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Drug dealer Gorbachev. Stavropol case and some ten high-ranking corpses

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On the activities of Gorbachev and his arrival in power writes in his article "General liquidator of the USSR M.Gorbachev"Professor, Doctor of Political Sciences Igor Nikolayevich Panarin:


"The main role in the collapse of the USSR was played by Stavropol Judas M. Gorbachev, brought to power in the USSR with the help of external forces.

Over the 6 years of his leadership of the USSR, external debt increased by 5,5 times, and the gold reserves DECREASED by 11 times.

The USSR made unilateral military-political concessions.

M.Gorbachev caused maximum damage to his homeland in stories country. There has never been such a leader in any country in the world.

Therefore, we need a Public Tribunal over Judas, to identify the reasons that contributed to his coming to power and destructive anti-state activities."


“When WE received information about the next death of the Soviet leader (it was about Yu. V. Andropov.), We thought about a possible coming to power with our help of a person, thanks to which we can realize our intentions. This was the assessment of my experts (and I always formed a very qualified group of experts on the Soviet Union and, as necessary, contributed to the additional emigration of the necessary specialists from the USSR). This man was M. Gorbachev, who was characterized by experts as a careless, suggestible and very ambitious man.
He had a good relationship with the majority of the Soviet political elite, and therefore his coming to power with our help was possible. ”
Margaret Thatcher


Drug dealer Gorbachev. Stavropol case and some ten high-ranking corpsesAn analysis of the events that took place during Gorbachev’s visit to England in December 1984 showed that they were waiting for him there. Gorbachev led an insignificant delegation of the USSR Supreme Soviet. It consisted of Evgeny Velikhov, Chairman of the Commission on Energy of the USSR Supreme Council, Leonid Zamyatin, Head of the Information Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Alexander Yakovlev, who became the Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the USSR Academy of Sciences a year earlier.

The central theme of his visit to London, Gorbachev made disarmament.

However, Gorbachev had no authority to make statements on behalf of the USSR Supreme Soviet on this matter.

Nevertheless, Gorbachev was received by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in a special suburban residence in Checkers. It was intended only for those foreign representatives “with whom the Prime Minister intended to hold a particularly important and at the same time confidential conversation”. This was written by Leonid Zamyatin in his book, Gorby and Maggie. Yakovlev, in an already quoted interview with Kommersant, explained that the success of the meeting with Thatcher was predetermined by Gorbachev’s trip to Canada in May 1983 and his meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, where he was also expected.

Being then secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Gorbachev insisted on his trip to Canada, although there was no state need. The then Secretary General Yuri Andropov was against this visit, but then he agreed. Alexander Yakovlev in those years was the USSR Ambassador to Canada.

During a meeting with the "iron lady", as they then called Margaret Thatcher, an incredible thing happened. Yakovlev, a participant in this meeting, described this episode in his memoirs “Omut of Memory”: “The talks were sounding in nature until one small meeting (I attended it) Mikhail Sergeevich pulled a General Staff card with all the vultures on the table secrecy, testifying that the card is genuine. It depicted the directions of missile strikes in the UK ... The premier was examining English cities, which were approached by arrows, but not yet missiles.

The prolonged pause was interrupted by Gorbachev: "Madam Prime Minister, we must end all of this, and as soon as possible." "Yes," replied the somewhat confused Thatcher.

Gorbachev himself does not deny this fact in his memoirs “Life and Reforms”: “I laid out before the Prime Minister of Great Britain a large map, on which in thousandths all the nuclear weapons. And each of these cells, I said, is enough to destroy all life on Earth. So, by accumulating nuclear stocks, all living things can be destroyed 1000 times! ”

Incredibly, Yakovlev and Gorbachev talk about the fact of the disclosure of top-secret information of state importance, as an ordinary thing.

The question arises: on what basis and who provided Gorbachev with top-secret materials? Why was he not afraid to bring them to London?

The very fact of Gorbachev’s negotiations with Thatcher based on the General Staff’s top-secret map seems, at first glance, incredible. First of all, because such “frankness” could cost Mikhail Sergeyevich not only places, but also “heads”. During the period when Konstantin Chernenko was the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (after the death of Andropov in February 1984), Gorbachev’s positions became quite fragile.

He only nominally performed the duties of a “second” secretary, which he received under Andropov. Moreover, under the secret instructions of the Secretary General Chernenko, the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR conducted checks on some of the “Stavropol episodes” in Gorbachev’s activities.

But the multi-pass MIKNUMX combination on coming to power in the USSR Gorbachev took only seven years and cost only a dozen high-ranking corpses. Was it worth the small things when much was at stake - the USSR (Empire), the unipolarity of the world on the one hand, and some tens of millions of dollars on the other hand for the Judas and the Stavropol bastard GORBACHEV?

Of course, this was initially a complex operation - Communication with London was carried out through the channels of his wife Raisa - Karaimki, from an ancient type of slave traders of the Khazar Kaganate. She also secured the emergency dismissal of a number of employees of the KGB of the USSR, who attempted to identify and DOCUMENT her relationship with London in due time.

Interestingly, 24 of April 2001 in the newspaper "Tomorrow" Alexander Zinoviev, expelled from Russia and lived in the West for more than twenty years, pointedly pointed to Gorbachev’s previously planned introduction to the post of head of the USSR:
"It was the arrival of Gorbachev to higher power and restructuring that served as a decisive event that plunged our country into a state of crisis and collapse. ... It was the result of outside interference. It was a grand sabotage operation from the West. Back in 1984, people who were actively working on the destruction of our country, they told me: "Wait a year, and our man will sit on the Russian throne." And then they put their man on the Russian throne. Gorbachev would never have made his way to this post without the West. "


And now M.Gorbacheva has close and friendly relations with London. And the fact that he celebrated his anniversary in London did not even cause anyone doubt where his customers are and for whom he worked and continues to work, participating in undermining Russia's national security and announcing Perestroika-2.

A concert dedicated to the 80 anniversary of the ex-president of the USSR, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mikhail Gorbachev was held in London at the Royal Albert Hall.

There was not a single Russian official in the hall. There was the Russian ambassador, but only as a silent guest - he did not utter a single congratulatory word.

There is a version that Gorbachev and his wife were recruited by the CIA back in 1966. during their trip to france. The notorious Z. Brzezinski, who occupies one of the leading posts in the USA, hinted at this. It should be noted, as I.N.Panarin points out, that Brzezinski himself was long ago introduced MI6 into the American establishment and conducted, and continues to this day, work in the interests of the City of London.

At least, Gorbachev’s anti-Soviet activities began immediately after coming to power, which indicates his preliminary "preparation."

The Gorbachevs in general traveled remarkably frequently around the world. While still the first secretary of one of Russia's largest regions, Stavropol, and a member of the CPSU Central Committee, in September 1971, the Gorbachev couple visited Italy, ostensibly at the invitation of the Italian communists. According to the results of the Gorbachevs' trip to Italy, their psychological portraits were probably composed. They were updated during Gorbachev’s trip as head of the party delegation in Belgium to the 1972 year. Probably, Mikhail Sergeyevich was not deprived of attention during trips to Germany (1975 year) and France (1976 year).

But Western experts could collect the richest harvest in September 1977 of the year during the trip of the four Gorbachevs to France. There they came to rest at the invitation of the French Communists. Then, in Western special laboratories, psychologists, psychiatrists, anthropologists, and other specialists in human souls, on the basis of this information, tried to recognize the nature of the Gorbachevs and their vulnerabilities.

Today, M. Gorbachev is not a poor man, to put it mildly, having not only fees for his memoirs in the form of bribes from owners from London, he has real estate in Europe and not only. This is a topic for another conversation.

There is an assumption that Gorbachev and London may also have a commercial interest in drug promotion. The fact is that immediately after he became General Secretary, he ruined the case on the so-called STAVROPOL DRUG TRANSFER, in which he himself was involved (the investigation team was disbanded). So Gorbachev's drug connections are quite possible, apparently.

Well, the fact that the British Empire has always been the organizer of the drug trade in the world has long been no secret to anyone. As well as the fact that there is a version that the princess Diana was killed by agents of MI-6 precisely because she was going to tell about the DRUG TRAFFIC of the BRITISH EMPIRE through 2 weeks at a press conference as the main source of income for the royal house.

It is quite possible that Gorbachev took on the hook MI6 not only using his cohesive wife, his insatiable greed, suggestibility and painful ambition, it’s not for nothing that since Gorbachev’s work in the Stavropol region there was a nickname “Bear suitcase”, but apparently MI6 was aware of drug trafficking in the Stavropol case. After all, M. Thatcher had a bulky folder with compromising material on the former Stavropol combine operator prepared for her by the USSR KGB foreign intelligence resident in London and at the same time British intelligence agent MI-6 (from 1974) Colonel Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky. It was precisely that O. Gordiyevsky, who was sentenced to be shot in the USSR, fled to London, and later Baroness Margaret Thatcher, already being former British Prime Minister, awarded him the Order of St. Michael and St. George at the London Carlton Club ...
It may very well be that Gorbachev also negotiated with M.Tetcher personally about drug trafficking and the receipt of income when they met.

Apparently, in the case of NARKOTRANSITU, Shevardnadze, who was also tied to London, was also implicated. It is noteworthy that Shevardnadze fled precisely to London after resigning from the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR.

So an interesting chain emerges: the English royal house - M. Gorbachev - E. Shevardnadze.
A bit of history on the Stavropol drug transit

The financial sins of the Soviet economic elite, whose affairs became the subject of attention of the KGB officers, became more and more obvious.
However, the “business executives” were covered by high-ranking party officials. In 1982, the “committee” took seriously the Krasnodar and Astrakhan secretaries. But few people know that the third in this list was the former secretary of the Stavropol Regional Committee of the CPSU, Mikhail Gorbachev.

Another mystery: Heydar Aliyev, who headed the Azerbaijani KGB, was supposed to know something about Gorbachev’s Stavropol past and tried to stop him.

And therefore it is not by chance that Gorbachev, almost immediately after coming to power, struck a blow at the Azerbaijani Chekist. In October 1987, Heydar Aliyev, in protest against the policy pursued by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and personally by Secretary General Mikhail Gorbachev, resigned from his posts. So what could the "competent authorities" know about the last Soviet general secretary? What is so scarecrow Mikhail Sergeyevich?

The southern direction from a certain time has become a subject of concern for the law enforcement agencies of the USSR. From the Republic of Afghanistan, where a contingent of Soviet troops performed an "international mission", along with the coffins of the dead soldiers, began to receive "hard" drugs. Analysts of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR saw particular danger in the fact that the transit and distribution of narcotic substances were “protected” by high-ranking officers of law enforcement agencies as well as individual representatives of the party apparatus.

Attempts to calculate the geography of the transit flows of the Soviet drug traffickers were undertaken by the USSR Minister of Internal Affairs Vasily Fedorchuk, his deputy on personnel, Vasily Lezhepekov, and the chairman of the KGB of the USSR Viktor Chebrikov. On the instructions of the USSR Council of Ministers, they lower the task of the chief of the psychophysiological laboratory of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, Mikhail Vinogradov, to develop a method of covertly identifying law enforcement officers who have either used drugs or have been in contact with narcotic substances.

The Republic of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan were chosen as a testing ground for practicing the method, and a special team took part in the annual routine inspection of the personnel of the internal affairs bodies. As a result, it turned out that the police officers of these republics, starting from the generals and ending with the rank and file, in 60 cases out of a hundred personally used drugs. But the most important thing for which the operation was planned and what the direct head of the research, Mikhail Vinogradov, did not know then, was the confirmation of the information that all narcotic flows from Central Asia and the Caucasus from the BEGINNING converged in the STAVROPOL REGION ..

And now it became clear why in the 1978 year, Mikhail Gorbachev was pushed from the first secretaries of the Stavropol Territory to an insignificant position as secretary of the CPSU Central Committee on "failed" agriculture.
Removed from the blow?
Or maybe, on the contrary, they substituted a “committee” under the repressive rink? After all, by that time, the security officers had let him follow the outdoor advertising.

