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Ukraine. This strange love for NATO

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Ukraine. This strange love for NATOQuick look at history It will reveal to us that the West has always tried to create between itself and Russia a kind of buffer, gasket, and a stopper made of "improvised state material."


The experience of long-term use of the “state installation” is seen in the example of Poland and the new “Baltic states”. It is a kind of existence with a clear sense of the host's leg, from which it is dangerous to run far away. Here the term “grasslands” would be quite appropriate. These modern Entente dolls are well managed and executive. Territories for military bases and launch sites, adjustable information howl, “cannon fodder” for “peacekeeping operations” - all this lies on a tray, like bread and salt for Wehrmacht advanced units in Lviv in 1941 year.

The “foothills”, their elites, the majority of the population perfectly understand their “significance”. Of course, the combat capability of the Polish Army or the Estonian Special Forces is still far from sending Polish legions and Baltic divisions to the “American wars”, which showed the experience of their “point” use in Iraq (by the way, as well as representatives of the valiant “Ukrainian viyska”). However, their “significance” lies precisely in the status of “gasket”.

Calling himself a gasket, the state immediately receives a set of loans and even gratuitous donations. Well, as they say, who will fly, and someone to crawl.

Ukraine once flew and made it possible for others to fly. Now, apparently, he is going to crawl, right up to the delivery of scientific and technical achievements to NATO countries, as was the case with the AN-70 project. There is no doubt that without Russia this aircraft will not rise, and the western military industrial complex will only use design ideas. So it’s time for Ukraine to reflect on the tracked version of the AN-70: what is called closer to the ground.

In its love for NATO, the official Ukraine no longer even repeats clumsy political steps with sitting on two chairs - the EU and the CU. She has already climbed into the chair offered to her and is still choosing the right posture - she participates in the NATO exercises "Rapid Trident", "Maple Arch", "Ocean Shield", is waiting for NATO members in traditional summer Crimean maneuvers and in every way "partners for the American world."

Vladimir Mozharovsky, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine, proudly announces the October pioneers: “Ukraine became the first Alliance partner country to take part in Operation Ocean Shield and the only partner country to take part in all current NATO operations.”

Ukrainian generals have long been running ahead of the locomotives of the "NATO preparatory classes" - Georgia, Bosnia, Macedonia - and demonstrate an ardent desire to participate in NATO military operations around the world. Perhaps, so we will now solve the problem of employment?

Remember the cinematic parasite Fedyu from “Operation Y…”, who, after bringing up Shurik, for every request of the head of the LTP came out ahead with a shout: “I! I! I! ”Similarly, General Mozharovsky runs out in front of the NATO system:“ Given the great practical benefits of Ukraine’s participation in international peacekeeping and security operations for training troops, the Ministry of Defense is interested in further expanding participation in international peacekeeping activities. ” I draw your attention: in the operations not of the UN, but of NATO, and above all in Afghanistan. Although he knows for certain what “Afghan hell” is, where he is ready to send young shoots to the independent squad ... They could not beat off their sailors from Somali hooligans, but the Hindu Kush climbed to the Taliban with particular zeal. Here, not today or tomorrow, the Romanian special forces will take Snake Island with a shelf, but give us Kandahar!

France and the Netherlands fled from there, but General Mozharovsky is impatient to start increasing the number of crosses on Ukrainian graveyards ... I wonder if Mozharovsky sees his own grandchildren as "the great practical benefits of participating in international peace and security operations"? Or will we manage with the Donetsk and Crimeans, since the young people of the region collect oranges in Spain and wash their toilets in Milan? Although there is an idea to arrange a test of loyalty to the values ​​of the free West, sending all the assets of Liberty to Afghanistan, let them prove ... By the way, taking into account the sharp increase in the number of people from the “Islamic world” in Ukraine, some of which methodically throw up surprises like metro explosions and marathons NATO assistant is likely to expect shocks of a special kind ...

The West needs a new plug also as a source of abscess, as a constant inflammation at the Russian borders. We barely managed to appoint a new Minister of Defense of Ukraine, whom someone in a hurry called "pro-Russian," as this minister, under the sauce of discussion of joint projects in the field of military-technical cooperation, proposed to revise the agreements on the Black Sea the fleet. What, he had already given the apartments to the officers, obtained fuel for training flights, and nourished his conscripted soldiers? No, of course, but another thing is more important: political presentation, which is to the liking of the NATO customer.

Of course, there are sensible minds in the structures of the Ukrainian government. To neutralize these, they use the proven cudgel of “violations of democratic values”. And sometimes the “values” are remembered not by a homosexual human rights activist from the European Union, but by an official of the Western military-political bloc. Indicates a country whose representatives have difficulty, but still pronounce the phrase “We are a non-bloc power!”.

And the whole story with the enticement of Ukraine in the EU looks more like a military strategic load - control over the territories bordering on Russia, and other enemies of the “peacekeepers”.

NATO members understand that it is necessary to “work” with all categories, but with the military it is simpler by definition. In the Soviet army, a Ukrainian ensign was traditionally considered to be a very valuable unit of a military unit, albeit a thievish, but obligatory and executive. Today, the “Ukrainian ensign” is the best suited for NATO recruiters. And the drama only lies in the fact that a huge country risks being in the role of ensign.
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  1. fellow misha
    fellow misha April 23 2013 06: 43 New
    17
    The project "Ukraina" what can you do, estimates are made, contractors are selected, funds are allocated in the Eureka and in the "dead American presidents" + rotten elites - a fertile field.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 23 2013 15: 37 New
      12
      Sadly, the West drives a wedge between Ukraine and Russia, and the Ukrainian leadership turns a blind eye to this. The collapse of the eurozone and the Western system may sober up Ukraine, but already a generation of Ukrainians has grown up on lies, hatred of Russia ...
      1. Retx
        Retx April 23 2013 15: 59 New
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        Not only closes, but also helps to place the wedge where necessary. And now Ukraine is insulting us more than this West ...
        They officially celebrate the dates of victory over the Russian troops, argue that in principle there are no Russians as a single people, they demand that all the children’s names be abandoned by the Russians, and they are also called Russian “doggy,” they have come up with dozens of insulting ethnic nicknames for Russians and hold demonstrations shouting "to her knife," it blocks the supply and repair of the Russian fleet and demands in an ultimatum form the withdrawal of everything from the Crimea ... As someone correctly noticed, Vania Urgant should pay extra for jokes, not scolding.
        1. Splin
          Splin April 23 2013 16: 01 New
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          Quote: RETX
          They officially celebrate the dates of victory over the Russian troops,

          Well, when was that?
          1. Naval
            Naval April 23 2013 16: 14 New
            +9
            Well, do not remember your own holidays? A "Day of the Battle of Konotop" widely publicized propaganda of Yushchenko.
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 27 New
              +3
              I don’t know what the beekeeper (Yushchenko) was advertising there, but about the battle of Konotop, I just found out. From the Russian resource.
              1. alex13-61
                alex13-61 April 23 2013 17: 35 New
                +7
                So inattentively looking through the local ... The victory over the Russian troops under the command of Sheremetyev was widely covered ...
                But this victory was won with the assistance of the Crimean Tatars ... They paid with which (for assistance) their own people - they gave whole villages to the "yasir" ...
          2. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 23 2013 16: 29 New
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            Quote: Splin
            Well, when was that?

