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Does NATO seek advice from Russia on Afghanistan?

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The other day the Russian edition of Kommersant published a material stating that representatives of the NATO command in strict secrecy appealed to the Russian Ministry of Defense in order to learn from the experience of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. The submission says that several sources in the North Atlantic Alliance itself reported this at once. The same sources explained why NATO does not want an appeal to the Russian side to become public knowledge. The reason allegedly lies in the fact that NATO wants the withdrawal of the combined contingent from the territory of Afghanistan not to be associated with the world community with the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent, which in the West was considered and continue to be considered occupational. Like, we want to take advantage of your experience, but only about this no gu-gu ... No one! Hear! ..




And now such top-secret information suddenly suddenly becomes the very property of the public, whom they were so afraid of in Brussels and Washington. Moreover, if we analyze the situation with the sources of "Kommersant" in the North Atlantic Alliance, it turns out that there are several informants of the Russian press in this military organization, who give out all the secrets of the alliance without the slightest delay. At the same time, the Kommersant publication reports that the information on the requests to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation from NATO was also confirmed in the Russian General Staff. After that, the secret status of the NATO appeal looks quite unclassified, since literally everyone who told the Russian press was referring to this appeal.

It turns out that the appeal of the commanders of the alliance to the Russian side was, to put it mildly, not so secret. After all, in the US the same, all normal people understand that the American and other NATO troops for ordinary Afghans will in any case remain occupying, and it is unlikely that NATO will be able to compromise NATO more in any way. As a matter of fact, it is possible to compromise even more those on which, as they say, there is no place to put a compromising stamp.

However, we will not begin to exaggerate the theme of the “strictest secrecy” of the NATO appeal to Moscow, but rather consider the very essence of this appeal. So, the alliance is interested in studying Soviet-era information on the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. After all, it is necessary to deduce not only the servicemen themselves, but today there are about 100 thousand people in Afghanistan, but also military equipment and equipment. Of course, the plans of the same Washington state the point according to which most of the weapons and equipment can go to the Afghan army being formed, as well as settle, for example, in Uzbekistan. But at the same time, all NATO officials cannot afford to leave in the Central Asian region. The main reason is the fear that all this will look like the most real flight of the “winners”. The Americans (first of all, they) want to get out of Afghanistan in such a way as to save their face. It is for this reason that NATO is asking for information help from Russia, because the withdrawal of Soviet troops at one time was very successful.

Is Russia ready to provide such assistance? If you believe all the same unnamed sources, then Russia will go towards NATO, since there is no specially guarded secret in the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent from Afghanistan. And if Russia is ready to provide information assistance to Brussels on this issue, a new question arises. It consists in the following:
Russia has information about how the Soviet contingent was brought to the territory of the USSR (to the Central Asian republics and beyond). The same General Boris Gromov, who commanded the operation to withdraw Soviet troops from the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, could tell a lot to Western "partners." But the point is that the experience with the withdrawal of troops extends only to the withdrawal of these same troops in the USSR. It turns out that the West wants precisely this information from the Russian Ministry of Defense. But if so, for what? Whether the American and other military men together with military equipment in 2014 year gather to give up houses through the Russian territory? Many will say that all this is just speculation. Yes, undoubtedly, this is speculation, and nothing more, but ... And then why should the same Americans turn to the Russian side, because they could use the already developed methodology - withdrawal of a contingent in parts. For several years now, this methodology has brought certain benefits to NATO. So in 2010, the 1650 of the Dutch military left Afghanistan, in 2011, about 3 of thousands of Canadian soldiers returned home, in 2012, several Belgian, Luxembourg, British, French, American, Australian and other military personnel numbering a few departed from Afghanistan in Afghanistan thousands of people. It would be possible to continue in the same spirit and further, but turned to Russia.

And here there are two possible reasons for such treatment. The first reason: Brussels is really going to use not just the experience of the Russian side in terms of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, but, in fact, Russian territory (as they say, anything is possible in this world). Reason Two: Brussels wants to conduct a fairly bright action on the return of the troops of the "winners" to their homes. But as regards the organization of striking actions, it is unlikely the same Americans would decide to use Russian councils. Already, Americans are used to organizing the show themselves, and often they succeed in these shows: both in terms of troop deployment (recalling “enchanting” troop deployment to Iraq after the “Powell test tube shown at the UN”) and inference. As they say, they enter and go out on their own, and then suddenly they decided to ask us for help ...

On the one hand, of course, there are partnership agreements, but recently the partnership of Russia with the North Atlantic alliance more and more often looks somewhat doubtful.

Against this background, the last news from Afghanistan look, to put it mildly, irrelevant. Recently, the Taliban "reported" the killing of 13-ti local Afghan police, who at one time were prepared for the service of foreign instructors. It is not even the fact of the incident that is surprising (the killing of Afghan police and military personnel, unfortunately, is not uncommon for this state), but how this massacre took place. According to one of the Afghan news agencies, the police were asleep during the attack on them, without putting a single sentry to the post. That is why the Taliban simply cut out the entire police outpost in the province of Ghazni, while grabbing a departmental car and all small weapon killed by law enforcement officers. This eloquently speaks not only about the level of training of Afghan police and military personnel, but also about the level of their responsibility. One can imagine how much the Afghan security forces “prepared” by NATO forces “stretched” after the mass withdrawal of NATO troops. So we need not only and not so much to give NATO advice on how best to leave the alliance forces from Afghanistan, but to think how the powder keg again after this withdrawal would roll to our borders.

