Cash in circulation under Stalin

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Cash in circulation under Stalin


In view of some interest in the topic of finances in Stalin's times, I decided to continue the topic, devoting a little more attention to the circulation of cash. As in the case of Stalin's credit, Stalin's rules in the matter of cash circulation were no less specific, and some of their features should not be discussed.



But we have a good source. It is the textbook "Banking Statistics", compiled in 1940 and 1948 by F.D. Livshits. The textbook was intended for training bank employees, and many points were interpreted more than transparently there.

Livshits Fyodor Davydovich is the founder of Soviet banking and credit statistics. After the economics department of the Odessa Polytechnic Institute, which he graduated from in 1921, he quickly got into the State Planning Committee of the RSFSR, then the People's Commissariat of Finance of the USSR, where he worked until 1931. After that, he worked as a teacher: Moscow Credit and Economic Institute, then the Correspondence Credit and Economic Institute, and since 1946, the All-Union Correspondence Financial Institute, then also the Financial and Economic Institute. In 2012, it was merged into the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation.

Despite some disdain for correspondence higher education, this institute did important work - it trained personnel without interrupting their work: leading economists, chief accountants, employees of the USSR State Bank, and so on. During its entire existence, about 500 thousand people were trained there. A significant role in this was played by F.D. Livshits, who was supposed to explain how to properly conduct banking statistics.

Money and income of the population


Of course, he described the system of cash circulation. In general, we will follow his presentation, supplementing it with other materials if necessary.

Cash turnover in the USSR was also planned - a cash plan. It was compiled quarterly, broken down into months, and approved by the government as part of the credit plan, which was discussed in the previous article. The credit plan took into account the turnover of all money: non-cash and cash, and the cash plan - only cash. These plans were closely linked. F.D. Livshits wrote:

"If all bank operations were reduced to non-cash transfers from account to account within the socialized socialist sector, then the balance of the credit plan would always be identically equal to zero. However, this is not the case. Cash payments are made from the settlement and current accounts of our enterprises and organizations every minute through the bank's cash desks, and cash is almost continuously received into these same accounts through the bank's cash desks, not to mention the bank's operations directly with the population. Consequently, if the balance of the credit plan for a given period is not equal to zero, then this arises solely from the discrepancy between the incoming and outgoing transactions in that part of its turnover that is carried out in cash through the cash desks, i.e., in that part that is entirely reflected in the bank's cash plan." (p. 306)

This is especially for those who still believe in the absurd theories of "two-circuit money circulation". F.D. Livshits has formulated everything in a way that leaves no doubt.

He emphasized that the balance of cash turnover expresses the coincidence of the balances of four plans: the credit plan of the State Bank, the cash plan of the State Bank, changes in the volume of money supply and the balance of monetary income and expenditure of the population.

Now let's listen to Comrade V.P. Dyachenko, how the purpose of cash was understood in the USSR. Vasily Petrovich Dyachenko, Corresponding Member of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Professor, Doctor of Economics, after graduating from the Economics Department of the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute in 1929, worked until 1947 in the People's Commissariat (Ministry) of Finance of the USSR and during the preparation and implementation of the monetary reform of 1947, he headed the monetary circulation group of the Ministry of Finance. From 1947 until his death in 1971, he worked at the Institute of Economics of the USSR Academy of Sciences and at the State Economic Institute named after G.V. Plekhanov.

In his work "History Finance of the USSR”, published after his death, in 1978, V.P. Dyachenko quite frankly stated that cash serves the relations between the socialized economy and the population, that is, wages and payment for goods and services purchased by the population in the socialized economy. Also:

“An excess of the population’s monetary expenditures over its monetary incomes means the withdrawal of money from circulation, and an excess of the population’s monetary incomes over its monetary expenditures means an increase in the release of the money supply into circulation” (p. 391).

Is it possible to put money into circulation?


The cash plan took into account all aspects of cash circulation, starting with their production, i.e. printing at the Goznak factory, right up to the destruction of worn-out and unusable banknotes.

Sealed paper money and minted coins were transferred from Goznak and mints to the monetary bases of the State Bank, where they were stored pending subsequent use. It is worth mentioning right away that F.D. Livshits specifies the types of paper money. USSR State Bank notes are large-denomination banknotes: 10, 25, 50 and 100 rubles. They are backed by gold, precious metals and other assets of the State Bank. Treasury banknotes are small-denomination banknotes: 1, 3, 5 rubles, intended exclusively for exchanging State Bank notes.

From the monetary bases, by decision of the Emission Department of the State Bank of the USSR, cash was transferred to emission funds. Here is their function was very interesting. Firstly, the funds issued new money into circulation by transferring it to the circulating cash desks of the branches of the State Bank of the USSR. Secondly, they withdrew money from circulation, and not only worn-out ones.

The fact is that the revolving cash desks had the right to dispose of the amounts they had only during the operating day, when cash was issued and collected. Each branch of the USSR State Bank had a maximum cash balance, over which excess money was immediately transferred to the emission funds. When recounting, the money was sorted by denomination, old and unusable banknotes were selected, which after being transferred to the emission fund were written off for destruction.

The State Bank branch reported by telegraph to the regional, territorial or republican office about the completed transfer of cash to the emission fund, both in terms of the amount and composition of the banknotes.

When a branch needed additional cash over and above the incoming cash, that is, cash reinforcement, the branch could not take it from the emission fund. A telegraphic request for the issue of money was sent to the office, the office, having summarized the requests, sent a telegraphic request to the Emission Department of the State Bank of the USSR. If permission came from there, then the branch was informed by telegraph what amount and in what denominations it could take from the emission fund.

That is, the system of regulating the circulation of cash for withdrawal worked freely, but permission was required for its release into circulation. Now let's look at Dyakonov: the withdrawal of money from circulation meant that the population's expenses exceeded its income.

Why do you need money?!!


So, you could come to a branch of the USSR State Bank and demand cash? Here is an enterprise that had an account, there was money in the account... No, Comrade Stalin was not so benevolent. In 1930, during the credit reform, a rule was established: on the back of the payment document, the client indicated the purpose for which cash was being withdrawn. If there were several purposes, the total amount was divided into appropriate parts. Date, signature. Codes were introduced that bank and accounting employees knew almost by heart, which simplified the entries. For example, "62" is wages. Under the codes, transactions were recorded in the cash journals of the State Bank branches and cash reporting.


Formally, as F.D. Livshits writes, for statistical accounting. But not only. Also for control. The State Bank had the right to check the targeted spending of cash issued to an enterprise, organization or institution. For example, payroll records were compared with cash books. Any payments to an employee in excess of the amounts issued by the bank for wages were prohibited. The fact is that all enterprises, organizations and institutions that had cash proceeds were required to hand them over on the same day or, at most, the next day. According to the "Instructions of the State Bank of the USSR on the collection of cash proceeds" of 1943, proceeds could only be spent on urgent needs and on the formation of a cash balance according to the standard. If the audit revealed other expenses from the cash proceeds, then this was classified as illegal spending of cash proceeds, the enterprise was deprived of the right to spend money from the proceeds, and those guilty of untimely and incomplete delivery of proceeds were sent to cut down trees in a camp - criminal liability.

Overspending of wages was also prohibited, except in the case of overfulfillment of the plan. If the overspending was large, then permission from the People's Commissariat or the Ministry was required to issue at the expense of redistribution of the wage fund in the department.

So, the factory's accounting department received cash from the State Bank for salaries, distributed it to the proletariat, and the proletariat went off to drink away their earnings...

On the same day, cash proceeds began to flow into the State Bank branch. According to F.D. Livshits, 85-90% of the cash inflow was the proceeds of trading enterprises, determined by the payment of wages. Groups of collectors with special numbered bags sealed with wax seals went out to collect it. The collector gave the enterprise accountant an empty bag for the proceeds of the next day, and he himself took the one already filled with money, which was sealed in his presence and receipts were filled out. Much attention was devoted to manipulations with bags in the collection instructions. The bags were brought to the State Bank branch, opened there, their contents were recounted and registered.


Before the war, apparently, there was a practice that the amount of cash deposited was credited to the enterprise account the next day before lunch. During the war, the requirement became strict - to credit on the same day.

Thus, cash in its bulk, about 80-85% of those put into circulation, if they left the circulating cash desks of the USSR State Bank, then only for a short time - for a day or several days. The aforementioned authors do not provide statistics on this matter, but it seems that more than half of the cash left the cash desks of the State Bank for a period of less than an operational day.

F.D. Livshits wrote that it is difficult to organize accurate statistical accounting of cash turnover:

“Let’s assume that we managed to register, over the course of at least one month, all cases of transfer of banknotes with the following characteristics: the exact time of transfer, place, counterparties of the transaction, economic basis for the transfer (sale of goods, provision of services, withdrawal from bank accounts, etc.), type and quantity of goods sold, amount of money, number of banknotes involved, their denominations, etc.” (p. 380).


And he was very upset about this:

“Of course, such an ideally conceivable formulation of the study of money circulation is unrealizable.”

Comrade Livshits died in 1975, long before the advent of today's banking systems. There is no doubt that the management of the State Bank of the USSR during Stalin's time would have been overjoyed by the modern cashless payment system, and they would have solemnly decreed the abolition of cash for all time.

So, thanks to the efforts of Sberbank, VTB and others, we have in a certain sense come closer to communism.

Actual control


Now a little banter from Igor Guberman:

For the benefit of the hegemonic class,
so that he may rule without fail,
available for frisking at any moment
a single hegemon.

He slandered, of course. But, since Guberman was first a railroad worker, then a dissident, then a prisoner, and then an emigrant, he simply knew nothing about the USSR State Bank system, where such unreliable people were not allowed anywhere near and, like most Soviet citizens, were not told anything significant.

If he had known about the methods of the USSR State Bank, he would have understood that the police and the KGB controlled the proletariat only occasionally, when it had completely gone wild. In reality, the Soviet proletariat, like every single proletarian, was under the pencil of the accounting department of his native factory and the local branch of the USSR State Bank standing behind the factory accounting department. The entire life of the Soviet hegemonic class passed through the accounts of the USSR State Bank.


Many people believe that the Nagant was the main means of defense of the Soviet power. But this is not true.


