Where are the Russian troops' unmanned systems?

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Where are the Russian troops' unmanned systems?


Third branch of the military


Drones — our everything. This thesis has been popular almost since the very beginning of the Second Military District. Initially, reconnaissance aircraft reigned supreme, but later FPV aircraft took over, now producing millions of them annually in Russia and Ukraine. And the rate of production will only increase. Ukraine was the first to decide on creating a separate branch of the armed forces.



On February 6, 2024, the enemy acquired a force of unmanned systems with its own separate command and control within the General Staff. Did this provide the Ukrainian Armed Forces with fundamentally new capabilities? No, the enemy offered nothing fundamentally new on the battlefield. The attempt to create a complete kill zone on the front, where only drones would fight, failed. Without personnel, FPV alone is insufficient to contain the Russian offensive. Strictly speaking, Ukraine was supposed to have developed a new branch of unmanned forces.

There are several reasons. The first is the constant shortage of personnel on the front lines. Even a cursory assessment of Russia and Ukraine's mobilization potential required unconventional solutions. Either introduce foreign troops or robotize everything. Where it's impossible to send a company of Ukrainian soldiers to attack, swarms of UAVs will attack.

The second reason for the emergence of unmanned systems is the difference in caliber between the Russian and Ukrainian Armed Forces. Drones, operating both in the near-frontline zone and far beyond Russia's borders, are designed to compensate for the chronic shortage of long-range firepower. In many cases, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) have compensated for the shortage of artillery ammunition, which America and Europe had promised Ukraine. So-called BEKs (unmanned boats) have effectively replaced these weapons for Ukraine. fleet, however, its condition prevented it from inflicting a significant blow on the Black Sea Fleet. And it couldn't have done so by definition—unmanned aerial vehicles at sea are not at all as effective as FPVs on land.


The Russian army had it easier in this regard. Cruisers and ballistic missilesThe widespread use of glide bombs and other firepower was an undeniable advantage on the battlefield. This allowed for a more prudent approach to assault operations, preserving personnel. However, FPV technology was also rapidly developing. It was a priority, but not to the same extent as in Ukraine.

Russia's technical breakthroughs in this area are widely known. These include the use of EW Drones on fiber-optic leashes, the use of heavy octocopters as FPV drone carriers, and other technical solutions. Particularly notable in this context is the evolution of the heavy kamikaze "Geran" drones, which can now be controlled by operators throughout the entire combat mission. However, the critical mass of unmanned systems has grown, and with it the need to organize UAVs into a separate branch of the military. According to statements by top government officials, the unmanned systems force should be established no later than the third quarter of 2025. October is almost here, but there's nothing to report yet about the new structure within the Ministry of Defense. One can only speculate.

Integration or concentration


The emergence of a new branch of the armed forces is viewed with some caution by some experts. Russia already has two separate branches of the armed forces: the Strategic Missile Forces and the Airborne Troops. While Russia's strategic forces, fortunately, have not yet fought, the paratroopers have been at the forefront since the beginning of the Central Military District. Do they operate as separate units? Of course not. The Airborne Forces not only fight with attached forces (tanks, artillery and others), but also significantly changes the concept of combat use, gradually turning into a heavily armed and highly trained infantry.

The fact that the Airborne Forces are still considered a separate branch of the armed forces is more a tribute to tradition than a necessity. One of the distinguishing characteristics of a branch of the armed forces is the use of a unique range of weapons—the Strategic Missile Forces and the Airborne Forces undoubtedly fit this category. But with unmanned systems, things are a bit more complicated. Currently, almost every unit has its own drone operator. Formally, the new branch of the armed forces requires a soldier to be removed to staff a new unit of "drone operators." And they will then provide cover for the unit in combat operations. Clearly, no one in their right mind would do this. This means that not everyone... Drones in the army they will transfer to a new branch of the military.

It's safe to assume that UAV units are currently being formed at the front, superseding those already in service. And this is absolutely the right decision. Three years of special operations have created a fairly stable troop structure, which is not without its flaws, but it has one huge advantage: the army was forged in actual combat, not in exercises. If they begin to assemble new units now by dismantling existing ones, it will lead to collapse. This is most likely why the presentation of the new branch of the Russian Army has stalled.

Based on the size of the Strategic Missile Forces and Airborne Forces (based on indirect evidence), the unmanned systems forces will number at least 60. The enemy's UAV forces range from 40 to 80, consisting of four brigades, five battalions, and two regiments. Logic dictates that Russia should have at least as many. So far, the formation of a separate brigade and one regiment is known. A drone operator is a highly skilled professional, whose training requires no less time and resources than a good sniper. But even if this is achieved, the question arises: where will the commanders come from?

The Strategic Missile Forces and Airborne Forces include the Peter the Great Military Academy and the Ryazan Higher Command School named after General of the Army V.F. Margelov, where it takes five years to train to become a lieutenant. Let's assume that in wartime, the training period will be reduced to two or three years. But this isn't the few months hinted at last year. Let's turn to the other side. The Ukrainian Armed Forces trains its personnel at a training center in the UK in a few months. It seems premature to call the Ukrainian version a fully-fledged branch of the armed forces.

The only thing that distinguishes unmanned systems from everything else is a unified command. The enemy also lacks unified combat systems. They buy directly from local assemblers, each using whatever they can find, and with a hefty dose of corruption. If Russia had decided to directly copy its enemy's experience, a domestic unmanned systems force would have emerged by early summer. They would have set up a training facility somewhere near Voronezh, set up a training ground, come up with all sorts of fancy names for regiments and battalions, and advertised it on television just as eloquently. One can only hope this isn't our path.


