Flight over the sea

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Flight over the sea

Even from the name - Marine Aviation (MA) — it becomes clear that these aircraft fly over the sea. Naval aviation was varied: missile-carrying, anti-submarine, fighter, and even attack. The Naval Air Force also had transport aircraft, and they also fly over the sea.

I served in naval aviation for 26 years, and before that, I trained for naval aviation for four years. In total, I have 30 years of experience, so I can say without false modesty that flying over the sea is difficult. Not completely impossible, but much more difficult than over land. For various reasons. Now I'll try to explain a little about these "various reasons."



One such reason is psychological. Flights are conducted over the sea, thousands of kilometers from the nearest alternate airfield, meaning landing is impossible in the event of fire damage or aircraft failure. And after abandoning the plane over the sea, there's little hope of rescue; help is only theoretically possible, and even if it does arrive, the body won't be able to withstand the cold water by then.

I was trained in search and rescue operations. I had to fly in combat formations as a crew member of a search and rescue aircraft with rescue containers (SAR), drop SARs, participate in organizing rescue operations and directing flights during the rescue of a Tu-22M2 crew just 120 kilometers from our airfield. Here's my personal opinion after gaining such experience: rescuing an aircraft crew in the open sea is unlikely. Frankly, I don't know of any such examples. Usually, it's just a crash into the sea, and that's it...

I've sometimes heard the opinion that aviators performing long-term flights over sea should undergo special psychological preparation. I don't know; I haven't heard of it. The doctor lectured on the dangers of venereal diseases, but I don't recall any specifics about the psychological aspects of preparing for flights over water.

Another reason why flying over the sea is difficult is navigation. Flying over the sea involves flying over featureless areas, practically unequipped with radio navigation systems. Tu-16, Tu-22M3, and Tu-142 aircraft lacked standard satellite navigation systems (SNS). On the Tu-16, navigators had plenty of time to get bored while flying over the sea, but navigators in the past were better trained, not because they were smarter, but simply because life forced them to.

More modern aircraft were equipped with inertial navigation systems and digital computer-based navigation systems, which significantly simplified navigation at sea. However, relying blindly on a navigation system is a disservice. The fact is that navigation systems accumulate errors over time, and if they are not promptly corrected using various methods (using radio systems, radar reference, etc.), you may not arrive at your destination on time.

But at sea, the problem is precisely with correction... After the regiment retrained from the Tu-16 to the Tu-22M2, some navigators recklessly trusted the aircraft's navigation system and flew to completely inappropriate destinations. Perhaps some naval aircraft have now received new standard satellite equipment, which significantly simplifies navigation, but all I know is that Tu-142 and Tu-22M3 navigators use non-standard imported navigators.


A non-standard imported navigator in the Tu-22M3 navigator's cockpit.

In our time, non-standard imported navigators had only just become available, and the entire Pacific Fleet naval aviation was allocated a whopping three Magellan-type naval navigation systems. The Chief Navigator of the Pacific Fleet Naval Aviation quite fairly distributed this wealth as follows:

- on the commander's Tu-134 fleet;
- on his personal car like a Toyota, supposedly for a detailed study, determination of various errors and development of application methods;
There was a fight over the third copy between the Tu-142, Tu-22M3, Il-38, and transport regiments. I won the fight, using my natural charm, naval audacity, and crude, primitive flattery.

That's how our Tu-142 regiment acquired a satellite navigator. I handed it over to the regiment's navigator, who, flying our An-26, honed his skills, developed a methodology, and wrote a manual. Afterward, we held a training session on using the navigator in flight, and the device began being issued to Tu-142 navigators for important missions.

And now about the main thing: carrying out missions as intended. All these antics over the sea, with the integrated use of all navigational aids to fly along a given route without deviations and precisely in time and place to a given point (area), are needed only to find the enemy and destroy him at the appointed time. It is difficult to do, but possible. I will not tell you how our naval missile-carrying division, consisting of 40 Tu-22M2 and 16 Tu-16, took off from two airfields, assembled in the air, flew to the northwestern part of the Pacific Ocean (beyond the Kuril Islands) and there carried out simultaneous missile A strike on a surface target, after which it would turn around, fly back, disengage, and land at a two-minute interval. The strike was carried out tactically, meaning without releasing the missiles; all other elements were practiced. I participated in such sorties many times, both as a second navigator and as a regiment navigator. There's simply no point in describing how we flew there, since naval missile-carrying aviation was destroyed during various reforms.

Let's briefly discuss, within the limits of what's permissible, anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft, which are undoubtedly the most complex type of aviation. Currently, SAW aircraft must perform two critical tasks:

- ensuring the combat stability of our strategic nuclear-powered missile submarines (search for foreign submarines);
- conducting aerial reconnaissance of enemy ships at sea.

Finding a target underwater, tracking it, and destroying it on cue is a daunting task, but crews have managed it before. Finding enemy ships in the ocean, identifying their types, and identifying the primary target is also far from easy, and sometimes even deadly. Anything can happen...

It is also important to keep in mind that naval aviation always operates independently, without the cover of continental air defense systems and without fighter aircraft escort.

Now, for those who think long-range aircraft also fly over the sea, and there's nothing difficult about it, and there's no point in bragging about their service in naval aviation. The difference: Tu-95MS and Tu-160 aircraft don't perform their primary functions over the sea—target search, target acquisition, and destruction of underwater or surface enemies. Non-combat flights over the sea used to be called "sport flights" in our regiment.