            Did Yusch not celebrate the “victory” in the Konotop “battle”?
          3. avt
            avt April 23 2013 16: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: Splin
            Well, when was that?

            But it doesn’t matter, they will write, justify and will. Do you doubt it?
            1. Splin
              Splin April 23 2013 17: 17 New
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              Quote: avt
              write, justify and will

              That's when they write and approve, then it will be seen how he will take root. In the meantime, do not go ahead in the hell dad.
        2. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 19 New
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          I live in the Khmelnitsky region. Territorically considered as if Western Ukraine.
          But! The May 9th parade every year. In the city, the monuments of Lenin and the Heroes of the Red Army Liberators stood and stand, and no one writes or mocked at these monuments.
          Nobody needs to give up Russian names. Yuck, what are you persecuting !!!!
          I have a surname Russian, in the high school where I work, the vast majority communicate in Russian. My daughter goes to grade 7, so she has Russian language and Literature.
          And if in some village bordering Hungary they don’t understand the Russian language, they don’t understand Ukrainian either. Hungarians live there, what can you take from them?
          1. Retx
            Retx April 23 2013 16: 29 New
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            Am i driving I said everything that happened and happened, and it's true!
            At least sometimes you listen to what is happening in the Rada and what they are shouting from the rostrum. I suggest the Freedom Party.
            - Russians - shit! Russians are Mongols! Russians are not Slavs! The Russian language is the language of pop and cocks! Russians are Asians! Russians are imperials! Russians are biologically incompatible with European values! As I think about the Russians, I want to spit right away!

            And no one stops it, is that normal? The campaign of the Ukrainian government does not care about the relations of our fraternal countries. Although liars and thieves are sitting in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, even they don’t allow this and other nations don’t care about that ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 23 2013 16: 32 New
              +2
              Do you look at his face? A direct descendant of the Neanderthal.
              You do not pay attention to the squeals of macaques.
            2. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 40 New
              +6
              Ukrainian skinhead and what? In Russia there are none, or what?
              That's when the representative of the authorities says this, then it will be official, and so the guy works out the loot. The family is not without a freak, as they say.
              Just do not overlook it as the opinion of the whole country.
              1. Retx
                Retx April 23 2013 16: 52 New
                +9
                I’m talking about the deputy and the “Freedom” party, they anneal most of all. They go on their own wave, provoke everyone, but the people are simple and the reaction is appropriate. In Belarus, this is not, but in Ukraine for some reason this rot is bred. Why and for what? This is a clear provocation ...
                I personally like Russian Ukrainians and wish them well.
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 17: 02 New
                  +2
                  The thing is that there are a minority of such people in Ukraine. But for some reason only they are shown. Here it turns out that in Russia they think they are hated in Ukraine. I was in Lviv on the way. I wanted to have a bite and asked a passerby where is the dining room, or cafe. I asked in Russian and received a normal, cultural answer. In the cafe I also made an order in Russian and no tension. I don’t deny that there is nationalism in Lviv, but it is not elevated to the rank of absolute.
                  And the fact that the local god Ema is freaking out with fat is a dog with them. I don’t remember who said it, and I won’t vouch for accuracy; When I hear the word "intilient", a hand reaches for "Mauser"
                  1. Retx
                    Retx April 23 2013 17: 11 New
                    +1
                    As a rule, a minority makes a stink like a majority. And for the sake of sensations and ratings, the media is organizing a fan! That's the whole layout. There is article 282 for firing up in Russia, but for some reason it is applied to pasties, but not for the Ukrainians, they say they can bear it, and the Rafiki are vulnerable ... They are the titular nation, but the Ukrainians are not there again, how is that ???
                  2. imrek_ua
                    imrek_ua April 23 2013 17: 43 New
                    +4
                    In the original: "When I hear the word" culture "... I take my browning off the guard!". This is from the play Schlageter, by Hans Jost.
                    One of the heroes of the play tells how, after a lost war (World War I) in Germany, in conditions of inflation and unemployment, universal impoverishment on Christmas evening, people come to the theater. It’s cold, at the entrance a barefoot boy pretends to be selling matches, because charity is forbidden. Nobody pays attention to him. And after the performance, when the audience leaves, arguing that Germany did not die while she had her great culture, the boy was already frozen. And then, ending the story, the hero pronounces the famous phrase.
              2. vadimN
                vadimN April 23 2013 17: 07 New
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                Quote: Conepatus
                Just do not overlook it as the opinion of the whole country.


                If the official authorities do not condemn and refute this "vyser", this means only one thing - they silently support and approve of it!
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 17: 36 New
                  -1
                  The authorities can only refute the "vyser" of the official person. The Minister, the diplomat. And he doesn’t call him at all. They pay him, he defames him. They don’t pay, they are looking for someone to sell themselves to.
              3. de klermon
                de klermon April 23 2013 19: 35 New
                +3
                I am very sympathetic to your position on many issues, but I will allow myself to partially disagree: in Russia even among the “skinheads and Natsiks” people who have something against Ukraine and Ukrainians will not be found in the afternoon with fire!)))
              4. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 April 23 2013 20: 17 New
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                Quote: Conepatus
                consider the opinion of the whole country.


                And I like how he [i] fights back!

                In fact = what is a booth? Do not go, as they say, to the individual.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac April 23 2013 16: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Conepatus
            Nobody needs to give up Russian names. Yuck, what are you persecuting !!!!

            They are trying to drive a wedge between Russia and Ukraine not only from Ukraine, but also from Russia. State Department agents, mouse and keyboard fighters sit on Russian sites and drive Ukrainians on behalf of Russia.
          3. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 23 2013 16: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Conepatus
            Nobody needs to give up Russian names. Yuck, what are you persecuting !!!!

            "Patriotic" Sabbath in Lviv kindergarten:

            Isn't that the norm for Western Ukraine?
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 49 New
              +4
              Once again I will repeat (to those who are in the tank) A daughter at school teaches Russian language and literature. This is a compulsory program. In other schools as well. And since when did the nonsense of the Lvov kindergarten become the norm for Ukraine?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 23 2013 17: 15 New
                +7
                Quote: Conepatus
                And since when did the nonsense of the Lvov kindergarten become the norm for Ukraine?