The main challenge in staffing the new branch of the armed forces is officers. Where can we find highly trained commanders capable of leading a battalion of "drone operators" into battle? As a reminder, they can't be recruited from the front—they certainly don't have any spare commanders. And the second question is how long will it take to train a lieutenant in the Unmanned Systems Troops? The officer will have to deal not only with primitive FPV systems, but also with heavy fixed-wing drones, octocopters, and wheeled and tracked autonomous vehicles. In this case, the commander will also need a deputy for technical support, who will also need to be trained somewhere. The third question is: does Russia have a range of standardized drones, similar to the line of tanks, armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles? If not, then the deputy technical officer of a drone battalion is not to be envied. However, the deputy technical officer position itself in the UAV Troops system is completely unique—unlike all other formations, the "drone operators" will be updated with new equipment almost every month. Only a highly qualified military man could take on the maintenance of such a fleet.

There are many questions about the Russian Army's unmanned systems forces. It's good that the command decided not to rush to set deadlines and recognized the complexity of the process in time. However, there's still every chance that a new army chevron will be introduced and presented by the commander right before the end of September. If this is done for symbolism's sake, I wouldn't want that to happen.
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  1. +25
    26 September 2025 03: 58
    And if you had Ukrainians What if there were missiles, cruise missiles, and other things in commercial quantities with a developed military-industrial complex? Imagine this situation for a minute... Yeah, right.
    1. +3
      26 September 2025 05: 32
      I'm reading "Notes of an Old Recruit," and I don't know where the author saw parity. Perhaps those present on the forum who participated in the events can explain the situation in more detail.
      1. +15
        26 September 2025 07: 22
        There's no need to repeat the same old steps and the dead-end path of the X-rated. All infantry should be able to assemble and use FPV (and more advanced models). This is the new AK. The Americans and Chinese have taken this exact path, skipping a couple of development stages. So, a soldier, figuratively speaking, receives a SIDOR, an SSh, an AK, a sapper shovel, a canteen, a communications device, a control device (tablet, joystick, or VAR goggles), a couple of ready-made FPV drones, and a kit for several more drones with various attachments. They bring not only ammunition but also disposable batteries in zinc cases. And also attachments. This is what the Chinese and US armies are already developing.
        1. +10
          26 September 2025 07: 44
          Quote: Civil
          There's no need to repeat the same old steps and the dead-end path of the X-rated. All infantry should be able to assemble and use FPV (and more advanced models). This is the new AK. The Americans and Chinese have taken this exact path, skipping a couple of development stages. So, a soldier, figuratively speaking, receives a SIDOR, an SSh, an AK, a sapper shovel, a canteen, a communications device, a control device (tablet, joystick, or VAR goggles), a couple of ready-made FPV drones, and a kit for several more drones with various attachments. They bring not only ammunition but also disposable batteries in zinc cases. And also attachments. This is what the Chinese and US armies are already developing.

          Today, drones are required in all branches of the armed forces: reconnaissance, transport, and relay. The infantry, marines, and airborne forces also require various types of attack drones. Clearly, the Gerani is already a separate branch of the armed forces—long-range unmanned bomber aircraft.
          The author is incorrect about training personnel for unmanned forces. It is entirely possible to train active-duty soldiers and officers. Piloting training is not that long, nor is maintenance training. There are existing simulator programs for drone control and combat use. There is a large pool of drone pilots among players of the Russian computer game WarThunder.
          The internet is full of ads for those who want to learn drone flying.
          The Ministry of Defense leadership belatedly turned its attention to this type of weapon. The Supreme Commander and the Minister of Defense had to personally push for drone production. Maxim Klimov, an author of articles on VO, could have covered this topic better and in more detail, but he's currently too busy with drones for the Russian Armed Forces.
          1. +3
            26 September 2025 15: 39
            Quote: Bearded

            Today, drones are required in all branches of the armed forces: reconnaissance, transport, and relay. The infantry, marines, and airborne forces also require various types of attack drones. Clearly, the Gerani is already a separate branch of the armed forces—long-range unmanned bomber aircraft.

            Absolutely right. Creating unmanned troops is like creating radio troops after the invention of radio.
          2. +2
            27 September 2025 13: 36
            Quote: Bearded
            The Supreme Leader and the Minister of Defense had to personally push for drone production. Maxim Klimov, an author of articles on VO, could have covered this topic better and in more detail, but he's currently too busy with drones for the Russian Armed Forces.

            Yes, the decision has already been made—a new branch of the armed forces is being created. The question is about the command staff, who must be professionally trained not only in drone operations but also in combat interaction with specific branches of the armed forces. Specifically, officer training.
            Therefore, I propose opening unmanned aircraft departments at military universities for the final year, and selecting the best from these departments for the new branch of the armed forces during the final year before graduation. This should be done in all universities and military institutes, according to modern standards. Therefore, officers in the unmanned aircraft department will initially come from all branches of the armed forces, and for them, combat interaction with tank crews, artillerymen, assault infantry, airborne forces, marines, aviation, and missile forces will present no difficulty in understanding and cooperating. Thus, each military university will annually graduate a group of lieutenants already honed and trained in the intricacies of drone operations and commanding such units.
            Special "advanced training courses" should be created for the senior command staff of the new branch of the armed forces, where combat officers with combat experience and experience in coordinating and commanding drone units will be sent for retraining. These officers should be composed of officers of company commander and above. They will be responsible for command and combat coordination with other branches of the armed forces, assigning their units to active Army units and formations and coordinating their combat operations, supply logistics, personnel rotation, and maneuvering unmanned aircraft forces to strengthen a specific area, ensure a breakthrough, disrupt enemy logistics in the near and far rear, mitigate threats in threatened areas, etc., etc., etc.
            Because "PERSONNEL DECIDES EVERYTHING" - Generalissimo Stalin.
            And first of all, these are command and engineering personnel.
            Quote: Bearded
            The internet is full of ads for those who want to learn drone flying.