I almost forgot to write for the romantics: from the air, the sea is not at all blue with gentle waves, but always stern, leaden-gray, hostile.
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  1. + 21
    1 October 2025 04: 29
    Michael, welcome!
    Thank you for the article. hi
  2. +5
    1 October 2025 04: 37
    The text conveys a certain nostalgia for flying, which is perhaps a plus. While the writing is generally good, as an analytical article, it lacks detail and analysis. As a narrative about service, it's quite interesting. It would be interesting to read a short series of articles by the author on this topic, covering the specifics of flying and service during that time, interesting stories, and so on.
    1. +5
      1 October 2025 05: 27
      Quote from turembo
      The text has a certain hint of the author's nostalgia for flying, and that's probably a plus.

      The Maritimes have nostalgia for the sea, the pilots have nostalgia for the sky; it makes a difference who is “married” to what.
      1. +9
        1 October 2025 08: 28
        Dimon
        It's nostalgia for youth... smile
        1. +1
          1 October 2025 08: 37
          Quote: Gomunkul
          It's nostalgia for youth...

          No, rather, nostalgia for the life we ​​had at sea. A sailor's life is fundamentally different from life on shore. Once you leave the seas, it's impossible to fully adapt to the shore; you measure everything by those same seafaring standards. Your friends remain maritime, and you don't make new ones, only acquaintances. You simply withdraw into yourself, since your friends are scattered throughout the former Soviet Union.
          1. +2
            1 October 2025 11: 48
            *Probably not, nostalgia for the life that was at sea*.
            exactly according to the life that was. 10-12 years ago.
            Life at sea is different now. Inspectors at every port, maintenance, supply checks, and so on. Sometimes there's no time to go ashore.
            1. +3
              1 October 2025 16: 15
              Quote from seamen2
              exactly the life that was 10-12 years ago

              More precisely, about the life of a sailor that was 30-40 years ago.
      2. 0
        16 October 2025 14: 15
        Quote: carpenter
        The Marimans have nostalgia for the sea

        What's there to be nostalgic about? Go out to sea and fish... Or did you retire to the sands? I spent over 20 years as an advisor in Africa, living in Zimbabwe, but I'm not drawn back... What, I'm not listening? Yeah, I agree, it's not quite the right comparison, but my point is, it's better to let go of the past—it's gone... You can't get your youth back, so there's no point in pining for it. Eternity lies ahead, and behind us is just a moment on a cosmic scale...
        1. 0
          16 October 2025 14: 24
          Quote: 76SSSR
          I spent over 20 years as an advisor in Africa, but I'm not drawn back... What, I can't hear you?

          I worked in Africa for 40 years, I don’t feel like going to Africa, but I do feel like going to the seas.
    2. + 10
      1 October 2025 07: 20
      Quote from turembo
      It would be interesting to read

      The site's tools allow you to access the author's section and read his articles:
      https://topwar.ru/user/Bez+310/
  3. +4
    1 October 2025 05: 15
    Now for those who think that long-range aviation planes also fly over the sea, and there is nothing difficult about it

    Yeah... The crew of KAL 007 might argue with that, or the crew of MH 370...
    Tu-142 and Tu-22M3 navigators use non-standard imported navigators

    Hoping that in case of war they will show the whole truth?
    In our time, non-standard imported navigators have only just appeared, and for the entire naval aviation of the Pacific Fleet, as many as 3 (three) simple "Magellans" were allocated.

    "An attraction of unimaginable generosity." In 1994, I worked on a dry cargo ship. It had satellite navigation. You press a button and coordinates appear, which the navigator enters on the map. As far as I understand, the author is describing roughly the same period (since I drove the Toyotas he mentions).
    In fact, nowadays, with satellite navigation available to everyone, the role of navigator is becoming less important. Perhaps today's navigators are declining because without practice (and who needs it when you have a Garmin) it's impossible to maintain a professional level.
    1. +7
      1 October 2025 07: 17
      Quote: Puncher
      the role of the navigator is reduced to nothing

      The main thing remains - the combat use of weapons.
      1. +2
        1 October 2025 08: 14
        Quote: Bez 310
        The main thing remains - the combat use of weapons.

        I missed this aspect... In your time, what was more difficult: navigation or the use of weapons?
        1. +9
          1 October 2025 08: 31
          Quote: Puncher
          what was more difficult

          Complex issue...
          A weapon must be used on a given target, at a given point, at a given time, and this is achieved through navigation. But technologically, using the weapon is more complex.
    2. +3
      1 October 2025 08: 17
      Quote: Puncher
      In general, nowadays, when satellite navigation is available to anyone, the role of the navigator is reduced to nothing.

      It only makes navigators' jobs easier by determining the ship's position, but everything else remains the same. And now they've been plagued by ISM Code, ISPS Code, and, on top of all that, they've eliminated radio operators, increasing the workload to the limit.
    3. +6
      1 October 2025 10: 03
      Nowadays, almost every vessel (I'm talking about river vessels) has GPS and GLONASS, and everyone uses them. River vessels still have the same navigational environment as before radars and GLONASS.
      But miracles don't happen, and GLONASS receivers and electronics fail. So the crews refuse to continue sailing until GLONASS is repaired. There's a complete lack of practice navigating without instruments or GLONASS. Even though there are alignment markers and buoys with illuminated markings for night navigation. hi
      Some car owners have the same problem.
      1. +1
        1 October 2025 12: 23
        Quote: V.
        So the crews refuse to continue sailing until GLONASS is repaired.

        It's funny. We used to navigate using maps, and experienced locals knew the river by heart. Although, of course, without knowing the rapids, it's better to use GLONASS and a map, otherwise you can end up in trouble even on the alignments.
  4. +1
    1 October 2025 05: 31
    And after leaving the plane over the sea, there is no special hope of rescue; help can only come theoretically
    The sailors' survival rate in the event of a ship sinking would be "fifty-fifty".
    1. +1
      1 October 2025 06: 44
      Quote: carpenter
      The sailors' survival rate in the event of a ship sinking would be "fifty-fifty".