                Since then, as Farion became a deputy of BP
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 17: 41 New
                  +4
                  Farion, a deputy for 5 years, and our peoples live on together.
                  1. Tverichanka
                    Tverichanka April 23 2013 21: 48 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Conepatus
                    and our peoples live together further

                    Something tells me that for a very long time we will not live together. The motion vectors are multidirectional. We continue to scatter and while there is not even braking, not that movement towards rapprochement.
                2. Aeneas
                  Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 24 New
                  +1
                  Zyrik has been in your parliament for 20 years. Here are roughly the same number of people voting with you (LDPR) and ours (Freedom).
                  1. Conepatus
                    Conepatus April 23 2013 21: 42 New
                    +3
                    Ne.Do not touch Volfovich. In the dashing 90s, only he and Zadornov amused me. "Comedy" and "Our Rush" were still not there.
              2. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. April 23 2013 17: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: Conepatus
                A daughter at school teaches Russian language and literature. This is a compulsory program. In other schools as well. And since when did the nonsense of the Lvov kindergarten become the norm for Ukraine?

                You all in western Ukraine almost completely vote for such farion and tyagnibokov.

                And about the language:
                V. Kolesnichenko. “European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Report on its implementation in Ukraine, as well as on the situation with the rights of linguistic minorities and manifestations of racism and intolerance ”
                http://www.from-ua.com/politics/e62743796b72a.html

                Who to believe? Kolesnichenko or you? Zapadentsev's protests against the introduction of the Russian language as a regional one in the East of Ukraine and the South before the elections have not been forgotten yet.
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 17: 29 New
                  +3
                  According to this charter, for example, in areas where the vast majority of Russians, official documents (all kinds of statements, protocols, etc.) can be written in Russian. What is wrong?
                  1. Splin
                    Splin April 23 2013 17: 43 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Conepatus
                    According to this charter, for example, in areas where the vast majority of Russians

                    Do not confuse: not Russian but Russian-speaking and not the vast majority, but only 10%. The decision must be approved by the local council. But all the same, documents should be duplicated on state. language.
                    1. Aeneas
                      Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 29 New
                      0
                      no decision by the local council is needed. Although such decisions were made in some regions of the Southeast as a political act. There were even some excesses when in the Odessa region the Russian-speaking majority denied the Bulgarian the regional status of Bulgarian (they have the right, there are more than 10% of them) .. Well, and the state language. Actually, why should the state Ukrainian language in the state of Ukraine be banned?
                2. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 17: 39 New
                  -1
                  The keyword "Before the election"
                  Do you believe politicians?
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac April 23 2013 17: 44 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Nikolay S.
                  Who to believe? Kolesnichenko or you? Zapadentsev's protests against the introduction of the Russian language as a regional one in the East of Ukraine and the South before the elections have not been forgotten yet.

                  We believe our relatives from Ukraine, and not pro-Western trash.
                4. Technocrat
                  Technocrat April 23 2013 18: 35 New
                  +2
                  As in Ukraine, they did not forget the statements of a certain president that only his country is a winner, and the rest are so-called "uninvited volunteers." And I note that on this site no one spoke out against, no one. So there’s nothing to blame for the mirror .....
              3. from Kiev
                from Kiev April 23 2013 21: 21 New
                +9
                Yes, you yourself apparently live in a tank. I live in Kiev. My son studied in 167 s. The school has always been Russian. at that time the last Russian school in the area. It's about the year 2002. So, then from the 7th grade they announced that now there will be no Russian language and literature. There will be a short course of foreign literature in Ukrainian. If you wish, study Russian optionally, or there is another school in Kiev in the center where Russian has remained. In traffic jams to and from the center, there is no working day. I had to transfer the child to the Lyceum at the KPI. There, teaching was also conducted officially in Ukrainian. Although, teachers without much publicity taught lessons in Russian. Then there was a polytechnic, where teaching is conducted exclusively in Ukrainian, even sopromat. In short, I consider myself an engineer with solid experience and knowledge, I studied from the school and Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​in Kiev. I never experienced difficulties in communication, but now, in the wake of Ukrainization, the Ukrainian language has quickly turned into a meaningless remake. I should make certain efforts to recognize generally accepted terms in mathematics, physics, chemistry, and other exact sciences in the products of irrepressible word-making. Both for me and for many of my peers who have worked and still work in the system of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, on prom. enterprises forced Ukrainization of education is not a little trouble. Takes a lot of time for unnecessary mandatory translations, despite the fact that the efficiency of science and production is not so great. At the same time, a whole generation has been trained who does not understand the generally accepted technical terms in Russian. Personally, I perceive this Ukrainization of education as a very effective means of reducing the intellectual level of the population of Ukraine.
                1. Aeneas
                  Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 53 New
                  +1
                  there are few Russian schools in Kiev, that’s true. And there was a clear inflection, when there were almost no Ukrainian schools under the Union, the Ukrainian truth was studied and there were separate classes, and now Russians are suffering. Today, parents must collect signatures, ii, voila! Russian have provide. This is a positive introduction to education from the regionals, although I am skeptical about them. And teaching at the KPI has always been in Russian, or in “bilingual”.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin April 23 2013 22: 00 New
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                    Quote: Aeneas
                    Ukrainian truth was studied and there were separate classes,

                    I was small in the GDR then in Hungary. Upon arrival in Ukraine, I studied normally subjects in the school "Ukrainian language" and "Ukrainian literature" along with Russian counterparts. And this is in Donetsk. There were no excesses as in Ukraine under independence.
                    1. Aeneas
                      Aeneas April 23 2013 22: 21 New
                      +2
                      during the Union, children of military personnel were exempted from studying Ukrainian. That laf was with the boys!
                      1. Splin
                        Splin April 23 2013 22: 24 New
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                        Quote: Aeneas
                        during the Union, children of military personnel were exempted from studying Ukrainian.

                        Who said? He taught like everyone else. The first year, except that they did not give ratings.
                      2. Conepatus
                        Conepatus April 23 2013 22: 45 New
                        -1
                        You couldn’t teach. I studied in a Georgian class. Aludauri Zorik. He had military parents, so he didn’t teach. She was a girl, sorry I don’t remember our name, she studied for 3-4 months. So she also didn’t .Could not learn the Ukrainian language, the children of the military, who came from other republics.
                      3. Splin
                        Splin April 23 2013 23: 00 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Conepatus
                        Children of the military who came from other republics could not learn the Ukrainian language.

