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New sniper rifles from Lobaeva

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The company "Tsar-gun" has long ceased to exist, but the memory of the products still remains. It is also interesting where exactly Lobaev works now, and whether he works with weapons at all. In general, having slightly digged the worldwide network, we managed to reach the TAWAZUN company, and from it to find the subsidiary TADS, with which Lobaev now works, making a new weapon. All the same high-quality high-precision sniper rifles, which are not much to say, because the weapon is often as simple as a shovel, but I think you can squeeze a couple of words and pictures.


I would like to start with a self-loading rifle, which was named SAR-338. The manufacturer’s website contains the main feature of this weapon in the form of using .338CT cartridges, but I haven’t found any information on them. In general, this is either a new ammunition based on .338LM, or a mistake in general, so if there is information on this ammunition, then please share. Based on the information from the company's website, I concluded for myself that people in the UAE work very secretive. There is absolutely no information on the site about the dimensions of the weapon, nor about its weight, let alone to reveal the secret of the automatic weapon operation. The only thing that has been said about this rifle is that despite its self-loading, it can be fired from a distance up to 2000 meters at a chest target. Such accuracy is achieved thanks to a clever recoil damping system, about which no one wants to say anything, as well as ammunition. In my opinion, it is possible to fire even for three thousand meters, the only question is whether it is possible to get into something.

The basis for the weapon was SAR-40, about which also little is known. On the basis of the fact that the manufacturer positions the weapon as a high-precision one can immediately drop the automation systems with a short and long stroke of the barrel, it should be fixed. Accordingly, only the automation system with the removal of powder gases from the bore remains, but I will not argue. It feeds weapons from the detachable box magazine with a capacity of 5 cartridges. As usual, everything is hung with fastening straps for additional devices, which is already a kind of norm for modern weapons. Adjustable height folding bipods attach to the bottom bracket. We should also note that the installation site of the bipods is not fixed, which can sometimes be useful for the most comfortable use of the weapon. The rifle butt is adjustable in length and has a third “leg” in its lower part. To combat the recoil of the weapon when firing, in addition to the wildly secret recoil system, there is a rather large muzzle brake-recoil compensator. In its place can be installed a device for silent shooting, judging by the photographs, which also confirms the guess about the automation system with the removal of powder gases. In general, it turned out something interesting and unknown, from which it becomes even more interesting.

The following sample is already a real work of art, fell in love at first sight, despite the fact that the characteristics are also unknown. However, what can be the characteristics of a high-quality “bolted” large-caliber sniper rifle? I think that no worse than the other types of weapons chambered for .50BMG. What is captivating in this weapon is that it has found the golden mean between beauty and functionality. I do not argue that the weapon with the appearance of the terminator is also beautiful in its own way, but for me personally, the classic butt and bed is much nicer. Despite this, the TSR-50 rifle boasts all the same four attachment plates for additional devices, which have recently been obsessed with.

Butt but if it is regulated, then, apparently, only by lining the pad plates under the butt pad. However, taking into account the fact that the cost of this weapon is off the scale, it is possible that it will be adapted to its owner during production. The folding bipods adjustable in height are mounted on a picatinny-type mounting bar, two more mounting bars are located on the sides and one for the telescopic sight on the receiver of the weapon. It is interesting that in the description of this weapon on the manufacturer’s website there is a line stating that the mounting bar itself can be raised vertically for corrections to 20 angular minutes, if I understood correctly. The recoil of the weapon when firing copes with a massive muzzle brake-recoil compensator, which, in my opinion, is not the most successful. Looking at him, you immediately pay attention to the holes in the upper part, the flame from which when fired will be guaranteed to blind the shooter.

The TSR-30 sniper rifle is already a more modern weapon, well, at least by its appearance, it is also produced for a wide variety of cartridges in .338 and .300 caliber. Again, the weapon is not self-loading, reloading is done manually. On the forearm of the weapon, four picatinny-type attachment strips are installed, the side can be removed quite easily, which leaves not the most beautiful holes. Upper and lower mounting brackets fixed. Bipods are attached to the bottom bracket. Installation of the device of silent shooting is possible. The stock is adjustable in length and height of the cheek support. In general, the usual high-precision "bolt" about which I want to say, but nothing.