      If you're talking about today, it's 90% because all ships are equipped with the COSPAS-SARSAT system. Plus, all ships have rescue boats, which are far from being flimsy dinghies with oars. They're enclosed boats with water and provisions, communications equipment, flashing lights, and even a motor, albeit a weak one. Even a simple rescue boat increases the survival rate to 99%, the main thing is to get into it, of course...
      1. +2
        1 October 2025 08: 08
        Quote: Puncher
        Even a simple PSN increases survival to 99%, the main thing is to get into it, of course...

        If you manage to lower them and climb into a raft or a boat. We didn't make it in time; only three out of eight survived.
        1. +1
          1 October 2025 08: 26
          Quote: carpenter
          If you manage to lower them and get into the raft or boat.

          The PSN pops up on its own, the main thing is not to be near it when it opens.
          Quote: carpenter
          We didn't make it in time, only three out of eight were saved.

          The issue of quality training and availability of rescue equipment. We didn't have a cutter on board, just open lifeboats and a PSN. When we encountered a storm, it was clear the lifeboats wouldn't be much use. The ship was old; newer vessels are much better in terms of rescue equipment.
          1. +3
            1 October 2025 08: 45
            Quote: Puncher
            The PSN pops up on its own, the main thing is not to be near it when it opens.

            We were unlucky, there was a north wind and a storm, and five of us didn't make it to the PSN.
            A closed boat under the command of a young navigator, returning from Lerwick, ran into Martin Island and capsized, not everyone survived, including the master's wife Lyudmila, may they rest in peace.
            1. 0
              1 October 2025 09: 33
              Quote: carpenter
              may the kingdom of heaven be theirs.

              The master too?
              1. 0
                1 October 2025 09: 37
                Quote: Puncher
                The master too?

                When the vessel is at anchor in the Shetland Islands area, the master does not leave the vessel.
        2. +3
          1 October 2025 08: 46
          Among our rescue equipment on the destroyer were 10 SPN-10 rafts. Launching them was no problem. They were mounted on the superstructure, on inclined rails so that the rafts would slide down the rails and fall into the sea. The rafts were held in place by a rope, which could be released with practically a single movement. Difficulties could arise when launching the boats, of which there were two. In rough seas, it's difficult to hold the guy lines; they're prone to being pulled out of your hands, and the boat could slam into the side of the boat. And the winch could jam at the most inopportune moment.
        3. +9
          1 October 2025 09: 13
          Getting into a PSN at sea is an almost impossible task.
          I have personal experience training in the pool of the UTC NK "Compass" in Severomorsk.
          Here's how it happened. The "wet" first floor of the complex, a training pool for divers, is where they lower a PSN-10M. Ten guys in life jackets jump into the pool. The life jackets hold up just fine, no problem there. Naturally, no one heated the water. So, I jumped in, it was cold, and climbed into the raft first. I got in with difficulty; when I tried to climb in, lying chest-first on the raft (yeah, in a life jacket), my legs got stuck under the raft and I capsized. Yes, there's a "ladder" made of flexible straps, but you have to feel it with your feet and somehow use it. I got in with difficulty, pulled in the second one, and the rest were quickly pulled into the raft; even unconscious people would have gotten them in.
          Conclusion: in real conditions, in the open sea, it is almost impossible to get on a raft :(
          1. +1
            1 October 2025 09: 25
            Quote: Not the fighter
            Conclusion: in real conditions, in the open sea, it is almost impossible to get on a raft :(

            Haven't you been taught how to climb in using the "rollover" method? But to do that, you have to stand with your back to the raft, grab the lifeline with your hands, lower yourself to full arm length, and throw your legs onto the raft.
            1. +3
              1 October 2025 09: 30
              Training plan: jump into the pool, gather in the corner, then climb onto the raft, sit in it for 2-3 minutes, and then head out to do push-ups on the roof of the floating compartment. It's 1991, and we're just being introduced to a raft, what kind of beast it is. Our Kirov cruiser "has no speed and never will." Second-rank captain Fedorenko.
            2. 0
              9 October 2025 19: 07
              with your back to the raft, grab the handrail with your hands, lower yourself under the water to the full length of your arms and throw your legs onto the raft

              How, I don’t understand, if you are with your back to the raft?
              1. 0
                9 October 2025 20: 32
                Did you do a rollover?
                1. 0
                  9 October 2025 21: 03
                  Yes. Do you mean a handrail instead of a horizontal bar? But to do that, you need to lean your torso back, and there should be a side there.
          2. +1
            1 October 2025 11: 51
            heh-heh... sounds familiar ))))
            But in reality, when you find yourself at sea, you take off on board the PSN, it's true... with "musical accompaniment" and other attributes of sea life, but I haven't heard of a third attempt - as a rule, everyone managed it on the first one )))
          3. +1
            2 October 2025 14: 59
            Sometimes we trained in the summer. Not everyone could climb the MLAS, and it wasn't always possible. Even wearing just swimming trunks. But what if you were wearing winter clothes?
  5. fiv
    +3
    1 October 2025 05: 44
    The article is excellent, but the question remains: do mermaids fly?
    1. +5
      1 October 2025 06: 46
      Quote: fiv
      but the question remains - do mermaids fly?

      like crocodiles, low, low...
    2. +3
      1 October 2025 07: 16
      Quote: fiv
      Do mermaids fly?