PS Since the information is declared strictly secret, please read: do not tell anyone and nothing. Shh ...
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  1. UFO
    UFO April 20 2013 08: 01
    96
    "Urgently! A competition has been announced for the role of Susanin to withdraw NATO from Afghanistan." wink
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 20 2013 08: 12
      38
      Quote: UFO
      A few days ago, the Russian edition of Kommersant published material stating that representatives of NATO command are in strict secrecy appealed to the Russian Ministry of Defense

      it looks like Kommersant has become the Russian WikiLeaks laughing
      and with regards to advice on the withdrawal of troops - as they got into this ... let, let them get out. themselves to blame
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak April 20 2013 08: 22
        18
        Quote: self-propelled
        and with regards to advice on the withdrawal of troops

        Let's wish these .... "valiant" wars a HAPPY WAY, and they have someone to put a spoke in their wheels!
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 20 2013 11: 52
          11
          Quote: Sibiryak
          Quote: self-propelled
          and with regards to advice on the withdrawal of troops

          Let's wish these .... "valiant" wars a HAPPY WAY, and they have someone to put a spoke in their wheels!


          At the same time, we wish them to the pupils of a sharp eye and a faithful hand ...
      2. Simon
        Simon April 21 2013 05: 41
        0
        And my advice to them! Let them take their asses in their hands and quickly flee from there, until the Afghans pushed them in the ass. In any case, they will fly from there to shame. laughing wassat good
      3. Quiet
        Quiet April 21 2013 14: 54
        +4
        how they got into this thing ... let them get out. themselves to blame

        After those trash that they arranged with Afghanistan, the USSR, it is necessary to "help" them too. bully Yes, so that Vietnam seemed to America an innocent walk of a group of kindergarten in the clearing to collect flowers ..... love lol
    2. Castor oil
      Castor oil April 20 2013 08: 19
      23
      Quote: UFO
      "Urgently! A competition has been announced for the role of Susanin to withdraw NATO from Afghanistan." wink

      Then bury all this NATO Kodla in the Kostroma swamps, build a memorial with an airdrome, and plant more and higher plant around ... winked
    3. vadimus
      vadimus April 20 2013 08: 40
      16
      To deduce, so in Pakistan ... And in Afghanistan all the dope must be etched ....
    4. alatau_09
      alatau_09 April 20 2013 09: 26
      24
      I think this "open secret" lies in the fact that Jews are afraid of counter-propaganda from Russia ... Russia has become very productive in responding to information attacks from them and they are afraid that their "hurray" will be announced by the Russian media to the whole world as "save our asses "... The fact is that Russian channels are being listened to more and more all over the world, and Jews know" who owns the minds owns the world, "in this case, the flight from Afghanistan as it is ...
    5. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 20 2013 12: 26
      12
      I remembered the joke.
      Tell me, how to withdraw Soviet troops from Afghanistan, so as not to lose international prestige?
      Answer: Try through Berlin.
    6. elmi
      elmi April 20 2013 12: 53
      11
      They're bastards! They want to leave Avgan with their heads held high and at the same time humiliate Russia once again by asking for our experience of withdrawal from Avgan (once again remind us that our troops were supposedly occupying there), otherwise they have no experience of withdrawal? Yes, they have more experience with the withdrawal of troops than any country, it is easier to count the countries where they have not been. In response to their "request", one should mutually ask them to share their experience with the withdrawal of their troops from Vietnam.
      1. Dilshat
        Dilshat April 21 2013 13: 58
        +2
        That's it. Can they give them more keys where the money is?
    7. askort154
      askort154 April 20 2013 13: 24
      13
      Quote.UFO ... "Urgently! A competition has been announced for the role of Susanin, to withdraw NATO from Afghanistan."

      +++! The presiding judge of the competition is NATO - Poland.
    8. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 20 2013 15: 13
      +3
      Yes, interesting secret news.
    9. Army1
      Army1 April 20 2013 15: 40
      +5
      It is necessary to mine the fucking route and kindly provide it.
    10. Garrin
      Garrin April 20 2013 15: 48
      +4
      Quote: UFO
      "Urgently! A competition has been announced for the role of Susanin to withdraw NATO from Afghanistan." wink

      You can also invite landscapers to plant birches around airfields.
    11. skeptic-
      skeptic- April 20 2013 16: 51
      +8
      Quote: UFO
      "Urgently! A competition has been announced for the role of Susanin to withdraw NATO from Afghanistan."