But the next sample is very unusual. The KS-11М sniper rifle is positioned by the manufacturer as a multi-caliber with an easy change of barrels and bolts, but this is not interesting. Having unscrewed the contrast to the maximum on the monitor, I could not find a handle on the single photo of the weapon to hold. It is doubtful that they have forgotten about it, since instead there is a protrusion on the butt. In general, looking at this weapon, there is, where a sick fantasy is about to roam. You can see that the butt is quite voluminous and has a cutout, judging by which we can assume that the gun shop is located in the butt, which is open when the shutter is closed, that is, we can talk about the layout of the bullpup. I do not pretend that this is the way it is, but I personally do not see any other use for this cut. Taking into account the fact that the weapon is not quite usual anyway, it is quite possible that it could be equipped with such an open magazine.

Summarizing everything written above, I would very much like to hope that the company will pay attention to the fact that practically nothing is known about their weapons and at least will lay out the weight and size characteristics, at least just for interest. Yes, and about the specific technical features would be quite nice to know. Whatever one may say, but Lobayeva will still be remembered by us for a long time, so there is no need to hide such products, behind one photo and a couple of lines, suddenly there will be solvent customers in Russia.
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  1. bazilio
    bazilio April 23 2013 08: 26 New
    +4
    "Accordingly, there remains only an automation system with the removal of powder gases from the bore, but I will not argue. "

    As an option, there may be an automation system with a half-free roller shutter a la PSG-1

    In general, everything looks attractive in pictures, although these are just pictures, most likely advertising ones. It’s hard to say something specific without shooting information.

    Thanks to Kirull
  2. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov April 23 2013 08: 42 New
    +6
    All the same, m ... duck this Rogozin. It was he who squeezed out Lobaev to push Orsis.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 23 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      crushed Lobaev Tula gunsmiths. but in the arsenal of the special forces would have appeared beautiful Domestic sniper rifle
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov April 23 2013 11: 40 New
        +3
        Rogozin played a major role. Plus izhsmeh podnasr ... l, which for 50 years nothing worthwhile except svd and ak not released.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout April 23 2013 12: 36 New
          +2
          Lobaevskie SVL and so were acquired for the FSB and FSO snipers. Say what you like but Lobaev is an ordinary private trader from the production of weapons, the usual layout and bolt groups. The last batch of SVL and OVL is almost half the marriage. With all his efforts, he would not have pulled out a state order even for army special forces groups. The only plus is the caliber of his rifles - .408 Chey-Tac.
          1. QW4238
            QW4238 April 23 2013 15: 08 New
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            I completely agree with you, perhaps Orsis will do something in the future in the .408 Chey-Tac, on the other hand, the scope is rather narrow. I think that first it is necessary to create and supply to the troops and special services "mass" weapons for the running calibers .308Win, 0.338, 0.300WM, and only then exotic - .408 Chey-Tac.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov April 23 2013 15: 11 New
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              How anti-snipe barrel under 408 not?
              1. QW4238
                QW4238 April 23 2013 19: 38 New
                +1
                As an anti-sniper barrel I suppose in the vast majority of cases .338LM is enough. Rather, from 1,5 to 2,5 km for shooting, on the other hand, it weighs one and a half times more and expensive rounds. What is good for the FSO and special services is not necessarily suitable for the army. Again, first mass calibres then exotic.
      2. QW4238
        QW4238 April 23 2013 19: 32 New
        +1
        And what does not suit you?
    2. datur
      datur April 23 2013 12: 50 New
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      All the same, m ... duck this Rogozin. It was he who squeezed out Lobaev to push the Orsis - and what is worse than the Orsis?
      1. smprofi
        smprofi April 23 2013 13: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: datur
        and what is worse?

