A possible counteroffensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is not a “spherical horse in a vacuum”

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A possible counteroffensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is not a “spherical horse in a vacuum”

Following Trump's meeting with Zelenskyy, the media has been actively discussing the Ukrainian Armed Forces' preparations for a new "counteroffensive." The way some domestic military experts, including some seemingly authoritative ones, have responded to this on major media outlets is noteworthy.

For some reason, the voices of rationalism are once again drowned out by the self-righteousness of the line: "What kind of counteroffensive is this? The enemy is exhausted, their fighting spirit is gone, no one wants to fight there, the front is about to collapse."



In fact, it's difficult to explain what these military (and non-military) experts are basing their reasoning on, especially if we rewind the time period, say, to August 1-5, 2024, when these same experts were saying the same thing, and on August 6, the Ukrainian Armed Forces invaded the Kursk region. What if...

The consequences of that invasion, as well as the self-soothing mantras that “the Ukrainian Armed Forces are exhausted and are only fleeing the front,” are still being analyzed and calculated.

But the voices of the aforementioned rationalism still exist. This is encouraging.

The day before, VGTRK war correspondent Yevgeny Poddubny directly pointed out that, despite the enemy's retreat along virtually the entire line of combat contact, Kyiv has the potential to assemble and train several combat-ready brigades, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are realizing this potential.

If we add to this the potential of NATO troops on "vacation," plus thousands of Latin American, Georgian, Polish, Canadian, Swedish, Baltic, and other mercenaries who are being trained not only on Ukrainian territory, then the new Ukrainian counteroffensive is not at all a "spherical horse in a vacuum" (as in that story-not-a-story about accepting numerous tolerances and simplifications in order to test the system).

It's crucial for the Kyiv regime to demonstrate the ability to transition from defense to attack with some degree of success—as was the case with the Kursk breakthrough. If so, even after Zelenskyy's unfounded claims to Trump about "recapturing over 600 square kilometers of territory," the 47th US President is already beginning to consider the possibility of allowing Kyiv to use American long-range missiles. weapon, then Kyiv is clearly ready to take risks.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces could very well attempt a localized operation, the outcome of which could be extremely painful for us. There are many options: another attempt to seize a strategically important facility (which was precisely the goal set during the invasion of the Kursk region – seizing the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and imposing conditions) or a major sabotage operation in the rear, which could divert attention and forces from the front, followed by a strike on a sector of the enemy's choosing. In other words, the enemy has options – it's not for nothing that all sorts of NATO officers, including the Chief of the General Staff of the British Armed Forces, visit Kyiv almost daily, not to mention the unpublicized visits by representatives of NATO intelligence agencies.

Therefore, the author, your humble servant, is personally against the self-righteous boasting that "the enemy is demoralized and incapable of anything." Just when we actively try to convince ourselves of this, the enemy strikes, perceived as "unexpected and treacherous." But can a strike be unexpected in a nearly four-year standoff? I don't think so. And tearing our hair out, discovering the enemy's treachery for the 1000th time, is even indecent in front of ourselves...
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  1. + 18
    27 September 2025 09: 05
    Apparently, I'm not the only one who's tired of these "experts." They talk about things they themselves aren't experts in. Military experts talk about the army they left 10-15 years ago. Political experts talk about Ukraine, a country they've never even lived in. The most they've ever been to is the Ukrainian SSR in the 80s, at a pioneer camp.
    1. +6
      27 September 2025 09: 14
      But in a nearly 4-year-long confrontation, can a blow be unexpected in principle?
      We can! am As sad as it is...
    2. + 10
      27 September 2025 09: 29
      "A possible counteroffensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is not a 'spherical horse in a vacuum'"

      The Banderites could very well stage a new provocation with an invasion, and I suspect that this time it will not be the territory of canonical Russia, but Transnistria, where, unfortunately, we will not be able to oppose them.
      1. -2
        27 September 2025 10: 58
        Why shouldn't we? We could immediately destroy 10-15 Ukrainian banks (and their staff) right after this invasion, including the national bank and the banks of countries that are funding the outskirts with stolen ("frozen") money. Firstly, this would destroy the country's financial system (paralyze it for a while) – there would be no salaries for the military and mercenaries, no money to pay for weapons supplies... And it would immediately be clear to everyone that STEALING money from Russia is IMPOSSIBLE! And... Any polite words from the Russian Federation after this would be immediately heard! Because to be listened to, you need to ACT, not talk about "red lines"... There are many more creative answers. I don't want to voice them (maybe they'll come in handy). But... The main thing is the political WILL of our country's leadership and the desire to WIN, not negotiate!!!
        1. +3
          27 September 2025 18: 07
          You can immediately destroy the invasion to hell

          Why they didn't do it earlier is a rhetorical question. Therefore, there won't be any attacks on strategic decision-making centers, and don't expect the destruction of deep-government financial institutions.
        2. +3
          28 September 2025 17: 43
          All key electronic operations (servers) have been moved from Ukraine to Poland and other NATO countries. Therefore, your plan is useless.
          1. +2
            30 September 2025 20: 30
            1. If that were the case, there wouldn't be any need for offices at all (would Polish banks handle military salaries, utilities, internal payments and settlements in Ukraine?). And, by the way, not all data, even about budget transactions, is posted online.
            2. A strike against the banks of countries stealing our money will confirm the seriousness of our intentions and explain that Russian money CANNOT be touched!!!
        3. +1
          29 September 2025 14: 13
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          Why shouldn't we? We could immediately destroy 10-15 Ukrainian banks (and their staff) right after this invasion, including the national bank and the banks of countries that are funding the outskirts with stolen ("frozen") money. Firstly, this would destroy the country's financial system (paralyze it for a while) – there would be no salaries for the military and mercenaries, no money to pay for weapons supplies... And it would immediately be clear to everyone that STEALING money from Russia is IMPOSSIBLE! And... Any polite words from the Russian Federation after this would be immediately heard! Because to be listened to, you need to ACT, not talk about "red lines"... There are many more creative answers. I don't want to voice them (maybe they'll come in handy). But... The main thing is the political WILL of our country's leadership and the desire to WIN, not negotiate!!!


