervention in the design of the weapon, rather than just replacing wood.

As mentioned above, the update allows the use of detachable stores. The manufacturer offers shops with a capacity of 5 and 10 cartridges. It is difficult to say whether such an improvement will turn out to be a good thing, although other tuning options for adding detachable stores are in most cases quite successful. This is probably the only node that I doubt. Also confuses the weight of the proposed product. According to the manufacturer, the weight of all this happiness is only 228 grams. On the one hand, the maximum reduction in the weight of the rifle is good, and if even these grams have invested sufficient strength, then it is generally wonderful, but you should not forget about such a phenomenon as recoil when fired. It seems to me that in this case the heavier version of the weapon will have greater accuracy, although everyone here is already free to choose what is more important for him.

Well, finally, the most important moment. The price of this improvement is almost $ 200, 20 will have to be paid for a magazine with a capacity of 5 and 25 dollars for a shop with a capacity of 10. It is clear that prices are not so high, but if you think about it, then a toad would strangle me personally. Yes, and to make a modern rifle out of legend, the hand would probably not have risen, although no one bothers to change the plastic for a tree.
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  1. Trailer
    Trailer April 24 2013 09: 04
    +7
    I do not understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 24 2013 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      I do not understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?

      laughing yeah, and the bayonet must somehow tame laughing
      Well, but seriously, all such alterations can be described as "looking for buyers." there will be supply - maybe there will be demand ...
      here is an option
      OTS-48K sniper rifle made on the basis of the Mosin rifleOTS-48K sniper rifle made on the basis of the Mosin rifle
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 24 2013 14: 02
        16
        and it’s not convenient as an oar ...
        M16 - Once in a river, it stops working.
        AK-47 - Once in the river, it shoots anyway.
        VM sample 1891/1930 - Once in the river, it is usually used as a paddle.
        M16 - You are more likely to die than you will break this expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat.
        AK-47 - Your submachine gun can beat off well in hand-to-hand combat.
        VM sample 1891/1930 “Your rifle is a great spear with the ability to shoot.”
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan April 25 2013 10: 23
          18
          It looks like this:

          M16 - The butt melts under the magnifying glass.
          AK-47 - Under the magnifying glass, you can see Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease.
          Mosin Rifle - Under the magnifying glass you can see the blood-soaked tree.

          M16 - Wedges when dirty.
          AK-47 - Works when dirty.
          Mosin Rifle - There wasn’t a clear moment of entering the troops in 1892.

          M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws.
          AK-47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held together by a handful of rivets and the ugly seams of a drunken Russian welder.
          Mosin rifle - three moving parts, two screws.

          M16 - You are more likely to die than you will break this expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat.
          AK-47 - Your submachine gun can beat off well in hand-to-hand combat.
          Mosin Rifle - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot.

          M16 - If a striker breaks, you will return the rifle to the factory under warranty.
          AK-47- If a striker breaks, you buy a new one.
          Mosin Rifle - If a striker breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the bolt.

          M16 - More difficult to manufacture than some aircraft.
          AK-47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes.
          Mosin Rifle - Aircraft were shot down from it.

          M16 - The owner's favorite drink is whiskey.
          AK-47 - The owner’s favorite drink is vodka.
          Mosin Rifle - Owner's favorite drink is brake fluid discharged over a frozen crowbar.

          M16 - Makes a small hole, neatly in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
          AK-47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention.
          Mosin Rifle - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention.

          M16 - Perfectly shoots small rodents.
          AK-47 - Perfectly shoots enemies of the motherland.
          Mosin Rifle - Perfectly shoots light armored vehicles.

          M16 - Once in a river, it stops working.
          AK-47 - Once in the river, it shoots anyway.
          Mosin Rifle - Once in a river, it is usually used as a paddle.

          M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters.
          AK-47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand.
          Mosin Rifle - Which Grenade? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick.

          M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of noise.
          AK-47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire.
          Mosin Rifle - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot will everyone go deaf?

          M16 - Weapons of defense.
          AK-47 - Weapons of attack.
          Mosin Rifle - Weapon of Victory !!!
    2. avt
      avt April 24 2013 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: Karavan
      I do not understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?

      Head work necessary, head! laughing
      1. Ch0sen1
        Ch0sen1 April 24 2013 16: 30
        +4
        The best way of hand-to-hand combat is sniper shooting. wink
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris April 25 2013 18: 20
          0
          You're not right. The best way of hand-to-hand combat is the competent adjustment of the fire of a battalion mortar battery.
      2. LION
        LION April 25 2013 12: 39
        0
        Not properly. On the head you need to work on the head.
    3. kaprall
      kaprall April 25 2013 17: 35
      0
      I don’t think that in real conditions it will be possible to wave the "paddle", they don’t go in a carr anymore ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 23 June 2013 19: 54
        0
        Have you seen a steel or Kevlar helmet on the bridge of your nose?
        In extreme cases, a fracture of the cervical vertebrae is guaranteed.
  2. vkusniikorj
    vkusniikorj April 24 2013 09: 25
    -8
    here are the bl ..in’s generals with us! don’t feed bread, let them throw soldiers in the bayonet! (I don’t understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?) Women give birth? would put on a stake without hesitation !!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. radar75
    radar75 April 24 2013 09: 55
    +1
    A smart copy and, most importantly, convenient.
    1. the47th
      the47th April 24 2013 14: 22
      +3
      No. The main thing is inexpensive!
  4. Mitzhel
    Mitzhel April 24 2013 10: 02
    14
    Well, and finally, the most important point. The price of this improvement is almost $ 200, another 20 will have to be paid for a store with a capacity of 5 rounds and $ 25 for a store with a capacity of 10 rounds. It is clear that the prices are not so high, but if you think about it, the toad would strangle me personally.