        ORSIS is so much better that the competitor had to be removed from the country.
        and the light of eyes and the hope of patriots Rogozin cannot to advertise talk about bad products



        the advertiser is dad, the producer is son. both - hereditary gunsmiths (if unknown). one has a faculty of journalism at Moscow State University and the University of Marxism-Leninism, the other has a Moscow State University of Economics, Statistics and Informatics (MESI) and Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO University)
        1. maxon106
          maxon106 April 23 2013 14: 15 New
          +1
          And how will they upgrade in parts ?? Rogozin bent.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 23 2013 14: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: maxon106
            Bent Rogozin

            and only here? it seems to me - this is his profession "to bend"
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 23 2013 16: 01 New
            +1
            And how will they upgrade in parts ?? Rogozin bent.

            buying a "body kit" from strongly the "recommended" manufacturer.
            there, under "modernization" they mean a tactical belt, in particular ... Some kind of I'la Dolg-M3, only, of course, from strongly the recommended manufacturer ... here's the "upgrade".
        2. Pimply
          Pimply April 23 2013 15: 50 New
          +2
          Lobaev could not switch from manual assembly to small series.
          1. bunta
            bunta April 23 2013 23: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            from manual assembly to small batch.

            And what are M16 robots already collecting? wink
            Unit production mean. A single army is not needed.
            As for "could not go" I do not know. But apparently the usual picture. The philosopher suddenly becomes imbued with high-precision shooting, studies it from English-language sources. It takes loans, purchases equipment, hires personnel, takes a ready-made and proven scheme, makes small improvements (and who does not have them), and starts work. Without a clear marketing policy. To whom and how many such products are needed. For me personally, its fate was clear when I saw the statement from Tsar Cannon - we will make you any caliber with any barrel length.
            It is tempting for a sheikh, but the army needs specifics.
            It’s not enough just to be an engineer or production organizer. We must count on a hundred steps forward, not excluding the hijackings of our brothers or even the deprivation of a license to manufacture weapons. The better the Lobaev rifle of the same Barrett and Orsis? Or even vice versa? No one will say that. The production technologies are approximately the same for everyone, from trunks to stocks. Constructive too. We need reliability tests and military operational tests. And this is already Rogozin.
            1. QW4238
              QW4238 April 23 2013 23: 17 New
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              I think that the Orsis has studied marketing issues better, so they sawed off their rifles under the imported most popular (and affordable, match quality) cartridges 308win 338lm, with an eye on the civilian market and abroad. And mass production allowed lowering prices to acceptable 160 thousand for t-5000, against 500, 600 at Lobaev.
          2. Timeout
            Timeout April 24 2013 13: 41 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            Lobaev could not switch from manual assembly to small series.

            The only time I’ll support you is Eugene, it really is. But the trick is different, no Lobaev from Russia survived. With the Emirates, everything is simple, slipped information in near-arms circles that the Arabs wrote to Lobaev a grant of $ 40 million. For this amount you can master and establish not only industrial production ...
            1. Dilshat
              Dilshat 15 September 2013 04: 27 New
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              1really then the Saudis were preparing for war with Syria. Now the Syrian army is suffering greatly from sniper fire. By the way, there was no shortage of snipers in the great Russian army (thanks to Osoaviahim) .2 The article says that Lobaev made rifles of the highest class and Timeout claims that the marriage reached 50% So who is right?
        3. luiswoo
          luiswoo April 23 2013 15: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: smprofi
          ORSIS is so much better that the competitor had to be removed from the country.

          The market is small: for sim and removed. I suspect that they have the same quality - expensive rumors, where it is not clear to skip an opponent. Would release self-loading - it would be interesting to compare. ORSIS, it seems, threatened to develop a self-loading.
          Although for such a "competition", the eggs must be unscrewed, so that it would not be common ... dreams, dreams ... yes.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 23 2013 16: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: luiswoo
            Would release self-loading

            if the conversation is about accurate long-range shooting, then self-loading no matter how you twist, rather than roll
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 April 23 2013 22: 37 New
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              if the conversation is about accurate long-range shooting, then self-loading no matter how you twist, rather than roll

