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Who in the Baltics pulls the blanket over himself?

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Who in the Baltics pulls the blanket over himself?There is a common opinion about the inviolable defense trinity of the Baltic states - Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. All three countries are members of the NATO bloc, the armed forces of the three former Soviet republics regularly participate in joint exercises, exchange experience, the military-political leadership of the countries makes mutual visits, and all this is “spiced up” with loud words about the protection of sovereign Baltic peoples from aggression from eastern neighbor. "


Is there really a lot of mutual understanding between Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia (in that order - author’s note) in fact?

In mid-October 2012, on the other side of the Baltic Sea - in Sweden - the report "Security and Defense of the Baltic States" was published by a group of experts commissioned by the Swedish Ministry of Defense. The report concluded that of the three Baltic States, only Estonia can be considered to be defensive to a certain extent.

Of course, the report was sharply received in Latvia and Lithuania, however, in Estonia, the press naturally naturally accepted the provisions voiced in the report. Moreover, in Tallinn, they were so inspired by the positive assessment of the Swedish specialists that they were not ashamed of the expressions and called the army of Latvia “an empty place” at all.

For the sake of truth, it is worth noting that the impressive report of the Swedish Ministry of Defense contains not only an analysis of the defense capabilities of the Baltic republics - there is a lot of information up to the assessment of the Russian military reform and the prospects for NATO in the event of "possible aggression from the East." It is clear that the independent Baltic republics are not in a position to fight on equal terms with Russia and are directly dependent on the support of the alliance, however, according to the authors of the document, there are significant differences between them.

Estonia has the most efficient army. Its armed forces have 5500 troops, and in the case of mobilization, thousands more can be increased by 30, which makes it possible to fully equip one infantry brigade, four separate battalions and four defensive areas.

In addition, there are 12000 people in the Estonian Defense Union, the so-called "Kaiteleit" - a volunteer militia that also reports to the Ministry of Defense. The Estonian army has about 100 armored personnel carriers, 100 artillery shells, 230 mortars, a number of anti-tank guided missiles and an air defense system. The air force consists of two transport aircraft and four helicopters, and the navy is represented by boats and four minesweepers.

In general, the report says, the Estonian army is a force capable of making its contribution to ensuring stability in the region, and any alleged aggressor who chose to seize the republic "impudently" will face serious resistance.

Against the background of such a flattering description for Estonians, the state of affairs in Latvia looks deplorable. The Latvian armed forces are about 5000 military and 10000 reservists. The army was consolidated into two "not the most combat-ready" infantry battalions and the Zemeszardze battalion, a volunteer paramilitary force that is part of the defense ministry. At the same time, the operational headquarters in the country consist exclusively of administrative staff.

In the event of a general mobilization, Latvia will receive another 14 lightly armed infantry battalion, one artillery battalion, one air defense battalion and several auxiliary units. A common problem for the army is the shortage of heavy weapons - in particular, it does not have any armored personnel carriers or any other armored vehicles, and there are also no short-range and medium-range air defense weapons.

According to the Estonian newspaper "Postimees", the defense forces of Estonia and Latvia, which started from one line twenty years ago, are now in a diametrically opposite position. Latvian Defense Forces are not ready to fight at all. They can neither defend their country nor cooperate internationally. Estonia’s southern border is defenseless, and “in terms of security, Latvia is an empty place,” says Kaarel Kaas, an expert at the International Center for Defense Studies. According to him, "in the event of war, the Latvian army will be able to protect sacks of flour and bridges somewhere in the rear, but it is not suitable for military actions."

As for, for example, the Latvian militia, then, according to the colonel of the stock of the Estonian defense forces, Leo Kunnas, 10 thousand people "declared in the Latvian" Zemeszardze "exist only on paper."

Ants Laaneots, the former commander of the Estonian defense forces, said that army financing in terms of both the total amount and in terms of percent of GDP, both in Lithuania and in Latvia, is much lower than the Estonian ones. Thus, in 2011, defense expenditures in Lithuania amounted to 0,91% of GDP, in Latvia - 1,05% of GDP, while Estonia spent 1,73% of GDP on its soldiers. "At the same time, in 2012, these expenses were increased to 2%," said Laaneots. In his opinion, the full ambitions after joining NATO, Latvia and Lithuania moved too early to the model of a professional army. As a result, a situation has developed in which 59% of the army budget Latvia spends thousands of its servicemen on 4,6 salaries, and 10,6 thousands of Lithuanian military "eat up" 67% of its military budget. Of course, in such a situation it is out of the question to modernize or purchase new types of equipment and weapons.

"If you add to the salary expenses the cost of participating in a mission in Afghanistan, then neither Latvia nor Lithuania, in fact, have any money left for the development of the army," the general said. As for Estonia, where recruits make up the majority of the army, personnel costs do not exceed 34,5% of the total military budget.

It is curious that in Latvia they preferred to respond to the criticism coming from the pages of the Estonian press, and not to the report published by the Swedes. According to the Minister of Defense of Latvia Artis Pabriks, the article in "Rostimees" is tendentious, it "heats up the atmosphere and does not contribute to the unity of the Baltic countries", but the Latvian side found few counter-arguments.