    The Mosin rifle in the United States sells for 80-150 bucks. The most unpretentious NEW American analogue is not less than 500. So 200 bucks for a new box (+ bonus store for 10 rounds) is a trifle and still remains on the box of rounds. In general, it turns out interesting - in the United States they drive rifles from warehouses at the price of scrap metal, and in the Russian Federation it’s not only that you need to own a shotgun for 5 years to buy it in the store, and you have to pay several times more than Americans. More Americans are buying rifles original, with a bayonet without ugly pins in the barrel and ballistic tags.

    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 April 25 2013 00: 04
      0
      This "snake" and the fuse remade ???
  5. bunta
    bunta April 24 2013 10: 05
    +5
    The trunk seems to be hung out. In this regard, allegations of increased accuracy are justified.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio April 24 2013 11: 59
      0
      Quote: bunta
      The trunk seems to be hung out.

      it is difficult to make out on the presented photos, but do not seem to be posted.
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil April 24 2013 23: 57
        +2
        Quote: bazilio
        it is difficult to make out on the presented photos, but do not seem to be posted.

        Unambiguously posted, and moreover, along the entire length, it makes sense to bother with customization and fence a high-precision screw, if the basic condition for accurate and stable shooting, i.e. trunk hanging, not observed wink
        1. bazilio
          bazilio April 25 2013 08: 56
          0
          Quote: Castor_ka
          Unambiguously posted, and along the entire length


          But can a shaft be hung not over its entire length?
          "Freely hung barrel" means that the barrel is attached to the weapon by the breech and does not come into contact with the stock and other elements of the weapon.

          I do not exclude that this trilinear has a freely hung trunk, it’s just difficult to judge from the photo. For example, Blazer Cp 93, you can immediately see what a freely hung trunk is.
          [img] https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkn84b9XFuCcMnwkNncgj
          1_D_-BQE74xZlbOUPvvD0buBaOk7N [/ img]
          However, there are examples where you can’t immediately determine that the trunk is hung out. For example HK MSG90
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan April 25 2013 10: 33
            0
            In a freely hanging trunk, the gap between the bed and the trunk is not necessarily two fingers. Enough 0,5-1 mm. So you can’t guess in your hands. In this case, unambiguously freely posted: at the original, the barrel was attached to the bed with screws in the breech, and approximately in the middle and at the end with clamps.
          2. Castor oil
            Castor oil April 25 2013 14: 28
            0
            Quote: bazilio
            But can a shaft be hung not over its entire length?
            "Freely hung barrel" means that the barrel is attached to the weapon by the breech and does not come into contact with the stock and other elements of the weapon.

            The barrel can be hung out and not "absolutely" along the entire length, there are a lot of examples of factory or self-made glass and pilar bedding, no matter how far (0 or 50 mm) the receiver's "bed" protrudes beyond the recoil paw or a similar element - the trunk is in any case considered suspended along its entire length.
            1. bazilio
              bazilio April 25 2013 16: 45
              +2
              Quote: Castor_ka
              examples of this are the mass of factory or self-made glass- and pilar bedding

              as far as I know, bedding (glass- or pilar) is done to eliminate or minimize (conditionally) backlash of the paw of the recoil and the places of contact of the trunk and the box. can bedding be considered as an option for a free-hanging trunk?
              For example, take Blazer Wed 93 - in it, the barrel is attached with the breech end with 2 screws to the receiver-receiver (made of metal), which plays the role of a frame, a frame. and the stock is already attached to the receiver (well, or the box to the stock). thus, the barrel has no contacts with the stock. What does it do? the stock does not affect the vibrations of the barrel when fired (deflections, torque from the passage of the bullet along the rifling, etc.), because it has no points of contact with the barrel. And the "bedding" technique allows you to avoid backlash arising in the places where the barrel is attached to the stock (screws, recoil paw). Of course, I can be wrong in my judgments, and therefore if you correct me, I will be grateful.
              1. Castor oil
                Castor oil April 25 2013 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: bazilio
                And the "bedding" technique allows you to avoid backlash arising in the places where the barrel is attached to the stock (screws, recoil paw)