                        I agree with this clarification. But I was born in the USSR, and my parents also wanted me to know the language of the republic. The younger brother of Armenian (even though he is Ukrainian) also taught when he lived there with his parents.
            2. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 23 2013 22: 34 New
              +1
              I don’t care about Kiev. For a long time, everything is different there than in all of Ukraine.
              Today is April 23, 2013. And as of this day, my daughter has such subjects as Russian language and Russian literature in the curriculum. What am I glad about, though Pushkin will teach in the original.
              By the way, these subjects can not be taught, but you need a written statement from the parents. There are 28 people in the class. Nobody refused. But more than half of them refused to go to German. Students are gathered from the 3rd grade in order to conduct a German lesson.
        3. Splin
          Splin April 23 2013 17: 22 New
          0
          And how Zhirik annealed at one time. Farion is a young politician of regional bottling. And for the sake of ratings, it’s so scandalous.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 23 2013 17: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: Splin
            Farion is a young politician of regional bottling
            Member of the CPSU Irina Farion - YOUNG politician? Do not make me laugh
            According to a former lecturer at Lviv University Gennady Atamanchuk, who gave a course of lectures at the Faculty of Philology, Irina Farion was a member of the CPSU even before entering the university, she was a member of the party bureau of the faculty and left the party only after the failure of the August putsch of the State Emergency Committee
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%E0%F0%E8%EE%ED,_%C8%F0%E8%ED%E0_%C4%EC%E8%F2%F0
            % E8% E5% E2% ED% E0
            1. Splin
              Splin April 23 2013 17: 45 New
              -1
              Quote: Misantrop
              Member of the CPSU Irina Farion - YOUNG politician?

              You may be surprised - but the CPSU member is not a politician. We had half the country then.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin April 23 2013 17: 49 New
                +5
                Quote: Splin
                You may be surprised - but the CPSU member is not a politician. We had half the country then.

                And this is not a question of membership in the CPSU, but a question of "youth." laughing
                1. Splin
                  Splin April 23 2013 17: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Garrin
                  And this is not a question of membership in the CPSU, but a question of "youth"

                  Confused again. Like a woman, she is already trash. But politicians have no age limit. You can start practicing it at 20, or maybe forty.
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop April 23 2013 20: 58 New
                +6
                Quote: Splin
                We had half the country then.
                Half the countries that joined the CPSU still BEFORE university? belay Maybe we lived in different countries? I got my membership card almost at the same time as officer epaulettes. But to get into the party to the university and not be at the same time aimed at politics - that was definitely not then. Well, the fact that she only managed to crawl out of the regional level IMHO only indicates her pathological dullness. And nothing more
                1. Splin
                  Splin April 23 2013 21: 05 New
                  -1
                  I'm a little younger. My limit is Komsomol. As for the difference between the CPSU and the diploma. You never thought that she could enter a university later in her age.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop April 23 2013 21: 53 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Splin
                    You never thought that she could enter a university later in her age.

                    Google ban is a scary thing lol I did post a link to the wiki specifically to compensate for this. Or is it locked too? Well, if so, then she was born in 1964, she graduated from the philological faculty of LSU in 1987. By a simple calculation, we find out that she was 23 years old then. And at the university she was already a member of the party bureau of the faculty. If you take into account that before receiving a membership card there was still a mandatory one-year seniority, and entry required at least two recommendations of the CPSU members, we get that she went into politics from a young age and, as they say, without soap ...
                  2. Conepatus
                    Conepatus April 23 2013 22: 05 New
                    0
                    But it looks older than its age. Everything was worn out, or rather in all places, while it climbed to the top. laughing
              3. Garrin
                Garrin April 23 2013 21: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                only evidence of its pathological dullness. And nothing more

                Or that the Natsiks have gained strength and political weight in this state entity called Ukraine.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop April 23 2013 21: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Garrin
                  Or about the fact that the Natsik gained strength and political weight in this state formation
                  Igor, believe that one to the other is not a hindrance. Especially in this corner of the political terrarium. There stupidity is more valuable than valor lol
                2. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 23 2013 22: 49 New
                  -1
                  My dear, no one calls your place of residence a national entity, here you are silent.
                  Any clever thoughts?
                  No? -Come on bye.
          2. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 30 New
            0
            here we had KaPeSeS.
        4. alex13-61
          alex13-61 April 23 2013 17: 39 New
          +4
          Yryna Khfarion is a burnt old politician .. now the Slobodovsky flood ..
          So, you are the one who saves ...
      2. kind
        kind April 23 2013 18: 00 New
        +3
        Interestingly, do they measure the shape of the skull there, in order to determine their belonging to the race of great ukrov ?!
  • Prokop
    Prokop April 23 2013 17: 54 New
    +3
    ShturmKGB
    Sadly, the West drives a wedge between Ukraine and Russia, and the Ukrainian leadership turns a blind eye to this

    It seems to me that you underestimate * the Ukrainian leadership * a little, it is with wide open eyes, in a rack of waiting for teams from its western * partners *, they are ready for any meanness (do not care about the people of Russia in general, and Ukraine in particular) thinking that they, for good behavior will allow you to swim in the milk rivers and sunbathe on the jelly banks!
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 23 2013 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Prokop
      for good behavior will allow you to swim in milk rivers and sunbathe on kissel

      One should be careful with the jelly, otherwise they will be stuck in like a fly in molasses. And it will not be long to die. Although, it is probably more pleasant to choke on jelly.
  • Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 23 2013 18: 03 New
    +4
    ShturmKGB
    Sadly, the West drives a wedge between Ukraine and Russia, and the Ukrainian leadership turns a blind eye to this. The collapse of the eurozone and the Western system may sober up Ukraine, but already a generation of Ukrainians has grown up on lies, hatred of Russia ...



