How the SVO "disfigured" the appearance of our tanks

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How the SVO "disfigured" the appearance of our tanks

Amateurishness in the form of field and unofficial modification of military equipment is not a new phenomenon, because, as we know, if you want to live, you have to be able to spin. However, it was during the special military operation in Ukraine that it acquired such a scale that was unthinkable in the context of past conflicts. This is especially true for the "land iron fist", that is, tanks, where field craftsmen, in an effort to protect themselves from destructive weapons, practice in a “whatever-you-can” style.

A tank is not an all-powerful thing


Generally speaking, the familiar word “tank”, excluding its original foreign meaning as a container (tare) for something, is firmly associated with a combat vehicle with high firepower, good armor and other important characteristics that allow it to dominate the battlefield in the “see-shoot” format. It is not for nothing that the popular expression “push[s] like a tank” appeared, denoting the desire to overcome any obstacles on the way to achieving the set goal.



There is nothing to find fault with here, in general. The tank was and remains one of the main means of solving almost any combat mission directly on the ground - whether in deep defense or in attack. It is simply impossible to replace it with any monstrosities in the form of unmanned vehicles or projects of vague assault tarantasses with far from universal weapons that are being circulated in many media and other resources in the near future. But anti-tank threats are not standing still either.

A modern tank is a vehicle whose armor is sharply differentiated with the main emphasis on the frontal projection, while the sides, rear, and roof get by with minimal values ​​of armor thickness and equivalents. Such a scheme can backfire even if the enemy uses classic anti-tank weapons in the form of missiles, grenades or cannon shells of various kinds. What can we say about a completely new type of threat that has become simply colossally widespread since February 2022.

Yes, we are talking about drones — those same “tank killers” that significantly changed the course of military operations. Unlike anti-tank missiles, even homing ones that attack the roof, they, under the control of an experienced operator, are capable of striking the weakest point of a combat vehicle. It is impossible to fully protect against them with dynamic protection, since it is physically impossible to cover 100% of a tank’s armor area with it. There is not a single serial active protection system that could somehow neutralize a “grenade with propellers” on approach, and EW does not always help, especially when controlling a drone via fiber optics.

In this regard, it would be quite interesting to see how our army's homemade protection of tanks from unmanned aerial vehicles evolved and how their appearance from elegant forms turned into a real "hthon" - something strange and creepy. Especially considering that this homemade work has become widespread and in terms of overall uniformity of execution has surpassed everything that was done before the SVO.

The first "mangals" or "visors"


It is worth noting here that we will not touch on the installation of dynamic protection directly on the tank. Of course, it is also often improvised, but its location often depends entirely on the supply of "explosive elements" of a particular unit and the imagination of those who install it. Therefore, no synchronicity can be observed - somewhere the ERA is attached almost to the fenders, and somewhere even standard equipment cannot be found.


Standard "brazier" or "visor" for tanks of some units before the start of the SVO. Source: mil.ru

With shielding, that is, the installation of platoon screens at a distance from the armor, everything is somewhat different - a certain general trend is present. And this primarily concerns those very "visors" or "barbecues" that were spotted in the Russian Army some time before the start of the special military operation in Ukraine. They were not made in a makeshift manner, but almost in factory conditions, welding a second lattice roof over the tank turret. And not exclusively against drones.

According to the plans, such structures were multifunctional. They, again according to the plans, could, if necessary, protect against a “slap in the back of the head” from a projectile launched from the “Bayraktar”, and also repel the “roof-piercing” American missile of the “Javelin” complex. But the total domination of the Turkish drones did not happen, and for the Javelin, in principle, such a superstructure was initially like a poultice for a dead man. But from the drops of cumulative warheads and grenades from quadcopters onto the roof and into the open hatches of tanks, which became quite frequent in the first months and even a year of the SVO, the "barbecues" helped.


One example of a homemade "barbecue" on a tank

These circumstances were the reason for the total equipping of tanks with "barbecues", and not only factory ones. Field artisans were also actively involved in this, sometimes making this second roof from completely improvised materials with the final product in the form of an "umbrella" over the turret, which would fall apart from the first kick. By the way, there were and are modifications in the form of "low barbecues" for T-90M tanks, which are located almost close to the turret roof, without blocking the sights and remote-controlled machine gun.


Low "grill" on T-90M. Image source on watermark

But, speaking in general, domestic plants also began producing these shielding means in a modernized version, supplying tanks with "barbecues" to the front, which were additionally equipped with dynamic protection in zigzag casings. The idea is interesting in principle, especially with the use of dynamic protection. At least because its explosive effect can reduce to zero or minimize the damaging effect of cumulative ammunition dropped from a copter.


"Mangal" with the possibility of installing dynamic protection. Image source: "Uralvagonzavod"

But this effect alone is not enough, since over time drones of a completely different order have taken the dominant position. These are FPVs capable of carrying a cumulative or high-explosive fragmentation charge (the latter is more relevant to the defeat of enemy manpower) and attacking vulnerable places. No "visors" or "barbecues" covering only the roof of the tower were an insurmountable obstacle for them.

"Tsar-barbecues" and cables


With the advent of FPV drones on the battlefield, the use of which soon became so widespread that they turned into one of the main problems for armored vehicles, the general trend among field artisans was to equip tanks and other combat vehicles with structures whose screening effect extended not only to the roof projection. In other words, the priority in their manufacture was also the protection of the sides/rear/forehead. At the same time, it is noteworthy that the domestic industry has not provided anything serial and sensible in this regard.

The range of products here turned out to be unusually rich. Any materials at hand were and are used, including even all kinds of logs. The latter, by the way, began to be used especially actively in self-propelled artillery, when a whole log house or "hut" made of lumber was built around the tower. Often right up to the armor, which in principle does not provide any protection from cumulative ammunition - the cumulative jet of even an old Soviet RPG-7 grenade penetrates a thick layer of wood.


However, in most cases, metal is used. These include metal meshes, sheet iron, and even chains installed at a distance from the armor. Complementing the roof protection (often the "grill" on the roof and screens in other projections somehow form a single whole), they allow minimizing the armor penetration of the projectile carried by the drone, reducing the chance of fatal damage to the tank and any other combat vehicle. These "homemade" things sometimes look really scary, but what can you do - you need to survive and perform a combat mission somehow.

The "king-mangals" deserve special attention - story Their appearance is somewhat comical. The fact is that last spring, one of the Russian military units had a rather serious problem: the turret rotation mechanisms of one of the "seventy-twos" failed (either there was some problem with the stabilizer or with the controls), but repairs, at least in the near future, were impossible.


The solution was found quickly. Since the tank was essentially deprived of the ability to fire, it was turned into a natural self-propelled hangar, welding a frame onto it and installing metal sheets on it almost all the way around. The effect of such a monster appearing on the battlefield was both media and practical - the screen, removed from the main armor in the form of a kind of hangar, made the vehicle almost invulnerable to FPV drones, which became the reason for the widespread use of such designs.

Tanks with "tsar-mangals" are actively used as assault vehicles. They are also used to equip ersatz tractors made from tanks that have lost their combat capability and some other examples of tracked vehicles. Moreover, "tsar-mangals" have been developed into "boxes" for transporting infantry, turning their carrier (tank) into a kind of infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier.


Tank with a superstructure for infantry in the rear

As for the most "new-fangled" means of protection, the leading position today is occupied by steel cables. They themselves have long been in use and even received a very interesting and, in principle, logical name "dreadlocks" in honor of a peculiar hairstyle in which the hair is twisted and stuck together into dense long strands, forming "ropes". Tanks with them often appear in the frame in various parts of the front.



