How to break the nose of a Soviet tank

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How to break the nose of a Soviet tank


Welding quality is satisfactory


There are different ways to evaluate the quality of tank builders' work. If we touch on the level of armored hull production, we can fire on the finished product. For example, in 1959, Omsk Plant No. 174 took танк T-54B and fired at it with 85-mm high-explosive fragmentation grenades and 100-mm armor-piercing shells. The tank had a hard time. The report, in particular, points out the blow-off of the driver's hatch cover after an 85-mm shell hit the turret's front. The strength of the observation device unit and azimuth indicator was insufficient - they were blown off by an armor-piercing shell that hit the hull's front. They also noted the unsatisfactory armor protection of the exhaust, which was blown off after a 100-mm shell hit the side.



By the way, the test firing was not just organized, but after design changes - they introduced a tenon-free connection of the frontal parts of the hull using automatic welding, changed the protection of the exhaust pipe by welding it to the side, and introduced the welding of the flange of the "Luna" sight. Not that these were fundamental design changes, but they required transporting the tank to the Kubinka proving ground for a thorough firing. In the end, it turned out that the innovations almost justified themselves (the commission allowed changes to the series), but new vulnerabilities were revealed. In conclusion, they summed up the results:

"All measures developed by Plant No. 183 (Kharkov) and No. 174 (Omsk) to eliminate the identified deficiencies must be implemented for testing by firing on the hull and turret of the T-55 tank, which will be shipped from Plant No. 174 to the NIIBT GABTU testing ground for the next control tests by firing in the third quarter of 1959."

It remains only to express the hope that in modern times all innovations in tank design are tested in a similar manner.

But the military testers were not limited to firing at serial tanks. The strength and quality of welds were also assessed using a simple test – breaking the tank's nose assembly under pressure. The details of this matter can be revealed in the repositories of the Russian State Archive of Economics. The background to the event states that at the end of 1957, tank factories introduced tenon-free joints for frontal plates. This was faster and more technologically advanced, but potentially less durable. A year later, in mid-November, a frontal assembly identical to that of the T-54 was specially welded for testing. Further, according to the declassified report (spelling and punctuation were subject to minimal editing):

«The purpose of the test: to check the quality of welded seams in the fracture, made by automatic welding, by breaking the welded joints of the unit under pressure. To practice the modes of automatic welding of the nose sheets, a standard sample 500 mm long was welded. The welding of the sample was performed on an ABS machine with 6-5 mm welding wire of the EI-613 brand under flux of the AN-22 brand.


The welding modes are as follows:
Current strength…………………...450-500 A
Voltage ………………...34-36 V
Welding speed…………….21,5 m/hour
Wire feed speed 95 m/h.


The first layer of the internal and external seams was welded using a 5 mm filler wire of the EI-613 brand. The subsequent layers were welded without the filler wire. Both seams — internal and external — were welded in 7 passes.

The sample was broken under a press. The fracture occurred along the deposited metal of the internal and external welds. In the fracture of the internal weld, a lack of fusion was found at the top of the weld over a length of 40 mm and a lack of fusion of layers over a length of 35 mm. In the fracture of the external weld, a lack of fusion was found at the top of the weld over a length of 50 mm and a lack of fusion of layers between the third and fourth over a length of 145 mm.

The fractures revealed that the current was insufficient, so the current was increased for welding the next sample.
The second sample was welded in the following modes:

Current strength………………….. ……500-550 A
Voltage………………. ……34- 38 V
Welding speed…...............21,5 m/hour
Wire feed speed……95 m/hour.


Two drill holes were made on the second sample. No defects in the welds were found in the drill holes. A section was cut out from the middle part of the sample for macro- and micro-examination.


The remaining sections of the welded joint were broken under pressure. No defects were found in the fractures of the internal and external seams.

According to drilling, micro-examination and fractures, the quality of welded seams is satisfactory.

To clarify the welding modes, a third sample was welded using the same modes as the second sample.

The third sample was broken under the press. In the fractures of the third sample in the internal seam, a lack of fusion was found between the 3rd and 4th layers at the end of the seam 20 mm long, which was caused by the displacement of the electrode when the train was ignited. No defects were found in the external seam.

In the fractures of all three samples, the weld metal is dense, fibrous, gray-matte in color, without defects, with the exception of the defective areas described above.

Based on the satisfactory results obtained on the last two samples, the NOS unit was welded under the same conditions for failure testing.

The tested tenonless NOS unit was welded on November 5, 1958 by auto welder Comrade E.A. Imatov using automatic welding under a layer of AN-22 flux with 5 mm diameter EI-613 welding wire.


The welding modes are as follows:
Current strength…………………500.550 A
Over the course of…................34.38 B
Welding speed...…………..21,5 m/hour
Wire feed speed..95 m/hour.


The first layer of the internal and external seam was welded using a 5 mm diameter EI-613 filler wire.
The welding procedure was adopted as follows:

First, 4 layers of the internal seam were welded, then the external seam was completely welded in 7 layers, after which the remaining 3 layers of the internal seam were welded.

Before the failure, the welded seams connecting the nose sheets were illuminated with gamma rays.

When X-raying, a crack was assumed to be a defect in the outer weld. When the "NOS" unit broke, a chip in the base metal was detected in the place of the assumed defect when X-raying. To facilitate the breakage and obtain fractures along the welds, the unit was interrupted by gas cutting into three different sections, which were then broken under a press.



The nature of the fractures and the quality of the welds in the fracture are as follows:

Section #1:
The destruction occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal of the external and internal welds. The tops of the grooves of the internal and external welds were welded along the entire length. Two gas pores measuring 2x5 mm were found in the fracture of the internal weld. In the fracture of the external weld, a lack of fusion between the 2nd and 3rd layers was found over a length of 15 mm and a height of 2 mm.

Section #2:
The destruction occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal of the external and internal welds. The tops of the grooves of the internal and external welds were welded along the entire length of the welds. In the fracture of the external weld, a lack of fusion was found between the third and fourth layers over a length of 25 mm and a height of 2 mm. No defects were found in the fracture of the internal weld.

Plot No. 3
The destruction occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal. The tops of the inner and outer welds were welded along the entire length.

A slag inclusion measuring 15 x 6 mm was found in the fracture of the internal weld. In the fracture of the external weld, at the top of the weld, a chip was found along the base metal over a length of 210 mm, up to 6 mm high, and a lack of fusion between the layers at the end of the weld over a length of 15 mm, 2 mm high.