          Banks have been electronic for a long time.
          Even here, with thousands of Sber offices, it is the most electronic.
          Destroy all the offices, people under 60 won't even notice.
          Only individual pensioners.
          1. +1
            30 September 2025 20: 40
            Not even here. Sberbank is truly "the most electronic"; not all banks in the world are so digitalized. But if its central office were suddenly destroyed, that would also cause payment chaos for at least a month... Therefore, I consider attacks on Ukraine's National Bank a very NECESSARY undertaking (especially now, when our "frozen" money is being used to finance the war against us).
            1. 0
              1 October 2025 07: 50
              How does it work? You go to the cashier in Kyiv and swipe your card. The data is sent via Starlink to Poland or another European country. From there, you receive confirmation that everything is OK/not OK, and the payment has been made/cash has been withdrawn from the ATM. Where in this chain is there even a single bank office in Ukraine? Even a power outage couldn't completely disable this system, as there are generators.
              1. 0
                26 October 2025 00: 38
                When you have money on your card, everything is almost perfect... But someone has to deposit it for it to appear on the card. There are agreements with banks for this procedure. And it works specifically through offices... Of course, you can re-register everything and pay salaries through Western banks. But... that takes time and money... And the hryvnia will have to be abolished. Or will the Poles pay the Ukrainians' salaries in hryvnia?
      2. 0
        27 September 2025 11: 22
        The counteroffensive could also take the form of localized strikes, quite possibly even near the border with Belarus.
        Poles and Balts can contribute as "volunteers".
        It's also quite possible that AWACS aircraft will be active, engaging in massive jamming. Drone armadas, including naval ones, will also be present. It's clear that there will be sabotage, even on a large scale.
        It is difficult to organize a full-fledged (classical) one - there is a lack of aviation, engineering (sapper, pontoon, etc.) battalions.
        The Russian Armed Forces are unable to organize a sabotage/railroad war in Ukraine, which is essential for thwarting the enemy's plans.
      3. 0
        28 September 2025 23: 56
        Transnistria
        What does this give them at the strategic level?
    3. + 13
      27 September 2025 10: 03
      Unfortunately, all these "experts" still irritate the eyes with their well-groomed, fat faces on the screens of federal channels.
      1. +3
        27 September 2025 15: 39
        Quote: Enotovich
        "Experts" still irritate everyone with their well-groomed, fat faces on the screens of federal channels.

        They feed off the war... fat faces... He talked them out of it - blah, blah, blah, blah - a pretty penny fell into his pocket. He went to another show... Not long ago I was wondering why there are no guys from the SVO on these shows. Okay, the active ones can't. For obvious reasons. There are those who have been retired due to injuries. And finally, there are guys from the program - "Time of Heroes". It's interesting to hear their opinions.
      2. +4
        27 September 2025 17: 15
        Unfortunately, all these "experts" still irritate the eyes with their well-groomed, fat faces on the screens of federal channels.

        Well, unfortunately, not all experts are allowed on TV. What exactly do you mean by experts? So, what do you think: will the Ukrainian Armed Forces strike or not? I think they could recruit another force of 30-50 and strike unexpectedly, in an unexpected place. What then? And what should we do?
        There's already been an example. And not entirely unexpected. The notorious Yu Podolyaka wrote about this (Kursk) in advance.
      3. 0
        29 September 2025 07: 40
        For these fellow citizens of ours, this is a way to make money. Do you know how much they pay for each such appearance on air?
        So they wander from program to program, from channel to channel.
        That's why the truth is somewhere in the middle.
    4. -4
      27 September 2025 10: 29
      I don't even understand who saw any support for the Banderites in Trump's words. I think Donnie was openly making fun of the Banderites))) "You guys are so cool, you can reach the 1991 levels—does anyone believe that?))) and even go further)) why do you need our help—you're doing just fine)))" Donnie is just making fun, but his words are taken seriously. I want to remind you that the greenie isn't just some obscure jerk who gets in Trump's way and prevents him from winning the Nobel Prize. He's Trump's personal enemy. In 2019, the greenie had damning dirt on Biden; there were people who could have gone to the US and testified against Biden under oath. And then, in 2020, Biden would have gone to prison, not the White House. Instead, Donnie was dragged through the courts for four years like a mangy dog ​​and almost jailed. Do you think Trump forgot that?
    5. + 16
      27 September 2025 10: 58
      As the experience of the SVO shows, having a military education, high-ranking stars, and high-ranking positions doesn't preclude cases like the Kharkiv "regroupment," the Kursk "drug force expulsion," and so on. Military art isn't about pocketing budget cash; it requires thinking. If the "professionals" are like, say, Siluanov or Nabiullina in economics, then disastrous results are inevitable. Incidentally, the Titanic was built and piloted by professionals, while the Ark was built and piloted by an amateur, and the results are very different. Incidentally, if there's a lump of a characteristic color and odor lying on the path, you don't need to be a biologist to identify it.
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    7. + 11
      27 September 2025 13: 45
      Alexander Staver is a shining example of such an "expert" at VO. laughing
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        1. 0
          27 September 2025 18: 27
          So what should the Kursk tragedy teach the "kvass patriots"?