      And it would also be nice under the escort of the CSTO troops. All the same, "requests for advice" are sumptuous. It looks more like the TROYAN KONE-XXI century. They will climb in, throw off the "masks", and then, "at the request of the friends of Central Asia," they will linger, if they do not climb - where the dog does not stick its tail. Guys, complexes of decency, conscience, do not suffer.
    12. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 20 2013 21: 03
      +6
      Don’t worry, they’ll come out, but how to close the border with Afghanistan will have a headache in Russia. As for me, it is necessary to put a candle in the church so that Afghanistan would become a normal country. And then it’s not good for us all.
    13. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn April 20 2013 23: 16
      +2
      euphoria don't understand belay it was the American troops and their allies that provided the import of colossal amounts of drugs to us, now they are leaving - what is the rapture? In addition to drug trafficking, there will still be a lot of problems - what is our joy?
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka April 20 2013 23: 22
        +6
        There is a legend that the Taliban is a fighter against drugs. This legend has nothing to do with reality. Throughout his reign, the Taliban has been and continues to be the main drug producer of opiates. Opium is grown precisely in the territories that are the stronghold of the Taliban:
        Before 2000, the Taliban encouraged opium production and issued an Islamic edict urging farmers to increase opium plantings; the Taliban taxed opium income with a 20% tax. For example, opium production increased in Kandahar under Taliban rule in one year alone, from 79 tons in 1995 to 120 tons in 1996. Taliban policies included direct and indirect incentives to expand opium production. The fundamental Taliban view of opium cultivation is expressed by Abdul Rashid, who headed the Taliban's anti-narcotics department in Kandahar: “We strictly prohibit the cultivation of hashish because it is consumed by Afghans and Muslims. and Afghans. "
        Taliban opium production grew, and the 1999 opium crop was a record - 4600 metric tons. For many Taliban years, opium production in Afghanistan exceeded global demand, leading to lower prices for heroin and morphine in the West and lowering the profitability of drug traffickers in Europe, which allegedly required producers (i.e. the Taliban) to cut production.
        For the 1990s. The Taliban also amassed colossal opium reserves of their own from the years of overproduction under the Taliban. These reserves constitute a de facto analogue of the Taliban's "gold and foreign exchange reserves." The Taliban, it is believed, went to ban the production of opium in 2000 in order to increase the market price of their drug stocks.

        http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/12977.html - кому интересно почитайте.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn April 20 2013 23: 26
          -3
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          There is a legend that the Taliban is a fighter against drugs. This legend has nothing to do with reality. Throughout its reign, the Taliban has been and continues to be the main drug producer of opiates.


          lies.
    14. WW3
      WW3 April 21 2013 05: 05
      0
      The role of Susanin can be played by opium, which is so carefully guarded by NATO agronomists, together with local ones, how to roam in the fields without worrying in that song ....
      As for the appeal, they are calculating the shortest route of transfer, well, not through Iran’s territory, in fact lol , Pakistan, too, has not been friendly over the last time, therefore, it has been secretly addressed to the whole world.
    15. Quiet
      Quiet April 21 2013 15: 14
      +2
      "Urgently! Competition announced for the role of Susanin, for the withdrawal of NATO from Afghanistan

      5 minutes ago, the State Duma of the Russian Federation won the competition !!!!, failing to get the country out of the crisis in 20 years !!! fool belay laughing
    16. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick April 26 2013 14: 33
      0
      We know the short way
  2. Tersky
    Tersky April 20 2013 08: 03
    22
    Yankees, advice to you and "love" - ​​as they entered, or rather crawled in, so sweep out ... And not only from Afgan.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 20 2013 08: 04
    12
    [i] The reason allegedly lies in the fact that NATO wants the withdrawal of the combined contingent from the territory of Afghanistan from the international community not to be associated with the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent, which in the West was considered and continues to be considered occupational. Like, we want to take advantage of your experience, but not about this gu-gu ... Nobody! Hear! .. [i]

    Well, let the Merikatos gather "an extraordinary plenum of the Central Committee ...." and globally, on the sly, how they can get their bandits out. And when they went there, in Afghan, did they ask us the same? They nailed it, and they want to hide the ends on the sly.

    [i] is going to use not only the experience of the Russian side in terms of the withdrawal of the military contingent from Afghanistan, but, in fact, the Russian territory (as they say, everything is possible in this world) [i]

    What is their territory, as they intermeddle, so let their ass be pulled out!

    PS Well, what about secrecy, then I don’t tell anyone gu-gu.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 20 2013 08: 11
      12
      Quote: aszzz888
      Well, let the Merikatos gather "an extraordinary plenum of the Central Committee ...." and globally, on the sly, how they can get their bandits out. And when they went there, in Afghan, did they ask us the same? They nailed it, and they want to hide the ends on the sly.


      In fact, Putin supported the entry of NATO troops into Afghanistan. One of his most successful endeavors. Only now, Amer with drugs, of course, we were wrong.
      1. krasin
        krasin April 20 2013 08: 43
        +7
        The longer they stay there, the easier it is for us. After the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan, a stream of drug trafficking and dark people will pour in on us and neighboring republics. Putin said that the passport regime will be introduced in 2015. It is necessary that the passport regime coincides with the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan, or even earlier.
        1. vadson
          vadson April 20 2013 10: 45
          +7
          Quote: krasin
          The longer they stay there, the easier it is for us. After the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan, a stream of drug trafficking and dark people will pour in on us and neighboring republics. Putin said that the passport regime will be introduced in 2015. It is necessary that the passport regime coincides with the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan, or even earlier.

          so that they will not withdraw their troops by 2014, they will become angry but cannot, they will have to all the Taliban and ditch the grandmother so that they do not explode. will start to receive will receive a bunch of attacks, ambushes and attacks. Taliban columns are able to fire. sitting at the bases they pay off and no one will help them on the march. and it’s not profitable for the Taliban to let them go, they have a bunch of grandmas from Amers there.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 20 2013 15: 52
            +8
            Quote: vadson
            Taliban columns are able to fire

            Let them see enough of their fighters - and make small groups break through to Karachi, something like that ... heroes will come out ... who are lucky.
            1. skeptic-
              skeptic- April 20 2013 17: 02
              +9
              Quote: Kaa
              Let them see enough of their fighters - and make small groups break through to Karachi, something like that ... heroes will come out ... who are lucky.