In all weld fractures, with the exception of defective areas, the pressed metal is fibrous, gray-matte in color, without columnarity.

CONCLUSIONS:

I. The defective sections of the welds found in the fractures are small in size and are scattered. The total length of the defective areas is 70 mm, which is equal to the length of the welds of 3648 mm.

It is: 70: 3648 = 0,0189 = 1,89% The total area of ​​defective sections is 290 sq. mm, which is equal to the total area of ​​weld seam fractures – 115440 sq. mm.
is: 220 : 115440 = 0,0019 = 0,19%.
2. The quality of the deposited metal in the fractures of welded seams is good.
3. The quality of the internal and external seams at the fracture is satisfactory.

CONCLUSION:

The quality of welds made by automatic welding under a flux layer is satisfactory. The welded unit NOS passed the test.

Based on the satisfactory results of the test of the NOS unit with breakage under the press, a second tenon-free NOS unit was welded in addition to the 1958 program according to the letter of the Head of the State Committee Directorate, Comrade Kucherenko N.A., dated 12/01941 from 2/UP-1958, which was installed on the hull of the T-54 tank going for testing at the NIIBT testing ground of the GBTU."


T-55 nose under pressure


In September 1959, it was time to break the front part of the more advanced T-55 tank, whose front parts were welded without spikes. According to the text of the report:

«Purpose of the test: To test the quality of welded seams in a fracture, made by automatic welding, by breaking the welded joints of the unit under pressure.

The tested unit was welded on August 24, 1959 by the auto welder Comrade I.S. Oreshin using automatic welding under a layer of flux grade AN-22 with welding wire F-5 grade EI-613.

The welding modes are as follows:
Current strength…………........ 500-550 A
Voltage…................................. 32-36 volts
Welding speed………………..16 m/hour
Wire feed speed…...95 m/hour.

The first layer of the internal and external seams was welded using a 5 mm diameter filler wire of the EI-613 brand.

The welding order was as follows: first, 3 layers of the internal seam were welded, then the external seam was welded completely in 5 layers, after which the remaining 2 layers of the internal seam were welded.

Before the failure, the welded seams connecting the nose sheets were illuminated with gamma rays.

When X-raying the internal weld, a defect in the form of lack of fusion was assumed. When the "Nose" unit broke, lack of fusion was detected at the place of the assumed defect when X-raying.

To facilitate breakage and obtain fractures along the welded seams, the unit was cut using gas cutting into three equal sections, which were then broken under a press.



The nature of the fractures and the quality of the welds in the fracture are as follows:

Section No. 1 - The destruction occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal of the external and internal welds. The tops of the grooves of the internal and external welds are welded along the entire length. Three gas pores were found in the fracture of the internal weld, 5 pieces measuring 10x2 mm and one piece measuring 5x7 mm. There are no defects in the fracture of the external weld.

Section No. 2 The failure occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal of the external and internal welds. The tops of the grooves of the internal and external welds were welded along the entire length. Slag inclusions were found in the fracture of the internal weld in two places, measuring 10x15 mm and 10x12 mm. No defects were found in the fracture of the external weld.

Section No. 130. The destruction occurred approximately in the middle of the deposited metal of the external and internal welds. In the fracture of the internal weld, a lack of fusion was found at the top of the weld over a length of 10 mm, 20 mm high. In the fracture of the external weld, a hot crack measuring 10xXNUMX was found on the tack weld performed by manual arc welding with austenitic electrodes.

In all weld fractures, with the exception of defective areas, the deposited metal is fibrous, gray-matte in color, without columnarity.



CONCLUSIONS:

1. The defective sections of the welds found in the fractures are small in size and are scattered. The total length of the defective areas is 172 mm, which to the length of the welds = 3648 mm. This is: 172 : 3648 = 0,04717 = 4,72 percent.
The total area of ​​defective areas = 1905 sq. mm, which equals the total area of ​​weld seam fractures = 115440 sq. mm.
is: 1905 : 115440 = 0.0165 = 1,65 percent.

2. The quality of the deposited metal in the fractures of welded seams is satisfactory.

3. The quality of the internal and external seams at the fracture is satisfactory.

Conclusion.

The quality of welds made by automatic welding under a flux layer is satisfactory. The welded unit passed the test. For continuous quality control, make 2 drills on each unit
».

The document was signed by the plant’s chief technologist, the head of the armored hull workshop, and the senior military representative for armored hull production.
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  1. BAI
    +2
    8 September 2025 06: 14
    It remains only to express the hope that in modern times all innovations in tank design are tested in a similar manner.


    It doesn't look like it. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so much equipment on the turret that gets swept away by the first high-explosive fragmentation shell.
    It seems that the designers are confident that the tank will only be hit with a blank.
    1. +5
      8 September 2025 07: 10
      Quote: BAI
      Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so much equipment on the tower that would be swept away by the first high-explosive fragmentation shell.

      Well, the attachments are fine, that's their fate, but a serious failure of the fire control system (which is protected like the crew, by all the armor) from a 25 mm machine gun is beyond the pale...
      1. +7
        8 September 2025 07: 19
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: BAI
        Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so much equipment on the tower that would be swept away by the first high-explosive fragmentation shell.

        Well, the attachments are fine, that's their fate, but a serious failure of the fire control system (which is protected like the crew, by all the armor) from a 25 mm machine gun is beyond the pale...

