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The return of the Dagestan conscription. Disputes do not stop

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In Russia, the spring draft campaign of the 2013 of the year is already in full swing. According to the quotas determined by the state, the number of young people between the ages of 18 and 27 years, which should be called up to the army during this campaign, will be 153,2 thousands of people. This is on the 13 thousand more digits of the 2012 fall call of the year. True, at the same time almost a thousand 3 recruits fewer than during the spring draft last year.




So far, the main, if I may say so, highlight of the draft campaign, which is launched in Russia, can be considered an increase in the draft quota for Dagestan youth. Now the state plans to carry out an appeal from Dagestan to almost eight hundred people. These, of course, are not the indicators that corresponded to those of the Soviet period, or, for example, the beginnings of the two thousandth, but the tendency for an increase in the number of Dagestan conscripts in the Russian army was manifested.

It is worth noting that the decision in the Russian law enforcement agencies (in particular, in the Ministry of Defense of Russia) to increase the “Caucasian quota” was made after a personal request to Sergey Shoigu on this issue was addressed to Magomedsalam Magomedov - a man who had already resigned Heads of the Republic of Dagestan. Magomedov asked the Minister of Defense to renew his call-up for Dagestani young people for military service in the Russian army in the same, let's say, volume. During the conversation that took place in December last year, Sergei Shoigu promised to consider this issue in a positive way for Dagestan and during the call-2013 to call Dagestan's recruits to the ranks of the Russian army around 4000. If we consider that the spring call concerns 800 Dagestan young people, then, by subtracting this number from 4 thousands, you can get 3,2 thousands of Dagestan recruits of the sample "autumn-2013".

Such an increase in the Dagestan call quota, the decision of which was made by Sergei Shoigu, caused a mixed reaction in Russian society. As usual, there were both ardent supporters and ardent opponents of this decision of the minister. The main slogan of the opponents is that in no case should the Dagestanis be allowed to serve in the Russian army, since they are supposedly the main degrading discipline among the troops - this is the time; that calling on Dagestan boys - preparing potential extremists and terrorists with the forces of the Russian army itself using the military budget is two. The main slogan of the supporters is that Dagestanis are the same citizens of Russia as Russians, Kalmyks or Tatars, and therefore it is necessary to abide by the constitution and be given the opportunity to send your military duty to any Russian male citizen who is not in disabilities.

Both camps continue to throw spears at each other and to defend their positions. And while this throwing of copies continues, information arrives from Dagestan that, with local district military enlistment offices, it has been decided to create so-called trusteeship groups that will directly monitor the service of recruits called up by this military enlistment office. The Dagestan authorities, and in particular, the acting head of the republic, Ramazan Abdulatipov, report that local elders, representatives of municipal authorities, spiritual leaders, as well as parents of some draftees are introduced into guardian groups. The work of such groups is reportedly reduced to the following: for each draftee from Dagestan is assigned a person responsible for him from the board of trustees. One person in charge may be responsible for several draftees. If from the military unit in which a called-up young man is serving, a complaint is received about the non-statutory relations with fellow soldiers that this soldier admits, the guarantor should immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out on the spot in the incident, help the commanders to rein in the fighter.

At the same time, representatives of the Dagestan authorities say that it is in this way that you can easily knock arrogance from a draftee who decided to follow the path of non-statutory relations. The reason is that for a Dagestan young man, coming to the place of service of a respected person from his own town (village) for censure will be, if not a shame, then a rather serious shock. And since respect for elders in the Caucasus is an indisputable truth, such a measure would allow the army education of Dagestan conscripts to be brought to an acceptable level. At least, that’s what the lawmakers in Dagestan themselves think.

It is worth noting that the Dagestan conscription itself was transformed significantly. Now, according to statements by local military commissariats, only the best of the best are selected to serve. From now on, a mandatory requirement for a Dagestan recruit is not only excellent health, but also the presence of a higher education with “recommendations” from teachers of the university where he studied.

All these conditions, which are simply unthinkable for most other regions of Russia, are introduced in Dagestan only because the failure to perform service in the Russian army blocks the way for decent employment for the young man. That is why the Dagestan youth so eager to go to the service. And if in other regions of the federation it is necessary to stimulate the very young people of military age for service in the ranks of the Republic of Armenia, then Dagestan (and in other North Caucasian republics too) there is almost a reverse trend. Not so long ago, there was information in the media that the parents of some Dagestan conscripts gave bribes to employees of military registration and enlistment offices so that they could help their children to be called up for military service - even through quotas from other regions. Someone will say that these are some tales, but this situation may seem to be a story in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Tula (yes, anywhere), except for the North Caucasus itself.

By the way, the Dagestan precedents with bribes for taking a young man into the army can be indicative of those who are sure that the Dagestanis (Avarians, Kumyks, Darghins, etc.) have nothing to do in the Russian army. The fact is that after the reduction of the quota for conscription from the North Caucasus (in some regions to, let's say, absolute zero), the number of guys of Caucasian nationality in Armenia, if decreased, is not total. The reason is the following: the same Dagestan guy a year or two before the onset of draft age with the help of material incentives for a certain circle of people could change registration with Makhachkala or Derbent, for example, for Stavropol or Kislovodsk. Here (Stavropol Territory) there are no any hard upper levels of conscription, and therefore a former resident of Dagestan found himself in the army as a resident of Stavropol, because to refuse people who want to serve in the army in most Russian regions is somehow not accepted ... After that, problems with employment after his return from the services were no longer as serious as those who could not get a military ticket with notes of service on conscription.

According to some information, it was in this way over the years of the “draft drought” in Dagestan that the inhabitants of this Russian region got into the Russian army in the hundreds. And this is a kind of corruption market, which has grown on the declared desire to save the Russian army from the "Caucasian lawlessness". As they say, they wanted the best ...

The return of the call of the Dagestan youth to the army from Dagestan itself can partially destroy this corruption scheme. But not completely ... Obviously, among those who want to do service in the Dagestan boys, the vast majority have no higher education. This means that a new loophole appears, to which local authorities should pay attention. We are talking about fictitious documents, allegedly confirming the receipt of higher education. If the Dagestan authorities will be able to restore order here, then this can be called a significant success.

Well, now to the question of calling for Caucasian young people for military service, Moscow itself is preparing potential militants, who allegedly immediately after the army grab for weapon and go to the mountains. This opinion, of course, deserves attention, but at the same time it does not hold water. In fact, the situation looks exactly the opposite. It is precisely those representatives of Caucasian youth who are closed the way to the RA and, accordingly, a good job in the region, can go to the mountains in search of “other happiness”. They can be blamed for this as much as they want, but if the state itself suddenly declares that it refuses their services, and almost directly confirms that it fears the participation of Caucasian youth in the full-fledged life of the country, then this youth remains to be done ... there is no perspective, and even the Constitution does not apply to them, because, you see, some of the commanding fathers cannot, forgive, use their resources to restore order in the unit entrusted to them.

By the way, where did the opinion come from that literally every second citizen of the North Caucasus who served in Armenia subsequently adjoins the militants? Obviously, this information is at the level of gossip, since no statistics on this issue have been made public. And based on speculation - at least naive. And, by the way, for some reason, few people remember that it was Dagestani residents in 1999 who actively resisted the spreading infection of international terrorism in their republic, actually standing shoulder to shoulder with the Russian soldiers, stopping the terrible tendency of rejection of the Caucasus from Russia.

It turns out that a complete rejection of the Caucasian appeal is the direct push of the Caucasian youth on the path to extremism. Therefore, the resumption of conscription of recruits from the same Dagestan can be considered a truly positive moment.
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  1. omsbon
    omsbon April 22 2013 08: 03 New
    68
    Where officers, platoon and company commanders perform their duties, there is no time for soldiers to engage in all sorts of bullshit like "bullying".
    And I also think that the army should not have diasporas on a national basis.
    1. ultra
      ultra April 22 2013 08: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      Where officers, platoon and company commanders perform their duties, there is no time for soldiers to engage in all sorts of bullshit like "bullying".

      good good good
      1. Shawnee
        Shawnee April 22 2013 23: 10 New
        +1
        Yes, and make snipers out of them. AIM EXCELLENT for “Czechs” and “Dag”.
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 22 2013 08: 38 New
      23
      "... the highlight of the draft campaign that has been launched in Russia is the increase in the draft quota for Dagestani youth ..."
      Sorry, but this is a real circus! belay what are the quotas? what are you talking about? a young man of military age is obliged to serve in the army (provided that there are no restrictions on health). and so that there is no talk that "... they (the Dagestanis) are supposedly the main unit that degrades discipline in the troops ...", I propose to think about "where the legs grow from" in the current situation (by the way, it concerns not only Dagestanis, but the army in overall)
      - the easier the service, the stronger the tendency to discipline violations (when everyone is busy with their official duties "up to the neck" there is simply no time for violations);
      - forgot about the mission of foremen in units. he is primarily responsible for proper service by soldiers, military discipline, internal order, and only then for the safety of property, etc .;
      and the army is also a reflection of changes in society. society has changed - the army has changed. apparently changed the people who came to the army. After all, discipline in the army rests not only on the charter, but also on such relationships as friendship, camaraderie, support, mentoring. And when people who were not capable of these feelings came to the army, army discipline collapsed. in general, of course, it looks like what's happening in the whole country ...
      1. Russian
        Russian April 22 2013 09: 29 New
        +5
        Maybe of course there are few such cases, but they are. Here's how to bring up children in the Caucasus:


        1. Naval
          Naval April 22 2013 13: 04 New
          12
          And what prevents us from raising children in a patriotic spirit? Let without desire to kill a neighbor, but with firm confidence. that the Motherland must be loved and protected.
        2. Anti
          Anti April 23 2013 19: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          Here's how to bring up children in the Caucasus


          narcotics, debil asks in advance, specially for this, prepared child, just, why all under one comb? A video was made by hostile Russia forces.
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      2. washi
        washi April 22 2013 16: 12 New
        +8
        I agree with both hands.
        But .. Now there are no official methods of influence on l / s. guardhouse, disbath canceled. Non-official methods of influence - delayed dismissal, a crack is not applicable in modern conditions (prosecutor's office, committee of soldiers' mothers, etc.) How to educate a doctor who is nonsense? But Caucasians respect only power?
        The lieutenants are stupid and know nothing and are afraid of everything.
    3. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF April 22 2013 09: 40 New
      +6
      An unoccupied soldier is almost a deserter.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 22 2013 09: 54 New
      25
      No need to simplify.
      1. As a result of reformism and some imbalance (from spiritual to material) in the minds of our people, the quality of the officers is currently very mediocre.
      Yes, even without real authority.
      2. There was no sergeant corps, and no.
      3. Diasporas do not ask us if they should be in the army or not.
      4. "to give the opportunity to send your military duty to any Russian male citizen" is a fundamentally rotten statement. Send natural needs, but must serve worthy and of course, potential fighters not infected with the nationalism virus.
      5. The bail of the elders is in the kindergarten. Did the elders in Chechnya help a lot? Question to whom ...
      A serviceman is an adult man who must be responsible for his actions, not the elders.
      "If from the military unit in which the conscripted young man is serving, a complaint is received about hazing with colleagues that this soldier allows, then the guarantor must immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out what happened on the spot, help the commanders to rein in the soldier. " This is a tragicomedy and insanity of people far from the army reality. What the hell do you need such commanders who need some kind of "guarantor" to "rein in" the villain?
      And why is this villain in the army?
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS April 22 2013 10: 27 New
        11
        In the 95th, having returned from a business trip to Chechnya in the barracks, we found a young replenishment from Dagestan that served 4-5 months. the situation was expected, the Dagestanis were the majority and no one was in charge of them put things in order in a few days, and without any non-statutory relations, but they simply convinced that they couldn’t behave like that. They chose adequate Dagestanis. there was no further know. Yes, before that, they tried to distribute these same Dagestanis in Chechnya, but either they refused to fight against the Chechen brothers, or the commanders refused them.
        1. washi
          washi April 22 2013 16: 16 New
          +3
          Dagi Chechens do not like. Therefore, with great pleasure we would go to avenge centuries-old raids.
          1. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu April 22 2013 20: 24 New
            +3
            What raids, Vasya? Yes, it turns out centuries-old)) where I read about it? Share, I also want to read smile
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 22 2013 21: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Lakkuchu
              What raids, Vasya? Yes, it turns out centuries-old)) where I read about it? Share, I also want to read smile

              And you didn’t know ?? ah ah ah, Vasya knows, but you don’t))
              Yes, he probably does not know that Dagestan is a very broad concept and the attitude of Chechens is also different and has different specifics, with Kuamyks, Avars, Dargins, etc.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 22 February 2017 17: 16 New
                +1
                There is no such thing in the army and in life for a long time. If there are Slavs, then the Caucasians are "friends" against them, and they are mustaches. If there are no Slavs, then fraternity is already beginning. It was several years after 99 when the Dagi did not like the Chechens very much, but the CAUCASUS RULIT won anyway)
                Yes, here, in fact, life itself determined everything. Strengths are always drawn to strong, if most Russians cannot stand up for themselves, for a comrade, then what can I say.
          2. salman5151
            salman5151 April 22 2013 20: 37 New
            +3
            Stop, bro! Dagi and Chechens did not raid each other. At least on a scale that would speak of this as a phenomenon.
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    5. itr
      itr April 22 2013 10: 23 New
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      I fundamentally disagree with you. Where in the company (and mainly motorized rifle) 50% of Dagestanis. No one will do anything. Only a stick can solve this problem
      1. POBEDA
        POBEDA 23 July 2013 21: 11 New
        +2
        Why form companies in such a way that there were 50% of national minorities? If the call from Dagestan is 800 people, then why can not they be scattered in 800 different parts? And that’s it. 1 dag on rf is a solution to the problem. When they are alone, they are quiet and cowardly.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 22 February 2017 17: 21 New
        +2
        This suggests that the officers are cowardly and have nit punishment mechanisms.
        It is necessary as in a normal army. Sent an officer and his order, lip. Another razbat. Plant until the rest are caught by someone older than the OFFICER and the imaginary "Caucasian pride".
        Only no one will do this otherwise the Caucasians will raise the howls that they are spread rot in the army across the nat. featured. This has been tested many times.
    6. j9qq6
      j9qq6 April 22 2013 11: 01 New
      +2
      Keep good
    7. gosha1970
      gosha1970 April 22 2013 13: 11 New
      +3
      The words are certainly correct. But you probably didn’t fall in service (if you served, of course). And those who put you a bunch of pluses, this problem is also unfamiliar.
      1. lecturer
        lecturer April 22 2013 14: 05 New
        +6
        I suggest, firstly, NOT in a bunch of one "point", but "piece by piece" at different points, companies, ... places. Second, to punish "distributors" or guides with a ruble ...! Third, make sure that there is a complete Russian international at all points.
      2. itr
        itr April 22 2013 14: 09 New
        +2
        served 96-98 and the problem is very familiar to me. The Caucasus only recognizes power. And the Russians are breaking fast. this is sad. from the beginning I studied and then in the North Ossetia Alania, the problem was acute. there was no decision. so gosha1970 you are wrong.
        1. dentitov
          dentitov April 24 2013 00: 22 New
          +3
          That’s the problem - RUSSIAN YOUTH SHITS NOW. We were stronger than those drunk and smoked nerds. And they dishonor Russia now.
          Of course, a trained Caucasian chaos will break these skinny rotten mom's computer sons.
    8. beech
      beech April 22 2013 13: 57 New
      +5
      why do Russians get along without problems with Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs ... but they can’t do with Dagestanis ?? Of course, you don’t have to do so that half the company would be equipped with Dagi. Russia is big, the army, respectively ... scatter these 800 hours across the country and know the problems.
      1. washi
        washi April 22 2013 16: 18 New
        +5
        The Caucasians are uniting, and the others alone, unfortunately,.
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    9. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 22 2013 14: 28 New
      11
      Hazing is only where the commander quietly encourages this, so that he himself does not bother. It’s possible to restore order simply if there was a desire.
      1. washi
        washi April 22 2013 16: 21 New
        0
        I agree. If the other platoon commanders, company commander, and battalion commander all support this. Otherwise, you can fly under the prosecutor.
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 22 February 2017 17: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Hazing is only where the commander quietly encourages this, so that he himself does not bother.

        Hazing is when DED (for life) of the young "educates." In Caucasians, however, fraternity where there is no concept of grandfather or youth. They "educate" on nat. sign or physical strength.
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      1. washi
        washi April 22 2013 16: 24 New
        0
        It was. In the early 90s, they even tried to slope (quit ahead of schedule). They were beaten by everyone. Traitors.
    11. vjhbc
      vjhbc April 23 2013 01: 51 New
      +4
      where do the officers if there are no men among the Russian soldiers, a couple of dugs keeps 100 Russians at bay children need to be brought up normally and not suckers and sissies what kind of upbringing will the little boy disheveled at him immediately all the mothers and grandmothers what happened, he got into a fight and it starts yes you yes so it’s impossible yes you will grow up a gangster and if this happens next time we will punish you don’t play with them and run away from them that’s the problem and I don’t remember the name of the phenomenon that is now called 18 years old Character of match 15 years 40 years ago so it is necessary to increase the Russian military age to 21 years
      Quote: omsbon
      Where officers, platoon and company commanders perform their duties, there is no time for soldiers to engage in all sorts of bullshit like "bullying".
      And I also think that the army should not have diasporas on a national basis.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 22 February 2017 17: 36 New
        0
        Quote: vjhbc
        where do the officers, if there are no men among the Russian soldiers, a couple of dugs keep 100 Russians in fear

        This is a lie)) There is no such anywhere, only in the rollers on the pipe. Russians were initially divided into the norms of boys and bastards. Bastards spread rot all, but most of all Caucasians. That's all. It usually looks like this. Russian strong guys stay in their circle, also bending the weak and not touching Caucasians. The weak can not unite. to protect yourself. Just like in life. It’s just that the Russians don’t understand that the Caucasians are humiliating the soldiers precisely on the nat. sign, not term of service and authority.
    12. Dejavu
      Dejavu April 23 2013 03: 54 New
      +1
      The funniest thing about bullying begins after "Company, hang up!", And not in the afternoon when the fathers of the commanders perform their duties. I served in 2006 and in a good unit, and there were enough sergeants who thought they were colonels.