This is what Soviet power actually defended itself with: accounts and ledgers!!

People with bills in their hands, sitting in special rooms behind iron doors and bars, watched his every step. And this was the real control on which the might of Soviet power was built.

Stalin's system of cash circulation, together with the tax system and various methods of mobilizing funds, such as loan subscriptions, was set up to give people the bare minimum of money, only to cover their daily expenses. Firstly, as a way of forcing them to work. Secondly, so that there would be no opportunity to accumulate capital, even the most insignificant. Thirdly, so that the amount of cash that remained in circulation in the hands of the population remained as small as possible, so that conditions for private enterprise would not arise. If there is no solvent demand, then there is no enterprise.

And there is no, or practically no, other way except to strengthen the socialized socialist economy with our own labor.
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  1. +4
    17 September 2025 05: 20
    There is practically no other way except to strengthen the socialized socialist economy with one's own labor.
    There is no such thing now....
    1. + 12
      17 September 2025 06: 44
      And Ostap Bender claimed: “If there are banknotes in the country, then there should be people who have a lot of them.”
      1. +6
        17 September 2025 09: 01
        It is in the interests of the modern state to get rid of cash altogether. If all payments and transfers are made by card, this means that all money movements will be known to banks and the state.
        This could eradicate bribery. But new Ostap Benders are sure to emerge.
        1. mz
          +9
          17 September 2025 12: 02
          Quote: Blacksmith 55

          It is in the interests of the modern state to get rid of cash altogether. If all payments and transfers are made by card, this means that all money movements will be known to banks and the state.
          This can help to eradicate bribery.

          No, it won't work. If the system is fundamentally built to extract material benefits for those in power through corrupt methods, then this won't help. They'll be more likely to take "greyhound puppies," jewelry, expensive items and equipment, the labor of a construction crew for a measly year or two on land belonging to the deputy mayor's grandmother, and so on.
          The absence of cash will allow the state to increase control over the lives of ordinary citizens, but it will not help in the fight against corruption.
          1. +1
            17 September 2025 14: 56
            In Sweden, no one pays in cash anymore.
            If I ask my neighbor to build me a fence and pay through a bank, the state will know about it. Of course, if the neighbor is a drunk, I can pay in foreign currency. But these are all minor details. If you're playing for high stakes, you'll have to find a way to pay another way, somehow bypassing the bank.
            That's why I wrote, there will be other Ostaps.
        2. Qas
          +1
          20 September 2025 13: 45
          A bribe isn't just cash. It can also be a favor, real estate, or a verbal agreement. And people will come up with many other ways to circumvent the system.
        3. 0
          4 October 2025 13: 44
          Quote: smith 55
          It is in the interests of the modern state to get rid of cash altogether. If all payments and transfers are made by card, this means that all money movements will be known to banks and the state.
          This could eradicate bribery. But new Ostap Benders are sure to emerge.

          It's quite simple - cards of the deceased, marginalized people, prisoners, migrants, alcoholics, the incapacitated, the elderly, etc.
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    1. +5
      17 September 2025 05: 57
      Quote: Alexander_Makedonskov
      Hmm... So it means that the followers of the Stalinist system want to introduce digital money... winked She's like...

      Our modern bourgeoisie is flesh and blood of this system... but what an evolution they have undergone from Stalin's ideas to the digital ruble... it's simply brilliant. smile
    2. +2
      17 September 2025 06: 59
      *Hmm... So it's the followers of the Stalinist system who want to introduce digital money... winked Wow...
      And digital cards, too. Even now, when you apply for a card, the bank asks, "Do you need plastic, you bastard?" They say a digital card is super convenient. Probably.
    3. +4
      17 September 2025 12: 14
      Quote: Alexander_Makedonskov
      Hmm... So it means that the followers of the Stalinist system want to introduce digital money...

      Digital money is what the followers of the theory of total control and management want to implement. Whether they are right, left, or center is irrelevant. The Stalinist system is just a special case.
    4. +5
      18 September 2025 09: 07
      followers of the Stalinist system...

      The article doesn't quite accurately describe cash flow. Under Stalin, there was an artel system for producing consumer goods, which Khrushchev foolishly abolished. This required significant funds for cash flow, sales, and purchasing products from various manufacturers and raw material suppliers. The cash flow of enterprises (funds for travel, procurement, work, such as geological surveys, etc.) is not yet described.
      One-sided analysis.
  3. +8
    17 September 2025 05: 31
    And it seems scientific, but all the value of the article, if it still exists, is crossed out by this statement.
    "Stalin's system of cash circulation, together with the tax system and various methods of mobilizing funds, such as loan subscriptions, was designed to to give people the bare minimum of money, only to pay for household expenses."
    At a minimum CASH money, and even that is questionable.
    In general, where it doesn’t concern chemistry, the author often spouts nonsense.
    1. -1
      4 October 2025 13: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      At a minimum CASH money, and even that is doubtful.

      There is no doubt at all - the 1947 reform was aimed at confiscating money.
      And yes, cashless circulation for the population did not exist in principle.
      I could put no more than... on the book.
      1. 0
        4 October 2025 14: 26
        Quote: your1970
        There is no doubt at all - the 1947 reform was aimed at confiscating money.

        A huge amount of money ending up in the hands of speculators, a huge amount of cash ending up in enemy hands, and a huge amount of counterfeit money. And during that time, the ruble depreciated by about seven times.
        1. -1
          4 October 2025 14: 43
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: your1970
          There is no doubt at all - the 1947 reform was aimed at confiscating money.

          A huge amount of money ending up in the hands of speculators, a huge amount of cash ending up in enemy hands, and a huge amount of counterfeit money. And during that time, the ruble depreciated by about seven times.

          This is exactly what I wrote - the state was striving minimize cash in the hands of the population
          1. 0
            4 October 2025 15: 02
            Quote: your1970
            This is exactly what I wrote - the state sought to minimize the amount of cash in the hands of the population

            Well, of course, denomination, the removal of counterfeit money, and the prevention of the circulation of money stolen by the enemy and plundered through speculation and theft—that's nonsense. The main goal was to minimize. Minimize what? Salaries weren't affected, they were large, and small deposits—these are the deposits of the majority of the population, and some deposits weren't affected. So, the idea of ​​minimizing is nonsense—that's not the purpose of the reform.
            1. -1
              4 October 2025 16: 37
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              What should we minimize? Salaries haven't been affected, they're high, and small deposits—these are the deposits of the majority of the population—some deposits haven't been affected.

              Well, of course, my salary didn't suffer. lol - only prices increased due to the abolition of cards and the elimination of pre-war card prices.
              And yes, everything you listed -
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              denomination, confiscation of counterfeits, prevention of circulation of thefts and plunder by the enemy
              - this includes minimizing the amount of cash in the hands of the population
              1. 0
                4 October 2025 17: 34
                Quote: your1970
                Only prices increased due to the abolition of rationing and the elimination of pre-war rationing prices.

                Yeah, right. Six years of inflation, the western part of the country in ruins, and yet prices are supposed to remain at pre-war levels? Don't you see anything odd in your logic? And you don't want to take market prices and commercial prices into account? After all, the new uniform prices are noticeably lower than commercial and market prices. Isn't that interesting?

                Quote: your1970
                This includes minimizing the amount of cash in the hands of the population
                These are worries about a speculator's teardrop. Because the vast majority of people haven't been affected by the cash shortage. Just like now, most people don't have any significant savings. Just like now, withdrawing cash from an account is a minimal hassle. You just need to apply, if the amount is large, to your local savings bank.
                1. -1
                  4 October 2025 18: 33
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  After all, the new uniform prices are noticeably lower than commercial and market prices. Isn't that interesting?

                  Interesting. The problem is that as soon as they abolished rationing—and effectively double control (of rationing and cash) for sales—store managers began renting out their stores wholesale to speculators. And they were elusive: "Here comes the product, here comes the money—every last penny. And what the store doesn't have, the people snatch it up!" (C).
                  And market prices immediately reacted and rose even more.
                  And the population remembered the cards with longing - with their guaranteed volume and low pre-war prices.

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  This is the experience of a speculator's tear.

                  The tears are absolutely purple. The problem is that throughout the entire existence of the USSR, it was unable to overcome mass speculation.

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  As is the case now, the majority of people do not have any special savings.

                  lol lol lol Of course not - that's reptiloid 295 billion for 2024 stolen...
                  "We believe that based on the results 2024 Russians were robbed in the year – these are not Sberbank clients, these are the general statistics for the country – no less 295 billion rubles. An unprecedented figure."
                  https://www.vesti.ru/article/4537994?ysclid=mgcfbiwagl79943430
                  And this NOT all the statistics - a bunch of people don't say - "They won't find it anyway, what's the point!!!" (C)
                  And no one has any money, yeah...
                2. -1
                  4 October 2025 19: 16
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  After all, the new uniform prices are noticeably lower than commercial and market prices. Isn't that interesting?

                  Interesting. But there's a catch: abolishing rationing eliminated the dual control (of rationing and cash), after which managers began renting out stores wholesale to profiteers for a pittance. And the population groaned: there were no more cheap rationed products, the markets were still expensive, and the stores were empty.

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  This is the experience of a speculator's tear.
                  I don't feel sorry at all

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Because the vast majority of people weren't affected by the cash shortage. Just like now, most people don't have any significant savings.

                  But this is funny wassat - no one has any money, but the population has been robbed 295 minimum belay billion belay - because a lot of people don't say, "They won't find it anyway!!"

                  "Based on statements from clients of various banks, fraudsters stole approximately 28 billion rubles from Russians in 2024. According to statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which are also based on statements from victims, the amount by the end of last year was at least 200 billion rubles," he clarified.
                  "We believe that By the end of 2024, Russians were robbed—not of Sberbank clients, but of the overall national total—of at least 295 billion rubles. The figure is unprecedented."
                  https://www.vesti.ru/article/4537994?ysclid=mgcfbiwagl79943430
                  1. +1
                    5 October 2025 16: 20
                    Thank you, I understood it the first time.
                    Quote: your1970
                    But there's a catch: the abolition of rationing eliminated the dual control (of rationing and cash), after which managers began to sell their stores wholesale to profiteers for a pittance. And the population groaned: there were no more cheap rationed products, the markets were still expensive, and the stores were empty.