          Complaints about the Command Post's analysis of the beginning of the invasion of the Kursk region were raised, as there were reports of a concentration of Ukrainian Armed Forces troops on the border, reconnaissance in force by Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups, and, the icing on the cake, the creation of defensive fortifications.
          Honor and praise to the Russian soldiers who repelled the enemy, if only the mistakes made had not been made, the losses would have been less.
          1. -2
            28 September 2025 12: 51
            Quote: Sensor
            Claims against the KP in the analysis of the beginning of the invasion of the Kursk region

            "Analysis of the beginning" is not for the Command Post. It's for the General Staff.
            Quote: Sensor
            The icing on the cake is the creation of defensive structures.

            And this is to the Kursk region administration
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      1. -12
        27 September 2025 10: 54
        You're trying to prove something to the wrong person. He's the one with all the "weaknesses," starting with the country's leadership and the army; he's the one with the "Kremlin towers" who's "rotted away," and everything's been squandered. And, in general, he's a "Kuban collective farmer" who's been sitting on this website for years, slinging mud at anyone who doesn't whine and sneer like him.
        1. +2
          27 September 2025 13: 25
          Speaking of the collective farm, they died of hunger without a village. Or are you hoping for Bush's infamous legs with Turkish tomatoes... Yeah?
      2. + 10
        27 September 2025 11: 40
        Apparently, you and your ilk don't care about the dead civilians of the Kursk region.
        1. -11
          27 September 2025 11: 45
          Quote: Gardamir
          Apparently, you and your ilk don't care about the dead civilians of the Kursk region.

          Where did I say that? I adore people like you, Gardamir. First, you put your own phrase in someone else's mouth. And then indignantly refute it.
          1. +8
            27 September 2025 11: 53
            Where did I say that?
            Is not it so?
            The invasion of the Kursk region ended very tragically for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
            1. -14
              27 September 2025 11: 55
              Quote: Gardamir
              Is not it so?
              The invasion of the Kursk region ended very tragically for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

              So, did the Ukrainian Armed Forces break out of the Kursk region victorious? Why is there so much wailing in the Ukrainian swamps?
              1. + 12
                27 September 2025 11: 58
                I ask for the thousandth time, why are you ignoring the deaths of the local population? You don't think about them at all.
                1. -17
                  27 September 2025 12: 08
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  I ask for the thousandth time, why are you ignoring the deaths of the local population?

                  Why do you consider the lives of civilians more valuable than the lives of soldiers?
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  You don't think about them at all.

                  Does what you think or don't think change anything? And you thought war was just us versus them? That's not how it works.
                  1. 0
                    15 October 2025 04: 02
                    Quote: Winnie76
                    Why do you consider the lives of civilians more valuable than the lives of soldiers?

                    That's the essence of military service! And if a soldier begins to consider civilian lives less valuable than his own, he becomes a bandit.
                    1. 0
                      15 October 2025 19: 32
                      A commander receives an order from his superiors. Do you think the life of a soldier or a passing civilian is more valuable to the commander in carrying it out?
                      Welcome to real life.
              2. +6
                27 September 2025 20: 08
                So, did the Ukrainian Armed Forces escape from the Kursk region with a victory?

                Do you seriously believe that such an operation by a small country against a powerful Russia is not a political victory for them? laughing laughing
                And our hasty transfer of troops to plug the holes is their defeat?
                And the fact that THEN we “pushed them out” is good, but to think that if it weren’t for THEIR successes in Kursk, the offensive would not have happened is laughing laughing laughing

                But the logic is sound (well-deserved, as they say). If they hadn't retreated to Moscow in 41 with terrible losses, they would never have taken Berlin!
                1. -2
                  28 September 2025 12: 45
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  Do you seriously believe that such an operation by a small country against a powerful Russia is not a political victory for them?

                  It's a trade-off. A minor political jab at a military victory. And after the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been kicked out, the jab is now in the opposite direction.
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  And our hasty transfer of troops to plug the holes is their defeat?

                  Well, yeah. Did they just leave there themselves? At first, they did everything they could along the 25x25 patch. And then whoever made it in time ran away.
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  And the fact that THEN we “pushed them out” is good, but to think that if it weren’t for THEIR successes in Kursk, the offensive would not have happened is

                  Dear Tsvet, please add more emoticons. It significantly strengthens your argument. First, I wrote "possibly." Because of logic. I'll try to explain the logical chain. Destruction of reserves (in the Kursk region) ===inability to plug the holes ===front breakthrough ===enemy retreat.
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  If they hadn’t retreated to Moscow in 41 with terrible losses, they would never have taken Berlin!