        I also saw this video, the tank should have won considering its armament and armor... but it turned out the way it did. The tank crew survived though.
      2. +1
        8 September 2025 09: 02
        About the T-90 vs. Bradley battle? Well, that's only part of the battle. Earlier, the T-90 came under artillery fire, and then the fire control system could have been damaged. And the turret jammed, so the tank did not return fire at the Bradley.
        1. 0
          8 September 2025 09: 09
          Quote: Illanatol
          Well, that's just part of the battle. Earlier, the T-90 came under artillery fire
          From whose words? Maybe.
          Quote: Illanatol
          then the fire control system could have been damaged. And the turret was jammed, so the tank did not return fire at the Bradley.
          Now this is already fiction. Because the T-90M fired at the M2, unfortunately unsuccessfully, and the turret began to rotate uncontrollably (and this is a malfunction) precisely after shelling from 25 mm artillery guns. Review it.
          1. +1
            10 September 2025 08: 43
            1. At the very beginning of the battle, the T-90 crew notices the first Bradley and fires almost point-blank. But it misses from a very short distance, and twice. This indicates that the FCS has already been damaged. Either by shelling or by a kamikaze drone, the latter is more likely. Shots fired virtually blindly cannot be called return fire.
            2. Although the "braddies" fired intensively, they were only able to damage the bodywork and rotation mechanism. The driver took the tank away and was able to rest the barrel against a tree to stop the rotation. Immediately after that, a kamikaze drone flew into the tank. But even the latter did not destroy the tank entirely and all three crew members were able to leave the tank on their own.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBuurp1gSA
      3. +1
        8 September 2025 10: 49
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        hard failure of the fire control system

        Isn't it possible to turn it off and do everything manually?
        1. -2
          8 September 2025 10: 55
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          Isn't it possible to turn it off and do everything manually?

          If I were a developer, I wouldn't say for sure, because the special agents don't sleep. But anyway... Either the tank crews didn't figure it out, or it wasn't provided for. For example, on most modern tanks, the commander has priority in controlling the turret. i.e. he can forcibly take control, but the gunner cannot.
          1. +3
            8 September 2025 12: 52
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Either the tankers didn’t think of it, or it wasn’t provided for.
            All modern tanks (I don’t know about the T-14) have a manual control mode for the main weapon.
            The photo shows the gunner's position on the T-90 tank, the manual gun aiming handles
            (all photos are in the public domain, I am not revealing any secrets)
            1. -1
              8 September 2025 15: 13
              Quote: Bad_gr
              All modern tanks (I don’t know about the T-14) have a manual control mode for the main weapon.

              Well, that means they didn't think of it/couldn't turn it off. In any case, turning off the FCS dramatically reduces the aiming capabilities. And the speed of manual aiming is definitely not for close combat.
              1. +4
                8 September 2025 15: 26
                In such cases, the main thing for tankers is to see where the enemy is firing from. If it is fired from a well-camouflaged ambush, how can one determine where the enemy is and where to shoot? This is especially true when small-caliber shells are pounding the turret and hull. A tank is a powerful weapon, but it is short-sighted and therefore needs cover and fresh information about the operational situation.
                1. +1
                  8 September 2025 15: 32
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  The tank is a powerful weapon, but it is rather blind and therefore needs cover and fresh information about the operational situation.

                  The uncontrolled rotation of the turret, as a result of shelling from automatic weapons, has nothing to do with these considerations. Even though all the sights are shattered and the barrel is a sieve.
                  1. +1
                    8 September 2025 15: 37
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Uncontrolled rotation of the turret as a result of shelling from automatic weapons,......
                    Where did you get the information that the turret rotation was uncontrolled? Maybe the gunner or commander deliberately rotated it to expose the turret's still undamaged protection to enemy shells?
                    The crew remained alive, and they were unable to set the tank on fire.
                    1. 0
                      8 September 2025 15: 42
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Where did you get the information that the turret rotation was uncontrolled? Maybe the gunner or commander deliberately rotated it to expose the tank's still undamaged armor to enemy shells?

                      What do you mean??? This is a different cheekbone, although even without ERA the front is invulnerable, exposing it to shells is controlled, but when the turret simply rotates, exposing the thin sides and rear, quite vulnerable to 25 mm APFSDS - this is uncontrolled.
                      1. +1
                        8 September 2025 15: 50
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        This is another cheekbone, although without DZ the forehead is invulnerable, exposing it to shells is controlled,
                        But what if the crew doesn’t know from which side the turret is being shot at?
                        In the photo is the T-90M tower
                      2. -2
                        8 September 2025 16: 31
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        But what if the crew doesn’t know from which side the turret is being shot at?

                        Well, in general, in addition to sights, there are also observation devices, and besides, the shelling was coming from approximately one side. And why then didn't they rotate the entire tank, if it was unknown where the shelling was coming from? They don't cover themselves with armor, exposing vulnerable areas.

                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        In the photo is the T-90M tower
                        And what does this photo show? That the turret has thin sides covered with spare parts boxes?
                      3. +1
                        8 September 2025 16: 35
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And what does this photo show? That the turret has thin sides covered with spare parts boxes?
                        The grates and boxes (often with some kind of filling) are all additional protection to the main armor of the turret.
                      4. -2
                        8 September 2025 16: 38
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        The grates and boxes (often with some kind of filling) are all additional protection to the main armor of the turret.

                        It is a known fact, but the increase, against the background of meter-long equivalents for penetration of frontal armor, is simply negligible.
                      5. +1
                        8 September 2025 16: 42
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It is a known fact, but the increase, against the background of meter-long equivalents for penetration of frontal armor, is simply negligible.
                        Against small-caliber projectiles, the Bradley gun could also perform the function of additional protection.
                      6. 0
                        8 September 2025 23: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        and when the tower just spins, thin sides and exposing the stern, quite vulnerable to 25 mm BOPS - this is uncontrollable.
                        What nonsense? Since when do our tanks have thin sides? The T-72-80-90 tanks have 80 mm of armor on the hull side (70 mm in the engine area). The T-90M (which was shot at) also has an armored sidewall with built-in ERA + large rollers, which also serve to protect the lower part of the tank side.
                      7. -1
                        9 September 2025 08: 51
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        What nonsense? Since when do our tanks have thin sides? The T-72-80-90 tanks have 80 mm of armor on the hull (70 mm in the engine area)

                        What do you mean? Do you think 80-110 is a thick side? That's a thick side for a Tiger from the 40s. But for an M919, it might give in at point-blank range, with armor penetration of 76-78 mm per KILOMETER.
                        It's stupid to expose vulnerable areas...
                      8. 0
                        9 September 2025 10: 05
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        In your opinion, 80-110 is a thick side?