                    The nuance you invented? Firstly, the abolition of rationing and commercial trade DRAFTLY reduces the possibility of profiteering – where are they supposed to sell food, and on such a massive scale that "the stores are empty"?
                    Secondly, don't throw away all this nonsense about double control being worse than single control. It depends on how the single control is set up. And given the strict laws against theft and profiteering, especially the fact that people weren't shy about reporting it to the NKVD/MGB, it's impossible to steal so en masse that "the stores are empty."
                    And thirdly, who would buy up the "wholesale stores"? The money supply was confiscated...
                    What you've written is simply the most stupid lie. Because even the most die-hard anti-Sovietists don't say anything about "there's nothing in the stores" after 1947. There was everything the economy and transportation could offer.

                    Quote: your1970
                    This is ridiculous, wassat - no one has any money, but at least 295 billion belay have been stolen from the population - because a bunch of people don't say, "They won't find it anyway!!"
                    Of course it's funny. If you don't know how to count and miss real, not imagined, nuances. Because 300 billion is only 6 rubles per 50 million people. But if it's a million, then it's only 300. And what if it's 000 million? So we're no longer talking about massive million-dollar deposits. Plus, some bureaucrat transferred a record 400 million. And how many of these former and current "servants of the people" have they scammed? That's counting.
                    And as for the nuances, aren't you aware that especially gifted people were tricked into taking out loans, even if there was a shortage of their own?
                    So you, along with the author, are spinning some nonsense in your head about confiscating cash from the PEOPLE.
                    And you personally live in some kind of rosy world, where the people of Russia had and still have vast savings. That's why the microloan network hasn't gone away...
                    1. -1
                      5 October 2025 21: 57
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Thank you, I understood it the first time.

                      There was a glitch, the post was deleted, I rewrote it and it appeared again.

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Firstly, the abolition of cards and commercial trade DRAFTLY reduces the possibility of speculation - Where should we hand over the food, especially in such large quantities that "there's nothing left in the stores"?
                      Secondly, don't throw out any nonsense about double control being worse than single control. It depends on how the single control is set up.
                      - the goods on the ration cards had a pre-war price of a penny and were sold at that price. The store director -NOT commercial I couldn't sell goods without ration cards, physically. I received 100 kg of fats (or bread or cereals—it doesn't matter)—account for it in cash and ration coupons. If there's enough cash, the goods are sold, but there aren't enough ration cards, it's a criminal offense. That was double control. until cancellation of cards.
                      From the reports of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs:
                      “...from December 16, 1947 to May 1, 1948, the Ministry of Internal Affairs discovered goods hidden from accounting and stolen in the amount of 61,715,187 rubles and discovered illegal deposits in savings banks and branches of the State Bank in the amount of 101,288,500 rubles.
                      The total amount of funds returned to the state as compensation for damages caused by criminals during the monetary reform amounts to over 160 million rubles.
                      Criminal liability has been brought for crimes related to the implementation of monetary reform. 10,784 (BOLD - 10,000 traders!!!!!!!!) employees of trade organizations... "
                      10784 - only caught

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      and especially the fact that in the NKVD/MGB people were not shy about reporting, It's impossible to steal on a massive scale so that "there's nothing left in the stores"
                      lol lol lol lol fool -in the country where whether it was during the USSR or now Drivers blink at oncoming traffic cops, and the word "snitch" is the same as "homosexual" - talking about people going to the NKVD/MGB to inform on them - well, that's very naive/stupid...


                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And thirdly, who would buy up the "wholesale stores"? The money supply was confiscated...
                      - all the same drug dealers/speculators/criminals who received money illegally through criminal means.



                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      What if it's ten million each? That is, we're no longer talking about mass million-dollar deposits.

                      Of course it doesn't work - all these people, deceived by scammers, are apparently all either officials or Chubais
                      Just the first ones who came across the "pensioner was deceived by scammers..."
                      July 23, 2025, 15:45 PM
                      1208
                      Fraudsters stole from a pensioner 35 млн rubles, threatening a data leak"
                      https://ren.tv/news/kriminal/1353435-moshenniki-pokhitili-u-pensionera-35-mln-rublei-napugav-utechkoi-dannykh
                      A 76-year-old retired physicist became the victim of a telephone scam: he gave the scammers more than 5 million rubles and almost sold my apartment.
                      https://ngs.ru/text/criminal/2025/10/03/76056280/
                      02 September 2025, 10: 20
                      A man who claimed to be the governor and stole from a pensioner was detained in St. Petersburg. 20 млн
                      https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2025/09/02/26631026.shtml
                      Phone scammers stole a pensioner from Moscow 58 mln rubles
                      The man handed over all his savings, as well as money from the sale of his car, to the scammers.
                      Read on WWW.MSK.KP.RU: https://www.msk.kp.ru/online/news/6309327/
                      January 31, 2022, 14:06 PM Incidents
                      Fraudsters in Saratov stole more than 17 million rubles from a pensioner.
                      Read more: https://www.m24.ru/news/proisshestviya/31012022/202512?utm_source=CopyBuf
                      23 January 2024 18: 47
                      In Saratov, fake gas workers stole from a pensioner a million and a half rubles
                      Saratov police are searching for gas workers who are scamming them.
                      Read on WWW.SARATOV.KP.RU: https://www.saratov.kp.ru/online/news/5641501/
                      09 December 2024, 17: 27
                      Fraudsters scared an elderly Saratov resident with a federal search warrant and lured him out 7 млн rubles
                      https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2024/12/09/24583868.shtml
                      19.04.2025 in 16: 04
                      Fraudsters stole almost everything from Saratov pensioners 6 million rubles https://saratov.mk.ru/incident/2025/04/19/moshenniki-ukrali-u-saratovskikh-pensionerov-pochti-6-millionov-rubley.html

                      Unfortunately, it's not confirmed by anything for you (my friends at the cops told me). In my hometown, last year, 80-odd complaints were filed for 62 million stolen by fraudsters. And yes, there are no "prrrrrsales bureaucrats" or "bourgeois capitalists" on the lists—they simply don't exist in such quantities in the town; it's a small town.
                      People up to 10-15,000 don't even file complaints.

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And you personally live in some kind of rosy world, where the people of Russia had and still have vast savings. That's why the microloan network hasn't gone away...
                      - the same people who gave away 390 million to our fellow countryman in 2023. The pyramid is purely for their own benefit, "well, you know me." lol lol
                      Where are microloans without suckers, where are suckers without microloans....
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                        6 October 2025 09: 09
                        Quote: your1970
                        The goods rationed had a pre-war, penny-dollar price and were sold at that price. The director of a store—not a commercial one—couldn't sell goods without rationing cards, physically couldn't. If 100 kg of fats (or bread, or cereals—it doesn't matter) arrived, you had to report it in cash and cut-off coupons. If there was enough cash and the goods were sold, but there weren't enough rationing cards, it was a criminal offense. This was double control—before rationing was abolished.
                        Surplus goods for sale/stealing always resulted from underweight/dilution. This is the most basic thing. You don't understand this basic thing... But a tenfold or more difference between the rationing price and the market price allowed for the accumulation of enormous sums, over seven years. And this is the most basic thing you don't understand.


                        Quote: your1970
                        From the reports of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs:
                        “...from December 16, 1947 to May 1, 1948, the Ministry of Internal Affairs discovered goods hidden from accounting and stolen in the amount of 61,715,187 rubles and discovered illegal deposits in savings banks and branches of the State Bank in the amount of 101,288,500 rubles.

                        Since you don't understand the simplest, everyday things that any housewife understands, you couldn't understand what the reports show, and especially the dates of the sodas that you cited.
                        But let me explain:
                        From December 16, 1947 to May 1, 1948, the Ministry of Internal Affairs identified goods that were hidden from accounting and stolen.

                        This shows that the goods stolen, by the above and other means, could not be REDEEMED, because the accumulated money of the old type had suddenly lost its appeal, and there was no intelligence or opportunity, not even to hide, but to destroy the surplus.
                        Illegal deposits in savings banks and branches of the State Bank totaling 101,288,500 rubles were identified
                        This shows that there were individuals who lacked intelligence and were overly brazen. And how many were far more cautious, preferring to lose money rather than their freedom or their skin.
                        These reports show one of the main goals of the reform, and not what you and the author have in your head about the role of cash.


                        Quote: your1970
                        In a country where, whether in the USSR or now, drivers blink at oncoming traffic cops, and the word "snitch" is the same as "homosexual," talking about people going to the NKVD/MGB to turn in is just incredibly naive/stupid...
                        Ahaha, actually, the attitude towards traffic cops and traders was about the same in the late Soviet era, and flashing your headlights is a way of "snitching" on the traffic cops.
                        But you won't understand this. Because you don't understand that giving in to the traffic cops and filing a complaint with an angry worker or his wife, or with the authorities, or the city, district, or regional council about a suspicious lack of goods in stores, while they are available in "free trade," are two very different things. And not knowing about the "4 million denunciations"...


                        Quote: your1970
                        In my hometown, last year, 80 and a bit claims were filed for 62 million stolen by fraudsters. And yes, there are no "prrrrrsales bureaucrats" or "bourgeois capitalists" on the lists - they simply don't exist in such quantities in the town, it's a small town.
                        Is your town so small that 80 people make up a significant portion of its population? That's why I'm writing this: you don't understand numbers...

                        Quote: your1970
                        People up to 10-15,000 don't even file complaints.
                        Although how can you understand the numbers if you consider 10-15 thousand to be significant savings?

                        Quote: your1970
                        Where are microloans without suckers, where are suckers without microloans...
                        You're so in "your own little world" that you don't understand that people take out microloans out of desperation...

                        You don’t know and don’t understand the SIMPLE things, what’s there to argue with you about?
                      2. 0
                        6 October 2025 11: 01
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        You don’t know and don’t understand the SIMPLE things, what’s there to argue with you about?

                        Well, since you read what is written NOT You don't know how to use the Ministry of Internal Affairs reports, Sberbank information, information about theft from the population - the discussion is truly pointless.
                        You didn't understand the author's message (and mine) - the state was taking money from the population. NOT in order to rob the population, but to stop inflation, reduce the huge excess of the money supply and confiscate significant funds acquired dishonestly
                        As usual, you saw "they write badly about the USSR" and galloped off with your saber at the ready - who knows where or why...