      Once I read an interview with a lieutenant who was fighting bullying. He just stayed overnight in the company, and during the day he really just "performed his duties" and everything fell into place. But alas, not every company commander will stay overnight. Perhaps something has changed over the past 6 years, but in 2006, the "spirits" slept with a disturbing sleep.

      We did not have Dagestanis, but in the military. hospital where lay with chickenpox were. They immediately began to bend their fingers and frighten the local hospital population. Fortunately, there were a couple of guys who served in special forces units (it seems), they quickly explained to them in the toilet how to behave and became quiet.
    13. dentitov
      dentitov April 24 2013 00: 18 New
      +1
      There will be no problems with the dugs if our Russian boobies before the army do not masturbate for computers, but spend time in gyms. And in the army itself they will unite and establish a normal order on the basis of equality and fraternity.
      This also applies to officers.
      And then the Caucasian beast will not have the strength to yap - they will simply be crushed.
    14. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 21 February 2017 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      Where officers, platoon and company commanders carry out their duties,

      There are still unit commanders who are required to institute criminal proceedings against criminals. And this happens rarely, under pressure from above. So the company and platoon commanders work with all sorts of scum that should have been in prison for a long time. They work until they kill someone or cripple. Well then, yes, a criminal case is opened immediately.
  2. smart ass
    smart ass April 22 2013 08: 04 New
    11
    I am for the Dagov’s call for service, but so that they serve in parts on their land, or send to all parts throughout Russia, so that they do not pile up together.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 08: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      that they serve in parts on their land

      there are not so many troops needed, how many military resources they have.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 22 2013 08: 29 New
      14
      Are they citizens of Russia? Yes. So should serve.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 April 22 2013 23: 27 New
        +5
        If you put a 23-year-old, with higher education, literate Dagestan, who has authority among his fellow countrymen, for example, a castle platoon, then there will be no outrage and lawlessness in the platoon.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 24 2013 07: 02 New
          -2
          It remains to find Doug with a higher education! business then!
      2. gdv
        gdv 2 August 2014 20: 53 New
        0
        so let them serve in Dagestan, no one forbids
  3. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet April 22 2013 08: 14 New
    12
    I certainly do not suffer from racial prejudices, but each nation has its own "ugly". In my city, most of them behave disgustingly, it is a shame that they do not respect our country and the remnants of its culture.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 April 22 2013 08: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      ... that they do not respect our country and the remnants of its culture ...

      Dagestan is a part of our country.
      Calling the Dagas into the aria will make it possible to more closely introduce them to Russian culture.
      We have enough mouths to distribute them evenly without knocking them into "flocks."
      The educational role of the commanders has not been canceled.
      1. Vrungel78
        Vrungel78 April 22 2013 08: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        Calling the Dagas into the aria will make it possible to more closely introduce them to Russian culture.


        I agree with you on everything except the highlighted phrase. Rather, the opposite will happen: they will hate our culture even more.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 22 2013 09: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Vrungel78
          ... they will hate our culture even more ...

          And it will depend on who will represent it.
          Russian civilization has absorbed many peoples into itself and many peoples speak and think Russian in Russian. Experience in this matter is available. If we want Dagestan to remain within our borders, we should not push them away. Having returned home, they will be our guides, but which guides it depends on the fathers of the commanders.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 April 22 2013 09: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            I agree., except for the selected phrase. Rather, the opposite will happen: they will hate our culture even more.
            - Vladimir, I do not agree, at a subconscious level, culture, although not enough, will be copied.


            Quote: Boris55
            If we want Dagestan to remain within our borders, we should not push it away.
            - here it is clear that a person is not averse to reflect.
            1. Vrungel78
              Vrungel78 April 22 2013 09: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              - Vladimir, I do not agree, at a subconscious level, culture, although not enough, will be copied.


              For a year of service in the army, nothing is copied. And, in general, why copy something. Dagestan has its own culture, we have our own. The main thing is that there should be no conflict, let’s say, between two cultures. And this is the task of the Kyrgyz Republic, KV, along with combat training.
              1. washi
                washi April 22 2013 16: 33 New
                +2
                Sorry, what is the difference between your culture and the Caucasus at the moment? The basic principles used to be consistent. The public is higher than the personal. The people above all.
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. April 22 2013 12: 09 New
              +3
              - Vladimir, I do not agree, at a subconscious level, culture, although not enough, will be copied


              I will allow myself to add, everything is learned by comparison, and if a person is sane and capable of self-education, then he will automatically absorb the positive aspects of any culture, although it may not immediately affect the inertia of thinking and contradictions with the prevailing worldview and the influence of relatives. Yours faithfully
        2. Maximus
          Maximus April 22 2013 09: 35 New
          -5
          Dagi as Indians are not assimilated.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 April 22 2013 09: 48 New
            +8
            Assimilation is optional. It is enough to observe the constitution and respect a friendly ethnos.
          2. Vrungel78
            Vrungel78 April 22 2013 10: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Maximus
            Dagi as Indians are not assimilated.

            If you are 15 years old, then I will say that you are poorly raised by your parents. But I see that you have used the word "assimilation", respectively, you are older. Then you are just an idiot.
            1. Maximus
              Maximus April 22 2013 10: 26 New
              +5
              Assimilation is needed not to make Russians out of all, but simply to know and respect the Law, and there’s a bit of tradition to begin with.
              But to be rude to Vrungel78 is not good, your parents should have explained to you in childhood.
          3. ultra
            ultra April 22 2013 16: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Maximus
            Dagi as Indians are not assimilated.

            fool fool
          4. washi
            washi April 22 2013 16: 34 New
            +2
            Jews are the most difficult to assimilate, but there are Jews -Russian nationalists.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 22 2013 08: 51 New
      +5
      And in your city and in any other, they behave like pigs! First you need to turn them into people, and then into the army, and not vice versa as now.
      1. Forget
        Forget April 22 2013 08: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: Heccrbq
        First you need to turn them into people

        but this requires the industrialization of the Caucasus, coupled with education ..
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 22 2013 09: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Forget
          but this requires the industrialization of the Caucasus, coupled with education ..

          So who is stopping them from learning and building factories?
        2. Maximus
          Maximus April 22 2013 09: 40 New
          11
          In the Union they invested in Central Asia, and now in the North Caucasus. Maybe in the Tver region, too, they can start buzzing and blowing up, so that the Russian regions begin to subsidize the same amount as the Caucasus? Are we appeasing them, or is it such a form of payment of tribute?
          1. I'm Russian
            I'm Russian April 22 2013 14: 49 New
            +3
            Correct solution! let all the Russian regions rage! And cities like Grozny will be rebuilt.
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. April 22 2013 15: 48 New
              +3
              You guys, if the Russians start buzzing and God forbid, they don’t calm down until all the Napoleons outweigh. yes
              1. I'm Russian
                I'm Russian April 22 2013 21: 53 New
                +2
                I don’t know what about the Napoleons, but Tolikov, Dimanov and other Khristenko and Livanov must definitely be pulled up!
                1. Ivan.
                  Ivan. April 23 2013 23: 09 New
                  +1
                  The hunting season for Napoleons is just around the corner and what are their nicknames for me deeply ...
      2. washi
        washi April 22 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        These nonhumans, in accordance with your statement, defended our common homeland and did not receive German saboteurs, unlike the Chechens. How do you allow them to behave in relation to yourself, then get it. If EVERYTHING is sold for money in your community, then what kind of self-respect do you want? Buy power, buy your girls. These are YOU corrupt sheep and cows. What respect for livestock can be.
        1. dmb
          dmb April 22 2013 18: 52 New
          +2
          You are absolutely right. I know the Avar Gamzatov, the Abkhaz Gulia, the Chechen Nuradilov, the Insush Yevkurov. I know how they have enriched my homeland. But what the gentleman with the hard-to-pronounce nickname "Heccrbg" enriched her with, except for the stupidity he wrote above, I have no idea. Can someone tell me where you can get acquainted with the deeds of this outstanding figure for the glory of the Fatherland.
  4. UFO
    UFO April 22 2013 08: 15 New
    +5
    In my opinion, it is impossible to do this in the current realities, why strain the interethnic situation in the Armed Forces. Gathered to arrange some kind of "kindergarten" with supervising elders. As long as there is no national ideology, the army will not become a "melting pot", and if you do, as in the States, "first, break the psyche, and then rebuild it" a lot of blood will be shed, and again - on what basis, there is no "base"! “For now, if they want to keep a weapon, let them go to the police department, OMON; how many guys from Russia can die in the clashes in Dagestan. hi
    1. SSR
      SSR April 22 2013 10: 25 New
      +7
      And since respect for elders in the Caucasus is an indisputable truth, then such a measure will bring the army education of Dagestan conscripts to an acceptable level. At least that is exactly what legislators in Dagestan believe.

