An-70 got the best engine in the world

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In mid-April in Moscow, an act was submitted on the completion of state bench tests of the D-27 engine, created by the GP Ivchenko-Progress, FSUE NPTsaly Salyut, and Motor Sich JSC for the An-70 military transport aircraft, which will be supplied by the Russian Air Force . The Chairman of the State Commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant Colonel Vladislav Bruskov, who carried out the military-technical support of the tests, noted that the propulsion system is ready to conduct state flight tests as part of the An-70.

Russian military experts during a multi-month thorough check found that the basic technical data and operating characteristics of the product of Zaporozhye engine builders correspond to the technical requirements of the Russian Air Force. Thus, another multi-year problem was solved in the Russian-Ukrainian project of a promising air transport. About the engine and its creators, YV Catherine PUTYLOVA and Oleksandr BABAKIN, freelance correspondents of the NVO, were told by Igor Kravchenko, the designer of the Zaporozhye design enterprise.

- According to international, including Russian experts, An-70 in its class has no analogues in the world. This is the most innovative Russian-Ukrainian product. It turns out, and the engine must be the best?

- We, engineers and designers of "Progress", are engaged in concrete actions. Therefore, I will say objectively about the An-70 project not only my opinion. The entire power plant of the new aircraft and our D-27 passed the bench state tests, the corresponding act was signed. The identified and approved technical parameters show that we have now created the most optimal engine in the world for a new military transport aircraft. It is thanks to this engine the aircraft has the best economy in the world, has the shortest take-off and landing distance and for decades ahead of similar foreign developments.

This promising Russian-Ukrainian aircraft, it seems, must now be fully promoted to the market. The need for it is huge. The state defense order of the Russian side for it already makes up 60 machines. Serial production is scheduled to begin in 2014 year at KAPO named after Gorbunov in Kazan. And it will be conducted in cooperation with the Ukrainian aviation industry. The serial production scheme has already been agreed and the Ukrainian side has begun the transfer of the necessary documentation for it.

I would especially note that, despite the support at the highest state level, the An-70 project was literally inhibited for many years due to financial, political, and often personal reasons. Although Russia is very profitable. So the share of Russian enterprises in the cost of the power plant is more than 70%. 135 Russian enterprises of the engine-building industry are involved in its production. And there are only six Ukrainian enterprises. Only for some reason, some people oppose the Il-476, which is definitely a good airplane, but in different classes with the An-70, as opposed to the new Antonov machine. Its first modification took off 40 years ago, and the fuel consumption of 1,7 is more than An-70 and it does not have such unique take-off and landing characteristics and such a number of advanced modern technologies. For example, such a power plant, similar to ours, foreign aircraft manufacturers expect to create only by 2020 year. And this is true. And we already have it on the wing.

I note that foreign companies of this class can create and mass-produce only 8 – 10 years. Therefore, we still have time to conquer a huge segment of the global aviation market. However, the project was inhibited. But five years ago, the An-70 could already be mass-produced and operated. Engines for it can be manufactured jointly in cooperation with the state enterprise Ivchenko-Progress, FSUE NPTsG Salyut, Motor Sich JSC and other enterprises. An-70 can be successfully used not only as a military transport aircraft, but also as a very efficient vehicle in the civilian freight transport sector. That is why this Russian-Ukrainian aircraft project must be fully developed and supported in two states. If we miss precious years, then competitors will bypass us with their new aircraft and engine products, and it will take us years and huge funds to create new, even more advanced products. If by that time, for quite understandable reasons, we still retain our scientific, design and production potentials, and indeed in general, the aviation industries themselves in two fraternal states.

Currently, An-70 is appreciated by the Russian and Ukrainian Air Forces, the military departments of the states. Such a plane is needed by the military. They have repeatedly stated and said that the new aircraft and its engine are the best in its class, and this is confirmed by many foreign experts.
- It is known that with limited means and capabilities, a new engine was created. Is everything conceived realized in metal, did Russian enterprises take part in complex and labor-intensive research and development work?

- As you know, D-27 had a lot of complaints from certain forces, which for various reasons simply didn’t benefit from the appearance of such a promising product in Russia and Ukraine. And then it is not so, and the alleged technical characteristics are far from customer requirements. However, the motor successfully passed the state bench tests. An independent commission of customers carefully monitored. And the act was signed, which draws a line under all disputes and conversations about this engine. This is an accomplished fact that it corresponds to this stage of the tactical and technical tasks.