                That's all right :)
                It’s just the meaning of the posted trunk, it is free harmonious vibrations of the trunk, stable from shot to shot (overheating is not taken into account, yet), and practically, bedding simply does not allow the trunk and the bed to live a separate life from each other.
                In general, we are talking about the same thing :) Almost all bolt screws have free trunks (Blazer in this sense is a good example), only budget ones with frankly shit lodges should be brought to mind))) And this Mosya, in Kirill’s article , one hundred% with a free trunk, the custom profile of this for rarity fans implies high-precision shooting on paper, so between the trunk and the box (to the receiver), I’m sure that the bill will crawl through yes
                Sincerely. drinks
                1. bazilio
                  bazilio April 25 2013 19: 02
                  +1
                  Thanks for the explanation ))
                  Best regards drinks
                  1. bunta
                    bunta April 25 2013 23: 27
                    +1
                    About barrel vibration in more detail:

                    http://topwar.ru/24778-vibracii-stvola-v-moment-vystrela-zapiski-tehnarya.html
                    1. bazilio
                      bazilio April 26 2013 11: 00
                      0
                      Quote: bunta
                      About barrel vibration


                      Thank you, dear Riot.
                      Now I finally have a picture about the freely posted trunks and bedding. If somewhere is wrong, correct me)))
                      When fired, the barrel experiences vibrations. Avoiding vibrations will not work, but if they are uniform, this does not affect the accuracy.
                      In addition to the temperature, the mass of the trunk and the like, the bed can affect the oscillations of the trunk (that part in the fore-end region). In most classic rifles, the barrel lies in a semicircular recess of the box. It seems like a round barrel should be ideally lying in a semicircular recess, but it will not work to fit perfectly anyway. In addition, the material of the box can change shape (miserable changes, but still) with changes in temperature and (in the case of wood) humidity. This means that there is no need to talk about uniform vibration. The way out is to exclude the possibility of contact between the trunk and forend, we get the hung trunk.
                      The bedding is designed primarily to eliminate backlash in the barrel-to-stock attachment points. Although if you look at examples of glass-bedding, you can see that an epoxy "pillow" on which the receiver, the breech and the recoil paw is placed, raises the barrel and creates a small gap between the barrel and the forend, that is, hangs the barrel. something like this)) please correct if where it is not right))
                      1. bunta
                        bunta April 26 2013 14: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: bazilio
                        "pillow" made of epoxy, on which the receiver is placed; the breech of the barrel and the recoil paw, raises the barrel and creates a small gap between the barrel and the forend, that is, hangs the barrel



                        After all, a gap can be arranged without an epoxy. Just solving the problem of joining two parts of a dissimilar material and experiencing increased loads (leading to the formation of backlash) by introducing an elastic gasket, the problem of decoupling the forearm and the trunk is also solved. Something like this wink
                      2. anomalocaris
                        anomalocaris April 26 2013 14: 50
                        0
                        Yeah. And to what temperatures will this gasket work?
                      3. bazilio
                        bazilio April 26 2013 16: 40
                        0
                        Quote: anomalocaris
                        And to what temperatures will this gasket work?

                        probably depends on the material of the gasket. but I think it’s not so critical for the boltoviks, since the boltovik is not a machine gun, you can’t warm up the barrel much by shooting, though .....
                      4. anomalocaris
                        anomalocaris April 26 2013 19: 50
                        0
                        I meant "outside" temperature. It's just that in my experience, plastic reacts extremely badly to negative temperatures. Here, where I live, it can easily be -50.
                  2. bazilio
                    bazilio April 26 2013 16: 37
                    0
                    Quote: bunta
                    After all, a gap can be arranged without an epoxy.

                    yes, by the way, also an option)))
                    Well, the topic has gone, you can explain to the humanities (that is to say to me), the physics of the "pressure point" technique, otherwise I didn't quite understand how it works, if it doesn't complicate
                  3. bunta
                    bunta April 26 2013 18: 34
                    +2
                    It’s hard without a picture, but I’ll try.
                    This has nothing to do with the hanging trunk.
                    Take the rifle and unscrew the mount of the receiver. Now shoot. What will happen?
                    The stock will remain in the hands, and the trunk will come under the eye. So? Usually fasteners are screws that are screwed perpendicular to the axis of the barrel. That is, all recoil force will loosen the screw connection.
                    Take a hardened iron pin and hammer halfway into the board. How to get it out with a hammer? Knock correctly perpendicular to the axis of the pin - gradually the pin will loosen and it will be possible to remove it by hand. This is a model of the process in connection - "receiver-screw-stock (forend)".
                    Now we make a heel on the trunk, which will firmly abut against the end of the forend. When fired, through this heel, the recoil will be immediately transmitted to the forend. That is, the recoil force is transferred to the box directly, and not through the connection, which will no longer receive a transverse load.

                    It remains to ensure the absence of a gap between the heel and the fore-end due to temperature deviations. wink
                  4. bazilio
                    bazilio April 26 2013 22: 19
                    0
                    Thanks for the answer, but something I did not quite understand.
                    Quote: bunta
                    Now we make a heel on the trunk, which will firmly abut against the end of the forend. When fired, through this heel, the recoil will be immediately transmitted to the forend.

                    is the essence of work similar to the paw of bestowal?