Gorbachev was saved by a miracle. True, it can be said that the miracle was man-made. The strange, quick deaths of two general secretaries, Andropov and Chernenko, who were supposed to be cherished and cherished by the doctors of the Fourth Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Public Health, still haunt many specialists and historians. Whatever it was, but after coming to power, Mikhail Sergeyevich immediately defeated a group of experts of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs who were involved in the scandalous "Stavropol drug trafficking", sending someone to resign, who retired.

But the southern emphasis in the activities of the Secretary General only intensified. It is not by chance that Gorbachev pulled out Georgian Shevardnadze, putting him on a key area - foreign policy, having appointed Eduard Amvrosiyevich who had no relation to the diplomatic work to the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR. Shevardnadze from the rear covered Gorbachev, together they then quietly and not without benefit for themselves handed over the foreign policy positions of a great country.

They had gone too far, they could have been exposed by the secret services loyal to the oath.

A remarkable touch. Famous meeting in Malta, December 1989. Secretary-General Mikhail Gorbachev and US President George W. Bush (senior) said after the meeting that their countries are no longer adversaries.
And on the eve of the historic visit a terrible storm broke out in the sea. It seemed that nature itself is hindering something, trying to prevent some terrible tragedy. But what?

People telling people tell how, during negotiations, a crazed American journalist appeared on the deck of a Soviet ship who said to his colleagues in the cleanest Russian: "Guys, your country is over ..."

There is an assumption that as soon as Rajiv Gandhi met with Gorbachev and outlined a plan for the strategic turn of the USSR to the East and the strengthening of communication between the USSR and India, Gorbachev reported to his owners about this dangerous initiative. Its owners decided to completely destroy the Gandhi family.
Gorbachev’s appointment as General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee was in fact the first operation to implement the Soviet counter-revolution. Gorbachev was simply bought: in addition to the loans collected and stolen by his administration for 80 billion dollars, let us recall the anecdotal case when Kohl offered the USSR 160 billion marks for the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany. Gorbachev agreed to 16 billion ...
It is hard to believe that the rest of the money was not paid to him.

In addition to all this, he created an incredibly positive image in the Western media. There is also information that during the Maltese meeting, Gorbachev was given a gift of 300 million dollars, Shevardnadze - 75 million. Countless universities and foundations gave Gorbachev awards, prizes, diplomas, and honorary degrees. The more Gorbachev sold out the country, the more he was praised. Even the Nobel Prize received. For peace.

In 1990, “In recognition of the leading role in the peace process, which characterizes an important part of the international community’s life,” Mikhail Gorbachev was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Mikhail Sergeevich became the second, and today the last, representative of Russia, who was awarded this award. The first winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975 was Andrei Sakharov. It was Gorbachev who returned Academician Sakharov from a political exile.

P.S. It is noteworthy that RIA-NEWS always paid attention to Judas Gorbachev, and also wrote an article Mikhail Gorbachev - a man who changed the course of history with numerous photos ...

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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 22 2013 06: 17
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    I read the article and was surprised that it turns out that Borya has nothing to do with it, so white and fluffy. Gorbach is certainly a traitor, but Yesltsyn is even worse.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 22 2013 07: 04
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      Medvedev, as President, awarded Judah the highest order of Russia, defiling and tarnishing the Order. Anyway, Judas in memory and in History will remain the damned Judas.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 22 2013 08: 05
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        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Medvedev, as President, awarded Judah the highest order of Russia,

        Or maybe the continuity of generations?
        1. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR April 22 2013 08: 58
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          And someone doubts that the little bear is not from the same column?
          And take a closer look at who is trying to confirm the opinion that Putin and the bear are "tandem".
          1. Garrin
            Garrin April 22 2013 09: 53
            +6
            Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
            And someone doubts that the little bear is not from the same column?

            Yes there are such. And more.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 22 2013 12: 03
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              Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
              And someone doubts that the little bear is not from the same column?

              Quote: Garrin
              Yes there are such. And more.

              This is the Generation Chooses Pepsi column!
              1. Bigriver
                Bigriver April 23 2013 05: 52
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                Quote: Kaa

                This is the Generation Chooses Pepsi column!

                Sharp portrait laughing
                Deep Purple is missing from the Kremlin wall.
                And a pink fairy, instead of a magic wand, could be given a badminton racket.
            2. Heccrbq
              Heccrbq April 22 2013 17: 06
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              I am one of these, maybe I just did not delve into this topic carefully, in a personal email write sources in which there are facts to the contrary?
          2. zvereok
            zvereok April 22 2013 20: 28
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            So it seems that Putin himself was trying to assert that he and the Teddy Bear were the same as Chairman of Yer, until Yer became a curse word. And they worked together with dad Ksyusha Sobchak. Drugan Mlyn. Bad and good cops ... politician ...
        2. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. April 22 2013 09: 02
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          Quote: Egoza
          Or maybe the continuity of generations?

          I do not know. On this issue, I would dispense with the proceedings.
        3. Kaa
          Kaa April 22 2013 11: 23
          +9
          Quote: Egoza
          Or maybe the continuity of generations?
          Undoubtedly. "By the beginning of the 80s, the Soviet Union was still outwardly strong, but it was already undermined from the inside by invisible" worms "and" moles. " At one time, certain forces advanced the first secretary of the Central Committee of Belarus Pyotr Masherov, who mysteriously died in a car accident. They also talked about Peter Romanov. But he was compromised by special services. So it turned out that after Andropov and Chernenko who suspiciously quickly left Olympus, Gorbachev became Secretary General. It is widely known that at one time the KGB took seriously the secretaries of the regional committees in Krasnodar and Astrakhan. But few people know that the third on this list was the former secretary of the Stavropol Regional Committee of the CPSU Mikhail Gorbachev. Heydar Aliyev wrote about this at the time, the chairman of the KGB of Azerbaijan. Naturally, when he came to power, Mikhail Sergeyevich immediately defeated a group of experts from the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs dealing with the scandalous “Stavropol drug transit.” Gorbachev appointed Shevardnadze, Foreign Minister, who had no relation to diplomatic work. Shevardnadze from the rear, "from the south," covered Gorbachev, and then together they quietly and not without benefit to themselves surrendered the foreign policy positions of the great country. Shevardnadze was the main ideologist of the collapse of the political structures of the Warsaw Pact countries, followed by the collapse of the military structure. During the negotiations on the reunification of Germany and the withdrawal of our Western Group of Forces to the question of the German Chancellor Helmut Kohl: “How many Germans owe the USSR for the Union to withdraw its troops”, Gorbachev and Shevardnadze answered simply: “Not at all.” Shevardnadze and Gorbachev directly bargained with Kohl, under what conditions should the USSR withdraw troops from Germany. Kohl was ready to give 160 billion marks as compensation. Gorbachev took a timeout, left Shevardnadze, they conferred, returned and said: “We agree on $ 14 billion.” The trio of bandura players was supplemented by Alexander Yakovlev, the former chief ideologist of the CPSU, Suslov’s favorite, who became Gorbachev’s favorite. Former KGB chairman Vladimir Kryuchkov publicly called him an American spy. That Yakovlev was recruited by foreign intelligence back in the 1960s, two very high-ranking state security officers - Lieutenant General Yevgeny Pitovranov and KGB chairman Viktor Chebrikov, also claimed. “It’s Yakovlev,” says the very knowledgeable V.A. Kryuchkov, “who played an almost decisive role in destabilizing the situation in the Baltic states ... In the Baltic republics, he strongly encouraged nationalist, separatist sentiments and unequivocally supported the tendencies for their separation.” Today, Gorbachev confesses: “The purpose of my whole life was the destruction of communism, the unbearable dictatorship of people. I was fully supported by my wife, who realized the need for this even earlier than I did. It was to achieve this goal that I used my position in the party and the country ... I managed to find associates in the implementation of these goals. Among them, a special place is occupied by A.N. Yakovlev and E.A. Shevardnadze, whose merits in our common business are simply invaluable. (From a speech at a seminar at the American University in Turkey in 1999.) “Communism was pure propaganda. We, including myself, said then that capitalism is falling into the abyss, and everything is getting better with us. Of course, this was pure water propaganda, our country was hopelessly behind. ” (Columbia University of New York. Gorbachev paid 70 thousand dollars for the lecture). Recall that the philosopher Alexander Zinoviev spoke of Gorbachev’s “perestroika” as follows: “They aimed at communism, but ended up in Russia.” And here’s Gorbachev’s pearl, on the day of Medvedev’s inauguration (2008): “We had 10 years after the end of the Cold War to to establish a New World Order, but we still can’t. Gorbachev means 10 years after 1991.
          1. kaprall
            kaprall April 22 2013 15: 36
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            "The goal of my whole life has been the destruction of communism, an unbearable dictatorship over people. I was fully supported by my wife, who understood the need for this even before I did. It was to achieve this goal that I used my position in the party and country ..."
            He’s singing about it now ... In those days, he was nothing more than a protege of the system, and quite homogeneous .. That is, he had nowhere to jump ... not like Yelkin, a careerist from the Communist Party ...
            It’s a pity to my country that in two generations it has become, it's a shame even ..
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 22 2013 15: 49
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              Is that the truth of his word? Into the wolf, ah!
              1. skeptic
                skeptic April 22 2013 23: 30
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                Quote: Den 11
                Is that the truth of his word? Into the wolf, ah!


                I ask you not to offend the noble beast. angry
          2. aksakal
            aksakal April 22 2013 16: 30
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            Quote: Kaa
            By the beginning of the 80s, the Soviet Union came up still outwardly strong, but invisible "worms" and "moles" were already grind it from the inside.

