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Georgian G-5. I have already seen it somewhere

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About a year ago, a new self-developed automatic rifle under two names was introduced in Georgia: G13 (in the process of developing weapons) and G-5 (final version). This weapon was presented as a completely independent development of Georgian gunsmiths and almost became a national pride. In general, from the light hand of journalists, quite far from handguns, this machine gun was made almost the weapon of the future. Let's try to figure out what kind of beast this G-5 is, although I think those who are at least a little interested in weapons have already understood everything from the photo of this product.


First of all, we should immediately say that this weapon is actually produced on the territory of Georgia, and everything until the last screw is made by Georgians' hands, well, except for arms stores, since it is cheaper to buy them separately than to establish production. From this point of view, weapons can really be called Georgian. On the other hand, the production of this rifle is carried out under a license obtained from the company Heckler & Koch. And here in this place all doubts that the weapon may be just outwardly similar to one of the very good models of modern weapons, disappear. Indeed, G-5 and NK 416 are very close relatives, one can even say that the weapon is identical to each other, but there are some differences, we will not offend those who are in happy ignorance, let them rejoice at the genius of the Georgian arms industry.

Despite the fact that G-5 is actually a licensed copy of NK 416, one should not underestimate the fact that it is very difficult to develop weapons production, even if all the technical documentation is fully provided, so it is possible to treat this achievement differently. Personally, I would be much more pleased that a new weapon has appeared, no matter what nationality, because any sample, one way or another, pushes the development of firearms further, even if the result is unsuccessful. Here we see the production under license. To someone else, only domestic achievements are important, and because of the general political picture, the appearance of a new model in Georgia itself would clearly not be a joy to him. news, in general, not in the jungle, I got something, back to the weapon itself.

The weapon was awarded a barrel length of 370 millimeters, while the total length of the weapon is 840 millimeters with the maximum extended butt and 756 millimeters with the shifted. The weight of the machine is about 3,5 kilogram. As it is not difficult to guess, the machine gun is powered by 5,56x45 cartridges. The appearance of the weapon is somewhat different from the original HK416. First of all, the handle catches the eye with recesses under the fingers, the butt also has several cosmetic differences, but in general, the appearance of the weapon remains the same. The forend consists of four picatinny-type mounting strips assembled together for mounting additional sighting devices and other additions such as an additional holding handle, a flashlight, and so on. The open sights are folding, removable, so it’s too early to talk about how they will be, since you can put any comfortable ones on. The switch of the fuse and the translator of the fire modes are located above the pistol grip of the weapon, which has recently been considered the most convenient location for it. The machine feeds from detachable box stores with a capacity of 30 cartridges.

Automatic weapons built according to the scheme with the removal of powder gases from the barrel with a short piston stroke. The gun’s rate of fire equals 700-950 per minute. In order to compensate for the impact of recoil on the effectiveness of shooting and make the use of weapons more comfortable, the slide frame of the machine has a recoil buffer. Separately, it is noted that a silent and flameless device was developed for a weapon, however, it is not known whether it has foreign analogs either.

It is noteworthy that the weapon has already been put into service, but so far only a few have managed to “touch” it with their hands. Perhaps, delays in the supply of weapons are associated with some problems in production, and it is possible that they are accumulating a number of machine guns in order to re-equip the whole army in one day, and we can expect that from them. In any case, the production of virtually HK416 on the territory of Georgia is established and soon the weapons will appear in the military. We will live and see how well the Georgians will succeed in repeating the German quality, although if I had money for a license, I didn’t stint on the production either.
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  1. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich April 22 2013 08: 23 New
    +5
    The last two photos are not the fruit of a Georgian genius, but another fantasy on the theme of AR from LWRC
    1. scrabler
      April 22 2013 09: 15 New
      +2
      Thanks, now we will correct smile
    2. Civil
      Civil April 22 2013 11: 33 New
      +3
      Thanks to our German partners for arming an unfriendly country
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 22 2013 08: 24 New
    0
    Thanks to the author. I agree with the author, I would like to try and evaluate this “novelty.” I believe that there is no reason to expect mass production from Georgia at the moment. Besides, it’s interesting that almost everything is established in the country, except for shops. That is, the production of trunks is economically profitable, and "cheap" stores - expensive. This is probably one of the indirect indicators that the rifle will not be a mass product. And yet, where will they produce cartridges?
  3. pensioner
    pensioner April 22 2013 08: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: MRomanovich
    The last two photos are not the fruit of a Georgian genius

    Yes, the fruit of the Georgian genius has long been looking different. Well and beckons. You can already forget about Georgians as a productive nation.
  4. the47th
    the47th April 22 2013 09: 03 New
    +8
    HK416, as a product of gloomy German genius, requires a high production culture and strict adherence to all technological requirements. And if you collect anyhow, then with G5 the same thing will happen as the M16 in Vietnam. Will Georgia be able to assemble a rifle like Germany?
  5. avt
    avt April 22 2013 09: 13 New
    +3
    ,, It is noteworthy that the weapons have already been taken into service, but so far few have managed to "touch" them with their hands. "------ Well, this is understandable to anyone who knows the difference between industrial production and Discovery transmissions such as Guys with Guns."
  6. gych
    gych April 22 2013 09: 27 New
    -3
    the weapon is really excellent (although it can break it with a fool and x ... th)! one is interested in whether the Georgians can produce high-quality vintar! cartridges are not a problem in Georgia is not such a huge army and police (in comparison with Russia or Ukraine) they will learn how to rivet to extremes in Ukraine can be purchased (correlation of price and quality)
    1. papik09
      papik09 April 23 2013 03: 09 New
      +3
      A bolt to you from the Soviet regime, not bullets from Ukraine!
  7. omsbon
    omsbon April 22 2013 09: 53 New
    +9
    If the heart is made of steel, then the wooden dagger is good.
    If Georgian soldiers are bold only in front of unarmed people in Tsenhval, then what do not arm them will not be of any use.
  8. Phoenix-D
    Phoenix-D April 22 2013 10: 01 New
    +7
    It’s not a weapon that fights. People are fighting. The Georgians HAVE NO GOOD SOLDIERS, give them at least no wonder at the wunderwafel.
  9. ildar335
    ildar335 April 22 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    each Georgian soldier will be stuck with a G-5 in a point by our simple roly from the outback, as happened 08.08.08!
  10. Algor73
    Algor73 April 22 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    To develop and launch a series of weapons is very difficult. We need qualified specialists, equipment, and conditions. I doubt that something acceptable happened.
  11. Nova
    Nova April 22 2013 10: 19 New
    +4
    The gloomy Georgian genius gave rise to the product of the gloomy German genius ... some kind of santabarbara ...
    1. dimonlevichev
      dimonlevichev 6 October 2018 18: 01 New
      +1
      type 56-2 from china is also santa barbara? laughing
  12. GodSaveAmerica
    GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 10: 49 New
    -10
    Guys, Why do you think that Georgia cannot make weapons? The main thing is money and support from the state, and the talented scientist and inventors have always been. The one who does not know - The US aviation pioneer was Georgian - Alexander Kartveli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Kartveli); and you know Alexander Nadiradze and his Rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nadiradze).

    Today, more than 500 Georgian scientists work in the USA and Europe. Georgia has the potential to build modern weapons. The US will help us. with hope, the government intends to develop the war industry with the path of Israel.
    1. ildar335
      ildar335 April 22 2013 11: 42 New
      +8
      no, my friend, it was Soviet designers !!!
      America needs you as a base, and as a country you are no one without an older brother! The USSR used to be, then you caved in to Amers, but you don’t understand that Georgia is dust on the boots of American soldiers. Even not so, the dirt on the boots of Russian soldiers , because cameras will "throw" you like all "their allies." 08.08.08-it proved !!!
      psuchi Russian language if you want normal communication
      1. GodSaveAmerica
        GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 12: 02 New
        -26
        08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. The United States sent us the Sixth Fleet. Russia has stopped. We are grateful for that.

        Nobody will throw us, because the people want the West, the people want to join NATO .. ​​We are developing democracy.

        Take away Abkhazia, hell take off. But the time will come, we will return it. The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia. The USA is our strategic partner and not a big brother.
        Incidentally, the United States officially took responsibility to develop and modernize Georgian air defense.
        1. Rebus
          Rebus April 22 2013 12: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: GodSaveAmerica
          The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia.

          You made me laugh... laughing
          In general, the flag is in your hands ...
          Judging by the avatar, Georgia has already decided who to be in slavery ...
          1. GodSaveAmerica
            GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 13: 02 New
            -19
            The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner and not a slave and a colony.
            1. ildar335
              ildar335 April 22 2013 13: 10 New
              +9
              sorry for you fool. or you are about 15 years old or there on the other side of the screen sits an Amer resident who rivets, such moronic messages.
              http://vidoser.org/RW8xSHduTFdrREY=
              1. Kagor
                Kagor April 24 2013 20: 15 New
                +1
                Otherwise, they are afraid to say!
            2. Rebus
              Rebus April 22 2013 15: 24 New
              +7
              Quote: GodSaveAmerica
              The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner and not a slave and a colony.

              In American terms, partners are passive and active. Georgia now, clearly a passive partner, firmly standing on four frames ... laughing
              1. bakso
                bakso April 22 2013 15: 27 New
                +1
                You probably wanted to say yes on your lap ???
              2. GodSaveAmerica
                GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 30 New
                0
                I have always been told that Russians are cultured people. I’ll never say this in my life about Russia, because I know that many will be offended.
                1. ildar335
                  ildar335 April 22 2013 20: 07 New
                  +5
                  the guys are definitely spies !!! the Georgians would have been swearing!)))))))))))))))
                2. 4fedor1
                  4fedor1 April 23 2013 07: 54 New
                  +1
                  and YOU ARE NOT GEORGIAN silent and a snot you are a gay man. You don’t love yourself, you’re not your homeland. You are a slave in your heart!
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: GodSaveAmerica
              The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner and not a slave and a colony.

              Call at least one and say the name of the one who washed your brain so successfully
            4. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr April 22 2013 19: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: GodSaveAmerica
              The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner and not a slave and a colony.

