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American request led to a conflict between the Chechen and Ingush security forces?

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While the US continues to look for Caucasian tracks of terrorist attacks in Boston, one way or another, trying to shift the blame for the incident, including to Russia, strange things are already happening in the North Caucasus Federal District of the Russian Federation. The oddities were expressed in the fact that the Chechen and Ingush security forces again did not divide the territory in which they were to carry out their operations.




The conflict broke out due to the detention on the Chechen-Ingush administrative border (which, by and large does not exist) a column in which, according to information provided by officials, Deputy of the Russian Parliament’s lower chamber Adam Delimkhanov, deputy head of the Chechen Interior Ministry Apta Alautdinov and several dozen representatives of various law enforcement agencies of the Chechen Republic. What was the purpose of the “Chechen” column with officials moving to Ingushetia, and what prompted the local security forces to stand in the way of this column?

According to the Ingush side, a convoy in military vehicles, an armored troop-carrier and several passenger cars were sent to the village of Arshty. Mostly ethnic Chechens live in this village, located on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, and allegedly “guests” from Chechnya headed by Deputy Delimkhanov were going to arrange a mass gathering of the Chechen population in Arshty. The gathering, according to the very same Ingush side, should have been aimed at agitating the local population for separating the village from the Sunzha region of Ingushetia. Information, frankly, seasoned with a certain sharpness ...

As soon as the convoy was about to cross the subtle border between Chechnya and Ingushetia, the Ingush security forces detained her. The reason for the detention was indicated as follows: they say, if you already decided to visit the Ingush lands, then you need to come without weapons and especially on civil engineering. And if you are also an armored personnel carrier with you, "grabbed", then we allow ourselves to take radical measures. As they say, we had to temporarily even forget about Caucasian hospitality ... Forget it thoroughly! So, stopping the column with the deputy Delimkhanov led to the open skirmish of the security forces of the two North Caucasian republics. First, firing into the air began, and then it came to melee. As a result, 11 people received injuries of varying degrees of severity, and two Ingush police officers had to be hospitalized as a matter of urgency.

The head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, immediately after the “border” conflict, made a statement in which he called the actions of the Ingush security officials correct and severely criticized the desire of the authorities of the neighboring republic to cross the borders of Ingushetia without coordination with the local authorities. In addition, Yevkurov noted that all Ingush police officers who took part in blocking the column are worthy of encouragement, the decision about which will be made soon.

After such words, the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, could not remain indifferent. He stated that the Ingush authorities shamelessly distort information about the goals of advancing a column with Chechen security forces towards the village of Arshty. According to Kadyrov, information was received in Grozny that a band group headed by Doku Umarov was allegedly observed in the Sunzheysky district of Ingushetia. To lead the operation to catch one of the leaders of the Caucasian gang-underground, again, allegedly, and should Delimkhanov. By the way, Adama Delimkhanov only last year, the United Arab Emirates Prosecutor General’s Office stopped searching through international channels on suspicion of the murder of Sulim Yamadayev ...

American request led to a conflict between the Chechen and Ingush security forces?It is noteworthy that at the very time when Ramzan Kadyrov announced the possible presence of Doku Umarov on the territory of Ingushetia, in the USA they spoke about the possible connection of Umarov with the Tsarnaev brothers, one of whom (Dzhokhar) was detained on suspicion of preparing and committing recent Boston bombings. It was from the United States to Grozny that the request came to verify possible contacts between Umarov and Tsarnaev.

What kind of information did American security officials want from the Russian republic, the head of which, according to some sources, ended up in the so-called secret part of Magnitsky's list? - an interesting question. So entertaining as the response from Grozny to Washington received an appropriate one. From the Chechen capital, the American "partners" were told that the only Tsarnaev, known from the "bad" side in Chechnya, was a man who did not pay the fine for violating traffic rules in 2012 in the year, and it is unlikely that he could go to Boston to commit terrorist acts ...

In general, it seems that Magnitsky’s list is starting to go sideways with the American authorities ...

Let us return, however, to the conflict that occurred between the Chechen and Ingush security forces. So, Ramzan Kadyrov declares that Delimkhanov and the company moved to Ingushetia to begin the operation to liquidate Doku Umarov, who allegedly was in Ingushetia at that time. And the Ingush authorities, they say, did everything to prevent the counter-terrorist operation of the Chechen security officials. In fact, Kadyrov blamed the Ingush authorities for covering up the terrorists hiding in Ingushetia, or, at least, decided to focus on the weak, in his opinion, Ingush leadership’s anti-terrorism competence.

Having heard this, representatives of the Ingush authorities could not keep silent. The representative of the Security Council of the Republic of Ingushetia said that the Ingush police officers were forced to block the path of the convoy moving from the territory of neighboring Chechnya, because the quote: "our police do not know who is invading our republic, it could have been militants." According to him, “the Chechens were still lucky,” because the Ingush security officials did not open fire.

In general, as they say, word for word ... As a result, the situation has caused a real resonance not only on a regional scale, but also on a nationwide scale. Now the skirmishing of the Chechen and Ingush police officers became interested in the central office of the Ministry of the Interior, as well as in the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the North Caucasus Federal District. Alexander Khloponin took control of the investigation.

It is noteworthy that this conflict between the power structures of the two republics is not the first in a row, but it is the first in the presence of victims. It is obvious that the subsequent ignoring of the complexities of the question of a clear designation of the Chechen-Ingush administrative border can also provoke more fierce skirmishes. The problem needs to be solved, and preferably, as they say, just yesterday ... And it is time for Kadyrov and Yevkurov to step over personal ambitions and talk in a language that is understandable to each other about how to organize the struggle for regional security with joint forces.
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  1. zart_arn
    zart_arn April 22 2013 07: 44 New
    14
    What can I say, the Middle Ages .. wink
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 08: 44 New
      -17
      Quote: zart_arn
      Middle Ages..