                    Googled on this topic - pressure point on the Remington M700. But there it does not rest against the end of the forend, although it is close to the end, but it is made on the forend itself, in the form of a small "pimple" ... in general, it is not clear what is request
                  5. bunta
                    bunta April 27 2013 00: 33
                    +1
                    Insert test
                  6. bunta
                    bunta April 27 2013 00: 37
                    +1
                    Sample insertion.
                  7. bunta
                    bunta April 27 2013 01: 09
                    +1
                    Problems with the fill, so comment separately.
                    In Fig. 1, the forces acting on the screw at the time of the shot. Figure 2 shows two possible points of support. Point B is bad. At point A, as I wrote, the heel at the end and the recoil vector are instantly transferred from the receiver to the box. There is no turning moment on the mounting screws. Structurally, this point can also be inside the fore-end, as in Figure 3. How Remington calculated this point and realized it constructively, I honestly don’t know, and I don’t care. American designers also have enough esoterics, to be honest. wink


                  8. bazilio
                    bazilio April 27 2013 14: 59
                    0
                    Thanks for the answer, I guess I already got you my questions))) From the above figures, it turns out that the pressure point is the same as the recoil paw, right?
              2. bunta
                bunta April 27 2013 01: 37
                +1
                Here is the scheme of remington. But this is a mistake.
              3. bazilio
                bazilio April 27 2013 15: 05
                0
                Quote: bunta
                Here is the scheme of remington. But this is a mistake.

                here is a diagram after the pilar and bedding glass, after which the pressure point was removed.

                And here is Remington’s initial diagram, in which the pressure point is shown (the extreme right circle on the diagram) This is dear to her and we are talking about how it works I can’t understand. Please help clarify the humanities.
                Z.Y. the picture is not inserted ((, here is a link to it http://www.ada.ru/Guns/remington/bedding/images/draw_1.gif
              4. bazilio
                bazilio April 27 2013 15: 07
                0
              5. bunta
                bunta April 28 2013 10: 06
                +2
                Excuse me, but for a long time, excuse me again, laughed at this "point" and even PRESSURE lol It has no special purpose. And consider that this "point" specially for some "work" was created, and even call it so x-po "pressure point".
                In general, as follows:
                If this "point" is at a distance of 0,22 * of the barrel length from the muzzle, then this will be the second harmonic oscillation node (look at the diagram in my article), i.e. in this place the barrel oscillations are zero For higher harmonics, the nodes are located at other points, but they are scanty and are practically not taken into account. (Although how to say too ...). This "point" has no role other than decorative (or at least protection from debris between the forend and the barrel). But if this "point" is only not PRESSURE, but TOUCHING (no one is pressing anywhere wink ) move forward or backward, then yes. This is problem. Firstly, there will be a bounce between the vibrating barrel and the forend, and secondly, the resonance of the barrel-forend system will unpredictably change from shot to shot. Well, then on the article I have everything written there.

                PS I thought it a sinful thing that you call the pressure point the place where the trunk transfers its horizontal energy to the box. This is really not an easy task.
                Sincerely.
              6. bazilio
                bazilio April 28 2013 19: 01
                0
                Quote: bunta
                Excuse me, but for a long time, excuse me again, laughed at this "point" and even PRESSURE

                This is good, laughter is useful))) I also thought for a long time how this point works. Along the way)))
                Thank you for the clarification
  • Naval
    Naval April 25 2013 19: 16
    +1
    Bravo!!! Thanks for the science. Respect.
    1. Castor oil
      Castor oil April 26 2013 18: 51
      0
      About "gaskets", especially elastic ones, it's certainly cool bully In this case, it will be possible to talk about the accuracy only in the context of "the dispersion of the jet, not exceeding the diameter of the toilet bowl" wink
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil April 26 2013 19: 35
        0
        Bedding Video:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzNRIOrwPJM
      2. Castor oil
        Castor oil April 26 2013 19: 36
        0
        Glass bedding video:
  • SAFON 1
    SAFON 1 16 September 2013 05: 44
    0
    Weapons with a suspended barrel usually have bipods for support, or a forearm separated from the barrel, which is not observed here.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 24 2013 10: 16
    0
    Quote: bunta
    In this regard, allegations of increased accuracy are justified.


    keen on shooting?
    1. bunta
      bunta April 24 2013 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: O_RUS
      keen on shooting?


      Small arms are my specialty by education.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 24 2013 11: 43
        0
        Can I ask you a question as a specialist, How did our grandfathers in the person of snipers win fights against their German colleagues? After all, they were armed with such "useless" weapons as Mosinka. And even now there is a lot of criticism in relation to our trunks. Although in my opinion, the problem is in the cartridges, and the quality of metal processing, assembly, is not bad. He brought our product to mind on his own.
        1. bunta
          bunta April 24 2013 13: 09
          16
          Who considers the Mosin rifle "useless"? "Kitchen" experts? wink
          I don’t even have anything to comment on. This is from the field of botany.
          I can’t use terms better or worse for a product. There are shooting tables, there are years of operation and reliability statistics, there are economic calculations - production costs, output, etc. That is, there are a bunch of clear parameters that you can trust and which you can compare. For some, accuracy is higher, for others, the cost price is lower. Everything. Next story. If a weapon finds its owner after a hundred years (not at all as an exhibit, but as a real tool) does this mean something?
          About the trunks - as parts of a weapon. All technologies for the production of trunks are widely known to everyone and there are no secrets in the production of both mass and piece trunks. When they say that someone has used something new in the manufacture of trunks and due to this has achieved tremendous success in accuracy or reliability, this is nonsense. Let them present the test results, then we'll talk.
          We have one problem in both ammunition and weapons - these are people.