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Is your town so small that 80 people make up a significant portion of its population? That's why I'm writing this: you don't understand numbers...

                        As usual, you don't understand what your opponent wrote. 80 people - normal People who were robbed of about 1 million on average. Not government officials...

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Writing a complaint to an angry worker or his wife, to the authorities, or to the city, district, or regional council about a suspicious lack of goods in a store, but their presence in "free trade" - these are very different things.
                        For the idiots, there are loads of such complaints. They've been linked to here a hundred times. But you still don't get it—these are the consequences, among other things, of the siphoning of products to the markets by traders and speculators. Not just 10 kilos of trimmed-up, but the whole thing, the entire store.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Although how can you understand the numbers if you consider 10-15 thousand to be significant savings?

                        Where did I write that this is significant savings???!!! come up with all your stuff out of nowhere...

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        You're so in "your own little world" that you don't understand that people take out microloans out of desperation...

                        Lol, strictly out of desperation...
                        It's been six years since my son graduated from high school. In his three parallel classes of 80 students, there were four flagship Samsung phones, three top-of-the-line Honor phones, and the rest were iPhones of various vintages.
                        Out of desperation, no one had a smartphone for 3,000 - at least 20,000.
                        Although there were children from drinking families, from single-parent families, 3 of them even lived with their grandmothers - their parents were deprived of parental rights.

                        And yes, in case you didn't know, people often take fast money to rip off a company. And then they just don't pay, and that's it. lol - ex-convicts without property or official salaries especially enjoy this form of entertainment...
                        There were a lot of cases in the courts against Orlov for collection.
  4. +3
    17 September 2025 05: 35
    People with bills in their hands, sitting in special rooms behind iron doors and bars, watched his every step. And this was the real control on which the might of Soviet power was built.

    Exactly...
    Now we are returning again to this system of total control over citizens...bankers have received the right to block citizens' accounts on mere suspicion. crying
    And this concept can be expanded upon a call from senior comrades from supervisory authorities.
    Now, anyone can have their money frozen for thought crime. They're planning to introduce digital money in 2026...a very interesting topic...exciting times are coming for our people.
    1. +6
      17 September 2025 08: 02
      Digital money is set to be introduced in 2026...
      They have already been introduced. And even Gref is perplexed: why?
      1. +1
        17 September 2025 15: 57
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Digital money is set to be introduced in 2026...
        They have already been introduced.
        I carry cards and don't even know how much cash I have in my wallet. The only thing I pay for in cash is car repairs, where I get a discount equal to the state sales tax.
        1. +3
          17 September 2025 16: 20
          In Russia, too, everyone uses cards, and half even uses NFC. But here's the problem: regular mobile internet outages force us to remember the existence of cash. As for the digital ruble, it's an obscure (even for bankers) government-initiated add-on. Read the article at the link provided in my previous comment.
  5. +4
    17 September 2025 06: 01
    1954. I remember it very well. Life was hard, every penny counted. And the stores were filled with a wide variety of goods and products. As people caught their breath, many goods and products disappeared from the shelves. At that time, people had little money on hand. True, some had surplus bills. Now there are trillions in the "padushki" alone. And there is not enough money for state turnover. If only we could find a golden mean.
    1. 0
      4 October 2025 16: 45
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      1954. I am his fine remember

      Let me clarify - what is your year of birth?
      1. +1
        4 October 2025 17: 39
        Sergey. I was born in 1946.
  6. +8
    17 September 2025 06: 09
    Thanks to the author for the article.
    It is always very interesting to read the discussion of "two-circuit" and "non-two-circuit" people.
    I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

    It would be a big mistake to consider the entire money circulation system of a certain period without external factors influencing money circulation and the economy as a whole.
    The system that the author demonstrated could be observed in the USSR until the end of its existence, minus 1988–1991: cash deposit, collection, etc. – the parameters listed above were strictly observed.
    Or maybe some decrees after 1953 changed the financial and monetary system? That is, retail outlets stopped handing over money daily, or was it possible to steal money from the cash register for wages? Or did "62" disappear and was replaced?
    It seems that the problem here is that under Stalin, both retail trade and production of group B products in general were minimal. Especially in relation to these indicators in the late USSR, since in 1970, compared to 1950, the economy increased by 2,5 times.
    Plus a change in the distribution of the money supply, when agriculture was far outside the scope of monetary relations under Stalin, and, for example, by 1970 monetary relations covered the entire working population, and pension provision, for example, also became significant.
    And all this must be taken into account.
    1. +8
      17 September 2025 08: 05
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?
      A ride on the subway.
      1. +7
        17 September 2025 08: 59
        Anton,
        good morning!
        Someone gave you a minus for "metro ride"...
        And I also remembered: a glass of milk in the school cafeteria cost 5 kopecks, and also a pie.
        hi
        1. +4
          17 September 2025 09: 17
          Someone gave you a minus for "metro ride"...
          "Miserable, insignificant persons!" (WITH)
          In our school cafeteria, milk was given out for free to elementary school students.
          Good morning Edward!
        2. +6
          17 September 2025 09: 21
          pie.

          A small glass of seeds, and also... tooth powder *Mint*. bully
          1. +3
            17 September 2025 09: 32
            A small glass of seeds,
            By the way, yes!
            Hello, Sergey!
            1. +3
              17 September 2025 09: 46
              Hello, Sergey!

              Hello Anton!
              But a *normal* glass would cost 10 kopecks. bully
              1. +2
                17 September 2025 09: 50
                Sometimes it reached 12-15 if the seeds were large.
                1. +2
                  17 September 2025 12: 37
                  -15

                  Pumpkin ones usually went for 15.
              2. +1
                4 October 2025 13: 58
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                Hello, Sergey!

                Hello Anton!
                But a *normal* glass would cost 10 kopecks. bully

                In the early 1980s we had 10 small, 20 large, 50 pumpkin.
                In Moscow in 1987, the big one was 25-30, the small one was 20
                In Kushka in 1988 a large glass of 50 sunflower seeds
                1. 0
                  4 October 2025 14: 43
                  In Moscow in 1987

                  Well, I listed prices somewhere around the turn of the early to mid-seventies. In those years there was, after all, stability, which was later called the vile word "stagnation". Oh, if only this notorious "stagnation" existed in our unblessed times! bully
          2. +4
            17 September 2025 10: 04
            Greetings Sergey,
            Yes, I also remembered about the jam pie
            1. +5
              17 September 2025 12: 38
              Greetings Sergey,

              Greetings Edward! hi
              Yes, it was MONEY. bully
        3. +2
          17 September 2025 12: 48
          I'll add that the pie was with meat and there was more meat than dough by weight.
          1. 0
            4 October 2025 13: 59
            Quote: james
            I'll add that the pie was with meat and there was more meat than dough by weight.

            With jam.
            Belyashi cost 20 kopecks
        4. +4
          17 September 2025 16: 23
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          And I also remembered: a glass of milk in the school cafeteria cost 5 kopecks, and also a pie.

          A three-course lunch in the school cafeteria cost 3 kopecks, but that's not indicative. It was subsidized. Now I understand why old ladies would come in and shyly ask, "Grandson, please buy me lunch," holding out kopecks in a shaking hand. The saleswoman understood everything, and sometimes she would shoo them away, and sometimes she would turn a blind eye.
          1. +1
            18 September 2025 09: 02
            Good afternoon,
            we had 30 kopecks.
            By the way, right on the topic of the Article, it is not subsidized with such pricing.
            Subsidies are in capitalist economy laughing
            We had a canteen called "Urozhai", the prices there were not much higher, a set lunch was 45 kopecks.
            We were fed there at the yard pioneer camp (for free, without lists, just local boys), and the boys and I went there instead of going home for lunch: Mom always scolded us for the crap food there, and you don’t want to eat good cutlets at home.
            But...freedom of choice...mom was at work laughing
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        1. +4
          17 September 2025 09: 46
          And also a mediator, they made good smoke bombs
          I didn't know. We made smoke bombs out of ping-pong balls.
          1. +3
            17 September 2025 12: 40
            We made smoke bombs out of table tennis balls.

            Sometimes...combs were used! laughing The main thing was to make the right choice, usually on the advice of friends. laughing
          2. +2
            17 September 2025 16: 28
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            We made smoke bombs out of table tennis balls.

            Protractorgood
        2. +3
          17 September 2025 16: 32
          Quote: Alexander_Makedonskov
          And of course newspapers.

          - Is there truth?
          - No.
          - Soviet Russia?
          - Russia was sold.
          - And what is left?
          - Labor for 3 kopecks.

          Conversation at the Soyuzpechat kiosklol
          1. +5
            17 September 2025 16: 37
            "Chervonets" with a defeat under Article 58-10 lol
            1. +4
              17 September 2025 16: 40
              Quote: wehr
              "Chervonets" with a defeat under Article 58-10 lol

              Well, not in the late Brezhnev era.
      3. +2
        17 September 2025 15: 01
        A ride on the subway.

        Five boxes of matches.
        Call twice from a payphone and a box of matches.
        A glass of sparkling water from the machine or birch sap in the bathhouse buffet.
      4. +3
        17 September 2025 16: 23
        Newspapers were 2-3 kopecks. A pencil and an eraser. A 12-page notebook, I think, was up to 5 kopecks. Soda with syrup from a vending machine was 3 kopecks, and without syrup, 1 kopeck.
        That is, to partake of spiritual food, to create an immortal work, or to drink. Any of these great deeds costs 5 kopecks.
        1. +2
          17 September 2025 16: 27
          Hi Vladimir!
          Since I'm one of those "newcomers" I've somehow forgotten, did coin exchange offices even exist?
          1. +4
            17 September 2025 16: 35
            Hi, Anton. What kind of change are these? A pocket with no room for change is your change machine. A phone for 2 kopecks is a big deal. These coins were in short supply. People often asked for them on the street. They were usually given to you free of charge, like a cigarette or a cigarette, when asked.
            People walked around with coin purses.
            1. +2
              17 September 2025 16: 43
              People walked around with coin purses.
              I remember that.
          2. +3
            17 September 2025 16: 57
            They were at the metro entrance. They exchanged silver for copper.
            1. +3
              17 September 2025 17: 07
              Exchanged from silver to copper.