              Do you even know that Georgia was the only republic in the USSR that did not pay taxes to the union, but it constantly received subsidies from the union? Yes, and supply at that time, can not be compared with Russia: while living in Sochi, we went to Georgia for clothes, for refrigerators, for washing machines. And this despite the fact that everything that was bought there in Georgia was not produced, but imported from the union.
              In general, a parasitic republic. And thank God that you have rolled away from us. Still would have taken their parasites that settled in Russia, it would be very good.
              1. bakso
                bakso April 22 2013 19: 34 New
                -2
                Something these words are familiar to me, but I remembered, an article about the St. George Treatise, dear, you at least change the words, or the sentence in some places, but it is somehow strange, like literate words, it also inspires trust, and you are not at all a distant person, to say the least. )))
            5. OTTO
              OTTO April 23 2013 00: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: GodSaveAmerica
              The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner

              Equality of partnership is determined by the degree of anti-Russian policy of the government of a small country.
        2. bunta
          bunta April 22 2013 12: 36 New
          +9
          Well, you are already slaves of NATO. Cannon fodder. And you have never been slaves of Russia. They were brothers. And now they betrayed.
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 22 2013 13: 01 New
          13
          Katso, teach history. If your brains with propaganda are not completely blurred, gossip with them, ask your grandfathers and grandmothers, old neighbors, just acquaintances, study jokes of the Soviet period about Georgians (an indirect source of information). If you know Russian well (judging by the spelling at the seller’s level with carnations), you will understand that Georgians had one of the best social conditions in the USSR. Soso Dzhugashvili, too, did not seem to be an Australian, and Beria, his fellow countryman. So about the "slaves of Russia" you got excited in a Caucasian way, to say the least. And as for the people who "want the West," you ask the people - who wants whom and what. And what your people want the West is for sure: the West wants the Georgian (and everyone else) guys to die for it in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and fly home in zinc coffins.
          1. GodSaveAmerica
            GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 13: 39 New
            -16
            Maybe the Georgians lived well in the USSR, but we paid a lot for that. Georgians have done a lot of good for the Evil Empire. So we are not indebted to the USSR or Russia.

            I am grateful that Russia saved us from the Turks (although it destroyed the kingdom), but for 200 years, we also did something for Russia. We want freedom, and Russia still thinks that Georgia is its territory.

            I agree, my Russian is not beautiful, but in Georgia, in Europe, or in America, I do not need Russian at all. But in Russia, in Armenia or in Tajikistan, I have no business.
            1. bunta
              bunta April 22 2013 13: 47 New
              +8
              That's just for Russia does not need to say what she thinks about Georgia. You really want to think so in order to justify your betrayal. Russia has nothing but contempt for Georgia for this. There will be no forgiveness for the vilely murdered Russian peacekeepers.
              1. GodSaveAmerica
                GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 13: 59 New
                -11
                Quote: bunta
                There will be no forgiveness for the vilely murdered Russian peacekeepers.


                This is a lie and Putin propaganda. Actually, first Georgian human rights activists were killed.
                1. Canep
                  Canep April 22 2013 14: 28 New
                  +8
                  As for the meanly murdered: - Shelling at the location of the peacekeeping unit which, apart from small arms, doesn’t have anything from tanks and Gradov, is a mean murder.
                  As for the slavery of Georgia as part of the USSR: - Stalin, aka Joseph Dzhugashvili, Lavrentiy Beria, Eduard Shevarnadze - Georgians who were at one time the highest leadership of the USSR.
                  As for the partnership between Georgia and the United States, Osama bin-Ladan was also a friend of the United States. The Americans of their partner Georgia simply flushed into the toilet without any help. And if they had, then the Georgians would not feel any better. In a nuclear war, there will be winners.
                  And on my own, why don’t you take the Tangerines and Barjomi to your friends and partners.
                  1. GodSaveAmerica
                    GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 14: 43 New
                    -11
                    Russia is already in the WTO and there are obligations to open the market for Georgia. Let the Georgians sell mandarin (this is a business, people are approaching, what's wrong with that?)
                    1. Rider
                      Rider April 22 2013 14: 56 New
                      +5
                      Russia is already in the WTO and there are obligations to open the market for Georgia.


                      uh nooo dear tovarisch!

                      You are there with America. EQUAL PARTNERS.

                      here and direct "gratitude from the Georgian people"

                      and to the evil empire, not even a foot is enough, the fact that you are sent from Russia money transfers in the amount of a quarter of your GDP.
                    2. Canep
                      Canep April 22 2013 14: 58 New
                      +3
                      Sell ​​Russian tangerines for the proceeds; buy weapons to fight with Russia. I don’t have anything against my Georgians, my husband’s husband is Georgian, and my nephew is Georgian, and even my great-grandmother was Georgian, although I myself am Russian, but your Saakashvili is a little sick, a normal person cannot want a war between the USA and Russia , after this war Borjomi will not be tasty, there will be radiation.
                      1. GodSaveAmerica
                        GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 06 New
                        +6
                        Saakashvili is deeply ill.
                      2. Canep
                        Canep April 22 2013 15: 20 New
                        0
                        Well, I’m talking about the same thing, if you want to be friends with the Americans - please, but not against Russia. And as for Abkhazia and South Ossetia, if Saakashvili, at the direction of the United States, did not get into the tanks with them, then in time they would become full-fledged republics within Georgia, and now this is not possible.
                      3. Kagor
                        Kagor April 24 2013 21: 04 New
                        0
                        But why confirm the obvious.
                    3. bakso
                      bakso April 22 2013 19: 28 New
                      -1
                      In this, probably everyone here will agree ...)))
                      Yes gentlemen ...?)))
                    4. OTTO
                      OTTO April 23 2013 00: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: GodSaveAmerica
                      Saakashvili is deeply ill.
                      Themselves chose
                    5. bakso
                      bakso April 23 2013 10: 38 New
                      0
                      Yes, GDP is not better ...
              2. bakso
                bakso April 22 2013 15: 21 New
                0
                And to hell with this Russian market, you didn’t live well without it, and now these sheep from the Georgian dream want to kiss, live, live, and do not hope that the invaders will be friends with you, they used Georgia, they use and they will use it while these sheep will be headed, that Saakashvili, that Ivanishvili !!!!
                1. GodSaveAmerica
                  GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 41 New
                  +1
                  absolutely agree!
              3. Armata
                Armata April 22 2013 16: 36 New
                +3
                And where did Georgian human rights activists come from in Abkhazia? There, they cannot tolerate either Georgians or mattresses.
              4. Armata
                Armata April 22 2013 19: 20 New
                0
                Quote: GodSaveAmerica
                Russia is already in the WTO and there are obligations to open the market for Georgia. Let the Georgians sell mandarin (this is a business, people are approaching, what's wrong with that?)
                Who said? We have an SES for this. And fuck your import legally.
                1. bakso
                  bakso April 22 2013 19: 35 New
                  -1
                  It's low, a low blow !!!! We will complain to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, Onishchenko for soap !!!)))))))
                2. Armata
                  Armata April 22 2013 20: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Bakso
                  It's low, a low blow !!!! We will complain to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, Onishchenko for soap !!!))))))
                  For what? The man is literate and does everything right. And nefig strain us all sorts of Poles and Georgians with second-rate goods.
                3. bakso
                  bakso April 22 2013 20: 34 New
                  +1
                  Come on, Kuban wines, Moldavian, Armenian, and other wines, they are purely first grade and highest, yes ????))))))
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 24 New
        0
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        This is a lie and Putin propaganda. Actually, first Georgian human rights activists were killed.

        A video is not an argument for you, or I need to poke at the very thing
    2. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 15: 08 New
      -6
      You are about what betrayal ????
      The Georgians were not the first to open fire on the peacekeepers, they generally ordered them to get around their base, but when they shoot at you and adjust the artillery fire at you, will you stand idly by ????
      And in most Russians are very good with Georgians, and on the contrary, at least everyone who comes from Georgia was beaten all happy ...
  13. avt
    avt April 22 2013 14: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    We want freedom, and Russia still thinks that Georgia is its territory.

    request Yes to health, they wanted and received, and complete from Russia. Empire ,, Evil "has gathered a country for you within the borders of the USSR. But why did you decide that eccentrics will keep and increase it for Russia? laughing And at the expense of the language I will say this, learn Turkish, it will come in handy.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 23 2013 11: 04 New
      +2
      learn Turkish, come in handy

      And you are a joker, however laughing subtly noticed good
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus April 29 2013 15: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: avt
      And at the expense of the language I will say this, learn Turkish, it will come in handy.


      And they (Georgians yes!), Armenians and others forgot who owe their humpbacked noses and dark skin! Who paid tribute to virgins and boys (because there was nothing to take from them), how their kings lived in stone huts on clay .... forgot! Well, remember again!
  14. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    , and Russia still thinks that Georgia is its territory.

    Yes, we do not give a damn about your territory. There is nothing but constant revolutions. A share of power and problems.
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 18: 23 New
      -7
      Then leave alone ...
      1. avt
        avt April 22 2013 21: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Bakso
        Then leave alone ...

        Well, they left you, no one was planning to storm Tbilisi, fear has big eyes, and here’s the client’s tie. Well, Abkhazia was brought into Georgia as well as what questions request Thank you, tell the GDP that you didn’t enter Georgia into the borders before the St. George’s Treaty, now let the Yankees keep Georgia for you, though something tells me-they will not expand it and rest against you. And we remember the Heroes who gave their lives for the Empire, from Bagration to Apakidze and to the hundreds of thousands of people who fell for the USSR, the monument on Poklonnaya is also worth it and we are not going to blow it up.
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 21: 37 New
          0
          Here is the true face of the Russian patriot !!!!!
          1. Rider
            Rider April 22 2013 21: 49 New
            +4
            Here is the true face of the Russian patriot!


            and there is.

            he is telling the truth.
            1. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 22: 08 New
              0
              And what do you live in Kazakhstan, go to Russia, build your pseudo-patriotism here ...
            2. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 22: 24 New
              +2
              and that you live in Russia, go to your historical Motherland and reap its well-being.

              that there’s nothing to say, start throwing stupid things?
            3. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 22: 37 New
              -4
              You have already been given a comment about spelling, the word "STUPID" is written through o and with a soft sign at the end, "stupidity."
              You too have good dreams, patriot ...)))
            4. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 22: 42 New
              +2
              switched to spelling errors?

              nothing more to complain about?
            5. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 22: 54 New
              -1
              Yes, you are too convincing ...))))hi
            6. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 23: 14 New
              0
              Yes it is for me.
        2. Curculum
          Curculum April 23 2013 08: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Bakso
          You've already been spelled out