      I haven't met...
  6. AMG
    +2
    1 October 2025 06: 57
    Greetings and I dare to ask: "Did you graduate from the Voroshilovgrad School of Navigators named after the "Proletariat of Donbass"?
    1. +5
      1 October 2025 07: 15
      Yes, in the name of the Proletariat...
      1. AMG
        0
        3 October 2025 20: 21
        In that case, I'll take the plunge. About six years ago, in the village of Veshenskaya, I met the owner of a small hotel by chance. Her husband had graduated from the Higher Military Aviation School and served in the Pacific Fleet Aviation School. She was working as a cafeteria manager at the time and even remembered the different types of naval aircraft. But her regular duties included unusual situations, such as providing meals for aircraft crews landing at airfields other than their home base after flights over the ocean. For this purpose, she was provided with a transport aircraft, and she, her staff, and the food would fly to the designated locations and carry out her duties. Can you confirm such actions or... Thank you!
        1. +2
          3 October 2025 20: 59
          Quote from AMG
          Can you confirm such actions?

          This sounds like nonsense.
          When landing at alternate airfields, the crews ate in the flight canteens of the landing airfields, and the presence of "their own personnel" was not required.
          My wife served as the head of the flight and technical canteen of our garrison for more than 15 years. I myself have eaten at various airfields of the Pacific Fleet Aviation Ministry on numerous occasions. As the chief of staff of an aviation regiment, I had to deal with the organization of the regiment’s meals, so I have some idea of ​​​​the organization of meals for flight personnel.
          1. AMG
            0
            3 October 2025 21: 07
            Thanks for clarifying.
  7. +3
    1 October 2025 07: 08
    ...after all, naval missile-carrying aviation was destroyed during the course of various reforms.

    These words left a nasty taste in my soul.
  8. +1
    1 October 2025 07: 33
    One can probably agree with the author that... non-combat flights over the sea were called sport flights... (with some reservations, of course)
    But at the same time, the author talks about a divisional sortie somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, but as it turns out, without practical missile launches, only tactically, that is, for sport.
    I had to deal with those who flew in regiments, which one wag called the DOSAAF military sports regiment. It was one continuous tactical operation: turn on the jamming, turn it off, fly for combat use (that's how it was written in the flight log), spin around in the aerobatic zone looking for a virtual enemy air defense system, fly for combat use (that's how it was written in the flight log).
    Practical work - dropping a bomb, launching a missile - greatly disciplines, let's say, because you can kill on the ground by mistake.
    For this reason, in bomber regiments, preparation for flights is serious; by the way, drunkenness would immediately result in being thrown out on the ground.
    1. +4
      1 October 2025 07: 53
      Quote: bober1982
      without practical missile launches, just tactically, that is, for sport.

      Um ...
      Just think about how much a cruise missile like the Kh-22(32) costs, if one ordinary radio-hydroacoustic buoy, depending on its filling, could cost as much as a color TV or a Zaporozhets car.
      Practical bombing was carried out on every training flight along the route, and this is not a feat that “disciplines”, but a common practice.
      1. +2
        1 October 2025 08: 00
        Quote: Bez 310
        and this is not a feat that “disciplines”, but a common practice.

        Nobody calls it a feat, although I wouldn’t call it common practice.
        Even one P50-75 can break firewood and kill someone, and what can we say when they hang out with combat soldiers.
        No one is arguing about the high cost of missiles, but it is one thing to have permission to launch missiles, and another thing to have experience with launches.
        1. +6
          1 October 2025 08: 36
          Quote: bober1982
          It's one thing to have permission to launch missiles, and another thing to have experience with launches.

          The country still has a number of Tu-22M3 aircraft, so I'm not prepared to discuss the crews' missile training. Lest readers think that using weapons (bombs, missiles) is some kind of heroic feat, I'll say it bluntly: that's the job of senior lieutenants; any ship's navigator knows how to do it; it's their direct responsibility.
          1. +2
            1 October 2025 08: 46
            Quote: Bez 310
            I'll say it straight out - this is the job of senior lieutenants, any ship's navigator knows how to do this, it's his direct responsibility.

            Not exactly like that, but there's no arguing.
            The current generation of "senior lieutenants" is significantly higher in level than our generation - we knew how to gather a division in close order, hold it, strike beautifully and disband just as beautifully, the current generation cannot do this, for the reason that no one needs it - times have changed.
          2. +3
            1 October 2025 17: 17
            Quote: Bez 310
            I'm not ready to discuss the crews' missile training.

            We were trained using textbooks from the 30s, it was brilliant training, we were puppies, but they quickly trained us, we knew how to determine the location of an airplane using radio broadcasting and homing radio stations, we practiced mental arithmetic, we were taught Morse code (for reception), as cadets we independently bombed at a high level, we came to the regiments well prepared.
            The current ones don’t know this and don’t know how to do it; they only know satellite navigation, but they have a lot of experience.
            Our time has passed, we are almost mammoths, extinct.
            1. +1
              1 October 2025 17: 38
              Quote: bober1982
              The current ones don’t know this and don’t know how to do it; they only know satellite navigation, but they have a lot of experience.

              I can't discuss what I don't know...
              1. 0
                1 October 2025 17: 54
                Quote: Bez 310
                I can't discuss what I don't know...

                A. What do you need to know? The news reports this almost every day; these are not tactical missile launches at all.
                1. +1
                  1 October 2025 18: 09
                  Quote: bober1982
                  the news reports almost every day

                  Well...
                  As far as I know, dropping bombs from the UMPK does not require any special knowledge or skills, and can be carried out almost in "drone" mode.
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2025 18: 13
                    Quote: Bez 310
                    As far as I know, dropping bombs from the UMPK does not require any special knowledge or skills,

                    We probably haven't abandoned it and won't abandon it, but that's what we're talking about - it's not about abandoning it with an OPB, with a manual wind setting, with a Tu-16 and Tu-134sh
                    1. 0
                      1 October 2025 18: 25
                      Quote: bober1982
                      We probably didn't give up.