Of course, in design work it is not always possible to embody what was intended in a real product. Therefore, we will further develop this engine to increase its reliability, resource, and economy. I will say that it was originally laid the opportunity for improvement, modernization. Already today we see how to increase its economy on the 3 – 5%, which will make the new aircraft more economical. In due time, for this engine, the An-70 project, a lot was done by well-known leaders in Russia and Ukraine: Yuri Yeliseyev, Director General of Salyut Moscow (before 2010), Vladimir Skibin, Director General of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors (1994 –2000 years) Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov, President of Motor Sich JSC Vyacheslav Boguslaev. These and other recognized experts have put their hearts into this project. So at the present time, the D-27 with its tactical and technical characteristics is the best engine in its class in the world. He objectively showed this during difficult state tests.

- And what exactly is new and progressive introduced in this engine, what makes it the best?

“It has eight compression levels 30, which has no analogues in the world, a highly accelerated combustion chamber gives indicators of harmful emissions significantly lower than normalized ones, and a unique gear-size reducer for driving a coaxial multi-blade propeller is designed and manufactured. The engine used Russian control system of the last generation and hydraulic units. As a result, such a painstaking and time-consuming design work of the D-27 is 10% more economical than the best models in the world engine building. Western designers will be able to create such a motor no sooner than in five to eight years. Our engine-building technology, joint with Russian partners, is ahead of foreign technology, I’m not mistaken, noting by seven or eight years. With such products, we must already jointly enter the world market. With this you can not hesitate. Otherwise we will lag behind competitors.

I note that few industries in Russia and Ukraine have such a huge advantage in technology and products created, like our D-27, which allows An-70 to be 10 – 30% more economical than any transport aircraft in the world. Engineers from this year will begin to master the mass production of the created motor. In 2014, we plan to release the first batch of engines. Only for this purpose a guaranteed order is needed for the first military transport aircraft in the world with a promising and economical rotor-driven engine, which was created by the joint efforts of two states and national aviation industries.

- Are the new modifications of the D-27 with improved features?

- What about? We are already discussing with CIAM specialists the creation of an even more promising modification of the motor. The main thing now is to wisely realize the existing scientific, technical and production potential, not to oversleep and it is useless not to waste it in empty conversations and disputes. Otherwise, we’ll buy foreign planes and engines for low-cost, popular money, and at the same time we will complain that although we were the first to develop such advanced aviation equipment, we unfortunately did not use the opening opportunities to sell them on world markets. We have plenty of such examples.

Regarding the An-70 project, I would note that there were progressively thinking forces and leaders, and above all in the RF Ministry of Defense, who, despite the years of artificially created barriers, could understand D-27 and give him a way in the promising An-70 project, for developing who frankly say such facts. In terms of flight performance, the Russian-Ukrainian An-70 surpasses similar foreign transporters, including the new European A-400M. Our car has lower cost and operating costs. The maximum carrying capacity of the Antonov machine 47 tons, European 37, and the volume of the cargo compartment we have more on 85 cubic meters. And such an engine like ours is not yet available abroad. This is how Russian and Ukrainian aviation and engine manufacturers worked together in the conditions of artificially created barriers for the benefit of their peoples and states. After all, An-70 and D-27 are tens of thousands of high-tech jobs in our national aviation industries.
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  1. CCA
    CCA
    +31
    April 23 2013 05: 56
    Despite all the innuendo and ritual dances around "everything is gone", the project is still moving and God forbid it has fewer obstacles and a smooth road ... And taking into account the fact that in this project more than 70% of Russian enterprises that show real results - money needs to be redirected here, and not to Nanoskolkovo scams ...
    1. +14
      April 23 2013 06: 41
      Zaporozhye should be part of Russia. Otherwise, Kiev pro-Westerners in power will block the oxygen of Motor Sich and nullify all the successes of the factory workers.
      1. Alexander
        +3
        April 23 2013 07: 14
        Well, they can! And they said squandered everything, squandered.
        1. +5
          April 23 2013 07: 26
          Quote: Alexander
          Well, they can! And they said squandered everything, squandered

          - This was said by alarmists, who were given the apt nickname "calcined all polymers!"
          There are few of them on this resource, but they are. According to Antonov - unlike Tupolev, Antonov showed an enviable vitality in the 90s, terrible for Soviet aircraft design companies, like a cat with 9 lives.
          And we see the result. BUT! Whatever survivability Antonov has, it is limited, and if Ukraine continues to tear to the West and oppose an alliance with Russia, the West does not need Antonov even in its dead form - only in its vaporized state! This must be borne in mind.
      2. slvevg
        +4
        April 23 2013 11: 08
        Last week, Azarov / Prime Min. Ukraine / stated that despite Russia's unwillingness to order the AN-70, Ukraine will independently launch a series, considers this project a priority and allocates money. I do not think that at this stage, Ukrainian officials will bury the plane. After all, China is certainly interested. And there is something to ponder. what
    2. +1
      April 23 2013 09: 07
      for the An-70 military transport aircraft, which will be supplied by the Russian Air Force.