            I think we can/should revive DOSAAF and organize "Zarnitsa" and "Orlyonok" for young school-age drone pilots. But with the skills/ability to dig in, dig and camouflage a dugout, navigate the terrain, interact with mobile groups of attack aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft, marines, paratroopers, and... a separate discipline – aerial combat with enemy drones and providing air defense for a facility against enemy drones of various designs. Let "Zarnitsa" and "Orlyonok," within the framework of and in cooperation with DOSAAF, train motivated personnel for military service. With the issuance of ranks and qualifications.
            And yes, our Army and Society must be prepared for the return of Compulsory Military Service for all Russian men aged 21 to 28. For a minimum of 2 years, but 3 years is better. An Army with 3 years of compulsory military service is, by definition, a Professional Army with a high level of combat readiness and the quality of its personnel. Specifically, SERVICE FOR ALL MEN IS MANDATORY. And this service should open the doors for young men to civil service, free higher education (but with mandatory placement and at least 3 years of work at a specific place or enterprise). We will not be able to achieve an Army of sufficient numbers and the necessary professional quality by any other means. Remember the experience of trying to create a professional Small Army. Who usually signed up for a contract?
            Those who didn't find their place in this life. That is, people of the appropriate quality and moral principles. They often went because of mortgages, and remember how these "professionals" unanimously filed their reports and returned to civilian life immediately after the start of the military service.
            Do we need such a professional Army?
            Or perhaps Universal Military Conscription is a social contract between the individual and the state. When EVERYONE is obligated to the state, and the state is obligated to everyone.
            And for those who refuse and run away, there should be "stop lists" and a disqualification from civil service, ELECTORAL RIGHTS, the right to socially significant professions (teaching, civil service, medicine, work in defense, strategic, energy enterprises, on television and radio, banking and other financial institutions (including private ones), to hold leadership positions. That is, a disqualification in the full sense of the word. For if a person does not want to serve the state, then the state does not need him.
            We need to build a state of Kshatriyas (WARRIORS), and weed out the Shudras (outcasts) and not allow them to have any levers of power, control or influence on Society.
            Our country and all of humanity are facing very difficult times that will last 15-20 years. And not everyone will survive them. Our society needs internal mobilization.
            And updating the vertical.
            And a paradigm shift in ideology. From the pernicious Ilyinism (the ideology of social parasites) to the ideology of a Solidary Society of Free People... professed by the Slavophiles—the best minds and hearts of Russia on the eve of its revolutionary upheavals, with the imposition of "isms," and the splintering of society into warring groups, communities, and clans. And the cause, main detonator, and precondition for those schisms, upheavals, coups, and civil wars was the ideology of social parasitism that afflicted the ruling classes of the Russian Empire... and which, around the same time, took shape as Ilyinism.
            And as for what Ilyin himself called his ideology... I don't even want to repeat it. Because for me personally, these two words... can't stand next to each other at all and have no right to.
            1. +1
              27 September 2025 19: 25
              Yes, the decision has already been made—a new branch of the armed forces is being created. The question is about the command staff, who must be professionally trained not only in drone operations but also in combat interaction with specific branches of the armed forces. Specifically, officer training.
              Therefore, I propose opening unmanned aircraft departments at military universities for the final year, and selecting the best from these departments for the new branch of the armed forces during the final year before graduation. This should be done in all universities and military institutes, according to modern standards. Therefore, officers in the unmanned aircraft department will initially come from all branches of the armed forces, and for them, combat interaction with tank crews, artillerymen, assault infantry, airborne forces, marines, aviation, and missile forces will present no difficulty in understanding and cooperating. Thus, each military university will annually graduate a group of lieutenants already honed and trained in the intricacies of drone operations and commanding such units.

              The most sensible solution would be not to train UAV unit commanders "from the school bench," but to appoint operators with real combat experience to these positions.
              And the opposite approach - officers should be run through rank and file positions, and only after training should they be entrusted with command of UAV units.
              1. +1
                27 September 2025 22: 34
                Quote: Marlin
                - officers should be put through rank and file positions, and only after training should they be entrusted with command of UAV units.