              Really the perfect idea. good
        2. family tree
          family tree April 20 2013 11: 04
          +6
          Quote: krasin
          flood of drug trafficking and dark personalities

          The flood of drugs surged, just after the American troops entered, the Taliban with drugs, more or less successfully fought. And most likely it won’t work out, they’ve messed up too much, in general, if only to run away without looking back and lightly.
        3. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 20 2013 12: 31
          +8
          Oh, don’t rush, the US exit from Afghanistan will mean the US withdrawal to the geopolitical margin, and a holy place does not happen empty. We will arrange long-range aviation exercises for a couple of days, set fire to poppy plantations, throw ODABs to dumb places, and that is the queen of peace and quiet on the southern border of the Russian Empire.
          1. kobussubok
            kobussubok April 21 2013 04: 07
            +3
            You have a good plan, Comrade General !!! )))
          2. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr April 21 2013 15: 24
            +2
            I wonder if locust poppy eats or not ?! And then maybe the bombs do not need to ... She herself took it far away and ate everything ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 20 2013 08: 49
        +5
        Quote: zvereok
        In fact, Putin supported the entry of NATO troops into Afghanistan. One of his most successful endeavors. Only now, Amer with drugs, of course, we were wrong.

        Thanks to this, the "amers" got into trouble and "got dirty", but you should always wait for nasty things from them and have time to counteract ...
      3. skeptic-
        skeptic- April 20 2013 16: 59
        +4
        Quote: zvereok
        Only now, Amer with drugs, of course, we were cheated.


        They don’t think so. And they need a conclusion in the direction of Central Asia, in order to establish a more powerful flow of drugs to the CSTO countries, and more precisely, to Russia.
    2. vilenich
      vilenich April 20 2013 10: 07
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      Well, let the merikatos gather "an extraordinary plenum of the Central Committee ...." and globally quietly how to get their bandits out.

      Yes, let them consult with their battered Vietnamese veterans, they will advise them a lot of things!
  4. Pagan13
    Pagan13 April 20 2013 08: 07
    +2
    I wonder at the secrecy of the US and NATO fool laughing Of course, those killers of those cops having read this news will cry with joy and will burst from morning to late evening. laughing
  5. zvereok
    zvereok April 20 2013 08: 09
    11
    Unlike Iraq, the Americans never achieved complete victory in Afghanistan. The guerrilla war continues against them. How did they say it? The common people, armed with decrepit weapons, are successfully fighting against the last evil empire, whose soldiers are armed with the latest technology "somehow.
    1. Simon
      Simon April 21 2013 06: 55
      0
      So if the amers from Afghanistan fade away, then they will lose their influence in Iraq, and after that they will drive them from everywhere, that’s why they kept secret their assault from Afghanistan. laughing We went into Afghanistan like this bullyand run like that wassat .
  6. omsbon
    omsbon April 20 2013 08: 14
    15
    -. Love was without joy, separation will be without sorrow -
    Amer climbed themselves, let them get out!
  7. SEM
    SEM April 20 2013 08: 19
    +3
    Well, "naughty" and now, like a frightened child, they ask for advice on how to escape without getting in the ass.
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 20 2013 08: 26
    16
    I'm not suggesting that the Americans ask the British for advice, they very "successfully" withdrew their troops from Afghanistan in 1842,1880, 1919, and in XNUMX they had more "experience" of escape from various wars. Well, how the British were withdrawn or, better to say, fled (shamefully) from Afghanistan? to the relevant literature. wink
  9. artemiy
    artemiy April 20 2013 08: 56
    20
    It is better to tell the Taliban how to make sure that there is nothing to deduce!
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 April 20 2013 09: 05
    +2
    "don't tell anyone anything. Wow ..."- so we never to anyone! Kol" Komersant "said, we understand. "we will believe and help" well, like "real friends" ... hi
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 20 2013 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      "don't tell anyone anything. Wow ..."- so we never to anyone! Kol" Komersant "said, we understand. "we will believe and help" well, like "real friends" ... hi