              If specifically, then it is the number of *nickels*. hi
              By the way, I remembered that a *croissant* (there was such a tasty bakery product) cost exactly five kopecks. good
              1. +2
                17 September 2025 17: 26
                Yes, the bagels were wonderful, twisted inside. Yes
                And the change machines were each set up for a different type of coin - a 10-kopeck coin, a five-kopeck coin, etc. hi
          3. 0
            4 October 2025 16: 47
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Hi Vladimir!
            Since I'm one of those "newcomers" I've somehow forgotten, did coin exchange offices even exist?

            There were change machines for 5 kopeck notes and cash registers in the metro, but people were already going there with rubles.
        2. +1
          17 September 2025 16: 31
          Newspapers cost 2-3 kopecks.

          Oh! *Arguments and Facts*, in the early seventies they cost exactly *a nickel*. hi
          1. +1
            18 September 2025 01: 26
            They began to be published in 1978.
            1. +1
              18 September 2025 06: 16
              1978.

              So, at the end of the seventies. laughing
              1. +1
                18 September 2025 10: 34
                I was a kid then. But in the mid-80s, I saw issues of AiF from various years at the school I attended. Apparently, in the late 70s and early 80s, it was a publication for propagandists and agitators, a bit boring at first. Then, even before perestroika, AiF became quite interesting. Did they really go on sale right away?
                1. +2
                  18 September 2025 12: 24
                  Did they go on sale straight away?

                  That's right, from the very beginning it was a *closed* publication and distributed only by subscription to the circle of people you mentioned, but because everything has a price, this newspaper (which had many pages, by the way) cost exactly five kopecks. Its heyday, of course, came during the era of the so-called *perestroika*. Just like *Ogonyok*, which is (quite rightly) reviled here. hi
        3. 0
          26 September 2025 08: 52
          A glass of soda with double syrup from a vending machine cost 2 kopecks plus 2 kopecks. In Ufa, a trolleybus ride cost 5 kopecks, a bus ride cost 6 kopecks, and a tram ride cost 3 kopecks.
      5. +2
        17 September 2025 16: 44
        In Arkhangelsk, a bus ride cost 5 kopecks, in Severodvinsk (in the far north), 6 kopecks. In the 80s, a bus ride from the Arkhangelsk sea and river terminal to the Severodvinsk railway station on the LAZ route 133 (express) took 1 hour and cost 65 kopecks. I've completely forgotten how much a trip from Arkhangelsk to Severodvinsk cost by boat, how much by train, and how much by helicopter from Arkhangelsk's Talagi Airport to the helipad on Severodvinsk's street. South behind the Sever stadium to the Turist store... The cheapest ice cream in a cardboard cup from the Severodvinsk Dairy Plant in the 70s was fruit ice cream, it cost 7 kopecks, milk ice cream (also only in a cardboard cup) 9, then 11 kopecks, cream ice cream (it was made in both a cardboard and a waffle cone) - 13 kopecks, chocolate (only a waffle cone, the same as ice cream) - 15, ice cream - 19 kopecks. In the summer, a small mug of bread kvass from the yellow barrel at the Severodvinsk bakery cost 3 kopecks. A city bun cost 11 kopecks, a brick of black kvass - 18 kopecks. In the 70s, at our school, a baked bun with a swirl and sprinkled with granulated sugar cost 7 kopecks... If you had 10 pyatachoks, in the summer of the early 70s, you could get an hour's swim at the military pool "Dolphin" on Tortseva Street, between the training quarter and the DOF (Fleet Officers' House). Unlike SEVMASH's "Sever" (4 lanes of 25 meters) and DYUSSh #2 (3 lanes of 25 meters), the military had a 50-meter pool, either 6 or 5 lanes, and most importantly, there was a 10-, 5-, and 3-meter diving board. Jumping like a soldier from the 3-meter board was a blast!... Yes, birch sap from the BSSR cost 70 kopecks in Severodvinsk stores in the 80s and 11s, tomato 12, apple 14 kopecks, plum, apricot, grape - I can't even remember.
    2. +2
      17 September 2025 08: 23
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

      Well, if you have a "non-exchangeable nickel", then you could save up for a Zaporozhets, there were cases.
      1. +6
        17 September 2025 09: 02
        It was possible to save up for a Zaporozhets, there were cases.

        Oh, and it takes a long time to save up!
        But if you can't buy a couple, or better yet, three bottles of milk in the cafeteria, you can buy a tank or a rocket launcher for 12 kopecks at Soyuzpechat. laughing
        1. +2
          17 September 2025 09: 30
          Quote: Edward Vashchenko
          It was possible to save up for a Zaporozhets, there were cases.

          Oh, and it takes a long time to save up!
          But if you can't buy a couple, or better yet, three bottles of milk in the cafeteria, you can buy a tank or a rocket launcher for 12 kopecks at Soyuzpechat. laughing

          Nope...Eskimo on a stick in foil is better for 11 kopecks.
    3. +6
      17 September 2025 12: 44
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

      Five boxes of KC. wink
    4. +5
      17 September 2025 16: 17
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

      A box of matches costs 1 kopeck.
      Carbonated water without syrup 1 kopeck.
      Payphone call costs 2 kopecks.
      Carbonated water with syrup 3 kopecks.
      A tram ride costs 3 kopecks.
      A trolleybus ride costs 4 kopecks.
      A bus or metro ride costs 5 kopecks.
      A small bottle of kvass (250g, if I remember correctly) 5 kopecks.
      A shot at a shooting range (air gun) costs 5 kopecks and 2 bullets.
      ----
      Rye bread made from wholemeal flour cost 12 kopecks, but it was cut into halves and quarters, 3 kopecks.
      Round rye bread made from peeled flour 14 kopecks/4 kopecks quarter.
      Rye bread made from peeled flour, 16 kopecks/4 kopecks quarter.
      ...
      Sugar Tube Ice Cream, 15 kopecks (my favorite!!!)
      Ice cream "Creamy ice cream" 20 kopecks.
      Cake 22 kopecks.
      Espresso small double 28 kopecks.
      A liter of AI-93 costs 30 kopecks.
      ...
      Eh, youth, youth ...
      1. +2
        17 September 2025 20: 02
        7 kopecks - fruit ice cream))))
        hi
        1. +2
          18 September 2025 01: 41
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          7 kopecks - fruit ice cream)))

          In the early 70s, you could buy frozen fruit water on a stick in Simferopol for five kopecks. It looked like ice cream, but it wasn't.
          Oh, and we could have had another half kilo of potatoes. Even a little more, since a kilo of potatoes cost nine kopecks.
          The stipend for university students was forty rubles. There was a technical school attached to a defense plant in our town, and the plant hired graduates without any problem. So, the stipend there was ninety rubles.
          The dorm is free.
    5. +2
      17 September 2025 21: 14
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

      Yes, a lot of things ...
      You have already been told about the travel.
      A box of matches or a glass of soda from a vending machine cost 1 kopeck. With syrup, it cost 3.
      Two envelopes without stamps. A piece of bread in the cafeteria...
    6. 0
      18 September 2025 01: 28
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      I’ll also throw in my 5 kopecks, by the way, what could you buy with them in the pre-perestroika USSR?

      Five boxes of matches,
      Take a bus ride
      Take a ride on the metro
      Drink five glasses of water without syrup from a vending machine
      Call the pay phone twice
      Drink a glass of kvass
      Buy a "Health" bun
      Buy about 100 grams of toffee
      Buy two school notebooks
      Etc.
      All prices from the Brezhnev era began to rise under Gorbachev, although some, like bus and metro fares, remained the same.
  7. +5
    17 September 2025 06: 46
    This is especially for those who still believe in the absurd theories of “double-circuit money circulation”

    The company has two accounts: a loan account and a current account. The current account holds the company's own working capital, which it uses at its own discretion to fulfill its production plan and ensure product sales. Borrowed funds received in the form of a bank loan are held in the loan account and can only be used for the purposes specified when the loan was issued. As we recall, cash circulation between companies is prohibited. This is the basis for funds that do not flow beyond the public sector of the economy and do not contribute to inflation.
  8. + 12
    17 September 2025 07: 05
    It struck me that after receiving their salary, the proletariat goes off to drink it away... There is some kind of disdain, even contempt that sounds...
    Again, about the minimum amount of cash, but how did the collective farmers manage to hand over so much money during the war that they could buy personalized planes and tanks with it?
    1. +2
      17 September 2025 08: 26
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      And how did the collective farmers manage to donate so much money during the war that they could buy personalized planes and tanks?

      Propaganda. And it was impossible to buy a tank because the plant produced as many as it could, to fulfill the plan.
      1. +7
        17 September 2025 12: 52
        Quote: Puncher
        Propaganda.

        Nope. It was the peculiarities of the Soviet economy, which allowed for high-income professions. Ferapont Golovaty, for example, was a beekeeper, and he paid the cost of 200 kg of honey for the plane.
        Quote: Puncher
        And it was impossible to buy a tank because the factory produced as many of them as it could, in order to fulfill the plan.

        But the "purchase" is pure propaganda. In reality, it was a contribution to the defense fund, the money from which was used to produce military equipment. And then the donor's name was emblazoned on the side of the planned aircraft or tank, corresponding to the amount contributed.
        The Military Council of the Air Force sincerely thanks F. P. Golovaty for his patriotic initiative. We ask that the money be deposited into the state bank, into the defense fund. Hand a copy of the receipt to the plant's military representative, select one of the flight-tested Yak-1 aircraft, and write on the fuselage what the collective farmer requests
        1. +1
          17 September 2025 14: 38
          He paid 200 kg of honey for the plane.
          Damn, how much did that honey cost?
          Good afternoon, Alexey!
          1. +3
            17 September 2025 14: 58
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Damn, how much did that honey cost?

            From 500 rubles per kilogram. Later, Golovaty's family contributed funds for another aircraft, which was delivered to the Air Force in 1944.

