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Shamanov did not like the results of the shooting of the Pskov Airborne Division

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Shamanov did not like the results of the shooting of the Pskov Airborne DivisionThe commander of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces) Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov did not satisfy the results of April 16 during a sudden test of the Pskov division, firing from the airborne combat vehicles.


Colonel Alexander Kucherenko, representative of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Airborne Forces Air Force, said on Friday that Shamanov was satisfied with the results of the paratroopers' night march, which also took place last Tuesday as part of a surprise check of the 76 Guards Air Assault Division (Pskov), RIA reports.News».

“The units of the regiment as part of the reinforced battalion group, organized in alarm, organized themselves into a convoy and made a night march to the firing range at a very high speed - 45 kilometers per hour on average, which is an excellent indicator for our combat vehicles (BMD-2). However, the results of practical shooting from them did not satisfy me, ”Kucherenko quoted the words of the Commander of the Airborne Forces.

Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

“This once again confirms the correctness of the path we have chosen to upgrade the outdated fleet of combat vehicles and the work to adopt the fourth modernized assault vehicle of the fourth generation (BMD-4M) Kurganmashzavod,” said the Defense Ministry spokesman.

He added that in May at the Struga Krasny landfill in the Pskov Region large-scale gatherings will take place. “The results of a sudden verification of combat readiness will be announced by the commander of the airborne troops in Pskov today. Their results will form the basis for evaluating the division for the winter period of 2013 training, ”Kucherenko said.

Recall that over the past two months, large-scale unplanned maneuvers of the Russian army were held twice. In February, a surprise verification of the combat readiness of the army was announced for the first time in the last 20 years - then the troops of the Central and Southern Military Districts raised an alarm.
In late March, the order to start other surprise exercises, in the Black Sea region, was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin. About seven thousand people participated in these maneuvers, around 250 armored vehicles, dozens of ships, airplanes and helicopters, artillery pieces.

Last Friday, the president arrived at the Rayevsky training ground in the Krasnodar Territory, in the area of ​​which the ground forces, combat and military transport were being tested aviation, ships of the Navy.

At the test site, Putin also observed the landing, which was carried out by airborne units from the Moscow, Ryazan and Tula regions. After that, he flew several warships in a military helicopter, in particular, large landing ships that arrived in the area from Sevastopol.
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  1. kind
    kind April 20 2013 06: 31 New
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    Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

    When there were regular repair bodies in parts, everything was in order. Now Oboronservis, well, the corresponding results.
    1. skeptic-
      skeptic- April 20 2013 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Good
      When there were regular repair bodies in parts, everything was in order. Now Oboronservis, well, the corresponding results.


      In the early 80s, on alert, the Novocherkassk Tank Regiment was raised. In the presence of all regular repair bodies, the tankers themselves, in the field, in the cold, around the clock, for two days, brought their equipment to the loading state under its own power on the railway platform.

      You can talk a lot about the hell of a modern period, but the most favorable period can be screwed up, if the leadership relates to its duties, through the sleeves. As a result, in hostilities - large and unjustified losses.
  2. itr
    itr April 20 2013 06: 45 New
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    Old equipment, etc. etc. Here is my assumption (sorry, I repent in the army I served urgently) In the unit there are no more than 5 cars with the letter U. Three shoot back at the training ground, two stand in the classroom (training is being conducted on the street under the roof. Well, loading grenades.
    If they went on a march, the cars would be taken from the battle line a, respectively, and they would be much better than the training ones. So the Bad Dancer is getting in the way of the eggs! The conclusion is that the first part should be given on the head and forced to engage in direct duties and not drill, cleaning. That’s the elite. In principle, this was to be expected. In one year you won’t rise up that they destroyed 20 years. Thank God Rogozin appeared here, otherwise he didn’t know what to do))).
    1. crambol
      crambol April 20 2013 07: 34 New
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      I'm sorry I repent in the army, I urgently served


