Shamanov did not like the results of the shooting of the Pskov Airborne Division

The commander of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces) Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov did not satisfy the results of April 16 during a sudden test of the Pskov division, firing from the airborne combat vehicles.

Colonel Alexander Kucherenko, representative of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Airborne Forces Air Force, said on Friday that Shamanov was satisfied with the results of the paratroopers' night march, which also took place last Tuesday as part of a surprise check of the 76 Guards Air Assault Division (Pskov), RIA reports.News».

“The units of the regiment as part of the reinforced battalion group, organized in alarm, organized themselves into a convoy and made a night march to the firing range at a very high speed - 45 kilometers per hour on average, which is an excellent indicator for our combat vehicles (BMD-2). However, the results of practical shooting from them did not satisfy me, ”Kucherenko quoted the words of the Commander of the Airborne Forces.

Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

“This once again confirms the correctness of the path we have chosen to upgrade the outdated fleet of combat vehicles and the work to adopt the fourth modernized assault vehicle of the fourth generation (BMD-4M) Kurganmashzavod,” said the Defense Ministry spokesman.

He added that in May at the Struga Krasny landfill in the Pskov Region large-scale gatherings will take place. “The results of a sudden verification of combat readiness will be announced by the commander of the airborne troops in Pskov today. Their results will form the basis for evaluating the division for the winter period of 2013 training, ”Kucherenko said.

Recall that over the past two months, large-scale unplanned maneuvers of the Russian army were held twice. In February, a surprise verification of the combat readiness of the army was announced for the first time in the last 20 years - then the troops of the Central and Southern Military Districts raised an alarm.
In late March, the order to start other surprise exercises, in the Black Sea region, was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin. About seven thousand people participated in these maneuvers, around 250 armored vehicles, dozens of ships, airplanes and helicopters, artillery pieces.

Last Friday, the president arrived at the Rayevsky training ground in the Krasnodar Territory, in the area of ​​which the ground forces, combat and military transport were being tested aviation, ships of the Navy.

At the test site, Putin also observed the landing, which was carried out by airborne units from the Moscow, Ryazan and Tula regions. After that, he flew several warships in a military helicopter, in particular, large landing ships that arrived in the area from Sevastopol.

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[kind]

Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

When there were regular repair bodies in parts, everything was in order. Now Oboronservis, well, the corresponding results.

[skeptic-]

Quote: Good

When there were regular repair bodies in parts, everything was in order. Now Oboronservis, well, the corresponding results.

In the early 80s, on alert, the Novocherkassk Tank Regiment was raised. In the presence of all regular repair bodies, the tankers themselves, in the field, in the cold, around the clock, for two days, brought their equipment to the loading state under its own power on the railway platform.

You can talk a lot about the hell of a modern period, but the most favorable period can be screwed up, if the leadership relates to its duties, through the sleeves. As a result, in hostilities - large and unjustified losses.

[itr]

Old equipment, etc. etc. Here is my assumption (sorry, I repent in the army I served urgently) In the unit there are no more than 5 cars with the letter U. Three shoot back at the training ground, two stand in the classroom (training is being conducted on the street under the roof. Well, loading grenades.
If they went on a march, the cars would be taken from the battle line a, respectively, and they would be much better than the training ones. So the Bad Dancer is getting in the way of the eggs! The conclusion is that the first part should be given on the head and forced to engage in direct duties and not drill, cleaning. That’s the elite. In principle, this was to be expected. In one year you won’t rise up that they destroyed 20 years. Thank God Rogozin appeared here, otherwise he didn’t know what to do))).

[crambol]

I'm sorry I repent in the army, I urgently served

And do not repent over time, but you have to be proud!

[shark]

All of you are saying correctly. I agree. That's only Rogozin, for me personally, is still a dark horse. I don’t understand him.