            - alas, only outwardly. Grobachev's betrayal became possible only thanks to the betrayal of the entire Soviet elite, and the elite betrayed, alas, for a good reason - the USSR was losing because of low labor productivity (abbreviated as PT). Low PT is now the main reason that businessmen do not want to keep money in Russia and invest in Russia (Borovoy in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda). Low PT is the main reason for the import of cheap labor from Tajikistan, which leads to the irritation of the Russian population. In the USSR, this was also a big problem. The USSR tried to solve it - remember the endless reports that "that our enterprise raised the PT by 15% - this is necessary to raise the PT in the USSR as a whole by 1%"? I'm sure you remember. But the USSR could not solve this problem and therefore lost. The elites gave up and allowed Gorbachev to drain the USSR. And all because PT is not only faster to turn the nut or run to run along the corridors with papers. This is the smallest effect of all measures to increase PT. A much greater effect at the global, country level is given by measures to create conditions for business entities so that it was beneficial for them to increase the PT for the development of information infrastructure (databases, digital libraries and other things for promptly obtaining critically needed information), and at the local level , at the level of an individual enterprise - this is the optimization and parallelization of business processes, optimization and parallelization of technological processes, maximum automation and robotization of technological processes, optimization in the organizational area (elimination of unnecessary bureaucratic obstacles such as unnecessary approvals, and if they cannot be avoided, then the maximum tightening of deadlines ) and this is only a small fraction of what needs to be done to increase the PT in Russia. This is a very difficult and multifaceted, complex work and no one in Russia has seriously dealt with it yet.
            Meanwhile, it is precisely the low PT and the complete absence of "long and cheap (less than 2-3% per year)" money for business that are the main reason for the troubles of the Russian economy. We can only be surprised at the vitality, and even more, the viability of the Russian economy, which in such conditions, in the conditions of an almost complete absence of oxygen, still shows some kind of growth and climbing up the hierarchy of GDP (already the sixth in GDP, and three years ago was the ninth), in such conditions some Cypriot would give up, which we see, but the Russian is alive. What will happen if you provide her with normal conditions? Maybe these are the last reserves, the last trump cards in Putin's sleeve, designed to be taken out at the very climax of the confrontation with the West (and the climax has not yet come)? This is Russia's potential, wild in its reserve.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 22 2013 20: 59
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              Quote: aksakal
              The USSR was losing due to low labor productivity (abbreviated as PT). Low PT is now the main reason that businessmen do not want to keep money in Russia and invest in Russia (Borova in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda).
              Let me disagree with you and Borov Borov. This is another anti-communist and anti-Russian myth. "After the collapse of the USSR, many works appeared proving the low efficiency of production in the USSR, in particular, in agriculture. For example, in pig farming in the USA, feed costs amount to 3 kg per kg of growth, and in the USSR and in modern Russia up to 10 kg. But these studies are silent that these 10 kg were fed to three pigs - one state and two personal. And in reports only the state pig appeared. So it turned out that the performance is 3 times lower.
              In the industry of the USSR, the cost of two unaccounted tanks fell on one registered car, and on a pair of shoes - two automatic machines and a box cartridge.
              Now the same process of growing three pigs is happening, and only one is being counted. The profits of enterprises are derived through trade, supply and intermediary structures and debited to their costs or deposited on foreign accounts, laundered through the purchase of clubs and real estate abroad. The construction of suburban villas and the purchase of expensive yachts are also debited for the production of one unit of output. Thus, it turns out that the myth of low labor productivity actually covers the reality of low wages for workers with high incomes of company owners.
              The trend of rapid growth in the income of owners and top managers is not a Russian privilege. So according to the data of Dr. Jack Rasmus in the USA in 1965, the head of the company received an average of 26 times higher than the average employee. In 1980 - already 40 times. In 1989, he was already receiving 72 times more. In 1999, the manager’s income increased to 310 times, and today, as an example leads Towers Perrin, this excess has reached 500 times. However, in Russia this trend will be taken to extremes. It is not surprising that the property of Russian billionaires, according to media estimates, amounted to $ 297 billion, and the debts of the enterprises they manage are more than $ 500 billion. As the poet said: “Where is the money, Zin?”
              That's the whole tale of low labor productivity and high salaries in the Russian Federation. Http://www.up-pro.ru/library/production_management/productivity/skazka-o-nizk
              oj.html
        4. washi
          washi April 22 2013 14: 23
          +1
          May be. But crushed successors. Gorbachev alone in South Korea shares of 200 green. And this is just an iPhone, and fed hamburgers.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 08: 41
        -2
        They ALL and, Putin too, one field of berries, one began another continued the third finishes !! "The Holy Trinity of Judas" !!! We must change the power !!!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 22 2013 13: 02
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          Just don’t enter Putin here! This is a person who is really fighting for Russia! Such a person should be at the helm on this development path. Only with him we can be reborn! I say this from the bottom of my heart.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok April 22 2013 20: 41
            +2
            And what minus Putin is definitely better than Yeltsin or Gorbochev. Another thing is who will replace Putin. I remember when, Medvezhenka was chosen, I quarreled with the management of the office in which I worked by sending out the joke "Medvedev died of a heart attack" by internal mail. Well, I thought that people milking the state apparatus are not stupid and understood that if Medvedev died, then the second most votes would become president (Zhirinovsky). It seemed funny to me then.
        2. AlexW
          AlexW April 22 2013 22: 51
          +1
          Change? On whom? Nemtsov, Navalny, or maybe Ponamareva? The slogan "Down with!" understandable, and who to reign? If there are no concrete proposals - which party with which program, which personality in the end - then all this is just a provocation. A call to destroy the country in anarchy. Who are you clearing the path?
          1. skeptic
            skeptic April 22 2013 23: 51
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            Quote: AlexW
            Change? On whom?


            Well, Primakov, for example, a very worthy person, and Shoigu, although he does not crawl into the first roles, could be a good prime minister. The country is big - Russia could offer a lot of people smart and worthy.
        3. T-130
          T-130 April 22 2013 23: 59
          0
          We must! I agree! But who will we put instead of GDP? Heroes of "Kirovles" Navalny? Or friends of Berezovsky and Torgomadze Udaltsov with comrades?
      3. redwar6
        redwar6 April 22 2013 09: 42
        +1
        And how can one do with False Dmitriy ..
      4. Fin
        Fin April 22 2013 18: 02
        +1
        And he himself is the same. The same painful ambition, he spent 4 years as a locum tenens, talked to Western rulers and imagined himself to be a great statesman. Or maybe they did something good to him. Remember how he called his current post: "Internship Down", then he wanted to "privatize" everything that was left (now he is silent). And his irreconcilable struggle with the permissible per mille and time is a masterpiece of state activity. It would seem that everything is elementary: the time is an hour ago and 0,3 ppm, and the whole country will applaud the wise leader, but no, he's a flint, rested his horn and that's it. And you can also recall the study of the issue of turning Siberian rivers, a fine for traveling on the red 500 tr. and much more. So there is still a lot of interesting things ahead of us, if the senior comrade does not stop.
      5. lucidlook
        lucidlook April 22 2013 20: 03
        0
        Heroes of Russia Kadyrov do not bother you? Who awarded them - to remind?

        As the people say, "a hand washes a hand." They say and endure ... they will endure everything.
      6. Quiet
        Quiet April 22 2013 22: 00
        +1
        Medvedev, as President, awarded Judah the highest order of Russia

        Medvedev CAM together with Serd..yukov should sit on a stake for the company !!! I'm interested in something else. How our "vaunted" KGB, which already looked under the lid of a pot in every family, proe..was the growth of such a Judas as a hunchback ?????
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 April 22 2013 08: 47
      11
      "Two brothers acrobats" - that's who they are! Horseradish - radishes are not sweeter! That one, that the second, one started, the other finished. God forbid! To live until the trial of the traitors to the Motherland takes place. Let it be in absentia, but to take place. And the result of this trial would be the recognition of the fact that both of these figures are guilty! We are guilty of the collapse of the USSR, the disclosure of military secrets, damage to the state, estimated in trillions of dollars, the destruction of the military potential of the state, and in many more crimes, up to the genocide of our own population! And the verdict will be to brand them as a traitor to the Fatherland, to destroy everything connected with them, if Gorbachev is still alive, then shoot him in Red Square, and then scatter his and Yeltsin's ashes in the open ocean so that there is no place where they could come and bow to their fans.
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq April 22 2013 12: 30
        +8
        Quote: starshina78
        if Gorbachev is still alive, then shoot him on Red Square

        Something too honorable will be a bullet humpback ....
        Sharpen an aspen stake, grease profusely with fat, set upright, bring a humpback and put him on this stake .....
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 April 22 2013 21: 22
          0
          As an option - apply the invention of Dr. Guillotin ... In my opinion, the identity will be fine, and the head - on a count ... am
      2. Quiet
        Quiet April 22 2013 22: 04
        0
        "Two brothers acrobats" - that's who they are! Horseradish - radishes are not sweeter

        ... like "two friends met - a wolf horseradish and a steam locomotive" ???? wassat
    3. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 April 22 2013 09: 25
      10
      Inhumans and traitors, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin - both deserve public execution on red square by hanging (the second to get from the grave). And that would hang there in edification of the descendants - forever. I do not see much difference between these Judas.
      1. yak69
        yak69 April 22 2013 12: 56
        +3
        I read the comments and did not understand where all the fans of PU and iPhone went? Something is not visible to them with their angry defensive speeches! It is obvious that the course on the robbery of Russia continues with the current afterlife.
        We vitally need a process of objective, comprehensive investigation of this whole process - the destruction of the USSR. This is necessary to identify "heroes" (past and present), to reveal the methods of their "work" and to cleanse the ranks of power from all this dishonesty. Now, it's just not clear who will dare to start this process and will bring it to the end? And without this, we simply cannot move on (in the right direction).
        1. skeptic
          skeptic April 23 2013 00: 30
          +2
          Quote: yak69
          I read the comments and did not understand where all the fans of PU and iPhone went? Something is not visible to them with their angry defensive speeches! It is obvious that the course on the robbery of Russia continues with the current afterlife.
          We vitally need a process of objective, comprehensive investigation of this whole process - the destruction of the USSR. This is necessary to identify "heroes" (past and present), to reveal the methods of their "work" and to cleanse the ranks of power from all this dishonesty. Now, it's just not clear who will dare to start this process and will bring it to the end? And without this, we simply cannot move on (in the right direction).


          After the surrender of Russia by the Gorboelkins, the power does not really belong to us. Around the red-haired policemen, vigilantly inspect the movement of the country to the point of no return. A real revival of Russia is possible, but most likely only after the collapse or weakening of the "world behind the scenes", as in its time, the Tatar-Mongol yoke. And now only a timid, underground movement is possible, the accumulation of potential for the revival of Russia.

          Yes, it is difficult to say something in defense of Putin's team, especially when looking at the verbal "ala-fight" against corruption in the highest echelons of power. Violent defense of the destructor of the education system as the foundation of the country's technical future. But according to the neglected tentacles of NGOs and other fifth columns within the state, by active recruitment among the snickering bureaucrats, especially recently, there is still a feeling that they have not completely seized Russia. We may not be aware of the forms of struggle and the real (today) possibilities of Putin's leverage. But the ongoing fuss in the world, against our Motherland, can only say one thing, that the West is not yet euphoric from the seemingly accomplished victory over us.
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 23 2013 11: 37
            0
            Quote: skeptic
            We may not be aware of the forms of struggle and the real (today) possibilities of Putin’s leverage.

            I have a feeling that the PU treats Russia as "its own garden", which itself plows and sows and reaps the harvest. On the other hand, PU is strongly tied to something and does not have the ability to pursue the policy that he himself wanted.
            You can argue a lot about this, but I know one thing for sure - this state of affairs cannot last forever, he (PU) will simply be forced to "nip to some shore." And this will happen in the next year or two.
    4. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 22 2013 09: 49
      +5

      I read the article and was surprised that it turns out that Borya has nothing to do with it, so white and fluffy. Gorbach is certainly a traitor, but Yesltsyn is even worse.


      Yes, no, the hunchback is a CONSCIOUS traitor, and Yeltsin wanted the authorities like that, though he did not know what to do with it. Good deeds piled up such things ....
    5. SPBOBL
      SPBOBL April 22 2013 10: 52
      +6
      Why do not they judge a hunchback ???
    6. Day 11
      Day 11 April 22 2013 12: 30
      +3
      I don’t agree with you. Borya was not a traitor. He was just a drunken drunkard, but in principle a good person. And Gorbi is a bastard. It’s information that this rot was recruited back in the 60s (where did the KGB look?)
    7. kaprall
      kaprall April 22 2013 15: 28
      +5
      And I'm talking about the same ... EBN divided the country, the parliament shot it, drove the whole country into a wild corkscrew, so is he a hero or something? Strange article, definitely.
      1. mch1950
        mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 41
        -2
        Without Boris, Russia would not exist already.
    8. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 22 2013 16: 23
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I read the article and was surprised that it turns out that Borya has nothing to do with it, so white and fluffy. Gorbach is certainly a traitor, but Yesltsyn is even worse.



      I hate both of them because they sold and betrayed millions of Soviet people.
    9. APASUS
      APASUS April 22 2013 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Gorbach is certainly a traitor, but Yesltsyn is even worse.

      I don’t understand why this opus is written?
      There is not enough information in order to understand WHO WAS GORBACHEV ?!
    10. Zen
      Zen April 22 2013 20: 00
      +3
      I see Gorbachev spit in his face and give a kick to the ladies!
      1. mch1950
        mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 42
        +1
        Where will you see? In London, where is all the scum gathered?
      2. Quiet
        Quiet April 22 2013 22: 20
        +1
        I see Gorbachev spit in his face and give a kick to the ladies!