      In the sense - a complete "constitutional order" that the irreplaceable National Leader of the GDP has brought to the Caucasus ...
      1. Mitzhel
        Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 08 New
        -17
        A Th for minus? Is there really some kind of swamp white-winged carpenter who doesn’t believe that Putin brought in the Caucasus (in particular in the exemplary Chechnya) a complete constitutional order and legality ?? laughing
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus April 22 2013 10: 49 New
          19
          Do you have to justify you a minus? What for? Or do you think that your trolling is so sophisticated and cunning that it puts someone in a logical dead end, causing it to freeze? laughing
          Anyone immediately realizes that this trollism is nothing new - a commonplace fan for spraying, patented by swamp belolentochniki. Or will you argue that you are not like that?
          In this case, to substantiate something is to waste time. There are phenomena that are obvious and do not require substantiation.
          1. Mitzhel
            Mitzhel April 22 2013 11: 59 New
            -3
            Taki Putin brought in the Caucasus, in particular in the Chechen Republic, a constitutional order or not. On a simple question is able to answer any of the minuscule?
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution April 22 2013 12: 23 New
              0
              Taki brought. You would at least not say a nickname that you are an eugene scout that you came up with le. And what is wrong in Chechnya? Shoot? So they shoot everywhere. Even in the USA and Israel, can you first figure it out there before you climb into someone else's house with your moralizing?)
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution April 22 2013 12: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: Mitzhel
              Taki Putin brought in the Caucasus, in particular in the Chechen Republic, a constitutional order or not. On a simple question is able to answer any of the minuscule?

              Taki brought. You would at least not say a nickname that you are an eugene scout that you came up with le. And what is wrong in Chechnya? Shoot? So they shoot everywhere. Even in the USA and Israel, can you first figure it out there before you climb into someone else's house with your moralizing?)
              1. Mitzhel
                Mitzhel April 22 2013 12: 26 New
                -7
                Pointed means. Then why aren’t they drafting from Chechnya for urgent military service? By the way, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and have every right to discuss her affairs.
                1. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution April 22 2013 18: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Mitzhel
                  Pointed means. Then why aren’t they drafting from Chechnya for urgent military service? By the way, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and have every right to discuss her affairs.

                  Because they consider it to be a potential adversary. For the same purpose as Israel does not call on the Palestinians). AND?
                  1. Mitzhel
                    Mitzhel April 23 2013 04: 30 New
                    -1
                    Ha! Here is the confirmation laughing
                    If the enemy is paid reparations and the enemy’s representatives travel around Moscow time with the Stechkins, then it’s clear who really won there and who put things in order there. This is clearly not Putin who can only make money. And remember that Israel has never humbled itself before the palaces and will not humble itself.
                    1. Phantom Revolution
                      Phantom Revolution April 23 2013 21: 24 New
                      0
                      Quote: Mitzhel
                      Ha! Here is the laughing confirmation

                      Confirmation of your sick imagination and no more. what
                      You apparently really do not understand the essence of things, alas, but it is pointless to give logical answers to an illogical mind. Although okay, I'll say the last phrase, let it be known to you about our erudite, that money is transferred for reconstruction after the war, as is usual after military conflicts. And even more about our veiled you, "Israel monthly transfers to the accounts of the Palestinian Authority an amount equivalent to 500 million shekels as" permanent aid. "And then it looks more like a dull trolling, turning into a flood.
              2. Retx
                Retx April 22 2013 12: 44 New
                +8
                He guided it well. Because of the ethnic policy for the sake of this "order", now almost half of the adult Russian population hates Chechnya uterinely, even a hundred times more than the Nazis (there were fascists then, and Chechnya now). The problem is visible, because this is not a damn thing order. After Vladimir leaves politics, this will begin ... Order in the Caucasus was under the Tsar. Now it is calm and how fashionable to joke "stability".
              3. vjhbc
                vjhbc April 23 2013 02: 10 New
                0
                so take a rest in Chechnya walk in the mountains
                Quote: Phantom Revolution
                Quote: Mitzhel
                Taki Putin brought in the Caucasus, in particular in the Chechen Republic, a constitutional order or not. On a simple question is able to answer any of the minuscule?

                Taki brought. You would at least not say a nickname that you are an eugene scout that you came up with le. And what is wrong in Chechnya? Shoot? So they shoot everywhere. Even in the USA and Israel, can you first figure it out there before you climb into someone else's house with your moralizing?)
                1. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution April 23 2013 22: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: vjhbc
                  so take a rest in Chechnya walk in the mountains

                  I didn’t go through the mountains, but I rested in those places.
            3. Zhaman-Urus
              Zhaman-Urus April 22 2013 13: 13 New
              +2
              Divide and rule! Nobody has canceled yet.
              1. Nick
                Nick April 22 2013 23: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Zhaman-Urus
                Divide and rule! Nobody has canceled yet.

                Exactly! Enemies of Russia damned NATOThey don’t sleep at night, stir up the water, trying to divide us into Chechens, Ingush, Russians, etc. Well, then, take all together in bare hands ...
                Did I understand you correctly?
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 22 2013 12: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Mitzhel
          A Th for minus?