              are you the same Barrett M82, HK PSG-1, HK MSG-90, FN SCAR? vjue I can give examples for a long time, especially since only .338LM and .50 BMG will go to long distances ...
            2. ramsi
              ramsi April 24 2013 09: 06 New
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              here, somehow, I don’t see a particular problem. If you move the flue pipe closer to the end of the barrel (the length of the bullet), then, theoretically, there should be no problems. Another thing is that when shooting long distances - and in FIG it is needed?
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 23 2013 16: 17 New
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            hmm ... it's all sad. businessman Dmitry Streshinsky (Strizh / Strike), was able to negotiate with the "lads", but businessman Lobaev - no ...
            1. smprofi
              smprofi April 23 2013 16: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: dmitreach
              businessman Dmitry Streshinsky (Strizh)

              Is it the Promtechnologii Group of Companies / ORSIS or what?
              "I was able to come to an agreement," I took my son as a deputy (http://rogozin.livejournal.com/profile). that's the whole agreement with the lads from the Kremlin
              1. QW4238
                QW4238 April 23 2013 19: 49 New
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                And what do you say about the Japanese tradition of honorary vice presidents in large companies whose main job is reading newspapers, drinking coffee and being relatives of the right people?
                1. smprofi
                  smprofi April 23 2013 20: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: QW4238
                  And what do you say about

                  Gringo tradition, when a retired general is hired by a consultant. this is after he poked at the Pentagon contracts with this company
          3. QW4238
            QW4238 April 23 2013 19: 43 New
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            Quote: luiswoo
            Although for such a "competition", the eggs must be unscrewed, so that it would not be common ... dreams, dreams ... yes.


            On the other hand, we are not aware of the facts, and we should not talk about any conspiracy based on rumors. By the way, compare the volumes of production, the payroll, and the cost of products to talk about unfair competition.

            Quote: luiswoo
            Would release self-loading - it would be interesting to compare.


            I think there are no prospects with self-loading, SVD, with few exceptions, completely satisfies the requirements for it, and with bolts, the trouble
      2. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov April 23 2013 15: 12 New
        0
        Yes, much.
    3. QW4238
      QW4238 April 23 2013 15: 04 New
      +1
      Look at the hansa photos and reviews (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://talks.guns.ru/forum
      message / 91 / 672635-32.html) users of Lobaev’s rifles, with quality and service, he surpassed the USSR in stagnant years at space prices, while he had a piece production, and Orsis serial.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi April 23 2013 15: 33 New
        +2


        Quote: QW4238
        Orsis is serial.

        yes super serial

        1. QW4238
          QW4238 April 23 2013 19: 54 New
          +2
          What technological process is depicted in the photo, and what can be judged by this image?

          What is wrong with the company making sports and hunting weapons?
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 23 2013 20: 32 New
            0
            Quote: QW4238
            What process is depicted

            "screwdriver technology" - the screwdriver is tightened in a vice. the purpose of this high-tech operation is unknown to me because it was not me who did it
            1. QW4238
              QW4238 April 23 2013 20: 42 New
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              You have given this photo in your comment, I suppose for some reason, attention is the question - why?

              By the way, the trunks are planted on the bed in any manual production, which we have, in Europe and America.
  3. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal April 23 2013 09: 31 New
    +7
    Your mother! How can we not value our staff !!! = (( request