        Dear !!! hi Drain the Old ... Dofiga is willing to get even and personally vomit (for this case, many will succumb) to him in a mug! am
      3. Proud.
        Proud. April 23 2013 00: 08
        0
        Eh ... But one young lady, about 10 years ago, fartanulo, drove him along a labeled m ... e, a bouquet of roses.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 23 2013 00: 11
          0
          Nuka-nuka-tell me. The truth is not heard
          1. Proud.
            Proud. April 23 2013 04: 31
            0
            2000 In the Moscow concert hall “Russia”, the seamstress Nadezhda Voronova, going up to Gorbachev as if to deliver flowers, hit her with a bouquet on the head several times with force.
            Gorbachev was to be awarded the National Olympus Award in the nomination "Man-era" that day ... Mistaken in the name of the flowers.
  2. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 22 2013 06: 18
    18
    Yes, Gorbachev is a traitor, but the traitors and political bureau of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the KGB, and all the ruling elite (unforgettable where did Yeltsin and his mafia come from) the USSR.
    Why are they talking only about one traitor, and hundreds of others are silent?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 22 2013 07: 23
      19
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Why are they talking only about one traitor, and hundreds of others are silent?

      Here's another "three" black:
      1. MG42
        MG42 April 22 2013 14: 06
        11
        Here the error in the picture = along with Yeltsin and Shushkevich depicts the second Ukrainian. President Kuchma, and the first Kravchuk was necessary, it was he who signed with Yeltsin and Shushkevich in Belovezhskaya Pushcha an agreement on the collapse of the USSR and the creation of the CIS
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 22 2013 21: 09
          +3
          Quote: MG42
          but it was necessary the first Kravchuk
          Something he is in your photo is painfully imposing, straight "the father of the people from the counts." Here is his true boredom!
          1. MG42
            MG42 April 22 2013 22: 03
            +2
            Kravchuk should be the first in Ukraine to judge what contribution he made to the history of the wheelbarrow "kravchuchki" and bills of a million coupon-karbovanets, and the collapse of the USSR.
            Lives in a state dacha, honored pensioner, state. security, everything is free, huge pension and benefits, well-fed old age ...
  3. MG42
    MG42 April 22 2013 06: 20
    19
    Countless universities and foundations gave Gorbachev awards, prizes, diplomas, and honorary degrees. The more Gorbachev sold the country, the more he was praised.

    Gorbachev, a destructive personality, made a contribution to history, on the one hand, destroying the Berlin Wall, the Germans thank him naturally - he is an honorary citizen, on the other hand, he was one of the main culprits in the destruction of the great country of the USSR by an adventure called "perestroika", naturally here he is first of all thanked the USA.
    No wonder he got the nickname "Tagged Bear" - the first and last president of the USSR. Must bear the punishment he deserves while alive = fair trial is still alive.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 22 2013 12: 59
      10
      Quote: MG42
      Germans thank him naturally - an honorary citizen
      How can we not thank here, Kohl offered 160 billion for the withdrawal of the GSVG and the property, and Gorbachev and Shevardnadze were modest - “agree for 14 billion.” Well, letting in a couple more lards, they took it for themselves, but this is 10% of the proposed amount ... And 90% -PUBLIC PROPERTY, who gave them the right to squander it ?!
      1. MG42
        MG42 April 22 2013 13: 37
        +6
        Kaa, I don’t know the details at this level, but nevertheless Gorbacheff does not disdain anything >>> you know how he cut the price tag with expensive vodka in a German store in order to carry it through the cashier, the scandal was really hushed up, and his participation in advertising pizza, German railway, etc. He could easily launder this loot through his funds. Shevardnadze has been dead for a long time. The authorities should get rid of the complexes of untouchable presidents and prevent him from escaping to Germany.
        Let Putin remember the history of youth as he showed decisiveness in Germany when he was still the KGB of the USSR.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 22 2013 17: 07
          +5
          fund
          Quote: MG42
          He could easily wash this loot through his funds.

          Is it through such or what? The foundation building is located on Leningradsky Prospekt. A huge architectural multi-storey complex. Irina Virganskaya (Gorbacheva) is the vice president of the Gorbachev Foundation, with her father and father at the head. Tears come to mind as she imagines the daughter of the former USSR President with a rag and a mop in her hands wandering around the many rooms and floors of the foundation. It is not clear for what merits Mikhail Sergeyevich got this palace. Moreover, the main office of the Gorbachev Fund is located in San Francisco with his real friends. The financial sources of the Gorbachev Fund are not a simple topic. The fund’s information says that when raising funds, he “relies on his partners, including: American and German charitable organizations, individual philanthropists.” “Philanthropists” are known to Russians abroad. With their money, there are “revolutions” in the Arab world, there are opposition and human rights activists in Russia. Governments that are objectionable to the West are also being defeated with the money of "philanthropists." Huge money is spinning in the fund. The cost of maintaining large facilities in Russia and the United States, staff. During the activities of the Gorbachev Foundation, over eleven million US dollars were allocated for humanitarian programs in Russia. But this, as professionals say, is a "cover". The main activity is anti-Russian informational and ideological. In the interests of the United States, where the main office of the Gorbachev Foundation in California is located. I drew attention to a large complex. That included several restaurants, other types of entertainment and recreation. New: made of glass, concrete and marble, it stood out among small Greek restaurants. In a profitable, from a business point of view, location: the Athens Acropolis. “Everything belongs to the daughter of Mikhail Gorbachev,” Yura explained to me (that was the name of my cousin). Knowing the cost of a meter of land in the center of Athens in a tourist-saturated area, I imagined the fabulous cost of the complex. “A gift from the grateful peoples of the former Soviet Union to her father for the collapse of the country,” my relative joked. His friend worked for Gorbachev. So the Greeks call this place. How many restaurants and hotels behind the former President of the USSR and his offspring outside Russia remain a mystery. Surprising critic Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview with the Los Angeles Times of the elected President of Russia. He preserved the integrity of Russia. Unlike the former President of the USSR, whose fault did not make a great country. The world fame of Gorbachev with millions of dollars, real estate abroad and in Russia is built on the bones of hundreds of thousands of dead and destitute. Therefore, we recommend Mikhail Sergeyevich to heed the advice of Vladimir Putin: calm down and shut up.http: //mariupol-life.com.ua
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 22 2013 17: 17
            +2
            Quote: Kaa
            The foundation building is located on Leningradsky Prospekt.

            Impressive, they say, it falls under the law on NPOs ... It is interesting to ask the price, how much will they give?
          2. MG42
            MG42 April 22 2013 17: 20
            +5
            Yes, here he is this modest fund yes
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 22 2013 19: 03
              +5
              Quote: MG42
              Yes, here he is this modest fund
              Something my computer is buggy today, no way the photo catches. Here it is in a different perspective, as I understand it, during the construction. Will we buy it, or will it confiscate it? wassat
              1. MG42
                MG42 April 22 2013 19: 15
                +2
                << Answering one of the questions, Mikhail Sergeevich said that he would not mind celebrating the centenary. >>
                here by the way an interesting selection of photos
                http://www.diary.ru/~etoday/?tag=3645015
                Give the building to state ownership = make a museum like <anti
                perestroika> and an exposition of the future >>> how the USSR prospered if there was no Mishka Markedy as General Secretary fellow
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa April 22 2013 20: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: MG42
                  To give the building to state ownership
                  Under the future mausoleum, or what? Only you need to place more spittoons everywhere, otherwise the body will not last long. And the inscription - "Here lies the greatest traitor of all times and peoples"
        2. AlexW
          AlexW April 22 2013 22: 57
          0
          Shevarnadze has long been dead Did I miss a couple? Pleased fellow
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 22 2013 06: 20
    +8
    I don’t know. The article aroused conflicting feelings. Everything is at the level of rumors and assumptions ... Although, if this is true, then I will not be surprised. From M.S. -You can wait. But I do not believe in the possibility of condemning him. Power will not go to this ...
    1. Hort
      Hort April 22 2013 11: 16
      +6
      Power is just ours, Russian. Then we will quickly organize the Tribunal over the tagged and similar ones.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa April 22 2013 11: 34
      13
      Quote: svp67
      But I don’t believe in the possibility of condemning him

      KAZNZZHZN DO NOT BE AWARDED - exactly so, without punctuation marks. negative
      1. urganov
        urganov April 23 2013 02: 40
        +1
        We vote for approval of the appearance of the Gorbachev Order
  5. alexng
    alexng April 22 2013 06: 23
    16
    Judah rope and a suitable branch. He does not pull for more.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver April 22 2013 06: 42
      11
      Quote: alexneg
      Judah rope and a suitable branch. He does not pull for more.

      Deal with everyone who pushed him up and supported! Name everyone by name.
      Deal with everything that happened there.
      Gorbachev has only a visible tip, a fool for whipping, and Vice Chairman Pound.
      1. Horde
        Horde April 22 2013 07: 46
        +1
        Deal with everyone who pushed him up and supported! Name everyone by name.
        Deal with everything that happened there.
        Gorbachev, only the visible tip, a fool for whipping, vice chairman Pound


        that's all of this information is already outdated about Gorbayov, much is known, but how did it happen, who brought him to power? The names of Yakovlev, Shevarnadze, Aliyev were named, but there is no logical connection in the chain of betrayals. Jewish wives' politicians are known, for example, Marshal Zhukov, a very controversial figure, on the one hand, a hero, on the other, he didn’t save a Russian soldier, went to fame on corpses. It couldn’t be that out of the blue, there was a GORPACHEV TORCH. Rather, ALL this The communist elite was NEVER PEOPLE.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 09: 09
          +8
          Stalin began with Trotsky, but did not have time to destroy the entire Judeo-Zionist gang in the Cheka, VChK, NKVD, MGB, and in the party. the tops, he was poisoned, and Andropov, after the "smart" Khrushchev, pulled out a marked Judas, and he, under the guise of perestroika, began to slowly destroy the country. Well, EBNshka went for a walk, distributed everything, just to sit on the throne !!! And there the Jews rushed in advance, since the authorities have their own fosterlings, so we have what we have !!! Where are the "cleaners" from the FSB who will remove the IUD from power? That they don't have their own security service? I do not believe!!! It cannot be that everyone would be sold !!!!!!!!! PATRIOTS from the FSB WHERE ARE YOU !!!
          1. washi
            washi April 22 2013 14: 29
            +6
            Where the rest of the "party members" are - rowing the loot. Khrushchev forbade the authorities to keep an eye on party functionaries. How did everything end on ourselves felt
        2. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 22 2013 09: 53
          0
          Zhukov, a very controversial figure, on the one hand, a hero, on the other, absolutely did not protect the Russian soldier, walked to the glory over the corpses.


          So-so-so, can you elaborate more? Where does infa come from?
          I'm not gloating, I just want facts.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 April 22 2013 14: 39
            -1
            Read A. Bushkov --- "Stalin. The Ice Throne"
            1. dmb
              dmb April 22 2013 17: 57
              +1
              Bushkov is certainly worth reading. Unlike the author of the article, he tries to back up his conclusions with arguments. True, you should read it thoughtfully and double-check it with other sources. (He even sometimes flips himself into the same work. As for the author, being completely in agreement with him in the assessment of "dear Michal Sergeich", he cites the evidence from the category of gossip, which, in fact, makes the article not an analyst, but a retelling of these However, not only he, but also the majority of modern authors sinned with this. There is enough evidence for the betrayal of Gorbachev and his pack, as well as their successors, to the court.
          2. brelok
            brelok April 22 2013 18: 31
            +2
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Zhukov, a very controversial figure, on the one hand, a hero, on the other, absolutely did not protect the Russian soldier, walked to the glory over the corpses.


            So-so-so, can you elaborate more? Where does infa come from?
            I'm not gloating, I just want facts.