    Ukraine was sold in bulk and retail by its "first person". The population is brainwashed. Citizens Ukrainians, well, aren't you even tired of such power? After all, these will leave and others will come. And all in a circle. After all, you are the Slavs and not the lackeys of Europe.
  • Kaa
    Kaa April 23 2013 19: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: comrade misha
    Project "Ukraina" what can you do

    "Now the authorities are only concerned with stuffing their own pockets. All regional power companies, regional gas companies, thermal power plants, water utilities have passed into private hands and their owners are trying to get the last profit until this whole system collapses. The utilities in the utilities are 80% worn. Pipes have not changed from 70- x years and no one is going to change them. There is no money for this. The country has long been living in debt, and the loans taken are transferred to offshore and deposited in the accounts of Ukrainian oligarchs. In a few years, the entire communal system will come to an end. And everyone will feel it urban residents, since no personal wealth will save from the fact that the old rusty pipe will burst and the most fashionable house in the center of Kiev will be left without heating.
    21 years of independence led Ukraine to complete collapse. Instead of trying to find a real way out of this situation, the president and the prime minister make some fantastic plans and travel around the world in search of cheap gas and new loans, continuing to read mantras about the European choice.
    The other day there was one event that showed the future fate of Ukraine. Three days ago, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kyrgyzstan, Zhantoro Satybaldiev, announced that Gazprom would be given Kyrgyzgaz for one dollar. In exchange, Kyrgyzstan demands uninterrupted supplies of Russian gas.
    Russia has already built the Nord Stream gas pipeline and began construction of the South. Gas transit through Ukraine was cut in half, a few more years, and no one will need our rusty pipe. But instead of joining the Customs Union, agreeing to lower gas prices, creating a gas consortium, the president is trying to simultaneously go to the European Union and a little bit to the Customs Union. Apparently, they forgot to explain to him in childhood that one should not be slightly pregnant. Due to the lack of demand for metal in Europe, our last metallurgical plants, giving a large share of budget revenues, are shutting down. The same thing happens with the chemical industry. Thousands of workers are thrown into the streets and the only thing left for them is to go rob banks and shops or sell their bodies. Let me remind you that a 1% increase in unemployment causes a 5% increase in crime. The country is plunging into chaos, and our feudal oligarchic occupation power is not going to seek a way out of this situation.
    If tomorrow the end of the world takes place, then going to Ukraine he will turn back, deciding that he has already been here, so there is nothing for the Ukrainians to worry about. Our government managed to organize the end of the world in a single country. Http://skorohodov.from-ua.com/view/3518
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 33 New
      -2
      this is not a good picture, kindle however. Resettlement and household ugrantinism is emerging.
  • biglow
    biglow April 23 2013 12: 52 New
    +9
    Bendera play out that at one fine moment they wake up in Poland, and Europe will be to them ..
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 25 New
      +3
      In Poland, Bandera is hated even more than in Russia.
      We’ll think what we are writing, no?
      1. bogdan
        bogdan April 23 2013 16: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Conepatus
        In Poland, Bandera is hated even more than in Russia.
        We’ll think what we are writing, no?

        I would even say this: In Poland, they hate the bandander even more than in Ukraine.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 23 2013 16: 52 New
          +2
          It is possible and so to say
    2. Splin
      Splin April 23 2013 17: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: biglow
      Bendera play out that at one fine moment they wake up in Poland

      Next week, the Polish Sejm want to make the OUN-UPA illegal.
      1. from Kiev
        from Kiev April 23 2013 21: 30 New
        +5
        I would regard the Polish anti-Bender demarche as a warning and a signal to the nationalists that we must be more active. Because if you lose for the struggle for an all-Bandera Ukraine and it bursts, the western part will fall under the protectorate of Poland and it will not seem enough to them.
        Which is like a Polish detachment with machine guns behind the backs of the upcoming Bendera chains.
      2. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 34 New
        +3
        that Poles have their own hands to the elbow in Ukrainian blood, from whom it is not moral to listen to morality from them.
    3. nnz226
      nnz226 April 23 2013 18: 20 New
      +2
      Hurry up! Then for blathering: "Glory to Ukraine!" they would immediately receive a “chervonets” and - chop a coal in the mines of Silesia.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 41 New
        +3
        it turns out funny, in the 96th I "blundered": Slavaava, Slaava in the parade of Independence Day. By your logic, all ceremonial boxes in the amount of several thousand officers, cadets and soldiers should go to the mines in bulk to learn new professional skills? repeat ... grabbing weapons and equipment.
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 23 2013 15: 33 New
    19
    It will play out Ukraine will throw them NATO as Georgia threw
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2013 15: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: Ak 12
      It will play out Ukraine will throw them NATO as Georgia threw

      And what other fate may be for those who forget history ...
      1. domovoi
        domovoi April 23 2013 15: 51 New
        10
        the saddest thing is that then all these "independent, such as Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states" will resort to Russia again, and again she will help them at her own expense. there are no radicals in the government
    2. folds
      folds April 23 2013 17: 59 New
      0
      NATO has not abandoned Georgia, but has rearmament and is preparing for new achievements in the same spirit
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: plis
        and prepares for new achievements in the same spirit

        And we are always ready to take part in their accomplishments. Did you see it like August 2008? .. Wouldn’t it be awesome if it is quiet, because they will get it again on the hill. Only the next time it will be more.
    3. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 55 New
      -1
      you’re strange. Ukraine is officially, and not officially, not going to any NATu. Who will throw something?
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik April 23 2013 15: 43 New
    +6
    Quote: Ak 12
    It will play out Ukraine will throw them NATO as Georgia threw


    Hint at a lightning throw fellow Russian paratroopers to Kiev !? repeat
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 23 2013 15: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: pa_nik
      Hint at the lightning-fast rush of the Russian paratroopers to Kiev !?

      Why, they have enough of their paratroopers for that throw. After all, people are not fools; there are few hunters to die for NATO in Ukraine ...
      1. domovoi
        domovoi April 23 2013 15: 54 New
        +3
        to die for NATO is not enough, but for money - more than enough. afghan and iraq example
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: domovoi
          and for money - more than enough.

          That's it ... As one acquaintance from Ukraine used to say, “Why, sho, it’s the same money!” And with such a gasp ... I immediately and unconditionally believe that I’ll agree to anything for money ...
      2. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 23 2013 21: 57 New
        +2
        I saw Russian paratroopers in Kiev at the Victory Day Parade. and what are you talking about what kind of "lightning throw"?
    2. geo185
      geo185 April 23 2013 15: 56 New
      +4
      why Kiev to Crimea
  • kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 April 23 2013 15: 44 New
    +3
    how to give throw throw !!! History has repeatedly shown that there is no faith in them, in any way no!
  • kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 April 23 2013 15: 44 New
    +5
    how to give throw throw !!! History has repeatedly shown that there is no faith in them, in any way no!
  • domovoi
    domovoi April 23 2013 15: 44 New
    11
    Apparently the Foreign Ministry does not understand this. .. Want a 100% recipe? 1) BRIC refusal from the dollar (this is the most difficult and important), 2) the complete economic blockade of Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states. without the "paper" (which today is called money), the us will not be able to scatter funds and allocate them to all sorts of whores. The result is a complete f * ck in these countries, right up to the civil war :)
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: domovoi
      .. Want a 100% recipe?

      And why do we need this? Prove that they can’t do much without Russia? And they will understand. I think that nobody should plan special podlyans, let alone implement them. There’s an excellent Russian proverb - "It won’t come from the head, it’ll come from Well ... we’ll. We’ll wait until it reaches us. It’s not dropping on us. And time is working for us. But it may be too late for some. Well, that’s their right.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 23 2013 15: 49 New
    +5
    Yes! How many more possible weaves in Ukraine.