                A young man, a lieutenant, after graduating from a military university, has already spent 4-5 years in a private and/or sergeant position, usually completed two military internships and all this time he was being prepared for his first officer position.
                I understand you're not a career military officer and have a very poor understanding of how to train command personnel. To give you an idea of ​​what a military university is, it's a combination of high-intensity conscription and training at a specialized university based on the principle of "If you can't do it, we'll teach you; if you don't want to, we'll force you." This regimen lasts for four to five years, plus internships in the military. The only thing that needs to be added now is the introduction of a "Unmanned Aviation" department at every military university. The course duration is the final two years of study. This way, we will get young officers from each branch of the armed forces into the Unmanned Systems Troops (that's what they decided to call them, I think), which will facilitate combat interaction with each of these branches of the armed forces and will allow us to create specialized units for interaction specifically with assault infantry, army special forces and reconnaissance, tank units and parts, artillery and missile units, engineers, the Aerospace Forces, the Marine Corps of the Navy, and, in fact, for groups of such specialists on Navy ships.
                But I'd guess that by this time, they haven't even written combat regulations for this branch of the military. And the organizational structure is still being finalized. It's a new thing, and there's no one to copy it from. Consider us pioneers. So there will be some hiccups, and experiments with canceling and amending previous plans. Or as a friend of mine used to say: "We'll solve the problem by trial and error."
                Quote: Marlin
                A reasonable solution would be not to train UAV unit commanders "from school"

                And from my school days (through DOSAF, Orlyonok, and Zarnitsa), I proposed training future drone pilots so they would enter service with a solid foundation. So that, like we did back in our time with Orlyonok, they would exceed all the basic army standards by 1,5-2 times.
                1. +1
                  28 September 2025 12: 02
                  After graduating from a military university, a lieutenant has already spent 4-5 years in a private and/or sergeant position, usually completed two military internships, and all this time he was being prepared for his first officer position.

                  I know how it went. Almost nothing.
                  If you're talking about a military university, then for ease of understanding, it's a combination of high-intensity, conventional "conscription service" + training at a specialized university based on the principle of "If you can't do it, we'll teach you; if you don't want to, we'll force you."

                  In 90% of cases, conscripts are taught absolutely nothing. The only effective personnel training system in the Russian Federation was (and still is) conducted by instructors, current and former employees of the Wagner PMC. Those in the know will understand the methods used to develop effective soldiers from scratch in just two to four weeks. If they had the desire and ability to learn, then, within a very short time, after gaining initial combat experience, almost any officer was capable of assuming command positions.
                  You, as I understand it, are not a career military man and have an extremely poor understanding of the organization of training command personnel.

                  No, I'm not a career soldier; I've graduated from a military department (the level of training there, when applied to real combat situations, is practically zero). In three weeks, instructors from the former Wagner Group gave me the knowledge and skills equivalent to a mortar battery's Special Security Service.
                  And from my school days (within the framework of DOSAF, Orlyonok, Zarnitsa) I proposed training future drone operators so that they would enter service immediately with good basic training.

                  I completely agree with this. The only difference is that every DOSAAF is different. It all depends on the instructors' professionalism. I studied at one of these centers, at my own expense, and I gained far more knowledge and skills there than at the military department. Many came there with military service experience and even combat experience. They were very surprised.
                  1. +2
                    28 September 2025 18: 00
                    Quote: Marlin
                    The only effective system for training personnel on the territory of the Russian Federation was (and is) instructors who were current and former employees of the Wagner PMC.

                    I met Dmitry Utkin, I know where he's from. And how, in a matter of days, they turned young men and women in the Army, even those who hadn't served in the war, into fighters. People learn quickly in war, especially volunteers. But I'm talking about the training system at military universities specifically.
                    Quote: Marlin
                    I know how it went. Almost nothing.

                    I'm not talking about a "military department at a civilian university," but about the introduction of a new department/discipline of "Unmanned Systems" at military universities. That's something entirely different.
                    Like Dmitry and the Wagner PMC instructors, I graduated from a Soviet military academy, back when they taught us properly—for war against the most powerful adversary. Well, the GRU Spetsnaz (Osa, Lotos) and the KGB Spetsnaz (Vympel, Alpha) always selected the best of the best. But everyone received their basic training and military education at regular military academies (except for warrant officers). I wrote about the idea of ​​adding a separate department to the basic training course for modern officers. After all, a well-trained contract soldier can quickly be trained to become a platoon commander, who can rise to company commander at most, but the basic knowledge and systematic education simply won't be enough for more. And units and parts of the new branch of the armed forces will have to interact with a wide variety (all!) of armed forces. And each has its own specifics and peculiarities. Therefore, unmanned systems units (of various profiles) need to be trained both for these branches of the military themselves and for interaction with them, i.e. for inter-service interaction.
                    Well, the Wagner PMC is a unique structure, having absorbed the best personnel rejected by the Ministry of Defense during the "cleansing of the Army from the Soviets" and several waves of cuts and "optimizations" ... from the best ... leaving the "loyal" ones.
                    Quote: Marlin
                    No, I'm not a career military man, I have a military education background.

                    Well, that's exactly what I meant when I said you had a superficial understanding (no offense intended) of the systematic training of command personnel. The Army is simply a vast and incredibly complex system. It's a combination of many, many systems. Understanding how it's managed and how its component systems interact requires systematic training of command personnel and the appropriate education. Those who taught you so quickly and effectively had this training. And they could teach it themselves.
                    Quote: Marlin
                    Only DOSAAF and DOSAAF are different. Everything depends on the instructors' professionalism.