    If I am wrong - please correct me! In particular, about Comrade Lobaev.
  4. avt
    avt April 23 2013 09: 48 New
    0
    Well, about the fact that the competitor was removed, but I will not argue. But here's the question .---- ,, The next sample is already a real work of art, fell in love at first sight, despite the fact that the characteristics are also unknown. However, what characteristics can a "bolt" large-caliber sniper rifle of high quality have? "------ But for whom are these undoubtedly good rifles? For special services? Then this piece of goods with imported cartridges is quite entitled to life. For armament, albeit in a small series, parts of the explosives and the Army? For ammunition not accepted for service? Well then, it is worth recalling the statement of the command of the Explosives about Orsis, which was recently announced on the website. Mannlicher, let it be.
    1. QW4238
      QW4238 April 23 2013 15: 10 New
      +3
      Imported cartridges are already being produced by us, on the other hand, patriotic sniper cartridges are below all criticism.
  5. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 23 2013 09: 56 New
    +1
    TAWAZUN is registered in the UAE. So these rifles can be seen anywhere. Even in Syria.
    1. savarineko
      savarineko April 23 2013 13: 55 New
      +1
      Too expensive for Syria. These are rather toys for any sheikhs ......
  6. Smol79
    Smol79 April 23 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    I even read that the Lobaev rifle is the Orsis T-5000. Chet did not share now Lobaev in the Emirates produces it. There was also infa that the Rogozin’s son somewhere near Moscow will restore the cartridge factory, maybe just under the T-5000 cartridges will do.
  7. Fox
    Fox April 23 2013 11: 09 New
    +3
    more often than not, in order to create excitement from scratch, they create "some kind of mystery" ... this is from the same opera.
  8. Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 23 2013 14: 35 New
    -1
    The rifle is good, but it would be better for the hummingbirds to make it so that they would buy it to the Army
    1. QW4238
      QW4238 April 23 2013 15: 11 New
      +1
      If there are no high-quality cartridges, then why make weapons in this caliber?
  9. Naval
    Naval April 23 2013 14: 58 New
    +1
    Let them at least do something, what they argue for a long time. and cut the budget out of the blue.
  10. k-yu
    k-yu April 23 2013 16: 56 New
    0
    who are interested here site companies http://tads.ae/tads-en/products/tsr-50-a-large-caliber-rifle.aspx
  11. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 23 2013 22: 10 New
    +1
    Yeah They squeezed Lobaev out of Russia at one time, and he was so talented smile In general, it is a pity that now Lobaev’s rifles are the property of the UAE.
  12. Mister X
    Mister X April 23 2013 22: 19 New
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    The manufacturer’s website indicates the main feature of this weapon
    in the form of using .338CT cartridges, however, I did not find information on them.
    In general, this is either a new .338LM-based ammunition, or an error in general,
    so if there is information on this munition, then please share.


    From an interview with Vladislav Lobaev:
    "When shooting at very long distances in combat conditions
    guaranteed hit required.
    The beloved military long-range calibers .338 Lapua Magnum and
    .416 Rigby also do not shoot - the characteristics are slightly lower than the record ones,
    although they are happy to take as a basis.
    Based on the .338 Lapua Magnum, for example, record-breaking caliber systems are made:
    .338 Improved and .338 SnipeTac. ”

    I think a typo on the manufacturer’s website:
    They wanted to print ST, but they forgot to change the layout and it turned out ST.
    Or a mistake: the abbreviation is almost in tune with .408 CheyTac
    The history of the creation of ammunition on this site: http://www.viersco.com/
    We are looking in the top menu button 338 SnipeTac

    I read somewhere that 338 SnipeTac and 338 AllenMag are almost identical.
    Oddly enough, on the Lapua website there is not a hint of these ammunition.
    1. QW4238
      QW4238 April 23 2013 22: 31 New
      0
      And what is meant by the verdant distance?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 23 2013 22: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: QW4238
        And what is meant by the verdant distance?

        we have from 1 meters, in states from 500 meters ...
    2. Timeout
      Timeout April 24 2013 13: 31 New
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      0.338 standard caliber introduced by Lapua. And 338 SnipeTac and AllenMag are already derivatives of it which have nothing to do with Lapua except the numerical designation. You yourself answered your question -
      Based on the .338 Lapua Magnum, for example, record-breaking caliber systems are made:
      .338 Improved and .338 SnipeTac
    3. Mister X
      Mister X April 24 2013 18: 41 New
      +1
      In another source I read that .338 SnipeTac and .408 CheyTac
      are made on the basis of the same sleeve.



      H50BMG gunpowder is used (the guy on the forum wrote
      that experimented with weight: from 135 gr. to 140).
      I could not recognize the mass and dimensions of the bullet.