                        Compared to other tanks that are considered well protected:

                        - "Leopard-2" tank hull side thickness 25 mm + bulwark
                        - "Abrams" hull side thickness 30mm + 32mm (additional armor plate in the fighting compartment area) + bulwark
                        - "Merkava" tank hull armor thickness 35 mm + bulwark

                        - "Abrams" - I don't know the protective properties of the bulwark (and they are different on different modifications). The photo shows the Abrams hull and the bulwark that they had in Iraq. It is pierced through by shrapnel.
                        "Leopard-2" - some of the equipment and batteries are moved out of the hull onto the fenders and are not covered by the main armor of the tank. For it, a large-caliber machine gun would definitely be dangerous when fired at the side.
                      9. -2
                        9 September 2025 10: 11
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Compared to other tanks that are considered well protected:

                        What are you telling me about other tanks? When the turret rotates, are other tanks protecting it?
                        Thin armor compared to the frontal one. Which even in theory 25 mm can't penetrate. But 80-110 can. A high explosive shell knocked down a zip box, tore it apart by the previous burst, what an incredible event? But the crew can't know about it.
                      10. +1
                        9 September 2025 10: 15
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Thin armor compared to the frontal one. Which even in theory 25 mm can't penetrate. But 80-110 can.
                        Can you give examples?
                      11. -2
                        9 September 2025 10: 52
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        Can you give examples?

                        Based on table data only: At 1000 m 78 mm. Closer it's more. Well, not 110, but definitely 80. Plus armor chipping.
                      12. +1
                        9 September 2025 11: 17
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Based on table data only: At 1000 m 78 mm. Closer it is more. Well, not 110, but 80 for sure.

                        The T-90M is now heading to Ukraine with these side skirts (the T-72B3 and T-80 BVM have the same ones). The second photo shows the side skirt from the end. Pay attention to the thickness of the armor. And where the rubber is, there is dynamic protection. This ERA will work on a sub-caliber projectile. So it is not a fact that a 25mm cannon projectile will reach the tank hull at all.
                      13. -1
                        9 September 2025 11: 57
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        So it is not a fact that a 25mm cannon shell will reach the tank hull at all.

                        Is this a reason to expose obviously weak spots to fire? What if a tank had arrived to Bradley? Or a hihol with an RPG?
                        As the deliberate rotation of the tower was stupid, so it remains. So there was no solution, but a failure of the fire control system.
                      14. +1
                        9 September 2025 15: 02
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        So there was no solution, but a failure of the control system.

                        An old joke.
                        Scientists conduct an experiment: they tore off a fly's wings and front legs, they whistle - the fly crawls. They tore off a fly's middle legs, they whistle - the fly crawls. They tore off a fly's back legs, they whistle - the fly does not crawl. The logical conclusion is that the fly has gone deaf.
                      15. +1
                        10 September 2025 10: 29
                        The advertising data tables do not stand up to any criticism. In reality, Bradley was unable to penetrate the side of the T-90 at point-blank range, although he fired continuously.
                      16. -1
                        10 September 2025 10: 27
                        You are writing nonsense. A 25 mm cannon is not capable of penetrating 80 mm of homogeneous armor. It is only in advertising for cretins that a 25 mm Bradley cannon penetrates 100 mm of armor steel, but in reality, a Bradley at this point-blank range continuously firing at a T-90 did not penetrate its side.
      4. -1
        8 September 2025 12: 09
        Are you sure that this battle was real and not filmed at the Dovzhenko Film Studio? The Bandar-logs had captured T-90s, captured during their retreat in the Kharkov region. Both "nonsense" acted too synchronously, as if everything had been rehearsed in advance and more than once. Therefore, the authenticity of this video raises certain doubts. Not exactly, but too "smoothly".
        1. -1
          8 September 2025 15: 29
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Both "ravings" acted so synchronously, as if everything had been rehearsed in advance and more than once.

          Do you follow the progress of the SVO strictly on Channel One and the "reports" of the DIMK of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? Don't you know anything about the difference in the provision of communications to our and the squealing troops and BBT?

          Quote: TermNachTER
          Are you sure that this fight was real and not filmed at the Dovzhenko Film Studio?
          Even complete propagandists who will suck victory out of anything, like:
          According to the unanimous opinion of observers, if the German tank "Leopard" or "Leopard-90" had been in the place of the T-2M, nothing would have remained of it. However, the reliable protection system of the Russian tank saved the lives of the crew.

          have no doubt that the footage is genuine...
          1. -2
            8 September 2025 15: 47
            1. I try to follow the progress of the SVO in the original, including from this side.
            2. I have doubts about the very "smooth", synchronous actions of both "Bredlies". It seems that everything was rehearsed - 20 times, and they knew in advance where the T-90 would go. By the way, the recording from the drone also raises doubts. Everything is very smooth - without jerks, without distortion, without loss of picture. Again, it seems that the drone operator knew everything in advance, where the T-90 would go, and where the "Bredlies". Excellent advertising for American equipment))) "two "Bredlies" easily "tore apart" the newest Russian tank"))) Don't believe me?))) Here is a video recording "straight from the front line")))
            3. And who said that if the movie was filmed at the Dovzhenko Film Studio, then they are not authentic? Of course they are real and any examination will confirm their authenticity. However - this may be a movie for the right category of TV viewers.
            1. 0
              8 September 2025 16: 21
              Quote: TermNachTER
              By the way, the drone recording also raises doubts. Everything is very smooth - no jerks, no distortions, no loss of picture.

              What a shame... Actually, it's the 21st century - repeaters, optics, 4K matrices and image stabilization, all that stuff.

              Quote: TermNachTER
              Again, it seems that the drone operator knew everything in advance, where the T-90 would go, and where the "ramblings" would go.
              The drone worked from a height and distance, for him it was all just a general view.

              Quote: TermNachTER
              It seems that everything was rehearsed - 20 times, and they knew in advance where the T-90 would go.
              You don't even seem to understand what the advantage of communication and observation is...

              Quote: TermNachTER
              And who said that if the films were shot at the Dovzhenko Film Studio, then they are not authentic?
              For this, they rolled a rather large village out of logs and are conducting an artillery battle in the background? Actually, this is the village of Stepovoe, in the Avdeevka direction - the well-known branch of the Dovzhenko KS. In the deep Ukrainian rear. (Sarcasm).