                    Personnel (management and teaching/instruction) are always fundamentally important. The question is who is leading the entire process and for what purpose. If it's someone like Manturov, it will be sabotage and imitation. If it's someone like Belousov, there's a chance for success.
                    hi
        2. +1
          26 September 2025 15: 05
          Not everyone can operate a drone. It requires both reaction time and specific technical knowledge. And even just using VR goggles can make some people sick. Again, specialization determines the tactics of interaction—who's in the front line (a trained attack trooper with the appropriate equipment) and who provides cover with drones. But the fact that every soldier should be able to highlight a target is true.
          1. +1
            26 September 2025 15: 25
            Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
            Not everyone can operate a drone. It requires both reaction time and specific technical knowledge. And even just using VR goggles can make some people sick. Again, specialization determines the tactics of interaction—who's in the front line (a trained attack trooper with the appropriate equipment) and who provides cover with drones. But the fact that every soldier should be able to highlight a target is true.

            We've been there... "Not everyone can handle a musket/musket/three-line rifle/PPSh..." Well, not everyone, that's why there's still the construction battalion, etc. If you get motion sickness with glasses, work on a tablet. An assault rifle is now a close-combat weapon. Like a bayonet-knife before.
            1. 0
              26 September 2025 21: 39
              According to your logic, every soldier should now be issued an anti-materiel rifle. And the concept of drone use is constantly changing, and so are the requirements. "It's crucial to thoroughly understand the topography, be able to work with maps, apply marks correctly, transmit coordinates, and adjust artillery fire." Also, using a tablet is a disadvantage; only goggles allow for precise and accurate piloting of UAVs. And a drone unit is a trio, like snipers, not a single soldier with a duffel bag and a quad bike. So, at this stage, is it really practical to burden every soldier with all the intricacies of drone operation at the expense of tactical and marksmanship training, plus now also driving buggies, ATVs, and mopeds? In terms of general training, some knowledge should be imparted, but personally, I'm a proponent of narrow specialization, which allows for the most effective use of resources. In the future, of course, when everything is worked out, the army will be filled with mobile aircraft-type drones with folding wings that can be launched from tube launchers (like a compact mortar), and every soldier's helmet will be able to connect with the UAV, then why not.
      2. +2
        26 September 2025 12: 38
        Read "Colonel Nobody" by Sukonkin. It explains the chaos of 2022 very well, practically by name.
    2. -1
      26 September 2025 12: 40
      They have Starlink, which outweighs everything.
      1. -1
        26 September 2025 15: 54
        We also have Starlink
    3. 0
      16 November 2025 04: 31
      First of all, representatives of country 404 should have a brain, not a butt!
  2. -3
    26 September 2025 04: 13
    Never mind, there'll be a mobilization soon, they'll round up the gamers and streamers, dress them in pixel art, and send them to LBS to finish the game)))
    1. -3
      26 September 2025 05: 33
      This is if the borders are closed in time.
      1. -6
        26 September 2025 06: 22
        Quote: ASSAD1

        ASSAD1
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        Never mind, there'll be a mobilization soon, they'll round up the gamers and streamers, dress them in pixel art, and send them to LBS to finish the game)))
        This is if the borders are closed in time.

        Nope!..
        These guys from Georgia and Kazakhstan will be able to terrorize the Ukrainians with drones!
        Just kidding, of course ...
        Most people weren't raised that way.
        For example, those who stormed Upper Lars, or those "citizens of the world" who earned money online in Bali and now quietly returned home...
        I hope they don't defect to the X-rated drone brigades! negative
        1. 0
          26 September 2025 07: 26
          Soon it will be 4 years of SVO, a new generation has grown up.
    2. 0
      26 September 2025 08: 06
      Never mind, there'll be a mobilization soon, they'll round up the gamers and streamers, dress them in pixel art, and send them to LBS to finish the game)))

      Now we have our own, domestic one Multicam, VKPO-2 and VKPO-3.
      An era has passed data...
  3. +17
    26 September 2025 04: 31
    This made it possible to approach assault operations prudently, preserving personnel.

    It's better to remain silent than to lie like that...

    It's good that the command decided not to chase the designated dates and realized the full complexity of the process in time.

    There are no words to describe how good it is, so good that the Ukrainian front is actually being held thanks to drones, no matter what the author makes up:
    Without personnel, it is impossible to contain the Russian offensive using FPV alone.

    Without drones, the Khikhols have no defense, because it is precisely their superiority in both quantity and flexibility in the use of drones of various types and purposes that allows the Khikhols to negate Russia's advantage in aviation and armor.
    And creating separate forces, rather than integrating existing structures into the organization chart based on experience, is a mistake, certainly at this point. Drone deployment structures should permeate the army from the ground up.
    1. +8
      26 September 2025 07: 23
      Without drones, the Khikhols have no defense, because it is precisely their superiority in quantity and the flexibility to use drones of various types and purposes that allows them to negate Russia's advantage in aviation and armor.

      writing/saying this out loud...
      What is the Arbat Military District doing then?
      Yes, if it weren't for the garages and volunteers...
  4. +6
    26 September 2025 05: 25
    Drones and drone operators are needed everywhere. Each unit has a drone team tailored to its tactical needs. There are also separate drone regiments and brigades to address operational-level challenges, even to the point of being assigned their own independent command. Additionally, the Aerospace Forces and Navy cannot avoid having their own unmanned units due to their specific needs.
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      +1
      26 September 2025 17: 42
      Quote: severok1979
      Drones and drone operators are needed everywhere.

      Yes, drones of adequate caliber are needed everywhere. It's like the AK-47s, which are now carried not only by attack aircraft but by everyone, including tank crews and even service personnel.

      Quote: severok1979
      And separate regiments and teams of drone operators to solve operational-level tasks, even to the point of assigning them an independent direction.