            Ferapont Golovaty is a fascinating character, in fact. He was a Life Guardsman with three St. George's Crosses, a member of the First Cavalry (which, it seems, saved him during the hard times), a collective farm chairman, and a Hero of Socialist Labor.
            1. +3
              17 September 2025 15: 09
              From 500 rubles per kilogram.
              Not bad!
              That is, with the reward for shooting down an airplane, one could try to buy 2 kg of honey.
            2. 0
              21 September 2025 23: 21
              So, Yakovlev's plane cost around 100,000 rubles. I looked at current prices for honey – 1,000 rubles (+/- 200). 200 kilos – 200,000 rubles. That's just enough for 1/100th of a geranium. laughing (
              Wikipedia
              https://ru.wikipedia.org › wiki › Shahed_136
              The cost of a Geranium-2 unit is approximately $200,000. And about the real plane...
    2. +4
      17 September 2025 09: 34
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Again, about the minimum amount of cash, but how did the collective farmers manage to hand over so much money during the war that they could buy personalized planes and tanks with it?

      Golovaty and Konev were successful beekeepers
    3. +5
      17 September 2025 16: 38
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      It struck me that after receiving their wages, the proletariat goes off to drink it away...

      I walked past a liquor store on my way to school. On the fifth and twentieth of each month, there were lines outside, and they let people in on a one-in, one-out basis.
      1. +1
        18 September 2025 07: 06
        Where is the third friend?
        Marked on a glass
        And a secluded corner selected
        And already laid out in the pocket
        Processed cheese dries.

        Well, where are you friend
        Our third friend?
        Processed cheese dries.

        The three did not appear by chance,
        The Trinity was not invented in vain.
        And it is not without reason that in every teahouse
        There is a painting called "Three Bogatyrs".

        But where are you, friend?
        Our third friend?
        There is a painting called "Three Bogatyrs".

        Third, where are you? Well, answer, where are you?
        Maybe from home at midnight
        Have you gone somewhere again?
        In a car with a red stripe.

        Well, where are you friend
        Our third friend?
        In a car with a red stripe.

        Or are you, tired of the easy life,
        A completely different world has departed.
        In the yellow house of the green devils
        You catch me with a government sheet.

        But where are you, friend?
        Our third friend?
        You catch devils with a sheet.
    4. +1
      18 September 2025 16: 14
      It struck me that after receiving their salary, the proletariat goes off to drink it away... There is some kind of disdain, even contempt that sounds...

      I agree. It was impossible to drink away my salary, because...
      For traveling without a ticket (saving 3 kopecks) - a fine of 3 rubles.
      And if such tricks are reported to work, then: quarterly and annual bonuses will be lost. Winter vacation. The apartment waiting list is 100 rooms back. And a trip to the Gadyukino Boloto sanatorium for November.
      1. 0
        27 September 2025 00: 13
        What frivolous tools for crushing the working class. They had no methods for dealing with the proletariat. They ate bitter things, and told the bosses to go to hell, and they'd go. It's a different story today—you're out the gate and have to survive as best you can. A huckster gets an itch or gets up on the wrong side of the bed, and voila.
  9. +5
    17 September 2025 07: 42
    Stalin's system of cash circulation, along with the tax system and various methods of mobilizing funds, such as loan subscriptions, was designed to give the people the bare minimum of money, just enough to cover everyday expenses.

    More heresy and nonsense.
    Never have communists made slaves out of workers and employees. This is not modern Russia.
    There may not have been much money. But the salary was enough for a comfortable life - food, clothes, education, books, rent (etc.). And if a person did not drink, then there was enough money to live on and they put some aside.
    1. +1
      17 September 2025 15: 08
      And if a person didn’t drink, then there was enough money to live on and they would put some aside.

      I was born in 1978. In 4th and 5th grade, I was very surprised that my father was born in 1956. I was a beggar. I never thought I'd encounter this in real life.
      By the way, the USSR fought against parasitism...
      1. +3
        17 September 2025 15: 59
        Yeah, and also with the alcoholization of the population, especially with acceleration, glasTnost, and the new way of thinking... In the late 80s, police officers from the patrol and patrol company of the Severodvinsk Department of Internal Affairs flew alcoholic men from Severodvinsk from Talagi Airport in Arkhangelsk to Makhachkala Airport to a two-year rehabilitation center in the Dagestan ASSR. The rehabilitation center for men in the Arkhangelsk region was full at the time. At that time, women were given a labor camp in the region on the site of one of the prisons (the women's prison was transferred to the Vologda region). And at that time, in September and October, in Severodvinsk, the "tunics" were specifically going to surrender to the police, so that they could receive six months of imprisonment "for border control" through the court and spend the winter in a pretrial detention center, doing warm labor with three meals a day and a shower, in clean overalls and tarpaulin boots.
    2. +3
      18 September 2025 16: 26
      And if a person didn’t drink, then there was enough money to live on and they would put some aside.

      Yeah, we did save up... My grandfather used to put half his salary back into his savings account... Because he was earning 350 rubles, and there was nothing to buy. Back then, the commuter train to Moscow took three and a half hours, and we'd buy so much for 3.5-50 rubles that our arms would fall off. We'd stand in line to buy a black-and-white TV, and then a postcard would arrive telling us when and where to buy one.
      1. 0
        19 September 2025 10: 56
        I wonder what year there was a line for black-and-white TVs? There wasn't such a line by the late 1960s. There was a line for color TVs. We bought a TV in 1968, and there were five models to choose from, both with a 50cm and 61cm CRT. And this was in the provinces.
        1. 0
          19 September 2025 11: 04
          I wonder what year there was a line for black-and-white TVs? There wasn't such a line by the late 60s.

          I was born in 1976. 1984-85. Blue Screen store, Kaposvar square, Kalinin.
          1. +1
            19 September 2025 13: 15
            In 1976, we already had color ones. There was a waiting list for them. We had them sitting in the store, broken, from the moment they arrived. Technicians would come, repair them, and people would buy them with ration cards. We had all kinds of color television sets. Even the first-class Gorizont-107 and 108. The 108 had an IR remote control.
            1. 0
              19 September 2025 21: 42
              In 1976, there were already colored ones. There was a queue for them.

              Once again. We bought a Rekord black and white TV. With a postcard from the post office.
              1984-85. Kalinin. My grandfather registered it in my name (the owner's name is on the warranty card), and I was the proud owner of the TV!
  10. +4
    17 September 2025 07: 47
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    Quote: D. Verkhoturov
    If there is no solvent demand, then there is no entrepreneurship.

    The whole article is anti-Soviet propaganda!!!

    Under Stalin, prices were reduced, which increased the purchasing power of citizens.

    Under Stalin, there were cooperatives and artels that produced "jeans and chewing gum," thereby covering all the population's needs for "little things."

    Article on VO. "Stalin's Entrepreneurs":
    https://topwar.ru/82220-predprinimateli-stalina.html?ysclid=mfnhk7i9jh916356705

    Article on VO. "Why Khrushchev Destroyed Stalin's Artels":
    https://topwar.ru/169394-pochemu-hruschev-unichtozhil-stalinskie-arteli.html?ysclid=mfnhh0q8ow327048421
    1. +8
      17 September 2025 08: 18
      Yes, Khrushchev closed the artels later and drove them to communism with an iron fist. Under Stalin, it was the artels that produced radios and even televisions. The state was busy rebuilding the economy after the war. It had no time for trifles and the artels were very useful. I had a radio that I inherited after buying a house. It was handmade, but very high quality. Even the range glass was hand-painted and very beautiful. The case is made of plywood. The production date is 1953. On the back there is a sticker about some artel at the West Siberian Economic Council. The receiver worked, although it was already the mid-eighties. Only the lamps should have been changed, they got excited and clanged, but there was no Internet and I did not understand what kind of lamps were in tin cases with strange markings. I threw it away when I moved, which I regret.
      1. +1
        18 September 2025 01: 32
        In 1953, there were no economic councils yet; they appeared in 1957.
      2. +1
        18 September 2025 01: 47
        A significant portion of radios and televisions were produced at state-owned enterprises, a share that steadily increased from the late 40s. Furthermore, many such cooperatives were transformed into state-owned enterprises under Stalin. For example, the large "Radist" and "Progress-Radio" cooperatives became state-owned enterprises shortly before the war.
    2. -2
      17 September 2025 12: 11
      Well then, Comrade Livshits taught Soviet accountants and economists about anti-Soviet propaganda. laughing
    3. 0
      18 September 2025 01: 37
      No one destroyed collective farm markets or collective farm workers' plots. My paternal grandparents had a garden plot of the same size in the 50s, 60s, and 80s. Plots were reduced when collective farms were converted into state farms, a common practice under Khrushchev. While a collective farmer in Central Russia could have a plot of up to 50 acres, a state farm worker could have up to 20-25 acres. On the other hand, wages and pensions for workers and employees of state farms were higher than those of collective farmers.
      1. +1
        27 September 2025 00: 26
        State farms are undoubtedly the achievement of the corn grower. Or rather, of whoever inspired him to do so. Salary and workday are two very different things. At our state farm, 80% of the people are from southern Russia. People rushed away from the workday as soon as the opportunity arose. Legally, with a passport.
  11. +4
    17 September 2025 08: 11
    Stalin's system of cash circulation, together with the tax system and various methods of mobilizing funds, such as loan subscriptions, was designed to give the people the bare minimum of money, only to pay for household expenses.

    So, the plant's accounting department received cash from the State Bank for salaries, distributed it to the proletariat, and the proletariat went to drink away their earnings...

    Wow! According to the author's description, Soviet people, the builders of communism, existed at the level of cattle - they worked for pennies. And everything they earned they drank away right away!

    My father, born in 1939, briefly experienced those Stalinist times. According to him, we lived not richly, but happily. Every year it got better and better. And there were great prospects ahead. We drank, but we knew our limits. The Soviet Union was developing by leaps and bounds. And it was not alcoholic slaves (according to the author) who did this, but purposeful, happy Soviet people.
  12. -3
    17 September 2025 08: 21
    Yeah, it's not for nothing that people came up with the ditty "If you want to reap, if you want to forge, you'll get it anyway" - well, everyone knows the rest of the story. Site policy be damned.
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  14. -1
    17 September 2025 10: 34
    Stalin's system of cash circulation, together with the tax system and various methods of mobilizing funds, such as loan subscriptions, was designed toGive the people the bare minimum of money
    ,

    The Russian people get the minimum, and the Georgians and others get the minimum to the maximumSee the table - in Tajikistan, a peasant received 100 times more than in Russia.