[horoh]

Yes, go fix it, I think so

[politruk419]

The very fact that such inspections have become regular and their honest and objective analysis is carried out with conclusions and suggestions, and from the top officials of the RF Ministry of Defense, this is the main, encouraging and joyful moment for the army.
I also liked that Shamanov did not blame everything on the personnel and command and clearly divided the organization and efficiency of the actions of the 76th Airborne Division during the sudden field exit and the technical flaws of the BTVT. The military leadership is looking for a way out and it will find it. I have no doubt.
Good luck to the paratroopers!

[Azaat]

Two served in Pskov, one as a conscript, albeit distant 95, the other as a contractor in 2003. The conscript fought equipment and received pussies, while the contractor, as an ensign, drank and carried everything that could be carried away. I can’t say that everything is bad now, but still the elite part.
PS Prapora kicked out for a booze.

[Sirs]

Checks need to be tightened up and made them really sudden. Conclusions to make personnel and may need additional training for officers?

[Olegovi4]

I agree. It is necessary to "tear" the officers for the preparation of drugs. Moreover, now they serve only a year.

[tupolev-95]

And how do you understand? The soldiers serve a year, from this year, six months, in the training, what they study there, I do not know, but in part they have to be taught again. That's how we serve, I have been training a fighter for six months, and then he goes on demobilization and it turns out that I am not a unit commander, but a teacher of a junior specialist school. Digging a trench and firing a machine gun doesn’t have to study long, but you need to learn technique to touch it, to sort it out more than once, but it’s also old and with age it doesn’t get any better, and after the reform, where the junior officer or ensign was now a conscript soldier. A simple example, in my group before the reform there were 4 officers and a warrant officer, and now I have one engineer senior lieutenant, and the rest are sergeant posts, but there are no contract sergeants and they are replaced by conscripts, i.e. where there used to be a technician specialist, now yesterday’s schoolchild, but work has not diminished.

[sergo0000]

Quote: Tupolev-95

but you need to learn the technique, you have to touch it with your hands, try it more than once, and it’s also old and it doesn’t get better with age, and after the reform, where the junior officer or ensign was now a conscript soldier.

Totally on your side! NOBILIZED WITH THIS REFORM — THERE IS NEVER ANYWHERE! How else could NATO have thought of declaring war! It would be exactly like in the 41st. And the return of ensigns must be considered.

[Zomanus]

The exercises are held, conclusions are drawn. Now the main thing is that the work on the bugs was carried out. There is a clear feeling that this is preparation for something serious.

[fenix57]

If SHAMANOV is not satisfied, MUST correct! HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAYS! (THIS IS NOT A JOKE)

[sashka]

They were afraid and respected .. What is more.? Show me who says that about "tandem"? Tramps escaped to Power, but they don't know what to do with it ..

[crambol]

I always liked the shaman for his "non-cabinet". Are his colleagues in touch? Let them share their memories!

[sashka]

And for Serdyuk's money, how much could he "shoot" .. Just wondering What to demand from the privates. How did you teach you what you get. What's the problem?

[Sirocco]

Quote: Sasha

And for Serdyuk's money, how much could you "shoot

An interesting situation. Estimates for the shooting are not bad, do we have enough ammunition? Then why not let the soldiers shoot the destroyed ammunition, because not only the 40s and 50s of the BP are destroyed.

[s500]

The fleet of equipment and the entire armament must be updated as much as possible, and the exercises began to fail.

[servant]

http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/1958-iveco-vcrec.html О БМД-4 ,машина спорная да и мнение генерала меняется на противоположное как то быстро...

[N.I.K. 163]

There will be more military exercises, not window dressing, and everything will be fine. Tanks must shoot, ships sail. The officer corps should be on top so that in 1 year a first-class soldier must be worked hard from a kid. And when a soldier respects the commander’s father, he has an additional incentive , we couldn’t try for our company through, as a result our company was the best.

[Captain Vrungel]

You have to shoot day and night, in summer and winter, in snow and rain, and even in fog. Shoot, shoot and shoot again. And then even from the squeak they will hit the target without any problems.

[SEM]

It is impossible to keep the equipment in a combat ready state without its service by competent specialists .. Another hello to the former Minister of Defense ...