                  This is your version of logic. Here medicine is powerless.
                2. -3
                  29 September 2025 09: 35
                  1. The Kursk breakthrough wasn't achieved solely by Ukrainian forces. Even in terms of personnel, many were professional mercenaries. Plus, intelligence and communications were provided by "curators."
                  2. A transfer from where? From Donbas? Did it even happen? Ukraine was counting on the Russian Armed Forces transferring troops from the LBS to the Kursk region, allowing the Ukrainians to launch an offensive in other areas of the LBS. The calculation failed, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces' strategy failed.
                  3. On Zelenskyy's orders, the Ukrainian Armed Forces transferred their best reserves to the Kursk region, exposing and depriving their units in other areas of support... yes, this created the conditions for the activation of Russian units - so, yes!
                  4. And regarding WWII, you're also right. For the Red Army in 1941, retreat was the only correct strategy. And Operation Barbarossa was based on the premise that almost the entire Red Army would be destroyed in border battles, after which Wehrmacht units would advance to Moscow and even beyond, encountering virtually no resistance. But the vigorous, victorious march all the way to Moscow never materialized. The Germans failed to meet the deadline, and their losses were far greater than expected when they approached Moscow. And it turned out that the Red Army did have fresh reserves after all...
                  Survive the first, most difficult round to create the conditions for knocking out your opponent in the last round.
              3. 0
                3 October 2025 12: 10
                Everything is relative: for some, the raid into the Kursk region is a success—that's the junta—but for the relatives of the 70 killed and wounded Ukrainian soldiers, it's a tragedy. There's no point in denying our losses; they're very heavy.
          2. -6
            27 September 2025 15: 42
            Quote: Winnie76
            Gardamir

            Comrade who hates the Russian people, Russia.
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      3. +6
        27 September 2025 12: 07
        Quote: Winnie76
        First, the invasion of the Kursk region ended very badly for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is what 95% of Ukrainian bloggers are crying about.

        We remember how it ended for the Banderites. And how it ended for tens of thousands of our residents. How many were killed, tortured, how many were taken away for unknown purposes (most likely the most vile). Banderites and foreign mercenaries acted against civilians in the same way as the Nazi invaders did during the Great Patriotic War. You most likely don't live in Russia; perhaps you're a member of the "golden" youth or a schoolchild, if that's your way of thinking.
        1. -14
          27 September 2025 12: 17
          Quote: Third District
          We remember how it ended for the Banderites.

          Do you remember? The defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. I understand, it's such a trifle.
          Quote: Third District
          And how did it end for tens of thousands of our residents?

          Millions, really. Maybe it's enough to spread this Ukrainian nonsense. 331 dead, according to Bastrykin.
          Quote: Third District
          You most likely don’t live in Russia, perhaps you are a representative of the “golden” youth or a schoolchild, if that’s how you reason.

          Theories are pouring out like a murky stream. Stop before they all get washed away.
          Quote: Third District
          Bandera supporters and foreign mercenaries acted against civilians in the same way as the fascist invaders did during the Great Patriotic War.

          Thanks for the valuable information, Captain Obvious.
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        2. -1
          1 October 2025 01: 01
          Quote: Third District
          How many were killed, tortured, how many were taken away for unknown purposes (most likely the most vile).

          The main thing was that we managed to hold the army together. The casualties were mostly those who didn't make the effort to evacuate themselves. But another lesson: if the Ukrainians win, they'll wipe out the Russians completely, and it's better to die against them in battle than to suffer a painful death at their hands after being humiliated and abused.
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        1. -6
          27 September 2025 14: 19
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          That you cannot underestimate the enemy, and not wave your saber when there is nothing to support your warlike ardor with.

          Why project your own worldview onto others? Why do you think the General Staff underestimates the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Is that what you feel? Did Podolyaka from the bathhouse say that?

          The assessments/underestimations/overestimations of "kvass patriots" have virtually no impact on the situation. Neither does waving a saber/white flag/purple dildo by other citizens. So what's the point of your "lessons for kvass patriots"?
      5. +4
        27 September 2025 23: 24
        So what should the Kursk tragedy teach these "kvass patriots"? Please be more specific.

        First. The so-called "kvass patriots" will learn nothing because they operate according to a "playbook" and have neither seen nor heard that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were met by a weak, under-equipped Russian army in the Sudzhan sector. Conscripts and contract soldiers often ran out of ammunition and either escaped encirclement through the forests or were captured. There was a shortage of heavier weapons.
        Second, the Russian army learns from its mistakes, no matter what.
        Third, it was obvious that there was a shortage of both fighters and weapons, since the Koreans were asked to provide them.
        Fourth, the breakthrough to Sudzha became possible as a result of the failure of the offensive near Volchansk and Liptsy, which stalled, and the reason for this remains unclear.
        1. -4
          28 September 2025 12: 25
          Dear Alexey.
          First, what do "kvass patriots" have to do with all these problems? Why don't you blame the aforementioned problems on the whiners, the shawarma vendors, and the bus drivers? Why aren't aliens included?
          Be realistic: any ammunition supply always runs out one way or another. Every infantryman wants to have a tank regiment at his side, or better yet, in front, which is related to the lack of heavy weapons.
          Regarding the third point. As far as I understand, the Koreans themselves requested it. Kursk Oblast is the only place where they could participate without international repercussions.
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          The breakthrough to Sudzha became possible as a result of the failure of the offensive near Volchansk and Liptsy, which stalled and why this happened remains unclear.