      ??? Knowledgeable people explain. It seems like they stabbed him. Or again something is unsaid. Or is it the wishes of the author ...?
      1. 0
        April 23 2013 13: 48
        BTA Russia will be delivered IL-476 ... European pretzel of Ukraine specifically indicate the fate of this project ..
    3. +1
      April 23 2013 09: 54
      so it’s so ... but it’s too annoying that “has no analogues” ... “the best”. and so on ... this is how we have it all our lives ... only in life it turns out that something is wrong ...
  2. Gemar
    +12
    April 23 2013 06: 01
    Finally! Not mutual insults and accusations from partners are heard, but serious motivation to start production. The main thing is that there is no pressure from Europeans and Americans, then, perhaps, the An-70 series will be a couple of hundred aircraft. And this, in addition to workers engaged in production, is a serious help to those who will service this aircraft. On the service, too, not a lot of money is earned!
    And one more thing ... IN NO EVENT SHALL AN-70 be SELLED TO CHINA! Comrades are probably already rubbing their hands, dreaming of the day when they will offer the World "national" development at prices lower than competitors.
    In terms of its flight performance, the Russian-Ukrainian An-70 is superior to similar foreign transporters, including the new European A-400M. Our machine has lower cost and operating costs. The maximum carrying capacity of the Antonov machine is 47 tons, the European one is 37, and the volume of the cargo compartment is 85 cubic meters more. And there is no such engine as ours yet. This is how the Russian and Ukrainian aircraft and engine builders worked together in the conditions of artificially created obstacles for the benefit of their peoples and states.

    I ask you, only for the benefit of OUR (albeit disconnected) people and ... our states! And not for the benefit of the yellow Xerox!
    1. +11
      April 23 2013 08: 14
      Quote: Gamar
      ... IN NO EVENT SHOULD SELL AN-70 CHINA!

      correctly
    2. 0
      April 23 2013 18: 53
      Quote: Gamar
      IN NO EVENT SHOULD SELL AN-70 CHINA

      And for this you need to buy, but it is better to produce them yourself ...
  3. +3
    April 23 2013 06: 43
    And we already have it on the wing
    The trouble is that it should fly and work!
    The program to create a new operational tactical aircraft (MTC) began at the turn of 1970-1980. In 1993, a Russian-Ukrainian agreement was signed, according to which the An-70 should be built in Kiev and Samara
    Aviadolgostroy, it's time for him to fly
    1. Kaa
      +5
      April 23 2013 08: 49
      Quote: Denis
      Aviadolgostroy, it's time for him to fly
      Politics, sir! "There was a time when aircraft manufacturing acted as a powerful unifying factor for Ukraine and Russia. But by the spring of 2013. the next round of tension in relations between the two states has matured, and the aircraft building industry has once again become hostage to the general political discord. Almost all joint plans in the field of aircraft construction, from the An-140 to the megaproject to resume production of the modernized An-124 Ruslan aircraft, crackled at the seams. The pulling of Ukraine into the Customs Union is virtually frozen. Interest in the military-political bloc — the CSTO — has not been shown. It is no secret to anyone for a long time: only two design bureaus are viable and retained the entire chain of aircraft development and production: Antonov and Sukhoi. But Sukhoi Design Bureau can seriously deal only with military vehicles, whereas the traditional profile of Antonov Design Bureau is military transport and regional passenger aircraft. Therefore, pressure on the industry has a double benefit: both as a political slap in the face of the state, and as a bridle for an uncompliant partner. At one time, the Russian Ministry of Defense ordered the aviation industry 10 An-140 aircraft in the military version. Moreover, unofficially, the military department announced an increase in this order to 62 aircraft. It also expressed its readiness to take control of the start of serial production of the modernized heavy transport aircraft An-124 Ruslan (to start an expensive project). With the leadership of the Russian military department, another mutually beneficial issue was actually resolved - the acquisition of a second copy of the world's largest aircraft - An-225 Mriya. This corresponded to the aircraft building ambitions of the Russian Federation and was beneficial for Ukraine for promoting the An-70 and its "younger brother", a new military transport aircraft An-178 with a carrying capacity of 15-18 tons, with excellent, as experts say, prospects. But politics got involved ... According to M. Zurabov, at the beginning the RF Ministry of Defense proposed to purchase 70 units. An-70, then - 60 aircraft, the penultimate time - 16. Now it's zero. Because Russia began to produce its Il-476 military transport aircraft. Back in the city 2003 The An-70 set six world records for carrying capacity, among other things, by lifting 55 tons of cargo to a height of 7355 m during testing. In terms of fuel efficiency, the An-70 surpasses even the A400M. An-70 is capable of transporting 98% of the available main types of weapons (according to a special list worked out several years ago by the military of the Russian Federation and developers), and IL-476 - only 70%. If we talk about the nomenclature of weapons, the An-70 takes on board 19 units of equipment, and the IL-476 - only 9. The fact is that the section of the cargo compartment of the Il-476 is significantly smaller than that of all modern military transport aircraft: An-70, S-17, A-400M and even the Chinese Y-20 (created, by the way, not without the help of the GP "Antonov"). In addition, the An-70 can take off from unequipped runways: to disperse it requires 607 m along the unpaved strip and 310 m along the equipped one. All world developers consider this characteristic important, and therefore the S-17, A-400M and Y-20 have the ability to take off from 900-meter strips, including unpaved ones. But the IL-476 necessary take-off length is 2100 m. But, as for orders for the An-70, then at its cost almost three times less than the A400M, there is no doubt about them. The Antonov State Enterprise names at least three states that are ready for acquisition. An-70. But that's not the point. And in the fact that in its intentions to "punish" Ukraine by giving up its aircraft, the Russian Federation will simply end up with a military transport vehicle inferior to all world analogues, including China.
      1. +2
        April 23 2013 09: 08
        Wise KAA, as always, put everything on the shelves.
        Welcome hi
      2. +7
        April 23 2013 09: 15
        Quote: Kaa
        Pulling Ukraine into the Customs Union