          Didn’t you? Strange, then I ask:
          Quote: Bakso
          only there there is nothing good
          hi
        3. bakso
          bakso April 23 2013 10: 39 New
          -1
          Russian is not my native language.
  • Kagor
    Kagor April 24 2013 20: 59 New
    0
    Where are you hundreds of thousands of Georgians who fell for the USSR counted?
    1. bakso
      bakso April 24 2013 21: 45 New
      0
      There are different data on the number of Georgians who died in the Second World War, according to some sources, about 80 and others about 000, while there were more than 300 participants, with a population of Georgia 000 million (for 700 years.)
      I have fought 8 grandfathers, 4 returned from the war, and then 1 disabled person ...
  • Kagor
    Kagor April 24 2013 20: 52 New
    0
    Yes, to hell with whom In Russia, your Georgia is needed, now not every teenager can show where she is.
  • Kalita
    Kalita April 22 2013 21: 00 New
    +2
    "I am grateful that Russia saved us from the Turks" - well, remember that at least.
    Just do not forget something else - the Russians defended you from the Turks WITH ARMS IN HANDS, and you were equated with the rights of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians, and your aristocracy moved to Petersburg equal in rights with the Russian aristocracy, and as your current "friends" protected? Words left in the sky
    did it help you?
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 21: 04 New
      -1
      Again 25 ...
  • OTTO
    OTTO April 23 2013 00: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    I am grateful that Russia saved us from the Turks (although it destroyed the kingdom),
    Actually, there was no kingdom of the Georgian kingdom. And no matter how cynical this sounds like survival, the Georgian people paid for independence. Georgia received freedom from Russia, but what about those who want freedom from Georgia?
    1. bakso
      bakso April 23 2013 10: 47 New
      -1
      There are cities and regions with the majority of non-Russian population, that now let them ask for branches (for example, the city of Armavir, or the black coast, there are also many Armenians), that they also have the right to independence ???
      And on the account of the kingdom or kingdom, you are right, in Georgia there was a kingdom which was abolished by Russia and the king was exiled to Russia ...
  • Abwehr
    Abwehr April 23 2013 03: 45 New
    +1
    Georgia needs to sit quietly and develop and not think that the empire of lies will help it with something.
    1. bakso
      bakso April 23 2013 10: 47 New
      0
      To sit in an ambush ???)))
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 14: 08 New
    -9
    ask your grandfathers and grandmothers, old neighbors, just acquaintances, study jokes of the Soviet period about Georgians (an indirect source of information).


    And what did they say that now they are writing a story about jokes ????
    I heard a lot of jokes about Russians, only there is nothing good there, only vodka and that's all ...
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 14: 18 New
    -7
    At the expense of the well-being of Georgians in the USSR, during the times of Stalin and Beria, I answer for those gifted with the history of the USSR !!!!!
    L.P. Beria began his activities (repressions) with Georgia, Stalin did not regret his son what kind of complacency towards the Georgians can be talked about ????
    The era of Beria and Stalin lasted a maximum of 20 years, this is the maximum, and the USSR lived for 70 years, now the question is, you probably studied mathematics in addition to nonsense at school, I hope my opponent will be nice or able to take 70 20 and how much life will be there like Christ's bosom ??? !!!!!!!!!!!
    Before you write a very colonel, think, count, you may not know history, but 70-20 is a program of the 3rd grade of a school ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 22 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
      Yes to us that from repressions in Georgia? Some Georgians were repressed and no one else?
      PS And what does it mean Stalin did not spare his son? What was he supposed to do?
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 15: 11 New
        -2
        They offered to exchange for a captured German general ...
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 22 2013 15: 14 New
          +5
          This is known. Would change and ....? And how was the rest to be, whom to exchange their husbands, sons, daughters for? This is a war, not a store.
          1. bakso
            bakso April 22 2013 15: 24 New
            +2
            Here I am also talking about this, for Stalin there was no difference that Georgian, Russian or Uzbek ...
            1. Kagor
              Kagor April 24 2013 21: 17 New
              +1
              Only Georgians did not pay taxes.
              1. bakso
                bakso April 24 2013 21: 46 New
                -1
                ))) you yourself are not funny ???)))
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 23 2013 11: 08 New
      0
      And it’s neither that Joseph Vissarionovich is Georgian by nationality, although there is an opinion that the Ossetians, and Beria, to put it mildly, are not Russian.
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 22 2013 13: 08 New
    +6
    The Sixth Fleet stopped Russia? Ha ha ha
    If there was a team, then Gruzia would stand in her favorite pose and shouted "Wai good!" The army completed the task, to expel Georgian “warriors” from Ossetia and Abkhazia and force them to put up.
    And how many "non-slaves of Russia" are being fed, and there are no signs that they want to return to their homeland.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. The United States sent us the Sixth Fleet.

    Ha ha ha ha ha lol
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    Take away Abkhazia, hell take off. But the time will come, we will return it

    You will sweat to pick up !!!
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    . The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia.

    Yes, you have become the USA Six laughing
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    Incidentally, the United States officially took responsibility to develop and modernize Georgian air defense.

    Bankrupt is your USA !!!
  • Containers
    Containers April 22 2013 20: 49 New
    0
    So thick that even thin.
  • biglow
    biglow April 22 2013 20: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    Take away Abkhazia, hell take off. But the time will come, we will return it.

    if the Georgians try to return Akhazia, the Russian governor-general will appear in Tiflis and in Turkey your government is in exile
  • Aleks28
    Aleks28 April 22 2013 23: 31 New
    0
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia

    But then until the end of the century you will suck striped bamboo.
    1. bakso
      bakso April 23 2013 11: 08 New
      -5
      You take care of your little sucker, and the Georgians will somehow figure it out without you ...))
  • Kagor
    Kagor April 24 2013 20: 12 New
    0
    Queen Tamara turned upside down!
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 13: 37 New
    -9
    Well, the races are so "friend", those Georgians were beaten by Soviet designers, then tell me the purely Russian developments with which the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are armed ???
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus April 29 2013 15: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Bakso
      Then tell me the purely Russian developments which the RF Armed Forces are armed with ???

      Shipunov, Gryazev, Kalashnikov, Tupolev, Lozino-Lozinsky, Vladimirov, Degtyarev, Sudaev, Korobov, Stechkin ....... and hundreds more!
  • avt
    avt April 22 2013 14: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    US aviation pioneer was Georgian - Alexander Kartveli

    There was such a former tsarist officer. The truth worked with Seversky, the same Russian officer, an emigrant. It was Seversky who organized the company that produced the most massive fighter, the Thunderbolt. By the way, the company was taken from him for close cooperation with the USSR and it became a Republic.
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    Georgia has the potential to build modern weapons.

    There was such a potential, in the USSR the Su-25 aircraft factory produced. I am silent about the quality laughing , here it is better to read the memoirs of Samoilovich - the creator of the Su-25.
    1. GodSaveAmerica
      GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 14: 18 New
      -11
      Wait and see.

      I am glad if the quality was low, it would have a bad effect on the USSR. Sturmaviks are still the same past as all Russian aviation.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon April 22 2013 15: 29 New
        +1
        Early rejoice Kakashvili!
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        Sturmaviks are still the same past as all Russian aviation.

        You would ask your owners why, with a great desire, they do not risk carrying their bullshit to Russia.
        1. GodSaveAmerica
          GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 37 New
          -7
          With 400 slows down the pack .. And the people do not want democracy. They think that dictatorship is more suitable. Honestly, I'm betting on China.
        2. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 15: 46 New
          -9
          Why do you need Western democracy, soon the teachings of Confucius will replace the Russian constitution ...
          1. avt
            avt April 22 2013 21: 26 New
            +5
            Quote: Bakso
            Why do you need Western democracy, soon the teachings of Confucius will replace the Russian constitution ...

            And that’s right! To hell with us, European democracy with new pederastical trends. This is for a specific contingent.
          2. sedoj
            sedoj April 22 2013 21: 30 New
            +4
            SW Bakso, while reading your comments, I never cease to be surprised - you love Georgia so much and you are also throwing mud on Russia. At the same time, you are on the territory of such a country you hate as Russia. Rude is not necessary. If your homeland is so sweet, go ahead with the song. Flag in your hands and nehren trample the Russian land.
            1. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 21: 45 New
              -4
              Why did you get the idea that I hate Russia Uv. sedoj ????
    2. Kagor
      Kagor April 24 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      There were planes that couldn't even take off after the factory!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The main thing is money and support from the state, and the talented scientist and inventors have always been.

    The main word WAS! Now everyone knows Georgia by thieves in law and dancing.
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    Today, more than 500 Georgian scientists work in the USA and Europe.

    How many scientists work in Georgia? In a word, there’s nothing to talk about!
  • Kurkin
    Kurkin April 23 2013 10: 36 New
    +1
    What a naive Georgian "Gogi"! You cannot produce anything else except wine! To assemble at least approximately as the Germans need developed precision engineering. And now the question. Tell me, "Gogi", at least one engineering plant in Georgia? My verdict is this. The Georgians will buy the disassembled 416 rifle from the Germans for the grandmothers of the USA, collect it at home and call it G5 / That’s all the fucking penny.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus April 29 2013 15: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Kurkin
      You cannot produce anything else except wine!


      Well, PatchEmu, listen to DARAGOY. We, isho mandaryn-apElsYn, speculated on it. Wai! Why are you so shitty ?! laughing
  • Kagor
    Kagor April 24 2013 20: 09 New
    +1
    This friendship is together against Russia. They assembled a Su-25 in Georgia, the pilots were afraid to fly on them, and one from the plant in general could not fly. Although a couple of scammers at the gates of the plant would be shot and the process would go.
  • bazilio
    bazilio April 22 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    I agree with the author, to start production of a machine under license, if there was no such thing before, this is a good step for the industry. Engineers will study the design, experiment, so you look and your ideas will appear. The main thing is that this and other trunks were an instrument only of defense, and not aggression
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      In the history of Georgia, there are only 2 cases of war outside the borders of Georgia, the 1st crusade led by king David agmashenebeli and the 2nd, he pacified the Derbent khan when the Laks took out eastern Georgia with raids (in memory of that campaign, the Tsar ordered to remove the gate from Derbent and brought to Georgia, it is kept in Georgia), more Georgians did not participate in conquest wars ...
      1. bazilio
        bazilio April 22 2013 13: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Bakso
        In the history of Georgia there are only 2 cases of war outside the borders of Georgia,

        This is all good, but I'm talking about something else, so that aggression would not happen in the future.
      2. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx April 22 2013 13: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Bakso
        1 Crusade led by King David Agmashenebeli

        David the builder on the Crusades did not go
        Quote: Bakso
        more Georgians did not participate in conquering wars ...

        there was only once, and that was under the rule of Tamari and David Soslan!

        it would have been looking for the 18 century when Vakhtang VI and Peter I coalitions wanted to attack Iran and seize the capital, well then you know what happened
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 22 2013 15: 12 New
        0
        But in Iraq and Afghanistan in the 21 century?
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 22 2013 16: 14 New
          0
          Quote: fzr1000
          But in Iraq and Afghanistan in the 21 century?

          What is Iraq and Afghanistan?
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 April 22 2013 16: 32 New
            +2
            Didn’t yours fight with NATO there?
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx April 22 2013 16: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              Didn’t yours fight with NATO there?