          This point is obvious. You don't understand it because you're an amateur and don't have the necessary information. What a killer combo!
  3. -4
    27 September 2025 09: 21
    "Clouds gather gloomy on the border, the Russian land is shrouded in silence! That night, the Bandar-log decided to cross the border at the river! But intelligence reported accurately! And off they went, swept up by command, across their native Novorossiysk soil, an armored shock battalion! The damned Bandar-log fled back under the onslaught of steel and fire! And they were finished off! (The song is a guarantee of that!).....................................This is how it should be! And not reasoning: A horse is spherical in a vacuum or a gelding is cubic in acetone!
    1. +2
      27 September 2025 12: 19
      Well, first of all, you slightly crumpled the song... smile
      Secondly, it should have been like this, but it wasn't. Except in propaganda films like "If War Breaks Out Tomorrow."
      Thirdly, we all want a perfect Victory. Forgetting that the LBS is full of exactly the same people. On our side. And then there are the same people on the enemy's side, too. And each of them can make mistakes.
      Fourthly, I'm personally not sure the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to mount an offensive, given that they're constantly plugging holes in their defenses by transferring reinforcements from one direction to another. Besides, I hope we don't make the same mistakes twice.
  4. +7
    27 September 2025 09: 24
    "...almost every day, all sorts of NATO officers, including the Commander-in-Chief of the General Staff of the British Armed Forces, visit Kyiv."
    So how does this happen? Why not hit these "tourists" with an Iskander to teach them a lesson? Maybe that would bring the West to its senses?
    1. + 10
      27 September 2025 09: 59
      Well, they did strike recently. And what was the point? They probably killed a hundred. The Iskander isn't a 10-megaton nuclear strike. And the enemy isn't idiots, they're not standing in dense crowds, waiting for us to deign to hit them.
      Even the much-hyped "hazelnut" won't help here. Unless, of course, we use them by the thousands.
      While whipping up the hoopla, our propaganda does the opposite. They shout that we have unparalleled, all-destructive weapons. And then the people don't understand why, after a couple of strikes, there are still people alive in the 404 zone.
    2. +8
      27 September 2025 10: 13
      It's not the experts' fault. Experts merely express the public's "wants." They're not experts, they're storytellers. But storytellers and those like the author of this article are afraid, or unwilling, to say A and then say B. And this B is that we're fighting an army that's in every way equal to ours. Why this happened, historians will tell us in ten years. We can justify it by saying we're fighting the entire NATO bloc. But the fact remains. Therefore, the goals set at the beginning of the Central Military District are unattainable because they require the enemy to admit defeat. And now it's a draw. And in the future, too. There's no way to speed things up. Our leadership understands this. Therefore, it pursues a policy of negotiations, where each side seeks to negotiate less offensive terms for itself. But these are equal parties. That's what we agreed on. Downvote!
      1. +4
        27 September 2025 10: 29
        Korsakov, why the downvote right away? I agree with you—I upvoted. But one logical question arises: starting with the Central Military District, we should have thought about the prospects for its completion. The concept of "denazification" is too vague. There are no specifics. What do we want from Ukraine, and what will we do with it then? Feed it again, like Berlin in 45?
        1. +5
          27 September 2025 15: 54
          "Sitting at the helm and watching, not seeing anything, until circumstances thrust our noses into some kind of disaster, does not mean leading. Bolshevism does not understand leadership that way. To lead, one must foresee, and foreseeing, comrades, is not always easy."
          Stalin. Vol. 11, p. 35
      2. +8
        27 September 2025 11: 17
        It's a draw now only because, for some reason, we're fighting the army (the deprived people) of the Outskirts, not its leadership. We want to disorganize and destroy the financial system, paralyze communications, eliminate the Outskirts leadership, and create a climate of internal strife. These objectives aren't being set, or they're being carried out very poorly! But we're constantly trying to "bargain for less offensive terms" and paying for it with the lives of our men! Yes, if we fight only the army, we won't win... Because they're attacking our rear, and we're not attacking theirs (their rear is in Europe, and we're very selective even when it comes to Ukrainian targets)... And most importantly, they don't believe we're serious about WIN! We're always trying to negotiate... We need to take ACTIONS that will make them want to negotiate with us and not rush to respond!
        1. -1
          27 September 2025 11: 38
          Why, why? For the same reason. That the GUR can't organize something like what you listed in Russia. Clearly, they can. They managed to organize the shelling of our airfield literally in the middle of nowhere, and they blew up the Crimean Bridge. But, characteristically, without fanaticism. That's why GUM is still standing, the Mausoleum is intact. Just kidding. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. But it seems there's a referee, perhaps dressed in the stars and stripes, who benefits from not going too far, who, seeing things getting out of hand, calls a break. How could it be otherwise?
        2. -3
          27 September 2025 17: 02
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          ... eliminate the leadership of the Outskirts...