    It’s necessary in the EU, then go ahead:
    Release Tymoshenko is a condition of the European Union.
    Conducting early, “democratic” elections, with the victory of the Orange, is a condition of the opposition.
    Holding the current government accountable is the undeniable task of a "triumphant democracy."
    To carry out reprivatization - whoever is in power is better.
    And so on......

    It is time for the current government to think, at least about their future. I won’t be surprised if, in the event of the victory of the opposition, many of those currently in power will be on the special list of the USA and the EU, then there is only one way - your house is a prison.
  • Splin
    Splin April 23 2013 15: 50 New
    -12
    I can’t eat. With what fright did the Russians decide that Ukraine seeks NATO? Or the principle: "He who is not with us is against us." Under this motto, you can definitely split my country in half. Mate wants to swear at such theorists.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi April 23 2013 15: 53 New
      +2
      I bet if you tell people that soldiers will be paid 5k cu, half the country will be FOR, and half will be indifferent, as now?
      1. Splin
        Splin April 23 2013 15: 57 New
        0
        Quote: domovoi
        if you tell people that soldiers will be paid 5k cu

        To say - not to do. In Ukraine, such noodles have not passed for a long time.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 23 2013 17: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: domovoi
        if you tell people that soldiers will be paid 5k cu
        then they will immediately clarify: "For the WHOLE term and for ALL, including the minister?" laughing
    2. Canep
      Canep April 23 2013 16: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Splin
      Under this motto, you can definitely split my country in half.

      She herself will split, without any mottos. The interest of the industrial east in rapprochement with Russia and the interest of the nationalist west in friendship with the EU and NATO are “not a mess”.
      1. Splin
        Splin April 23 2013 17: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        The interest of the industrial east towards rapprochement with Russia is in the face

        Yes bootet You know that the industrial east is oriented to the West and China. And if about people in the east of Ukraine - yes. Most focuses on friendship with Russia. But neither the Left Bank nor the Right Bank wants to give up their sovereignty.
    3. radar75
      radar75 April 23 2013 19: 33 New
      -4
      Everything is simple here. Pay attention to the words that NATO wants to create a buffer zone. So here. Russia wants to create this zone. First World War. Where did the fighting go? Correctly. On the territory of Ukraine. Second World War. Who suffered the most? Ukraine. From the beginning they fought from west to east, then back.
      Lord! No need to hide behind a loud phrase about Slavic friendship. you need a BUFFER.
      And now, minus.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 23 2013 20: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: radar75
        Who suffered the most? Ukraine.

        And in my opinion Belarus has suffered the most! So do not measure ....
        1. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy April 24 2013 11: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: Egoza
          And in my opinion Belarus has suffered the most! So do not measure ....

          It’s stupid to measure the dead, of course .. But I would like to clarify what aggravates the grief and misfortune of the Ukrainians that from 1914 to 1960 (with short breaks) there was a fratricidal war. Where else was this in history?
      2. Curculum
        Curculum April 23 2013 21: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: radar75
        First World War. Where did the fighting go? Correctly. On the territory of Ukraine.

        About the Ukrainian state-territorial formation in various variations a little later began to dog, in the times indicated by you nobody heard about Ukraine. More “poles” or “peers” were more worried about the Poles with the Austro-Hungarians - your liberators?
        Quote: radar75
        Second World War. Who suffered the most? Ukraine.

        During the Second World War, which was and remains for many here present as the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet Union suffered, and some of the republics and their parts that were part of it were under German occupation. But the latter does not mean that the inhabitants of the territory, for example, modern Kazakhstan, suffered less or suffered smaller losses, both physical and moral: it was hard for all citizens of the USSR.
        Quote: radar75
        Lord! No need to hide behind a loud phrase about Slavic friendship. you need a BUFFER.

        Is it safer for the driver and passengers with the buffer or do you have other data?
        And why such “geopolitical” identifications? In this case, the Romanians, for example, slowly bite off the "buffer" ... Yes, and the Turks are not averse, already brushing their teeth ...
      3. dddym
        dddym April 23 2013 22: 03 New
        0
        You tell the Belarusians fool The buffer zone was in the Warsaw Pact countries and Ukraine was an integral part of the USSR what kind of buffer are you talking about? And if Ukraine will be part of the union - then what kind of buffer can we talk about? Your heads were filled with the shit that Goebbels was still promoting, and you joyfully grabbed everything that you were told and shit :( I always supported Ukraine because I considered them brothers and would never want such a “buffer”.
    4. from Kiev
      from Kiev April 23 2013 21: 33 New
      0
      Very subtle trolling! Bravo!
    5. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Splin
      Mat wants to swear at such theorists

      We shouldn’t have to swear at our own practitioners. We have battered here and bainki. And from our theories no one is cold and not hot. But you can definitely lose sleep from your practitioners. Moreover, mind you, you have an order of magnitude more than us.
      1. Splin
        Splin April 23 2013 22: 28 New
        -1
        The devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
  • xmike
    xmike April 23 2013 15: 51 New
    +2
    The teachings of the "Rapid Trident" "already bleat hunting .... Let your people ask where they should go!
    1. domovoi
      domovoi April 23 2013 15: 56 New
      +3
      Do you think the crowd will break in the vehicle? yes people where much, if only f * c in warmth and more money. and on history, cooperation in various fields, all deeply sh * t
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: domovoi
        Yes, people do not want to, if only f * ck in heat and money

        Well, let's not let ALL hang up labels by yourself. You’ll be surprised, but I don’t give a damn about it. I (and many others) have completely different values.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 23 2013 22: 03 New
      +3
      why did you build NATO under the Lenin House-Museum in Simbirsk? ... Russia, especially the Navy, regularly conducts exercises with NATO. All these exercises have no political connotation, and the same Kazakhs, members of the CSTO and CU, participate in NATO contingents. In Afghanistan, Ukrainians have several medical people, and not a full battalion in Kosovo.
  • Naval
    Naval April 23 2013 16: 19 New
    +4
    They do not need either Europe or NATO, to feed their own people, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, not to mention the Romanians and the Baltic states with the Poles. NATO treats Ukraine as a well-known rubber-latex product, used and threw it away.
  • bogdan
    bogdan April 23 2013 16: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Conepatus
    In Poland, Bandera is hated even more than in Russia.
    We’ll think what we are writing, no?