        Retraction?
        For example, I will never believe any Ukrainian author who, even in advertising targeted at Russian readers, cannot get rid of anti-Russian rhetoric.

        Who is this author Valentin Badrak from Cherkassy in 1989, who graduated from the Ryazan Airborne Force School in 124: “At the same time, Mr. Badrak, says that“ the North Atlantic Alliance wants Ukraine to have its own specialization. ”“ But this is also good. First, our specialization is already ready - this is military transport aviation. And within NATO, Ukraine could earn serious money by transferring contingents and weapons, "he said." Today's An-43278 fleet, which is used for these purposes, is not enough. Therefore, Russian Volga Dnepr aircraft, which is unprofitable for either NATO or Ukraine. ”censor.net.ua/news/XNUMX/ekspert_quotrossii_nevygodno_poluchit_nebolshoe_koliche
        stvo_denejnyh_resursov_a_vzamen_usilit_boevuyu
  4. +3
    April 23 2013 06: 52
    The engine is very interesting.
    It would be necessary to prepare a line of passenger aircraft with these engines.
    As long as there is a technological breakthrough, it is possible to deliver to the domestic market also abroad.
    1. +3
      April 23 2013 08: 05
      For passenger aircraft, the D-436 was created in the same cooperation. Only he fell into one niche with Sam-146 (SSJ-100) and his fate is foggy. D-436 is dispensed on a single basis, for the BE-200.
      And the D-27 will become serial in 5 years, at best, it is quite technologically sophisticated. So the optimism of the author is somewhat exaggerated. sad
    2. 0
      April 23 2013 10: 25
      For passenger aircraft, this engine is too noisy. But for transporters, it fits perfectly.
  5. V. Ushakov
    +1
    April 23 2013 06: 56
    Well - now, it's time - Ukraine to become a member of the Customs Union ... If there is such a backlog - God himself ordered ...
    1. Splin
      +7
      April 23 2013 07: 18

      Here is such a strange "movie"
      1. +2
        April 23 2013 07: 29
        Quote: Splin
        Here is such a strange "movie"
        Everything is logical, each sandpiper praises its swamp
      2. UFO
        +4
        April 23 2013 08: 04
        "Nothing personal just business". It should be understood that the An-70 is prevented not only and not so much by the "political whims" of Russia as by the air lobbies of our "friends" from the West. The situation is similar to the passenger aircraft industry - everything is flooded with Boeings and Airbuses, and where are the legendary Tushki and Eli? Those developments that are now - cannot break through, the same awaits BTA, if there is not enough political will to defend this still promising project. Let's lose time - they will close the "BTA project" as such. hi
        1. Akim
          +5
          April 23 2013 08: 35
          Quote: UFO
          not so much the "political whims" of Russia as the aviation of our "friends" from the West

          Not the lobby, but the greed of our nouveau riche. An-158 costs 30 million dollars. For this, or even less money, you can buy a used Boeing 737-300, which can accommodate 1,5 times more people and, accordingly, will "beat off" money faster.
          1. anton107798
            +1
            April 23 2013 18: 47
            Quote: Akim
            Not the lobby, but the greed of our nouveau riche. An-158 costs 30 million dollars. For this, or even less money, you can buy a used Boeing 737-300, which can accommodate 1,5 times more people and, accordingly, will "beat off" money faster.