          Cons in the plural wassat
        3. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 April 22 2013 16: 12 New
          +3
          What order !!!! The federal authorities do not work, the security forces are subordinate to Kadyrov, the personnel of the gangs have migrated to the Kadyrov’s guards, and now they receive salaries from the federal budget for this !!! The Kadyrov’s groups themselves are largely composed of persons who committed criminal and economic crimes during the interwar period in Chechnya. The Russian population of Chechnya is not being returned to their former place of residence. What is the difference ???
          1. Nick
            Nick April 22 2013 23: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: Scythian 35
            . The Russian population of Chechnya is not being returned to their former place of residence. What is the difference ???

            You yourself understood what you asked? ... Chechnya is part of Russia, the Russian population lives there, and now some French, well, now Russians ... Well, Asterix is ​​shorter ...laughing
        4. vjhbc
          vjhbc April 23 2013 02: 07 New
          +1
          believe that our box is still living far, it’s necessary to live those that you’ve been set to take minus to Chechnya and leave the savages to rest there
          Quote: Mitzhel
          A Th for minus? Is there really some kind of swamp white-winged carpenter who doesn’t believe that Putin brought in the Caucasus (in particular in the exemplary Chechnya) a complete constitutional order and legality ??
    2. vadimus
      vadimus April 22 2013 08: 52 New
      +7
      Americans are able to clear nations clearly. Masters, damn it ..
      1. Mitzhel
        Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 00 New
        -5
        So it was the Americans who irradiated Kadyrov from the satellites and inspired him to send 300 strikers to the neighbors for a showdown?
        1. ughhh
          ughhh April 22 2013 11: 16 New
          -1
          These guys, with languages ​​like broomstick, are sometimes shot in the Caucasus. Just in case...
          1. Mitzhel
            Mitzhel April 22 2013 12: 13 New
            0
            still for edro all as one vote ...
        2. Nick
          Nick April 22 2013 23: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: Mitzhel
          So it was the Americans who irradiated Kadyrov from the satellites and inspired him to send 300 strikers to the neighbors for a showdown?

          It finally came! ... wink
      2. Retx
        Retx April 22 2013 11: 26 New
        +6
        Yeah, tricks of the state depot laughing . Teach the story.
        The Ingush were more loyal to the Russians and in the Caucasian wars took part on the side of clearly non-Chechens.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution April 22 2013 12: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: RETX
          The Ingush were more loyal to the Russians and in the Caucasian wars took part on the side of clearly non-Chechens.

          Yes it is, back in the Chechen war they took an active part, but here most likely for themselves than for the Russian Federation, because they knew what would happen to them if this well-fed Western-Arab rubbish spreads over them.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2013 21: 24 New
      0
      Quote: zart_arn
      What can I say, the Middle Ages ..

      Yes, it’s not the Middle Ages! Just someone wants a conflict to flare up! By the way, not a word about the zomboyaschik!
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 08: 06 New
    14
    What borders do these rams divide in Russia ????
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 22 2013 08: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What borders do these rams divide in Russia ????

      Yes, it looks like the tail is trying to twist the dog. We’ve been dealing with them for almost 200 years.
      It will be necessary today to re-read Lermontov, about the Caucasus.
      ps I apologize for the offtopic.
      And what is the silence of the explosion at a Texas plant? Democratic censorship in action?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 08: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: ATATA

        Yes, it seems that the tail is trying to twist the dog.

        And the dog gets a good kick from time to time!
        Quote: ATATA
        And what is the silence of the explosion at a Texas plant? Democratic censorship in action?

        I didn’t understand, but that another plant exploded?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 22 2013 08: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I didn’t understand, but that another plant exploded?

          No on the first. Just as quiet. On the day of the explosion, there was information in the media, and then everything calmed down. At first, 70 people died, then they said that 3 and calmed down. And silence is everywhere.
          No information and no where. what
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 09: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: ATATA
            No information and no where.

            I will ask the mosaic, I will ask Mart, he is in the know.
          2. alexng
            alexng April 22 2013 09: 41 New
            +1
            And there they simply did not succeed in stirring up the shnyaga with the terrorist act, and for this reason there was silence. They are not willing to admit their mistakes and failures. And with the victims in this tragedy, too, muddied. Yankee-mockery and in Africa Yankee-mockery.
          3. Batman
            Batman April 22 2013 13: 20 New
            0
            this is how the media works. If something bad happened in Russia, every day, on every news they say, for many many weeks ... But in the United States they will say 1-2 days, and everyone will continue to say how they sow good in the world.
        2. Garrin
          Garrin April 22 2013 17: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And the dog gets a good kick from time to time!

          Great! good drinks
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 April 22 2013 10: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: ATATA
        And what is the silence of the explosion at a Texas plant? Democratic censorship in action?

        And what is there to talk about? Ammonium nitrate exploded (far from the first case in the global factory practice), violation of safety precautions, production or storage. Once there was a fire, then choose from these three options, you will not be mistaken. Or who wants to look for a terrorist trail here too? belay
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 22 2013 10: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          And what is there to talk about? Ammonium nitrate exploded

          Firstly, the fact of a large-scale accident in the USA.
          Not any options.
          What is this?
          Accident, if an accident, then what are the reasons?
          If not an accident, then what?
          Information on the victims is very contradictory. And somehow the information in a word in all the media broke.
          Usually media out of an elephant fly is made, but here everything is sewn covered. This is not casual.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I will ask the mosaic, I will ask Mart, he is in the know.

          Thanks will be interesting. hi
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 22 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What borders do these rams divide in Russia ????

      You won’t believe that they don’t always let the military through their territory, the Ingush and Chechens would have graters there if they hadn’t for the Russian Federation, they would have bitten each other for a long time.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2013 21: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What borders do these rams divide in Russia ????