Often such "dreadlocks" are attached to a common "barbecue" base. Their purpose is twofold: the drone will either simply not be able to approach the main armor of the tank, bumping into them and breaking its wings, or its cumulative charge will detonate at a large distance from the armor when the fuse comes into contact with the cable. At the same time, of course, it is important to understand that in terms of their mass, the cables will be no better than some kind of Rabitz mesh, but they are flexible, that is, they do not limit the mobility of the turret and do not greatly interfere with the view.

And another direction of using cables, which has begun to be widely practiced, is not just hanging cables, but untwisting them, turning them into a kind of bush from many small branching strands. In this case, they are mounted pointwise - not only along the perimeter of the tower or above the roof, but also in arbitrary places, including on "barbecues". With these "devices" a tank, and any other machine (such cables are installed on almost everything that drives), sometimes begins to look like some kind of hedgehog or porcupine.



Image source: TV channel "Russia 1"

It's funny that in a recent article in the New York Times this type of protection was positioned as a way to counteract drones on fiber optics, supposedly the fiber optic "fishing line" would get tangled in the bushes and that would be the end of the drone. This scenario is certainly not excluded, but unraveled cables can also simply prevent the drone from flying up to the tank - it will get tangled, the blades will break, and so on. Well, they can also work as a platoon screen.

Of course, all of the above does not exhaust the entire spectrum of field inventions - it is simply useless to list all the fantasies of artisans: somewhere they hang nets, somewhere they weld frames, someone experiments with combined materials, and so on. There are simply very, very many homemade products. Nevertheless, the list provided reflects precisely those general trends that have become widespread throughout the zone of the special military operation in Ukraine.

Conclusions


This material, of course, is not about tanks allegedly losing the aesthetics and elegance of their battle lines. In combat conditions, this has absolutely no meaning. What is more important is the fact itself: drones have radically changed the modern battlefield, and traditional tanks were not ready for this. Their protection scheme has hardly undergone any fundamental changes since the end of World War II: the emphasis was still on the frontal armor, while the roof and sides remained secondary. As a result, new methods had to be literally invented on the fly - from what was at hand.

The situation, in fact, has a historical parallel: the USSR once also actively experimented with all sorts of screens, including folding nets and tents to counteract cumulative ammunition. Later, these solutions faded into the background with the advent of dynamic protection, the mass production of tanks with combined armor. But now, with the spread of drones, the need for similar "field umbrellas" has arisen again - albeit in a different form. History seems to have come full circle, clearly showing that even the most powerful armored vehicles are forced to constantly adapt to new challenges.

It remains to be hoped that one day this amateurish approach will fade into the background with the advent of active protection against drones.
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  1. +6
    16 September 2025 04: 19
    Any war is a driving force of engineering thought, now a new stage of evolution has arrived, into something this will turn and change the whole approach to building technology.
    1. +8
      16 September 2025 10: 23
      The evolutionary stage is connected with the Information Revolution, and it started back in the 90s. Due to the collapse of the USSR and the Soviet Army and the years of stagnation, we have not yet crossed this stage in the military sphere. And if there are some advances in strategic weapons, then in conventional weapons used in the SVO, nothing has changed since the times of the USSR.
      Name at least one new concept of Modern Combat! It does not exist! How can we talk about Modern Warfare if the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces has no idea about it? How can we do something if we do not know what we want to get, and what will happen in that case? It will turn out like in the North Caucasus Military District. Neither Georgia nor Syria have taught the dumbed-down generals anything. If there is no concept of Modern Combat, how can we define the role of a tank and other weapons in it, and there is no need to talk about the interaction between them! "Go there - I don't know where, bring that - I don't know what" - this is the main concept of the development of the Russian Armed Forces. These generals have not even read the Russian Federation Military Doctrine of 2014...
      1. -4
        16 September 2025 12: 22
        Quote: Okko777
        The evolutionary stage is connected with the Information Revolution, and it started back in the 90s. Due to the collapse of the USSR and the Soviet Army and the years of stagnation, we have not yet crossed this stage in the military sphere. And if there are some advances in strategic weapons, then in conventional weapons used in the SVO, nothing has changed since the times of the USSR.
        Name at least one new concept of Modern Combat! It does not exist! How can we talk about Modern Warfare if the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces has no idea about it? How can we do something if we do not know what we want to get, and what will happen in that case? It will turn out like in the North Caucasus Military District. Neither Georgia nor Syria have taught the dumbed-down generals anything. If there is no concept of Modern Combat, how can we define the role of a tank and other weapons in it, and there is no need to talk about the interaction between them! "Go there - I don't know where, bring that - I don't know what" - this is the main concept of the development of the Russian Armed Forces. These generals have not even read the Russian Federation Military Doctrine of 2014...

        That's right. Drones were actively used (by Israel) back in 1982 (5th Arab-Israeli war)! As many as 2022 years have passed until 40... and the multi-star generals probably slept through these 40 years. They still don't want to know anything except the Battle of Kursk (and can't).
    2. 0
      23 December 2025 15: 56
      Here's another version of a shed on a tank - a container
  2. +6
    16 September 2025 04: 54
    I liked the chains welded to the canopies of the fence... smile thundered with eyebrows.
    What people can't come up with. what
    1. +5
      16 September 2025 08: 34
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What people can't come up with.

      As one character said: "If you want to live, you'll spread your legs even further!"

      The time is not far off when an effective means of combating drones will be found and then tanks will not need body kits.
      1. +7
        16 September 2025 09: 03
        Quote: Boris55
        The time is not far off when an effective means of combating drones will be found and then tanks will not need body kits.

        This phrase will soon be four years old. Here.. “Dreadlocks” were invented..
        1. -1
          16 September 2025 15: 16
          And if we take into account that drones began to be actively used in combat operations around 2011-2012, then it turns out to be more than 10 years already.
        2. +2
          19 September 2025 09: 48
          Dreadlocks are lightweight and not restrictive, right? So what more do you need? There's nothing shameful about them.
          1. +1
            19 September 2025 21: 19
            Quote: surok1
            Dreadlocks are lightweight and not restrictive, right? So what more do you need? There's nothing shameful about them.

            They are not very light, but it is not the dreadlocks themselves that are shameful, but the lack of active means of combating UAVs over the past four years.
      2. +6
        16 September 2025 09: 19
        Quote: Boris55
        The time is not far off when an effective means of combating drones will be found and then tanks will not need body kits.

        "home-made solutions will fade into the background with the advent of active defense against drones."
        That's for sure! The anti-drone KAZ module is needed not only for tanks.
        But... one should not refuse grilles, screens, etc. protective equipment.
        Here we need "both this and that, and you can do without bread," as the cartoon character said, but it is desirable to conduct normal research and equip the armored vehicles from factories with such means in full.
        1. 0
          16 September 2025 12: 20
          Quote: Alekseev
          That's for sure! The anti-drone KAZ module is needed not only for tanks.

          drones are a simplified and cheaper version of missiles, it is expensive to equip infantry with missiles but not very expensive with drones, and the problem with missiles/drones, if not from the First World War (where back-up missiles were used), then from the Second World War (where there were homing/guided missiles/drones/back-up missiles and even tanks) and you all, yes, yes, now, the same breakfasts as with nanotechnology, quantum computers, sane AI and cold fusion, we need to work with what we have and first of all implement a network-centric battle management system and communications equipment for it
          1. +4
            16 September 2025 13: 29
            Tukhachevsky was already working on network-centric warfare. True, without taking into account the capabilities of Soviet industry...
        2. + 10
          16 September 2025 12: 42
          Quote: Alekseev
          "home-made solutions will fade into the background with the advent of active defense against drones."