      When they write about this ammunition, the name Dave Viers is constantly mentioned.
      and his campaign: Viersco Mfg Co.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout April 25 2013 10: 22 New
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        Yes, it is, one of the developers of the TAC patrons is David Viers. He develops his cartridges under the Viersco brand. Here is the address of his site: www.viersco.com Judging by the content of his site, he is slowly moving away from the .408 Chey-tac. In addition to these calibers, the .416 Barret and .460 Steyr are also in vogue. And the most interesting thing is that Viersco rifles cost no more than $ 4395 in standard, in custom, plus another $ 995. So if you compare with Lobaev, then heaven and earth.


        1. Timeout
          Timeout April 25 2013 10: 34 New
          +1
          Here are the .408 Chey Tac data

          The performance characteristics .408 Chey Tac
          Bullet diameter, mm - 10.3 / .408
          Base diameter, mm - 16.2
          Diameter of the neck, mm - 11.1
          Rim Diameter, mm - 16.3
          The thickness of the rim, mm - 1.7
          The length of the sleeve, mm - 77
          Cartridge length, mm - 109.4
          Bullet weight, gr - 19.8; 27.2
          Muzzle velocity, m / s - 1100; 910
          Muzzle energy of a bullet, J - 11251; 11356

          The .408 Cheyenne Tactical cartridge, or as it is often called .408 Chey Tac is a specialized sniper ammunition developed by Cheyenne Tactical and Tactical High Energy Impact Systems (THEIS) under the leadership of Dr. John D. Taylor and with the participation of William O. Wordman in 2001 .

          From the very beginning, the new cartridge was developed as a promising sniper caliber of the XNUMXst century.

          .50 BMG; .408 Chey Tac; .338 Lapua (from left to right) .408 Chey Tac cartridge is intermediate in size and weight between the powerful .50 Browning machine gun cartridge (12.7x99) and the popular .338 Lapua long-range sniper cartridge (8.6x76).

          The purpose of the .408 Chey Tac cartridge is high-precision shooting at distances of over 2000 yards with a target accuracy of less than 1 MOA from a sniper platform for selectively hitting targets at extremely long distances, while remaining invulnerable to counter-snipers using classic calibers. It also has limited antimaterial use.

          The cartridge is made on the basis of a .505 Gibbs hunting sleeve, straightened and crimped to a .408 caliber (10.3 mm).

          At ranges over 700 meters, the energy of a .408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a .50 Browning bullet at the same range, and due to the special shape and design of the bullet it has a very large ballistic coefficient and maintains supersonic speed at a distance of more than 2000 meters, while that .408 cartridge itself is 30% lighter and creates less impact.

          The .408 Chey Tac cartridge was heavily tested on various machine gun platforms: M 240, M2 HB, etc.

          The advantage when using a cartridge in a machine gun platform is that, occupying an intermediate position between the M240 (7.62 mm NATO) and the M2 HB (.50 Browning), it provides greater kinetic energy and range compared to both opponents, without having any drawbacks heavy weight cartridge .50 BMG.

          The cartridge excels in externally ballistic characteristics .50 Browning at distances of 1000 meters or more with a platform of significantly lower weight than the M2 HB.

          The .408 Chey Tac cartridges are manufactured and sold by CheyTac Associates as part of the Chey Tac LRRS (Long Range Rifle System). The system consists of an M200 Intervention rifle, .408 caliber cartridges, a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X optical sight and a Kestrel 4000 ballistic computer with wind, temperature and atmospheric pressure sensors connected to it.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout April 25 2013 10: 36 New
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            Linear dimensions
  13. Mister X
    Mister X April 23 2013 22: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: QW4238
    And what is meant by the verdant distance?


    For different calibers, shooting is considered ultra-long at different distances.
    In .223 caliber, shooting is already a kilometer long,
    for .338 - more than 1200 – 1300 m,
    for .408 CheyTac - more than 2200 – 2300 m
    1. QW4238
      QW4238 April 23 2013 22: 56 New
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      .408 CheyTac - over 2200–2300 m

      Interesting, is it realistic to hit a small target at such a range? Dispersion at such a range, under ideal conditions, will probably be about 1 meter. And what could be the target for the 0,408 caliber.