      Great Sanya! So I do not understand .......
  3. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 22 2013 08: 09 New
    +4
    It feels like all these mountainous republics live according to their own laws that have not been written anywhere.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 08: 49 New
      +8
      This was understandable even 10 years ago, when Kadyrov's tone-tone makuta went to Dagestan and beat Dagestan policemen there for "disrespecting" a Kadyrvian relative, and Kadyrov's brother was not prosecuted for adventures in the Stavropol Territory with firing from Stechkin, etc.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich April 22 2013 20: 24 New
        -1
        and the commander of the pancake-kolobkov troops showed up ... laughing
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 22 2013 09: 42 New
      +2
      And they always lived that way, to one degree or another.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 22 2013 10: 26 New
      +3
      In my case, it's not about "unwritten laws" but about swollen ambitions -
      But it’s time for Kadyrov and Yevkurov to step over personal ambitions and, in a language that is understandable to each other, talk about how to establish a joint struggle for regional security
      It did not even occur to them to agree on the "operation" or ask the neighbors to carry it out. I think the column was stopped for understandable reasons, and the conflict occurred after an attempt to put pressure on the Ingush, and this instead of using the last attempt to dock their event at the top. In general, all such "operations" give out motivation, which does not intersect with "opponents" and makes one look for hidden motives in actions.
      1. SSR
        SSR April 22 2013 10: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Ivan.
        But it’s time for Kadyrov and Yevkurov to step over personal ambitions and, in a language that is understandable to each other, talk about how to establish a joint struggle for regional security
        It did not even occur to them to agree on an "operation" or ask the neighbors to carry it out.

        +
      2. vostok68
        vostok68 April 22 2013 15: 19 New
        0
        Unfortunately, there is still the dissemination of information about the operation, when applying through official channels, although here I think this is not the case (why the deputy in a military operation?)
      3. karbofos
        karbofos April 23 2013 04: 53 New
        0
        Can an airborne officer who really deserves the Hero of Russia agree with Kadyrov and his fighters? Not sure! No.
  4. omsbon
    omsbon April 22 2013 08: 12 New
    +3
    The functions of power departments in the Caucasus should be performed by an inter-republican organization not subordinate to local authorities.
  5. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 22 2013 08: 15 New
    +3
    Yeah, here you have it after that, the Caucasus is on the fig of Russia. Russia will leave the moment in a bloody slaughter, everything will slide. Russia plays the role of arbiter between the peoples of the Caucasus
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 08: 53 New
      10
      Tobish is more likely that the Caucasus needs Russia as an arbiter, feeder and territory for entertainment and not vice versa. Who else will feed, treat and teach them?
      How Russia fulfilled the role of arbiter in relation to the Russian residents of Chechnya is perfectly visible. The number of Russians has decreased by 30 times, the genocide of Russians has not been investigated and the perpetrators have not been held accountable.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel April 22 2013 09: 46 New
        +3
        Political correctness, however. It’s better to attach an extra star to YERO RUSSIA to a former militant (you can even ride your heroes, you won’t be able to remove them), and throw babos on foreign football players.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 22 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      "Aha, here you speak after that on the fig of Russia the Caucasus" -

      The thought would have been clearer if it had been -Yeah, so speak after that, in the Russian Caucasus, the fig is the original.
  6. darksoul
    darksoul April 22 2013 08: 21 New
    +2
    the Caucasus will not calm down .... so much money is being poured into Chechnya, they would send money to the Russian hinterland, hh ... well ... your secular society from the highlanders is
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 22 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: darksoul
      the Caucasus will not calm down .... so much money is being poured into Chechnya, they would send money to the Russian hinterland, hh ... well ... your secular society from the highlanders is

      The Russian countryside will endure everything and the Caucasus will explode if there is a lack of attention, I think those who are up there are guided by this.
  7. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 22 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    Initially, one gets the impression that the power ministers of Russia are not able to organize elementary operational management of subordinate departments. But, apparently, the question is that both Chechnya and Ingushetia have practically created structures that operate outside federal ministries. Remains the words of the President.
  8. SCS
    SCS April 22 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    What date was the incident anyone know?
    I don’t even want to think about Americans, but the fact of the conflict makes us wonder and it’s strange that they didn’t move at the top!
    -And in general, our leader should talk with the heads of the republics in an informal setting (for example, fry a barbecue) and find out what kind of maneuvers this is! it’s the same as the governor of the Altai Territory, having received information that there is a certain bandit in the neighboring Novosibirsk region, sent his security officers to catch him ...) a disturbing situation!
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 22 2013 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: SCS
      and it’s strange that the top didn’t move before!


      And this, as always, the conflict is not on ethnic grounds, but purely everyday .. laughing
  9. nil86
    nil86 April 22 2013 08: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: sergo0000
    It feels like all these mountainous republics live according to their own laws that have not been written anywhere.

    That's it. Since there are victims, there must be those guilty. A criminal case should already be opened ... If this happened in Russia?
  10. mojohed
    mojohed April 22 2013 08: 51 New
    +3
    Let's not dramatize. There is a fact of real Caucasian reality. Chechnya is a de facto separate state with which there is a typeless and customs-free and unlimited regime. It has direct relations with foreign countries, also through the Grozny airport.
    Boston affairs I think this is a planned action by the states themselves. The Russian footprint is an information attack aimed at developing the negative around Russians and Russia as a whole.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 08: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: mojohed
      Chechnya is a de facto separate state with which there is a typeless and customs-free and unlimited regime.