      IMHA. the elders do not need to come anywhere, the recruit is enough to know .. that there are three violations .. a kick in the ass and a letter to the native recruiting office that the recruit does not correspond to "quality" and that the military registration and enlistment office is a minus for poor work in the selection of recruits.
      It is worth noting that the Dagestan military draft itself has substantially transformed. Now, according to local military commissariats, serve only the best of the best are selected.

      But I completely agree with this .. it should be so .... in a public environment it should be
      - served?
      - no, I didn’t serve.
      - aah, I see.
      and then life itself will show ... why did not serve.

      - morally crude
      - addict
      - couch potato
      - the glamorous major.
      - "health" is weak. (not an athlete)
      (who has health for one reason or another ..
      I sincerely wish to recover and recover)
      damn .. I can’t summarize a simple thought (((
  5. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 22 2013 08: 16 New
    +6
    There is a committee of soldiers' mothers ... now there will also be a committee of Dagestan elders.
    the so-called guardianship groups that will directly monitor the recruit service

    Addresses, passwords, appearances will be recorded in the military ID card?
    And this is a kind of corruption market,

    What is the corruption market? Nobody canceled the freedom of movement, and registration at the place of residence is absolutely free if you find someone to provide you with housing.
    From now on, a mandatory requirement for a Dagestan conscript is not only excellent health, but also the presence of a “higher education applicant” with recommendations from teachers of the university in which he studied.

    I approve it, but it is necessary to extend it to all of Russia.
    some fathers-commanders cannot, excuse me, use their resources to restore order in the unit entrusted to them.

    the fathers of the commanders of the resources only reprimand and severe reprimand, for which conscripts are absolutely parallel, a blow to the tambourine is a criminal offense.
  6. Alex45
    Alex45 April 22 2013 08: 17 New
    +7
    The guys from the North Caucasus must serve. Otherwise, it turns out that all the guys serving in the army now are deliberately exposed as squishies and bunks. Their native state deliberately tells them - "You are helpless, you cannot stick together, you cannot fight back. An evil Dagestani will come to your company and all the other nationalities of the khan at once" And so without calling these "monsters" we protect you fighters and defenders of the homeland from your peers and residents of the same country as you. "
    In short, the state does not have to make cowards out of guys not Caucasians - this is not true.
    It is necessary to make sure that all over Russia people aspire to the army as well as those guys who pay money for the right to serve in the Russian army.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 08: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: Alex45
      Otherwise, it turns out that all the guys serving in the army are now deliberately put up with squishies and dies.

      That is, you propose to respond to the Caucasian lawlessness with Russian terror?
      Rivers of blood will spill.
      It’s easier not to allow those who knowingly don't want to serve under the Charter to serve!
      1. ultra
        ultra April 22 2013 08: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        It’s easier not to allow those who knowingly don't want to serve under the Charter to serve!
        It's easier to MAKE everyone live according to the charter!
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 22 2013 08: 54 New
          +8
          Quote: ultra
          It's easier to MAKE everyone live according to the charter!

          Crimes and offenses are easier to prevent than to rake their consequences.
          What would REQUEST REAL LEGAL leverage. Violated - really punished. He went into the army - returned from prison - this will be a good example for regular draftees and an incentive to serve under the Charter.
      2. Akatsubasa
        Akatsubasa April 22 2013 09: 00 New
        +8
        Why do we need soldiers for whom the law of the mountains is higher than the constitution?
      3. Alex45
        Alex45 April 22 2013 09: 55 New
        +4

        antiaircrafter

        I do not propose terror. I’m trying to show what it looks like now that it seems like the state gives the 18 summer boys the opportunity to spend the whole year in the army protecting them from the Caucasians, that is, you guys 1 year of freedom from the Caucasians, you will see around the Slavs, Tatars, etc. And through excuse me for a year, or go to a citizen where you still meet with a Caucasian, or go to a contract and a few more years, we will protect you from contacts with aggressive highlanders. Some insanity.
        If for some reason we do not allow certain nationalities to serve in the army, then it may be that some other nationalities are forbidden to sow wheat (for example, some quick-tempered and others slow), we’ll forbid to catch another fish, because the percentage of drowned during fishing is the majority of their nationality.
        All the same, we need us to live according to the same laws and apply them to all equally.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 22 2013 10: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex45
          the state gives 18 summer boys the opportunity to spend a whole year in the army protecting them from Caucasians

          The state does not protect against Caucasians, but does not allow Caucasian lawlessness in the army.
  7. Denis
    Denis April 22 2013 08: 22 New
    +7
    In no case should the Dagestanis be allowed to serve in the Russian army, since they are supposedly the main link in the army
    The commander decides everything. If the commander r ... then he and the Baptists will smoke and thump
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K April 22 2013 12: 54 New
      0
      And what are the commander’s powers today? Lip venuli?
  8. Best novel
    Best novel April 22 2013 08: 29 New
    12
    Honestly, the news that the Dagestanis do not serve really was news to me. That's what flirting with the republics has already reached. The fact that raising militants and terrorists, in my opinion, is complete nonsense - AK and F1 they know from childhood, but they service in the Navy or the Air Force, or in the tank forces, it is problematic to apply skills in the mountains. Guarantors are generally a great idea! Moms, guarantors, parental committees, but where are the officers? And as an option, he wants to serve, but does not want to serve according to the charter, to drive with the shameful stigma "I was early dismissed from the Army for incompetence", and so that with this article, not only to get a job as a shepherd, this may already apply to conscripts of any nationality.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 08: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Roman Best
      option-wants to serve, but does not want to serve in accordance with the charter-drive with the shameful stigma "From the Army ahead of schedule dismissed for professional incompetence," and so that with this article, not only as a shepherd in the civil service, not get settled.

      That's right !!!
    2. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 22 2013 09: 31 New
      +2
      Such a black mark will work much better than any censure. But then again, the controllers will also need control) As if laundering such newly introduced black tags would not become a business)
  9. Crang
    Crang April 22 2013 08: 39 New
    17
    I didn’t like the article. Obviously tendentious and one-sided. Here's an example of this:
    that Dagestanis should in no case be allowed to serve in the Russian army, since they are supposedly the main unit of discipline in the army
    Yeah - these are only Russian bandits and criminals, and the Dagestanis are just "corrupting discipline" and "not observing the charter" right? These guys, in addition to the obvious manifestation of ethnic hatred towards the Russians, are committing in the army criminal offenses, and serious. Such for which the Soviet Union would be shot, and in today's Russia should at least give a real term. What is only worth the case when a group of people from the Caucasus collectively urinated on a monument to the Soviet soldiers liberators. But instead, as we see, this is what happens:
    at local district military registration and enlistment offices, it was decided to create so-called guardianship groups that will directly monitor the service of recruits called up by this particular military enlistment office. The Dagestan authorities, and, in particular, the interim head of the republic, Ramazan Abdulatipov, report that local elders, representatives of municipal authorities, spiritual leaders, as well as the parents of some conscripts, are being introduced into trustee (surety) groups. The work of such groups is reportedly reduced to the following: for each conscript from Dagestan, a person responsible for him from the board of trustees is assigned. One person in charge may be responsible for several recruits. If from the military unit in which the called-up young man is serving, a complaint will be received about the irregular relations with colleagues that this soldier admits, then the surety should immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out the place in what happened, help the commanders restrain the fighter.
    At the same time, representatives of the Dagestan authorities say that in this way it is easy to get the arrogance from a conscript who decided to follow the path of hazing. The reason is that for a Dagestan young man, coming to the place of service of a respected person from his own city (village) for reprobation will be, if not a shame, then a rather serious shock. And since respect for the elders in the Caucasus is an indisputable truth, such a measure will make it possible to bring the army education of Dagestan conscripts to an acceptable level.

    You see? Prisons, police - that's everything for the Russians. Almost wrong - by the horns and into the slammer. But for the sons of the Caucasus for the same act - "trusteeship groups". Great huh? The policy of a double standard and the infringement of the Russian nation is evident. Output. Or provide absolutely equal and equal rights and freedoms for soldiers of all nationalities and punish the same offenses equally (even Dagestanis). Well, if they cannot provide this basic principle of democracy, then one has to sadly admit that Serdyukov’s decision not to draft Dagestanis into the army was absolutely correct. At least he did something right.
    1. I'm Russian
      I'm Russian April 22 2013 14: 59 New
      +8
      Unfortunately, cosmopolitans have been infringing us Russians since 1917. This (in their opinion) so that Great-Power chauvinism would not develop in our country. And now, in a country (not ours), a mechanism has been launched to destroy Russians without war.
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 April 22 2013 08: 51 New
    +3
    If there is a mess in the country so far, then the army will also have a mess
  11. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver April 22 2013 08: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    That is, you propose to respond to the Caucasian lawlessness with Russian terror?