          From the recent news, - "Recently, the American company Epirus released the results of a demonstration for the military of the Leonidas high-power microwave (HPM) system, which creates electromagnetic interference to combat swarms of robotic devices.
          As stated on the developer's website, the new installation showed the best results during testing: Leonidas first disabled 61 out of 61 drones, and then destroyed a swarm of 49 UAVs of two types with a single pulse of high-energy electromagnetic interference. This is 100% success.
          "
          An electromagnetic pulse, as a module of the KAZ, may, if it does not put an end to the dominance of drones, then it can greatly complicate their use.
          It can be added that "SVO" can hardly be considered a standard of modern warfare, all the amateurish work with tank protection, assault deuces and triplets on mopeds, are the product of a positional dead end with the chosen tactics, with absurd self-restraints. Established positions, sighted areas, a swarm of drones on a single tank, all this will disappear in a large, maneuverable war. Here we have already recalled the catchphrase from the film, "If you want to live, you won't be able to spread yourself like that", and you have to bend over because the question arises - what are generals and the General Staff needed for, if the actions of small assault groups are at the forefront and for 3,5 years, there has not been a single military operation at the level of a combined arms army. There is no air supremacy, no supremacy in the Black Sea, where the Black Sea Fleet left Sevastopol for Novorossiysk. Without excellent cooperation between the branches of the armed forces, victory is doubtful, and with the "partisan warfare" that was there, in addition to mopeds and "barbecues", the only thing missing was Batko Makhno's tachankas.
          1. +3
            16 September 2025 13: 53
            Quote: Per se.
            Leonidas first disabled 61 of the 61 drones, then destroyed a swarm of 49 UAVs of two types with a single pulse of high-energy electromagnetic interference.

            This is because they attack in pairs and threes of stormtroopers (loss reduction). Who forces everyone to huddle together, under one impulse? They will attack one by one until they figure out the capacity of the recharging batteries and the frequency of the new impulse. And then they will start burning, as before, but with greater financial losses.
            1. +8
              16 September 2025 14: 21
              Quote: skeptic
              And then they will start burning, as before, but with greater financial losses.

              Large financial losses, plus the depletion of arsenals and warehouses, strategic reserves, this is what is happening.
              The state of Russian tanks in the SVO zone: analysis and forecast (April 2025)

              Initial state (February 2022)
              - Active tanks: 2800 units
              - Warehouse reserves: 7505 units
              ◦ Subject to restoration: 3989
              ◦ In poor technical condition (for disassembly only): 3516

              Production and refurbishment (February 2022 – March 2025)
              - Production of new T-90M: 90 units per year (7,5 per month)
              - Restoration of old models:
              ◦ 2022: 1300 per year (108,33 per month)
              ◦ 2023: 1010 per year (84,17 per month)
              ◦ 2024: 510 per year (42,5 per month)
              ◦ From 2025: 310 per year (25,83 per month)
              - Total replenishment: 3074 tanks

              Battle loss
              - Total losses (February 2022 – March 2025): 3847 tanks

              Current status (April 2025)
              - Tanks in the SVO zone: 2027 units
              - Remaining stock in warehouses: 4716 units
              ◦ Subject to restoration: 1200
              ◦ In poor condition (for disassembly only): 3516

              Forecast
              - Current loss rate: 125 tanks per month
              - Current replenishment: 33,33 tanks per month
              (7,5 new + 25,83 refurbished)
              - Monthly balance: -91,67 tanks

              Projected resource depletion
              - Complete exhaustion of the front group: February 4, 2027
              - Complete depletion of renewable reserves: February 2029

              After this, Russia will only be able to count on producing 7,5 new tanks per month, which will not cover the current rate of losses (125 tanks per month).

              We will be left with bare bottoms, with such tactics, just at the moment of depletion of NATO reserves will be ready for war with its mobilized industry.
              Also, each drone is tied to an operator, the operator to a familiar place, in large-scale military actions, maneuver warfare, none of this will happen, especially with the use of nuclear weapons. Such an "operation", push-pull, is beneficial only to fat cats who profit from war, and justifies the chewing of snot, henpecked big capital.
              1. -1
                17 September 2025 12: 39
                Skomorokhov just wrote that tanks are no longer needed, why churn out hundreds of them a month?
                1. 0
                  17 September 2025 14: 50
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  Why rivet them?
                  Mopeds and pickups, Nastya, are not an army, and the "SVO" is not a war.
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2025 14: 51
                    So they themselves answered that it's not a war, tanks and guns are stockpiled for many years to come.
                    1. +2
                      18 September 2025 06: 16
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      They themselves answered that it was not a war.

                      It's a bitter irony, Nastya, for our masters of life, "xе"Rurgov", this is an "operation", that's why we've been marking time for the fourth year, fighting and trading with enemies at the same time.
                      What's "in stock", well, well, the DPRK will help us, let's be optimistic, - "there's still room for improvement"...
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2025 08: 24
                        We must be optimistic; we can't lose now.
              2. 0
                25 September 2025 16: 17
                Per se.(Sergey) Forecast:...

                1.) This forecast was drawn to stir your imagination.
                2.) No one will give out secret numbers that will lead to imprisonment.
                3.) Loss calculations on special websites are nonsense - they duplicate losses of one object in large numbers using photos/videos from different angles, and there are also those where the charred remains of the enemy are passed off as the opposite side - I personally checked this.

                production of 7,5 new tanks per month
                nonsense
                The speed of the conveyor line on just one of the UVZ lines is shown in this 30-second video, which is already a hundred years old.
                https://vkvideo.ru/video-189986775_456239706?ref_domain=yastatic.net

                War is the art of deception.
                1. 0
                  26 September 2025 07: 23
                  Quote: Disant
                  War is the art of deception
                  Not just war, but politics too. Amid fireworks and celebrations, after the closure of numerous factories, research institutes, and design bureaus, and the "optimized" military-industrial complex, it's easier to inspire optimism in a capitalism plucked from the dustbin of history.
          2. +2
            16 September 2025 14: 14
            Well, we smoothly moved from barbecues to strategy. laughing
            What do you mean there is no air superiority?
            Is this to bomb like in Syria, with cast iron, albeit with the help of the Hephaestus targeting system?
            But this is impossible when there are air defense systems, and the West provides a lot of them.
            Almost daily raids by hundreds of Geraniums and strikes by dozens of FABs with UMPKs, despite the fact that much less of this stuff is used against us, this is the so-called dominance.
            Yes, if we had not a couple of hundred Su-34s, and also the same number of serviceable Su-24Ms, but a couple of thousand, with everything that comes with them, then we would dominate better....
            But from the 90s to the beginning of the SVO, everything was just cut and optimized. request
            What should the fleet do? Be based in the active range of weapons. Or cut through the sea? If cut through, then for what purpose? To sink transports near Odessa? There is no need to go to sea for that. There are aircraft, missiles, and drones. And if they do not sink, then the reason is probably different. We also have ports and there is no sign of active influence on them. Is there an agreement on this issue with the Turks and other countries? A landing operation? But this is not only a matter for the fleet and the time has not come for it yet. Why? Because few Bandar-logs have been driven in, i.e. there are still combat-ready forces that can disrupt such an operation. And the ships carry out missile strikes, that is probably all that is required of them now. There is no need to escort merchant ships from our ports yet. The possible reason is above.
            As for small groups, it is not small groups that fight, but companies, battalions, regiments. Small groups are a tactical form and there are hundreds of them in the MSP.
            Otherwise Ukrainians If we hadn’t busified everyone, we wouldn’t have made such efforts to staff the army.
            The groups are small, why do we need hundreds of thousands of soldiers? wink
            1. +4
              16 September 2025 14: 36
              Quote: Alekseev
              The groups are small, why do we need hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