              This is completely different!
              in open and in the most important battles, our did not participate, patrol and all! Well, there were also Kosovo (we did not declare them independent) and the goal was not to take Afghanistan and Iraq
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 22 2013 21: 53 New
                0
                Okay. I agree, but Georgia was interested in political dividends.
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 22 2013 21: 53 New
                0
                Okay. I agree, but Georgia was interested in political dividends.
      4. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 23 2013 11: 15 New
        0
        1st Crusade led by King David

        Do you know that the first crusade was peaceful? and was committed by pilgrims? And only starting from the second campaign they began to make wars.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr April 22 2013 19: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: bazilio
      I agree with the author - start production of a machine under license, if there wasn’t any such thing before, this is a good step

      In the Caucasus they knew how to make wine, they knew how to trade citrus fruits, they produced various fruit drinks. They were able to.
      But under the technique their hands are not sharpened. You can recall the "Colchis", Yerevan "Iraza", Armenian incandescent bulbs, etc. The cheapest Chinese goods in comparison with the products of the Caucasian republics can be considered an example of quality.
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 19: 44 New
        -2
        In this I agree with you, at the expense of Colchis and YerAZ, at the expense of wine, too.
        There are suggestions, Georgia ceases to produce these machines and Russia starts to release products from Georgia, gives Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and we live in friendship and harmony, and let all Georgians from Russia be deported to Georgia and they will take the Armenians back to Russia, who are their comrades? ????)))
  • do not burn bonfires
    do not burn bonfires April 22 2013 11: 58 New
    +1
    They need to make wooden rifles, so that the next time (God forbid) they drop them, it would be faster to destroy. (Joke)
    And to be honest, it’s not a bad move. In conditions of blockade or protracted conflict, own production is better than supplies of allies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPYzkb9oxH4
  • pensioner
    pensioner April 22 2013 12: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The United States officially took responsibility to develop and modernize Georgia’s air defense.

    They will save you, morons, all illiquid assets and earn on this. But don’t show me everything. With a smart face, you will be sitting at the controls of what will be of value at the boomerang level in combat conditions. And develop democracy, develop ...
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 13: 50 New
      0
      How do you Armenians with Akhaltsikhe and Akhalkalaki stole the withdrawn equipment ???))))
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 13: 30 New
    -2
    The author of the article is again disingenuous (as always, everything related to Georgia), Georgians do not say that the G-5 is originally Georgian development, it was said from the very beginning of the demonstration of the rifle that when creating the G5, the M-4 and NK416 were taken as the basis. The fact that some idiots write in the Georgian press can’t be taken for officialdom.
    PS
    Everyone understands that Russia's weapons are the "best", but certainly so many scientists are working for the defense ... Just do not forget the history of the creation of the "Russian" miracle of weapons ... Where do we start:
    Tsarist Russia - Maxim and Lewis machine guns, Mosin-Nagan rifle (probably purely Russian rifle)), Nagan revolver, cartridges 7.62 * 53 created by Colonel Rogovtsev on the model of the new 8-mm Austrian M1888 and the pistol cartridge 7,62 × 25 mm TT is a copy 7,63 × 25 mm Mauser, even when creating the famous cartridge 7,63 * 39 7,92 × 33 mm (intermediate cartridge with MP44). The current generation of cartridges is the remainder of the luxury of the USSR.
    Navy.
    At the expense of shipbuilding you should remind who taught Peter and the Russians this craft, I think it’s not worth it ...
    Air Force
    Of course, Ilya Muromets at that time was partly a masterpiece of world aviation, but that’s all, in the following years the USSR always played the role of catching up in this industry, even the first jet fighter had a BMW engine, a trophy German, later bought a license from Rolls-rois, England, you will argue from words I will pass to weighty arguments ...
    Tanks.
    The 1st tank in Great Russia, Renault, during the USSR, MS-1, a copy of Renault. The legend of the 2nd World War, T-34, based on the Christie’s tank, bought in the USA.
    Rocket science.
    Fau 2 and other German developments.
    And at the end, the legendary AK-47 of Mikhail Kalashnikov, for some reason after that I didn’t have the mind to create something like the AK-47, because it was based on the German MP-44 assault rifle, the world's first compact machine gun on intermediate cartridges !!!
    And in the end, the invincible Russian army, there is no shame in the history of the nation, no loss in the war, that Russia, Georgia, all, even invincible Afghans, Mujahideen, lost to the Taliban, and shameful times were beaten in the Russian army, for example, 1905 Russo-Japanese War , the Soviet-Finnish war (the victory of the USSR is comparable to defeat), and if someone is engaged in self-hypnosis on the victory of 08/08/08, I feel sorry for you, but the Russian Armed Forces have achieved some operational success, but at the cost of what and what kind of human casualties, it’s very a dubious victory, but the war is not over yet, the Georgians lost only a battle, not a war ...
    So dear Cyril and all your great-power retinue, before blaming others, please be kind enough to read your story, not only that which corresponds to your truth, VANITY makes people blind ...
    I ask you not to erase this letter ...
    1. bazilio
      bazilio April 22 2013 13: 44 New
      +4
      Dear Bakso

      Your indignation is understandable. I have repeatedly noticed that in the comments there is a solid offtopic and holivar. The last example is an article about the Izhmashevsky bullpup. The article about the bullpup line-up, and in the comments as usual the Americans, the Jews, the Jews, who spied on someone, mentioned tanks and planes. Vobschem "trunks" are measured. Now you also throw minuses for the fact that the comment is not pro-Russian.
      Quote: Bakso
      So dear Cyril

      And here you are in vain, Cyril stipulated that the G-5 from the media was declared as an independent development.
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 14: 02 New
        -6
        Dear Basilio ...
        Well, on Russian television, they also showed how Russian ships fired the Georgian fleet with anti-aircraft missiles in the Black Sea, and also showed a dramatization with minutes and seconds, after which even the hero of Russia was handed over to the captain of a missile boat for this battle that did not happen, some insanity (Kadirov is also a hero Russia was given, this icon became wretched).
        It’s just that sarcasm on his part is somehow not appropriate, let them criticize and clever, for example, the Russian Air Force by 2015 should receive a 5th generation fighter (which I doubt very much) and in the USA by 2016 should take into service 6th generation fighter, is this not a reason for criticism or sarcasm, always to be content with intelligence from behind a hill, everyone stole, and the atom bomb too ...
        1. Heccrbq
          Heccrbq April 22 2013 16: 27 New
          +1
          And in Merik now there is a non-falling plane of the 5th generation? laughing
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 22 2013 16: 35 New
          +1
          The United States decided not to adopt the 6th generation fighter, but immediately move on to the 10th. Didn't you hear?
          1. bakso
            bakso April 22 2013 19: 24 New
            0
            Probably from Russia, drawings from a flying saucer were stolen, oh and the Yankees, oh and the crooks ...)))
            Yes, Comrade Senior Lieutenant ???))))
    2. scrabler
      April 22 2013 13: 47 New
      +2
      smile Well, yes, there are enemies around) Please note that there is nothing negative about G-5 in the article, no matter how I treat Georgia, the USA, Fascist Germany, after all, the weapon for me does not have nationality.
      Quote: Bakso
      write and in the Georgian press

      Um ... I'm sorry, but isn't the media responsible for the information? That is, in the media they write that G-5 is a national pride and la la poplar, but everyone understands that all this is not so? Perhaps someone understands this, but there are few of them, the rest think that all that is written is true.
      Quote: Bakso
      kindly read your story

      I now wonder, judging by the flag history we have a common, but some different what

      And by the way, we have comrades wink
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 15: 02 New
        0
        I repeat, the media are different, instead of retyping their words, you’ll turn to a more reliable source, but on the sarcasm account, I’m asking if my words hurt your journalistic pride or something else, for more than a year now I’ve been trying to convey to the local audience , some facts that contradict what is written here ...
        1. scrabler
          April 22 2013 15: 06 New
          +2
          Despite the fact that G-5 is actually a licensed copy of NK 416, one should not underestimate the fact that it is very difficult to expand the production of weapons, even if all the technical documentation is fully provided.

          Well, tell me where I have distorted reality or offended someone? smile Self-esteem is not infringed, but I will not give offense to the domestic handgun wink
          1. bakso
            bakso April 22 2013 15: 14 New
            0
            Okay, don’t give ...)))) Maybe I also went too far, after these Comments, it's a shame yes, I feel sorry for the bird ...)))
    3. Timeout
      Timeout April 22 2013 14: 03 New
      +1
      For Bakso
      Young man, have you been copied as a neighbor, or are you just a victim of Wikipedia? Look for the breakaway diagrams of all this machinery and find 10 differences, for example the Mosin and Nagan rifles or the authentic Maxim and his Russian-made namesake. About shame, it is a shame not of the army, but of a command that is stupidly mired in its mouse fuss! Do not shit on those who God forbid will protect you and your family. The first Liberasts are likened to every Vlasov like them!
      1. scrabler
        April 22 2013 14: 18 New
        +5
        It is useless to prove something, has already tried and repeatedly, that about the wall of peas. AK they have German, TT they have a Belgian ...
      2. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 14: 54 New
        0
        For timeout
        Thank you for the compliment, not the fact that you are older. Why would you explain that the three-ruler is not only the child of Mosin, you probably still say that Nagan did not take any part ????
        About the shame of the Georgian army, in general the shame that the war began between Russia and Georgia, someone wrote about the coffins with Georgian soldiers from Afghanistan, but for some reason no one speaks about the exact number of dead Russian children in 08-08-08, according to some more than 1000.
        About the shame on 08-08-08, not you, not me, we still don’t know the whole history of this conflict, so no hasty conclusions.
        I am not a liberal, not a democrat and not a nationalist, I love both Georgia and Russia, I do not mind, the Georgian is the boss at home, the Russians are at home, the rest should visit, only do not linger for a long time.
        I won’t argue about the history of armaments, not because the arguments are over, I just don’t consider it necessary for you to prove what contradicts your concept of love for Russia ...
        Sincerely, Bakso.
        1. Rider
          Rider April 22 2013 16: 18 New
          +2
          according to some reports there are more than 1000.


          and according to some reports, the losses of the Georgian Armed Forces amounted to 15 million people, so the Americans sailed, took 000 cargo and drowned in the Black Sea.
          how to hide such a mass burial.