    No, why terror? You can just wait until the Dagestanis who have served military service settle for a bribe (after all, they are used to solving issues for grandmas) to work in the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB of Russia (again, under the supervision of elders). Not a civil service will be, but some kind of booth. And why are they not drawn to peaceful professions? Suspiciously.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 09: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      No, why terror?

      Here I come to that - either serve according to the Charter, or - fuck from the beach ... to the mouth of the Fatherland of the sheep.
  12. Forest
    Forest April 22 2013 08: 54 New
    +7
    "trusteeship groups" -will follow the conscripts from Dagestan as the diasporas "follow" their fellow countrymen - ie. in any case, they try to shield them.
    Another fiction and semblance of work, and on the eve of the impending "Arab spring" is also criminal.
  13. Canep
    Canep April 22 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    That there would be no problems with the appeal, it is enough to introduce benefits: interest-free mortgage, free higher (for conscripts and those who have served), and to pay maternal capital to fathers and mothers if they served in the army (patients will multiply less, no matter how cynical it sounds). Allow serving girls. Then the military commissar will have to hide from the recruits.
  14. do not burn bonfires
    do not burn bonfires April 22 2013 08: 57 New
    +7
    We must think how to interest our guys so that they do not mow, the army constantly discredits itself. And as to the fact that they (Dagestanis) are citizens of our country, it is only us (Russians) who think so, and they (Dagestanis) do not think so. Although how to twist it is a gangster people, and they have a mess in their blood.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 22 2013 09: 53 New
      +4
      Yes, it is true for the Dagov. Dagestan is not Russia, they are like parasites, they only need money from the center, but what is the return?
      1. UFO
        UFO April 22 2013 10: 14 New
        10
        Quote: Maximus
        Yes, it is true for the Dagov. Dagestan is not Russia, they are like parasites, they only need money from the center, but what is the return?

        I don't quite agree. Think about why they do not have a job, high-tech industries? The head of "Polymethyall" Alisher Usmanov, instead of pumping money into "Anji", cannot, perhaps create a production of solar batteries in Dagestan ?! Do they have no sand or sun? And the oligarchs Magomedovs, is it difficult to establish the production of denim clothes instead of Chinese consumer goods or leather? No, bl ... b, everyone wants to milk the natural resources of Russia and that's it, on their own people - they don't give a shit!
        1. Maximus
          Maximus April 22 2013 10: 31 New
          +3
          This is a problem of the state, not of the Dagestani oligarchs ... It is easier to milk what is ready than to invest in something and wait for years to get a return.
          1. UFO
            UFO April 22 2013 10: 52 New
            +1
            And what about personal social responsibility, where is their inherent kinship and clan ties? !!! All "blame the state" - a smart-ass position, because these people have plenty of opportunities. hi
            1. Maximus
              Maximus April 22 2013 12: 56 New
              0
              The state headed by our leaders "is obliged to quietly hint" to the Dagestani oligarchs that, in simple terms, they need to develop their region, and not you and me here. But our authorities apparently do not need this ...
              1. UFO
                UFO April 22 2013 14: 06 New
                0
                I agree with this. drinks
  15. Rustiger
    Rustiger April 22 2013 09: 05 New
    +4
    Once on the net I came across an article in which one of the Caucasian "respected figures" urged his animals by all auls "to join the ranks of the racial army." He motivated by the fact that "there you will be taught at the expense of the Russians to keep weapons, to use military equipment, to provide uniforms, and even to be fed. You will return" home "already trained soldiers who are able to competently" resist "the Russians while" developing new lands for your clans. " Not a word about the signing of further contracts after the deadline, as well as the protection of RUSSIA in the event of any international conflicts!
    What does this mean? That the Chuchmeks are being processed already in families, ideas are already being recruited for the creation in the future of all kinds of "jamaats" there, even "Kuban", even "Volga", even "St. Petersburg".
    And Russian taxpayers themselves pay for the education and military training of potential invaders.

    For kapkaz army - YES, combat units with weapons - NO.
    In the best case, "stroy.bats", "med.bats". No "special divisions" and service on equipment !!!
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 April 22 2013 11: 01 New
      15
      Um ... I, the guy with the capcaza, will be just happy to serve RUSSIA, to protect it, from all adversities, at the cost of life. And it’s okay, if by default I’ll be considered a chummek ... I would be offended, but when I remember the similar evil idiots of fellow countrymen .., there remains only a feeling of impending threat ...
      1. UFO
        UFO April 22 2013 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        I, the guy from the capcaza, will be just happy to serve RUSSIA, to protect it,

        But then you must correctly understand that because of a few like you, Russia should not train at its own expense "a bunch of future, possible militants." Why "such hemorrhoids on the head" with your own hands? request
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 22 2013 14: 17 New
          +3
          If people like me are a minority, then the statement is completely true. But are there fewer of us?
          1. lecturer
            lecturer April 22 2013 14: 32 New
            +3
            Error again! An 18-year-old boy is not yet an established person, WHILE STILL "plasticine". And good military and patriotic training will make YOUR choice. EXAMPLE: Young people (!) Marry, as usual, in the same years AND THEIR family life goes on: IF WITHOUT parental involvement, THEN in love and harmony (two solve difficulties), AND IF with parents ... - all the jokes "about mother-in-law " FROM THEM!
          2. UFO
            UFO April 22 2013 16: 24 New
            0
            What do you think yourself? This is hardly a question, or rather not a question for the indigenous people of Russia, who every day encounter "newcomers from the Caucasus." hi
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 April 22 2013 18: 13 New
              +5
              A difficult question ... I see our situation as follows: in Dagestan, the vast majority of the population prefers cultural and mental tolerance towards the rest of Russia and its peoples. I think problems with Dagestan will arise only if our religion (traditional) is suppressed. Let's be honest - more important than Russia, more important than ourselves, for us only our faith in God. If Moscow, as before, manages not to destroy this particular value of ours, then the vast majority of the population of Dagestan, in a civilizational sense, will strive for the rest of Russia.

              Quote: UFO
              or rather, not a question for the indigenous people of Russia, who every day encounter "newcomers from the Caucasus"
              - and who are they, the indigenous people of Russia ??? I see it strange that you are opposing the concepts of "Caucasus" and "indigenous people of Russia" ... ??? ... I thought I was also a native of Russia .., and then I read your comment ... You might think that every Russian, every day, observes the criminal activities of the Caucasians. I think the situation with the Caucasian guys, gopniks, is really bad, but exaggerated for certain purposes, exactly one hundred! time. And in general, your flag worries me ...
              1. Kir
                Kir April 22 2013 23: 38 New
                +5
                I myself studied with the natives of Dagestan, I can’t say absolutely anything bad, and the gopniks are a common Russian misfortune that can only be solved together. rather than dividing into yours and others. and even if you divide it into citizens and ........ who have neither sex nor age nor nationality but just scum, and the trouble is more likely with the bodies and responsible and irresponsible slops that condone them, that’s with them First of all, we must wage a fierce struggle. And with regards to those who see people from the Caucasus as nonhumans, the question is, are they themselves who are idiots, provocateurs, or who else?
                So then there were no questions about what ethnic group I am Russian and I am proud of it !!! But for me, the Russians are also the same, and Mohammed Ali Tolboev, and the great G. Tukai and many others, but bulk, Udaltsov, Sakharov simply scum without nationality.
          3. zennon
            zennon April 22 2013 16: 58 New
            +1
            Unfortunately less. In addition, similar evil countrymen are better organized.
  16. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Recently I read a quote: Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But you can instill false values, and then they will defeat themselves. (c) Otto von Bismarck ".
    The most interesting thing is that he was right and a large bunch of people succumb to these very false values ​​and nationalism, one of them!
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 22 2013 09: 45 New
      +2
      Nationalism is, first of all, the love and loyalty of one’s nation, respect for the traditions and customs of one’s own nation. Knowledge of one’s native culture and history.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 22 2013 12: 20 New
      -1
      In the word nationalism, everyone puts their own meaning as in any other, if it can not be felt.
      1. Maximus
        Maximus April 22 2013 12: 59 New
        +3
        Putin once said that “Medvedev and I are nationalists in the good sense of the word” - I don’t remember exactly that. I wonder what meaning they put into the concept of nationalism?
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. April 22 2013 15: 56 New
          0
          Do not cite politicians as an example, they will never say something that is not profitable or goes against their plans, all the more senior leaders who are obliged to "filter their bazaar."
  17. Savva30
    Savva30 April 22 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    They want to serve the Motherland, pay their debt to it, let them serve, but at home in Dagestan. It is necessary to create a couple of Dagestan units. There is a lot of work there, there is someone to shoot at, there is someone to show your arrogance to. Let them show their bravado, for one they will clean their region of terrorists, and the board of trustees will appreciate all this, who should be rewarded, who should be punished. If the native of Dagestan lives in another region of Russia, it does not matter. He wanted to serve, got in touch with the military commissariat, the board of trustees of his city, etc., served on his land and return to his former place of residence, in any region of Russia. I understand that all the activities to suppress terror in the Caucasus will not be trusted. I agree. The Special Forces created will help them. Let them deal with the comprehensive support of special operations, the protection of settlements, etc.
    The existing situation can be curbed only by cutting off the Dagestanis from the main draft. No more. The fact that the commanders are to blame is complete nonsense, since there are superior commanders flirting with the diasporas and real cowards of our time, corrupt officials. I know examples when Dagestanis were fired for refusing to go on a business trip to Dagestan, but were later restored, by the decision of their superior ... There are many examples, too many. Statistics of criminal cases in this area are scary, statistics of real arbitrariness and a mess are terrifying.
    Shoigu made the wrong decision. Whether he will find courage and wisdom in himself to admit it, time will tell. At this time, the Dagestan appeal is a huge business in which officials, politicians, military leaders, diasporas, etc. participate.
    I know how to solve this all-gotten question:
    Inevitability of punishment, principle
    President of the Russian Federation V. Putin:

    “Only in a free and fair society can every law-abiding citizen have the right to demand reliable legal guarantees and state protection for himself. ‹...› Moreover, any transgressor should know that punishment is inevitable. ”

    (Message of 2005 of the year.) (WHAT TODAY IS THE YEAR, MEMORED ?????????????????????????????)))))))

    The principle of the inevitability of punishment means that any person who commits a crime is liable to punishment or other measures of criminally-legal influence provided for by criminal law. The meaning of the principle is that the inevitability of punishment is the best way to prevent crimes, the severity of punishment alone is not able to stop the offender.

    According to sociological studies, the question: “Why do you think people abide by the law?” 26, 6% of respondents answer: “Because the laws correspond to their moral convictions and upbringing,” 34, 3% - this is the reason for the approval of social discipline and order and 35, 1% - fear of punishment or other adverse consequences.

    Impunity of criminals entails the "getting used" of the population to commit crimes, especially domestic and economic, to reduce the overall level of moral demand, education in society (when more and more children dream of becoming bandits, killers), weakening intolerance of offenses and offenders.

    About three million crimes are registered annually in Russia.
    THERE IS SUCH CASES BROTHERS !!!
  18. artemiy
    artemiy April 22 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    It is necessary to call, and not to distribute in large groups into the troops with the largest number of Russians! Slowly become covered)
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 22 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      In one southeastern country, the apartment building is populated as a percentage of the nations living there, for example, 25% of Chinese in the country and 25% of the apartments in the house will be in the Chinese.
      Maybe in the army, something similar can be introduced, although I think 2 Dagestan fighters will keep a company of soldiers in fear, have they seen our conscripts? Especially from central Russia?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 22 2013 12: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Maximus
        saw our recruits? Especially from central Russia?

        Well, yes, the 80 trolls leveled with various magical castes))) Although behind the camp, oh, how they like to show off mom don’t worry, they’re called))
  19. Mitek
    Mitek April 22 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: omsbon
    Where officers, platoon and company commanders perform their duties, there is no time for soldiers to engage in all sorts of bullshit like "bullying".
    And I also think that the army should not have diasporas on a national basis.

    I agree with you, but I’ll add on my own that it’s more expensive to teach a potential enemy. In the part with intensive combat, I would not send them. Engineers are the maximum.
  20. Horn
    Horn April 22 2013 09: 31 New
    0
    We must say "thank you" to the Dagestanis and Chechens. Some Russians, albeit few today, are beginning to understand that they are slaughtering sheep. There are only 2 ways: a ram and a shepherd. You have to choose. And snot is in the "Committee of nulliparous mothers". By the way, I would not be surprised at all that its creation, like the creation of a negative image of the Russian army, was inspired by certain forces.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 10: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Horn
      There are only 2 ways: a ram and a shepherd.

      I see the third way - MAN !!!
  21. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Mitek
    Quote: omsbon
    Where officers, platoon and company commanders perform their duties, there is no time for soldiers to engage in all sorts of bullshit like "bullying".
    And I also think that the army should not have diasporas on a national basis.

    I agree with you, but I’ll add on my own that it’s more expensive to teach a potential enemy. In the part with intensive combat, I would not send them. Engineers are the maximum.

    In whom did you see the enemy there? Do not forget this is part of the Russian Federation, and they are its citizens!
  22. Kilgray
    Kilgray April 22 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    The problem of national diasporas in the army is not a problem of nationalities, but of the army itself. In general, where is our military police? Its parts began to be created back in 2010, and so what?
  23. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut April 22 2013 09: 41 New
    +5
    No gentlemen, not all Caucasians are louts and scum. And you ask how many heroes of the Soviet Union came from the Caucasus? And why is the city called Gadzhievo!
    And the Caucasians, the Baltic states, and Central Asia served in the Soviet army — and nothing, they served well. And among our recruits there are enough scum.
    One very wise old man said: "There is no bad nation, there are bad people."
    1. Akatsubasa
      Akatsubasa April 22 2013 09: 52 New
      +4
      A supra-religious ideological system existed in the Soviet Union. It also restrained the departure of religious leaders to the radical side. Yes, somewhere automatically, somewhere by censure, somewhere by aspiration, but at least it held back. Yes, the same Kantaria, which symbolically crowned the end of the Great Patriotic War with its action, was also not Russian. But then he fought - "For the Motherland!", And not to buy a new conventional iPhone or a conventional new Lexus model. And I can’t imagine the Dagestanis running into the attack shouting “Hurray!”, “For the Motherland!” ... Well, allah-akbar comes to my mind (
      1. zennon
        zennon April 22 2013 17: 07 New
        +2
        Yes, Kantaria fought for her homeland. But when it was time to take a pie from the shelf, they searched for KANTARIA for a long time, and not Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov ...
  24. pavlo007
    pavlo007 April 22 2013 09: 43 New
    +4
    The problem, starting with the Soviet regime, is precisely that the junior officers are unwilling / unable to strictly manage the team, shifting this to the so-called "self-organization of the team." Hence the hazing and fellowship.
    The problem can be solved only by the availability of an adequate junior officer corps and sergeant corps (I believe that no one will seriously consider this corps of Soviet sergeants and current).
    The main and only grandfather should be an authoritative, dominant sergeant, and for the American army, then the problem will disappear.
  25. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY April 22 2013 09: 43 New
    +1
    Conscripts from the Caucasus should serve in units not involved in combat training and as far from home as possible.
    1. POBEDA
      POBEDA 23 July 2013 21: 30 New
      0
      I agree, but what kind of parts are these? and what kind of troops is this? there’s no construction battalion ...
  26. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 09: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: pavlo007
    The problem, starting with the Soviet regime, is precisely that the junior officers are unwilling / unable to strictly manage the team, shifting this to the so-called "self-organization of the team." Hence the hazing and fellowship.
    The problem can be solved only by the availability of an adequate junior officer corps and sergeant corps (I believe that no one will seriously consider this corps of Soviet sergeants and current).
    The main and only grandfather should be an authoritative, dominant sergeant, and for the American army, then the problem will disappear.

    By the way, I do not like Americans, but their sergeants impress me!
  27. fartfraer
    fartfraer April 22 2013 09: 52 New
    +8
    from personal experience I will say that for Caucasians (Dagestanis, Ossetians, etc.), military service is an honorable duty, for me it was a shock (on the contract) when I learned that they also give bribes to call. We have a lot of young people "mowers" ( not all, but there is, this is a fact), and the Caucasians have the honor to serve. just don't need that this is "unemployment" in the Caucasus, in our company half were Dag, Dargins, Ossetians and Nogais. and most of them had work before the contract ( were even with "towers"). I was in Kazakhstan for work that year (I worked there for 3 months) - the mass of people remembered with warmth the Soviet army in which they had to serve. everyone with whom I spoke about this as one said about their friends-colleagues from Khabarovsk, Moscow, St. Petersburg or Baku), the USSR army was a "cauldron" in which nationalism melted and at the end received international friendship (well, at least I had this opinion). they say, the main thing is that the work of officers is at the level.
  28. Kazbek
    Kazbek April 22 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    The army itself needs to be put in order, then there will be no problems. For what salaries increased?
  29. dmitry46
    dmitry46 April 22 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    One Dagestani served with me, no big deal, he was a normal guy, really stupid because of his poor education. At first he tried to show his character, but the night "conversation" in a copter with two sergeants (CCM in boxing and CCM in judo) did the trick. He served like everyone else, although they did not let him get away from the equipment.
    A lot depends on our (Russian) soldiers. If the Dagis see themselves as a worthy adversary, they usually behave in a balanced manner, we must force our youth to engage in sports so that they are physically developed. And then you don’t look at the new recruits, 70% of the holes who have nothing to do with how to plump.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 22 2013 10: 13 New
      +7
      90% drischi! Sorry, but it’s so, it’s a shame for our .....
      From history; - Once, before the battle, a Persian was taken prisoner by the Macedonians, who said that the great army of many thousands of Darius was waiting for them, Alexander the Great ordered to undress the captive Persian, and what the Macedonians saw, they saw "drisha" but thousands of skinny, half-starved people "; this is of course a rough quote. Well, what happened to the army of Darius and with him everyone knows ...
    2. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer April 22 2013 11: 53 New
      +4
      Yeah, and if there would be three Dagestanis and everyone would have a CCM in boxing, who would explain to anyone in the captive? Why take deliberately defective human material into the army? It’s the same, if recruiting criminals there, after a long prison sentence and trying to build them into the army’s environment, it’s useless.
      1. dmitry46
        dmitry46 April 22 2013 13: 46 New
        0
        at least 10! there were 100 people in the company, 20-30 normal guys would have thrown off all sorts of whistles and whiners.
        But I'm not talking about that. And about the fact that the rest of the soldiers are simply afraid of the dugs, since they are weaker than them because on the civilian people dug and dugs were basically all athletes.
    3. SSR
      SSR April 22 2013 18: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: dmitry46
      And then you don’t look at the new recruits, 70% of the holes who have nothing to do with how to plump.