      On the other hand, Lobaev is a trader - it is strange if he spoke negatively about his products. What is the niche of rifles for caliber 0,408?
      1. ramsi
        ramsi April 24 2013 08: 27 New
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        in my opinion, to talk seriously about shooting at "ultra-long" distance (1,5 - 2 km) without an initial bullet velocity of at least 1,5 km / s is a profanation
      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 24 2013 13: 06 New
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        Interesting, is it realistic to hit a small target at such a range? Dispersion at such a range, under ideal conditions, will probably be about 1 meter. And what could be the target for caliber 0,408
        --
        1. What is a small goal? It’s real to shoot a balloon, to hit a Benchrest target is not.
        2. Download the ballistic calculator and see.
        3. Depends on the cartridge used.
  14. Argon
    Argon April 24 2013 00: 13 New
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    Well, as far as I know, the Lobaevsky rifle feature in its special design and barrel production technology. Moreover, especially for the competition that did not take place on the assignment of the Ministry of Defense, a multi-caliber rifle was prepared. Even in the 12,7mm caliber, it has more than a modest return.
  15. Simple
    Simple April 24 2013 01: 18 New
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    Quote: QW4238
    What process is depicted in the photo


    The option of checking the alignment disappears - at this stage of production is pointless.
    The second option is drying after varnishing.
  16. Alexberger
    Alexberger April 24 2013 19: 34 New
    +2
    Orsis organized after Lobaev left. Those. first, Lobaev left (making money, since marriage in Russia was a bit much, and it became difficult), and then Orsis arose. So there is no intrigue in principle.

    Rogozin joined the company when it already existed, and his father was an ambassador to NATO in Brussels, and these people had nothing to do with the creation of the company. Any speculation on this topic is nonsense.

    Lobaev did not have any know-how; in Russia, he could not even make a store rifle, only single-shot. The technology for producing trunks is conventional durning, in Orsysia a similar technology (with the same quality of trunks as Lobaev’s) goes as secondary. The main technology (cutting) is trunks an order of magnitude better than the Lobaevskys, or rather they hold a larger shot (about 3 times) without cleaning and loss of accuracy.

    Lobaev’s rifles have had a lot of publicity lately, rumors have it that in the UAE not everything is smooth and the road home seems to be bridging, and in Russia the tale of a brilliant martyr expelled to a foreign land will squeeze a tear from anyone.

    .408, .375 and .338 Snipe Tac in Orsis are doing.

    Orsis is a serial, high-tech production with more than 250 rifles per month. The AB, TRG, Brugett Tomety, Barretta, Manlihera, Remington, CS, etc., are reloading so that they begin to shoot as they should.

    A photo of the lodge that is varnished is naive as evidence of handicraft.
    Here are other photos: http://www.chipmaker.ru/topic/72858/

    And here are the pro reports: https://reloading.cc/forum/showthread.php?t=175&p=1945#post1945
    who understands what accurate shooting is, will figure it out :)
  17. Kir
    Kir April 25 2013 18: 28 New
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    Sorry, but after I found out who was going to talk about, I immediately stopped reading, and to the author, Karasik Kirill, I want to wish one thing, less, and any ......... write. and the conclusion was made after reading it, except as an advertisement, I can’t take this scribble, which is based on the material. that there are so many mistakes on the instrument that ..........
    And with regards to the statement of Eugene about not being able to switch to a small series, but how else, taking into account the above, we can talk. it's not yet a fact that the so-called barrels from the "king of the cannon" were actually made by them and not banally branded, just forgive not believing that the specialists were so illiterate !!!
  18. Kir
    Kir April 25 2013 18: 29 New
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    Sorry, but after I found out who was going to talk about, I immediately stopped reading, and to the author, Karasik Kirill, I want to wish one thing, less, and any ......... write. and the conclusion was made after reading it, except as an advertisement, I can’t take this scribble, which is based on the material. that there are so many mistakes on the instrument that ..........
    And with regards to the statement of Eugene about not being able to switch to a small series, but how else, taking into account the above, we can talk. it's not yet a fact that the so-called barrels from the "king of the cannon" were actually made by them and not banally branded, just forgive not believing that the specialists were so illiterate !!!