      Exactly, for sure ... there are no visas, there is no border, but Russia dutifully pays to the reparation winners and even educates their children on quotas at universities. Moreover, in Moscow time, untouchable thieves are being rolled out with gilded stechins.
    2. Retx
      Retx April 22 2013 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: mojohed
      The Russian footprint is an information attack aimed at developing the negative around Russians and Russia as a whole.

      which is not even an attack, an act of masochism comes out.
  11. Heccrbq
    Heccrbq April 22 2013 08: 57 New
    +9
    Yunus-Bek Yevkurov is a paratrooper combat officer, how difficult it is for him to have a dialogue or just look towards the academician of mining.
  12. mike_z
    mike_z April 22 2013 08: 58 New
    +5
    Is it news for someone that Chechens and Ingush have always hated each other? During the period of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR, even the Soviet Union could not reconcile. Is it that a scientific study of our supreme power needs to be carried out on the topic: "Interethnic conflicts and how to deal with them", having spent a couple of more cartoons from the budget on this? Or is it just to turn to the Soviet and world experience? And work with them daily! Work!! History doesn’t teach idiots anything! There, hostilities will easily begin, and the Kremlin will again spread its arms. And he will give more money.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: mike_z
      And work with them daily!


      If the power could not turn them into normal people, then this power will not be able to. There is no distribution of specialists, no one in the Caucasus will voluntarily go to cultivate them, there are no fools to work for them like in the Soviet years, no one wants to live among traditional Muslims, they should not be called upon to be afraid, there are no residence permits - the Russians are felled from there and these are felled for the Russians .. A. Putin can only send money to Academician Emik and hope that oil prices do not fall.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z April 22 2013 10: 18 New
        0
        Well, what does it mean - "will not want"? That's why she and the power to ORGANIZE this business. And to find specialists, and to interest these specialists, and the leaders of the subjects of the Federation, periodically "on the carpet" to call and educate. This is the work of the authorities. Otherwise, why should we have such power? We have a Federation after all. But, apparently, the Supreme is following the path that you indicated ...
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 22 2013 09: 50 New
      0
      In personal contact with the Chechens, they spoke with contempt about the Ingush. I couldn’t communicate with the Ingush
      1. Slavs69
        Slavs69 April 23 2013 15: 59 New
        0
        Communicated with both those and others. It is the same that the Chechen drives the Ingush, that the Ingush the Chechens. I met with Yevkurov in a working environment. Impressed as an adequate person. The Ingush have a complex of jealousy of the Chechens for the fact that those Russian loots are more of a bunch (in the sense of infusing the federal center). In Chechnya, there is a Kadyrov Prize for a dead militant (paid if there is evidence of elimination and only to a local employee).
  13. Canep
    Canep April 22 2013 09: 00 New
    0
    The federal laws are no longer credible to them, they (Kadyrov and Yevkurov) will declare war on each other. Where the FSB and the Prosecutor General are looking, OUTLAND. It’s a pity you can’t swear here, patriots b ...
  14. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 09: 04 New
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    There the situation is this: Kadyrov dispersed the bearded and they went to the mountains of Ingushetia! Since Yevkurov is not a supporter of radical measures, the bearded there feel good and periodically make forays into Chechnya. Kadyrov does not like this, and is trying to crush the bearded in neighboring territories.
    By the way, what's wrong with that?
    The governor of the Novosibirsk region of bandits does not want to catch the bandits; why not the governor of the Altai region? Important means not important result!
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 14 New
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      Quote: demonn
      By the way, what's wrong with that?


      Everything is fine ... except that the federal government is clearly afraid of Kadyrov once again yanking. From the observance of federal laws on weapons in Chechnya to the secular nature of education. He is clearly in a special position among all the heads of regions.
      By the way, the "advisers" of the governor of the Novosibirsk Region do not travel around Moscow time with gilded stechkins and do not regularly get into crime stories with corpses and gunfire as the seconded Kadyrovtsy do.
    2. mike_z
      mike_z April 22 2013 10: 31 New
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      Quote: demonn
      By the way, what's wrong with that?

      Yes, it’s bad that the leaders of the constituent entities of the Federation do not communicate with each other on issues that go beyond the framework of one republic. I do not think that the governor, for example, of the Penza region will not call the governor of Ulyanovsk if something comes to their level. And in the described case, it’s just presons from the top leadership of the republic. So the matter is already at the level of top officials. And if they fail, then Khloponin, etc. This is normal.
  15. Apollo
    Apollo April 22 2013 09: 27 New
    +2
    Actually, I don’t really like the whole story of the conflict between the security forces of Ingushetia and Chechnya and it is alarming. In my opinion, it would be time for the center to bring both heads of republics to the carpet and inspire them, otherwise this whole situation will get out of control and go too far. .
  16. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 09: 27 New
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    Quote: Mitzhel
    Quote: demonn
    By the way, what's wrong with that?


    Everything is fine ... except that the federal government is clearly afraid of Kadyrov once again yanking. From the observance of federal laws on weapons in Chechnya to the secular nature of education. He is clearly in a special position among all the heads of regions.
    By the way, the "advisers" of the governor of the Novosibirsk Region do not travel around Moscow time with gilded stechkins and do not regularly get into crime stories with corpses and gunfire as the seconded Kadyrovtsy do.

    I really apologize when were you there?
    For reference, the law on weapons in Chechnya is respected; no one walks around the city with weapons; if he is not an employee, they go with injuries with no firearms!
    And who told you that Chechnya is not a secular republic? In a mosque, nobody is driven there by force, whoever wants to go, who does not want to go. Women, too, who want a scarf, who do not want a scarf. Try to wave for a week in Grozny and you will see that nothing that is written in real life is not there!
    There are enough bandits everywhere, including those who are in uniform.