    I would even say this: In Poland, they hate the bandander even more than in Ukraine.
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 23 2013 17: 04 New
    +4
    The video perfectly tells who else loves and remembers the Union and the Victory, and who "VZHE TIKI TO SEB !!!" - in a word, these are the young people who grew up on the “Euro-gum” and “NATO-gaskets”. SORRY!
    That is OK. We have an Orthodox Bible with the legend "The Return of the Prodigal Son"! And if they decide THEN to return, THEN they will get a laid table and expensive clothes, But what about HERITAGE? Read and decide for yourself, "brothers"!
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: morpod
      THAT will receive a set table and expensive clothes,

      Yeah, but you don’t need anything yet? We’ve all done it already and more than once in our history. And I’ll tell you, GOOD !!!!!!!!!! There will be no more table or gingerbread. Anyway until then until you learn to say thank you.
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 23 2013 17: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: Naval
    NATO treats Ukraine as a well-known rubber-latex product, used and threw it away.


    The sad thing is that in Ukraine this is normal and they are doing everything so that this is always the case.
    1. Splin
      Splin April 23 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      The sad thing is that in Ukraine this is normal and they are doing everything so that this is always the case.

      You know, when a patrol called me X ... l in Novorossiysk, it’s only because I have the emblem of Ukraine on my passport. Although these pasties had a secondary education and two years in the army, I somehow doubted my desire for your policy. I have been to many countries, even to Venezuela. Nowhere do policemen have that kind of hatred and hatred. Change yourself, then nod to others.
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 23 2013 22: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Splin
        Venezuela. Nowhere do policemen have that kind of hatred and hatred.

        So neither in Venezuela, nor in Madrid do they call us "damned moles ..." And there’s nothing to blame for the mirror. "Isn’t it better to turn on yourself, godfather?”
        1. Splin
          Splin April 23 2013 22: 53 New
          0
          I didn’t know in Madrid. There was truth in Barcelona. That's not exactly what they call it. And what PPP patrol did you personally call so in Ukraine? One thing is politics or ordinary citizens. And then I did not see such (all their courage is present in front of the monitor). And these are representatives of the executive branch in the form of law enforcement agencies. Maybe in Russia this is the norm of things? In Ukraine, this is unacceptable. Or have you seen the BBC too?
          1. Curculum
            Curculum April 23 2013 23: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Splin
            And then I did not see such (all their courage is present in front of the monitor).

            1. Splin
              Splin April 23 2013 23: 23 New
              0
              This is the "crowd effect". They seem to bathe like Pugs together on this and calm down.
              1. Curculum
                Curculum April 23 2013 23: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Splin
                This is the "crowd effect". They seem to bathe like Pugs together on this and calm down.

                Unfortunately, such a "crowd effect" tends to increase, the composition of the Rada of the latest elections is one of the confirmations.
                The BBC, by the way, does not notice this, but if there is a procession of antipodes on Red Square in Moscow with cries of "hohl a count", then they will be "ahead of the rest." Maybe this happens in the capital of the Russian Federation, but I do not know, and you?
      2. HAIFISCH
        HAIFISCH April 23 2013 23: 51 New
        +2
        Do not judge us all because of two sheep, many in the Kuban have ancestors from Ukraine, we only wish you good
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop April 23 2013 17: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: GoldKonstantin
    in Ukraine, this is normal
    Each condom imagines itself a border guard laughing
  • Best novel
    Best novel April 23 2013 17: 55 New
    +3
    Don't live and the Vilnius uterus Ukraine flourishes (sorry for grammatical errors, if any) - I remembered that phrase from the school (1985-1989), where there were 15-20% of Ukrainians. And the reaction was absolutely calm, to “crest” and “ m-os-ka-l "no one was offended. I think that the problems are somewhat exaggerated, if anyone could find it beneficial, most likely there are such inflators on both sides. I wonder why the word ... is only allowed through a bunch of dashes?
  • rdragon
    rdragon April 23 2013 18: 39 New
    0
    A sharp minus to the author from the first paragraph. I will support the opinion about the Balts (50%), but when the clown who most likely saw the war and the dead comrades on TV writes about Ukrainian vіysko in Iraq, he ... he went nude ....
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 23 2013 18: 50 New
    +2
    The Verkhovna Rada adopted on April 18 a law on the admission to the territory of Ukraine of units of the armed forces of other states to participate in multinational military exercises in the 2013 year. This was reported by the press service of BP.
    The document approved the decision of the President of Ukraine on the admission of foreign troops in the 2013 year to participate in the Ukrainian-Belarusian exercises with the involvement of air defense forces on duty, the Ukrainian-Russian exercises with the involvement of air defense forces on duty.

    Foreign troops are also allowed to participate in the Ukrainian-Russian exercises "Fairway of the World - 2013", the Ukrainian-American exercises "Sea Breeze - 2013" and "Rapid Trident - 2013", as well as the multinational exercises "Maple Arch 2013".
    http://obozrevatel.com/politics/68149-rada-pustila-v-ukrainu-inostrannyie-vojska
    . Htm
    xxxxxxxxxx
    And we are open to everyone! And who will give us more! laughing
    But we certainly won’t go to NATO. They demand that, at their own expense, they customize all armaments and equipment to NATO standards. Where to get the money? So do not worry here! fellow
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 23 2013 19: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      And we are open to everyone! And who will give us more!

      Hello, Elena!
      + In my opinion, the most “sober” and reasoned comment is yours (without a shadow of flattery and other things, a simple statement of fact). love
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 23 2013 19: 27 New
    +2
    Nato, the Eurozone .... found a panacea for all diseases ... let Crimea be returned and go .... we will wait for the return ... brothers all the same
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 23 2013 21: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: darksoul
      Nato, the Eurozone .... found a panacea for all diseases ... let Crimea be returned and go .... we will wait for the return ... brothers all the same

      The question immediately arises of who and to whom "should" return Crimea. But Little Russia means let them keep it? In Ukraine (or in Ukraine - it doesn’t matter), Russian people live on Russian soil.
      They are not our brothers, brothers are Serbs, Slovaks, Poles (bad, but brothers) and other Slavs, Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians - one people.
  • crest 57
    crest 57 April 23 2013 20: 06 New
    +2
    Yeah ..! Imagine how in hell Hitler and a company with a grin rub their hands while reading some comments.
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 April 23 2013 20: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Ak 12
    It will play out Ukraine will throw them NATO as Georgia threw


    Ukraine and Georgia look like this in NATO ...
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 April 23 2013 20: 32 New
    +2
    Ah, the current "leadership" of Ukraine is looking in the wrong direction, sorry ...
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 23 2013 21: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    But we certainly won’t go to NATO.


    So what are you trying to do? (forgive me my Ukrainian)

    Go go, they won’t take it! So it’s more accurate!