          Do not carry snowstorm.
    4. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 22 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      What a mess in my head! FAA 2 is for your current owners. This is their gesheft. The rest is too lazy to comment, full of studies and refutations on this topic.
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 15: 25 New
        0
        Well, yes, you are right as always ...)))
    5. Rider
      Rider April 22 2013 15: 25 New
      +3
      Well, porridge in your head.

      about all these borrowings.

      name the gun companies that themselves from scratch all come up with.
      no such, because borrowing was ALWAYS. and to blab about Mosin slamming at the Nagan, (by the way, and at the Manlicher too) it is to say that all tanks borrowed the Mark 1 scheme.

      pinned on ships
      it turns out that the Rusichi took Constantinople on rafts, and sailed on the northern seas in boats of their walrus skins.

      they didn’t like the tank they saw the T 34.
      You look where Christie and where 34ka.
      say more that this is the laying of the Lena of the named Marks
      and that there are caterpillars, a dvigun is also available, well, and armor is available.
      URGENTLY PAY FOR THE ENGLISH LICENSE.

      about STG 44 aka SturmGewehr 44 (and not MP 44 at all) and AK 47. so much has been said. that the cartoon about "copying" may be rubbed by the current teenager who has seen the discovery.

      on airplanes and would have been completely silent since
      IN THIS AREA, ALL WILL BORROW FROM ALL.


      but about what at what price did the Russians drive the Georgians, well, enlighten us about the GIANT LOSSES of the RF Armed Forces.

      In that war, the only bright spot (for you) was a few downed Russian planes.
      shot down by UKRAINIAN Beech with UKRAINIAN crews.
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 15: 41 New
        -9
        Can a person’s death strike a bright spot ???? I see so for you ...
        And what hurt you so much about this technique, it really burns your eyes, but of course you are patriots, a class of society who only remember their homeland in the kitchen behind a booze, or when you can destroy small people with impunity, don’t boil, don’t, you want the truth, listen to the participants, people who checked all the dead on the list, er, wise guy, the Russians drove the Georgians, you forgot to add Chechens, well done, 150 people drove 000))))) Cool warriors !!!!! The first time Russia lost a strategic bomber, a couple of planes were shot down, well, they also killed unarmed peacekeepers, be afraid of God, it’s not the same as there. Yes, and still kiss the hands of these morons in the government and in the State Duma !!!!!
        Stop whining, go write your homeland, while it’s still worth it, until it’s completely on ... if others head ...
        1. Rider
          Rider April 22 2013 15: 57 New
          +2
          uh wise guy


          which eyes can burn really?
          is that almost all weapon technology is borrowed from each other?

          that you carried nonsense meaningless?

          that a small but proud Georgia armed with steep tsatskas, and trained by the coolest specialists.
          I could not resist NOT 14 RUSSIA, as you want to set, but only PARTS of the 000th army.

          and about Chechnya
          if you have not noticed Chechnya is a subject of the Russian Federation.
          and South Ossetia and Abkhazia - is not part of Georgia.
          Here is such a MAE LITTLE difference.

          and about the value of human life
          and what were you thinking about when you proclaimed the slogan "Georgia for Georgians?"
          or did you start the Clean Field operation?
          say thank you that Russia does not need another subsidized region. (enough of their own)
          1. GodSaveAmerica
            GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 16: 03 New
            -3
            "Georgia for Georgians"

            for 20 years no one has said such a slogan in Georgia, so be quiet!
            1. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 16: 10 New
              +1
              so be quiet!


              like you are a FLASHBALL, AND MY LADIES SHOULD?

              look after the tongue "dear".

              speak, do not speak, but act.
              1. GodSaveAmerica
                GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 16: 15 New
                0
                I hate thieves mentality and vocabulary. This past.
              2. GodSaveAmerica
                GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 16: 30 New
                0
                like you are a FLASHBALL, AND MY LADIES SHOULD?
                didn't understand what you want to say winked
                1. Rider
                  Rider April 22 2013 16: 50 New
                  +2
                  just what you decide to command your

                  so be quiet!


                  hold your Caucasian temperament.
                  1. GodSaveAmerica
                    GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 16: 56 New
                    -2
                    Yes, I'm not Caucasian. I am European. I control my temperament.
                    1. Armata
                      Armata April 22 2013 19: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: GodSaveAmerica
                      Yes, I'm not Caucasian. I am European. I control my temperament.
                      Well then to deny their own. Or so stupidly troll climbed here? Well, no matter how surprised, under the flag of the mattress pad
                2. Armata
                  Armata April 22 2013 19: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: GodSaveAmerica
                  didn't understand what you want to say



                  well yes? Thieves in law are exactly half of Georgians.
                  1. bakso
                    bakso April 22 2013 19: 59 New
                    0
                    You’re wrong, dear, not half, more than that, so trifling, and moreover, now you’ll see what kind of authoritative Georgian you are in Russia (for example, wrestler Mamiashvili or Anton Sikharulidze or Leps), but it’s better not to find which one thief in law, immediately come up and tell him everything in the face, you can also give a slap in the face, do not be shy, it is possible that he might be offended, but there’s nothing, it’s time from Internet to translate these communications !!!! Good luck, my young locksmith !!!!!
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx April 22 2013 16: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Rider
            and what were you thinking about when you proclaimed the slogan "Georgia for Georgians?"

            laughing
            Quote: Rider
            or did you start the Clean Field operation?

            not a long time about the name of the operation

            G-13 theme
            1. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 16: 52 New
              0
              G-13 theme


              Well, and discuss on health.
          3. bakso
            bakso April 22 2013 19: 03 New
            -2
            You should not show your upbringing and family culture in public, I have no doubt your parents wanted the best, but it turned out as always, you and I didn’t turn to you, if you don’t have enough upbringing and wisdom to listen to the opposite opinion from yours, then you need a psychologist or to a psychiatrist, resolving this issue is not my specialty.
            I am very sorry that you, Griboedov, Lermontov of the same nationality ...
            He sees his truth everywhere and in everything, not allowing a different opinion here is your weakness, and you think this is for strength and devotion.
            Such big words, “Georgia for Georgians”, or “Clean Field”, you know what is strange, the concept of “clean field” does not translate into Georgian, it is probably comparable to the concept of “wet water”, in a different way, probably this fable also such clever men wrote like you ...
            Take care of yourself, your family and your homeland, you forget, a person is killed by an enemy not because of hatred for him, but because of great love for what he wants to destroy, Georgians are not your enemies, leave them alone and do not climb with your dirty feet you don’t have enough problems for them, or you don’t have enough territory, maybe they should blow up the Czechs as well, destroy them and take them hostage, no, they’re not you, they’re not capable of it, not because there’s not enough spirit, no, the Georgians are peaceful people like to visit and receive them. Live quietly and calmly, you’ll figure it out, such a country is huge and rich and you live like homeless people, who eats all this wealth here, they put parasites on their necks. throw you the stub from a feast and you are satisfied, Bilan won the Eurovision Song Contest, 2014 Olympics, a joy for the people, do you even know how much money it all costs, how much poor, homeless and sick could be helped with this money, not b .. Georgian Jews and the United States is to blame for everything, your stupidity, patience, vanity and constant desire for slaves walks to blame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            PS
            At the expense of my words about the peacefulness of the Georgians, some probably have a malicious smile on their faces, like: Didn’t these Georgians bomb Tskhinvali, didn’t these Georgians shoot hail at the peacekeepers of Ross, once again I repeat, THIS IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND I am not I will.
            As your worthy ancestors said, I have the honor ...
            1. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 19: 08 New
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              how many words.

              poor thing.

              sorry.
              1. bakso
                bakso April 22 2013 19: 36 New
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                Are you your one, please introduce yourself, accidentally not mishandled by Kazakhchek ????)))
                1. Rider
                  Rider April 22 2013 20: 06 New
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                  not accidentally mishandled Kazakhchek ????)))


                  and still demand that you be treated respectfully?

                  and peaceful people with weapons do not go to visit.

                  remember this when you again want to restore "Great Georgia"
                  1. bakso
                    bakso April 22 2013 20: 15 New
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                    I didn’t insult, I didn’t offend anyone, I didn’t want to imagine who you are in the nation, I really doubt that Kazakh
                    Again, you use some kind of stupid words, you probably confuse the Georgians with the Armenians, it’s their mania of great Armenia, and what have the Georgians and great Georgia ????
                    1. Rider
                      Rider April 22 2013 20: 39 New
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                      Quote: Bakso
                      I doubt that Kazakh ...


                      and rightly so, I'm Russian.

                      but what have the Georgians and great Georgia ????


                      so it’s not great anymore, but it’s wonderful.
                      all the more so then there is nothing to visit the Ossetians and Abkhazians with arms.
                      1. bakso
                        bakso April 22 2013 20: 59 New
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                        Russian Abkhazians are already depriving land and all property in Abkhazia, this is the beginning ...
                        Yes, the times beat when Georgia was beating great, but unlike Russia, it did not wage war of conquest !!!
                        ))) Everything has its time...)))
                        I wonder who the next one wants to take the land from, not by chance from Kazakhstan ????
                      2. Rider
                        Rider April 22 2013 21: 36 New
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                        Taaks Tuvarisch Georgians,
                        right now I will start to engage in your historical education.

                        Armenian-Georgian war of 1918
                        Sochi conflict 1918-20
                        Uprising in South Ossetia 1918-20

                        as we see, “peaceful Georgia” managed to get into a fight with almost all of its neighbors.
                        and if the first one can somehow be called "defensive." what the Georgians did near Sochi, they cannot explain clearly.
                      3. bakso
                        bakso April 22 2013 21: 57 New
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                        Maybe you shouldn’t educate me, I don’t go into your story, so you know the history of Georgia less than me, respectively, each has its own truth ...)))
                        It was not by chance that Georgians came to Sochi in the city of Sochi, at that time Sochi and the Imereti Valley were part of Georgia, only after the communists came to power, Ordzhonikidze was not loved by everyone in Georgia, and due to gratitude to the RSFSR, he transferred these lands, which I should write to you. ..?
                      4. Rider
                        Rider April 22 2013 22: 23 New
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                        with what fright Sochi was Georgian?
                        in order for Sochi to be “yours” and Abkhazia should be “yours”
                        and who has attached Abkhazia to you?
                        Before the creation of the Ruzin Democratic Republic, Georgia, like the entire Caucasus, AND ALL THE REST OF RUSSIA, was divided into GOVERNMENTS.
                        So from what Budun Sochi was Georgian?
                        the percentage of Georgians in Sochi and the surrounding area is 3,2%.
                      5. bakso
                        bakso April 22 2013 22: 41 New
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                        Yes, you don’t get nervous so dear, you don’t have to slobber over the monitor because of some Georgians, and here, calm down, pull yourself together, take a deep breath, now write, otherwise you’ve slapped the whole clave ...)))
                      6. Rider
                        Rider April 22 2013 23: 17 New
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                        and I wish you relaxation.
                        otherwise you are stuck in your alternative reality. with absolutely peace-loving and fluffy Georgia.
  • Heccrbq
    Heccrbq April 22 2013 16: 25 New
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    Basically, the comment is based on --- I heard a jingle, but does not know where it is, the most offensive about the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, rummage through historical documents, Japan requested a truce 4! times at the “losing” Russia, read more, get a little less expensive dear Georgian friend and you will be happy!
  • Sochi
    Sochi April 22 2013 16: 32 New
    +1
    Mdya, you would only see the negative and inflate ... Have you seen Christie's tank? Hardly ... The BT tank was created on the basis of the ball, designer Bolkhovitin, A T-s4, in general, a completely different machine, except for the suspension. The basis of AK ... The Germans have a bias shutter, AK rotary - and this is a completely different scheme. Well, the rest of the positions are about the same. And the fact that not everything is always in chocolode ... then, yes, there was everything in history ...
  • Ingvald_Bueny
    Ingvald_Bueny April 22 2013 19: 30 New
    +1
    Uv.ne, you are a specialist in the field of military equipment.
    Quote: Bakso
    Mosin-Nagan rifle (probably purely Russian rifle))

    In the “7,62 mm BM Sample 1891” as in the “Nagan rifle”, such elements as the shape of the “reflector” and the design “store” were used, since S. I. Mosin used these two elements in his rifle, some Western "experts" call this Mosin-Nagan rifle, it is worth noting that in the "7,62 mm BM Sample 1910" the store is structurally different from the "Nagan" rifle.