              What can I say... One word - capitalism. What can I console myself with - everything is God's will...
              Nevertheless, it's either us or them. The West would only want to see a strong Russia in its grave; the Soviet Union was not destroyed in order to strengthen our country. The whole question is how the renegades and newly-minted billionaires see the country, and "who they are under".
              So, from barbecues we smoothly moved to strategy, and from there to politics. What is the cause, and what is the effect...
      3. -1
        16 September 2025 23: 39
        Yes, all of this already exists. The Germans have a 30mm cannon with projectiles with a programmable fuse. The British have a machine gun with a smart sight that fires itself when the target is calculated in the reticle where it should be. Like ours can't do it? They can, when there is a will from above...
        1. -1
          17 September 2025 12: 40
          but their weapons don't help))))))))))
          1. +1
            19 September 2025 10: 24
            Guten morgen)) so they never supplied anything like that
      4. 0
        13 November 2025 15: 11
        Or the second option is that the tanks themselves won't be needed in the same form and as they were before.
    2. man
      0
      16 September 2025 10: 47
      Quote: The same Lech
      I liked the chains welded to the canopies of the fence... smile thundered with eyebrows.
      What people can't come up with. what

      I remembered: "If you want to live, you'll spread yourself even more"
  3. + 15
    16 September 2025 05: 33
    Photos are funny of course, but it's better to be funny but alive.
  4. -11
    16 September 2025 05: 43
    What is the article about, I don't know about anything
    1. +2
      16 September 2025 17: 32
      about what it is armored vehicle protection solution for the poor
      due to the lack of KAZ operating on UAS, ATGM, RPG and FPV drones
      including tandem combat units
      due to the absence of at least robotic machine gun mounts like on the T-14
      1. -4
        16 September 2025 18: 00
        So what? What next????What's the point?
      2. 0
        16 September 2025 23: 49
        So the question is why in the country where the KAZ was invented they don't give it to tankers. And the price is an excuse, I think. It's all just nonsense. And how do people fall for it?
  5. 0
    16 September 2025 05: 43
    Until equipment starts to be equipped with "full-fledged" active-passive protection systems, it will be amateurish work.
    Back in the 90s, the Italians demonstrated a pair of machine guns with a millimeter radar for destroying incoming objects.
    "A force field and lasers will save the galaxy."
    1. 0
      16 September 2025 08: 48
      Back in the 90s, the Italians demonstrated a pair of machine guns with a millimeter radar for destroying incoming objects.

      Firstly, an electronically controlled turret is expensive. Then you need to identify the target. Or maybe it's your own drone? An oncoming BMP on the road, there are soldiers on the armor, there's a lot of iron on them. Won't it fire? A drone is not a projectile or a missile, you can't cut off "non-targets" by speed, like in a KAZ. There are many nuances.
      1. -5
        16 September 2025 12: 48
        Quote: user1212
        Or maybe this is your own drone?

        it's good if it's your drone and not your soldier/general or a granny flying by (Baba Yaga) or not flying by but a regular one, well you get the idea, I would suggest turning it on only during assaults and putting your own marks on the infantry but I don't understand this
        1. +2
          16 September 2025 20: 48
          It's good if it's your own drone and not your own soldier/general
          - following your "logic" it is strange that all the armies of the world did not destroy themselves.
          1. -1
            17 September 2025 09: 22
            That's why they didn't destroy it—isn't it obvious? We need automatic systems that can distinguish a target from a person or property with near-100% accuracy, and apparently neither we nor they have such automatic systems yet.
            1. 0
              17 September 2025 16: 34
              Kaz is not used in series
              - you are probably from a parallel universe or your own.
              1. 0
                18 September 2025 13: 21
                You're probably talking about the Armata, which is like Shredder's cat, which is kind of there and kind of not. Oh, I forgot it's a production model. I doubt they're allowed to turn on the KAZ outside the range, and even then, when there's nothing valuable nearby. And if it goes into the army, it's unknown with or without the KAZ. And who among us is from a parallel universe?
      2. +7
        16 September 2025 13: 33
        Firstly, an electronically controlled turret is expensive.
        It's expensive to waste equipment, people and lose the war. It's expensive to maintain Timurov's men. But the turret will pay for itself a hundred times over.
        Or maybe this is your own drone?
        What should your drone do near our tank?
        An oncoming BMP on the road, soldiers on the armor, a lot of iron on them. Won't it shoot? A drone is not a shell or a missile, here you can't cut off "non-targets" by speed, like in a KAZ. Lots of nuances
        Well, yes, we need to think, do something. Or we can just repair a Soviet tank, send it to the front and let the soldiers weld all sorts of junk fool
        1. -11
          16 September 2025 13: 44
          Quote from alexoff
          it's expensive to waste equipment, people and lose the war

          What exactly was this about?

          Quote from alexoff
          It is expensive to maintain Timurovites

          What is this about?

          Quote from alexoff
          What should your drone do near our tank?

          Be Yes

          Quote from alexoff
          Well yes, we need to think, do something

          That's exactly it. And not to blab. The report is finished Yes
          1. +1
            16 September 2025 13: 50
            That's exactly it. And not to blab. The report is finished

            That's exactly it. And not to blab. The report is finished Yes
            1. -5
              16 September 2025 13: 51
              Quote from alexoff
              And don't just blab