      Once I was lying in the hospital ..... the news is such an "elite")))
      Well, in general, there were many arrivals, and in the next room there was zema .. who served in the guard company as a healthy kid ... well, it’s boring in the evening, well, we are sitting in our lobby, so to speak .. we miss .. and then VV-shnik attracted attention .. cheerful guy .. meter with a cap, a goner Janik Feizov (he seemed to have forgotten the 96th year) and zema calls him to make fun, so to speak.
      In general, child 185/90 suggested jokingly fighting ... Dzhanik 161/56 ..
      Oil painting ...... they start to fight ... I look at the soil on the shoulder blades ... I think oh ... what I missed ..
      start on a new one .. he just picked it up and began to lay it on the shoulder blades at some point and went upstairs .. somersault and shmyak on the shoulder blades ... I put it mildly on the afig ... in general, after the 6th time ... I Grew, step back ... I'm now ....
      182/80 .... oh, after the 5th time, I was ready just to brute-force him .... lol I possessed elements of the struggle ... but how masterfully he did everything ....
      In general, the conversation started ... he was five minutes later the master of sports in wrestling laughed .. and began to look for new talents .... and yet * la found it on his own head ...
      the guy from the special forces Max 165/62 - we decided to arrange a sparring ... this "infection" with his heel on all ears on the forehead and on the back of my head sounded from all unthinkable positions laughing
      In general, then I already decided for myself ... do not look at the "dimensions")))
      In general, I’m what it is .... bite - bite discord)))
      PS
      as it showed the report 08.08.08
      there is a "drysh" sergeant scout drilled. next to the fighter was a Dagestani ...
      In general, they greyhound in places like the RMO WMO in general, where it is "warmer"
      I'm sorry that is clumsy))
  30. Ser 47RUS
    Ser 47RUS April 22 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Well, FIG knows ...
    Russians only scratch their tongues and thump in the evenings.
    To pretend to be a super "old man" for blueprint and to offend young people.
    And as at night, a schukher of any kind of damn it. There is nobody at once.
    One to sleep, the second, third: - I will smoke for now.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 22 2013 10: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Ser 47RUS
      Russians only scratch their tongues and thump in the evenings.
      To pretend to be super "grandfathers" by blueprint and to offend the young

      And you do not judge all by yourself.
  31. Adorofeev63
    Adorofeev63 April 22 2013 10: 17 New
    +6
    When I served me for 10 days "lips" only for a pocket radio announced the commander, and here for hazing grandfather will come with gingerbread and scold, the soldier will be very worried later.
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 22 2013 10: 36 New
      0
      I’m doing kindergarten from the army ...
  32. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: fartfraer
    from personal experience I will say that for Caucasians (Dagestanis, Ossetians, etc.), military service is an honorable duty, for me it was a shock (on the contract) when I learned that they also give bribes to call. We have a lot of young people "mowers" ( not all, but there is, this is a fact), and the Caucasians have the honor to serve. just don't need that this is "unemployment" in the Caucasus, in our company half were Dag, Dargins, Ossetians and Nogais. and most of them had work before the contract ( were even with "towers"). I was in Kazakhstan for work that year (I worked there for 3 months) - the mass of people remembered with warmth the Soviet army in which they had to serve. everyone with whom I spoke about this as one said about their friends-colleagues from Khabarovsk, Moscow, St. Petersburg or Baku), the USSR army was a "cauldron" in which nationalism melted and at the end received international friendship (well, at least I had this opinion). they say, the main thing is that the work of officers is at the level.

    +100500 to your every word
  33. newcomer
    newcomer April 22 2013 10: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Maximus
    although I think 2 Dagestan fighters will keep a company of soldiers in fear, have we seen our conscripts? Especially from central Russia?

    when I served on the ship, we had 2 dags (fighters, by the way) and they did not allow themselves any kind of greyhound, as befits the "crucians" were engaged in tidying 3 times a day and all other work without exception. and no one was spreading rot, they were sociable and sincere guys. Some of my acquaintances were unlucky enough to find themselves in the opposite situation, and they spent their years of service in an ethnic minority in a barracks with Dag or Chechens. They recall their "service" as a nightmare on elm street ... but after such service "tolerance" and other nonsense about the brotherhood of peoples disappear forever ...
  34. Smol79
    Smol79 April 22 2013 10: 44 New
    +1
    If now the army will have normal combat training, plus political leaders and a lip, then all inadequate prone to bullying can easily be kept on the lip. Well, the guard with chlorine and water in the cell will rinse everyone’s brain. Become smart and obedient.
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 22 2013 10: 59 New
      0
      as my battalion commander said - "when a soldier has nothing to do, he begins to do garbage, go AWOL, drink and drive spirits"
      So we were always busy if not a training ground, then we worked in the park, if not a drill then a drill. In general, the battalion was always busy with something, and all hazing came down to the fact that the young were doing harder work and the grandfathers were easier. And the service went faster and there was no time to miss home.
  35. Kazakh
    Kazakh April 22 2013 11: 32 New
    +4
    The problem is not (dag) the problem is in ourselves eb .... those who bend down. Which of the recruits purposefully prepares himself for military service? Units are those who are going to serve in the future. And how many fathers send their sons to the wrestling and boxing sections? Yes, they themselves often can’t pull themselves up 10 times and this is the result. Sometimes it seems good that Dagi and others like them humiliate Russians, people may wake up faster will understand that it’s not for the sake of pleasure that we have come to this world. Well and partly a suitable expression THE ENEMY NEEDS TO LOVE IT DOESN’T GIVE US OVERFAT.
  36. Ivan.
    Ivan. April 22 2013 11: 47 New
    +1
    If from the military unit in which the called-up young man is serving, a complaint will be received about the irregular relations with colleagues that this soldier admits, then the surety should immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out the place in what happened, help the commanders restrain the fighter.

    Strongly reminiscent of a kindergarten - otherwise the nanny will come and punish you.

    From now on, a mandatory requirement for a Dagestan conscript is not only excellent health, but also the presence of a “higher education applicant” with recommendations from teachers of the university in which he studied.

    Well, if earlier they, in comparison with the others, were given the initial health advantage, now they are educated. This can only aggravate, it is necessary to take into the army in the usual manner.
    The problem must be solved in a radical and comprehensive manner. It can be swearing in words about responsibility to comrades and for comrades, a preliminary "exam" in the knowledge of Russian-Dagestan (+ other nations with their appeal) relations and Russian history, the history of the Second World War in depth, it is necessary to introduce "political studies" in the army - soldiers need to navigate modern geopolitics very well, work has been done with officers, etc.
  37. demonuga
    demonuga April 22 2013 11: 50 New
    -1
    Yes, let them serve, but do not take more than two in one place, otherwise 90% of the UCP will be gathered.
  38. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer April 22 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Something to guess on coffee grounds, there will be a call from the Dagestanis, and again they will sprinkle as if from a cornucopia messages about the valiant tricks of the Caucasians.
    About guarantee - this is generally some kind of nonsense. Maybe it's better to take his relatives hostage during the service of the Dagestan? In the Caucasus, a time of respect for senior authorities has passed, young people are corrupted and consider themselves the only authority, and the rest for them is tinsel from antiquity for formal observance.
  39. Alex66
    Alex66 April 22 2013 12: 03 New
    0
    - "If from the military unit in which the called-up young man is serving, a complaint comes in about the hazing with colleagues that this soldier allows, then the guarantor must immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out what had happened on the spot, help the commanders to rein in the soldier . "
    Maybe right at the penal battalion, as it should be in the charter?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 15: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      Maybe right at the penal battalion, as it should be in the charter?