            Have you ever been to aircraft manufacturing? yes expensive, but the equipment is not cheap and must be repulsed, this time, secondly, when buying a used Boeing you do not buy a guarantee, service or service specialists ... so think
            1. Akim
              +2
              April 23 2013 19: 10
              Quote: anton107798
              Have you ever been to aircraft manufacturing?

              Yes there have been. The truth is not in construction, but in the repair of fighters. I agree about the service. But the plane is regional. Could the houses themselves have developed infrastructure. Cuba can.
          2. UFO
            0
            April 23 2013 19: 22
            You underestimate western aircraft manufacturers. There are programs to capture the aviation markets and suppress (destroy) competitors analytic. centers are being worked out, and what means are then used for this, everything is in progress. bully
      3. +2
        April 23 2013 08: 35
        Quote: Splin
        Here is such a strange "movie"

        What's so strange? This "movie" can be viewed in different ways. Either Russia is a "dog in the manger", or Ukraine wants to have a dog along with hay. Ambition.
        So the share of Russian enterprises in the cost of the power plant is more than 70%. 135 Russian enterprises of the engine-building industry participate in its production. And there are only six Ukrainian enterprises

        It is necessary to work, and not to show off before each other.
      4. +4
        April 23 2013 10: 43
        Really weird movie. 19 types, 9 types ... Where did you see that military equipment on planes was transported in a combat position? At the same Shilka, the radar drops ...
        And then, the comparison of these aircraft is not entirely correct, AN turboprop, IL jet - naturally they have different run / take-off lengths ... And something I did not see with AN that it was possible to drop equipment. Can do this?
        1. Akim
          +4
          April 23 2013 10: 57
          Quote: Wedmak
          Where did you see that military equipment on planes was transported in a combat position? At the same Shilka, the radar drops ...

          Do not confuse the stowed position and the transporting for transportation. T-72, for example, should be dismantled anti-aircraft machine gun and DZ when transporting it to the Il-76. And then he barely comes in. Apparently such parameters were meant by the term "combat". Journalists are not professionals in this matter.
          1. +2
            April 23 2013 11: 08
            Apparently such parameters were meant by the term "combat". Journalists are not professionals in this matter.

            So I am about the same. Everything is far-fetched ... I don’t argue, the An-70 is a wonderful aircraft, unique engines, but why distort facts so much?
            1. Akim
              +1
              April 23 2013 11: 26
              Quote: Wedmak
              but why so distort the facts?

              Quite possible. But "Tunguska" really does not fit into the IL-76 in height, even in the stowed position.
            2. evil hamster
              +6
              April 23 2013 11: 53
              Because if you understand in detail, then you will not be able to pull the owl onto the globe, and it will become clear that no matter how good a turboprop with a take-off weight of 135 tons is, it cannot fit into the poverty of a turbofan with a take-off weight of 210 tons. The political moment requires a miracle, and miracles do not happen, so they explain to the people that the An 70 is wonderful, but the bad Chilaveks in the Russian Federation, you see, push the "outdated" Il-76-PS90
              P.S. personally to An 70 I don’t feel any negative emotions, just a hyperactive peer the company starts to bother
          2. evil hamster
            +1
            April 23 2013 11: 41
            On-board screens, he must dismantle and not DZ.
      5. evil hamster
        +2
        April 23 2013 10: 46
        Yes, ordinary cinema, advertising is advertising. You just need to understand that this is advertising. Since all "data" is far-fetched.
  6. +2
    April 23 2013 08: 13
    Our engine-building technology, jointly with Russian partners, is ahead of the foreign one; I’m not mistaken, noting for seven to eight years
    well, we can still if we want
    1. +2
      April 23 2013 08: 23
      D-27 began to be developed in the late 80s, if it were not for the collapse of the Union, it would be ready in the year 93-95. So consider the lead! smile
  7. AndreyAB
    -1
    April 23 2013 08: 56
    God grant that everything would turn out as you want, if the stool had held out for a couple of years, then everything would have already worked outside the cordon for the "democrats" or the Chinese, now the main thing is not about ... what at least succeeded.
    1. domovoi
      0
      April 23 2013 15: 11
      Nothing happens in terms of this aircraft. Ukraine is clearly defined - Europe, not Russia. If Russia in this situation will sponsor the Ukrainian aviation industry - this will be another proof of a stupid foreign policy.
  8. 0
    April 23 2013 09: 01
    Well done! If only all sorts of Christian-Manturovs there would prevent production, they would not see beyond their nose and would not think about the future.
  9. +8
    April 23 2013 09: 31
    Quote: Kaa
    In terms of fuel efficiency, the An-70 surpasses even the A400M. The An-70 is capable of transporting 98% of the main types of weapons available (according to a special list worked out several years ago by the Russian military and developers), and the Il-476 - only 70%. If we talk about the range of weapons, then the An-70 takes on board 19 pieces of equipment, and the Il-476 - only 9. The fact is that the section of the cargo compartment of the Il-476 is significantly smaller than that of all modern military transport aircraft: An -70, S-17, A-400M and even the Chinese Y-20 (created, by the way, not without the help of the Antonov State Enterprise). In addition, the An-70 can take off from unequipped runways: to accelerate, it needs 607 m along an unpaved runway and 310 m along an equipped one. This characteristic is considered important by all world developers, and therefore the S-17, A-400M and Y-20 have the ability to take off from 900-meter strips, including unpaved ones. But the Il-476 required take-off length is 2100 m. But, as for orders for the An-70, then with its cost, almost three times less than the A400M, there is no doubt about them.