              WELL, you've already talked a lot there... will there be an answer, expert? laughing
        2. -1
          25 September 2025 16: 38
          alexoff(Alexander) And the turret will pay for itself a hundred times over.
          You are deeply mistaken. Currently, a single infantryman can be attacked by two drones simultaneously. the density of drone operators' calculations is very high.
          already use one operator to control several drones at the same time.
          A turret with super-duper radars will be of no concern to anyone.
          1. 0
            25 September 2025 17: 42
            Can a hundred drones fly into a tank at once? Does the turret rotate slower than the tank's turret? Is there only one turret and only one tank? Is it also impossible to detect where a hundred drones are flying out from and hit them with your own drones?
            A turret with super-duper radars will be of no use to anyone
            Especially for tankers. I think that's why they put them in loaves of bread, since there's no difference, and loaves are cheaper.
      3. -1
        16 September 2025 20: 47
        First
        - no need to go any further, you seem to be from the "stone age" and new things are not for you.
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      5. -1
        19 September 2025 10: 32
        Complex and expensive, so why not do it and spare the people behind the technology? Tracking and identification have long been a non-issue, even for small, fast-moving targets. There's nothing special about it. The crew makes the decision to fire. And it's not exactly cheap—optics or a small radar, AI. Everything can be solved.
    2. +1
      16 September 2025 18: 01
      Italians only have wine and pizza that are good
  6. + 11
    16 September 2025 06: 14
    sometimes it starts to look like some kind of hedgehog
    If this mouse,
    Holding it very carefully,
    Stuff it with needles,
    You will get a hedgehog. lol
  7. +5
    16 September 2025 07: 27
    Drones, drones... and if they shoot a tactical baton, what will happen to all these drone operators? This war, with self-restrictions, is simply being waged "wrongly".
    1. -2
      21 September 2025 23: 28
      Drones, drones...what if they fire a tactical baton and what will happen to all these drone operators?
      Nothing bad will happen. The electronics unit, no bigger than a matchbox, is wrapped in copper foil or leaded cardboard. The lens is coated with pre-tinted glass. That's it! Electric motors don't care about the rigid scale. Let's keep working.
      Well, there's no fighting near the epicenter. Except maybe in computer games. laughing
      1. +1
        22 September 2025 08: 28
        And where are they conducted? A tactical nuclear strike is carried out across the entire tactical depth, and then armored vehicles advance through the roasted enemy. You can wrap everything in foil yourself, from head to toe. laughing .
        1. 0
          12 October 2025 00: 22
          The TNW strike is carried out across the entire tactical depth and then armored vehicles move through the roasted enemy.
          Would you personally be prepared to dash through an area hit by a nuclear strike in armor, wearing a protective suit and a gas mask? And then report back on your combat effectiveness.
          Okay. You've passed the lead-lined cardboard-wrapped nuclear weapons impact zone. You've reached a new frontier. What's next? Your faint glow in the dark won't be a problem for drones at this new frontier, where the effects of the nuclear weapons explosion haven't reached.
          How do you plan to supply the group at the new frontier? Your only option is a patchwork of tactical nuclear weapons. And it'll be a hot spot for several more months.
          Just to understand the problem. In Brazil, a medical device containing several grams of the cesium isotope was once dumped. Nonferrous metal enthusiasts found the device and smashed it. The ampoule containing the source was smashed. Then, a half-meter layer of soil was removed and taken away for disposal. Thousands of tons of soil had to be removed there. A TNW warhead contains several kilograms of radioactive material. At best, half of it reacts, the rest is evenly distributed over the area. Plus, there are the byproducts of the reaction.
          1. 0
            12 October 2025 09: 52
            Supplies? Easy, through a neighboring, undeveloped section of enemy territory. Because the enemy there was hit from the rear and flank, took off running, and ran away from the radioactive, fire-spitting Russian armor. Sure, a loaf of bread has countless side effects, but it fundamentally changes the course of combat operations. Your drone operators and gunners/missilemen are finished, throughout the entire operational depth.
            They don't ask about readiness in the army. Both we and the Americans drove troops through the treated areas. It turned out they were ready to fight.
            1. 0
              12 October 2025 22: 51
              Because the enemy there received a blow from the rear and flank, raised his paws and ran away from the Russian armor that was buzzing and spitting fire.
              Always have a great game plan until you get punched in the jaw. (Mike Tyson)

              The end of your drone operators and gunners/missilemen, throughout the entire operational depth.
              Why the end? What exactly? If they're not at the epicenter or 30 km away from it (you think our tanks will be there, catching the blast and spitting armor), what's the end for them? Electronics manufactured at 25 nm are now physically more robust than those manufactured at discrete scales, because those 25 nm still need to be hit by a charged particle.
              Just remember, the West will help them. Instead of a thousand burned-out drones, they'll bring back five thousand.

              Both we and the American troops drove through the cultivated areas. It turned out that fighting was possible.
              No problem! Why aren't you already on the armor? Where's your personal example? Show me personally that being afraid of X-rays, sieverts, and becquerels is sheer nonsense! Or get three CT scans in a row, and then a couple more X-rays. Do you know how your ribs ache and you feel generally uneasy afterwards? Guaranteed disgusting feeling for six months. And then some nasty spots on your arms and legs.
              1. 0
                14 October 2025 09: 42
                You're talking about stable microcircuits again. There will be no one to start them. It will be covered throughout the entire depth and width of the breach, remember? They'll bubble up, and the remote controls will melt. And if there aren't any? Then that's perfect.

                Who will the West push? We are the TNWs.
                We can only use it on their territory. You can't shoot with a loaf of bread on the outskirts. There we'll have to do it the old-fashioned way.

                1. 0
                  19 October 2025 00: 15
                  Again you are talking about stable microcircuits.
                  Not exactly. I'm more talking about the danger of contamination of nearby regions of our country by radioactive waste. The European part of Russia has the highest population density and industrial capacity. Why poison them? And our soldiers, too. Besides, we'll have to deal with decontaminating the liberated territory later. Why all the hassle and complications? If we're going to decontaminate TNW, then we'll do it in the areas furthest from our borders and closest to Europe (Ternopil, Khmelnytskyi, Vinnytsia, Chernivtsi). Especially since those regions are home to the most hardened and rabid nationalists, training centers, factories, and warehouses. This will move the contaminated area as far away from our territory as possible and bring it closer to those who most desire war, including nuclear war. They'll experience the consequences firsthand, something they constantly wish upon us.

                  There will be no one to launch it
                  This is solved more easily and cheaply, without any nuclear weapons. Moreover, biological weapons have a huge amplification effect. Nuclear weapons are far inferior to biological weapons in terms of cost, accuracy (they burn everything), and amplification effect. Knowing the greed of pharmaceutical companies, they could finance this.

                  Who will the West push? We are the TNWs.
                  we can only apply it on their territory
                  This is an incorrect interpretation. It needs to be different, so that it's felt but not understood. We could conduct a scientific experiment with a critical mass many times greater (by 20-30 kilotons) somewhere in the Khmelnytskyi and Ternopil regions and explain it away by citing our scientists' desire to win the Nobel Prize. As soon as everyone starts talking, it's easy to explain that our scientists haven't fully figured it out yet and are eager to continue their experiments.

                  You can't shoot with a loaf of bread on the outskirts.
                  It's stupid and pointless on your own. What problems are there on someone else's?

                  We'll have to do it the old-fashioned way there.
                  New, unexpected, unpredictable, and, most importantly, inexplicable solutions are needed!!! No common sense whatsoever, other than to avoid harming oneself with possible infection.
                  1. 0
                    19 October 2025 18: 22
                    There's only one solution: total war. Only under the liberal whining that's been going on for 30 years will this be a problem.
                    1. 0
                      19 October 2025 18: 40
                      There are a shitload of Russians living in the Ternopil and Khmelnytskyi regions. That was also the USSR.
                      1. 0
                        26 October 2025 21: 16
                        That's precisely why we need to detonate the charge near our borders, so that the winds blow radiation beyond the Volga region, and drive our soldiers across the atomic ashes (after all, we don't feel sorry for them, unlike those irreplaceable, brilliant designers). Fantastic! Beat and kill our own, so that the enemy will fear us! It really feels like the old Soviet school. That's right, school!
                      2. 0
                        27 October 2025 02: 56
                        Where did I suggest launching tactical nuclear weapons on our territory? Quite the opposite. And only when NATO is on the offensive. Absolutely not in the Civil War or on our own. That's why those pimply scumbags with remote controls are making fun of our army: it's impossible to fight by the rules yet.
  8. Owl
    +5
    16 September 2025 07: 38
    To protect personnel and preserve equipment - any initiative is worthy, in the early 2000s, in another war, we ourselves covered the bodies of "Urals" with logs, and attached metal sheets to this covering on both sides.
  9. -9
    16 September 2025 07: 46
    Tanks were originally designed to destroy infantry entrenched in trenches. Then they found a wider application as mobile firing points. Then tanks turned into expensive anti-tanks and now they are trying to rethink the tactics of using these anti-tanks. But in addition to the danger of various ATGMs, other anti-tank weapons have appeared, much cheaper and difficult to hide from, and also quite universal. The time of tanks can come only in a war with the use of nuclear weapons, in such conditions as the SVO there is no point in using tanks and helicopters costing thousands or more UAVs. Instead of tanks, heavily armored unmanned mine-clearing vehicles are needed
  10. + 16
    16 September 2025 08: 40
    The only thing that's offensive is that at the front, the guys are doing whatever they can to survive, and at the same time, the RPL football club is buying a legionnaire for 20 million euros - parallel realities.
    1. -4
      16 September 2025 10: 56
      It's just a shame one thing that guys at the front in order to survive they do whatever they can, and в At the same time, the RPL football club buys a legionnaire for 20 million euros - parallel realities.
  11. -3
    16 September 2025 09: 21
    Without a trawl it’s not shieldable)))
    In fact, it is an evolution from a classic tank into an airborne assault IFV.
  12. +5
    16 September 2025 09: 54
    Our military, as three years ago, should have issued a technical specification for the upgrading of our armored vehicles, and workshops should have manufactured these sets of vehicles in factory conditions, and installed them at the front, and things would go well. hi
    1. -2
      16 September 2025 10: 59
      Our military should have issued the technical specifications three years ago. to improve our armored vehicles