      This is absolutely true, and therefore requires implementation. For how can a dynamic advantage be ensured through drones in critically important areas of enemy defense penetration, other than through separate mobile units subordinate to the center and not permanently tied to positional units? Here, an analogy between modern drones and artillery from the Second World War is appropriate:
      Yandex, militera.lib.ru: "During the Great Patriotic War, 86% of the army's artillery was concentrated in the army's breakthrough sector, which constituted 40% of the entire width of the offensive zone."

      Quote: severok1979
      Plus, the Aerospace Forces and the Navy cannot avoid having their own unmanned units due to certain specifics.

      Yes, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces deployed anti-aircraft missiles on unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and lost a Russian helicopter and aircraft as a result, attack drones began to be used to destroy them. Due to the lack of publicly available statistics, it's difficult to say how effective the classic Lancet drone is in this regard. It's possible that a more maneuverable drone is needed, or a mother drone for highly maneuverable FPV missions with an onboard target acquisition and autoguidance system, and possibly a warhead optimized for UAVs.
      For the Aerospace Forces, a promising option is jet-powered carriers of autonomous drones with AI capabilities that can penetrate enemy air defenses at extremely low altitudes and drop a swarm at a target determined by reconnaissance. The target is enemy rear logistics and the disruption of reserve movements.
  5. +2
    26 September 2025 05: 46
    Where can we find highly trained commanders who can lead a battalion of "drone operators" into battle?
    - It seems like there already is such a profession - drone operator.
    There is no need to invent anything, some operators are assigned to the "platoon-company" (at the LBS points), and some are for general military purposes (a new type of troops is already needed).
    Let's remember WWII, the Germans' artillery was tied to mechanized units (their own and subordinate only to them) and combined arms.
    1. +3
      26 September 2025 10: 33
      Quote: Deadush
      Let's remember WWII, the Germans' artillery was tied to mechanized units (their own and subordinate only to them) and combined arms.

      Why mention the Germans? We can also recall our own WWII era. On the one hand, there's infantry artillery, down to battalion and company levels, subordinate to infantry commanders and included in the infantry organization and organization chart. And parallel to that is the artillery of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, which included not only OM and BM units, but also brigades, divisions, and corps with the same "infantry" artillery systems—down to divisional calibers. But all of this is artillery and Main Artillery Command.

      True, this didn't work with tanks. smile Based on the experience of the SFV, standard tanks were taken away from rifle divisions (except for the Far East) due to the complete inability of infantry commanders to use them and the inability of the infantry to maintain their combat readiness.
      PAULOV. Unfortunate fate befell us in the Red Army - and during any war befall - our division tanks. You will excuse my harshness, but I must say bluntly: all that was stated that tanks were necessary in order to teach interaction, today it turned out to be a bluff, no interaction was taught. More than 7 thousand tanks are scattered across divisions and they did not play any role. They were helpless. Battalions of the rifle division, twin T-37 tanks with T-26 - Kutzai organization, low-power T-37 tanks are not able to walk on Malomalsky mud. These battalions, part of the infantry divisions, had no effect. And let them say, let me correct, if I incorrectly say that they were most often turned to the guard of the headquarters of regiments and divisions.
      VOTE. Correctly.
      PAULOV. But this amounts to about 7 thousand tanks. The same battalions that operated from the brigade, they always acted correctly and did the most, because the actions of these battalions were constantly monitored by the headquarters of the brigades.
      © Meeting of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of the command staff to gather experience from military operations against Finland (by the way, regarding the discussion that the Central Committee did not draw any conclusions and did not discuss the SFV).

      And since then, tanks have only been assigned to the infantry.
  6. +2
    26 September 2025 06: 36
    There are many questions for the Russian Army's unmanned systems troops.

    There are many questions... Instead of including UAV companies in the organizational structure of all regiments and brigades, we are creating "unmanned troops" with an unclear structure and even more unclear interactions with units located on the LBS.
    To what extent will drones, whose activity and effectiveness are largely tied to the specifics of the "operation," with established positions and targeted areas, be effective as the nature of combat changes, be it a large-scale NATO aggression with a preemptive strike, while our air defenses are exhausted from fighting cheap drones? Meanwhile, the slow-flying kamikaze aircraft of Bandera's Ukraine can reach Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, St. Petersburg, and Kazan. Moreover, the Ukrainians have the capability to strike nuclear deterrent components (the Voronezh-DM early-warning radar in Armavir and the strategic bomber base in Engels). The Ukrainian Armed Forces have also carried out successful attacks on our long-range air defense systems.
    What conclusions should we draw if our "partners," with whom we are willing to continue trading, despite all their sanctions and de facto participation in the war against Russia, decide that a massive disarming strike with cruise missiles against components of our strategic nuclear forces is possible? What are our anti-aircraft missile stockpiles, and how is Russian territory covered? We need to think about this. There's no end in sight to this bizarre military operation, with Russia as a whole being devastated and our warehouses and arsenals being emptied. Here's the second key question: "We haven't even started yet." When will we begin? When will we put an end to the Bandera regime? This is more important than "unmanned troops" or "piloted troops" without air superiority.
  7. +1
    26 September 2025 07: 00
    Why create a force of unmanned systems if you can't afford them? By the way, unmanned systems don't just include hand-held helicopters, but also huge aircraft, boats, and driverless ground vehicles.
    1. +2
      26 September 2025 07: 33
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, unmanned systems are not only hand-held helicopters, but also huge airplanes, boats, and driverless ground vehicles.