      And do not repent over time, but you have to be proud!
    2. shark
      shark April 20 2013 12: 29 New
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      All of you are saying correctly. I agree. That's only Rogozin, for me personally, is still a dark horse. I don’t understand him.
  3. horoh
    horoh April 20 2013 06: 51 New
    +2
    Yes, go fix it, I think so yes
  4. politruk419
    politruk419 April 20 2013 07: 01 New
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    The very fact that such inspections have become regular and their honest and objective analysis is carried out with conclusions and suggestions, and from the top officials of the RF Ministry of Defense, this is the main, encouraging and joyful moment for the army.
    I also liked that Shamanov did not blame everything on the personnel and command and clearly divided the organization and efficiency of the actions of the 76th Airborne Division during the sudden field exit and the technical flaws of the BTVT. The military leadership is looking for a way out and it will find it. I have no doubt.
    Good luck to the paratroopers!
  5. Azaat
    Azaat April 20 2013 07: 18 New
    0
    Two served in Pskov, one as a conscript, albeit distant 95, the other as a contractor in 2003. The conscript fought equipment and received pussies, while the contractor, as an ensign, drank and carried everything that could be carried away. I can’t say that everything is bad now, but still the elite part.
    PS Prapora kicked out for a booze.
  6. Sirs
    Sirs April 20 2013 07: 21 New
    +8
    Checks need to be tightened up and made them really sudden. Conclusions to make personnel and may need additional training for officers?
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 April 20 2013 09: 47 New
      +7
      Согласен. Надо "драть" офицеров за подготовку ЛС. Тем более, что ныне служат всего год.
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 April 20 2013 11: 43 New
        +7
        And how do you understand? The soldiers serve a year, from this year, six months, in the training, what they study there, I do not know, but in part they have to be taught again. That's how we serve, I have been training a fighter for six months, and then he goes on demobilization and it turns out that I am not a unit commander, but a teacher of a junior specialist school. Digging a trench and firing a machine gun doesn’t have to study long, but you need to learn technique to touch it, to sort it out more than once, but it’s also old and with age it doesn’t get any better, and after the reform, where the junior officer or ensign was now a conscript soldier. A simple example, in my group before the reform there were 4 officers and a warrant officer, and now I have one engineer senior lieutenant, and the rest are sergeant posts, but there are no contract sergeants and they are replaced by conscripts, i.e. where there used to be a technician specialist, now yesterday’s schoolchild, but work has not diminished.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 20 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          but you need to learn the technique, you have to touch it with your hands, try it more than once, and it’s also old and it doesn’t get better with age, and after the reform, where the junior officer or ensign was now a conscript soldier.

          Totally on your side! hi NOBILIZED WITH THIS REFORM — THERE IS NEVER ANYWHERE! How else could NATO have thought of declaring war! It would be exactly like in the 41st. recourse And the return of ensigns must be considered.
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 20 2013 07: 33 New
    +4
    The exercises are held, conclusions are drawn. Now the main thing is that the work on the bugs was carried out. There is a clear feeling that this is preparation for something serious.
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 April 20 2013 07: 34 New
    +9
    If SHAMANOV is not satisfied, MUST correct! HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAYS! (THIS IS NOT A JOKE) hi
  9. sashka
    sashka April 20 2013 07: 37 New
    0
    Боялись и Уважали ..Чего-же боле.? Покажите кто так скажет про "тандем" ? Босяки вырвались во Власть, а что делать с ней не знают..
  10. crambol
    crambol April 20 2013 07: 38 New
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    Шаман мне всегда нравился своей "некабинетностью". Его сослуживцы есть на связи? Пусть поделятся воспоминаниями!
  11. sashka
    sashka April 20 2013 07: 42 New
    +3
    А на деньги сердюка сколько можно было-бы "настрелять"..Просто интересно Чего-же от рядовых требовать. Как научили то и получите.В чём проблема ?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 20 2013 10: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      А на деньги сердюка сколько можно было-бы "настрелять

      An interesting situation. Estimates for the shooting are not bad, do we have enough ammunition? Then why not let the soldiers shoot the destroyed ammunition, because not only the 40s and 50s of the BP are destroyed.
  12. s500
    s500 April 20 2013 07: 57 New
    0
    The fleet of equipment and the entire armament must be updated as much as possible, and the exercises began to fail. soldier
  13. servant
    servant April 20 2013 08: 01 New
    +1
    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/1958-iveco-vcrec.html О БМД-4 ,машина спорная да и мнение генерала меняется на противоположное как то быстро...
  14. NIK 163
    NIK 163 April 20 2013 08: 03 New
    +5
    There will be more military exercises, not window dressing, and everything will be fine. Tanks must shoot, ships sail. The officer corps should be on top so that in 1 year a first-class soldier must be worked hard from a kid. And when a soldier respects the commander’s father, he has an additional incentive , we couldn’t try for our company through, as a result our company was the best.
  15. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel April 20 2013 08: 21 New
    +5
    You have to shoot day and night, in summer and winter, in snow and rain, and even in fog. Shoot, shoot and shoot again. And then even from the squeak they will hit the target without any problems.
  16. SEM
    SEM April 20 2013 08: 23 New
    +2
    It is impossible to keep the equipment in a combat ready state without its service by competent specialists .. Another hello to the former Minister of Defense ...
  17. Yves762
    Yves762 April 20 2013 09: 10 New
    +1
    ИМХО, лишь постоянная живая практика "с железом,в поле" способна сделать "из обезьяны человека".