    PS By the way, for information in Chechnya, one federal law is not respected. I myself saw tinting there is generally prohibited from the front, from the rear, on the window, it can’t be pasted anywhere and the car goes to the penalty area immediately. The only violation of federal law that I saw there. By the way, it does not apply to visitors
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 37 New
      +3
      was in 1992, helped to collect belongings to relatives who fled from their separatist bandits to Ukraine. I have nothing more to do there ...
      I am very sorry but the documentary film of the Chechen TV "young fortress" where the young nephew AkadEmika walks around with a pistol on his belt, commands Kadyrov's cadets and drives around in a car. What is it? Maybe in the Russian traffic rules and the ZoO it is written that the young nephews of academicians all have the right to do this ??
      The head teachers-alimi, Islamic holidays and news celebrated at the republican level, how did the teachers kick the Russian woman out of the class because of the lack of a headscarf?
      Bandits are everywhere. Just not everywhere, bandits have personnel stechkins, crusts, thieves and business trips to Moscow with accommodation in the president-hotel.

      ps
      from cars with thieves of the KRA series, too, torn off the tint?
  17. Rustiger
    Rustiger April 22 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    Led to conflict. . .

    Ha! Will the jackals now leave the Russian markets and shops, full of stinking Chinese shit and orderly rows, will go to "protect" their sakles. And they will start ts. "self-liquidation process". Do we need it ??? To be honest, not really. . . Well, stop them in such a matter, too, is not worth it. Let them distract from persimmons and apricot. . .
  18. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 22 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    Enraged by such behavior of the heads of these two problem regions, what kind of idiocy? The country is already in a difficult situation, and even more so in the Caucasus! What are they doing instead of solving economic problems and fighting the militants? Are they playing muscle? Caucasian character show? Do you live in Russia, what borders can there be ?! I did not expect such behavior from Yevkurov - a military officer, a competent man. Okay Kadyrov snot snickering. Two cretins, publicly carve both a desire arises !! There are few problems for us in the country and in the world, so even excuse me with dandies! A shame!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 22 2013 09: 52 New
      +1
      Yevkurov did something wrong?
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 April 22 2013 10: 14 New
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        In my opinion, I explained everything quite clearly. Read carefully - the question is not who did what and why, but how did both republican leaders allow such a situation? Prevention of such incidents is their direct duty. What is incomprehensible here? Nodding and blaming each other is not their responsibility.
  19. The gentleman
    The gentleman April 22 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    oh Caucasus, beautiful places, beautiful and kind people ... but relations between tribes are a completely different matter. both a leader, both strong personalities and everyone wants to be important before the main thing. One person should solve this issue and the meeting should be held as if Caucasus, at the table. otherwise, there will be further set-ups ...
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 09: 55 New
      +4
      What are Russians fleeing from these people as from a plague? Over in Ingushetia, they are trying to entice Russian specialists with free apartments, but no one goes to beautiful places to wonderful people. The war is over, much more money is allocated than Russian regions, but Russian specialists are in no hurry for permanent residence ...
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin April 22 2013 12: 48 New
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        Quote: Mitzhel
        The war is over, much more money is allocated than Russian regions, but Russian specialists are in no hurry for permanent residence ...

        They wait until the abovementioned are cultivated and stop waving arms in the face, for a start hi
  20. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 22 2013 09: 57 New
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    The militants make good use of these contradictions. When they set up bases in Ingushetia, they sit there quietly and have "their own people" in the security forces - so they are aware of all the operations. Having made a foray into Chechnya or another region, they return and sit quietly again.
  21. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Mitzhel
    was in 1992, helped to collect belongings to relatives who fled from their separatist bandits to Ukraine. I have nothing more to do there ...
    I am very sorry but the documentary film of the Chechen TV "young fortress" where the young nephew AkadEmika walks around with a pistol on his belt, commands Kadyrov's cadets and drives around in a car. What is it? Maybe in the Russian traffic rules and the ZoO it is written that the young nephews of academicians all have the right to do this ??
    The head teachers-alimi, Islamic holidays and news celebrated at the republican level, how did the teachers kick the Russian woman out of the class because of the lack of a headscarf?
    Bandits are everywhere. Just not everywhere, bandits have personnel stechkins, crusts, thieves and business trips to Moscow with accommodation in the president-hotel.

    ps
    from cars with thieves of the KRA series, too, torn off the tint?

    KRA has numbers only at the top leadership of the republic is a fact (this is not a criminal series, but a series of top leadership of Chechnya and you can’t buy these numbers or transfer them to Kadyrov himself, and the first complaint about the lawlessness on such numbers leads to their seizure!), Such machines very little is also a fact, the numbers of the EEE government series do not have any privileges; this is also a fact, so let's not talk about what you heard only from the zombie creator. I occasionally go there and know what I'm talking about, and I'm just talking to dispel some myths about Chechnya and broaden the horizons of readers of this resource.
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 12: 08 New
      +2
      The top leadership of the republic even arrives at Msk on panamers ... This is another proof of the abnormality of what is happening in Chechnya - the initials of the chapter are used for thieves' numbers and he personally distributes them. I repeat the question - did they remove the tint from the KRA machines?
      There is no such thing anywhere else as the heads and governors do not have "security advisers" with gilded stechkin flashes to the criminal Moscow chronicle. Do you want to comment on the film "young fortress" where violations of laws, in particular traffic rules and the federal law on weapons, are brazenly recorded?
      1. Kalita
        Kalita April 22 2013 20: 04 New
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        Dear Mitzhel And please tell me, what do you propose, the next bloodbath for Russians and Chechens? And figures like Berezovsky would have gained political and financial capital on this? So it will be better in your opinion?
        1. Mitzhel
          Mitzhel April 23 2013 04: 36 New
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          I suggest everyone to live according to the Law and the Constitution regardless of national and religious characteristics. If this does not happen, then at the next historical turning point, "Russia" will fall apart again and the whole business ... they loved beys, free money, gold steckins, blood feud, the slave trade and other savagery, they will go on a free voyage, and this time I hope for a normal border where they come from it will be difficult for the hostages to make raids to the Slavs.
  22. Forest
    Forest April 22 2013 10: 07 New
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    Yevkurov has always been for the rights of militants - he offers them apartments (former?), Then they should be brought into the administration. Maybe Yevkkurov will apply to human rights activists as his own.
  23. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 10: 11 New
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    Quote: Mitzhel
    What are Russians fleeing from these people as from a plague? Over in Ingushetia, they are trying to entice Russian specialists with free apartments, but no one goes to beautiful places to wonderful people. The war is over, much more money is allocated than Russian regions, but Russian specialists are in no hurry for permanent residence ...