                      This is not my personal opinion, I am simply repeating the opinion of the "mouthpiece of the FBA" FB, which he recently expressed in his blog.
                      1. 0
                        1 October 2025 18: 42
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        the opinion of the "mouthpiece of the FBA" FB, which he recently expressed in his blog.

                        You have to be careful with such mouthpieces, he didn't quit, and he won't quit. And, everyone is a master of chatter.
                      2. -1
                        1 October 2025 18: 49
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Such megaphones must be treated with caution.

                        Well yes...
  9. +1
    1 October 2025 07: 47
    Every flight is a risk to life.
    1. +6
      1 October 2025 08: 37
      Quote: Sergeant
      Every flight is a risk to life.

      No.
      It is much more dangerous to drive a car.
  10. +1
    1 October 2025 08: 18
    Thank you! Very interesting!
  11. +2
    1 October 2025 09: 03
    What unmercenary people used to be flagship commanders!
    The chief navigator gave 33% of the available navigators "to the troops," but he could have put them in his wife's car for further study of the errors with the navigator in his car.
    Although, maybe there is a scientific explanation for this: his wife did not have a separate car!?
    Can you imagine the horror?
    For those who don't know, in Soviet times, in order to buy a car, you had to present a certificate stating that the family did not have a car.
  12. +1
    1 October 2025 10: 11
    Usually it's just a fall into the sea, and that's it...

    That's probably one of the reasons they can't find it. With our means of communication, that's a problem.
    Which begs the question: How are my potential former partners doing with this?
    They have a lot of naval pilots. And their emergency communications are unlike ours.
    Any statistics?
    1. +2
      1 October 2025 10: 18
      Quote: kit88
      Any statistics?

      I do not have.
  13. +1
    1 October 2025 10: 24
    I really liked the distribution of the Magellans; you could even say it was funny, if it weren't so sad...
  14. +1
    1 October 2025 11: 12
    Quote: masff2307
    If only it weren't so sad...
    This is natural.........
  15. +8
    1 October 2025 11: 43
    Yeah...
    In Kamchatka (Avacha Bay) during the period described by the author in the 80s, I had to participate in the search for the crew of the Tu-16 during the autumn-winter period...
    They found the crew a little over half a day later... They raised the bodies of two pilots from life rafts... They didn't find the third, the raft was empty... Those who were found died of hypothermia...
    If the rescue operation had been launched immediately and without the naval foolishness, then perhaps the pilots would have been raised alive; the clock was ticking terrifyingly loudly...
    We knew perfectly well how long a person could survive in seawater in October and November; we had survival tables, and we had no illusions. Everyone was on edge, and any glimmer of light on the surface sent everyone into a sprinting mode...

    The lifespan of a human in seawater during winter in the Barents and Bering Seas is 5 minutes, with a maximum limit of 15 minutes, after which cardiac arrest occurs, and there are no other options...

    I also had to rescue people from the water on Matua Island (Kuril Ridge) in the winter... the water temperature there was -2,4-2,8 degrees (closer to the shore - 2,8, and deeper - -2,4 degrees) according to the local weather station, and the wind was over 30 m/s... so people stayed in the water for about 12-15 minutes, though the water was chest-deep and sometimes neck-deep, and until all the civilians and military personnel were brought to shore, people really worked beyond human strength in that water...
    By the way, no one caught a cold, and all the rescued people didn't even get wet - they were lifted and carried out in people's arms throughout the entire process...
    But two years later, one of the officers involved in this operation died of sudden cardiac arrest, and a cardiologist unequivocally stated that it was the result of a heart attack he suffered while standing during the rescue...
    A deep bow to the naval pilots, heroic guys...
    1. +2
      1 October 2025 11: 45
      Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
      Tu-16 crew

      Efremov's crew
      1. +2
        1 October 2025 11: 53
        Yes, probably... they didn't give out names, eternal memory to the guys...
        That year was generally overly generous with accidents; we only had time to deal with them depending on the situation...
        1. +1
          2 October 2025 14: 54
          Tu-16 crash by Captain Efremov. https://dzen.ru/a/aEnKQ8-N2naJcElX
          1. +2
            2 October 2025 15: 35
            I read this link - no, both the author and you in this case are mistaken.
            Efremov's crew died in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in 1988.
            In the case I described, the disaster occurred not in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but on the other side of the Kamchatka Peninsula, on the Pacific side, in Avacha Bay.
            And the second discrepancy is that, unlike Effremov, in my story, no one was saved, unfortunately...
            1. +1
              2 October 2025 16: 01
              Let me clarify: Efremov's Tu-16 landed in Avacha Bay, and the author of the LiveJournal article confused the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with Avacha Bay.
              As for the circumstances of Efremov's rescue, it is claimed that he was rescued by a submarine....
              In the story I told, no living people were found, and I don't recall anything about the submarine there... you can, of course, check with other real participants in the events...
      2. 0
        2 October 2025 15: 38
        Having read the PAN51 link below, I am forced to say that this is not Efremov's story...
        My story is not about the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but about Avacha Bay, and unfortunately, there were no rescues...
        1. +1
          2 October 2025 16: 00
          Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
          Avacha Bay

          The disaster involving Efremov's crew occurred on February 26, 1988. Efremov himself was picked up alive by a submarine in Avacha Bay.
          The link is nonsense!
          1. 0
            2 October 2025 16: 58
            I agree, there's a lot of nonsense there, but there's also some substance to it from Efremov's own story...
            By summing up various sources, one can create a true story, or something close to it...
            OSINT actually does just that.
            1. +1
              2 October 2025 18: 31
              Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
              make up a real story, or close to it...