              Quote: TermNachTER
              I try to follow the progress of the SVO in the original, including from this side.
              You are doing very poorly at this, judging by this topic.
              1. +1
                8 September 2025 17: 39
                1. So you are telling this to a person who was engaged in video filming almost professionally, on quite good equipment. That is why I doubt such quality of video filming, as if there is no battle and no one is shooting at the drone and it hangs quietly in one place.
                2. No advantage in communications and situational awareness allows for quick synchronization of movements, as if two hands were acting - right and left. Even with excellent equipment, it takes time to understand and analyze the picture on the screen, and then transmit a command to the second vehicle by radio. And the commander of the second vehicle also needs time to "digest" the command and give the command to the driver, and answer that he understood everything and is following. And all this takes seconds - seconds - seconds. But on video, the "braddies" act like clockwork, practically without stopping and always end up where they need to be.
                3. There were already enough broken villages in Banderland at that time - shoot wherever you want. And where can you see that this is the village of Stepovoe? Are there road signs or is there a georeference?
                4. What I do badly and what I don’t do well is not for you to judge, it’s not your level)
                1. -3
                  8 September 2025 18: 05
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  1. So you are telling this to a person who was involved in video shooting almost professionally, using very good equipment.

                  "Almost", but not "quite" does not mean that you understand anything about it, otherwise you would have linked the general, almost panoramic shooting with the fact that the drone operator "sees everything" - because he sees everything. Besides, these are just words, maybe you filmed them at "Dovzhenko Studio".

                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  No amount of communication and situational awareness can provide rapid synchronization of movements, as if two hands were acting - right and left. Even with excellent equipment, it takes time to understand and analyze the image on the screen, and then transmit a command by radio to the second machine.
                  What nonsense... Commanders only need to know where the enemy is in order to plan a battle.

                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  And in the video, the "braddies" act like clockwork, practically without stopping and always appear where they need to be.
                  Because their commanders know where the enemy is and work with their eyes, and experience, even the Khikhlyovs can have it, believe it or not. Although if you are from 22, then you probably don't believe it...

                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  There were already enough broken villages in Banderland at that time - shoot wherever you want. And where can you see that this is the village of Stepovoe? Are there road signs or is there a georeference?
                  You are already writing outright nonsense. Because the villages for which there was fighting have already been left to us, firstly, and secondly - yes, there is a connection, imagine that. The terrain is not even determined by the location of houses and forest plantations, but by the location of lamps and sockets, warehouses are found. And if no one has refuted the time and place of the battle, then the battle was real.

                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  What I do badly and what I don't do well is not for you to judge, it's not your level)
                  It seems like you can’t get out of 2022, or even much earlier, and you stubbornly demonstrate this, so I’m sorry, but even my low level is more than enough.
                  1. +3
                    8 September 2025 18: 32
                    1. That's what raises suspicion. Where did a high-class cameraman with good equipment come from in an ordinary Bandera mechanized battalion? He probably got lost on the way from the Dovzhenko film studio?)))
                    2. You tell such nonsense to children in kindergarten, any plan is good before the battle begins. Then improvisation begins, I did not serve in the tank crews, but it does not matter much.
                    3. So what are you talking about?))) And were the broken-down villages near Kyiv, Chernigov, Kharkov (from Balakleya to Kupyansk) yours? Did you personally defend them?))) They defended them rather poorly - I must say)))
                    4. A lone Russian tank is driving around a Ukrainian village and two other lonely "Bredlies" are coming towards it))) And where is the infantry cover for the tank? And where is the fire support? Is the battle taking place in a "spherical vacuum"?)))
                    5. And finally - tell me the source. Who and when posted this video online? And where did he get this video from?
                    1. -2
                      9 September 2025 09: 15
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      And finally - tell me the source. Who and when posted this video online? And where did he get this video from?

                      And why at the end, first - it's a Ukrainian source. So what? Ahh, I understand... YOU are from that universe where the Ukrainians didn't shoot down any of ours, didn't sink a single Black Sea Fleet ship, and a visiting sabotage group of one and a half cripples entered the Kursk region and was immediately destroyed...

                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      1. That's what raises suspicion. Where did a high-class cameraman with good equipment come from in an ordinary Bandera mechanized battalion? He probably got lost on the way from the Dovzhenko film studio?)))
                      Your case perfectly fits the definition of "Love in the eyes"...
                      Shown is a run-of-the-mill footage that is in no way superior in quality to the footage from Mavic 3. You are naturally from a cave...


                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      You tell such nonsense to children in kindergarten, any plan is good before the battle begins. Then improvisation begins, I did not serve in the tankers, but it does not matter much.
                      Where did you see about the plan?

                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      2. You tell such nonsense to children in kindergarten, any plan is good before the battle begins. Then improvisation begins, I did not serve in the tank crews, but it does not matter much.
                      What plan?! What are you talking about? Armor commanders only need to know where the enemy is AT THE CURRENT moment. And a camera in the air and a stable connection with the camera operator provide this opportunity.
                      You naturally don’t understand the simplest things about communication and observation.

                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      3. So what are you talking about?))) And were the broken-down villages near Kyiv, Chernigov, Kharkov (from Balakleya to Kupyansk) yours? Did you personally defend them?))) They defended them rather poorly - I must say)))
                      These are the kind of mossy and unteachable people who not only don't know how to use OSINT, but don't even understand the simplest things about communications, and they brought our army and navy to the current reality... People like you are worse than khikhly... Especially if they are in charge.

                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      4. A lone Russian tank is driving around a Ukrainian village and two other lonely "Bredlies" are coming towards it))) And where is the infantry cover for the tank? And where is the fire support? Is the battle taking place in a "spherical vacuum"?)))

                      And what about the battle of the T-80 "Alyosha" against the column of khikhly? Almost a complete analogue, only in our favor, because the khikhly were not able to raise their eyes in the air that time. Was this filmed at Mosfilm or what?
                      1. +1
                        9 September 2025 10: 40
                        1. No, I am from the universe where the question is always asked: "Who benefits from this?" Who benefits from such a beautiful movie?
                        2. Don't tell me about the rank and file - simple, I repeat, I also filmed a video and can evaluate the quality of the videographer's work. And explain - there is a battle, a drone is hanging - no one is shooting at it? Maybe it's a toy battle?
                        3. This is exactly what I am talking about, that the communication between the BMP commanders and the UAV operator is all the time + situation assessment + decision making + transmission of the command to the commander of the second BMP - all the time. And in the video the BMPs are driving around non-stop, as if they know where the tank will be in the next second.
                        3. I don't understand - are we talking about the broken-down Ukrainian villages or about the quality of the connection?)))
                        4. By the way, here is a video about the fight between "Alyosha" and the Bandar-logs, I have no doubts. The range is large, the quality of the filming is so-so. It is clear that this is not Mosfilm. It was filmed by an ordinary average UAV operator, in a real situation.
                      2. -2
                        9 September 2025 11: 53
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        1. No, I am from the universe where the question is always asked: "Who benefits from this?" Who benefits from such a beautiful movie?