    In principle, here is the answer to the main article, in Ingushetia this is the situation, but people do not go to Grozny massively but go, for example, you can visit the Grozny airport there are almost no local specialists there!
    That is why Kadyrov is crawling into the affairs of Ingushetia in order to stabilize the situation with the bearded which is not bad in Ingushetia
    1. Mitzhel
      Mitzhel April 22 2013 12: 24 New
      +1
      Kadyrov clearly said at the expense of the disputed lands.

      "I remind you once again that we value good-neighborliness, we do not pretend to be someone else's. But the land through which Yevkurov is trying to draw borders has an owner. And this is the Chechen people," said the Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov

      How many Russians moved to Grozny for permanent residence in the last year? Who will go there with their families ?? About work on a rotational basis and Gaster almost from Korea are not talking.
      1. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman April 22 2013 13: 22 New
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        a cunning moishe, he was Jewish, and everyone is already pissing you - the Massad is not otherwise ...)
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 22 2013 13: 41 New
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          Quote: Lone gunman
          a cunning moishe, he was Jewish, and everyone is already pissing you - the Massad is not otherwise ...)

          Correctly noticed, they know how to play off Caucasians and Russians and have their own gesheft !!! And we are like sheep on this ((( sad .
          1. Mitzhel
            Mitzhel April 22 2013 14: 41 New
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            Mossad forced the elder Kadyrov to call for ethnic cleansing, declare jihad to Russia and star in the video with the infanticide Basayev? Jews robbed trains in Chechnya, took hostages, handed out weapons to Chechens from robbed warehouses and staged genocide ??
        2. Mitzhel
          Mitzhel April 22 2013 14: 38 New
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          Look for the mossad under the bed and wash among your ancestors. Although no, if you had a Jewish ancestor, then you would have been a little smarter ... Instead of answering specific questions and talking on the topic, you are talking nonsense.
          1. Lone gunman
            Lone gunman April 22 2013 20: 59 New
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            isn’t moishe, isn’t it Ivan? yes )))
            1. Mitzhel
              Mitzhel April 23 2013 04: 37 New
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              Laugh further while the Russians are felled from the Caucasus and do not forget to fight the Zionists.
              1. Lone gunman
                Lone gunman April 23 2013 18: 45 New
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                and I am not going to blame from the Caucasus and from the country too, unlike you with the "swamp" Mitskhael ...
  24. zao74
    zao74 April 22 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    Until there is unity among the leading staff, everyone who is not lazy will tear us. Ingushetia and Chechnya are like two fingers on the fist of Russia ... and they quarrel with each other. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
  25. itr
    itr April 22 2013 10: 29 New
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    And this news pleased me. Chechens will not have any allies and friends for another year or two. It is very good !
  26. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 22 2013 11: 06 New
    +3
    Proud Vainakhs, other than in convoys, now don’t go to visit armored personnel carriers. There is complete lack of control on the part of the government - do whatever you want, only control the republics. But how this control is carried out, what kind of cockroaches are running around in their heads, what ambitions hit their heads - nobody cares. As a result, the republics live in their own vacuum, according to their own laws, with their own worldview.
  27. Hort
    Hort April 22 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    how to understand this: "I crossed the borders of Ingushetia without permission" ?! Both republics are part of the Russian Federation and the border between them is conditional. And the Chechens are also good - in theory, the movement of various operational and security groups (also with an armored personnel carrier) should be coordinated with their neighbors.
    Impudent, in a word ...
  28. Black
    Black April 22 2013 12: 35 New
    +3
    Until external control is introduced in the Caucasus, there will be blood. This is war again .... but sooner or later this will have to be done. IMHO.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 22 2013 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Chen
      Until external control is introduced in the Caucasus, there will be blood. This is war again .... but sooner or later this will have to be done. IMHO.

      Sergey, and it’s interesting, you yourself will go to war and risk your life, or as you now love to do keyboard heroes, you will morally support laughing
      Or is it that a bad world is better than a good war?
      1. Black
        Black April 22 2013 14: 35 New
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        I won my own. Not fit anymore. And the son is there. Like any father, it would be better for me ...
        A lean world, as a rule, ends with the same war. Do not decide now, have to decide the grandchildren.
  29. military
    military April 22 2013 12: 45 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    What borders do these rams divide in Russia ????

    the "administrative" boundaries of their "pastures", of course ... hi
  30. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 22 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    From here it’s hard to understand who is to blame, but Kadirov is not sympathetic to Georgia and Yevkurov, on the contrary, is respected.
    1. Black
      Black April 22 2013 14: 37 New
      0
      What, do you see the battalion "Vostok" in feverish dreams?
      1. dc120mm
        dc120mm April 22 2013 15: 36 New
        +1
        laughing When the air force of the Russian Federation renders fire, then both "east" and "northwest" laughing will be cool.
    2. Retx
      Retx April 22 2013 15: 48 New
      +1
      The situation is similar in Russia. Kadyrov more often flashes in various media with all sorts of "statements", well, and a well-discussed figure, while Ingushetia and Yevkurov attract less attention to themselves, like a common region in the Federation.
  31. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: dc120mm
    From here it’s hard to understand who is to blame, but Kadirov is not sympathetic to Georgia and Yevkurov, on the contrary, is respected.