              I already know everything quite reliably, and I myself found myself in a similar situation, we were just lucky, we were higher, and we had enough altitude to start the engines.
              https://topwar.ru/191692-o-polete-v-kotorom-chto-to-poshlo-ne-tak.html
              1. 0
                2 October 2025 20: 53
                Yes, time goes by, a lot is forgotten, but the main thing remains....
                Some events are still remembered loudly - sometimes you think ten times...
                maybe the time has come?
  16. fiv
    0
    1 October 2025 11: 46
    A beautiful Tu-142 in the opening credits! What a machine!
  17. +3
    1 October 2025 11: 48
    Quote: Puncher
    In fact, nowadays, with satellite navigation available to everyone, the role of navigator is becoming less important. Perhaps today's navigators are declining because without practice (and who needs it when you have a Garmin) it's impossible to maintain a professional level.

    If this is true, then it would be better to immediately liquidate the fleet...
    Back in the day, however, they used to fight those who liked the easy life simply: navigation exercises, turning off all the equipment, grabbing a sextant and grabbing a fistful of ass, and checking the RNS after 24 hours. Those who were within the permissible error range were good, those who weren't – well, you know what I mean...
  18. +1
    1 October 2025 12: 29
    Brilliant! Give us an article - how it should be! What, when and how much. And where. what
  19. 0
    1 October 2025 13: 41
    Naval missile-carrying aviation was destroyed during various reforms

    This is very sad. With the loss of naval missile-carrying aviation, the Navy has lost its main strike force.
    1. +1
      1 October 2025 14: 12
      Quote: Marlin
      main striking force

      The main striking force of the Navy is the SSBN, but after them there was the MRA, unfortunately lost...
      1. +1
        1 October 2025 14: 18
        SSBNs are for strategic targets on the shore, and MRA are for naval groups.
        1. ANB
          0
          7 October 2025 16: 33
          . and for ship groups - MRA.

          What about loaves of bread with granites?
          1. 0
            7 October 2025 17: 42
            The MRA could have fired a heavier salvo. Then reloaded, returned, and added to the salvo.
            1. ANB
              0
              7 October 2025 18: 55
              24 granite or 72 onyx.
              But returning, refueling, installing new missiles and then returning to the target to add more missiles takes quite a long time.
              Both submarines and planes are good. But planes won't replace submarines.
              1. +1
                7 October 2025 20: 13
                20 X-22s with one Tu-22M regiment. But it's unlikely that a single regiment would operate against the AUG.
                Yes, submarines and aircraft are good. And with a combat unit, it's even better. Who would argue?
                But submarines won't replace aircraft either.
            2. 0
              7 October 2025 20: 13
              "And then reload, return, and add more." That's if there's anyone to reload. The F-14's combat radius is almost 900 km, plus the Phoenix's launch range is 100 km. So our fighters will definitely have to enter the enemy's air defense zone. And then everything will depend on the skill of our commanders.
              1. -1
                7 October 2025 20: 42
                F-14

                What AVM are they on?
                1. 0
                  7 October 2025 20: 55
                  I assumed it was the 90s. I agree, they're long gone, the F-18s arrived, and what's changed? Fundamentally, everything remains the same. Incidentally, the topic you raised sparked quite a lengthy discussion, which is unusual for the Military District.
                  1. -1
                    7 October 2025 22: 14
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    The topic sparked a rather lengthy discussion, which is not typical for VO.

                    I also had topics with longer discussions...
  20. 0
    1 October 2025 17: 18
    A friend and I made manuals for Magellan and other echo sounders. He translated, I typeset and inserted pictures. Basically, I brought the manuals back to their original form, but in our language. I've gotten pretty good at it. Nothing too complicated. Unless the author was joking about the military.
    Actually, I still like those navigators (without maps). They taught me. They just ate batteries like crazy.
    1. +1
      1 October 2025 17: 39
      Quote: MCmaximus
      If the author wasn't joking

      I wasn't joking...
      Quote: MCmaximus
      They just ate batteries

      Our technicians have learned how to connect them somewhere on the plane.
      1. +1
        2 October 2025 05: 31
        In route mode, you enter waypoints from the map, and the navigator automatically guides you. It even shows where you're deviating and by how much. It's hard to get lost. But back then, the civilian signal was giving up to 150 meters of error. And the Americans were naughty, too. When they bombed Yugoslavia, they shifted the signal by 3 kilometers. The same thing happened in Georgia, before the attack. So, shifting coordinates is a sign of aggression.
  21. 0
    1 October 2025 18: 28
    Tu-142 and Tu-22M3 navigators use non-standard imported navigators.

    Well, it’s clear why it’s non-standard, but why it’s imported.
    Why not rgk, for example?
    1. +1
      1 October 2025 18: 34
      Quote: bk316
      Why is it imported?

      Try to guess for yourself.
    2. 0
      2 October 2025 05: 39
      Then why did they sell Magellan here? Then all sorts of things started happening.
  22. +1
    1 October 2025 18: 53
    Rescuing an aircraft crew in the open sea is unlikely. Frankly, I don't know of any such examples. Usually, it's just a simple crash into the sea, and that's it...