                        Ahaha. Denying the obvious and not understanding the simplest - this is exactly your universe, where only chicks can stage.

                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        2. Don't tell me about the ordinary people - simple ones, I repeat, I also filmed a video and can evaluate the quality of the videographer's work.
                        I can imagine how badly you did it... Because the specific video is just a general view, and with pretty lousy quality from a drone, even without close-ups. And your level is also clear because:

                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        And explain - there is a battle going on, a drone is hanging - no one is shooting at it? Maybe it's a toy battle?
                        Who's going to shoot at it?! Will the khikhlyas shoot at it? The drone is moving deep in the khikhlyas' ranks! You, such a seasoned videographer, didn't even understand this.
                        And the fact that you are stuck in the "Tank Biathlons" does not allow you to understand that the drone, with very decent optics, is so small.

                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        This is exactly what I'm talking about, that the connection between the BMP commanders and the UAV operator is all the time + situation assessment + decision making + transmission of the command to the commander of the second BMP - all the time. And in the video, the BMPs are driving around non-stop, as if they know where the tank will be in the next second.
                        Oh my God, how primitive. The operator only needs to tell what the tank is doing. How about you, have you even mastered the phone? With such an understanding of the transmission and assimilation of information?

                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        3. I don't understand - are we talking about the broken-down Ukrainian villages or about the quality of the connection?)))

                        Personally, I write that only a mossy and unteachable type can think that it is impossible to determine the location and time of filming from a video. And yes, before our withdrawal from Kherson and everywhere, there were no fierce battles, when the OP was dismantled to the stone, except for Marik. And after that, all such villages remained either behind us or in the near sniveling rear. This is about your knowledge of reality.

                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        By the way, I have no doubts about the video of "Alyosha" fighting the Bandar-logs. The range is large, the quality of the filming is so-so. It is clear that this is not Mosfilm. It was filmed by an ordinary average UAV operator, in a real situation.
                        The range, the quality, wow... Because as far as I remember, they were filming from an aircraft-type UAV. But that's not the point, the point is that the T-80 had no infantry cover. But you, as a super operator, don't remember what you wrote yourself:
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        where is the infantry cover for the tank? where is the fire support? is the battle taking place in a "spherical vacuum"?)))

                        You should at least ask about the Mavic's specifications right now...
                      3. +1
                        9 September 2025 13: 29
                        1. No, the Bandar-logs fight well, but the secret of their success is NATO intelligence and Starlink, and not super fighters on "bradels" and super operators on Mavics.
                        2. Well, the court accepted my video, so it’s not that bad))) and what is your knowledge on this issue based on?
                        3. How can you see that the drone is hanging deep in the Kozlyatsky positions? Have you been there - have you seen the shooting point?
                        4. From your comments it is clear that you were not only not at war. You have only seen a tank or an infantry fighting vehicle on video. And it is clear what kind of video it was)))
                        5. You still haven't answered whether there were any broken-down villages where you could film entertaining movies or not? 40-50 km. - is that the near rear or where? And in the Kherson region there are only broken-down villages left from Snegirivka. Therefore, you could even film a new version of "War and Peace" there))) As for the mossiness and other things, we'll talk about it another time.
                        6. Regarding the battle of "Alyosha" with the Bandar-logs, they didn't lie, it was said that he was helped by artillery. But in the heroic blockbuster made in bunderland - a fairy tale in its purest form)))
                        7. How do you know that the filming was done from a Mavic? Were you there? Maybe it was an "Autel"?))))
                      4. 0
                        9 September 2025 16: 09
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        And explain - there is a battle going on, a drone is hanging - no one is shooting at it? Maybe it's a toy battle?

                        And what to shoot at it with? For a tank command post and its sight "Mavic" is too small. And for infantry shooting too. The late Murz had a video of the mortar adjustment on the Ukrainian group: when starting to shoot at the UAV, the operator led it away from the target by a couple of hundred meters - and that's it, the effectiveness of the enemy's fire became zero. And the optics were enough to work at such a distance.
                        As for the "tank vs. BMP" battle - if BMPs shoot at a tank with impunity, then our infantry is not nearby. And against UAVs, our tank has only a control center on the turret. But here's the problem: there is no one to shoot from it, since the commander is busy fighting the BMP.
                      5. -1
                        9 September 2025 16: 36
                        The company (battalion) commander sends a tank on a solo walk through the village, where it meets some BMPs that accidentally wandered in? And where did they lose their infantry? Or was that not in the script? And the FVPs were shot down in all sorts of ways, I saw a video, even from an SVD, but I won't claim that the video is real. In general, until there is
                        100% proof, I think this movie, and the one made very poorly. As Dr. Goebbels used to say: "You have to lie - believably, otherwise - they won't believe you."
                      6. 0
                        10 September 2025 10: 48
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        A company (battalion) commander sends a tank on a solo walk through a village, where it encounters some BMPs that have strayed by chance? And where did they lose their infantry?

                        Most likely, the Ukrainian infantry is in the same place as our tank's infantry - busy with each other. The BMPs reached the front line, dropped the infantry and went to plug the holes. If I remember correctly, even we officially prescribed the use of BMPs separated from their squads - as a platoon reserve.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        And the FVPs were shot down in all sorts of ways, I saw a video of how even from an SVD

                        That's how they shot down the Apache from the Karamultuk... wink
                      7. 0
                        10 September 2025 11: 46
                        1. Just like that? Abandoned your infantry and went for a drive around the village? What's the point of such drives? To catch a PG-7 VR or "Aglen" on board? Neither a tank, nor two BMPs, will be able to hold the position themselves - around the house, enemy infantry under cover of buildings will approach point-blank or wait for you to drive up yourself.
                      8. 0
                        9 September 2025 16: 03
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What plan?! What are you talking about? Armor commanders only need to know where the enemy is AT THE CURRENT moment. And a camera in the air and a stable connection with the camera operator provide this opportunity.