    The persistent stereotype that the Antonovites "leaked" the blueprints and technologies for the An-70 to the accursed NATO members is being strenuously questioned. The A400, with all the external similarity, has a payload capacity that is almost a quarter worse, not to mention the possibility of taking off and landing from the ground, fuel efficiency, etc. IMHO, Antonovites have become hostages of their advanced competence in transport aircraft. Indeed, the An-70 almost "climbed" into the "niche" of the Il-76, having produced much better characteristics. The question has indeed become political. The Kremlin regards the post-Soviet space as a zone of its special interests, and has long suggested America "exchange" the ex-Union for Iran, Afghanistan, and Syria to a heap. The Kremlin loves Ukraine, and therefore "beats" (beats means loves!). For example, France or Germany, the Kremlin does not like, and therefore does not "hit", intensively developing military and economic cooperation. Sometimes one gets the impression that the Kremlin leaders are ready to act according to the principle "Don't you (Ukraine) get to anyone!" From there, all sorts of political demarches and economic pressure, and sometimes even hints of certain Russian politicians about military intervention (let's take Crimea and the South-East!). It is in such conditions that Antonov and Motor Sich manage to work and lobby for cooperation with Russia (Boguslaev campaigns for the vehicle)
    1. avt
      +1
      April 23 2013 10: 09
      Quote: Aeneas
      The persistent stereotype that the Antonovites "leaked" the blueprints and technologies for the An-70 to the accursed NATO members is being strenuously questioned. The A400, with all the external similarity, has a payload capacity that is almost a quarter worse, not to mention the possibility of taking off and landing from the ground, fuel efficiency, etc.

      I completely agree ! Having abandoned the An-7X did crap.
      Quote: Aeneas
      The issue has indeed become political.

      And I will not argue with this, yes, the car got into exchange.
      Quote: Aeneas
      Sometimes one gets the impression that the Kremlin leaders are ready to act according to the principle "Don't you (Ukraine) get to anyone!"

      Well, let's exaggerate the same is not necessary, the Chinese were offered a car, they refused. The same machinations of the Kremlin? But the car is a pity. And while the prospects for its production are not visible, alas request confirmation of this is the Shoigu meeting on the BTA and his trip to Kazan, as already mentioned. And for a long time it could replace the An-12.
      1. gladiatorakz
        0
        April 23 2013 11: 09
        Quote: avt
        the Chinese were offered a car, they refused

        Give a reference. Where does the info come from? China really needs such an airplane (this does not mean that it needs to be done with the Chinese). I am for the mind. The plane should be done jointly by Ukraine and Russia. And in addition to your needs, you can sell finished products to neat countries.
        1. avt
          0
          April 23 2013 16: 16
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Give a reference.

          Immediately after the closure of the An-7X program, it was exhibited at air shows in China, even before it crashed in Omsk. request , somewhere in my papers to look for a long time, but in nete I did not look. They then turned the AN-12.
  10. -1
    April 23 2013 09: 51
    again, these Ukrainian chants ... the question is purely political - with whom are you? if with us - full cooperation with mandatory military-political compliance with the Russian Federation, no - pay for all your wishes and dreams yourself with your European partners
  11. +3
    April 23 2013 10: 07
    Well done, all the creative work, in Russia, in Ukraine, is happening contrary!
  12. gladiatorakz
    +2
    April 23 2013 10: 12
    Well done !!! The aircraft is advanced, cooperative, very necessary and mutually beneficial. Together we are capable of much. The main thing is to establish mass production. Such a plane will firmly raise both the Ukrainian and Russian aviation industry and many related industries.
    1. domovoi
      -1
      April 23 2013 15: 18
      yeah, pick it up. Ukraine goes to Europe, essentially not giving a damn about cooperation with Russia, and it will sponsor its aviation industry. brilliant foreign policy! negative
      1. gladiatorakz
        +2
        April 23 2013 18: 43
        Quote: domovoi
        yeah, pick it up. Ukraine goes to Europe, essentially not giving a damn about cooperation with Russia, and it will sponsor its aviation industry. brilliant foreign policy!