    But if it’s serious: not one topic is coming up with such participation of Ukrainians.

    all the same, and they care! Justified! Fight back! How else? It hurts! And do not twist everything to the benefit of our mutual interests.
    You know, I think, in favor of this "push-up" of fraternal embrace! Here there were counter hugs at the top, there could be, among the people, the movement of rejection.
    It is necessary that the people matured! It is necessary that the SITUATION is RIPPED!
    The time will come WE will be together! In the meantime ....
    1. Civil
      Civil April 23 2013 22: 07 New
      +1
      Oh well .. yes everyone pockets their pockets .. but with what rubles or hryvnias anyway
  • from Kiev
    from Kiev April 23 2013 22: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Splin
    I can’t eat. With what fright did the Russians decide that Ukraine seeks NATO? Or the principle: "He who is not with us is against us." Under this motto, you can definitely split my country in half. Mate wants to swear at such theorists.


    But I ate everything. You have such a delicate trolling!
  • individual
    individual April 23 2013 23: 38 New
    +3
    We Russians need to firmly understand that Ukraine, like all other newly created state formations on the territory of the former USSR, are independent states. In their formations, cardinal changes will occur under the influence of the geopolitical interests of the east, west, China and Islam, which is gaining strength. Having felt the sweetness of power, the local elite will not voluntarily enter into any permanent alliances. Depending on the internal forces and the involvement of the allies, they will constantly balance on the interests and handouts of a changing overlord. The interests of the peoples inhabiting these territories have never been recognized by anyone. All issues were resolved by a bunch of corrupt compradors. But the degree of corruption can be speculated. How they attract democratic or other institutions and mechanisms to seize power and hold it. There is no justice here and never will be. This is the nature of homo sapiens. Centuries and epochs of the development of society have not changed the bestial nature of man. Summary: we identify the brothers as Slavs of Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks and other "s". After all, we honestly admit that sometimes we’re better friends with a neighbor, we understand them better than our brother and sister. But between us (brother, sister) there is no corrupt comprador. Our community just works like that and nothing can be artificially done with it. What do you think?
  • Opera
    Opera April 24 2013 13: 32 New
    0
    The conversation here, as I understand it, is not about some private provocations and provocateurs, but about a completely officially conducted policy. So, the events in Lviv on May 9 are not particular! Golden eagle blocking the place of the traditional laying of flowers in memory of the victims is not a private shop - they wanted to block, they wanted to unlock! The eternal flame is not a gas burner in the kitchen, it must be turned on, not turned off! And it’s not private traders trying to establish a sign in honor of raising the Ukrainian flags on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in 1918 repeatedly in Sevastopol!
    It must be admitted that one way or another it is state policy and the vector of development of those in power! And this vector cannot be called friendly for Russia!
    The comparison of the Svoboda party with the Russian Liberal Democratic Party, even with some controversial statements by some of the leaders of the latter, made completely incorrect here. There are no anti-Ukrainian sentiments in Russia and anti-Ukrainian speeches do not sound from official stands.
    As for the language, Mova ... well, if half the people, if not speaks more Russian, then make it the second state language! Well, why create problems for your people? What's the question? How does this hinder the development of the Ukrainian language in those areas where it is traditionally spoken?
    And all in the same - in relation! And relationships build relationships!
    Quote: individ
    Depending on the internal forces and the involvement of the allies, they will constantly balance on the interests and handouts of a changing overlord. The interests of the peoples inhabiting these territories have never been recognized by anyone.
    So balancing to infinity will not work. You have to move in some direction - the world is so arranged that you can do it. And sympathies ... I won’t say for everyone, but Sevastopol residents have already drowned that plate in memory of the events of 1918 a couple of times.
  • sop.ov
    sop.ov April 24 2013 14: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    There are no anti-Ukrainian sentiments in Russia and anti-Ukrainian speeches do not sound from official stands.

    Eurovision Eve-Verka Serdyuchka-Deaf heard "Rush Goodbye" -Let's say. They said ...
    Quote: Oper
    How does this hinder the development of the Ukrainian language in those areas where it is traditionally spoken?

    This will prevent communication between motorists and traffic police. It turns out they are very annoying when you switch from Russian to the state, which they (civil servants) do not know. My native Russian is for me and I do not see any problems in having a citizenship of Ukraine, a person must know the state language (Ukrainian is not Chinese).
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks April 24 2013 15: 23 New
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    Of course, there are sound minds in the structures of Ukrainian power.

    I very much doubt the last such mistake was the very Yanukovych, who, in essence, was the successor of Yushchenko’s “slump”, using the “Russian card” to come to power.
  • washi
    washi April 24 2013 15: 35 New
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    The fact that those living on the outskirts have always been prostitutes have been convinced in 17 and 18, and in other centuries. Read the letters of the great poet Shevchenko. And the name of this freak in the Soviet Union was called the city where he served. No wonder there was a saying: when a crest was born, the Jew strangled himself.
    Only in the 20th century: 1919 - under the German leadership, the state of Skoropadsky, 1941 - "nahtigal" and the UPA, until 1954 the BND and the CIA. corrupt.
    It is a pity for those who still consider themselves heirs of RUSI.
    It's a pity the unique engines of Motor Sich.
    It’s a pity that we don’t fly with us for political reasons
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks April 24 2013 15: 52 New
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    Quote: Vasya
    It's a pity the unique engines of Motor Sich.
    It’s a pity that we don’t fly with us for political reasons


    during the Soviet Union they built a lot of things: metallurgical enterprises, chemical, aircraft manufacturing (you said), several automobile and tractor factories, and much more that had to be managed to destroy all this in 20 years of "independence". to destroy one of the strongest armies in Europe. And in return, mov and history from the "crafty". Today, Ukraine processes cane raw in its sugar factories and reduces beetroot crops. WTO commitments
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks April 24 2013 16: 27 New
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    Quote: Egoza
    They demand that, at their own expense, they customize all armaments and equipment to NATO standards. Where to get the money? So do not worry here!


    You are absolutely right, but this is not the most important thing, joining NATO will finally put an end to the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, and you will have to carry the old Soviet "footcloths" and then buy and wear used American / French / German "socks" . I remembered how, under Yushchenko, Ukraine wanted to trust the ancient Amer ships
  • 123ewq
    123ewq April 24 2013 20: 52 New
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    I can not resist, I want to say too. I live in Russia, was born in the hero-city of Sevastopol and lived there until the age of 17, back in the USSR. Brothers-Ukrainians, Belarusians. If we discard politicization in the matter of our views, look what is happening in the world, on the one hand, European pidoralization, with radical Islamization on the other hand. And God forbid us to swami together, it’s just that there’s no other way. http://youtu.be/yNyJs45NUv4 And these are great European values, I doubt that any of the normal people wants this http://youtu.be/JjCKieLabrY