      how.ly barbecues started to be built back in 2014, but we laughed...
      and as for "ours" - who were supposed to do the technical specifications - I'm not even talking about them: they lived in a parallel reality, and even now it looks like they're there...
      1. +4
        16 September 2025 11: 24
        Quote: Dedok
        how.ly barbecues started to be built back in 2014, but we laughed...

        I remember how in the VO they laughed at our barbecues before the SVO - Who needs these visors, it's all just a rip-off, a rip-off and a kickback.
    2. +1
      16 September 2025 11: 01
      Quote: air wolf
      Our military, as three years ago, should have issued technical specifications for the coating of our armored vehicles, and workshops should have manufactured these sets of vehicles in factory conditions, and installed them at the front, and things would go well.

      The main problem of the era of victorious bourgeoisie is profit over necessity.
      If the Ministry of Defense deigns to select the most effective models of protection, but names unrealistically low prices, no one except amateur patriots-do-it-yourselfers will sign up. The defense industry plants will not take it on, because they are overloaded with orders, and the Ministry of Defense has no desire to contact manufacturers of cables, fittings, etc. (simultaneous sales of their products).
  13. -4
    16 September 2025 12: 43
    The most dangerous homemade drone device is the chains that are supposedly attached for protection. But when the drone is blown up, the chains become a deadly material for those around them. The chain links fly off in all directions, becoming deadly fragments...
    1. -2
      16 September 2025 14: 08
      and the armor pieces don't fly apart? I think no more and no less than the chain links
  14. +1
    16 September 2025 13: 26
    Professional tank design engineers and their protection systems have a huge advantage - they are in a warm and safe place from the tank they are theoretically protecting. And the real guys, self-taught technicians, are on the LBS - the line of attack, which threatens the loss of life. So they are trying to save it, in the absence of support from equipment manufacturers. So they do everything on their knees, strictly by eye, by trial and error - as best they can. Designers should be sent to the front lines on a business trip - their heads will immediately start working when a drone goes off nearby (or hits them exactly).
    1. -1
      21 September 2025 23: 13
      Maybe we should move their warm, comfortable workstations with coffee machines and break rooms closer to the lab? So they can think better.
      1. 0
        22 September 2025 08: 38
        They'll kill everyone, and there's nowhere to get new ones. Today's teenagers don't want to learn to be designers. It's not profitable, and the road to knowledge and skills is very long. You won't make any money in this line of work.
        1. 0
          28 September 2025 21: 33
          They'll kill everyone, and there's nowhere to get new ones.
          So should a soldier suffer? Are they even needed after this?

          Today's teenagers don't want to learn to be designers.
          Maybe today's teenagers aren't what they're painted to be? If they understand the futility of this (we have thousands of technical colleges and institutes, but where's the domestic technology on store shelves?)? What's the point of going this long way if in the end you'll just have to re-label things?
          1. 0
            29 September 2025 08: 54
            A real war will require a large number of engineering personnel. We're not talking about everyday perks now. In the very near future, we'll have to manufacture weapons orders of magnitude larger than today's. The use of nuclear weapons seems unlikely. Neither side will dare; the leaders don't want to die. So we'll have to fight "the old way." At most, tactical nuclear weapons and a conventional skirmish with the West.
            1. 0
              5 October 2025 19: 03
              A real war will require a lot of engineering personnel
              So, we sit with our hands folded in warm offices, staring at our monitors, waiting for the real action?

              In the very near future, we will have to produce weapons that are orders of magnitude larger than today's
              To whom and from what? To the lazy, dull, and ossified engineers ensconced in their cozy offices?

              The use of nuclear weapons seems unlikely
              Why not then tear off the tukhes and, in a cold, damp trench, understand for yourself what exactly the weaponry should be?

              Maximum tactical nuclear weapons and conventional warfare with the West.
              Our universities graduate thousands of engineers every year. Why should we feel sorry for them and protect them then?
              1. 0
                5 October 2025 22: 15
                Well, I'm not really arguing with you; it's sometimes quite useful to test your product in action. That's what people do. However, I think shoving a specialist capable of creating new products into the trenches is very wasteful. It's an axiom, and you're just being emotional.
                1. 0
                  5 October 2025 22: 58
                  At the same time, I believe that shoving a specialist capable of creating new products into a trench is very wasteful.
                  Is it normal when dozens, sometimes hundreds, die because there are no new products or the new products aren't so new? Will women give birth to new ones? Women don't fall under the axiom; they're the only ones who should give birth?

                  Well, I'm not really arguing with you; sometimes it's quite useful to test your product in action.
                  Practice is the criterion of truth. This is both an axiom and a dogma. And it will be best when a creative specialist, through personal experience, gains insight and understands the conditions, the state, and the methods by which their marvelous weapon will be used. Sitting in an office, in a comfortable, high-backed chair, it's difficult to see the battlefield.

                  and you have emotions.
                  What's going on with the creativity of those same specialists we should treasure like the apple of our eye? Have they solved the Bernoulli and Navier-Stokes equations? Have they created a fully domestic, efficient, and affordable 3D printer for mass-producing UAVs from carbon fiber? Have they learned how to make sensors for drone cameras and thermal imagers? Should I ask a question about processors and controllers?
                  1. 0
                    5 October 2025 23: 55
                    Well, for them to create all this, they at least have to be there, physically. Modern Russia is short of people capable of using their heads and hands to create, rather than loving, stealing, buying, and foisting off on others. The young reformers and their successors have worked hard. The West will have a really tough time if we put the rest of us in the Civil War. We haven't even started yet. That's true, if you look deeper. For now, it's a get-together of the Empire's fragments.
                    1. 0
                      6 October 2025 00: 29
                      Well, in order for them to create all this, they, at least, must simply exist, physically.
                      If they are physically absent, why are they worried about being sent to a theater of military operations?

                      In modern Russia, there is a shortage of personnel capable of working with their heads and hands to create
                      The country has a shortage of highly qualified, low-paid workers. Everything else is a fairy tale for the poor.

                      The young reformers and their successors worked with all their heart
                      Again, incomprehensible and unknown, but nasty they.