        Are you bored of whining?
  13. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    -1
    April 23 2013 10: 44
    Yanukovych in the bathhouse !!!!
  14. desiscia
    +4
    April 23 2013 10: 51
    An-70 must fly in hundreds
  15. Algor73
    +2
    April 23 2013 11: 04
    This is a mutually beneficial project for both countries. Other countries are also interested. You just need to do it. I understand that carrots and sticks are effective, but where is common sense? Well, we will destroy another design bureau, well, we will destroy another industry, and then what? And so after the 90s we cannot get up from our knees. If the defense industry is still getting better, the civilian industry is withering away. It's time, it's time to act, because "the lower classes no longer want to live in the old way, and the upper classes cannot rule in the new way ..."
    1. +2
      April 23 2013 13: 04
      Today they showed a report from Lviv about a Russian investor in LAZ. The local authorities want to deprivate the plant. Let there be no better plant that produces buses and trolleybuses than Russians to own. Is that true, comrades from Ukraine?
      1. domovoi
        -1
        April 23 2013 15: 21
        of course it's true. at least in f * ck, if only not with Russia. sponsoring the Ukrainian industry, including the aviation industry, is a gross blunder of Russia. however, she is not accustomed to make mistakes ...
        1. 0
          April 23 2013 15: 50
          No one is going to sponsor either the aviation industry .. or shipbuilding .. membership is denied as an observer of the Customs Union ...
  16. 0
    April 23 2013 11: 15
    And the most important thing that pleases, FORWARD AND TOGETHER WITH BROTHER'S UKRAINE !!!
    1. domovoi
      -3
      April 23 2013 15: 13
      there seems to be experience of doing business "on fraternal terms." do you want to step on the same rake again?
  17. +3
    April 23 2013 11: 32
    well done. Glory to the Soviet engineers and clear skies for the AN-70 and, in general, for friendship between our peoples!
  18. +1
    April 23 2013 11: 44
    I am not a politician, therefore I am convinced that it is necessary to cooperate and the more the better. And I do not care about temporary workers in power.
  19. 0
    April 23 2013 12: 40
    The An-70 has great prospects, the West is annoying, the KLA is also annoying, just a fairy tale about a bun.
    When the An-70 goes into production, I'll get drunk.
  20. wax
    +4
    April 23 2013 13: 02
    An-70 - in a series in the interests of our fraternal peoples! The customs union will not go anywhere. Hold on and fight, brethren, against yours and our shit. Well, God himself ordered us to strengthen the Slavic community.
    1. domovoi
      -1
      April 23 2013 15: 23
      fundamentally wrong. today the day of most people being warm is much more important than any "Slavic community." that's why the majority wants to go to Europe, FSUs that with homosexuals and other shit, the main thing is money !!!
      1. gladiatorakz
        +1
        April 23 2013 18: 51
        Quote: domovoi
        fundamentally wrong. today the day of most people being warm is much more important than any "Slavic community." that's why the majority wants to go to Europe, FSUs that with homosexuals and other shit, the main thing is money !!!

        Do not judge everyone by yourself.
  21. 0
    April 23 2013 14: 14
    Citizens, what a joint project .. as long as Ukraine is outside the Customs Union, what kind of conversation can there be. Remember Yanukovych’s last visit to Moscow. Flew out of the Kremlin, didn’t even drink a seagull .. Gas transits are reset to zero. Volumes go to Belarus. To the North and South. . helicopter engines from Zaporozhye to St. Petersburg. The Strategic Missile Forces are 100% of Russian completeness new .. BZHRK will be done without cooperation. This already has science ...
    1. 0
      April 23 2013 14: 27
      And the assembly in Kazan? Not yet?
  22. +1
    April 23 2013 14: 17
    Valery: Well, God himself ordered us to strengthen the Slavic community.
    Let's start with the defense industry at least.
    Illarion: Local authorities want to deprivatize the plant.
    Galician trolls also wanted to bankrupt the Malyshev factory.
  23. Antision
    -2
    April 23 2013 14: 36
    Quote: Kaa
    And in the fact that in its intentions to "punish" Ukraine by giving up its aircraft, the Russian Federation will simply find itself with a military transport vehicle inferior to all world analogues, including Chinese

    to be honest, the mosva sang the song "to spite my mother's frostbitten ears" to Lebedin, and a flag in your hands. And there will always be buyers for this Ukrainian plane ... China is only one of many
    1. domovoi
      -1
      April 23 2013 15: 26
      in principle, you are right. it was initially stupid to build something (in this case, design bureau) on the territory of Ukraine. Still in Poland or the Baltic states built :) in general, as always, in foreign policy, Russia has problems ...
    2. +1
      April 23 2013 15: 27
      And there will always be buyers for this Ukrainian plane ... China is only one of many

      China will buy 1 car to scan and sell it, as its development. Do not get fooled by this. I think that common sense will prevail.
      1. gladiatorakz
        +1
        April 23 2013 18: 58
        Quote: fzr1000
        China will buy 1 car to scan and sell it, as its development. Do not get fooled by this. I think that common sense will prevail.