          Just recently, we all witnessed how Israel, selectively and methodically, knocked out the entire top military (and not only military) leadership of Iran
          So how? Did you win?
      3. +2
        27 September 2025 11: 48
        Tell me, has there ever been a case in history where warring countries paid each other during military operations?
        1. 0
          27 September 2025 12: 03
          Who the hell knows, Comrade Major. It's just a proverb. I don't know your rank in real life. But I read somewhere that grain trains to Germany continued to travel for some time after June 22nd. I remember the story of my father, who was sent to Germany before the war to inspect warships being built for the Red Navy in Dutch shipyards. The Germans interned his crew and then exchanged them for similar Germans. True, by that time he had already been caught in the siege. But that's different.
          1. 0
            27 September 2025 14: 12
            The difference is that in the first days, no one stopped these trains. Although, as you understand, they certainly didn't pass through the front lines. There was simply no one to stop them at that point. But the fact that a year after the start of the Second World War, billions were being transferred to Ukraine—no one is hiding that.
            1. -2
              27 September 2025 14: 34
              Billions, maybe not billions. And do you know how the Germans and our side organized the transfer of internees? There were several thousand of them on both sides. They were gathered from all over Europe, and consequently from the USSR. This happened in August 1941, transported to neutral Turkey, and exchanged there at the border. I think this cost both sides money for food and travel. So, by your logic, what should we kill? I don't want to. I wouldn't have been born then.
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        2. -2
          29 September 2025 07: 47
          You won't believe it, but it happened.
          There was even an article here. How Germany, in 1941, practically until the fall, regularly paid the USSR's contracts.
          And this is the first thing that came to mind! laughing
          1. -2
            29 September 2025 10: 24
            The assertion that Germany regularly paid for its contracts with the USSR until the autumn of 1941 is not true, since on June 22, 1941, Germany attacked the Soviet Union, which put an end to any trade or financial relations, including the fulfillment of any contracts.
            Reasons and consequences of relationship termination:
            Attack on the USSR: Germany declared war on the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, launching Operation Barbarossa. On the same day, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop delivered a note to the Soviet ambassador explaining the reasons for the military action.
            End of economic agreements: The outbreak of war meant the severance of all economic and financial ties between the USSR and Germany. All previously concluded contracts, including the Soviet-German trade agreement of 1939, were terminated.
            Supply Cutoff: Germany was unable to make any payments on contracts after June 22, 1941, as the countries were at war and supplies of goods and services were stopped on both sides.
            Thus, the assertion that Germany made regular payments to the USSR under contracts until the autumn of 1941 is unfounded, since military action began much earlier and led to the complete cessation of all economic relations.
  5. +9
    27 September 2025 09: 38
    A very strange war, you don’t even know how to discuss anything here, a war of the absurd.
    1. + 11
      27 September 2025 11: 07
      Quote: Vadim S
      A very strange war

      A typical 21st-century war, fought between capitalist states and capitalist states. And this war is fundamentally different from the Great Patriotic War.
    2. -3
      27 September 2025 11: 15
      What's so absurd about it? I don't see anything that hasn't happened before in military history.
      1. +1
        27 September 2025 11: 49
        During the war in Chechnya, Moscow transferred money to Chechen pensioners. Now, at the very least, they're paying Ukraine for gas transportation.
        1. 0
          28 September 2025 11: 16
          Sorry, I don't understand your point. Is paying pensions to retirees and paying for gas pumping services a good or a bad thing?
          1. 0
            28 September 2025 11: 21
            Money was flowing into territories controlled by Chechen militants. Whether there were pensioners there or not is unknown, but the money was flowing to someone.
            While military actions were going on at the same time, money was flowing to the same Ukraine for “pumping gas”.
            What's not clear? Or are you trolling?
      2. +3
        27 September 2025 15: 51
        Well, all these oddities have already been discussed from all sides. Well, they don't fight the enemy that way, and they are precisely the enemy there, no matter what the supreme leader and his hangers-on tried to tell us about the zombified people there. They didn't touch the bridges, they didn't touch the oil refineries, they pumped gas through them, they basically left the electricity, especially the stations that pumped energy to the West, they didn't touch the leadership, they didn't bomb Kyiv—there's a long list of oddities here that could be listed over three or four years. Personally, I don't understand at all what's going on there or why.
        1. +1
          28 September 2025 11: 14
          What's so unusual? Which of these hasn't happened in almost every war? Vadim, you apparently have no connection to military history and simply don't know the details of other wars.

          Let's break it down point by point:

          The bridges were not touched


          This is common practice for an army planning an offensive. Not only does it leave them alone, but it also tries to protect them from destruction by the enemy. For example, in Halder's diaries, you can find numerous remarks about the Wehrmacht's efforts to preserve bridges behind Red Army lines, and when they were pushing toward Kyiv, an entry for July 10 regretfully notes: "We still can't capture the bridges."

          Quote: Vadim S
          the management was not touched


          In European military tradition, it's not customary to assassinate the leader of a country at war with you. Just try to recall, say, in the last three hundred years, even a couple of cases (well, even just one!) where an enemy leader was killed (not in battle, by accident, but in a targeted hunt) in a war between European powers. Here's a detailed and clear account of this: https://newsland.com/post/7826494-blazhennyy-avgustin-i-korolevskaya-solidarnost

          Quote: Vadim S
          The refineries were not touched

          Again, let's compare this to the Great Patriotic War. The largest oil refineries and storage facilities in Constanta, which supplied the entire German southern flank, were within direct line of sight from the sea, meaning naval artillery didn't even need spotters; binoculars were sufficient. The Black Sea Fleet simply had no enemy at sea—only aircraft and minefields. So? Did the fleet destroy these storage facilities? And did it destroy them every time they were repaired? No! There was one unsuccessful attempt at the end of June 1941, and then they were abandoned! Meanwhile, airstrikes were actively made against Romania's oil fields in Ploiești.

          Quote: Vadim S
          Kyiv was not bombed


          What makes you think that? Airstrikes on industrial and military targets in Kyiv occur practically every week. There were no indiscriminate, carpet bombings, simply because they're pointless now. And, again, military history is replete with precedents. For example, in the Great Patriotic War, during the Prague Offensive, a major city was stormed without air or artillery preparation. Incidentally, Marshal Konev, who thus saved Prague at the cost of nearly a thousand of our soldiers, was thanked by today's Praguers by tearing down his monument in the city he saved.

          Quote: Vadim S
          gas was pumped through them


          Well, economic relations during wartime are nothing new either. Let's look at the Napoleonic Wars. The war raged, and "severe sanctions" were imposed (the Continental Blockade, the Jefferson Embargo, etc.). However, economic relations between the adversaries, sometimes by the skin of their teeth, sometimes by the skin of their teeth, and sometimes by contraband (oh, sorry, "parallel imports"), persisted. For example, Russia, at the time an ally of Napoleon and a signatory of the Continental Blockade, secretly purchased rifle barrels from hostile England (with which, incidentally, it was officially at war from 1807 to 1812). There's nothing unprecedented about this.