                      The West will have a really hard time if we put the rest of us into the Civil War.
                      After a fairly comprehensive answer regarding processors, optical matrices, materials, machine tools, and solving fundamental problems, there's little point in pitying those remaining. Especially since you made it clear in your first sentence that there's really no one to pity.
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2025 10: 04
                        They will kill you and be physically absent.
                        Fairy tales for the poor? That's all
                        A few posts earlier, we discussed the reluctance of young people to get a profession. There are plenty of other temptations. Why bother toiling away if the government doesn't force you to work for a living?
                        What incomprehensible and unknown ones? They were all in plain sight. One just recently left so as not to irritate the Elohtorat.
                      2. 0
                        12 October 2025 00: 04
                        They will kill you and be physically absent.
                        In the meantime, let the soldiers die?
                        If it's bad manners for unique and slick designers to simply leave their warm and cozy workplaces, then maybe they should be taken to cemeteries for preventative purposes, and then given a tour of hospitals?

                        That's just
                        Several posts earlier we discussed the reluctance of young people to get a profession.
                        Just like the dumpsters outside the entrance. They don't really know why.

                        Why the hell toil if the government doesn't force you to work hard to earn your daily bread?
                        Indeed. Why bother? Or do you think young people are supposed to be nothing but idiots and dumbasses who enjoy toiling? Why toil when you don't have to? And most importantly, why should the government force people to earn a living? Can you explain? Parents have nothing to do with it? They give birth, receive maternity capital, raise the child, and then it's up to the state (the government) to take care of things?
                      3. 0
                        12 October 2025 10: 04
                        Of course, the state, who else? It alone makes laws and enforces them. It is the state that instills in its citizens the right attitude toward work, including through their parents. He who does not work, neither shall he eat.
                      4. 0
                        12 October 2025 22: 58
                        Of course the state, who else?
                        Are you not involved? Is your house on the edge? Just remember, the house on the edge burns first.

                        It is this that instills in its citizens the correct attitude towards work, including through parents.
                        What's the point of parents then? Are they as useful as those unique engineers and legendary designers ensconced in warm, cozy factory offices?

                        He who does not work shall not eat.
                        This isn't dogma, let alone an axiom. You might leave home with a bad attitude and be grilled on your values ​​by those whose parents believe the state should be in charge of raising children.
                      5. 0
                        14 October 2025 09: 31
                        What kind of nonsense did you just tell me?

                        1. I am always busy raising my children, and today my grandchildren.
                        2. see item 1
                        3. Precisely, that dogma and axiom, in the right society, with the right social order.
                      6. 0
                        19 October 2025 00: 27
                        The arguments ran out, my questions were completely unanswered, and then the value judgments began, escalating into emotional insults. Incidentally, this is very reminiscent of the working atmosphere at our design institutes. Moreover, it's a fairly common practice in all sorts of numbered (P.O. Box) research and production institutions. It was especially amusing to watch the circus in front of the military representative.
                        You all need to go to the front, into the trenches under fire, maybe there you'll learn to accept criticism normally, to help each other and work well as a team, and not to squabble and squabble behind the scenes.
                      7. 0
                        19 October 2025 18: 18
                        We don't need everyone at the front. Someone in the rear needs to forge Victory too. But I agree. We need a universal mobilization.
                        As for behind-the-scenes dealings, that's not for me. I've been a private my whole life.
                      8. 0
                        25 October 2025 20: 16
                        Mobilization is needed, universal.
                        In all sorts of research institutes, design bureaus and others, which to this day can only complain about a lack of attention and funding (like some housewives)
    2. +1
      24 September 2025 13: 49
      Quote: Yuri_K_Msk
      Professional tank design engineers and their protection systems have a huge advantage - they are in a warm and safe place from the tank they are theoretically protecting. And the real guys, self-taught technicians, are on the LBS - the line of attack, which threatens the loss of life. So they are trying to save it, in the absence of support from equipment manufacturers. So they do everything on their knees, strictly by eye, by trial and error - as best they can. Designers should be sent to the front lines on a business trip - their heads will immediately start working when a drone goes off nearby (or hits them exactly).


      The designers have a customer/boss who does not/make decisions and does/allocate funding based on his own understanding of his interests (the lives of soldiers are usually not the first priority there).

      And there is also/isn’t an element base in the broad sense of the word.

      Coming up with something is not a big problem.

      The problem is to launch mass production with the required quality.
  15. +2
    16 September 2025 15: 08
    Porcupine wool from pieces of unbraided ropes is quite an interesting direction. Designers should take a closer look at this idea and think over the mechanism of "folding" this rusty fur.
  16. 0
    16 September 2025 19: 49
    I'm interested in the following question - how quickly does all this equipment, weighing not a ton or two, kill the chassis (road wheels in particular) and the turret ring (rollers, cup, motor and drives). Are there any statistics?
    1. Lad
      +3
      16 September 2025 20: 23
      In any case, much slower than the same drones do. Drones generally cope with this in a matter of minutes.
    2. 0
      17 September 2025 12: 45
      Why do we need a chassis if without it the tank's life is less than a minute?
      1. -1
        17 September 2025 12: 50
        What do you mean? Less than a minute - that was during the Battle of Kursk and that was on the battlefield, nowadays there is nothing like hundreds of tanks going head-on. And then - why all this then, if it's less than a minute? Your words are illogical)
        And you still have to get to the battlefield. The tank is unloaded from a lowboy or a station about 50 kilometers from the LBS (closer is suicide) and it drives on its own. What's the point if it doesn't get there?
        1. 0
          17 September 2025 12: 51
          yes, without a barbecue you are on the battlefield less than a minute and many don't even make it to the battlefield, so all sorts of resources of the chassis and engine are no longer of interest
  17. -1
    16 September 2025 20: 21
    It's strange that there is no oven with a grill yet. But seriously, it's a shame for our design bureaus, which in the 4th year of military operations can't offer anything to solve the problem. Total amateurism. It's not clear what the design bureaus are doing. Or is it clear to everyone?
    1. 0
      22 September 2025 08: 43
      Look at the new T-90 and T-80, they're well protected. The main thing is that the detonated ERA units are accessible for replacement.
  18. +1
    16 September 2025 21: 12
    IMHO:
    from radio drones - electronic warfare on equipment. All-aspect, with the possibility of reflashing/changing modules.
    from drones on a leash... I don't know. Without infantry cover with shotguns, this crap calmly flies around the equipment, choosing tasty morsels.
    And one more thing: what can the king-mangal do, like a tank? The answer is nothing...
    1. 0
      16 September 2025 23: 32
      Quote: Alien ...
      from drones on a leash...

      A strong EM pulse kills any poorly shielded electronics. Protection from it is quite problematic - for example, you can't cover the camera's pupil with iron. Even small holes in the screen are dangerous. There are all sorts of TVS, etc. - but everything is very, very complicated.
      The issue is the power of the pulse - and no matter how you direct it, focus it, it will burn out your electronics. And it is not easy to create power.
      But Chinese and homemade ones are household items, not thought out at all from the EMI point of view. There is no reason and it is very difficult.
      So when solving 2 problems - pulse power and protection of your equipment - both opto and radio are damped.
      There is no need to turn off the radio - drowning out these are completely different orders of power.
      1. VlK
        0
        17 September 2025 15: 33
        Perhaps the solution is to detonate an EM munition near a target (or group of targets), then you won't have to illuminate half the galaxy, the power needed will be much less, and the damage to your equipment will be minimal?
        1. +1
          17 September 2025 23: 36
          EM munitions aren't very powerful in small calibers either. They're perfectly adequate for plastic household items, especially radios. But to BURN the internal, non-sensitive electronics of orthocopters, you still need a lot of power.
          But a processor reboot is possible. The issue is mass-producing low-cost ammunition for non-105mm anti-aircraft guns or expensive missiles.
          1. -1
            21 September 2025 23: 19
            If it were all that simple, then artisans would have long ago started loading TNT onto a copper cylinder cut lengthwise and wrapping it all in wire. A cheap version of Sakharov's scheme. But it turns out it's easier and more effective to fire it with a shotgun.
  19. 0
    17 September 2025 14: 58
    It was during the special military operation in Ukraine that it acquired a scale that was unthinkable in previous conflicts.