    Quote: Bakso
    7,63 * 39 7,92 × 33 mm (intermediate cartridge with MP44)

    I don’t know what kind of ammunition you described, but the intermediate cartridge 7,62x39 appeared back in 1943, at the same time the SKS-43, RPD-44, and Sudaev rifle arr. 1944 were created for it.

    Quote: Bakso
    The legend of the 2nd World War, T-34, based on Christie’s tank, bought in the USA.

    The T-34-76 / 85 from the "Christie's tank" has only a roller suspension design, apparently you mixed up the T-34/76/85 with the BT-5/7. By the way, the British cruising tanks Krusader, Cromwell, and Comet were created on the basis of the Christie’s tank.

    Quote: Bakso
    Fau 2 and other German developments.

    And that the USA had FAU-2 and Count Werner von Braun earlier than the USSR, while the USSR only got missile elements. Moreover, if you mean the analogue of the FAU-2 ballistic missile R-11 S.P. Queen, then this is exactly an analog, but not a borrowing design.

    Quote: Bakso
    And at the end, the legendary AK-47 of Mikhail Kalashnikov, for some reason after that I didn’t have the mind to create something like the AK-47, because it was based on the German MP-44 assault rifle, the world's first compact machine gun on intermediate cartridges !!!

    After the AK-47 was created AK, AKM, RPK, AK-74, AK-74M, AK-100, AK-107, and much more.
    In addition, the Stg-47 was not taken as the basis for the AK-44, it is a structurally different weapon, but they are united by the fact that the “automation scheme” of these two small arms was first used in Simonov’s self-loading rifle, from where it switched to SVT, and subsequently appeared in the AK-47 and the German "stormtrooper-44." You should also know that according to the German classification, the AK-47 is a “carbine rifle”, the MP-44 is a “stumgever”.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus April 29 2013 15: 42 New
    +1
    The first machine was created in 1916 by the Russian gunsmith and officer Fedorov) under the patron 6,5 Arisaka)
    Quote: Bakso
    1st tank in Great Russia, Renault

    Tanks - the first created and used by England - all the rest (and Russia, too, along with Germany, France and others, also began to apply).
    And by the way about the T-34 "based on Christie) - the idea of ​​suspension was taken and no more!

    Quote: Bakso
    Fau 2 and other German developments

    Well, yes ... and your masters are the Americans ... weren’t they Werner Von Braun who had landed himself?
    And ... by the way, the first Systems of Volley Rective Fire is our development))

    Quote: Bakso
    Yves at the end, the legendary AK-47 by Mikhail Kalashnikov, for some reason after that I didn’t have the mind to create something like AK-47, because the German assault rifle MP-44 was taken as the basis


    Learn the mate part "sir"! The device has nothing to do! And the cartridge 7,62x39 (intermediate) was developed back in 1943!

    The same Germans did not bring the self-loading rifles to the indicators of the same Sveta (SVT-40)

    And by the way .... if "You" are not up to date, for example, your beloved ones still cannot create analogues of our ekranoplanes!
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 22 2013 13: 33 New
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    Interestingly, it will be as modular as the NK416 ???
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx April 22 2013 13: 44 New
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      Quote: PSih2097
      Interestingly, it will be as modular as the NK416 ???

      maybe life
      http://geo-army.ge/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=735:-qq-&catid=4
      6: 2 & lang = ru & Itemid =
    2. Timeout
      Timeout April 22 2013 14: 06 New
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      Take a look at the receiver, it is one-piece, it is a descendant of Arok. So the barrel is screwed tightly and its replacement can be done with a vise and a key.
  • Timeout
    Timeout April 22 2013 14: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: scrabler
    smile Well, yes, there are enemies around) Please note that there is nothing negative about G-5 in the article, no matter how I treat Georgia, the USA, Fascist Germany, after all, the weapon for me does not have nationality.
    Quote: Bakso
    write and in the Georgian press

    Um ... I'm sorry, but isn't the media responsible for the information? That is, in the media they write that G-5 is a national pride and la la poplar, but everyone understands that all this is not so? Perhaps someone understands this, but there are few of them, the rest think that all that is written is true.
    Quote: Bakso
    kindly read your story

    I now wonder, judging by the flag history we have a common, but some different what

    And by the way, we have comrades wink

    Cyril, this is another liberal troll. With this it is not very smart! I didn’t even bother to read the VO from the first pages ... Even our Israeli respondents did not reach this point. Deny the obvious, especially about cartridges and AK.
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich April 22 2013 14: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The USA has a different philosophy - in small countries he sees an equal partner and not a slave and a colony.

    They trained, equipped, taught the word "democracy" and set on a neighbor - is this a partnership? Just tell me how the Americans really helped you - they said that you are partners, and what kind of partners did not specify? By the way, in secret - Americans love to "partnership" from behind. So, if your government thinks to continue to be friends with the Americans, they should stock up on petroleum jelly that would not hurt so much.

    Quote: Bakso
    Everyone understands that Russia's weapons are the "best", but certainly so many scientists work for the defense ... Just do not forget the history of the creation of the "Russian" miracle of weapons ... Where do we start: ............ ......

    even your beloved Americans understand that our weapons have always been better, since they themselves can’t create such a miracle, as you put it, they cannot. Regarding the above arguments, what are they done. Everything when and where it starts, nobody starts from a clean slate, someone gets better, someone gets worse. So why if we, as you say, ourselves can’t do anything, we do better than the “ingenious” Germans, the British and the same Americans? And finally, how did it happen that the creation of the "most ingenious" German designer is an outright poop compared to the brainchild of an uneducated sergeant?
    1. GodSaveAmerica
      GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 04 New
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      "Just tell me how the Americans really helped you."


      1) The development of democracy and civil society;
      2) Institutional reforms;
      3) Protected from Russian occupants in August;
      4) multi-billion grant;
      5) 3 thousand Georgians studied in the USA;
      6) Military assistance - modernizes air defense;
      7) Supports territorial integrity.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 22 2013 15: 23 New
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        Well, with God .... Only Georgians in your paradise from Russia take away, otherwise they are in no hurry to participate in the "development of democracy and civil society."
      2. Rebus
        Rebus April 22 2013 15: 35 New
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        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        1) The development of democracy and civil society;

        And how, has your society developed, or not yet?
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        2) Institutional reforms;

        Has your institute been reformed? I wonder which one?
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        3) Protected from Russian occupants in August;

        And why the word August with a capital letter? Well, did they protect you?
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        4) multi-billion grant;

        Free cheese can only be in a mousetrap. Nobody ever gives money just like that, especially the USA ...
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 15: 51 New
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          You are wrong in the fight against corruption, the order in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the possibility of seeing a business, human rights.
          It’s strange for you, but before the ice in Georgia they didn’t take bribes, the police officers always beat us more politely and tidy, because they put things in order in Georgia, not one republic from the former could not, do not be so blind, open your eyes ...
          1. Rebus
            Rebus April 22 2013 16: 18 New
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            Quote: Bakso
            You are wrong in the fight against corruption, the order in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the possibility of seeing a business, human rights.

            And where did I talk about corruption?
            Building Democracy in Georgia

            Building Democracy in Georgia

            I asked about building a rule of law ...
            1. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 19: 14 New
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              Strange as it may seem, a rubber truncheon is an instrument of democracy, only the photo is not appropriate, there are a bunch of idiots against a bunch of other idiots, and it all beat as planned, there are enough idiots everywhere, that Saakashvili, this is your protege Ivanishvili, they are both sheep, only Saakashvili at least has something to brag about, but Ivanishvili came to break everything that was built. Better face in the asphalt than in a cemetery like Listyev or Politkovskaya, or in prison like Khadarkovsky.
      3. Rider
        Rider April 22 2013 16: 14 New
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        I just pinned

        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        3) Protected from Russian occupants in August;
        4) multi-billion grant;


        defended with what?
        brought diapers?

        and multibillion grants, probably you are talking about loans that you need to give, but nothing?

        somehow you quickly forgot about the subsidies invested in Georgia, within the framework of the USSR.
        however, now they do not teach you this.
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 36 New
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        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        1) The development of democracy and civil society;

        Yeah, that's why prisoners were beaten in your prison laughing
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        2) Institutional reforms;

        What kind laughing
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        3) Protected from Russian occupants in August;

        Yes, they protected that we stopped 15 kilometers from Tbilisi wassat
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        4) multi-billion grant;

        Yeah, they drove Georgia into debt - kiss America wink
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        5) 3 thousand Georgians studied in the USA;

        And they became morons.
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        6) Military assistance - modernizes air defense;

        As they didn’t help you, you still went awry, in two days.
        Quote: GodSaveAmerica
        7) Supports territorial integrity.