          There are no teachers in educational institutions in the specialty - there are no high-quality specialists. A graduate of the rocket science department claims that in the USSR there were rockets that launched six (!) Cosmonauts at once. For this very reason, both the cartridges and the build quality and processing ...

          The same applies to ordinary workers. Conscience alone will not go far. And in the days of socialism there was such an aphorism - "You pretend that you pay us according to work, but we pretend that we work according to our ability."
          1. Castor oil
            Castor oil April 24 2013 18: 39
            +2
            Would the dates of the "useless" mosya be adapted to their needs in the 80s (if you have your own excellent saks trg, for example), and, moreover, not so long ago I read that they were not going to remove them from service, but launched a modernization program. I must say that in the presence of its own Finnish cartridges, this is a completely different shooting complex. good
            1. family tree
              family tree April 24 2013 21: 51
              +5
              Trunks for sniper Mosinok were selected during production, according to a number of criteria, from the general batch. Although, the sniper Nomokonov, removed the fascist from the usual Mosinki per kilometer, at the beginning of the war, without any optics. And he worked before the war as a hunter-trader, and they bought cartridges for their own, so they did not waste it in vain. So maybe it's not just a rifle?
            2. Castor oil
              Castor oil April 25 2013 00: 46
              +5
              From what garnu the picture dug up - the most in a subject !!! good
              And what pictures are not inserted !! ??
              Okay, to hell with him, I'll say with the words: "" "The Mosin rifle has been relevant since 1891, and your iPhone will be outdated in three months !!!" ""
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 24 2013 10: 52
    +4
    New life of old weapons!
    The simplicity and reliability of Mosin’s creation is the basis for the new life of this weapon.
  • Canep
    Canep April 24 2013 11: 00
    -1
    Yes, in my opinion this is a hunting weapon. Barrel length, lack of optics, and show-offs with a butt talk about it.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 24 2013 11: 41
      0
      lack of optician

      Lack, say?
    2. avt
      avt April 24 2013 13: 03
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      Yes, in my opinion this is a hunting weapon. Barrel length, lack of optics, and show-offs with a butt talk about it.

      I saw the picture exactly this sample with optics and bipod. good I understand the author’s nostalgia for classic weapons. But well done! Great old barrel tuned, perhaps even better than our OTs. Well right request than to languish over old trunks, and even more so stupidly to melt into metal - it’s better to redo it.
  • SIT
    SIT April 24 2013 11: 02
    +1
    Did not drive about optics. With the reload handle that optics aren’t in the picture. She is on the mosquito vertically upward when opening the shutter.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 24 2013 11: 45
      0
      Yes, you can put it there, you can. Here you are:
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 24 2013 12: 01
      +1
      Yes, you can put optics there! For some reason, the picture is not inserted.
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 25 2013 15: 59
      0
      For sniper "mosinki", the bolt handle was bent downwards so that when reloading it would not rest against the optics.
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 24 2013 11: 11
    +1
    A great example is that the classics are eternal. This is an indicator that nothing has been brought up in weapons over the last hundred years ... variations of the Mosin rifle or the Fedorov assault rifle. Now he will do a similar operation with SVT and get an excellent assault rifle.
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 24 2013 11: 16
    +2
    Advanced Technology (USA)
    1. Massik
      Massik April 24 2013 11: 35
      +1
      A much more acceptable option, nothing more, you won’t catch anything
      1. bazilio
        bazilio April 24 2013 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: Marssik
        A much more acceptable option, nothing more, you won’t catch anything


        This option looks more practical for hunting, and the option about which the article looks more like a military weapon.
        1. kaprall
          kaprall April 25 2013 17: 39
          0
          By the way, it’s a pity that they don’t remodel for hunting, which are in the warehouses of Mosinki-Naganovka. Rather, redo, but so disgusting ..
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 24 2013 11: 19
    +2
    Well, the video to the heap:
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 April 25 2013 00: 19
      0
      Class, thanks, now I finally understand what I want !!!
  • tol100v
    tol100v April 24 2013 11: 25
    0
    Whatever the child would amuse, if only he would bring money ...
  • tol100v
    tol100v April 24 2013 11: 32
    0
    Whatever the child would amuse, if only he would bring money ...
  • Massik
    Massik April 24 2013 11: 33
    0
    Designs like a father’s gun laughing In principle, all these lotions, adjustments are not really needed, it's a matter of habit, people shot at 2km without any polymers, laughing
  • -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- April 24 2013 11: 43
    +4
    Quote: Marssik
    people without any polymers fired at 2km, so get fit