    Really?
    I've seen something like this somewhere before. About ten years before the SVO.
    What is the author's message?
    No heavy armored personnel carriers?
    Well, few people have it.
    In our country, many argue that this is a luxury exclusively for the extremely specific conditions of the Middle East. Despite the fact that the conversion of tanks into armored personnel carriers began almost as early as WWI, and during WWII, the Allies put this amateurish endeavor into mass production.
    The emphasis was still on the frontal armor, while the roof and sides remained secondary.

    Unobvious facts: Most modern tanks were designed about 50 years ago.
    This is news.
    But, returning to the highly specialized tank from Israel, I ask you to pay attention to the design of the Merkava and other Israeli tanks from the 90s onwards.
    Both the new Mk3 and Mk4 versions and the older M60s received a bowl-shaped turret armor, and the Merkavas also have spaced, multi-layered armor on the hull side (albeit only on the upper part).
    Considering that attempts to create all-round tank armor are as old as tanks themselves, maybe the Merkavas aren't so bad and specific after all?
    It remains to be hoped that one day this amateurish approach will fade into the background with the advent of active protection against drones.

    Quite a difficult task.
    The drone is free to maneuver, meaning it won't be possible to simply throw a fragmentation counter-projectile like Arena and Trophy do; the drones will simply approach the target in a zig-zag pattern.
    There is an option, but instead of shooting shrapnel at the drone, to make, instead of a mortar with counter-munitions, an automatic weapon that shoots rifle cartridges with shot.
    But this is an extremely difficult task. It's one thing to have explosions on or near a tank's hull; then, simply keeping your distance is sufficient. But when the tank is firing pellets in all directions, it's a completely different matter.
    Besides, passive armor isn't going anywhere. The APS can fail, be damaged, or run out of ammunition. But the brazier is like armor; it works until it's completely destroyed.
    And besides, future tank armor will change, favoring a more even distribution of protection across the entire vehicle. But side skirts won't go away. They're a very convenient way to protect a tank. If they're in the way, remove them; if they're broken, fix them; if they're not enough, add them.
    So, neither dreadlocks nor metal construction kits are going anywhere. Don't even count on it.
  20. 0
    17 September 2025 18: 45
    So the question arises: what's wrong and how to combat it? The current situation in the Central Military District, judging by the analysis, only suggests that the number of fighter aircraft should increase exponentially. We're in a kind of crisis where real human lives are in danger. The level of electronic warfare is at best 50%, and this is likely more flattery than fact, so we can't do without fighter drones. We're creating a new fighter force, but with a different subtext.
    1. VlK
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      18 September 2025 13: 53
      For every penny-pinching drone, there's an unmanned fighter jet with an operator—but where are we supposed to find so many operators? Are we supposed to recruit them from high schools and offices, from gamers, so they can fight in their spare time?
      1. +1
        19 September 2025 12: 54
        Quote: VlK
        Should we really recruit people from high schools and offices, from gamers, so that they can fight in their free time?

        The Tu-95 attack on the airfield shows that this is exactly the way to go—having a rudimentary rear reserve of nerds—reservists who know nothing but how to fly a drone. It's an inexpensive personnel solution. You could even recruit some of the disabled.
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          24 September 2025 13: 59
          Quote: multicaat
          Quote: VlK
          Should we really recruit people from high schools and offices, from gamers, so that they can fight in their free time?

          The Tu-95 attack on the airfield shows that this is exactly the way to go—having a rudimentary rear reserve of nerds—reservists who know nothing but how to fly a drone. It's an inexpensive personnel solution. You could even recruit some of the disabled.


          Remote gamers can be useful for the rating system and virtual perks.

          Not to mention the material perks.
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            24 September 2025 14: 01
            Quote: Eng Mech
            Remote gamers may be useful for the rating system

            Don't confuse anarchy with system. Personnel management should be no worse than that of food delivery people. And why gamers?
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              24 September 2025 14: 08
              Quote: multicaat
              Quote: Eng Mech
              Remote gamers may be useful for the rating system

              Don't confuse anarchy with system. Personnel management should be no worse than that of food delivery people. And why gamers?


              Because the essence of a gamer is to sit in front of a monitor for hours.

              And the essence of a gamer in a shooter is to destroy enemies.

              The word "gamer" does not cancel out the word "selection," and whatever else you might suggest in terms of discipline and professional suitability.
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                24 September 2025 14: 12
                A word without explanation means just that. Gamers without a personnel filter and brainwashing are generally unfit for such tasks, but suddenly there are plenty of others who are suitable—disabled people, combat veterans, pensioners, orphanage graduates, etc. There's a whole army of far more suitable people on the government payroll.
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                  24 September 2025 14: 23
                  Quote: multicaat
                  A word without explanation means just that. Gamers without a personnel filter and brainwashing are generally unfit for such tasks, but suddenly there are plenty of others who are suitable—disabled people, combat veterans, pensioners, orphanage graduates, etc. There's a whole army of far more suitable people on the government payroll.


                  A gamer can be disabled, a veteran, a pensioner, or a graduate.

                  You are confusing the way you spend your leisure time with a person's physical, age, and other characteristics.

                  Or you're simply picking on words for provocative purposes. In that case, I won't hold anything against you personally; I'll try to ignore you.


                  Thank you and all the best.
  21. +2
    17 September 2025 18: 49
    If you spread tanks across the entire front line, then yes. No amount of braziers will be enough to repel all the drones, shells, and mines. The point is that there are no commanders capable of organizing a breakthrough in a specific section of the front and exploiting that success. That's why "Tsar Brazier and three motorized riflemen storm the forest clearing."
  22. +2
    19 September 2025 12: 52
    It is impossible to fully protect against them using dynamic protection, since it is physically impossible to cover 100% of the tank’s armor area with it.

    Well, I don't know about the full definition, but the latest APS variants from Korea and China are quite good at knocking out any drones and ATGMs that fly in from the sides. If there's no infantry nearby, it works.
    And not expensive.
  23. 0
    21 September 2025 20: 21
    Necessity is the mother of invention! If you want to live, you'll stretch yourself even further!
  24. +1
    23 September 2025 10: 14
    A massive anti-aircraft gun defense is needed: 5 people, 1 tank, 1 infantry fighting vehicle - all of this needs to be allocated an anti-aircraft unit + backup in case of failure of individual units, then and only then will drones lose their relevance.
    And you need to fire not regular projectiles but controlled detonations or buckshot, and preferably in bursts. And automatic target acquisition and aiming.

    Tanks still have a good future, they just need to adapt their active protection system to slow but maneuverable targets.
  25. 0
    24 September 2025 10: 04
    Excellent overview of passive protection.

    Logs, as I understand it, are a substitute for anti-splinter lining.
  26. 0
    25 September 2025 03: 28
    Amateurishness in the form of field and unofficial modifications of military equipment is far from a new phenomenon; after all, as the saying goes, if you want to live, you have to be able to spin.


    Would they have been engaged in amateurish work at the front if the Ministry of Defense had promptly addressed the problems of protecting military equipment from UAVs and had taken all possible measures for the production and priority installation of industrially manufactured protective screens, APS systems and
    Electronic warfare on military equipment in the SVO zone...