    How would you say so softer so as not to offend. We are deeply aboard what, how, why and why in Georgia they think about the governors of RUSSIA !!!
    As well as moral considerations, we are not able to convey what we think about your president, but I think that you yourself perfectly understood everything.
  32. krez-74
    krez-74 April 22 2013 16: 19 New
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    And here the problem is different, in how the center divided the lands and drew borders ... Here there are timed land mines! Here many sit and get clever, they say look, the Middle Ages ... And supposedly they have nothing to do with it! The title ones, with all due respect to them, have piled a lot of such things with their bearish movements.
  33. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 22 2013 16: 24 New
    -6
    Experts called the Kremlin’s pillar of young Caucasians
    Former United Russia Olga Kryshtanovskaya prepared a report on the mood of Russians under the age of 30 ..
    According to the Lab, most young people share liberal democratic values ​​(Russians). The exception is the North Caucasian and Southern federal districts (not Russian), where the majority belong to sympathizers of communist ideology. belay Also, their positions are strong in the Ural Federal District, where a significant number of young supporters of national-imperial movements also live.

    - Young people are critical of both the government and the opposition. Young people suspect that opposition leaders are not fighting for the good of the people, but for personal power, that is, they want to break through to the “pie”. Many believe that opposition leaders need to act decisively and outside the legal field. Young people are waiting for Danko, who is ready to challenge the system, sparing neither life nor freedom, ”says Olga Kryshtanovskaya.
    Representatives of national republics support the current leadership of the country. They "are a reliable pillar of the Kremlin," the document says.
    - Where people have more authoritarian thinking, they are more likely to accept strong power. In addition, national policy plays a role. Putin is holding back nationalist talk, and minority representatives feel his support, ”Kryshtanovskaya explains.
    Deputy Chairman of the Dagestan Youth Union Ramazan Kurbanov also agrees with the findings of sociologists.

    “Most of us are for United Russia, for Vladimir Putin,” he said.
    Chairman of the All-Russian Interethnic Union of Youth Kantemir Khurtaev explains that the Caucasian culture is characterized by a cult of power.

    - Vladimir Putin creates the image of a strong man. In addition, the Caucasus is well aware that in the event of a collapse of the country, small nations will be affected first of all.
    During the recent parliamentary elections, United Russia received the highest results in the country in the national republics of the Caucasus. In Dagestan, 91% of voters voted for the party in power, and 99,5% in Chechnya.

    when will it reach the Russians that it is necessary to hold on to Putin and not a swamp slush? what by the way in Tatarstan, too, at 80% for Putin good
    1. optimist
      optimist April 22 2013 17: 53 New
      +1
      Probably, you are also fed by the GDP, since you are tearing up your ass for it? The entire Caucasus sits on subsidies of 80-95%: still they would not vote for the "guarantor" !!!
    2. Retx
      Retx April 22 2013 19: 27 New
      +2
      The Russians will come when they will be considered the support, not the young Caucasians. You know, now we are not the only titular nation, now the Chechens are also with us. How not to scold him after such a spit? And to the extreme it’s not necessary, the Russians do not support swamp slush, but they have the LAW to scold and blame for the power, if that BAD does its job.
  34. Day 11
    Day 11 April 22 2013 18: 39 New
    -1
    Dad, and you for whom? For Kadyrov or Evkurov?
  35. serge
    serge April 22 2013 19: 45 New
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    Yes, they don’t share their lumps. These are the lands of the Terek Cossack army.
  36. Smoke
    Smoke April 22 2013 20: 56 New
    +1
    these are Russian lands and not troops there .... today the Ingush live there, and tomorrow they may not live if the people are finally reached. I don’t understand, can it really be that the leaders of the Caucasian republics themselves do not feel how the Russians are gradually heating up with respect to the Caucasus .... I remember in the 90s even when the war was and there was no such hatred for Caucasians ... After all, if it breaks out, then there will be one in the Caucasus the Great Massacre, and by no means Russian.
    1. Sereja.smile
      Sereja.smile April 22 2013 22: 56 New
      +3
      These problems began to accumulate even before the USSR, at which, by the way, there was some order (although the problems continued to accumulate). Remember the Caucasian wars before the XX century. And in general, unhealthy extremism is in their blood (especially among the Chechens). And it cannot be cured! Give me a link, have Russians blown themselves up in the last 10 years? Why yourself - others? I do not know of such cases. But even if there were a couple of cases - compare as a percentage how they "have fun" and blow up, cut, shoot the bearded from the mountains (how many hundreds of thousands there are) and tens of millions of ours. You start to be afraid. For your children. With the phenomenally huge birth rate of horsemen. No matter how late it gets, brothers ...
  37. Gorko
    Gorko April 23 2013 11: 13 New
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    Yevkurov has something to hate Kadyrov for. Firstly, Evkurov, Yunus-bek Bamatgireevich is a real airborne military officer, and secondly, he exterminated such scumbags as Kadyrov the elder and Kadyrov the younger and the hero, he received it for military merits, and not as a “killer and terrorist” just like Kadyrov.
  38. torrnado
    torrnado April 23 2013 22: 30 New
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    I am for Evkurov. He is clearly more decent than this "hero" -clown. If the Chechen-Ingush Republic were restored and Yunus-Bek Bamatgireevich was put at the head, there would be much more order in the Caucasus.