    From the three-ruler? If you keep in mind that just a bullet flew 2 km. I believe, and if I mean aimed shooting with a hit, then I do not believe it.
    Even from target and sniper cartridges of a larger caliber from the corresponding barrels for 2 km. it’s quite problematic to shoot accurately, then from the usual three-ruler and even more so.
  • Argon
    Argon April 24 2013 11: 49
    -1
    But the archangels' creation seems to have changed the shutter. Judging by the video, where is the oddball with extraction indulging, or am I mistaken?
    1. bunta
      bunta April 24 2013 13: 13
      +4
      It demonstrates that rimmed cartridges reliably come from the store. A problem that even D.F.Dragunov in SVD did not solve by the way. And Konstantinov gave him his store.
      1. Argon
        Argon April 25 2013 03: 06
        -1
        yes h..r..e..n with him with the store on the shutter itself, look, or is there no drummer (removed) or another bolt?
  • redwar6
    redwar6 April 24 2013 11: 53
    +1
    The Americans were able to improve it, but we did not. Sadly somehow.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 23 June 2013 20: 21
      +1
      All the difference in the law on weapons.
      If we have such freedom with weapons ...
      And then a simple hunting is not always allowed to tune.
  • bazilio
    bazilio April 24 2013 12: 13
    +3
    I don’t know how anyone, but if I had the opportunity to own a three-line, on the contrary, I would try to maintain the original appearance
    1. Black
      Black April 24 2013 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: bazilio
      I don’t know how anyone, but if I had the opportunity to own a three-line, on the contrary, I would try to maintain the original appearance

      Boast repeat own it !!! I managed to buy it with a very good barrel, worked a little, and hung the bayonet (it looks cool!). Optics "Swarovski" .... What else is needed to meet old age! wink
      Comrade "Italian" for 120 thousand, but we see no difference.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio April 25 2013 09: 00
        0
        Quote: Chen
        I brag about own it !!!


        You can be envied by white envy.
        Have you not checked the history of your trilinear? Surely managed to fight with her
  • Forest
    Forest April 24 2013 12: 18
    +1
    I never liked the English lodges - inconvenient. IMHO - with a pistol grip is better.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio April 24 2013 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: Forest
      I never liked the English lodges - inconvenient. IMHO - with a pistol grip is better.

      Yes, but the English lodge is more convenient for bayonet fighting.
      But the most important thing is to make it easier and faster, which means cheaper. This is probably the main argument.
      1. Forest
        Forest April 24 2013 15: 01
        +1
        The eternal dispute between convenience and economy - the importance of neither one nor the other is impossible to deny.
        1. bazilio
          bazilio April 24 2013 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: Forest
          The eternal debate between convenience and economy


          another version, the three-ruler was adopted in 1891. probably the English lodge inherited from its predecessors, muzzle-loading rifles of the beginning / middle of the 19th century. Likely in those days a lodge like a monte carlo (with a pistol grip) was the lot of hunting trunks
      2. Zynaps
        Zynaps April 24 2013 19: 52
        +2
        Quote: bazilio
        Yes, but the English lodge is more convenient for bayonet fighting.


        and not only bayonet. the rifle at the front was supposed to have another purpose - the ability of soldiers in the chain to use as a barrier against a cavalry attack.
  • Cutter
    Cutter April 24 2013 14: 06
    +4
    "Hans" and "Klaus" had a very bad time in attacks. The three-line of the Red Army soldiers, unlike submachine guns, cut out the advancing chains from two lines of defense. Wonderful weapons, our hunters know a lot about weapons. A semi-shell bullet from the first shot of our Kamchatka bear sits on the ass. There you look at one cartridge, toss it in your hand and you feel the power. Now it is a cartridge for a PC machine gun.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 24 2013 22: 04
      +5
      "Hans" and "Claus", for the most part with Kar.98k went to the attack
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 24 2013 15: 20
    10 th
    I remember my grandfather had a mosin rifle rifle
    1. washi
      washi April 24 2013 15: 56
      +8
      And who are you by nationality, if you write with errors and your Mosin rifle as a trophy?
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets April 24 2013 15: 35
    +5
    The author, strange. His toad would strangle. So do not buy or write. I have two mosinki, I put the optics on one myself. SUPER !!!! I go with her on a roe deer! Just beautiful !! 200 dollars is easy for such a barrel. yes
    1. scrabler
      April 24 2013 18: 35
      +3
      You probably did not understand, 200 dead raccoons are for plastic only smile In general, the taste and color, I would not change the appearance of such weapons.
      1. avt
        avt April 24 2013 20: 49
        0
        Quote: scrabler
        In general, the taste and color, I would not change the appearance of such weapons.