      Only once in "Vkontakte", "Facebook" and "Twitter" I will share it with my best friends! And so no one else, no one else ... hi bully
  11. Atlon
    Atlon April 20 2013 09: 28
    13
    The withdrawal of troops is not such a trivial action ... Gromov, at one time, CONGRATED with the elders that the columns would not be fired upon on the march. Where by persuasion, where by threats, and where by "bribery" safe exit routes were provided. And then, we entered the territory of the USSR directly bordering Afghanistan. The main difficulty here lies in the fact that with the withdrawal, the number of people becomes less and less, and those who remain become an increasingly easy target ...
  12. Fost325
    Fost325 April 20 2013 09: 30
    0
    And everyone has already forgotten about the plans to build a transshipment base in Ulyanovsk for the withdrawal of NATs from Afghanistan, I think everything is going to this, they just try not to spread, so as not to disturb the people, otherwise Rogozin will have to calm the population again (they know less, sleep better) ... .
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah April 20 2013 09: 58
      +3
      Something I personally like the transshipment base for the NATO contingent in the form of gold mines and logging in Kolyma and Magadan is more like it.
      Like this:
  13. APASUS
    APASUS April 20 2013 09: 30
    +6
    I have only one question about this:
    What is our reason for this?
    NATO has long learned to exchange their PROMISES for real services !!!
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 20 2013 12: 17
      +4
      Money in the morning - chairs in the evening! And let them come through our territory, be sure! You just need to strictly stipulate that at least 85% of their weapons and military equipment are "obsolete, with an expired shelf life and a depleted service life." Slightly crossed our border - a bayonet into the ground. We take it and dispose of it, there is no need to dangle around our land with weapons (and even so shameful)! That would be just fine.
  14. AlexW
    AlexW April 20 2013 09: 39
    20
    Gorbachev let him be invited. He will lead them fellow
  15. erased
    erased April 20 2013 09: 39
    +4
    Well, what will the supreme power look like if NATO really goes through Russia? At least strange ... But not at least? ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 20 2013 12: 23
      +6
      Quote: erased
      At least strange ... But not at least? ..

      And not less - they will explain to the population how much money they got from amers for helping to remove troops from Afghanistan. Moreover, the amount should be such as to satisfy the population of the Russian Federation!
  16. Bosk
    Bosk April 20 2013 09: 48
    +4
    The reason allegedly lies in the fact that NATO wants the withdrawal of the united contingent from the territory of Afghanistan among the world community with the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent, which in the West was considered and continues to be considered occupational. Like, we want to take advantage of your experience, but not about this gu-gu ... Nobody! Hey! .. Yeah, guys got a big hit. Just like in that joke about a bear and a hunter ...
  17. PValery53
    PValery53 April 20 2013 09: 56
    +2
    It’s not good to expose the smug physio (g) nomination of the former Moscow Region. Not only is he guilty, is he also a victim?! .. His smirking is shown with subtext, in the sense: everything is like water for him from Goose!
  18. Dovmont
    Dovmont April 20 2013 10: 01
    +8
    It turns out interesting! So when we fought in Afghanistan, amers and their Arab-European mats fought against us in every way, sparing neither strength nor means. And when the Taliban rooster pecked them at their broken-up *** cancer, they rushed to us: "Ryutuite lads !!" And what's the funniest thing !! We answered them: "Sorry, what you please !!" Need a NATO transshipment base in the center of Russia? Excuse me! Do you need a transport corridor across the whole of Russia? No problem, what else will our sworn NATO partners want tomorrow? Maybe the Russians would have harnessed themselves to their transports (like the Duleb women among the Avars?) And organized a triumphant return to Geyrop on their humps? If this happens, I probably will not be surprised at anything!
    1. tttttt
      tttttt April 20 2013 19: 15
      +6
      Definitely a plus. In addition, I have such a question? Isn't this the beginning of the occupation of Russia? Such a brazen creeping, without a single shot. Ye-ma, and Ulyanovsk is also the very center of Russia! It is enough for these animals to get to someone else's territory, then you will not smoke anything, diplomacy, protocols of intentions, all kinds of joint difficulties will go, God forbid, in the midst of "withdrawal" they will also start some confusion, and there they will remember different agreements on cooperation, etc. I can say one thing: for the Russian authorities and the president, this is the last and most important test of loyalty to the Motherland. If they let the civilization of homosexuals on Russian land, then they themselves belong to this civilization, and they are not Russians at all.
      1. TUMAN
        TUMAN April 21 2013 00: 42
        +2
        Quote: tttttt
        But is not this the beginning of the occupation of Russia?

        I agree! Something all this shnyaga with the withdrawal and transit base "Ulyanovsk" smacks of shit! For the authorities, this is a test for lice, although, where do the children of the guarantor live? Here is such a crap turns out!
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 21 2013 12: 22
          +4
          Quote: TUMAN
          I agree! Something all this shnyaga with the withdrawal and transit base "Ulyanovsk" smacks of shit! For the authorities, this is a test for lice, although, where do the children of the guarantor live? Here is such a crap turns out!

          Well done guys, two Olegs and "5t". Only I gave you a plus. And I could have put a hundred, then I would have put a hundred! Apparently only from Ukraine is the connection between Afgan and Simbirsk visible!
          Is it really not clear that Judeoamers have to calculate the moves and this "conclusion" was predictable 3 years ago, when the "lease agreement" was signed.

          I'll tell the rest. Comrades, do not be too lazy to attach the ruler to the map, or stretch the lace across the globe. From the point "Afghan" through the point "base in Simbirsk". Where is the vector directed? To Spitsbergen and Greenland! And coolies there to make mattress mats, and the most economically profitable, "short" and "safe" way is "nah hausen" through accomplices of Pakistanis. Through the ports, transports and aircraft carriers!
          But judoamer hotstsa through Russia !!!
          To anyone interested, search the net for the terms of the base "lease". International lawyers in Akuya from such "agreements" (thanks to Mr. Poo and Ro).
          And what prevents amers from soon "reviewing" the conditions and not expanding the base to the size of the entire province. So much for the occupation with further annexation.
          I don’t understand why some are so jubilant that the Murikans will just "bring out". Amer plan to withdraw their troops. but replace them with NATO. Those. reduce their costs and throw on the Euro. Benefits for Obama's mother (Nobel laureate, by the way), calculate for yourself. . .
          1. TUMAN
            TUMAN April 21 2013 13: 06
            +4
            Quote: Rustiger
            Apparently only from Ukraine is the connection between Afghanistan and Simbirsk visible!