        It’s you about South Ossetia and Abkhazia, good help, you’ve been halfway through the country thanks to the USA tongue
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 19: 18 New
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          You are blind, you have no time to see and understand this ...))) Laugh, laugh, only the proverb is not invented by us, they beat you and us "the last laughs" a lot smarter. I feel sorry for you.
        2. Raphael_83
          Raphael_83 April 22 2013 19: 30 New
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          Alexander (excuse me, I don’t know how “according to the priest”)! Of course, I understand that you were in a hurry, typing the answers to your opponent, but there is still a bit too much of an eyelid. Do not let the trolls have a petty reason to cling to our Soviet education with you - this is usually an argument when the facts ended hi
  • GodSaveAmerica
    GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 15: 51 New
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    democracy is developed (but reform is still needed).
    August - in English with a capital letter is written, a mechanical error.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 16: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: GodSaveAmerica
      August - in English with a capital letter is written,

      Mishiko Saakashvilli, it’s not you who visited Sait for an hour. haven't you got it yet? As you were a loser, that’s how you stayed
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 22 2013 17: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The US will help us. with hope, the government intends to develop the military industry with the path of Israel

    how once helped you in 2008 huh?
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 April 22 2013 17: 05 New
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    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. The United States sent us the Sixth Fleet. Russia has stopped. We are grateful for that.

    Nobody will throw us, because the people want the West, the people want to join NATO .. ​​We are developing democracy.

    Take away Abkhazia, hell take off. But the time will come, we will return it. The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia. The USA is our strategic partner and not a big brother.
    Incidentally, the United States officially took responsibility to develop and modernize Georgian air defense.

    And this is not the vaunted fleet that could not break through to Syria?
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN April 22 2013 17: 13 New
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    I really hope that they will not shoot at such weapons from Sukhum :))
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 22 2013 17: 56 New
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    I'm more interested in something else. The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan is constantly studying what Russians, Ukrainians, Azerbaijanis, Belarusians and others have in the field of weapons. Maybe there is a reason to study the Georgian assault rifle, so that, if appropriate, do something similar for the Kazakh army (under caliber 5,45)?
    1. Rider
      Rider April 22 2013 18: 29 New
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      what for ?

      so that later suffer with delays?

      with our small army, we are 74, behind the eyes.
      1. bakso
        bakso April 22 2013 19: 39 New
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        However, you are an enemy of the people !!!! You yourself probably know that 74, 104, etc., etc., have long been outdated ...
        Are you against progress, or ...))
        1. Rider
          Rider April 22 2013 20: 09 New
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          are morally obsolete?

          tell it to the US Air Force that still use the B-52.

          half the world is armed with AK different models.

          and by the way, did M 4 help you a lot?
          1. bakso
            bakso April 22 2013 20: 47 New
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            I personally don’t like the M-4 bushmaster, it’s not warming, the Georgians didn’t have time to switch to this system, because most of them were in the warehouses, and the valiant Russian marauding army took it from there, that’s about the B-52, there’s only a glider all remained, the rest changed and improved many times.
            Now with regards to the AK and M-ka, well, of course, the M-16 is inferior in terms of survivability, but it is an order of magnitude higher in aiming, then what are these tricky (Tricky in quotation marks, in no case will not offend) Georgians did, they took accuracy M-ks added reliability AK, and the Germans, who in turn used a lot of AK and M-ki, got such a symbiosis, AK. M-ka and NK = G-5 ...
            Half the world is fighting not because it’s good, but because value for money ...
            Are there any other questions????
            1. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 21: 08 New
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              and AK is changing, the hundredth series has gone, recently, new developments based on it have appeared.

              and according to "marauding", "brave Georgians" would not have fled and there would have been nothing to take.

              from there the Russian valiant marauding army took


              and judging by this quote (and your flag) you will see from the non-living.

              and one more
              The Georgians did, they took the accuracy. M-ki added AK reliability, and the rest of the Germans, who in turn used a lot of AK and M-ki, got such a symbiosis, AK. M-ka and NK = G-5 ...

              why did you get it dear.
              you probably haven’t read this passage:
              Despite the fact that the G-5 is actually a licensed copy of the NK416

              and where in the article is something about reliability taken from AK?
              as far as I know, in AK THE EXTENDANT CARTRIDGE IS NOT USED.
              and this is the main disease of the M-16 line.
              1. bakso
                bakso April 22 2013 21: 28 New
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                That's interesting, leaving Moscow to plunder, Kutuzov retreated, fled or something else ????
                Toilet bowl used probably also a military trophy ????
                And what do you think, why did Sarkozy vipendrivally, forcing Saakashvili to sign an agreement, he was a friend of VV and not Georgia ????
                No, I'm not one of those non-worthless ...
                Well, I think so, Cyril read a recent article in the weekly Georgian newspaper Kviris Palette, it’s written there about this machine, let’s say it’s not bad at all, Ch. Editor Irakli Aladashvili writes these articles, and read it there ...
                1. Rider
                  Rider April 22 2013 21: 47 New
                  +1
                  That's interesting, leaving Moscow to plunder, Kutuzov retreated, fled or something else ????


                  want to say that after the retreat, the Georgian army drove out the Russian!?
                  long live alternative reality!

                  Saakashvili to sign an agreement, he was a friend of VV and not Georgia ????
                  No, I'm not one of those non-worthless ...


                  Yes, I was up to the lamp that Sarkozy was showing off - the report of the European Commission recognized Georgia as an aggressor - FACT.
                  and judging by the style, you are Georgians living in Russia.

                  To the Georgian newspaper Kviris Palette, it’s just written there about this machine, let’s say it’s not bad at all, Ch. editor Irakli Aladashvili writes


                  I slowly crawl under the table, the weekly editor-in-chief understands weapons.
                  you would at least look at the photo of this superweapon.

                  THERE IS ANYTHING FROM AK.
                  and nothing is said about its super reliability.
                  and you blurted out just for the sake of YMUJA.

                  if tomorrow it is announced that Georgia is preparing a Martian expedition, will you order to believe in it?
                  1. bakso
                    bakso April 22 2013 22: 18 New
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                    The stupidity of my situation is that I am discussing this topic with you, although we write Russian but speak different languages, you consider yourself correct, I will only say one thing and probably stop bothering you here, excessive self-confidence will not lead to anything good, live and Hello, only sometimes remember your mistakes, they were enough just like everyone else, and God forbid your children to see what the children saw in Georgia, all the best, to explain to you without any help ...
                    1. Rider
                      Rider April 22 2013 22: 35 New
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                      Well, if you can’t defend your opinion, why advertise it with such an aplomb?
                      and even as indisputable true.

                      advice for the future:
                      This is a thematic site, that is, people who leave comments on it as they say - IN THE TOPIC.
                      and therefore they know what they are talking about.
                      and on most of the same professional or technical sites, people "alternatively gifted" do not stick. techies flip them out two times.

                      you would like to echo, or rambler.
                      there you were supported with pleasure in the topic "bloody aggressive Russia"
                      and most weapons there are not in the tooth with a foot.

                      wish you hello.
                      1. bakso
                        bakso April 22 2013 22: 51 New
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                        Well, the opinion can be deferred with normal adequate people who can not only listen but also admit they are wrong, you are not able to be one, you can assume that there are not enough arguments, your right, I will not persuade you. in this case, you are of course the geniuses of such sites, a techie with a deep knowledge of the history of mankind and weapons, I am proud that such talents have not been transferred to the earth.
                        you also don’t get sick ...
                      2. Rider
                        Rider April 22 2013 23: 20 New
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                        Well, why, I will gladly hear your admission of wrong.
                        you can start with AK, then smoothly switch to the white-fluffiness of Georgia, well, and then we’ll come to an agreement.
  • Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 April 22 2013 19: 40 New
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    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Maybe there is a reason to study the Georgian assault rifle, so that, if appropriate, do something similar for the Kazakh army (under caliber 5,45)?

    And why should you study the Georgian sample, which is not fundamentally, nor really even cosmetically different from the original? So that our sworn friends can enjoy doing at least small things request ?
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 20: 08 New
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      [[quote = Rafael_83] [quote = Marek Rozny] So that our sworn friends can enjoy doing at least small things request ? [/ Quote]



      Rafik, my friend, please specify what sworn friends are we talking about ???? And what is the catch phrase "sworn friend"
      1. Raphael_83
        Raphael_83 April 22 2013 20: 20 New
        +1
        Technically, the expression "sworn friend" is the direct antonym of the expression "sworn enemy" and, although it translates somewhat ridiculously: "implacable friend", means in this case all those satellites and former members of the USSR who passionately want to recoup on Russia, but at the same time require from it (they do not ask, do not offer, do not negotiate, but issue ultimatums) of counter and endless concessions, open markets, and turning a blind eye to what is happening in the adjacent territories and borders of the country.
        __________________________
        I ask you not to call me as in your appeal - this diminutive option adopted in the Caucasus annoys me.
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 20: 52 New
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          I'm sorry.
          That is, how Georgia spells each other and Russia turns out like that, we were not asked to choose our neighbors, that’s how it happened, now let's tear each other out, that’s not right, that's what I’m talking about, let them take their Abkhazia and South Ossetia, want to be friends please no so im health ...
          Do you mind ????
          1. Kir
            Kir April 22 2013 21: 40 New
            +1
            “amiable” you can only take your native, and Abkhazia and Ossetia were never the original Georgian lands, but only given for loyalty and service to the Georgian princes, so ......., by the way, to be honest, to sit down and calculate who and how much should, then I’m afraid it wouldn’t turn out that these proud horsemen didn’t have to mother Russia much !!!
  • Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 April 22 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    Kirill! With all due respect (and I rarely feel it for people smile ), the paragraph that gave rise to a similar buttheart with a “national taste” may indicate one thing - political and industrial analytics is not your hobby (it’s more diplomatic to smooth out sharp corners). On the other hand, I can be absolutely wrong, and you simply expressed your personal opinion without any “inciting” intent.
    As for launching this licensed miracle into a large series, I have doubts: due to what assets (unless of course the US and European grants do not allow this).
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 19: 53 New
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      Yes!!! Correctly!!!! Let the Georgians come and report on where the assets for such production come from, not only are the Yankees in Russia 28bn. rubles sent for all nonsense, they also donated money and technology to the Georgians, disgrace, it is urgent to redeem the shares of the "Delta" center !!!! Where is SVR, where is our super-mega Anna Chappman, where did they look and what did they do (only without intimate details) ??? !!!!!!!
      1. Raphael_83
        Raphael_83 April 22 2013 20: 03 New
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        We bought you, proud Georgians, with giblets for beautiful tsatskis and promises to fly to help if something happens (like wizards in blue helicopters, honestly). And about the fact that they pushed technology ... What, sorry? Do you know the concept (definition) of technology? The fact that someone blindly copies a product does not mean that he mastered technology, only ape.
        As for the Americans, they have never really invested in Russia; they always financed only those aspects and aspects of management / politics / enterprises / public organizations that were clearly beneficial to them.
    2. scrabler
      April 22 2013 20: 39 New
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      Good evening))) Yes, there was no intent to offend, the maximum could be offended if there were doubts that Georgia would draw weapons with high quality, but this is personal IMHO. Well, more about the fact that G-5 is considered by many to be national pride, and our media are often stupid smile And anyway, I have nothing to do with it, I tried to kindle international pride laughing No, honestly, very gently tried to express myself so as not to hurt anyone smile Allowed some liberties, however, expressed his doubts. And I think the conflict could not be avoided even if the photo of the machine and its characteristics were just hanging, on fresh tracks, so to speak. sad
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 20: 19 New
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    Okay, swami is fun but you can dumb !!!!)))
    Thank you, Cyril, a good article, like litmus paper, showed the relevance of the Georgian decision, write in a bowl, we will study the entire background of the local audience together ...
    Regards Bakso
  • Kir
    Kir April 22 2013 21: 22 New
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    Honestly, I can hardly imagine the Georgians working at the machine, people from the Caucasian peoples, and so there are not so many at work, and those who are mainly Armenians, the doctors of Georgia are, indeed, those Georgian Jews, it would be interesting to know the real staff of this miracle in the sense of nationality. Thanks to Kiril for the information !!!
    1. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 21: 42 New
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      Yeah, I am surprised by your insight ... And do you know many Georgian Jews doctors?
      1. Kir
        Kir April 22 2013 21: 44 New
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        Mingrels for your information are Orthodox Georgian Jews !!!
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 22: 19 New
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          ))) yeah, you are a miracle, rare ...)))
          1. Kir
            Kir April 22 2013 22: 43 New
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            I don’t know how about a miracle, but these things from the Mingrelians themselves have heard good in good relations with them, so continue to hang noodles illiterate !!!
            1. bakso
              bakso April 22 2013 22: 57 New
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              My friend, Zverev Sergey (not the one painted), also beat me, he also always said that he was not Russian, and he also swore them, believe me this is not a fairy tale, because of this I stopped talking to him ...
  • GodSaveAmerica
    GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 21: 39 New
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    Russians, you live in stereotypes. Our character has changed. We learned to live without help. The USSR made us lazy, but now we are a hardworking people. We realized that success depends only on us.