[Yves762]

IMHO, only constant living practice "with iron, in the field" is able to make "a man out of a monkey."

By the way, newfangled trends (in this country), such as comp. simulators of everything and everything, a useful thing, but only in the first month (s) of study and as a "smoke break at work" (ts.).

Ps Damn!, How lazy to print, revealing a thought ...

[kosmos84]

and I remember we were the best of the troops (104 PDP)

[BARKAS]

Shamanov does everything right, makes it clear that the new BMDs of the Kurganmashzavod are necessary now even if they have fired normally, you need to constantly motivate people on whom it depends.

[vilenich]

Quote: BARKAS

Shamanov does everything right, makes it clear that the new BMDs of the Kurganmashzavod are necessary now even if they have fired normally, you need to constantly motivate people on whom it depends.

So why then do such passages:

Kucherenko said that, according to Shamanov, the reason for the poor results of the shooting was not so much the weak training of personnel, as much as the design features and age of the combat equipment, as well as shortcomings in its maintenance and modernization.

Naturally, the new technique will be able to shoot better, but for this you need to teach the shooters themselves first! So teach, and do not hide behind the "old technology", although it is old, it gave a decent speed on the march!
And so it looks more like Rychagov’s famous replicas!

[washi]

The problems are not in the technique. Problems in the officers, especially in the junior. Lieutenants came - they cannot answer elementary questions about the service. As I passed the exams, I bought it to the department ... further, according to the department. And what he did in general - who traded icons, who guarded the parking lot. AND ALL THESE INSTEAD OF TRAINING. Many enter the Higher School of Higher Education in order to otmazatsya from the army and get higher education for free.
It is necessary to restore the Soviet education system (not just military). He entered the Higher School of Higher Education - no one has free access to dismissal throughout his studies. You succeed in all subjects - there are additional, there is a sport. To abolish the introduction of individualism is a hostel for cadets and conscripts. We eat together, sleep together, study together, fight together. I think many will agree that in this mode, rot gets out faster. (we are e ... t, and we are getting stronger). Field exits should be at least 3 months per year. Internships in the troops in the positions of KO, KV, KR. Got a battalion - coped - at the academy. Got a division - at the General Staff Academy. Between them training courses.
If all this is introduced, then the ballast will disappear.

[vilenich]

Quote: Vasya

The problems are not in the technique. Problems in the officers, especially in the junior.

Unfortunately, at this stage it is difficult to say where there are no problems ...

[Maximus]

Does Shamanov have camouflage from the "Hunting and Fishing" shop?

[sergo0000]

Quote: Maximus

Does Shamanov have camouflage from the "Hunting and Fishing" shop?

And he doesn’t care! If only it was comfortable and warm. All the same, after all, his position is not military. And the rank is probably the captain or major of the reserve. Yes, and Putin is just a colonel. If only his head worked, but there was a conscience!

[vilenich]

Quote: sergo0000

All the same, after all, his post is not military. And the rank is probably the captain or major of the reserve.

Is that a joke like that? And then I didn’t enter something ...

[sergo0000]

I apologize, froze stupidity I wouldn’t get it myself, but Rogozin was hanging in my head at that moment!

[VohaAhov]

Quote: Tupolev-95

The soldiers serve a year, from this year, six months, in the training, what they study there, I do not know, but in part they have to be taught again.

A little information. Soldiers in training today serve only three months, and before it was six months. For a month they have been trying to understand where they got to, what is happening to them and what they want from them. Then problems and sores begin. Then, three months later, an attempt was made to pass unsatisfactory knowledge with "good" and "excellent". So try to teach them something.

[Pimply]

But in reality, everything is being done as part of pushing through the decision to adopt the BMD-4M. Hence the statements, and so on.

[washi]

If the airborne BMD - 4 like, then why not accept? This is my death in it.

[NAPOLEON]

when the shaman will be removed protégé Putin. and it’s true that the shaman was awarded another rank besides the Minister of Defense Serdyukov