        AN-70 for China - while fantasies about Russian participation in the project. But the SU-35 for China is more real and real. And not having received at least some kind of reaction for the SU-27, S-300, etc. that the Russian bureaucrats, that the Chinese side will sell the SU-35.
  24. Antision
    -3
    April 23 2013 14: 39
    Quote: plotnikov561956
    .Gas transits are reset to zero. Volumes go to Belarus. To the North and to the South .. helicopter engines from Zaporozhye to Peter .. Strategic Missile Forces are 100% of Russian completeness new .. BZHRK will be done without cooperation this already has a science ...

    Well, the flag is in your hands "self-styled" smile and there will still be a buyer for Ukrainian products. Look, by the way, Mr. Putin, I would like to prefer Ahn to Airbase, without seeming too much about forks ...
  25. Antision
    -2
    April 23 2013 14: 53
    Quote: illarion
    Today they showed a report from Lviv about a Russian investor in LAZ. The local authorities want to deprivate the plant. It would be better if there is no plant that produces buses and trolleybuses than Russians belong. This is true, comrades from Ukraine

    In general, nothing, the so-called investor is to take "churkins" (the familiar already kakbe speaks for itself). Even a deaf black grouse knows how they did not invest in ChSZ - they stupidly cut the plant into metal. You are always welcome to the truth, but to crap "Galicians" is always welcome ... And what is a "Russian investor" you can look at at your home in St. Petersburg, for example, using the example of "Kirovsky Zavod" as they say, and with the song ... good luck to you in building such a future !!! Yes, there is also such an enterprise Izhmash, there really is someone who was planted ... But all the same twenty years before this, it didn’t really itch ...
  26. Antision
    0
    April 23 2013 15: 56
    Quote: fzr1000
    China will buy 1 car to scan and sell it, as its development. Do not get fooled by this. I think that common sense will prevail.

    and not a fig, that is, copy but not all. Engine for example. they have problems with the production of such products. Although it is possible they will pull the assembly. But in any case, "Motor Sich" is in chocolate. the components are good, the finished engines are just fine. And without any mournful warfare there about brotherhood and what you want in NATO. asks why the Russian Federation does not refuse to purchase Merciers due to the fact that Germany is NATO and this is not patriotic ??? By the way, wait, then Ukraine is not in NATO and it is not known when there will be (and whether there will be any). But the Russian s all the same do not cease. Don't like the plane ?? take your IL-s. but all competent specialists in the Ministry of Defense shout - we want this plane and point (and they are right).
  27. Antision
    -2
    April 23 2013 16: 45
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Retraction? For example, I will never believe any Ukrainian author who, even in advertising targeted at Russian readers, cannot get rid of anti-Russian rhetoric.

    schto sch times pіttverdzhuє ti moryorii ukrainofob
  28. shpuntik
    +1
    April 23 2013 21: 08
    Everything is clear with the An-70: there is trade. Since the plane is already ready, it will go into production, in any case (no one has canceled profitability). But, why did Ukrainian designers help the Chinese to do the Y-20? Why did they grow a competitor, but to themselves?
    It looks like unscrupulousness: we are calling Europe, we are going there, we are helping China, but where are the fraternal feelings for Russia?
  29. 0
    April 23 2013 23: 40
    The project to create a joint aircraft failed and no new engine will help. The reason is very simple - you do not need to have any common business with Ukrainian partners.
  30. 0
    21 May 2013 19: 12
    A good idea is the construction of a new promising aircraft by the joint efforts of Ukraine and Russia. Look at the friction between our countries with which things are going in the economy! That theft, then deception. No, time must pass for the economic relations between Ukraine and Russia to become civilized. In the meantime, you do not need to contact Ukraine, otherwise it will be more expensive for yourself ...
  31. 0
    19 May 2018 17: 50
    After decades, it became clear that the deployment of many industries and design bureaus in the Ukrainian SSR was a strategic mistake. And now Russia can only sigh about the past and think about how to create everything from us anew, practically from scratch, everything is gone on the outskirts.

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