            Hi Vadim! And here we know better (just kidding), so your pseudo-patriots see only a few hundred scumbags from Western Ukraine, whom smart conductors point to them, and cultivate hatred between fraternal peoples! They don’t see everything else (after all, the conductor does not indicate).
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger April 21 2013 13: 53
              +4
              Quote: TUMAN
              Hi Vadim!

              Hello to you, Oleg !!!
              Did you get away from the plow a bit? TS "straightened your back"? good So I'm digging at the dacha. Briefly lay down with a "nubuck". Business people on Adam's apple!
              And your Yanuca-Vegetable needs an idea to start up several weekly charters on the Dushanbe-Kiev flight at the expense of the state budget. to "raise the economy" and then, in six months or a year, the frostbitten zapadent will have something to "do". There is something to compare with, and they will direct all their "righteous anger against those damned to her" in a different direction wassat
              Although God save you from the invasion of this horde. . ., but maybe even the Slavs will unite, even if you have to start!
              Sorry, buddy, the spade is bored. Until the evening!!!
          2. tttttt
            tttttt April 21 2013 15: 32
            +3
            Well done guys, two Olegs and "5t"


            Thank you!

            negative tttttt- in my nickname, these are gallows for liberals. yes
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger April 21 2013 19: 21
              +1
              Quote: tttttt
              these are gallows for liberals

              Yeah nuuu. ... .There are also "Decembrists" for me, especially since they hung up some of them, and the rest were driven "into fresh air."
              So the current ones would be forced to dig some kind of channel. Albeit unnecessary, but for the purpose of "re-education", so as not to languish in idleness.
  19. maestro123
    maestro123 April 20 2013 10: 11
    +4
    No, "brothers", that won't work. They made a guess, but who will clean up after themselves?
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 20 2013 12: 39
      12
      Quote: maestro123
      .Gad, but who will clean up after themselves?
      1. Bosk
        Bosk April 20 2013 13: 26
        +2
        And ktozh now wakes up poppy plantations to guard ?, Afghans will arrange a buch again, well, and naturally, they will trample a lot of good in good heat ...
      2. morprepud
        morprepud April 20 2013 15: 46
        -1
        And he that caught the dysentery from the "Afghan"?
      3. APASUS
        APASUS April 20 2013 21: 23
        +4
        So not only Rimbaud ..........
  20. kind
    kind April 20 2013 10: 44
    +7
    PS Since the information is declared strictly secret, please read: do not tell anyone and nothing. Shh ...

    After shitting, they ask how they better wipe their ass. Of course, they don’t ask such questions aloud. lol
  21. lecturer
    lecturer April 20 2013 10: 46
    15
    (Putin's phone rang)
    "Who's talking?"
    - Obama!
    "Where from?"
    - From Afghanistan!
    - What do you need?
    - Get out of NATO! Oh, if you don’t come, the whole army will drown in the swamp ...
    - Well, let's help one last time! Although you are such a ped ... s !!!
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 21 2013 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: morpod
      (Putin's phone rang)

      Wow, Vasilich! You composed it yourself? Well done !!!
      Of course it looks like something, but we won't tell anyone. If you refine the rhymes, add imagery, and of course "volume", then you can safely publish. ... ...
  22. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 20 2013 10: 53
    +2
    It's easy!

    protect the area with red flasks (so that the Afghan wolves do not run in)
    We sweat to drive more planes and helicopters, take seats and close your eyes!

    Have a good flight! ohhhhhhhhhh
  23. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 20 2013 11: 12
    +7
    Quote: alatau_09
    I think this "open secret" lies in the fact that Jews are afraid of counter-propaganda from Russia ... Russia has become very productive in responding to information attacks from them and they are afraid that their "hurray" will be announced by the Russian media to the whole world as "save our asses "... The fact is that Russian channels are being listened to more and more all over the world, and Jews know" who owns the minds owns the world, "in this case, the flight from Afghanistan as it is ...