            Read any memoirs! Only soldier sergeants. About blood there is a lot written! The talent in it did not touch humanity!
        3. valokordin
          valokordin April 22 2013 10: 15
          12
          Quote: Horde
          Zhukov, a very controversial figure, on the one hand, a hero, on the other, absolutely didn’t save the Russian soldier, walked to the glory to the fame

          Bullshit, Zhukov controlled the army tightly, but not cruelly. He did not go to glory over corpses, and the Soviet, Red Army fought as best they could. Otherwise I could not. Take a look at the discipline, technical equipment and level of education of the Wehrmacht, and you will understand how powerful the Soviet people dealt with. Do not blame Zhukov.
          1. washi
            washi April 22 2013 14: 33
            -3
            Sometimes Rezun can be trusted. Moreover, he is not alone in Zhukov’s assessment. There are memories.
            Illiterate, proud bastard. Stalin brought him up, but apparently not so well. It was necessary to conduct Rokossovsky through the camps.
            1. mch1950
              mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 46
              +2
              Not Rezun give Zhukov assessment.
          2. Horde
            Horde April 22 2013 16: 45
            +6
            Bullshit, Zhukov controlled the army tightly, but not cruelly.


            remember the MONSTERING RZHEVSKAYA OPERATION Zhukov commanded our losses of up to 1.5 mil. soldiers, while the Rzhevskoy operation can still be justified as an attack on Stalingrad, then the Berlin operation head-on to well-fortified positions with a huge amount of losses cannot be called vital.
            1. mch1950
              mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 48
              0
              You confuse war with something.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 April 22 2013 21: 00
                +1
                He does not confuse anything. So it was
          3. Raven1972
            Raven1972 April 22 2013 23: 30
            +1
            Absolutely not rubbish ... Remember at least how much he put the soldiers on Zaitseva Mountain attacking half a ship !!!!! Germans ... And the assault on the forehead of the Zeelov Heights? And Rzhev, where did he just have to keep the Germans in suspense so that they could not take off troops near Stalingrad? You give more examples? My grandfather went through the whole war with Rokossovsky, he said - for a soldier at the front the worst thing was to get to Zhukov ...
        4. SCS
          SCS April 22 2013 11: 40
          +5
          Quote: Horde
          .Raisa-a Jew is so, the influence on Russian high-ranking politicians of Jewish wives is known, for example, Marshal Zhukov, a very controversial figure on the one hand, a hero, on the other he didn’t take care of a Russian soldier, went to glory over corpses. It couldn’t be out of the blue, the PUMP Gorbachev just appeared. Rather, ALL THIS COMMUNISTIC elite was NEVER PEOPLE.

          don't put Marshal of Victory Zhukov on a par with Judas Gorbachev! oh wrong you ...
          1. washi
            washi April 22 2013 14: 36
            -1
            He was appointed marshal of victory for political reasons. In fact, he is just a bad person.
          2. Horde
            Horde April 22 2013 16: 32
            +1
            don't put Marshal of Victory Zhukov on a par with Judas Gorbachev! oh wrong you ...


            to understand the psychological portrait of Zhukov, just remember who helped Khrushchev to stay in power, during a search in the Zhukov’s house, GERMAN VALUES had to be taken out by CARS — is this a lie or not? Only for this Zhukov is worthy of contempt, this was far from Stalin's modesty in everyday life.
            1. Garrin
              Garrin April 22 2013 20: 41
              0
              Quote: Horde
              Only for this, Zhukov is worthy of contempt, this was far from Stalin's modesty in everyday life.

              They were winners and had the right to trophies. Even ordinary soldiers exported three items each. The grandfather’s house still has a grandfather clock with a fight from Koenigsberg, and in the garden the BMW motorcycle skeleton rotts from there. I don’t remember the third. And we worked at the metallurgical industry on Kruppovsky equipment. I still remember the guillotine shears that cut 120 mm thick slabs.
              I minus you. What can I say if these animals did not disdain with human skin or hair, and even exported black soil. For that fought for it and ran. I do not blame Zhukov at all on this issue.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 April 22 2013 23: 46
                +1
                Did your grandfather have a general? How was he able to drag a motorcycle? If you are lying, at least try to call comfortably!
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin April 23 2013 09: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  Did your grandfather have a general? How was he able to drag a motorcycle? If you are lying, at least try to call comfortably!

                  My grandfather was an ordinary soldier, he left the whole war in a lorry, including along Ladoga. I’ll tell you more, he ended the war in Koenigsberg, after which they began to be transferred to Japan. They managed to get to Irkutsk when they finished the war there. So all these trophies rode with him in the train and he brought them home safe and sound.
                  And you would be ashamed, not knowing the person, to accuse him of lying in a rather rude manner. However, let it remain on your conscience. I won’t even minus it.
              2. Raven1972
                Raven1972 April 23 2013 09: 16
                0
                I will ask you only one question - tell me why Comrade. Zhukov 1117 bicycle pumps? And 4000 m of fabric? Is he a flea marketer?
        5. aksakal
          aksakal April 22 2013 19: 26
          +3
          Quote: Horde
          Raisa is Jewish, the influence on Russian high-ranking politicians of Jewish wives is known, for example, Marshal Zhukov, a very controversial figure, on the one hand, a hero, on the other, he didn’t protect the Russian soldier, he walked over to corpses to fame.
          - Well, you would have mentioned Academician Sakharov laughing At first, he was so Americanophobic, he invented sophisticated weapons against the Americans so much that the Soviet military themselves stopped him "like, we are military, not flayers" (this is according to Sakharov's plans for organizing a series of thermonuclear explosions off the coast of America, theoretical calculations showed that deeper than a few meters) explosions with a capacity of 50 Mt in the Atlantic Ocean could pass through the whole of America and spill out into the Pacific Ocean, only a few peaks in the Cordilleras and the Rocky Shores would have remained "unmoved" by such nuclear waves, it is clear that in this situation there is little what would remain) and as soon as he married Bonner, he suddenly turned into an ardent Americanophile, which became the reason for his exile to Nizhny Novgorod.
          And there is no need to prove how Jewish wives can influence a normal brow. God saved, there was one time, I almost married a Jewess. Now I would probably post other posts laughing laughing
          1. Horde
            Horde April 22 2013 19: 58
            +1
            Well, would you still mention Academician Sakharov First, so amerocanophobic,


            Sakharov's example proves the fact that any Jewish patriot sooner or later becomes a "common man", but the presence of a Jewish second half only catalyzes this process.

            God saved, there was one time, I almost married a Jewess. Now I would probably post other posts


            I don’t understand, you regret that you didn’t get married, or rejoice that God saved, do not be sad, but you are not called a traitor.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal April 22 2013 20: 25
              +3
              Quote: Horde
              or rejoice
              - rejoice.
              Although, when I was friends with her, I adhered to "universal human values" - freedom of the individual, no one has the right to me ..., no one has the right for me ... the less the state, the better ... And so on. laughing For a long time, I believed in America, did not like the sickly "scoop", with perestroika I hoped - "now we will live humanly like normal people, without queues and deficits" and so on. The reality, largely thanks to the amers themselves, turned out to be such that now I cannot even be tolerated towards the Western system of values.
              1. Horde
                Horde April 22 2013 20: 47
                +1
                did not like the sickly "scoop", hoped with perestroika - "now we will live humanly, like normal people, without queues and deficits" and other



                likewise, the lack of jeans and sausage didn’t really depress, but injustice when the partner’s party had a different life was certainly outraged because we lived under SOCIALISM. But I never dreamed of moving over a hill.
              2. Horde
                Horde April 23 2013 20: 35
                -2
                about Bonner-Sakharov very interesting infa.

                hagan_ahmedov
                Mar. 28th, 2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
                As PS
                I am not a connoisseur of Armenian, but they lived side by side with us, therefore, willy-nilly, but the nuances of their existence were put into memory. We often saw their quarrelsomeness and get-togethers on the streets of Baku, in particular the "Akhchi, marted pakhchi!" I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the transcription, but the essence of this, as it turned out, a very offensive phrase for an Armenian woman, translated literally as "friend, your husband ran away from you" is quite remarkable - it appeals to the professional pride of an Armenian woman who is not even capable of pleasing her husband! .. This is the subtext of this abuse. Taking into account the theory of the origin of the Armenians, which I substantiate, this phrase says a lot about the original nature of their women, whom their church urged not to disdain to put themselves under any potentially important "client" for the Armenian cause. Male nature is weak and we still have a firm opinion that, as wives, Armenian women are better than ours, and there were a great many of their mistresses - in Soviet times, all secretariats were crammed with Armenian women. Thus, under their control was all the office work and at the same time the psycho-emotional state of our managing link. The toothlessness and "indecision" of our authorities from the very beginning of the Garabakh conflict, in its huge part, is explained by this.
                However, we are not the only ones suffering - below is an excerpt about Elena Bonner-Alikhanyan, who "successfully" encroached (no matter how we feel about it!) On the CONSCIENCE of the Soviet scientific intelligentsia, Academician AD Sakharov!
                I was not in Iran, but according to some evidence, the Persians who visited the moral form, despite the external attributes of the veil, are also far from normal. And in general, as a womanizer with experience, I noticed a pattern - increased sexuality of the fair sex among young people. Passive representatives of the settled nations.
                These are the facts.

                this is not everything is a continuation
                http://hagan-ahmedov.livejournal.com/1616.html
      2. MG42
        MG42 April 22 2013 14: 34
        +7
        Quote: BigRiver
        Gorbachev has only a visible tip, a fool for whipping, and Vice Chairman Pound.

        You have to start somewhere, everything is clearly guilty. Those who pushed up many are no longer alive, proceedings for many years. It will turn into a regular historical boltology.
        Quote: Horde
        THIS entire COMMUNIST tip was NEVER PEOPLE.

        Here is a typical example of diverting topics to the side.
        1. Horde
          Horde April 22 2013 16: 53
          +4
          Here is a typical example of diverting topics to the side.


          I'm trying to understand WHERE THE TRADERS COME FROM? and where did Gorbachev come from, who brought him to power? and for myself the conclusion was already made by J&D NEVER, neither under Stalin nor even after Stalin NEVER let go the reins of government from my hands, so I just won’t go aside.
          1. MG42
            MG42 April 22 2013 17: 10
            +4
            Well, let's get to the biblical times of Judah and 33 pieces of silver. The branch about Hunchback, I’m saying something needs to start, even if the authorities condemn him publicly, not to mention a fair trial, it’s clear that the hand washes his hand (about power), but still .... and Humpbacked didn’t even repent for their crimes, therefore, a criminal who does not repent deserves punishment, and not just universal popular contempt.
            1. Horde
              Horde April 22 2013 17: 26
              +1
              Well, let's get to the biblical days of Judah and 33 pieces of silver


              are you talking nonsense, where does biblical time come in? if we talk only about Gorbachev, then the picture of the CONSPIRACY against the USSR will NEVER become clear who was still in the accomplices of the hunchback and what kind of people are they?
              1. MG42
                MG42 April 22 2013 17: 38
                +3
                Yes, this is an example of leaving the strona = nationality of Judah to recall?
                You should not grab a lot of things at once without bringing a specific one to its logical end, if the process begins on Gorby, it will pop up along the way, he will lay out everything, but what you are proposing >> is nonsense, because by this time such specialists as you will figure it out who and where he simply will not physically live up to that `` bright day '' wink
          2. mch1950
            mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 50
            0
            Father-in-law brought Hunchback to power.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 22 2013 21: 02
              0
              You can in more detail (though I didn’t know)
      3. lucidlook
        lucidlook April 22 2013 20: 12
        +3
        Quote: BigRiver
        Deal with everyone who pushed him up and supported! Name everyone by name.


        All? And those who supported even? Well, let's get started.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky April 22 2013 07: 26
      +3
      Quote: alexneg
      Jude rope and suitable branch

      Well, why, if this branch is scraped under a pencil, then very, very ....
    3. andrejwz
      andrejwz April 22 2013 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: alexneg
      Judah rope and a suitable branch. He does not pull for more.

      Dead death from an ice ax.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 22 2013 09: 59
        +4
        Quote: andrejwz
        Dead death from an ice ax.