                        I remember there was a video of a head-on battle between two tanks, filmed from our UAV. Our tank knew that there was an enemy in front of it, Ukrainian, apparently, it did not have such information. The result - when the enemy appeared in the visibility zone, our tank immediately fired a shell at it, without wasting time to survey the battlefield, detect, turn the turret, etc.
    2. 0
      8 September 2025 08: 41
      Quote: BAI
      It seems that the designers are confident that the tank will only be hit with a blank.

      And the designers of the Armata did not even provide for protection of the optical electronic devices from small arms... all devices are only under the cover of the anti-fragment casing. In a regular tank, only the head parts of the observation and aiming devices are unprotected, the rest is under the protection of the turret, but in the Armata, the devices are completely unprotected, a 5 mm casing on pins with cotter pins cannot be considered protection. Were they counting on the APS? But how can the APS help against fire from small-caliber automatic cannons? It can't.
      1. -2
        8 September 2025 09: 17
        No need to replicate this mossy nonsense. What Armata has under its casing, regular tanks have no protection on the outside, and what regular tanks have under their armor, Armata has both under its armor and under its casing. There are plenty of pictures on this subject...
        The fact that the Armata turret is narrower than the T-90 turret only means that there is no need to protect the turret gunners, and the front can be shortened by at least 120 cm.
        1. -2
          8 September 2025 09: 20
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          No need to replicate this mossy nonsense. What Armata has under its casing, regular tanks have no protection on the outside, and what regular tanks have under their armor, Armata has both under its armor and under its casing. There are plenty of pictures on this subject...
          The fact that the Armata turret is narrower than the T-90 turret only means that there is no need to protect the turret gunners, and the front can be shortened by at least 120 cm.

          Can I get a picture? I have one without a casing, it doesn't even smell like armor.
          1. -1
            8 September 2025 09: 22
            Quote: Konnick
            Can I have a picture?
            Well, if you are not able to type in the search "Armata turret without casing" then please:
            https://topcor.ru/uploads/posts/2021-11/1637993858_4qtgai97pb4.jpg
            https://topcor.ru/uploads/posts/2021-11/1638027281_57545.jpg

            https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1535103/pub_64e4b0a53c6d8165a995418a_64e4bdc186d0d0041608e8a8/scale_1200
            1. -5
              8 September 2025 09: 38
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Quote: Konnick
              Can I have a picture?
              Well, if you are not able to type in the search "Armata turret without casing" then please:
              https://topcor.ru/uploads/posts/2021-11/1637993858_4qtgai97pb4.jpg
              https://topcor.ru/uploads/posts/2021-11/1638027281_57545.jpg

              https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/1535103/pub_64e4b0a53c6d8165a995418a_64e4bdc186d0d0041608e8a8/scale_1200

              There is not even any dynamic protection for the turret.
              1. 0
                8 September 2025 09: 51
                Ah, the complaints about the armor have disappeared, complaints about the DZ have appeared.
                Quote: Konnick
                There is not even any dynamic protection for the turret.

                Hand face... According to you, the DZ is installed on an unfinished tank, and even under the casing, and even with the APS?
                Why aren't there any complaints about the Merkava that it's not covered in boxes?
                1. -5
                  8 September 2025 10: 24
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Ah, the complaints about the armor have disappeared, complaints about the DZ have appeared.
                  Quote: Konnick
                  There is not even any dynamic protection for the turret.

                  Hand face... According to you, the DZ is installed on an unfinished tank, and even under the casing, and even with the APS?
                  Why aren't there any complaints about the Merkava that it's not covered in boxes?

                  Sharp. I wanted to say if there was armor, there would be dynamic protection. And the breech of the gun is covered with regular armor. Don't expect Armata, such tanks are not needed, if they were needed, they would have been there long ago
                  1. 0
                    8 September 2025 10: 36
                    Quote: Konnick
                    Sharply. I wanted to say that if there was armor, there would also be dynamic protection.

                    Somehow I don't see that all those elements, like the radar, the APS mortars and the smoke mortars, which are located openly on other tanks, are hanging in the air. After all, under the casing, in your opinion, there is nothing... Under the casing there is normal side armor, because this is the side of the turret. And this is clear from the service hatch with massive hinges. And the side and rear of the turret on the T-90, for example, are about 110-80 mm. Like other tanks. Because there is such a thing as differentiated armor.

                    Quote: Konnick
                    Don't wait for Armata, such tanks are not needed, if they were needed, they would have been here long ago
                    You don't see the obvious, but you predict something...
                    Armata, for example, has an initially unprecedented protection of the turret roof, which is obvious. Not to you, though.
      2. -2
        8 September 2025 09: 28
        Well, we (namely the Army, if we recall the legend of all previous combined arms exercises, and now recently in Central Asia) were only going to fight terrorists, it is just not clear which ones and why the Ministry of Defense should fight them (?). And what kind of small-caliber guns do terrorists have, and especially the Bradley? That is probably what those who created the Armata tank, which has no analogues in the world, thought. Yes
    3. -1
      8 September 2025 09: 03
      Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so much equipment on the tower that would be swept away by the first high-explosive fragmentation shell.

      Where would you like to place it? Under the bottom of the tank or at the stern?
      1. -3
        8 September 2025 09: 19
        Quote: Illanatol
        Otherwise, there wouldn’t be so much equipment on the tower that would be swept away by the first high-explosive fragmentation shell.

        Where would you like to place it? Under the bottom of the tank or at the stern?

        It is necessary to minimize optical devices, and not to breed huge frying pans. The opening of the gun sight in the Tiger and our tanks had an opening of about 5 cm, it was very difficult even for snipers to hit and break the device, and in a modern tank it is elementary to hit the screen of the thermal imager. Moreover, the periscope and telescopic devices of WWII tanks were changed from the inside.
  2. -4
    8 September 2025 10: 44
    Wires?
    When did you switch from electrode to wire?
    It seems like electrodes were still in use during WWII, no?
    1. +6
      8 September 2025 10: 59
      Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
      When did you switch from electrode to wire?
      It seems like electrodes were still in use during WWII, no?

      What's confusing? The electrode is a wire, just coated with flux. Welding machines have multi-meter-long wire coils, and the flux is supplied separately, that's all.
      1. 0
        8 September 2025 15: 51
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        What bothers you?

        It's a complicated thing.
        Well, if the diameter is 2 or higher - (as it seems to me) you will get tired of serving.
        Clearly not the easiest engineering.