      Well, maybe these troops aren't needed. If all the equipment is so different. Why separate all this stuff out when it can be integrated into what's already there?
      1. +2
        26 September 2025 07: 36
        The technology is different, but the specificity is that the operator sits somewhere far away and, in general, doesn’t care what he controls.
        1. +4
          26 September 2025 07: 37
          Quote: Gardamir
          the operator and he basically doesn't care what he controls.

          Of course, he doesn't care, but there is a difference: whether to control a BEK or a FPV. Whether to sink a ship or kill an infantryman.
          1. +4
            26 September 2025 07: 39
            I agree. It's like pilots, they're all pilots. Except the An-2 is a long-range bomber.
  8. +1
    26 September 2025 07: 00
    The so-called BEKs (unmanned boats) effectively replaced Ukraine's navy, although its condition prevented it from inflicting a significant defeat on the Black Sea Fleet. And it couldn't have done so by definition—BEKs at sea are not nearly as effective as FPVs on land.

    I don't understand this part, it's very convoluted: so are BECs good or bad?
    1. +3
      26 September 2025 10: 35
      Quote: sergey4791
      I don't understand this part, it's very convoluted: so are BECs good or bad?

      BECs are good if the enemy doesn't fight them, neglecting to control the approaches to the bases and the OVR in general.
      And it is bad if the enemy fights according to regulations and instructions, and not according to peacetime habits.
  9. +3
    26 September 2025 09: 10
    In general, for everything good against everything bad
  10. +1
    26 September 2025 10: 20
    The issue of unmanned systems troops needs to be developed following the example of artillery.
    Regiments, brigades and divisions have standard artillery, but in the event of a major offensive operation, artillery regiments and brigades of the RGC are added for reinforcement.
    It is also necessary to create VBS,
    - in regiments and brigades there are regular UAV companies
    - in divisions there are regular UAV battalions
    These units are on staff and report to the regiment/brigade/division commander.
    To ensure effective management of UAV units, the regiment/brigade/division commander must have a full-time position of deputy for unmanned systems subordinate to him.

    Separate regiments and brigades of unmanned systems will be subordinate to the General Staff and will be assigned to combined arms armies during major offensive or defensive operations.

    It is possible that the OVA will have its own separate battalions/regiments/brigades of unmanned aerial systems under Aramaic command.
    1. +3
      26 September 2025 12: 54
      It is possible that the OVA will have its own separate battalions/regiments/brigades of unmanned aerial systems under Aramaic command.

      In principle, yes. The Geranium is no different in its operating principle from the Kalibrs and Iskander-Ks, except for its size and price. They belong in missile units. The FPV is at the platoon/company level, with corresponding subordination. If the FPV were called a disposable guided grenade, then the reporting would follow suit. wink
  11. +3
    26 September 2025 11: 18
    In the same place as "70% new technology." That is, on paper.
  12. osp
    +1
    26 September 2025 15: 26
    Russia has absolutely no need for unmanned aerial systems like Ukraine!
    And I would even say they are harmful.
    Because the level/number of the Russian Armed Forces is not even comparable with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Russia has such an army that all its branches of the armed forces must have their own UAV units - for example, the Strategic Missile Forces have their own, the navy has its own, the artillery has its own, others have their own, and so on.
    This is exactly how it should be.
    This is the right organization.

    And for Ukraine (without Starlink this is nothing) it was simply a necessary step.
    They have no navy, practically no modern aviation, and few tactical and cruise missiles.
    There is also almost no army or attack aviation left.
    That's why drones are everything to them.
  13. +2
    26 September 2025 16: 31
    Proliferating complexity is our everything. Let's create a force of machine gunners and grenade launchers??? Couldn't it be simpler? Training, border guards, training center, drivers, dog handlers, riflemen, armored personnel carrier drivers. Related specialties, I have three of them: battery master, MEP, machine gunner. If necessary, expand the staff, a separate combat unit. + Drone operators. That's it. As for officers, it's so complicated, just look at the screen; a sergeant's rank at most. The article is far-fetched.
  14. +1
    26 September 2025 20: 37
    We shouldn't just make up incomprehensible things, but rather ask the opinions of the soldiers on the ground, including the drone operators, electronic warfare specialists, and other specialties. We should also listen to the junior officers. And do it their way. But if this is done by those who hate all these drones, the internet, modern communications, drones, electronic warfare, new combat methods, new battle management capabilities, innovations in space, and so on—in other words, by those who can't see beyond ushankas, tarpaulin boots, and AK-47s—then it won't work.
  15. 0
    27 September 2025 02: 31
    As noted above, a separate branch of the armed forces for unmanned systems is not needed. They are not such a fundamentally different type of weapon that they require their own structures, like the Strategic Missile Forces, for example.
  16. +1
    27 September 2025 11: 56
    UAV control, reprogramming, and the ability to change some of its components...
    Where can we find potential soldiers and officers?
    Perhaps among those to whom the Ministry of Digital Development issued deferments and reservations?
    1. 0
      28 September 2025 23: 15
      Perhaps among those to whom the Ministry of Digital Development issued deferments and reservations?
      You speak the truth. Now the draft has begun, and irreplaceable and all-around unique IT specialists are rushing to prove they have deferments.
  17. 0
    27 September 2025 12: 12
    What, hasn't a commander been appointed yet? Appoint any colonel... There are no specialists there yet—any honest colonel can handle it. The tasks for now are only related to production, supply, and training. Operators will still serve in regular units: infantry, air force, artillery.
  18. +2
    27 September 2025 17: 21
    The so-called BEKs (unmanned boats) effectively replaced Ukraine's navy, although its condition prevented it from inflicting a significant defeat on the Black Sea Fleet. And it couldn't have done so by definition—BEKs at sea are not nearly as effective as FPVs on land.