    Another type of aircraft has demonstrated positive experience. Cosmonaut and astronaut capsules often land successfully in the open ocean or on other bodies of water, and perhaps their experience should be emulated. Perhaps a modern aircraft needs a similar capsule, for example, one made of lightweight carbon fiber. Submariners have their own pop-up escape capsules, but pilots don't even have any corresponding projects in the magazines "Technology for Youth."
    1. +1
      1 October 2025 20: 33
      "We need a descent capsule like this" - that was the idea on the F-111, too. But it didn't catch on because weight is an ever-present issue in aviation.
      1. 0
        1 October 2025 21: 31
        Something like this is the right path. In space exploration, the weight issue is even more pressing. Early versions of astronaut capsules even required parachute jumps, but ultimately they settled on a rigid design with built-in automatic landing mechanisms. Another issue is that the idea needs to be reworked for aviation, without being discouraged by several unsuccessful designs in the search for a solution.
        1. 0
          1 October 2025 22: 13
          In space exploration, landing conditions are completely different. Reusable spacecraft have completely abandoned crew recovery systems, relying solely on the landing of the entire vehicle. All of this has long been calculated, and an optimal design has been adopted and is used worldwide. More than 50 years ago, consideration was given not only to crew capsules but also to the possibility of parachuting the entire passenger aircraft cabin. This design was abandoned due to its high cost and reliability issues.
          1. 0
            1 October 2025 23: 44
            Optimization in engineering and technology is tailored to the specifications. It's not a physics textbook with immutable laws.
            It's worth remembering, just in case, that the selection of the optimal solution did not in any way hinder the development of airborne assault systems, which, from the point of view of strength of materials, are also some kind of boxes, strong shells.
            In fact, it is necessary to revise the outdated design criteria for aircraft in technical specifications and standards, which excessively curtail safety measures in the name of economics.
            1. 0
              2 October 2025 09: 15
              "We actually need to revise the outdated aircraft design criteria in technical specifications and standards, which excessively cut safety measures in the name of economics." Revising the standards is easy, but the result will be an aircraft no one wants, because the laws of physics can't be revised. Either increased safety through a sharp reduction in performance characteristics, or everything remains as is.
              "Optimization in engineering and technology is tailored to the requirements of the technical specifications"—an unrealistic technical specification always leads to the failure to meet those specifications. Incidentally, developing the technical specifications is also difficult work, simply not widely covered and carried out in close collaboration with design bureaus and industry. As for the technology, the customer is almost never interested in how the object will be built, the main thing is that it is feasible.
              1. 0
                6 October 2025 13: 36
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                It's easy to revise the standards, but as a result you'll get an aircraft that no one needs because the laws of physics

                Well, here's one example: the Tu-22 ejection. Could they have done it differently? They could have! But they didn't. It's the same with helicopter safety. We only have autorotation, and the Ka-52 has ejection. Most US military helicopters have powerful landing gear shock absorption, which significantly increases survivability in the event of a malfunction.
                1. 0
                  6 October 2025 15: 44
                  "Could they have done it differently? They could have! But they didn't." They didn't do it out of laziness; they did the best they could. But the most interesting question is: what were the chances of surviving an ejection during takeoff or landing when the Tu-22 was being designed? At altitude, it doesn't matter where you're ejected—up or down.
                  Until the second half of the 60s, each design bureau in the USSR developed crew rescue systems independently, with widely varying levels of effectiveness. Only in 1965, when the Zvezda Research and Production Enterprise was created under the leadership of Guy Ilyich Severin, was this work centralized and the effectiveness of rescue systems increased sharply.
                  "Most US military helicopters have powerful landing gear shock absorption, which significantly increases survivability in the event of a failure" - that is, if you land on the landing gear in an accident.
                  1. 0
                    6 October 2025 15: 57
                    I spoke with a colonel who served on three generations of Tu-22s, and he said that ejecting was extremely psychologically difficult for pilots, even to the point of requiring them to report to another aircraft. It was also extra exhausting because pilots knew that at a certain altitude range, during takeoffs, where anything could happen, the chances of surviving an accident were zero.
                    And this is in addition to the Tu-22’s reputation as an aircraft with a high pilot mortality rate.
                    It’s true that there were also Tu-95s, where half a regiment died out.
                    1. 0
                      6 October 2025 16: 41
                      "In a certain altitude range, during takeoffs, where anything can happen, the chances of surviving an accident are zero"—had an upward ejection been used, the chances would have remained the same. Seats that ensure safe egress from the ground appeared much later.
                      "The ejection was extremely difficult psychologically for the pilots" - I don't dare argue, but it was easier physiologically.
                      "there were Tu-95s where half a regiment died" - you're being hasty, there was no such accident rate.
                    2. 0
                      6 October 2025 17: 03
                      B-47
                      And how the evacuation of the Il-22 and its derivatives is organized is a whole other story.
                    3. 0
                      6 October 2025 20: 13
                      "And it was even more exhausting because the pilots knew." My brother flew as a test engineer on an Il-76 over 30 years ago. There were about 20 other people like him on board. He said that in the event of an accident, there was no chance of getting out of the plane; they'd just throw the parachutes in a pile and never put them on. He never mentioned any depression or exhaustion; they flew often, and he'd been everywhere, from the Baltics to Kamchatka. So it all depends on the individual.
                      1. 0
                        7 October 2025 08: 30
                        The Il-76 was unlikely to be tasked with flying in any weather.
                      2. 0
                        7 October 2025 08: 50
                        No one flew in any weather; there are restrictions for any aircraft.
                      3. 0
                        7 October 2025 08: 58
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        There are restrictions for any aircraft.