        No really. We need a "Nuremberg trial", and with a round-the-clock online broadcast.
    4. Kaa
      Kaa April 22 2013 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: alexneg
      Jude rope and suitable branch
      Aspens ... they are such aspens ...
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 22 2013 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        Aspens ... they are such aspens ...

        Well, there are options too. He tied it by the handle-legs, tilted the trunks, and then he picked it up and let it go.
  6. Bigriver
    Bigriver April 22 2013 06: 32
    +4
    Good material on the topic: http://www.regnum.ru/news/fd-ural/1475019.html

    Valentin Falin: How and why Gorbachev forgave Yakovlev for cooperation with US intelligence agencies
    (V.M. Falin - diplomat, political and public figure, referent A. A. Gromyko and N. S. Khrushchev. Member of the CPSU (1953), member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (1989-1991, candidate in 1986-1989), MP USSR (1989-1991).
    Doctor of Historical Sciences. Laureate of the USSR State Prize (1982).
    The material is not very fresh, but it could well have been placed completely on VO.
  7. Fost325
    Fost325 April 22 2013 06: 33
    13
    Therefore, we need a Public Tribunal over Judah.

    I am for! am
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 09: 13
      +5
      Start collecting signatures on the prosecution of those labeled and others like him, and many will sign, I’m more than sure who would have provided the documents so as not to be unfounded ...
      1. peha67
        peha67 April 22 2013 09: 54
        +4
        I agree with you 100%, but how many died as a result of perestroika, how many died from the Prohibition, they will no longer be able to sign.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 11: 31
          +1
          HOW the land of such bears such ub .... s ...
  8. riding
    riding April 22 2013 06: 46
    +4
    He will not get anywhere from retaliation. Hatred and contempt of millions of people will not go in vain.
    1. mch1950
      mch1950 April 22 2013 20: 52
      0
      He is not far from the grave. That's where he gets to.
  9. Horn
    Horn April 22 2013 07: 03
    +7
    , and talk about it - dirty language! God marks the assault ...
  10. smel
    smel April 22 2013 07: 04
    +5
    Read. I remembered those yearlings of gold. There is only one word on my mind - ANATHEMA
  11. xorgi
    xorgi April 22 2013 07: 06
    0
    I will not argue with the article. But one suggestion made me very surprised:
    "Communication with London was carried out through the channels of his wife Raisa - Karaimka, from the ancient family of Slave traders of the Khazar Kaganate." those. has a communication channel existed since the time of the Khazar Kaganate?
    This is probably not the only distortion of the author.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 22 2013 08: 13
      10
      Quote: xorgi
      "Communication with London was carried out through the channels of his wife Raisa - Karaimka, from the ancient family of Slave traders of the Khazar Kaganate." those. has a communication channel existed since the time of the Khazar Kaganate?
      This is probably not the only distortion of the author.

      This is not a jerk. The author wanted to emphasize that in such childbirth, upbringing is passed from generation to generation, i.e. so as not to be surprised "where did this come from." And do not forget that the Karaites lived in the Crimea, had a huge influence there, naturally "do not like" Russians. Hence the resettlement of the Tatars to Crimea under the guise of "restoration of historical justice."
      Threat. In general, read who the Karaites are in the same wiki, oh, very interesting data.
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 09: 18
      +2
      And their Talmud is not a "channel" of communication and in the Old Testament a lot of interesting things are written about them, read ...
  12. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO April 22 2013 07: 12
    19
    It’s terrible for Gorbatom to die, he spent his life on loot, betrayed his homeland and people, received and gets his 30 pieces of silver, damned and cursed in the vast expanses of the former USSR, will die and the loot will not save.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 22 2013 07: 28
      12
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      will die and the loot will not save.

      This is a shame that he himself will die .... to help him in this matter throughout Russia.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich April 22 2013 18: 50
        +2
        Intravitally persecute him for his affairs: you need to actively boo him, toss him with tomatoes, etc. (non-violent), when he returns to Russian soil for at least a minute.
        The life-time dislike of the people is a very cruel punishment.
    2. wax
      wax April 22 2013 11: 14
      +3
      Modern Jude do not hang themselves, do not shoot and do not worry, but are proud of their actions. They apparently believe that the gospel Judas hanged himself for all of them, just as Christ went to be executed to atone for the sins of other people, even not yet born. Because of the inability to repent, all Judah must receive what they deserve in their lifetime. And after death, their names should be betrayed by contempt, as well as their pioneers of Cain, who killed Abel, Judah, who sold Christ to execution.
    3. washi
      washi April 22 2013 14: 39
      +2
      What about "damn to the seventh generation"? He has both children and grandchildren, and they live very well
  13. UFO
    UFO April 22 2013 07: 20
    +7
    Start the Court before the reptile is dead. Demonstration court, no one is forgotten and nothing is forgotten! So much fun will come out, enough for 3 life periods to sit up to the neck in a cesspool - to advertise pizza processing products.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 09: 21
      +4
      And execute like in Turkey: put in a barrel of shit and a sword-pendulum over your head with a large amplitude .....
  14. irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina April 22 2013 07: 21
    +8
    This bastard and hemp will not be enough. Roll it in pitch and feathers, and then carry it all over Mother Russia in a cart so that you can physically feel the "love" of the Russian people. And the hangers-on of the Bears will accompany him.
  15. qroz5
    qroz5 April 22 2013 07: 29
    +5
    why haven’t they condemned him yet? because the current rulers have a stigma in the cannon ......
    1. washi
      washi April 22 2013 14: 41
      +3
      It does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Moreover, under Yeltsin, there were a lot of amnesties for traitors.
  16. Strashila
    Strashila April 22 2013 08: 13
    +3
    What can I say it was a trusted friend ... his penultimate position ... responsible for agriculture.
  17. konn
    konn April 22 2013 08: 51
    +2
    at his stake, when crowded.
  18. PDM80
    PDM80 April 22 2013 09: 07
    +2
    I don’t know about drugs. But kill God, I can’t understand how to hate your people, or what you can promise the leader of the second largest and most powerful country in the world, with such wealth that he would become a Judas recourse
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 22 2013 10: 07
      +2
      Quote: PDM80
      But kill God, I can’t understand how to hate your people, or what you can promise the leader of the second largest and most powerful country in the world, with such wealth that he would become a Judas

      And who said that he loved or hated people? He loved himself! And if the stigma in the cannon with drug trafficking, then you need to promise that nothing will come up, but will be repented, then ... and this was enough to betray the country. Only personal vanity and thirst for power! Royal, moreover.
      By the way, don't you think, dear ones, that he very quickly appeared in the "area" of Berezovsky's death? Maybe he decided that it is better to live in Russia than to die in Britain? And he can also drain something, so no ships are expected.
      1. PDM80
        PDM80 April 22 2013 12: 34
        -1
        Well, compromising evidence could also be found on the Queen of England, the KGB’s capabilities allowed it, and physical elimination as an option, another accident, there’s nothing else.
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 11: 34
      +2
      He loved his wife, a night cuckoo, a daytime snack ....
  19. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 22 2013 09: 09
    +8
    And why in the country are the last leaders only pests and enemies of the people? Everything that they will not do, only to the detriment, it is a shame for the Power and for itself too. Judah is to be judged !!!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 11: 51
      +1
      Judah Andropov crawled to the top, dragged the tagged one, and in the places the liquidationists were enough for sabotage, the west fed the promises of the top and the cord of the USSR with promises !!! They spit on the referendum, they all became kings at home !!!!! So the dream of the liquidationists-collapse of the USSR was fulfilled, now RUSSIA is next in turn ... And our task is not to let it do it !!! And in general, when taking on any managerial position, check for loyalty on a lie detector !!! (and a certificate from a psychiatrist)!
    2. washi
      washi April 22 2013 14: 44
      +1
      In a democracy, talkers climb up. They speak and care only about themselves. We were lucky with the GDP. At least he's trying to do something. And in other countries of "democracies", especially in gayrope ....
  20. k220150
    k220150 April 22 2013 09: 36
    +3
    Guys - you are funny, what court, what kind of rope, an old man will die of old age - they will declare mourning, everyone will be sad. Do not believe me, remember the EBN monument, at the price of 2 lard, Gorbachev will be more luxurious, and gostraur.
    1. T-130
      T-130 April 23 2013 00: 05
      0
      Officially, mourning, and the people will celebrate!
  21. Averias
    Averias April 22 2013 10: 11
    +9
    For a long time I have been watching articles about Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other "enemies and destroyers" of our Motherland. One-sidedly like that, everything comes out. All this resembles a game of switchman. This game, especially in our country, is very popular. I already wrote about this. How simple it all comes out - Here he is GAD, it is HE who is to blame for everything, URA finally found the culprit. If only, everything was so easy. The fact that THEY (Gorbachev, Yeltsin) caused terrible damage to our country is an indisputable fact. Little BUT - did they do it alone? No, they were actively assisted (we are not discussing advisers from the USA now), they were assisted by OWN. Those who stood in the shadows and pulled the strings. Those who are still doing this. That's where you need to dig and that's where you need to look for the true ENEMIES. And then, "locked" on the same Piggy or EBNa everything that can be "closed", all sins hung and happy. And that, one in the West "sprinkles the path with sand", the second feeds the worms. But the true culprits of the tragedy of our country are alive and continue their destructive activities.
    The ENEMY is not open, but the ENEMY is hidden.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 12: 02
      +1
      So these enemies are not hiding, take any of the 90s to the wall for debriefing, and with them the judges and the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office and the Ministry of Defense, the top and all the governors and the Cabinet, but what can I say, the people see everything and know everything, and in an hour "H" few people will run away !!!
  22. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 22 2013 10: 13
    +7
    Unfortunately, bringing these Traitors to justice is nearly impossible! As for the public tribunal, the best gift for these nits will be an unlimited public action - "I saw Gorbachev ..., spit in his face!"
  23. valokordin
    valokordin April 22 2013 10: 20
    0
    Quote: VadimSt
    Unfortunately, bringing these Traitors to justice is nearly impossible! As for the public tribunal, the best gift for these nits will be an unlimited public action - "I saw Gorbachev ..., spit in his face!"

    I feel sorry for saliva, they are talking about such people, even though pisses in my eyes are still God's dew
  24. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 22 2013 10: 41
    +2
    <<< Therefore, we need a Public Tribunal over Judas, >>>
    It is simply necessary that any venal ambitious liberal svoyo..och, ready to trade in the interests of Russia wholesale and retail, knew that the time has come when for treason - a crime that has no statute of limitations, will inevitably be ANSWERED! The first step in initiating the process of creating such a tribunal could be the publication of a WHITE BOOK, which would have collected all the materials and documents confirming the betrayal of Russia's interests by tagged JUDA. Finally, the practice should be eliminated, as it were, not to notice acts that are clearly anti-state in nature, or simply TRIEF, just because they are committed by high-ranking figures! The law must finally be the same for everyone: for ordinary traitors - spies, who keep secrets of their homeland, and for high-ranking Judas, who caused Russia an incomparably colossal HARM!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 12: 04
      +1
      Not the White Book, but the Black Book !!!
  25. afire
    afire April 22 2013 10: 52
    +7
    I think Vladimir Vladimirovich needs to send these questions by hook or by crook -
    ***
    Why are Gorbachev not extradited to Russia for treason and not convicted?
    On what basis did Medvedev reward the traitor Gorbachev?
    Why does everyone pretend that everyone is honest and no one steals right under his nose (a thought, Medvedev’s cabinet, lower ranks), although facts with zealous applause are simply striking?
    ***
    The direct annual broadcast with the president will be on Thursday.
    Let's try to drag these questions?
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 22 2013 12: 13
      +2
      "Article 3. Immunity of the President of the Russian Federation who has terminated the exercise of his powers
      1. The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, has immunity. He cannot be held criminally or administratively liable for acts committed by him during the exercise of the powers of the President of the Russian Federation, as well as detained, arrested, subjected to search, interrogation or personal search if these actions are carried out in the course of proceedings related to execution him the powers of the President of the Russian Federation.
      The immunity of the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, extends to the residential and office premises he occupies, the vehicles used by him, communications equipment, documents and luggage belonging to him, and his correspondence. "
      They thought about themselves in advance, although there is an opportunity but chances ....
      "2. The President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, may be deprived of immunity if a criminal case is initiated on the fact that he has committed a serious crime.
      The Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the event of a criminal case against the specified person in connection with the commission of a serious crime during the term of office of the President of the Russian Federation sends a submission to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
      The resolution adopted by the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on consent to the deprivation of the inviolability of the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, is submitted to the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation within three days with the recommendation of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.
      The Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation shall consider within three months the question of depriving the immunity of the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, taking into account the submission of the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, takes a decision on this issue and notifies the Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation about it.
      The decision of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on the refusal to consent to the deprivation of the inviolability of the President of the Russian Federation who has ceased to exercise his powers, or the decision of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on the refusal to deprive the inviolability of this person is a circumstance that excludes the proceedings in the relevant criminal case and entails termination of such a case.
      The President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, in respect of whom the submission has been made, may participate in the consideration of the issue at a meeting of the corresponding chamber of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation. "
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 22 2013 17: 15
        0
        Quote: mhpv
        The immunity of the President of the Russian Federation, who ceased to exercise his powers