          Quote: Vadim S
          They didn't really touch the electricity, especially the stations that pumped energy to the West.


          They hit the "electric power" a lot, but they didn't touch anything that could pose the slightest threat to the safety of the nuclear power plants. We still have to enter those territories. Incidentally, such examples are not uncommon in military history. For example, Hitler's strict orders that not a single bomb be dropped on the dam system in the Netherlands and Belgium. If something happened there, it would have wiped out not only the enemy but also the German troops, so why bother?

          Vadim, please understand me correctly: I'm not here to argue about whether everything is being done right or wrong. My objection concerns only your observation about the absurdity and strangeness of this war—that alone. As you can see, none of your points are unique. Similar things have happened in past wars. And they will continue to happen. This is normal and there's nothing unprecedented about it. So, "war is war."
          1. -1
            28 September 2025 14: 45
            This is all true, but somehow it's all happening all at once in one conflict. It's no secret that the initial assessments of the conflict's development were incorrect; no one thought NATO would step in, which means they had to immediately change their approach to war, not as they've been led to believe about a "brotherly nation," but as if we were a race of insects! They won't spare us or protect our targets, especially since the Anglo-Saxon instigators hate us at a genetic level; they don't consider us human beings; all history shows this. And I'm far from the only one who's noticed this: our leadership is fighting with white gloves, half-heartedly, in a cavalier manner. Many of these people are military men who have served in hot spots. My father told me how in Afghanistan they burned down entire villages with odabs, no matter who was there—that's war. And the Americans in Vietnam drove the country back to the Stone Age, no matter who was there, they just kept throwing bombs indiscriminately, like cockroaches!
            1. -3
              28 September 2025 15: 03
              Well, you see, you've moved on to a discussion of "are we doing the right thing?" I wanted to limit myself to the question that there is nothing unique in our actions; this has happened before.

              Well, as for "right/wrong," I think it's generally right (not without some exaggerations, but "generally"). If we had quickly occupied all of former Ukraine (just as if we had started acting like the Americans), it would have been our defeat, not a victory (despite the flag over Kyiv). I'm willing to discuss this or provide links to my earlier articles on these topics, and then discuss them, if you're interested in such a conversation and my opinion.
  6. +2
    27 September 2025 09: 43
    In fact, it is difficult to explain what these military (and non-military) experts are guided by when they reason in this way.


    What, what, yes, the fact that all the media is shouting that we are attacking the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there are 100 thousand directors, they are running, etc.

    In fact, it’s the same with us, but we keep it quiet.
  7. + 13
    27 September 2025 09: 46
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    Apparently, I'm not the only one who's tired of these "experts." They talk about things they themselves aren't experts in.

    The "experts" are to blame for everything.
    But for some reason, failures are caused by professional specialists...that's the paradox. smile
    How could professionals miss the enemy's offensive in the Kursk region? How could professionals miscalculate the start of the Central Military District and the subsequent course of this operation? There are countless such mistakes made by professionals who know everything.
    1. -8
      27 September 2025 10: 03
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      How the professionals missed the enemy's advance

      How did Stalin and Zhukov miss it?
      1. +6
        27 September 2025 10: 08
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        How the professionals missed the enemy's advance

        How did Stalin and Zhukov miss it?

        Well, the "experts" were just saying it all the time...the enemy is preparing an offensive...including on our VO forum. smile
        And then they unleashed all the dogs on them...like they don't understand anything. request
      2. +5
        27 September 2025 10: 28
        Stalin did not want war, but when it started, then everything was for Victory.
        Sitting on the couch, you can see a lot from videos on Telegram, even from the bravura videos of the zombie box.
        But how did a bunch of professionals with big salaries and big stars screw it all up? That's the question.
        If you have rot in your head, you can have a ton of titles and awards, but the end result will be a dud.
        1. -5
          27 September 2025 11: 39
          Quote: dimon642
          Stalin did not want war, but when it started, then everything was for Victory.

          Firstly, in the USSR, there were two five-year plans before the war, everything was ready for war.
          Secondly, what do you mean he didn't want war? He's a statesman, obliged to seriously consider all options, including a surprise attack. But Stalin considered Hitler a trusted partner (does this ring a bell?) and therefore missed the start of the war. And news of its outbreak was rife. On the evening of June 21st, an intelligence report from France landed on his desk that Germany would attack on the morning of the 22nd. He wrote a resolution on the note: "Find out who sent this and punish them; it's a provocation." That's it. The cost of this mistake was colossal: tens of millions of human lives.
          Quote: dimon642
          But how did a bunch of professionals with big salaries and big stars screw it all up? That's the question.

          Everyone makes mistakes. Don't forget that the people fighting us on the other side aren't baby seals, but rather "a bunch of professionals with big salaries and big stars," and they, by the way, have made plenty of mistakes too. And while you're expecting us to achieve major victories and breakthroughs, don't forget that Ukraine is just fodder there, while the war against us is waged by the United States and all its allies. That's completely objective.
  8. + 11
    27 September 2025 09: 52
    They have a permanent mobilization and a constant supply of weapons. Some users on this forum were laughing about 200 Italian M113 armored personnel carriers being handed over to the Banderites. It's completely unclear what they were laughing about.
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    1. +5
      27 September 2025 10: 19
      There are a lot of such users on VO. They're simply less visible amid the constant fanfare and accusations of working for the Center for Social Security and the Ukrainians.
      1. -5
        27 September 2025 10: 32
        These aren't accusations. We're not in court. You're simply following a formulaic approach. And over the past few years, "your curls have become familiar." And most people have realized who's writing this and why.
  10. +8
    27 September 2025 10: 30
    Your humble servant, against the boastfulness of the series: “the enemy is demoralized and incapable of anything.”
    The demoralized enemy surrenders in tens and hundreds, while we read and hear only about a few. Even the previous article about Kleban Byk contains the words: "Moreover, two of them tried to swim across the reservoir." and also with weapons.".
    As long as the enemy resists, even desperately, he is not demoralized.
  11. +1
    27 September 2025 10: 46
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    What do we want from Ukraine and what will we do with it next?.. Feed it again, like Berlin in 45?..