    К слову, новомодные тенденции (в этой стране), типа комп. симуляторов всего и вся, вещь полезная, но лишь в первый месяц(ы) учебки да вкачестве "перекура в работе"(т.с.).

    Ps Damn!, How lazy to print, revealing a thought ...
  18. kosmos84
    kosmos84 April 20 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    and I remember we were the best of the troops (104 PDP)
  19. BARKAS
    BARKAS April 20 2013 09: 53 New
    +1
    Shamanov does everything right, makes it clear that the new BMDs of the Kurganmashzavod are necessary now even if they have fired normally, you need to constantly motivate people on whom it depends.
    1. vilenich
      vilenich April 20 2013 10: 30 New
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      Shamanov does everything right, makes it clear that the new BMDs of the Kurganmashzavod are necessary now even if they have fired normally, you need to constantly motivate people on whom it depends.

      So why then do such passages:
      Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

      Естественно, что новая техника будет способна лучше стрелять, но для этого нужно самих стреляющих сначала научить! Вот и учите, а не прикрывайтесь "старой техникой", она хоть и старая, но скорость на марше приличную дала!
      And so it looks more like Rychagov’s famous replicas!
  20. washi
    washi April 20 2013 10: 42 New
    +5
    The problems are not in the technique. Problems in the officers, especially in the junior. Lieutenants came - they cannot answer elementary questions about the service. As I passed the exams, I bought it to the department ... further, according to the department. And what he did in general - who traded icons, who guarded the parking lot. AND ALL THESE INSTEAD OF TRAINING. Many enter the Higher School of Higher Education in order to otmazatsya from the army and get higher education for free.
    It is necessary to restore the Soviet education system (not just military). He entered the Higher School of Higher Education - no one has free access to dismissal throughout his studies. You succeed in all subjects - there are additional, there is a sport. To abolish the introduction of individualism is a hostel for cadets and conscripts. We eat together, sleep together, study together, fight together. I think many will agree that in this mode, rot gets out faster. (we are e ... t, and we are getting stronger). Field exits should be at least 3 months per year. Internships in the troops in the positions of KO, KV, KR. Got a battalion - coped - at the academy. Got a division - at the General Staff Academy. Between them training courses.
    If all this is introduced, then the ballast will disappear.
    1. vilenich
      vilenich April 20 2013 11: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      The problems are not in the technique. Problems in the officers, especially in the junior.

      Unfortunately, at this stage it is difficult to say where there are no problems ...
  21. Maximus
    Maximus April 20 2013 12: 16 New
    -2
    У Шаманова камуфляж с магазина "Охота и Рыбалка"?
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 20 2013 13: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Maximus
      У Шаманова камуфляж с магазина "Охота и Рыбалка"?

      And he doesn’t care! If only it was comfortable and warm. All the same, after all, his position is not military. And the rank is probably the captain or major of the reserve. Yes, and Putin is just a colonel. If only his head worked, but there was a conscience!
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 20 2013 16: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        All the same, after all, his post is not military. And the rank is probably the captain or major of the reserve.

        Is that a joke like that? And then I didn’t enter something ...
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 22 2013 17: 58 New
          0
          I apologize, froze stupidity recourse I wouldn’t get it myself, but Rogozin was hanging in my head at that moment!
  22. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 20 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Tupolev-95
    The soldiers serve a year, from this year, six months, in the training, what they study there, I do not know, but in part they have to be taught again.


    Немного информации. Бойцы в учебке сегодня служат всего три месяца, а раньше было полгода. Месяц они пытаются понять, куда они попали, что с ними происходит и чего от них хотят. Потом начинаются поблемы, болячки. Далее через три месяца попытка сдать неудовлетворительные знания на "хорошо" и "отлично". Вот и попробуй чему то их обучить.
  23. Pimply
    Pimply April 20 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    But in reality, everything is being done as part of pushing through the decision to adopt the BMD-4M. Hence the statements, and so on.
    1. washi
      washi April 20 2013 15: 29 New
      +1
      If the airborne BMD - 4 like, then why not accept? This is my death in it.
  24. NAPOLEON
    NAPOLEON April 20 2013 22: 24 New
    0
    when the shaman will be removed protégé Putin. and it’s true that the shaman was awarded another rank besides the Minister of Defense Serdyukov