      Not allowed under the charter. It is imposed under the Criminal Code and not in the "penal battalion", but in a disciplinary military unit or other MLS, depending on the severity of the offense.
  40. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 22 2013 12: 49 New
    +1
    <<< If a military unit ....... receives a complaint about hazing with fellow servicemen .... then the guarantor must immediately go to the place of service and, having figured out what had happened on the spot, help the commanders to restrain the soldier .. ...... even the effect of the Constitution does not apply to them, since, you see, some fathers-commanders cannot, forgive me, use their resources to restore order in the unit entrusted to them. >>>
    And can it really be called an ARMY, with strict discipline as a necessary basis for its existence, where orders are not discussed, but executed? Such an army is not far from the "army" of the times of the Provisional Government, 1917, when the soldiers themselves decided to follow orders or not, discipline - no, powerless commanders had no authority to organize the command and control of troops. How it ended is known! So the ARMY does not need any guarantors interfering in the affairs of the army. She has enough RIGHTS and OPPORTUNITIES to solve all her problems herself! We must not be "ashamed" to use them decisively. So the Qualitative selection of recruits (without criminals and thugs) and DISCIPLINE and once again DIS CIPLINA according to the charter is the same for everyone!
  41. svskor80
    svskor80 April 22 2013 12: 57 New
    +3
    He himself served in 2003 in the part where there were many Dagestanis and Tuvans. And do not believe it - I won’t say anything bad about anyone, although anything happened. Where there is interest and the work of commanders, there is a friendship of peoples, even urban Russian and aul Dagestanis. Although they served me mainly from Derbent.
  42. Naval
    Naval April 22 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    Why is there still no military police? I think that an outfit of strong guys with batons will quickly restore order in a lousy barracks. winked
  43. RPD
    RPD April 22 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    now the army is unable to re-educate a person, as in a zone, he came as a freak, you come out as an even bigger freak
  44. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy April 22 2013 13: 30 New
    0
    In the army, as in everyday life, there is understanding and disagreement, but disagreements are more often provoked by the uniformity of the situation and the officers leaving soldiers to themselves, and the latter make a fool of how anyone can.
  45. rennim
    rennim April 22 2013 13: 32 New
    +5
    Quote: fartfraer
    from personal experience I will say that for Caucasians (Dagestanis, Ossetians, etc.), military service is an honorable duty, for me it was a shock (on the contract) when I learned that they also give bribes to call. We have a lot of young people "mowers" ( not all, but there is, this is a fact), and the Caucasians are honored to serve.


    I served in one of the MO units. When the 2nd Chechen war began in 1999, our Dagi did not want to go to any place to defend Dagestan. But they themselves were from Karamakhi and Chabanmakhi. And you say a bribe ... to serve. For them, Vanka the Russian must defend their home. And here, in places of permanent deployment and in civilian life, they are all "proud warriors." All this is nonsense ... They do not understand the words. But if you threaten, and it is better to fulfill the threat. The "laws of the mountains" are immediately forgotten.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 22 2013 18: 05 New
      +5
      we have different experiences. I'm not saying that my comment is "the only" correct one, but in reality the army means a lot to them. chiche, so I can tell you they had no fear of fighting. Of course, it was such that "the Caucasus is not removed", but it passed after the first exit to the outpost. I called back with some until I drowned the phone)), although initially we there were conflicts (but not on the national basis and not with the whole "aul"). Just for example, we were recruited from Siberia for a contract of 200 people for two months, and the dagi stood in line to get into the army, even a bribe did not guarantee anything. Well, I won't even talk about pre-army sports training, I am still ashamed of myself after I passed physical training, now I am doing it regularly, the years still allow, and we and our children will most likely still have to fight. personal opinion, you can disagree
  46. demonn
    demonn April 22 2013 13: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: rennim
    Quote: fartfraer
    from personal experience I will say that for Caucasians (Dagestanis, Ossetians, etc.), military service is an honorable duty, for me it was a shock (on the contract) when I learned that they also give bribes to call. We have a lot of young people "mowers" ( not all, but there is, this is a fact), and the Caucasians are honored to serve.


    I served in one of the MO units. When the 2nd Chechen war began in 1999, our Dagi did not want to go to any place to defend Dagestan. But they themselves were from Karamakhi and Chabanmakhi. And you say a bribe ... to serve. For them, Vanka the Russian must defend their home. And here, in places of permanent deployment and in civilian life, they are all "proud warriors." All this is nonsense ... They do not understand the words. But if you threaten, and it is better to fulfill the threat. The "laws of the mountains" are immediately forgotten.

    Don’t confuse a lot, they didn’t want to go just because they wouldn’t get into the situation because they would have to shoot their relative to shoot it easily, but bad memories for a long time!
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 22 2013 15: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: demonn
      have to shoot your relative

      What kind of relatives, if they were Chechens, but Arabs pearl? And the local population fought off them, not being afraid to get into a relative.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 22 2013 18: 08 New
        +1
        I can be mistaken, but to those places where the Wahhabis didn’t have local support, they didn’t parade any of the Chichi, but received a rebuff from the locals. In the villages we are talking about, it seems like there was no special rebuff. Well, as far as I know
  47. runway
    runway April 22 2013 13: 58 New
    +1
    I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. He himself served in the Caucasus for a long time. The reason for the comment was the author’s phrase: "And since respect for elders in the Caucasus is an immutable truth, such a measure will help bring the army education of Dagestani conscripts to an acceptable level. At least, this is what legislators in Dagestan itself think."
    All salt is that it applies to your elders - a kind (related to him). The officer for such a conscript is nobody, he even has a different faith! Therefore, there is only one way out - to know and be able to. Know their laws and customs. To be able to work with people without mat and massacre. And it is sometimes difficult when you are specially provoked. The round-the-clock work of senior commanders who are supposed to teach and help the younger ones is important here. The only way.
  48. runway
    runway April 22 2013 14: 00 New
    +3
    I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. He himself served in the Caucasus for a long time. The reason for the comment was the author’s phrase: "And since respect for elders in the Caucasus is an immutable truth, such a measure will help bring the army education of Dagestani conscripts to an acceptable level. At least, this is what legislators in Dagestan itself think."
    All salt is that it applies to your elders - a kind (related to him). The officer for such a conscript is nobody, he even has a different faith! Therefore, there is only one way out - to know and be able to. Know their laws and customs. To be able to work with people without mat and massacre. And it is sometimes difficult when you are specially provoked. The round-the-clock work of senior commanders who are supposed to teach and help the younger ones is important here. The only way.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh April 22 2013 14: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: piston
      The officer for such a conscript is nobody, he even has a different faith! Therefore, there is only one way out - to know and be able to. Know their laws and customs.

      The officer must know the charter to teach military specialties and if you need to lead into battle. And local ethnologists should know the customs and laws.
      1. runway
        runway April 22 2013 14: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Kazakh
        The officer must know the charter to teach military specialties and if you need to lead into battle. And local ethnologists should know the customs and laws.

        You begin to feel the lack of practical knowledge gained during the four years of study at the school immediately after the beginning of commanding "your" unit. Moreover, the knowledge gained in academies will not give you a guarantee of 100% savvy. The more the commander knows, the more confident he feels in a difficult situation.
        The "knowledge base" you have listed is clearly insufficient for a modern commander. This level is not enough for a modern fighter either.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 22 2013 18: 11 New
          0
          I agree, but this is precisely the work of an officer. In purely Russian companies without control, there are a lot of things "not national"
  49. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 22 2013 14: 32 New
    0
    To create companies only for Caucasians, and so that they wouldn’t let them give them a few lambs, so that they remove tension.
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic April 22 2013 16: 20 New
      +4
      You are not right!
      It all depends on ourselves - some save and in the bushes, while others will justly respond and restore order - in life it’s everywhere.
      About half a year before the reserve was transferred to the company, a replenishment of about 25 Caucasians (Azerbaijanis, Dagestanis, etc.) came to the company, and there were 60 people for the entire battalion. their characteristic, while they were in the majority and our company did not come from the raid.
      One day they were persuaded and asked, on the second night, we, about 8-10 old servicemen, built these mountain "eagles" in the shower room and held an educational conversation.
      These nocturnal conversations lasted five nights. Then the "eagles" turned into obedient sheep. The officers were not involved in education, but they did not interfere with education ...
      Your honor and life are in your hands ......
  50. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 22 2013 14: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: self-propelled
    - forgot about the mission of foremen in units. First of all, he is responsible for the correct performance by soldiers of military service, military discipline, internal order, and only then for the safety of property, etc .;

    And in most units there are no foremen now. It is a fact! In our unit, there is no foreman, no political officer, no military leader, or deputy military technician! There are no paramedics and no cooks! Here is such an interesting staff. The nearest hospital is 200 km from the unit, products are transported for 150 km, linen was previously taken to wash for 350 km! Here is such an optimization, damn all those who came up with this! And how, under such conditions, to focus on combat training, when all matters are to prevent something! Therefore, we won’t attract the soldiers anywhere - if something didn’t work out! It’s time to review the states established by Taburetkin! And most likely they would have returned the positions of warrant officers and warrant officers!