        To me, as someone who still welds with electrodes at home, this thing from the 40s and 50s seems like the distant future (and very strong witchcraft). wassat
        1. +4
          8 September 2025 15: 59
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          Well, if the diameter is 2 or higher - (as it seems to me) you will get tired of serving.
          Clearly not the easiest engineering.

          Here's a solution right off the bat, notches every 25 cm, for example, and along these notches it is easily wound and unwound on a drum. And in general, there is 8 mm copper-plated wire for welding in coils.
        2. 0
          9 September 2025 20: 22
          The text indicates the wire diameter. And it is not 2 mm.
    2. +3
      8 September 2025 11: 59
      Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
      Wires?
      When did you switch from electrode to wire?
      It seems like electrodes were still in use during WWII, no?

      What does the Great Patriotic War have to do with it, if the nose of the T-55 was broken in 1959? belay ??!!! 14 years have passed...
      And during the war, the machines created by Paton were already used to weld T-34 hulls.
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      2. 0
        8 September 2025 15: 48
        Quote: your1970
        And during the war, the machines created by Paton were already used to weld T-34 hulls.

        For some reason I thought that there were no automatic welding machines back then. I thought it was something completely new.
        I was surprised that the minimum was already in '59.
        1. +2
          8 September 2025 15: 55
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          Quote: your1970
          And during the war, the machines created by Paton were already used to weld T-34 hulls.

          For some reason I thought that there were no automatic welding machines back then. I thought it was something completely new.
          I was surprised that the minimum was already in '59.

          It was thanks to the machines that ours were able to increase production volumes without a large number of qualified welders. The Germans failed to pull this trick off - and the need for qualified welders was one from a series of restrictions on the volume of tank production by the Third Reich

          "Automatic submerged arc welding technology in 1942 In the year it was introduced into the production of tanks, aerial bombs, and other ammunition. Its use increased the speed of welding production by 5 times, while simultaneously reducing the requirements for the welder’s qualifications. Even a teenager could use the Paton apparatus! The quality of welds also improved. Later, the technology was refined, new fluxes were introduced, created on the basis of local Ural materials, welding heads were modified, and technologies for automatic welding of the next generation of Soviet tanks, the IS-2, were created. Until the end of the war, no one in the world was able to repeat this technology, which at that time was truly ahead of its time!"
          1. +1
            8 September 2025 15: 59
            Quote: your1970
            It was thanks to the machines that ours were able to increase production volumes without a large number of qualified welders. The Germans failed to pull this trick off - and the need for qualified welders was one of a number of limitations on the Third Reich's tank production volumes.

            It's a pity they didn't teach this at school (at least in the 90s).
            It is impossible to come up with a clearer illustration of the importance of developing industries and production technologies.
            1. +1
              8 September 2025 16: 08
              Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
              Quote: your1970
              It was thanks to the machines that ours were able to increase production volumes without a large number of qualified welders. The Germans failed to pull this trick off - and the need for qualified welders was one of a number of limitations on the Third Reich's tank production volumes.

              It's a pity they didn't teach this at school (at least in the 90s).
              It is impossible to come up with a clearer illustration of the importance of developing industries and production technologies.

              Well, at least in the USSR it was a known fact, and there was a film about it, "Bridge over Life"
          2. 0
            9 September 2025 20: 24
            So stop. I couldn't repeat what you said.
            But weren't Liberty trucks assembled using the same technology?
  3. +3
    8 September 2025 17: 25
    It is a pity that there are no copies of the orders on the punishment of the section manager, the foreman, the team leader and the welder himself, Comrade Oreshin I.S., as well as on the punishment of the technologist in the chief welder's department who developed the technological map for welding the "NOS" part and the storekeepers who did not provide the technology with the required temperature and humidity of the flux that was given to Comrade Oreshin at the beginning of the shift (or Oreshin received dry and warm flux, but the car gates were opened in the shop when it was raining outside, and the welding site was not covered from drafts with tarpaulin screens, as provided for in the technological map, or the technological map did not provide for screens???) ... It is not clear: did the assemblers tack weld the outer seam using manual arc welding with an austenitic electrode (they got a hot crack) or did the welder tack weld himself. It is not clear: who and how degreased the edge preparation and EI-613 wire. It is not clear: did the welding modes exactly correspond to those specified in the process map or not; if they did, they should be changed (increase the current by 20-30 A, reduce the welding speed by 0,5 - 1 m / h). It is not clear: who carried out the cleaning of the weld after each layer, how, with what; why after each layer of welding there was no radiography of the weld (lack of fusion, and such a long one - the direct fault of the welder comrade Oreshin I.S.). Or did they save on radiography, as during the construction of the nuclear icebreaker "Lenin"? This saving ultimately led to the explosions of the hull of the nuclear icebreaker in 1967 and the sinking of all three OK-150 reactors in the Kara Sea. And for Lenin's 100th anniversary in Severodvinsk, Zvezdochka launched two new OK-900 reactors on Lenin, for which it was awarded the Order of Lenin.
  4. +1
    9 September 2025 15: 18
    We had two BTRDs with cracked seams in 2, in the place of the greatest stress concentration, where the two lower sheets and the upper one meet, right along the welded seams. But everything was quickly fixed without even sending the vehicles to the repair battalion. The "company guys" arrived, set up tents over the APCs and fixed everything in a day, even painted it so that you couldn't even see where the cracks were.
    1. 0
      10 September 2025 08: 13
      Quote: Romanenko
      We had two BTRDs with cracked seams in 2, in the place of the greatest stress concentration, where the two lower sheets and the upper one meet, right along the welded seams. But everything was quickly fixed without even sending the vehicles to the repair battalion. The "company guys" arrived, set up tents over the APCs and fixed everything in a day, even painted it so that you couldn't even see where the cracks were.

      I wonder if these repairmen removed the reinforcement of the seams at the intersection of these seams? When welding intersecting joints, the seam made first is removed at the intersection until the specified shape of the edge preparation is obtained. That's why it cracked. I was in Sevastopol, looked at the hull of a floating crane - horror, there were places where 4 seams converge at one point, and as for the junction of the butt seams of the cut with the main butt of the hull, it's a disaster, not a single removal of the reinforcement of the welded seam.
  5. -1
    9 November 2025 14: 17
    For a title like that, you should have your nose broken, you runt. What you've described is a natural process...even in the Western tanks you revere...I was convinced of this personally in my time.