                        So where does this habit of military pilots—compliance at any cost—come from, leading to a disregard for danger and disregard for flight safety? This is one of the main reasons why they are subsequently reluctant to enter civil aviation.
                      4. 0
                        7 October 2025 09: 57
                        "Then where does military pilots get this habit of carrying out orders at any cost" - discipline, orders... This applies to any military personnel, not just pilots.
                      5. 0
                        7 October 2025 10: 02
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        discipline, order

                        As practice shows, discipline and violation of instructions are a more pronounced problem for the majority of former military pilots than for purely civilian ones.
                        I don’t know if it’s experience or the difference in the difficulty of the flights, but the violation of instructions is obvious.
                        A positive quality of former military pilots is their willpower and lack of panic in emergency situations, and the ability to deal with problems more actively.
                      6. -1
                        7 October 2025 09: 53
                        And secondly, test flights differ from scheduled ones in that they sometimes have non-standard tasks that go beyond the scope of normal operations.
          2. 0
            1 October 2025 23: 50
            Water landing capsules can be optimized specifically for subsequent survival on the water's surface. They generally reach the surface without any particular problems, and existing parachutes are sufficient for this purpose. However, surviving in the icy, stormy sea without the protection of a floating, hydrothermally insulated capsule is impossible, as experience has shown.
            To avoid having to jump into such a sea, you need to descend into it directly in a rescue capsule.
            1. -1
              2 October 2025 09: 18
              Best wishes. In real life, everything is much more complicated, and that's why we have what we have.
          3. +1
            2 October 2025 18: 51
            the ability to parachute the cabin of a passenger airliner


            There was such an episode in "Captain Vrungel"
  23. +1
    2 October 2025 11: 05
    "Naval aviation is more dangerous than radiation" (c)
    But with all the love and nostalgia, I still wouldn't exaggerate... Somehow they did fly over the sea before the invention of the "Maggellans"... And what about deck-based aircraft - which don't even have a navigator in the crew?
    Okay, so my "products" are supposedly for defending the foremast. But it's not just the target that's changing coordinates, but also your "airfield"...
    And the fact that a "naval pilot" is a suicide bomber when ejecting... The Navy can withstand two days of extreme northern conditions—there have been cases. The main thing is to not be lazy with the adjustments.
    1. +1
      2 October 2025 11: 43
      Quote: Taoist
      Somehow they still flew over the sea before the invention of "Maggellans".

      Yes, I flew over the sea on a Tu-16 for more than 10 years, without Magellans and without navigation systems.
      And what about deck crews - who don't even have a navigator in their crew?

      They flew away from the ship only to the range of visibility from the ship.
      Quote: Taoist
      VMSK

      The longest-range MA aircraft, the Tu-142, fly without a VMS, they simply don't have one...
      But all the coastal MA fighters fly to the VMSK.
      1. 0
        6 October 2025 13: 38
        Quote: Bez 310
        They flew away from the ship only to the range of visibility from the ship.

        I don't understand the navigation issues. If you know at least roughly how you flew and the flight time, you can mentally figure out how to get back. Does the plane have a compass (or doesn't it?)
        1. -1
          6 October 2025 15: 13
          Quote: multicaat
          I don't understand the problems with navigation

          To understand them, you need to study navigation for four years.
  24. +3
    2 October 2025 14: 38
    I flew in the Long-Range Aviation School on Tu-16s, Tu-22M2s, and Tu-22s. I even flew over the sea. We didn't receive anything other than the ASL and ASP. Yes, each member had a small boat (MLAS) and one raft for everyone. After transition training on the Tu-22M2, we were measured for the issuance of the VMS suit. But we never got to see the suit in action. And we knew that if anything happened, we'd be floating corpses. At best. Personally, for some reason, I was more afraid of sharks. It was a phobia.
  25. +1
    4 October 2025 15: 06
    It's always interesting to read your articles. Best regards. hi
  26. 0
    6 October 2025 13: 30
    I have some experience, and so I can say without false modesty that flying over the sea is difficult. Not completely impossible, but much more difficult than over land.

    Or maybe the question is posed differently: is it more difficult to fly where you need to go than over land?
    The navigation alone is a pain in the ass if there is no satellite positioning.
    On land it's simple - there are plenty of landmarks on the ground.
    1. -1
      6 October 2025 15: 15
      Quote: multicaat
      Is it more difficult to fly where you need to go than over land?

      It's harder to fly, and harder to arrive...
      1. 0
        6 October 2025 15: 19
        What's the difficulty? Water is uniform, but on land there are currents of air back and forth, or mountains, or some other nonsense. Probably the only thing that comes to mind is potentially more powerful winds and thunderstorms.
        1. -1
          6 October 2025 15: 22
          Quote: multicaat
          What's the difficulty?

          Psychology...
          1. 0
            6 October 2025 15: 29
            Quote: Bez 310
            Psychology...

            So maybe at the HR level we need to hire people who don't give a damn? laughing
            I've only flown in airliner simulators and overland, not counting light aircraft. I can't imagine how water affects a flight. Perhaps I have phobias like "it'll never run out" or "it's still 12 hours until the bathroom." am
            1. -1
              6 October 2025 15: 43
              Quote: multicaat
              Perhaps the only phobias are that "it will never end" or "there are still 12 hours until the toilet"

              There are also other options, for example, this one: “...and no one will know where my grave is...”
              And there are toilets on planes.
  27. 0
    6 October 2025 13: 43
    I almost forgot to write for the romantics: from the air, the sea is not at all blue with gentle waves, but always stern, leaden-gray, hostile.

    Yes, I've noticed that. During a long flight, contemplation can easily lead to depression.
  28. 0
    10 October 2025 13: 49
    Off topic. Excuse me, are you familiar with Andrey Zagortsev? His works mention the twin pilots from the MA. I'm rereading them right now.