    Therefore, Russians fled to the cities, villages died out, and Asia multiplied under the caring wing of the party.
    1. 0
      17 September 2025 12: 14
      Can I get a link to the document? So I can see it in its original form, so to speak.
      1. +4
        17 September 2025 12: 59
        Good afternoon! Allow me to speak since Andrey is silent.
        https://istmat.org/files/uploads/37161/rgae_1562.33.804_-62-73.pdf?ysclid=mfnt74m54f963547123
        1. 0
          17 September 2025 16: 41
          Yes, an interesting review.

          I can't help but quote
          "The largest amounts of cash income per collective farm household are received by collective farms in Central Asia and Transcaucasia, cultivating valuable industrial crops - cotton, tea, grapes, citrus fruits and other crops."


          Yes, and the question is, why did the collective farms of the Kaluga region distribute only 4% of their cash income as labor days?
          1. +3
            17 September 2025 18: 40
            Quote: wehr
            Why did the collective farms of the Kaluga region distribute only 4% of their cash income as labor days?

            On Russian collective farms, even those focused on vegetables or meat, they produced a considerable variety, and farmers were often paid in kind—meat, vegetables, and feed for private livestock. But in the republics, especially in Central Asia, where there was a monoculture, cotton couldn't be distributed in kind in exchange for labor. And grapes and citrus fruits weren't exactly a success either; not all Georgian collective farmers had the opportunity to export grapes and tangerines to the markets of Moscow and Leningrad.
            1. +2
              17 September 2025 21: 04
              Yes, this is understandable.
              But the man actually presented it. It turns out!!
              So let him try living in glorious Soviet Turkmenistan, when almost all the water is for cotton, there is almost nothing of his own, everything is imported and purchased, and let him try to earn this money in the killer sun during the cotton harvest.
              The former first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Turkmenistan, then Turkmenbashi-Niyazov, began independence by cutting back on cotton and ordering the sowing of wheat.
              1. 0
                18 September 2025 10: 38
                Quote: wehr
                and let him try to live in glorious Soviet Turkmenistan

                Quote: wehr
                earn this money in the deadly sun while picking cotton.

                That is, in your opinion, a Tajik, Turkmen, or Georgian worked a HUNDRED times better than a lazy Russian peasant.

                Bravo!

                P.S. Try growing rye, etc., in the Kaluga region, so that at least the family doesn’t go hungry.
                т
                1. 0
                  18 September 2025 10: 49
                  Yes, a hundred times better. Calm down.

                  There is no point in talking to a person with such blinders on his eyes as you have.
                  1. -1
                    18 September 2025 11: 07
                    Quote: wehr
                    There is no point in talking

                    You just...CAN'T... Yes
                    1. +2
                      18 September 2025 11: 08
                      I can. But I don't want to. Since life is limited, the time I have left should be spent on something socially useful.
                      1. -1
                        18 September 2025 11: 13
                        Quote: wehr
                        I can. But I don't want to.

                        We wanted to, but we couldn’t – see above.
                      2. 0
                        18 September 2025 11: 15
                        Okay, then here's a question for you:
                        Why did the collective farms of the Kaluga region distribute only 4% of their cash income as labor days?
                      3. -1
                        18 September 2025 12: 17
                        Quote: wehr
                        Why did the collective farms of the Kaluga region distribute only 4% of their cash income as labor days?

                        Look at the Report - other collective farms in the Non-Black Earth Region are not much better.
                        For there were poor, like church miceThere's no money for anything. And there's no grain for the labor—we measured it in grams, centimeters, right there...

                        Here are your Russian peasants 1961 g, Gagarin is already in space, and they are all in... bast shoes...
                      4. +1
                        18 September 2025 13: 45
                        Why?
                        If collective farms in the Kaluga region issued 7 kopecks per workday, and this is 4% of cash income, then the gross income was 1 ruble 75 kopecks per workday.
                        286 workdays on average: that comes out to 500,5 rubles of output and 20 rubles 2 kopecks of salary.
                        Where did the 480 rubles 48 kopecks of income earned by each collective farmer on average go?!!!!
                        Did the Turkmens and Tajiks come and take it away?!! laughing
                      5. -1
                        19 September 2025 13: 51
                        Quote: wehr
                        Where did the 480 rubles 48 kopecks of income earned by each collective farmer on average go?!!!

                        The money was only used for...salaries?! MTS, loans, credits, etc. - the collective farms were in unbearable debt.
                      6. 0
                        19 September 2025 14: 31
                        And were the Tajiks and Turkmens to blame for this too?
                      7. -1
                        20 September 2025 12: 57
                        Quote: wehr
                        And were the Tajiks and Turkmens to blame for this too?

                        Those who set predatory, arbitrary, low prices for the purchased products of Russian peasants—the peasants paid TRIBUTE (Stalin).

                        These same Russophobes turned out to be wild speculators and usurers - they sold purchased products at TEN times the purchase price and provided deliberately unaffordable loans and credits.
                      8. +1
                        20 September 2025 21: 05
                        Well, let's shake out the ledger and see what the cost price was, what the purchase prices were, whether they generated a profit, what the selling prices were?

                        SHOUTING is not an argument.
                      9. 0
                        21 September 2025 09: 14
                        Quote: wehr
                        Well, let's shake out the ledger and see what the cost price was, what the purchase prices were, whether they generated a profit, what the selling prices were?

                        Yes.
                        Quote: wehr
                        Yelling is not an argument

                        This is a NUMBER.
            2. 0
              18 September 2025 10: 41
              Quote: Nagan
              Often payments were made in kind - meat, vegetables, feed for private livestock

              Without further ado, how much... meat? lol , milk lol , feed lol What did a Kaluga peasant receive in the 1930s?
        2. +1
          18 September 2025 19: 25
          https://istmat.org/files/uploads/37161/rgae_1562.33.804_-62-73.pdf?ysclid=mfnt74m54f963547123

          Oh, my! From the Palace of Pioneers in Odessa. Did whoever stole this even know the proper paperwork?
          What are those numbers and letters in the header?
    2. 0
      18 September 2025 01: 50
      However, I've heard from many people about the poverty of most Tajiks in the 50s and 60s. Tajikistan was considered the poorest republic in Central Asia.
    3. -1
      18 September 2025 08: 03
      Number and wages of workers and employees in the USSR. 1936
      A scan of one of the 300 pages is provided
      https://www.hist.msu.ru/Labour/Soviet/USSRWorkers.pdf

      Prices of goods in 1935
      Rye flour (kg): 2 rubles.
      Rye bread (pcs.): 1 ruble 5 kopecks.
      Wheat bread (pcs.): 1 ruble 20 kopecks.
      French bun (piece): 4-6 rub.
      Pasta (kg): 5 rubles 40 kopecks.
      Meat (kg): 7-8 rubles.
      Clarified butter (kg): 17 rubles.
      Sunflower oil (liter): 13 rubles 50 kopecks.
      Salt (kg): 15 kopecks.
      Georgian tea (kg): 40-75 rubles.

      Prices of goods in 1937 (for 1936, only taxi fares)
      Eggs (dozen): 5 rubles.
      Rye flour (kg): 1 rub. 60 kopecks
      French bun (piece): 4-6 rub.
      Pasta (kg): 5 rubles.
      Meat (kg): 7-11 rubles.
      Cooked sausage (kg): 10 rubles.
      Smoked sausage (kg): 14 rubles.
      Sausages (kg): 9-10 rubles.
      Pike perch (kg): 4 rubles 40 kopecks.
      Butter (kg): 17 rubles 50 kopecks.
      Sunflower oil (liter): 13 rubles 50 kopecks.
      Margarine (kg): 10 rub. 50 kopecks
      Milk (liter): 1 ruble 70 kopecks.
      Cheese "Soviet" (kg): 24 rub. 80 kop.
      Refined sugar (kg): 4 rub. 10 kopecks
      Cookies (kg): 8-10 rubles.
      Georgian tea (kg): 40-80 rubles.
      Salt (kg): 12 kopecks.
      Wheat flour (kg): 2 rubles - 4 rubles 60 kopecks.
      Crushed millet (kg): 2 rub. 10 kopecks
      Buckwheat groats (kg): 4 rubles 30 kopecks.
      Rye bread (kg): 85 kopecks.
      Wheat bread (kg): 1 rub. - 2 rub.

      The data is secondary in contrast to the first source https://www.russian-money.ru/prices/
  15. +3
    17 September 2025 11: 31
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    They have already been introduced
    Not yet. The event has been postponed.
    1. +3
      17 September 2025 11: 45
      "Technically, the digital ruble began its triumphant march across the country on September 1st. From that point on, all major banks were required to offer their clients the ability to open digital accounts, and all retailers with annual revenue exceeding 120 million rubles were required to allow citizens to purchase goods with digital rubles. Nationwide, this amounts to 12 companies." (C)
      https://www.fontanka.ru/2025/09/16/76030182/
      1. 0
        21 September 2025 12: 12
        What exchange is this digital ruble listed on? I'd imagine it would be a stablecoin, similar to USDT. But that's apparently not the case. How is it different from the non-cash ruble, then?
        1. +1
          21 September 2025 12: 19
          How does it differ then from the non-cash ruble?
          This is a secret that is inaccessible even to Gref.
  16. +3
    17 September 2025 13: 11
    A characteristic feature of the articles by this author, a history teacher by training, is their complete and utter dilettantism. He understands absolutely nothing about any of the topics he touches on, yet he desperately craves fame. And he believes that fame can be achieved by generating all sorts of alternative nonsense. With regard to the topic of today's article, this can easily be verified by reading, for example, V. Batyrev, "Organization and Planning of Monetary Circulation in the USSR," Moscow, 1952, or G. V. Kaganov, "Organization and Planning of Monetary Circulation in the USSR," Moscow, 1971.
    1. +4
      17 September 2025 17: 21
      Nikname2025, I agree with you 202%. The author apparently has never read anything about consumer cooperatives under Stalin, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev. He has no idea that the proletariat didn't drink everything away, that the peasants themselves sewed Solombalka boats with top-noga motors in Arkhangelsk and the surrounding area, installed potbelly stoves in the cabin, bought guns, supplies, and thread, wove fishing nets, made traps, and kept dogs (both hounds and Laikas). Such proletarians spent all their weekends and most of their vacations hunting and fishing... Old Believers in Arkhangelsk from the 50s to 80s didn't join collective farms, didn't officially work anywhere, and received land from the collective farm as rural teachers, club, library, or first-aid post workers, or community consumer cooperative workers, and that's where they lived. True, unlike teachers or cultural workers, they didn't take their surplus potatoes, cabbage, and carrots to the community consumer cooperatives, taking them only to their fellow believers... There were also professional fishermen, hunters, and resin harvesters. People sold not only vegetables to the collective farm markets and community consumer cooperatives, but also mushrooms, berries, and herbs from the forest, fresh, dried, and cured fish, and even herbs, dried berries, and chaga to pharmacies. Back in the 50s, under the system, "to give the people the bare minimum, just enough to cover their living expenses." My uncles bought themselves motorcycles and radios, and one of my uncles even bought a boat, a "Solombalka", from a good mechanic.
  17. +2
    17 September 2025 13: 54
    Quote: Nagan
    And Ostap Bender claimed: “If there are banknotes in the country, then there should be people who have a lot of them.”