        This is for the collection, no questions asked. But in terms of practical use, the hardware is not yet obsolete! And to have it in a convenient version for use is quite worthy to follow. And the unit you showed request well, nothing at all good , and the newcomers will not yield.
  • washi
    washi April 24 2013 16: 01
    +1
    Cheap, reliable mechanism. And any canopies. Mauser 98 is more common, but less amenable to manual processing. If our rockets on the knee of the Arabs sculpt, then there’s no talk of shooting at all.
  • Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych April 24 2013 16: 25
    +1
    Plastic gives the weapon a cheap look. It would be better to "dress" the rifle in mahogany. It would be nice.
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 April 24 2013 22: 23
      0
      If you use the gun for its intended purpose and go hunting with it. Then in a couple of weeks this tree will no longer be red, but gray-brown-raspberry speckled. Plastic should be used on utilitarian weapons, it is not afraid of water.
      1. SAFON 1
        SAFON 1 16 September 2013 05: 39
        0
        Mahogany is not afraid of anything at all, but zukko is expensive and heavy.
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 25 2013 00: 51
      +1
      The point is not so much in beauty as in practicality. If in a collection, then maybe it’s worth it. And if you use it on a hunt, it is better to rearrange it on plastic. Monte Carlo, there in the photo above, the best option. Well, for snipers, all regulated matters are probably better.
  • Mister X
    Mister X April 24 2013 16: 26
    +1
    Quote: Karavan
    I do not understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?


    And who are you going to beat?
    Roe deer, wild boar or bear?
    1. Peacemaker
      Peacemaker April 25 2013 06: 40
      +2
      Roe deer is still possible, but a bear with a wild boar is dangerous; wink
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 23 June 2013 20: 31
        0
        Yes, how to say ...
        The nose of the bear and the nickle of the boar are tender things.
        There were stories that a hit in the nose or nickel with the butt of the hunters saved their lives.
        It was not possible to get the beast in this way, but to interrupt hand-to-hand combat with a wounded beast is quite.
        One lucky one (without a hand) said that the bear, with a butt strike in his nose, pitifully shrieked his paw, waved away from himself, turned around and fled to the taiga. Then he doesn’t remember. But his friend found and dragged him to the hospital. There, a hand crushed by a wave of paws was taken away.
  • rudolff
    rudolff April 24 2013 17: 26
    +5
    Mosinka also managed to fight in Afghanistan. Our snipers often used it instead of the SVD. Sometimes she just had no alternative. Especially when it was necessary to get spirits, which with their "boers" hunted for ours almost from a kilometer away. In fact, there were no other bolts at that time.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 April 24 2013 19: 26
    +3
    This design of the rifle is interesting and worthy of attention. But this is not enough. The Mosin rifle lacks a good reliable base for mounting an optical sight. And it does not have enough buyers. In Russia, they can be counted on the fingers, but in the United States, almost every hunter has such a weapon. And after all, they have not yet shot each other, that's what is surprising!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 25 2013 16: 06
      +1
      Still ahead.
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 23 June 2013 20: 33
      0
      Something on the fingers?
      In one store for mosquitoes released up to 50g turn.
      Although more modern are free.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 24 2013 19: 33
    +2
    A good reliable rifle, like a sniper rifle applies by the way so far
  • Chebyran
    Chebyran April 24 2013 21: 01
    0
    No one was confused by the weight of this unit? 228 grams is somehow not enough.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 24 2013 22: 07
      +1
      Me, at first, but it looks like the weight of plastic.
  • Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 April 24 2013 22: 13
    +1
    Mouth Front.
    Of course, I understand everything, but SO disfigure a rifle of amazing beauty - it's just ... talent is needed, no less.
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 24 2013 23: 57
    +1
    I liked it! Maybe I'm wrong, but I like the modern design of weapons. It is a pity that we are not the legislators of weapons aesthetics. And what about the rifle (if you correct something) in the photo you can see that the power is supplied from a removable magazine, which makes it unnecessary to equip the rifle (in the sniper version) with one cartridge each (the sight above the receiver and you cannot insert a clip). Although you still have to change the bend of the handle (on sniper versions, the handle is bent down). A colleague PSih2097 has a more classic version (well, why again amers?). And I am quietly surprised: a reliable, not expensive, accurate, long-range, technological sniper rifle, which proved this right, is completely ignored. Why? they say it's out of date! The question is what? Well, redo the fuse, install the barrel from new steels, and during the war years sniper trunks were selected separately. But beautiful and hypostasis and redone, well, really want to have. Next to the SCS will look good.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio April 25 2013 17: 05
      0
      Quote: Navy7981
      the photo shows that the power is supplied from a removable magazine, which removes the need to equip a rifle (in a sniper version) with one cartridge each (the sight above the receiver and you cannot insert a clip)

      You're not right. Mosin sniper variants were selected from among the usual three-rulers, which showed the best results. There was no detachable store, a sniper mosquito on 1 round was loaded, which is not so critical for sniper weapons.
      1. uzer 13
        uzer 13 April 26 2013 16: 33
        0
        There was still a cartridge cut-off device, if you go to the store, there may be problems with the feed.
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus April 29 2013 16: 00
        0
        Plus, the sniper Mosinok had, unlike the simple curved shutter handle (the mass has a straight one) wink Himself on an urgent in the 92nd had a chance with Mosinsky carbine in the taiga for three months rummage)))))
  • Containers
    Containers April 25 2013 01: 03
    0
    Quote: bunta
    A graduate of the rocket science department claims in the USSR there were rockets that launched six (!) Cosmonauts at once