    It’s just an escape, so I asked them how not to disgrace ourselves, because we went out with banners unfolded, with heads raised high!
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 April 20 2013 12: 43
      +9
      It’s so beautiful to go out with a parade, you will not succeed! laughing
  24. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe April 20 2013 11: 15
    +7
    You don’t need to help them leave the river, let them sit there for as long as possible and spend money, maybe the printing press will break faster, but we need to prepare better for their departure. To change the regimes among Tajiks and Uzbeks and, if possible, Turkmens, concern them with the prospect of becoming the object of special attention of the Taliban, maybe then they will buy weapons from us, so that they fight off the majahids.
  25. Withoutdream
    Withoutdream April 20 2013 11: 33
    11
    It can be seen quite hard for them there. For the past 30 years they have not asked our opinion. They introduced what they wanted and where they wanted, and deduced when they wanted and where they wanted. Apparently they are not interested in the technical issue of this process, but in the political one. How did we withdraw our troops on clean roads and without loss, what needs to be done, who should smile, who should threaten with a finger. It goes without saying that without specific agreements, during the withdrawal, they will leave 1/3 of their contingent with corpses and burnt skeletons of equipment in the same place.
  26. throst
    throst April 20 2013 12: 25
    +5
    Well, at least earlier, the amers said they wanted to withdraw troops through Central Asia. what they will actually get is another question. Well, to compare the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan is unreasonable. while from Iraq it was possible to withdraw troops that across the sea, that over the land, that over the air; then in Afghanistan - only land and air. at the same time, they can be shot down in the air by smuggled stinger, and on the ground they can undermine, burn and shoot the marching column. gradually withdraw - again, the moment will come when the Taliban will see that there are few soldiers left and they will raise their heads - the next hot phase will begin. they ask us how we managed to get out more or less calmly. although the answer is also quite simple: we went there and began to develop, rather than bomb, bomb and bomb again. so our experience is unlikely to help them.
    1. tttttt
      tttttt April 21 2013 15: 22
      +2
      Guys, what conclusions are you talking about? You are bred as suckers. This is not an output but an input. Amer that, otherwise how through the Union can not leave? The shortest way or what? Few ship planes? Yes, these creatures at any cost do not want to get into Russia so into Central Asia ... by bribery, flattery, blackmail, force, but they have to get in, don't you understand? I won't be surprised if after Boston they want to go to the Caucasus to Chechnya. By the way, the Masonic card "Kadyrov" has not been played yet (for those who are in the know).
  27. shinobi
    shinobi April 20 2013 12: 48
    +5
    Apparently, the American strategists finally began to get the simple truth about the real strength of any of the armies and the American one in particular. And this strength is in the soldiers who are fighting. And not in those super devices that the Pentagon relies on so much. Judging by the feedback of our veterans Yugoslavia, the average soldier in the US army is weak for an emigrant. His goal is to earn citizenship, but not to die for him. There are very good fighters among them, usually Americans in the second and third generations. Our army is far from being as bad as this thought is being instilled, and their army is not a role model.
    PS: Amer in his repertoire, as always in the rest, heaped up the region and eaten up. And all this will have to be raked after them by the Russian van. And what the most filthy, the Russian Ivan from this holiday can not be drained. all this fun.
  28. Canep
    Canep April 20 2013 13: 20
    +6
    They need to donate Bondarchuk's "9th company", this historical "masterpiece" may be good for something.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 20 2013 19: 55
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      They need to donate Bondarchuk's "9th company", this historical "masterpiece" may be good for something.

      The 9th company needs to be presented to the Taliban, while they will watch the amers can calmly dump.
  29. wax
    wax April 20 2013 13: 42
    +4
    The Taliban fought with poppy plantations, and the Americans guarded them. So who is our friend and who is the enemy? It is time to end long ago following the ideology of America, which is completely hostile to Russia, and not consider its enemies to be our enemies. Our friends in the southwestern sector are Iran and Afghanistan, which do not need to be told how to live. Immediately everything is formed in the best way with Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Asian bays.
  30. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 20 2013 14: 06
    +3
    let them get bogged down there for another 10 years.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 14: 16
      +4
      Quote: Alikovo
      let them get bogged down there for another 10 years.

      And it already depends on us what we advise ...
    2. Simon
      Simon April 21 2013 07: 15
      0
      Yes, it was then that it was precisely the Afghan that would pull all the money from the Amer’s budget and let Amers go around the world. laughing good
  31. Diesel
    Diesel April 20 2013 14: 13
    +3
    Nato and the Americans do not need a second Vietnam, woooooot, we lost
  32. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 20 2013 14: 18
    +1
    Got it, I'm a grave! Hey pa! watch the joke!
  33. vjhbc
    vjhbc April 20 2013 15: 10
    -6
    and that under the brand of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, they enter the territory of Russia, disperse and capture key points and all write letters in small handwriting and do not have to invade yourself
  34. Ulysses
    Ulysses April 20 2013 15: 28
    +1
    Get you out of there. That's all the advice. winked
  35. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 20 2013 15: 30
    +3
    I have one great tip for NATO, not only in Afghanistan, but around the world - lay down your arms and give up!
  36. Tony tomahawk
    Tony tomahawk April 20 2013 15: 31
    +3
    It's time, why did they even climb there? No, well, it’s clear to everyone why, but the USSR has long been gone, it’s time to drown from there.
    Military goals were not achieved, the Taliban were not overthrown, the territory of Afghanistan was not cleaned up, they did not destroy their al-Qaeda pupils, in fact, for what they fought, they ran into something.
    Drug traffic has grown significantly, the CIA is the largest drug dealer in the world, everyone knows where they "seize" this drug, thousands of military men died, the US army showed its truly barbaric face, slaughtering families and organizing massacres.
    So let them run with their tail tail, let's goodbye!
  37. Black
    Black April 20 2013 15: 49
    0
    This "ZhZhZhZh" is not without reason, as Vinnie said ... "the partner's face" is writhing. They hardly need our experience, rather, as a transit territory.
  38. horoh
    horoh April 20 2013 15: 59
    +4
    Still, crap and now quietly decided to blame, warriors hu .. you laughing
  39. de klermon
    de klermon April 20 2013 16: 12
    +6
    Auntie, let the water get drunk, or you want to eat so much that there’s nowhere to sleep!))) Boris Gromov should go on a business trip to them ... It’s amazing how they themselves didn’t guess to call him directly!)))