    Yeah, Bender is the boss... You can't mess with him... ;)
  18. +3
    17 September 2025 14: 12
    "So, the factory's accounting department received cash from the State Bank for salaries, distributed it to the proletariat, and the proletariat went off to drink away their earnings..."
    Lovely... It's one of two things:
    1. The author, I suppose, is a descendant of hereditary aristocrats? And here we have a classic example of "his class contempt for the proletarian rabble, so to speak," who live only by stealing and drinking. And the line "comes from hereditary Siberians" in his biography is just a fancy way of putting it.
    2. A clearly biased and sweeping attitude toward the facts. Which, for a historian, as Verkhoturov positions himself, is professional suicide.
    Fu be like that, dear Dmitry Verkhoturov.
  19. Des
    -1
    17 September 2025 20: 21
    Cash in circulation under Stalin
    Let's improve attentiveness and literacy! Once again on VO. In the author's article.
    They paid little: First, as a means of forcing labor. Second, to prevent the accumulation of capital, even the most insignificant. Third, to keep the amount of cash remaining in circulation in the hands of the population as small as possible, so as to prevent the emergence of conditions for private enterprise. Without effective demand, there is no entrepreneurship.

    Bravo to the author.
  20. 0
    17 September 2025 20: 38
    Thanks for the interesting post!
    Many will disagree with you. Perhaps because you don't provide any comparisons.
    In the 30s it was like this, in the 60s it was like this, in the 70s it was like this, then in 1992 it was like this, and in 2017 it was like this.
    Personal opinion...
    From 1982 to the present day, I've had to eat very little, and I've managed to become "Yulian Feoktistovich," and again, "Hey, you, what's your name," and "Hello." And it's been pretty much the same for many of my schoolmates.
    I want to read not only about how our country's financial system worked in the past, but also about how to avoid collapses.
    1. +1
      17 September 2025 21: 14
      If you were to make comparisons, it would become a monograph. And even then, many people wouldn't like it.
      Here, it was precisely the Stalinist system that forced people into rigid confines. So much so that even talkative old men were reluctant to recall it.
      And then some people started to talk about how factories and plants practically sprouted up on their own... No, factories and plants were bought by the backbreaking labor of an entire generation. And we must remember and respect that.

      There are no universal recipes. Everything depends on what you want and whether the methods you use allow you to achieve it.
  21. 0
    17 September 2025 21: 57
    Looking at the equally hysterical reaction of the "left" and "right," I can't help but recall the old joke about the godfather and the negative...
  22. +1
    17 September 2025 22: 20
    I completely understand if someone makes a spelling error or typo in a comment. I can also, though with much less enthusiasm, accept a typo in the text of an article, as articles are still proofread before they're published.
    But to put it like this, in the title itself, is clearly a mistake.
    1. 0
      17 September 2025 23: 44
      I wanted to write "in quitrent under Stalin", but, sorry, I pressed the wrong key... laughing
      1. 0
        17 September 2025 23: 49
        Hmm, even so?
        Quote: wehr
        I wanted to write "in quitrent under Stalin"
        I thought that in the incomprehensible word “obrot” there was simply another letter “o” missing and the title should have looked like this: “Cash in obrot”оcompany under Stalin."
        It turns out you wanted to write "in quitrent"? recourse
        1. -1
          17 September 2025 23: 53
          It's impossible to live without bread and banter. laughing

          Lenin bequeathed before his death:
          "Transfer the peasants from natural to monetary quitrent!"

          Yes, I know that under Soviet rule I would have gone to jail for telling jokes.
  23. +1
    18 September 2025 04: 42
    The article is certainly informative, but too detached from reality. The Russian state has always been a place of theft, including under Comrade Stalin, meaning that unaccounted money was accumulating, and these accumulations were primarily concentrated among people of a well-known nationality, because they themselves created the banking control system in the USSR.
    1. 0
      27 September 2025 00: 45
      People of this nationality, like any other, were put in the basement with their noses up to the wall when they were caught stealing—and they were quite active in catching it—for a salary and a few small perks. Comrade Stalin was an ascetic; he really didn't like it when people enriched themselves unfairly. Just chop three quotas of coal, and there you go. Get everything in full, and honor to boot.
  24. +3
    18 September 2025 08: 13
    Everything is simple.
    Cash is removed from cash registers for only one reason.
    So as not to attract the attention of dishonest people.
    So that the cash registers are not robbed and stolen.
    This is the basis of cash collection.
    They made up a whole story out of thin air...
  25. +2
    18 September 2025 11: 03
    Quote: Tarasios
    2. A clearly biased and sweeping attitude toward the facts. Which, for a historian, as Verkhoturov positions himself, is professional suicide.
    This isn't professional suicide, but the working principle of professional historians. They manage to write enormous "scholarly" works not only based on a biased approach to the facts, but without even having a single fact. And for such historians, there is, so to speak, a "scientific justification," provided by the renowned English historian Edward Gibbon.
    The Duke of Gloucester spoke to Edward Gibbon on the occasion of the publication of his book, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:
     “Another damn fat book, eh, Mr. Gibbon? We keep peeing, peeing, peeing, huh, Mr. Gibbon?”
  26. +3
    18 September 2025 11: 19
    Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev
    Under Stalin, it was the artels that produced radios and even televisions.
    And during the war!!! During the war, artels, especially those that had produced metal utensils before the war, surprisingly quickly reoriented themselves to defense production. For example, the "Mednik" artel in the Ural workers' settlement of Suksun produced samovars. And during the war, they established production of RG-41 hand grenades—in the fourth quarter of 1941, the artel produced 50 of them. At the same "Mednik," they made entrenching shovels—a versatile tool used for digging trenches and capable of decapitating in hand-to-hand combat... The "Tsvetmetshtamp" artel from the city of Borovichi, which had previously specialized in blowtorches, began churning out 1941 artillery shell bodies for 45mm mortars, 120 hand grenades, and 30 cartridges for 12mm howitzers monthly in June 122.
    The industrial cooperative also mastered something more complex. For example, the Leningrad artel "Primus," which produced items of the same name, was so successful before the war that it acquired a considerable machine tool inventory. And when it was merged with the "Shtampmet" artel in 1942, the combined enterprise quickly established production of the Sudayev submachine gun.
    But in addition to weapons and ammunition, the artels continued to produce consumer goods, which the army also needed. Skis and ski poles, sheepskin coats, quilted jackets, portable stoves, knitted sweaters, tunics, cavalry saddles and girths, bandages, gauze and plaster casts, boots, hats and mittens... In short, as they used to say, "everything from a poker to a balalaika." Literally—musical instruments. And not because state-owned enterprises couldn't handle them, but because they were busy with something else entirely. There was also something the state sector definitely couldn't handle—that same "bast-and-rod product." Because dedicating factory capacity to basket production is sheer nonsense.
    In April 1944, basket-making teams received a huge order for the production of snowshoes. The team did not disappoint. As a result, Operation Bagration launched a strike against the enemy from a completely unexpected location—the "impassable" Pripyat Marshes. Thanks to the snowshoes, without which these marshes would have been impossible to cross.
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      18 September 2025 12: 36
      Many types of products were produced simultaneously by both state-owned enterprises and artels, and cooperation existed between them. Artels, after all, were not private enterprises, but rather cooperatives, and they were subject to planning, just like collective farms. They reported to local party and Soviet authorities. Artels also had party and Komsomol organizations, and so on. There were also various types of individual artisans, shoemakers, shoe shiners working under licenses, doctors who ran private practices in their spare time, and even a small number of individual farmers still remained. Such activities had nothing to do with artels. In our country, these individual farmers are often artificially lumped together with artel members.
  27. +3
    19 September 2025 08: 13
    If there is no solvent demand, then there is no entrepreneurship.


    If there is no effective demand, then there will be no supply of consumer goods.
    So, in Stalin's USSR, everything was rationed? There were no stores, no markets, no consumer cooperatives?
    Such statements are pure nonsense. Yes, the money supply was monitored because they were trying to avoid the unfortunate phenomenon (not just for the USSR) of "inflation," which arises from an imbalance between the supply of goods and money.

    Well, I can also advance theories at a similar level, no special skill is required.

    For example:

    "The capitalist system of cash circulation is designed to give workers the bare minimum. First, to force them to work (otherwise, the proletarians won't want to work for the bourgeoisie). Second, to prevent them from accumulating enough capital (they don't need new competitors). Third... well, see above. If there are too many businessmen, there will be too few consumers/clients."

    "And dentists have no way out, too many are asking for help, and where will they find teeth for them all? That means unemployment..." (V. Vysotsky).

    In short, it's a total bust, the level of play is low. Apparently, the grants have become less generous or have dried up altogether for these "exposers." lol
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    21 September 2025 12: 04
    "To prevent the possibility of accumulating capital, even the most insignificant one" – what about savings bank deposits? At worst, a mattress or a jar (a glass one). With minimal inflation, it's a perfectly reasonable option.
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