    Energia-Buran - up to 10 people. Another thing is that Buran did not have manned launches. So if a person said that "there were launches of 6 people" - yes, nonsense. And if it sounded "there were media that COULD launch six at once" - then he didn't really lie.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 23 June 2013 20: 36
      0
      There was also the Pegasus project.
      Now under a new name it is untwisted.
      Just for 6 people.
      The new head part to the carrier Union.
      His power was enough for this.
  • papik09
    papik09 April 25 2013 06: 15
    0
    Quote: Karavan
    I do not understand, and how to beat the enemy with such a butt?


    If you carefully read the text of the article, you should have understood that this sample was not combat, but hunting. Well, somewhere like that, here. wassat
  • Hort
    Hort April 25 2013 10: 32
    +2
    if they still do so that the store from SVD \ Tiger fits - you can take it!)
  • Castor oil
    Castor oil April 25 2013 11: 30
    0
    Quote: bazilio
    Quote: Castor_ka
    Unambiguously posted, and along the entire length


    But can a shaft be hung not over its entire length?
    "Freely hung barrel" means that the barrel is attached to the weapon by the breech and does not come into contact with the stock and other elements of the weapon.

    I do not exclude that this trilinear has a freely hung trunk, it’s just difficult to judge from the photo. For example, Blazer Cp 93, you can immediately see what a freely hung trunk is.
    [img] https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkn84b9XFuCcMnwkNncgj

    1_D_-BQE74xZlbOUPvvD0buBaOk7N [/ img]
    However, there are examples where you can’t immediately determine that the trunk is hung out. For example HK MSG90

    The barrel can be hung out and not "absolutely" along the entire length, so there is a lot of factory or self-made glass and pilar bedding, no matter how far (0 or 50 mm) the receiver "bed" protrudes beyond the recoil paw or a similar element - the trunk is considered posted over the entire length
  • Kir
    Kir April 25 2013 19: 29
    0
    Everything, no matter what, BUT why DO NOT WE do it, but let the adversaries profit? do what you want with me, but I can't understand the logic of "ours". With regards to the same plastic. not his supporter at all, I just perfectly realize that a normal plastic, at least comparable to a tree, will hardly be cheaper than a tree, if not more expensive, and even about a natural superior in quality, it's easy to talk about the price.
    1. bunta
      bunta April 25 2013 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: Kir
      BUT why NOT WE do it

      Because the return on capital invested in production is low or none at all.
      1. Kir
        Kir April 25 2013 20: 50
        0
        Well, if we are guided by this logic, by the way, some follow it, let's push everything to China, and only on paper at the offices what time to hang up and hang on social networks, and besides, what to put in the price of the product if there is exorbitant top-management with its salaries and by the devidents. and even kickbacks to the right people, it’s easier not to start anything at all.
        1. bunta
          bunta April 25 2013 21: 59
          +1
          This is not logic. This is the statistics:

          http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/78890/

          http://www.interfax.ru/business/txt.asp?id=300681
          1. Kir
            Kir April 25 2013 22: 08
            0
            Let me and you that you don’t know what is this saying:
            -There is a blatant lie, but there is an average
            Yes, anyone who understands you will say that with statistical data oh how good to operate !!!
            1. bunta
              bunta April 25 2013 22: 21
              +1
              In any case, these are specific figures explaining why we do not tune the Mosin rifle. Other causes of this problem I refer to the field of sacred, esoteric, botanical and worldwide Jewish conspiracy. I am not a specialist in these areas.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 23 June 2013 20: 42
        0
        Yeah, the profitability of 2-4% is certainly small .. For the Russian legal business.
        50% is much more interesting ...

        Although the enemy mafia and 3% profitability is quite attractive to sell my mother.
  • Naval
    Naval April 25 2013 19: 33
    +2
    The fact that this rifle has been used for so many years speaks for itself. which means it is CLASSIC.
  • imrek_ua
    imrek_ua 24 May 2013 16: 48
    0
    Great invented! To sell the old weapons to the Americans, let them shoot each other slowly. The old woman continues to serve the motherland.
  • SAFON 1
    SAFON 1 16 September 2013 06: 34
    -1
    Its official name is the Russian three-line rifle of the 1891 model. This name was in circulation until the 30s. After modification, the surname Nagant was erased and received a "truly Soviet rifle". For all its positive qualities, the rifle turned out to be not very convenient, with a lot of flaws and without the possibility of modernization. Shooting from a rifle was supposed with a bayonet attached, otherwise the bullet would lead to the right. The straight stem of the bolt would often snag on the harness straps. The cartridge used assumed only an inline magazine. Subsequently, replacing the stock from walnut to birch led to a change in the geometry of the barrel. All the disadvantages were covered by cheapness, ease of operation and undemanding to operating conditions and the quality of ammunition.