    PS Let Rambo with Hard Nut ask for advice! And then they climbed in, scattered the hornet’s nest in our backyard more than ever, and now take them out of there, and even so that their reputation as supermen does not suffer !!! Will not stick together anywhere, huh?
  40. antidote
    antidote April 20 2013 16: 15
    +5
    It is clear that the amers do not know how to get out of the Afghan trap.
    But pin up news from the usa. The Boston bombing Obama called the greatest terrorist threat.
    Two boys put all America on ravines. When the Boston boy was caught extinct, several thousand police officers didn’t catch a terrorist, an unprepared saboteur, but a young man with a pistol, and when he was caught, all of America rejoiced, as if military operations against an external enemy had been completed. trained saboteurs? They probably paralyze half the country.
    1. tttttt
      tttttt April 21 2013 23: 09
      0
      Two boys put all America on ravines.

      These guys most likely have nothing to do with it. They led them, of course, before the attack, grazed them, and at the right moment they began to hunt them, making ordinary Chechen bandits terrorists.
  41. antidote
    antidote April 20 2013 16: 17
    +1
    It is interesting that the word p and n s do not penetrate into the text, the letter s is displayed instead.
  42. antidote
    antidote April 20 2013 16: 18
    +1
    But pin up news from the usa. The Boston bombing Obama called the greatest terrorist threat.
    Two boys put all America on ravines. When the Boston boy was caught extinct, several thousand police officers didn’t catch a terrorist, an unprepared saboteur, but a young man with a pistol, and when he was caught, all of America rejoiced, as if military operations against an external enemy had been completed. trained saboteurs? They probably paralyze half the country.
  43. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian April 20 2013 17: 20
    +1
    Do not forget that Amin betrayed his word, 3A that he was justly "taken away". The Soviet school showed itself from the best side - capture and destruction, at the cost of the least losses! Not just men - but ghosts!

    And the Taliban is just 6, and among Muslims they are 0, but Afghanistan is a very beautiful and diverse country with a rich history and an invincible people. Well done elders, what the Taliban predicted!
  44. Anton Russian
    Anton Russian April 20 2013 17: 30
    +3
    Hypocrisy, ranging from politics, ending with the smiling inhabitants of the country of "freedom". A free and prosperous America asks for advice from an unwashed and undemocratic occupying country .. funny)
  45. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS April 20 2013 17: 35
    +1
    Gryba from there on all your rotten unfortunate hammers and parodies of the tank, the Yankees are dicky ... or else they’re giving you Mujahideen around your neck until the last one’s slider near the border !!! :) :) :) And if through our territory, you’ll run too in the style of a mask, or else we will pour a bit :) :) :)
  46. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 20 2013 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Withoutdream
    It can be seen quite hard for them there. For the past 30 years they have not asked our opinion. They introduced what they wanted and where they wanted, and deduced when they wanted and where they wanted. Apparently they are not interested in the technical issue of this process, but in the political one. How did we withdraw our troops on clean roads and without loss, what needs to be done, who should smile, who should threaten with a finger. It goes without saying that without specific agreements, during the withdrawal, they will leave 1/3 of their contingent with corpses and burnt skeletons of equipment in the same place.

    They are shouting to the whole world that they have minimal losses, but in fact, I guess the load of 200 is off scale.
  47. washi
    washi April 20 2013 17: 39
    +3
    We need to give a damn about Amerov’s campaign. Arrange with the Taliban, Afghan Kurds, Uzbeks, Tajiks. We do not get into their political structure, we supply grain, fuel, and restore what we built. They smuggle drugs into the USA, Britain and do not climb into the territory of the USSR.
    There is experience in negotiations with the Taliban.
  48. mojohed
    mojohed April 20 2013 17: 39
    +1
    Representatives of NATO are asking for a council or in some other form, apparently due to the lack of experience in providing operations to cover the withdrawal of troops from such a problematic region. The desire to eliminate losses or minimize them is understandable and obvious, but without Russian airborne troops and GRU special forces they cannot get what they want out of reality.
    I believe that the withdrawal will be accompanied by loud statements about the holding of large military operations in Afghanistan. The troops of the Afghans themselves, who have "trained" "to fight" from the owners, will most likely be involved in this. They will also inflict air bombing assault strikes on the meta of the likely accumulation of gangs preparing to wash the amers with blood.
  49. iliq
    iliq April 20 2013 18: 23
    -1
    pins the "discussion" of "stupid Americans" on the basis of "fried news" sucked from ... (it's inconvenient to mention it in a decent society) by an Internet journalist.
    along with this (zhurnushlyushka) are the "inventors" of the poster for May 9 and February 23 with Israeli Merkavas, American Abrams and German Tigers.


    Well, and a few more pearls from fellow afftor:
    http://joy.vdv-s.ru/?item=1625
  50. Masterzserg
    Masterzserg April 20 2013 18: 28
    +4
    "Americans confused the Czech Republic with Chechnya and offered to bomb it" Once again, the themselves undermined in order to start a new campaign, is it really a blow to us? Or again, the American information stink, like 080808?