    Is it true that Russia, which has first- and second-rank ships and submarines in the Black Sea Fleet, was forced to abandon its main naval base due to the BEK strikes, and can't even feel safe in Novorossiysk and Tuapse? Of all the tasks assigned to the fleet, the Black Sea Fleet can barely fulfill only one—protecting a waterway? Plus sporadic Kalibr attacks, which are significantly less effective than Geranium strikes?
  19. +1
    27 September 2025 19: 20
    - Where can we get commanders?

    From ordinary operators with good performance, appoint commanders.
  20. 0
    28 September 2025 20: 37
    When automatic weapons appeared in the military, they weren't given a separate branch of the armed forces. Drones in war are weapons. Therefore, every soldier should be able to operate drones, just as they should be able to shoot, use a radio, or use an electric razor. This doesn't preclude the existence of elite units within the military, the core of which should be formed by experience in war or experience gained in specialized schools during peacetime. Lengthy training from scratch in a wartime environment is an unacceptable luxury. Training those with a military education is all that can be done under current conditions.
    Drones don't require pot-bellied, sweaty generals and other staff rats who will immediately occupy a new niche, exploiting connections with staff hangers-on like themselves. That will happen immediately after the administrative (formal) creation of a new branch of the armed forces. Generals accustomed to well-fed generals will require more resources for their upkeep than even Biden himself, when he completely lost his mind. For the effective use of drones, two things are needed: the drones themselves and people with military experience in their use, possessing a flexible, agile mind, resourcefulness, and the ability to rationalize. It is their ideas, based on knowledge of the real situation, that should be utilized by rear-echelon design bureaus, literally listening to these soldiers, capturing their every thought, every idea, and every comment.
    1. +1
      28 September 2025 23: 12
      When automatic weapons appeared in the military, they weren't given a separate branch of the military. Drones in war are weapons. Therefore, every soldier should be able to operate them, just as they should be able to shoot, use a radio, or use an electric razor.
      You're right about that. It's just that we simply don't physically have that many drones. We don't produce that many, and we don't produce a wide range of them. The Chinese can afford a show with tens of thousands of drones, but we can't. That's because we buy most of our drones and components.

      It is precisely their ideas, based on knowledge of the real situation, that the rear design bureaus should use, literally looking into the mouths of such soldiers - catching their every thought, every idea and remark.
      In one of the comment threads, someone suggested something similar regarding tank technology. The result was a downvote, and Yaroslavna lamented that they could all be wiped out. But what's the point of these design bureaus if they're so out of touch with reality in their warm, well-lit, and cozy offices?
  21. 0
    28 September 2025 23: 04
    Where are the Russian troops' unmanned systems?

    1 in the project
    2 on paper
    choose any of the options you like
  22. 0
    29 September 2025 11: 39
    I can’t even imagine how we can create something from scratch, let alone an entire branch/type of the military.
    Personally, while I was serving, I started any "new" thing by opening up old plans... laughing
  23. 0
    30 September 2025 00: 44
    UAV units are currently being formed at the front, in addition to those already in the military. And this is absolutely the right decision.

    Not at all – all these units are created on the enthusiasm of the rank and file and on the basis of their sway over the command; for any sneeze or fart, you can easily end up in an assault group...
    On top of all this, there's a complete lack of understanding that, in addition to operators, we also need technicians—someone who can prepare the drone for takeoff, and customize it for the current task...
    Besides "field" technicians, we need our own repair companies for each type of drone, and that means repair battalions—right down to frontline production, when the bulk of the production starts—a batch of drones is released for tomorrow's task, because what's being delivered today was obsolete six months ago. All of this requires not only technicians, but also engineers and programmers—and all of them need to be protected from blockheads...
  24. 0
    2 October 2025 11: 48
    The so-called BEKs (unmanned boats) effectively replaced Ukraine's navy, although its condition did not allow it to inflict a significant defeat on the Black Sea Fleet.

    Didn't allow it?
    Author, is this some kind of joke?
  25. +1
    2 October 2025 18: 18
    Why is the author suddenly demanding a report? Does he really have any authority over the Ministry of Defense, or is he just blabbering on a topical issue? These are my questions for the author.
  26. 0
    25 November 2025 22: 05
    First, the emergence of unmanned aerial systems (UAS) in Ukraine is a necessary measure. It's a matter of time before they find a solution to the UAV problem. Second, the composition, size, and primary purpose of the force are classified. Third, the effectiveness of UAS drones as weapons is often up to 20%. Fourth, the word "experimental" is used.
  27. 0
    12 January 2026 18: 30
    Quote: Bearded
    The Ministry of Defense leadership belatedly turned its attention to this type of weapon.

    That's putting it mildly. Even in 15, it was clear in Syria that a drone was indispensable as a tactical reconnaissance asset. Bayraktars demonstrated decent effectiveness, while our Ministry of Defense was apparently still throwing cavalry figures around on maps. Everyone was showing off the Wundlerwaffe flying behind the Su-57. Ultimately, the Su-57 isn't used at all in the SVO, and the Wunderwaffe went to the Americans.