    Russia consists of 300 autonomous republics and regions. I love these people. They deserve to live in their own country. The time will come, they will understand it! They will begin to fight for freedom! Historical justice is inevitable! Russia is a prison of nations!
    1. Kir
      Kir April 22 2013 21: 42 New
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      You still tell a fairy tale about a single Georgian ethnic group, lie but carefully not all fools around !!!
    2. Rider
      Rider April 22 2013 21: 53 New
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      We realized that success depends only on us.


      and therefore grabbed loans?

      will give wine and soda?
      1. GodSaveAmerica
        GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 22: 02 New
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        We used it for development. It's ok
        1. Rider
          Rider April 22 2013 23: 22 New
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          and what are the successes?
          let me rejoice in the economic power of Georgia.
          1. GodSaveAmerica
            GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 23: 33 New
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            Five more years and everything will be perfect in Georgian economy, don't worry :)
            1. Rider
              Rider April 22 2013 23: 39 New
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              happy for you, but in principle the same thing could be written in Russian.

              or is it a mantra spell, and translation will not work?

              wink
              1. GodSaveAmerica
                GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 23: 52 New
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                Just tired of the Russian language, hard, completely forgot .. 7 years, did not write anything in Russian ..
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 22 2013 22: 04 New
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      Uncle-you d-u-h-h-h-hh? Freedom from whom? From themselves or aliens control them? It's not about Russia, but about people. As well as devastation, not an evil old woman, she is in the head. Until they look for the guilty around, and not at home, inside, there will be no sense. And you need to depend only on yourself. Georgia also concerns.
    4. bakso
      bakso April 22 2013 22: 06 New
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      GodSaveAmerica, dear, leave them, let them write what they want, they need to be treated, if not too late ...
      1. GodSaveAmerica
        GodSaveAmerica April 22 2013 22: 15 New
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        Honestly, I did not think that the Russians were so imperialists. I wonder why they hate America so much request
        1. bakso
          bakso April 22 2013 22: 34 New
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          My friend, this is the lot of weak people who blame others for their troubles, even if they think so, I know in this beautiful country of Russia, many people who respect America and Georgia, and let them do educational work here, what can they do, ambition only with computers, or when tanks climb from all the cracks and it gets dark from their aircraft in the sky, the flag is in your hands and not only, well, I think your children will not test these machines themselves, you don’t give a damn ...
          1. Rider
            Rider April 22 2013 22: 40 New
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            I know in this beautiful country of Russia, many people who respect America and Georgia


            Yes, we know such, we have them called "white butterflies" called.

            these are those who believe that Russian children are better off going to organs in America than being adopted in Russia.
            and yesterday they alienated like them:
            http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/180743-boston-i-gradus-neadekvatnosti.html


            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/090/kpyf327.jpg

            we call such Jews.
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt April 22 2013 23: 02 New
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          Quote: GodSaveAmerica
          I wonder why they hate America so much
          1946 - the plan "Pincher" ("Ticks"). 50 nuclear bombs for 20 cities.
          1948 - Plan "Broiler" ("Hot Day"). 34 b / w for 24 cities. 1948 - Plan "Sizzle" ("Incinerating heat"). 133 b / w in 70 cities, including 8 bombs in Moscow and 7 bombs in Leningrad. 1949 - Shakedown (Shake) plan. 220 b / w for 104 cities. 1949 - plan "Dopshot" ("The mental blow"). 300 b / w in 200 cities within a month. And all this was planned even BEFORE the USSR appeared in August 1949. Their further "peace" plans ranged from thousands (in the "USAF SAC" plan, 1956, provided for a nuclear strike on 2997 targets) to tens of thousands (in plan "SIOP-6", March 1982) goals in the USSR. ====== Only, the titanic exertion of all their forces, the Soviet people fettered their nuclear shield. And if not? What would happen to the country, and the world if the USSR had not restored nuclear parity ???
  • yanus
    yanus April 22 2013 21: 52 New
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    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    "Georgia for Georgians"

    for 20 years no one has said such a slogan in Georgia, so be quiet!

    OK. Georgia is not for Georgians. Georgia for Americans or Russians. This is how the Russian Federation and the United States decide between themselves. And all Georgian boys will automatically write the name Soso. For karma.
  • bakso
    bakso April 22 2013 22: 03 New
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    Cyril, maybe you should not allow Comments, separate from those, why people should be offended, they are so confident in their truth that partly their obstinacy turns into insanity.
    I do not deny that these same words want to tell us people with a different opinion, the truth is yours, live with her.
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 22 2013 22: 05 New
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    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    The main thing is that we will never be slaves of Russia. The USA is our strategic partner and not a big brother.

    'There is no hopeless slavery than the slavery of those
    slaves who consider themselves free from the shackles'
    Goethe's Faust
  • Sergey_K
    Sergey_K April 23 2013 00: 18 New
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    Quote: Bakso
    about the victory 08-08-08, I am sorry for you, yes the Russian Armed Forces have achieved some operational success, but at the cost of what and what kind of human casualties

    From this place in more detail. Something I did not see anywhere about data on large losses ...
    1. Rider
      Rider April 23 2013 01: 16 New
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      Quote: Sergey_K
      From this place in more detail.


      in an alternate reality, 4 kappa rex zulu (by sigma quadrant), the troops of Great Georgia, drove the invading Urusian savages to Moscow.
    2. bakso
      bakso April 23 2013 10: 58 New
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      Sergey, do you believe that Russia lost only 71 people in this war ????
      1. yanus
        yanus April 23 2013 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Bakso
        Sergey, do you believe that Russia lost only 71 people in this war ????

        If they had lost more, now such a howl would have been in the "liberal" media. But something silent. Lists of the dead, by the way, are published. No one is indignant that someone has been forgotten.
        1. bakso
          bakso April 23 2013 14: 02 New
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          Liberal media, are you joking ???
  • family
    family tree April 23 2013 01: 26 New
    +2
    Thanks to all. A very interesting discussion of the advantages and disadvantages of the Georgian G-5. "It is a pity that we did not hear the head of the transport department" (c) what laughing
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich April 23 2013 04: 13 New
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    Quote: GodSaveAmerica
    "Just tell me how the Americans really helped you."
    1) The development of democracy and civil society;
    2) Institutional reforms;
    3) Protected from Russian occupants in August;
    4) multi-billion grant;
    5) 3 thousand Georgians studied in the USA;
    6) Military assistance - modernizes air defense;
    7) Supports territorial integrity.

    you can still believe in points 4,5,6, but the rest is pure nonsense

    Quote: Bakso
    Now with regards to the AK and M-ka, well, the survivability of course M-16 is inferior, but it is an order of magnitude higher in aiming, then what these cunning Georgians did, they took accuracy, M-ks added AK reliability, and the rest of the Germans, who in turn We used a lot with AK and M-ki, so we got such a symbiosis, AK. M-ka and NK = G-5 ...

    Firstly, numerous statements about adding AK reliability to samples from the AR family are not very consistent. To add AR reliability to an AK, it needs to be redone into an AK, and by making a few changes to the design, a similar reliability cannot be achieved. This is just an advertising move, invented for the AR converted for the piston, long before the appearance of the G-5.

    Quote: Bakso
    and God forbid your children to see what the children saw in Georgia,

    But what about the children of South Ossetia ???
    1. bakso
      bakso April 23 2013 11: 02 New
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      Yes?? And since when did they start thinking about Ossetian children ??? there shouldn’t be this war, Russia could not allow this war, it was just necessary to be beaten by the independent side and then no one would have suffered, but no, but what about the approximate punishment of this not calm people, but what about the upper kodori (although this is different the end of Georgia and a distance of about 300 km), where is the Georgian government, but what about the desire to ride on a white horse as a liberator ??? Believe me, I can write a lot more ...
      Yes, you now write entire treatises on humanity and care for Ossetians ... do not tell)))
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 23 2013 11: 29 New
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    Hmm, neighing ... over the comments.
    The article is good, thanks to Cyril, always surprised his enthusiasm, writes a lot and with taste good
  • realist
    realist 16 December 2013 01: 15 New
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    Quote: Bakso
    PS
    Everyone understands that Russia's weapons are the "best", but certainly so many scientists are working for the defense ... Just do not forget the history of the creation of the "Russian" miracle of weapons ... Where do we start:
    Tsarist Russia - Maxim and Lewis machine guns, Mosin-Nagan rifle (probably purely Russian rifle)),
    ...... etc.
    I will not quote everything, I just want to add: and they also savvy a flea !!!
    PS Not everything is so unambiguous in your examples, well, let’s not go deeper. For the sake of justice, we could (although it’s unlikely) say something that was invented in Russia, the USSR.
  • piettro
    piettro 4 June 2014 01: 16 New
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    vobshem ni tak :)