        So Gorbachev was not the president of the Russian Federation, but the USSR. So he doesn’t get here! laughing
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 22 2013 22: 52
          0
          That's right. The President of the USSR does not fall under the definition of the President of the Russian Federation and therefore does not enjoy such privileges and receives as an ordinary official.
          But I think one of the conditions for surrendering power to the EBN was the promise of immunity, and since Putin is the receiver of the EBN and apparently the person doesn’t touch him, even an attempt to give the court a HMS stink will be more than a result for the whole world, and even precedent for subsequent.
          You understand, do not touch Mr. .... will not stink.
          So Putin is making a small contribution to the ecology of our country. hi
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 22 2013 12: 17
      +1
      All the media are controlled by the West, and Putin is not clear under whose tune he dances! He says it’s correct, but what is performed and how, and who is responsible for non-execution? Putin, where is the landing !!! ???
      1. washi
        washi April 22 2013 14: 47
        +1
        What can Stirlitz, Johann Weiss and others allow themselves to be in a hostile environment?
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 22 2013 17: 21
          +3
          Quote: Vasya
          What can Stirlitz, Johann Weiss and others allow themselves to be in a hostile environment?

          And from which side, being the first person of the state, is he in an illegal position (do you compare him with Stirlitz and Weiss)? Yes, shake it now he is an official and an oligarchic bastard, he will immediately receive 100% popular support. I myself will go to protect the residence from the machinations of enemies.
          And now the guarantor clearly stands guard over the interests of oligarchs and officials. Time is running out, we are in severe time pressure. Now it is necessary to engage in the nationalization of mineral resources, energy and other strategic sectors. Amy is preoccupied with something else to privatize, i.e. to steal.
  26. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 22 2013 11: 02
    +1
    At all times, nature helped Russia (in all its scales) to withstand military confrontations, but time always played wicked jokes with it:
    -not enough time to prepare for war with Germany
    -Not enough time to lead Stalin more to strengthen the USSR
    - Andropov and Chernenko did not have enough time to remove this reformer-traitor Gorbachev.
    Well, it can’t always be like this, someday it will come to an end hi
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 22 2013 23: 44
      0
      - Andropov and Chernenko did not have enough time to remove this reformer-traitor Gorbachev.

      Actually, Andropov was promoting humpbacks if you don’t know .... Betrayal was much deeper ... hi
  27. svskor80
    svskor80 April 22 2013 11: 18
    0
    A trial is very possible, only the political will of the leadership is needed - and the country will recognize its "heroes" in small details. Or maybe just really that?
  28. Igarr
    Igarr April 22 2013 12: 30
    +4
    Oh, brothers ...
    if everything was so simple and primitive, as Panarin Igor Nikolaevich writes (why, incidentally, did he suddenly shut up with a doctor of political sciences? Is this some kind of doctor? He wasn’t half a year ago).
    Not only that, he dumped everything into a heap - karaoke slave owners of the Khazar Khaganate, drug trafficking with a key point in the Stavropol Territory, the second secretary for agriculture ....
    So it suggests itself - ".. and they also called you a worm. Yes, yes, a yellow earthworm !!"
    ....
    The system of political power of the USSR, the Central Committee, the Politburo was built in such a way that anyone didn’t get through there.
    If you were introduced into the nomenclature, you had to FILL without sparing either life or honor. Nobody and nothing around - for the one who introduced you to the Circle of Power.
    Everyone else .. KGB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. etc. - service structures. In the wings.
    And all these cheap show-offs - drugs, trafficking, the slave trade .... - there is cheap stuff.
    And Gorbachev is cheap, and Yeltsin is cheap. And the current rulers are also cheap.
    Effective managers with a "golden parachute" - and no more.

    And who the puppeteer is is not known. The topic is not disclosed.
    Panarin I.N. - deuce. Although he is a professor. Political Sciences.
    1. washi
      washi April 22 2013 14: 48
      0
      Are you aware of the clici bear Bear - wallet?
  29. Odissey
    Odissey April 22 2013 12: 40
    +2
    By the way, with this trip, the secretary of the Central Committee of Gorbachev M.S. another story is connected. More precisely, not with him, but with his wife - Raisa Maksimovna. While in London, she visited the Cartier salon and bought a diamond necklace and earrings for 2300 pounds. The purchase itself was a rarity at that time. But the main thing is different. British journalists have unearthed that R.M. the credit was paid. card "American Express", which implied a cash account.
    Gorbachev later reported to Chernenko, where he said that it was like a card from one of our diplomats, and the money was returned to his hands immediately. Such are the things.
  30. shark
    shark April 22 2013 12: 40
    +6
    There is no forgiveness to this Jew. He sold us all. He handed over in bulk, like a herd of sheep. Everything for the sake of his own ambitions. He launched the process of extermination of millions of Russians, and if we take into account all the victims of the global redivision of the world as a result of the death of the USSR, tens of millions died man. This is a criminal on a global, planetary scale. And this Judah receives an order from the hands of a bear, gives advice on how to govern the country, spoils our homeland in his multiple interviews with Western media. Did this man deserve to die? and even a thousand times yes. But it should be a court, public, with representatives of all republics of the former USSR, it should list the names of all people who died from democratization and the collapse of our country. Is this possible in real life? Most likely not! This is neither profitable for our political elite, nor Ukrainian, Belarusian or any other. Because they fed and will be fed on the basis of betrayal and theft which Gorbachev scattered. So I'm afraid that Judas will live in peace and prosperity Yes, and do we need his death? no, this will not solve anything. But the memory of his presence on Russian soil should either be etched or be a model of betrayal and venality. So live Judas and know that you are hated by many millions of ordinary people. will have to answer for everything.
  31. Alexander-81
    Alexander-81 April 22 2013 13: 02
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    But Gorby is a bastard of primary importance. There is information that this nits were recruited back in the 60s (where did the KGB look?)

    that’s the question, where was Andropov why did he allow and allow, and did he himself promote it? some questions recourse
  32. Alexander-81
    Alexander-81 April 22 2013 13: 05
    +1
    [quote = Den 11] Just do not enter here Putin! +1000
  33. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 22 2013 13: 09
    +4
    The post-Stalin era is saturated with Judas, a time of bastards. The reason is one, under Stalin there were no untouchables.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 22 2013 13: 17
      +3
      Probably a man of Stalin's level will not appear for a long time. And how did this bastard humiliate himself (Khrushch) in front of the Great Man --- "save my son", given that Yakov Dzhugashvili himself was steaming on a bunk
  34. P-15
    P-15 April 22 2013 13: 14
    +2
    To count a dog, .uka ruined such a country.
  35. screw cutter
    screw cutter April 22 2013 14: 07
    +2
    The other day, another “letter of happiness” came from the Moscow City Court in the Gorbachev case, which has been going on for more than a year. Our judiciary stubbornly does not want to see the obvious. This time, Daria Dedova, who filed a criminal case under Art. “For treason to the Motherland” in relation to the former President of the USSR Gorbachev M.S. On January 19, 2012 she received the following reply from the chairman of the Moscow City Court, O. Egorova:

    “After checking the submitted materials, I believe that your arguments set out in the supervisory appeal are insolvent ...”.

    Let me remind you that Daria Dedova demanded to reopen a criminal case against Gorbachev on the fact of treason to the Motherland, which was initiated by Viktor Ilyukhin in November 1991, and which was closed two days later.

    Judge Yegorova considered that the decisions made at previous court hearings to appeal the actions of representatives of supervisory authorities were taken correctly. The complaint was dismissed.

    Moreover, it was considered in an unprecedentedly short time for our court. The registration number was assigned on February 22, 2013, and on March 5 (after only six business days) a response was received, delivered by Russian Post to Darya Dedova on March 18, 2013.

    The ministers of the Russian Themis absolutely do not want to examine the complaint on the merits. They are completely satisfied with the fact that none of the judges has ever seen decisions to institute criminal proceedings against the President of the USSR M. Gorbachev. dated November 4, 1991 and its cancellation on November 5, 1991, which are the main documents in the case.

    However, the court considers it possible to establish that the arguments set forth in these decisions (which, I emphasize once again, were not seen by the judge, and it seems that the prosecutors themselves) are legitimate and well-founded. The court refused to investigate the fact that, in response to Daria Dedova, the Prosecutor’s Office referred specifically to these two decisions, but did not submit them to the court.

    The court never asked the prosecutor’s staff what, in fact, they had conducted a substantive check on the statement of a member of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens about initiating a criminal case against Mikhail Gorbachev.

    The incompleteness of the investigation of all the circumstances of the case - these are the violations committed by the court.

    As the lawyers say, the point in the case can only be set after the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation says its weighty word. We have no choice but to seek justice in the highest court of Russia. Today, the lawyer of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens in the Gorbachev case, Mikhail Gerasimov, is preparing a supervisory appeal to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. The Union of Russian Citizens is working in this direction, but the forces are unequal.
  36. screw cutter
    screw cutter April 22 2013 14: 08
    0
    The other day, another “letter of happiness” came from the Moscow City Court in the Gorbachev case, which has been going on for more than a year. Our judiciary stubbornly does not want to see the obvious. This time, Daria Dedova, who filed a criminal case under Art. “For treason to the Motherland” in relation to the former President of the USSR Gorbachev M.S. On January 19, 2012 she received the following reply from the chairman of the Moscow City Court, O. Egorova:

    “After checking the submitted materials, I believe that your arguments set out in the supervisory appeal are insolvent ...”.

    Let me remind you that Daria Dedova demanded to reopen a criminal case against Gorbachev on the fact of treason to the Motherland, which was initiated by Viktor Ilyukhin in November 1991, and which was closed two days later.

    Judge Yegorova considered that the decisions made at previous court hearings to appeal the actions of representatives of supervisory authorities were taken correctly. The complaint was dismissed.

    Moreover, it was considered in an unprecedentedly short time for our court. The registration number was assigned on February 22, 2013, and on March 5 (after only six business days) a response was received, delivered by Russian Post to Darya Dedova on March 18, 2013.

    The ministers of the Russian Themis absolutely do not want to examine the complaint on the merits. They are completely satisfied with the fact that none of the judges has ever seen decisions to institute criminal proceedings against the President of the USSR M. Gorbachev. dated November 4, 1991 and its cancellation on November 5, 1991, which are the main documents in the case.

    However, the court considers it possible to establish that the arguments set forth in these decisions (which, I emphasize once again, were not seen by the judge, and it seems that the prosecutors themselves) are legitimate and well-founded. The court refused to investigate the fact that, in response to Daria Dedova, the Prosecutor’s Office referred specifically to these two decisions, but did not submit them to the court.