    What did the US want from Japan's defeat in 1945? ...the same could be done with Ukraine...taking into account the local mentality.
  12. 0
    27 September 2025 11: 08
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    We can!

    It's not just us. Military history is replete with examples of underestimating the enemy. Just look at the hysteria of the divine Augustus, when he banged his head against the wall and screamed:Quintilius Varus, bring back the legions!»
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  14. -3
    27 September 2025 12: 16
    The invasion of Kursk led to disastrous results for the Banderites. This was acknowledged not by Russian "propagandists," but by General Zaluzhny. Sabotage and provocation—yes, they can happen. But a counteroffensive, an offensive??!!! They inflict far greater damage on Russia with their regular drone strikes on our oil refineries.
  15. +5
    27 September 2025 14: 07
    Quote: Winnie76
    So what should the Kursk tragedy teach the "kvass patriots"?

    Perhaps the dangers of underestimating the enemy. While acknowledging our tenacity in defense, many didn't consider the possibility that the Unbrothers would dare invade our territory. And the plundered fortifications are, to some extent, the result of this mistake. As a result, we shamefully missed the attack and surrendered a large chunk of our territory. I believe that Kursk should serve as a good lesson for us!
    1. +5
      27 September 2025 14: 12
      Quote from Ponimatel
      I believe that Kurskaya should serve as a good lesson for us!

      Who are we? Those who should have learned the lesson are simply unteachable.
  16. 0
    27 September 2025 14: 13
    Quote: guest
    Quote from Ponimatel
    I believe that Kurskaya should serve as a good lesson for us!

    Who are we? Those who should have learned the lesson are simply unteachable.

    I just answered the question.
    1. +1
      27 September 2025 14: 18
      The word "us" just offended me a little; I wrote about the possibility of something like a Kursk invasion two years before and was downvoted.
  17. -1
    27 September 2025 14: 22
    Quote: guest
    The word "us" just offended me a little; I wrote about the possibility of something like a Kursk invasion two years before and was downvoted.

    I don't separate myself from those who made mistakes, nor from those who made the right decisions. They are all ours, that is, us. I'm not only saddened by the failures and obvious match-fixing, but I'm also proud of the successes. All of this is us, fortunately and unfortunately.
  18. +1
    27 September 2025 17: 05
    There are no preconditions for a quick end to the conflict.

    Drones have become the main consumable resource, and their production is experiencing rapid growth. There is no sign of a decline in their production.

    This draws more and more producers into the global process, contracts are signed, and money is recouped.

    This is real profit and sales volumes are growing.

    Of course, the West will strive to make the maximum profit.

    Ukrainians are ordered to move forward. This will have a positive impact on profits.

    The sheriff doesn't care about the Indians' problems.
  19. 0
    28 September 2025 01: 29
    You'd have to be an idiot not to believe it. The only question is where it will be.
  20. 0
    28 September 2025 09: 53
    There's also Wenck's army, lost somewhere. Maybe it's been standing on the Elbe since 1945.
  21. -2
    28 September 2025 11: 44
    Quote: Gardamir
    What's not clear?

    It's unclear why you wrote this. Paying pensions to its citizens is the state's responsibility, and it would be strange if it didn't. Economic relations with businesses and the population of an enemy country are the norm rather than the exception; this has been the case in almost all wars. What's unusual about this? That's what's unclear.
  22. +1
    28 September 2025 17: 54
    The whole problem is that we don’t have a numerical advantage over the Khokhloreich.
    And given our backward intelligence capabilities, compared to the West, the enemy has an advantage in organizing an offensive where we are few in number.
    We know little about mobile deployment, as Kursk demonstrated.
    And the commanders will again report on stopping breakthroughs until their mistakes are once again corrected by the heroism of ordinary soldiers.
    Unfortunately, in the event of a real offensive, no one will most likely be held accountable for the botched command of our troops.
    And they will start handing out orders of courage to the generals left and right.
    But let's hope for the best.
    Maybe something has changed?
  23. +1
    28 September 2025 20: 52
    Quote: 26_Sergey_26
    Maybe something has changed?

    The date on the calendar has changed.
  24. +1
    28 September 2025 21: 55
    This is what I've been writing about in my previous comments: pure boasting, pure humiliation of the enemy, dehumanization, and so on. But in essence, we're fighting a genetic mirror. Truth or attempts to find it are immediately suppressed with all sorts of clichés. But dwelling in dreams without a real vision of what's happening is the path to a fatal error.
  25. 0
    29 September 2025 15: 41
    I hope this doesn't happen, but underestimating an enemy is a grave mistake. Especially a borderlander whose cunning and meanness are the envy of the devil...
    We ourselves need to stop relaxing and "snapping around" - they are watching us very closely and are ready to take advantage of our moment of weakness at any moment.