    The court never asked the prosecutor’s staff what, in fact, they had conducted a substantive check on the statement of a member of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens about initiating a criminal case against Mikhail Gorbachev.

    The incompleteness of the investigation of all the circumstances of the case - these are the violations committed by the court.

    As the lawyers say, the point in the case can only be set after the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation says its weighty word. We have no choice but to seek justice in the highest court of Russia. Today, the lawyer of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens in the Gorbachev case, Mikhail Gerasimov, is preparing a supervisory appeal to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. The Union of Russian Citizens is working in this direction, but the forces are unequal.
  37. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 22 2013 14: 20
    +2
    This is just a version, as to me it is very primitive and stupid.
    In this way, anyone can be made a traitor. There would be a desire, but there is an article.
    In about twenty years, there will be similar versions, only with other persons. It is in us in the blood, always someone is to blame, there are always traitors.
    And yourself, what did you do when the Union fell apart? We sat in the kitchens and pretenders.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 22 2013 14: 28
      -1
      And we were asked? You write nonsense. Was it necessary to go out? Take the forks of the city committee secretaries? We were brought up like this for 70 years (I don’t know well or badly), but we are not like them
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka April 22 2013 14: 45
        -1
        Quote: Den 11
        And we were asked? You write nonsense. Was it necessary to go out? Take the forks of the city committee secretaries? We were brought up like this for 70 years (I don’t know well or badly), but we are not like them

        It was just that everyone was on the drum and it was not up to education.
        1. Odissey
          Odissey April 22 2013 19: 46
          +2
          Dear Vovka Levka, the fact that the USSR fell apart not through the fault of one person is clear and understandable. There were big internal problems associated with the heavy war, the shortage of goods (though caused by the same Gorbachev) and the outbreak of ethnic strife. They pushed the country to collapse.
          But the person standing at the head of the state is always responsible for the path that the country follows. He is the captain and he controls the ship. Even if a disorder begins on a ship, he must take all measures to eliminate the problems. If this does not happen, then 2 conclusions follow: he is either a coward or a traitor. The second is somehow more reassuring.
          And about the nonsense. Look at the results of the referendum of March 17.03.1991, XNUMX - for which people spoke out.
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka April 22 2013 22: 22
            0
            We perfectly understand all this, and we agree with you.
            But I will tell you so that the state perishes when people's faith in it disappears. And the referendum? Foolishness is all fiction.
  38. sergunec
    sergunec April 22 2013 14: 29
    0
    Rooster. You’re not the bottom tire, bastard!
  39. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 22 2013 14: 35
    -5
    for me that Gorbachev, that Navalny, that Khodorkovsky is all the same, even an ordinary ordinary hamster is an enemy for me, and most importantly they are all enemies of Russia !!! I put everything in the absolute. who are against Putin, they are on a par with the Gorbachevs, just petty tailoring. Gorbach is against Putin and this is not a secret according to his past statements and comments.
    At least Gorbachev's anti-Soviet activities began immediately after coming to power, which indicates his preliminary "preparation"

    At least antiRussian Navalny's activities began immediately after coming to power, which indicates his preliminary "preparation" at the Yelsk Institute of the United States.
    By the way, Khodorkovsky also wanted to go to the presidency of Russia in 2004, but he was imprisoned. Did you do it right? Was for what? It was right and it was for that. The leader also decided to become president, is there anything to put him in? Is there any need to put him in jail? They put the khodorka, Putin was scared? No. If they put him in prison, Putin will be scared of hamsters and Internet revolutionaries? No. What can the west do? Nothing, the thief Navalny should sit.
  40. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 22 2013 14: 58
    +4
    Quote: djon3volta
    I put everything in the absolute. those who are against Putin, they are on a par with the Gorbachevs, just fine tailoring.

    Putin will be scared of hamsters and Internet revolutionaries? No. What can the west do? Nothing, a thief Navalny must sit.


    "... Sharmanka is a mechanical device for reproducing musical works. Invented by the Italian Barbieri. In Russia it was sometimes called" Catarinka ". It is a small organ without a keyboard - a box inside which sounding pipes, furs and a wooden or metal roller are placed in several rows with spiked cams.
    By twisting the handle, the organ grinder could play 6-8 tunes recorded on the roller. "

    6-8? in my opinion even less ..

    Eugene, well, the same thing ...
  41. washi
    washi April 22 2013 15: 01
    +3
    If Gorbachev’s betrayal is recognized, then the whole policy of the CPSU after Stalin’s death will have to be recognized as wrong. And that means recognizing Stalin's politics and economy as correct. Former nomenclature workers and their heirs, who had time to grab during the collapse of the USSR, will not do this. Therefore, Gorbachev - orders, medals, prizes, and Stalin - a bloody executioner who destroyed the innocent - thieves, bribe takers, murderers and rapists. Moreover, many belonged to the highest party elite.
    Remember what Party leaders did in the Caucasus, Central Asia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine.
  42. Humpty
    Humpty April 22 2013 15: 32
    +3
    It is a pity that the tagged scum will not live to see the trial. I think his relatives are even afraid to bury him in Russia.
  43. kabizdox
    kabizdox April 22 2013 15: 49
    +1
    tagged, crying on it loop ..
  44. optimist
    optimist April 22 2013 16: 02
    +4
    A question for my "dearly beloved" putinoids: why is Judas of all times and peoples still living for pleasure and receiving money and state awards? Variants of answers: the current "guarantor" is a glorious successor of the humpback-ebony business and will not give his own insult. Option two: the "guarantor" is stupidly afraid. What other options could there be?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 22 2013 16: 18
      -2
      There are options! You can’t touch it now. Do you want a war? Believe me, the Most High will punish this nits!
      1. optimist
        optimist April 22 2013 17: 01
        0
        Well, sound the options? And when to touch it? EBN Already the worms ate, soon a hunchbacked turn ... And about the Almighty it is not necessary, because he is not there. laughing
      2. Stamp
        Stamp April 22 2013 17: 02
        +5
        Quote: Den 11
        You can't touch him now. Do you want a war?

        Wars with whom? specify. It is necessary to open just an abscess.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 22 2013 19: 05
          -3
          Turn on the brain (no offense). This bastard is in their favor. Who will allow him to be touched? It's the same stink that will rise! There are no options
          1. optimist
            optimist April 22 2013 19: 31
            +4
            That's it: you need to turn on the brain !!! And think about it, x ... we need such power that cannot (or does not want) punish the criminal of ALL TIMES AND PEOPLES (of the former USSR) !!!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 22 2013 19: 34
              +1
              Exactly how to punish Is that to kill quietly
              1. optimist
                optimist April 22 2013 19: 56
                0
                And how do you think the criminals are punished? They are judged and punished on the basis of a sentence.
          2. Stamp
            Stamp April 22 2013 19: 34
            +3
            Quote: Den 11
            Turn on the brain (no offense)

            You were asked to clarify and not to be rude. In this case, you yourself are contrary to your post above
            Quote: Den 11
            Just don’t enter Putin here! This is a person who is really fighting for Russia! Such a person should be at the helm on this development path. Only with him we can be reborn! I say this from the bottom of my heart.

            how does it fit in your head who else needs to turn on the brain?
            Quote: Den 11
            This bastard is in their favor. Who will allow him to be touched? What a stink will rise!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 22 2013 19: 43
              -1
              Do you feel the difference between Putin and Gorbachev? Sorry, if you offended, I think these are different people, I would even say ANTIPODES. Read carefully
              1. Stamp
                Stamp April 22 2013 19: 55
                +4
                Yes but who Really does not allow Gorbachev to judge. In principle, it’s enough for Putin to just hint to the Attorney General and the start will be a process, whether he’ll pull the steam train They don’t leave their own?
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 April 22 2013 20: 00
                  0
                  How else to explain to you, it’s impossible to judge this bitch right now. We’ll make too big problems
              2. optimist
                optimist April 22 2013 19: 57
                +1
                The same "eggs" - only a side view! laughing
  45. Black
    Black April 22 2013 16: 52
    +4
    Article is a cheap lightning rod.
    Demonized Paradise. I would like to ask the author, do you think the "daughter of slave traders" is stronger than the system?
    A labeled drug dealer? Is there evidence?
    Who allowed him to take out the secret card, or rather, who gave the task?
    The Soviet Union destroyed 3 people? 3 people are not able to ruin and general!

    The article deliberately “averts” the eyes from the true fathers of “perestroika,” from the puppeteers.

    There is an opinion on the site that the current government is reviving the state. To begin treatment, you have to fight not with the symptoms, but with the cause. So, I will believe - only if the President (this one is already unlikely) initiates an investigation of "perestroika", reveals the secrets of Malta, Reykjavik. All the rest is rubbish.
  46. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 22 2013 17: 00
    +2
    "As long as the greedy ones around are alive,
    Good luck we will not lose sight of.

    What a blue sky
    We are not supporters of robbery:
    You don't need a knife for greedy
    Show him a penny
    And do with him what you like! "
    (Song of the fox Alice and the cat Basilio)
  47. knn54
    knn54 April 22 2013 17: 12
    +4
    One colleague (GRU) said that Gorbachev (a party functionary) appeared in the late 70s at the wedding of a child of one of the authorities (in Crimea) ...
    Heydar Aliyev, presumably, knew something about Gorbachev’s Stavropol past and tried to stop him.
    Andropov wanted to make Aliyev (Muslim) the Pre-Council of Ministers (prime minister). It was a strong move and would enhance the image of the USSR in the Muslim region, and not only that. Yes, the "hospital" seriously undermined Aliyev’s health and he "fell out of the cage"
    http://invivio.net/info/136013.htm Горбачев хотел убить Гейдара Алиева
    I repeat, but I think out of place.
    As far back as the second half of the 80s, the KGB knew that most of the food and feed grain we imported was of “soviet” nature. For example, a ship was loaded with grain in Leningrad, Riga, Tallinn, Murmansk, cruised around Africa and arrived in Odessa ... with “imported” grain. SES checked the quality, gave the go-ahead and ... we ate “imported” bread. The essence of the phenomenon is that our “substandard and poor” grain was sold at 35-45 dollars per ton, but already “imported” grain was bought at 100-120 dollars. Where this difference went, today, I hope, no need to explain.
    When a person is killed, he dies once, and when they despise - many times!


  48. albai
    albai April 22 2013 20: 05
    0
    Quote: optimist
    A question for my "dearly beloved" putinoids: why is Judas of all times and peoples still living for pleasure and receiving money and state awards? Variants of answers: the current "guarantor" is a glorious successor of the humpback-ebony business and will not give his own insult. Option two: the "guarantor" is stupidly afraid. What other options could there be?

    There is only one option: if the GDP starts abrupt movements, the whole
    "shitty army" and can raise banners collecting all the dregs of the west, and Russia will be strangled. Therefore, I quietly lay down first one, then the others, and then the third.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 22 2013 20: 26
      0
      By the way, in addition to the boss, the wives of several bosses were replaced in our mountains by the administration. Or really fight corruption or sweep traces.
    2. optimist
      optimist April 22 2013 20: 51
      0
      Well, let's wait ... Another 300 years ... As with the Tatar-Mongols ... am
  49. DPN
    DPN April 22 2013 20: 06
    +1
    In Russia, we have a guarantor of the constitution by law, no matter what the crime against the country and the people; the collapse of the country, the sale of territory, and now guaranteed to be thrown out of the apartment on REN-TV, today showed that the guarantor for this is the Nobel Prize, yes the Order, in place of the COURT.
    They make the constitution for themselves, and not for the people. In Soviet times, I did not hear that they would be kicked out of the house into the street.
  50. DPN
    DPN April 22 2013 20: 17
    0
    It’s just the guarantors of the country, in Russia they are not subject to jurisdiction and each of them steers as they can, they don’t give a damn about the people. They still don’t have to answer, the people will not be able to ask.