Thus, the parliamentary secretary of the Latvian Ministry of Defense, Veiko Spolitis, probably wanting to rehabilitate the Latvian military in the eyes of society, recalled that several years ago the Estonian armed forces borrowed T-55 tank from Latvia, which was removed from service as not meeting NATO standards.

Among other disagreements in the camp of the Baltic states, there is a separate issue of cooperation with NATO. Recall, the mission of the NATO air police in the Baltic countries began in 2004, immediately after their entry into the alliance, and today alliance aircraft are based in Lithuania. Tallinn is trying to negotiate with Vilnius on the transfer of the airbase of the coalition forces under the Lithuanian Šaulai (the largest military airfield from Soviet times) to Estonia on the reconstructed airfield in Ämari. In the 2012 year, this fight with Lithuania for the right to be present on the territory of Estonia by the alliance's air police aircraft was particularly significant - each of the three (including Latvia, technically not having such an opportunity) countries wants patrol aircraft to be based on its territory.

On the whole, quite a lot of facts indicate that the leadership of the Baltic countries is more inclined to "overtighten the blankets" than to full-fledged military cooperation. Perhaps this is really explained by the gap between the preparedness of the armies of the three neighboring states. However, many experts are inclined to consider such (and, as a rule, reciprocal) attacks as part of the political struggle that Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are waging for their prestige in the all-European arena.
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  1. Tatarus
    Tatarus April 20 2013 08: 10 New
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    "Three wise men, in one basin, sailed across the sea in a thunderstorm.
    The old basin would be stronger - our story would be longer "

    Oh, the Baltic states are floundering in the NATO-European cesspool
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk April 20 2013 16: 12 New
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      laughing That's for sure, I’m generally touched by research on the combat readiness of the armies of the Baltic Limitrophs. The circus left the clowns remained.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk April 21 2013 06: 01 New
        +2
        Neither tell, nor tell ... I myself saw what Latvian specialists do ... Soviet school, by the way, maybe they will get a couple of mouths together with veterans ... but the personnel parts are meat.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich April 21 2013 07: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Bosk
          they may be typed a couple of mouths with veterans ...

          And where can these pair of mouths be adapted?
          1. Bosk
            Bosk April 21 2013 12: 47 New
            +1
            Well, the scope of specialists is such ... that the main thing is not quantity, but quality.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 22 2013 04: 57 New
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          Quote: Bosk
          I myself saw that the Latvian experts get up

          What can you see in the sense of what they do? Window dressing, as everyone has it, both the Airborne Forces and the Special Forces. Special Forces are known in business, in the present. And not on the parade ground with performances. To whom and where in combat conditions, the ability to beat a bottle on his head, a can with his foot came in handy? At one time I was interested in throwing knives, I asked a friend from Sp. Naz, how and where they are taught. He answered me, if it came to hand-to-hand combat, then I unmasked myself, and failed the group and the task. If the knife remains the last weapon in his hands, he will not throw it away. This is tantamount to suicide. So that they really know how, and that they know, we will not be shown this to ordinary people.
          1. Bosk
            Bosk April 22 2013 20: 17 New
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            I did not mean demonstrations, but work in the field ... and the emphasis is mainly on secrecy ... survival ... running and fire training, melee is mainly for maintaining shape, the emphasis is on the first strike, if the strike is not passed and a scuffle ensued, then defeat is defended. This approach seems to be for all specialists ...
      2. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 April 21 2013 07: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        laughing That's for sure, I’m generally touched by research on the combat readiness of the armies of the Baltic Limitrophs. The circus left the clowns remained.



        No, these are countries - dwarfs are measured by peeps. Who has more lol
      3. Denis
        Denis April 22 2013 03: 40 New
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        Quote: Sakhalininets
        The circus left the clowns remained
        Reasons for laughter are few. Russia should be concerned about the differences of the three superpowers lol
    2. 53-Sciborskiy
      53-Sciborskiy April 20 2013 16: 31 New
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      Most Latvians do not want, in case of aggression, with arms in their hands to defend their beloved Motherland.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 20 2013 16: 38 New
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        Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
        Most Latvians do not want, in case of aggression, with arms in their hands to defend their beloved Motherland.

        Objectivity for the sake of. He served in Riga in 82m. I never felt negative from the part of Latvians in ours, i.e. Soviet soldiers, address. Rather, on the contrary, cigarettes were always offered, and they called at the cafe table. Misunderstandings did occur, of course, but this, most likely due to mutual stupidity, could have happened everywhere.
        1. alitet
          alitet April 20 2013 17: 13 New
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          Agree that the 82nd peak of the Soviets. And the people were Soviet, even in Latvia. In the 82nd I served in Moscow. I have never met a more offensive attitude towards a soldier. My good friend, having endured, once said: " barbed wire so let the Motherland breathe freely. "And by the way, I served in the elite 83420 (maybe someone knows). And the Latvians are excellent soldiers, they proved it back in the Civil War. And what politicians are doing to us and in Russia has something to marvel at. Well, they don't want to They are friends with the Russians, the Swedes are closer to them. But who is stopping you? Only in Russia is this possible. The Balts, both in tsarist and Soviet times, did not complain of infringement of national feelings.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin April 20 2013 17: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: alitet
            .In '82 I served in Moscow. I have never met a more offensive attitude towards a soldier. My good friend, having endured it, once said: "I would like to enclose Moscow with barbed wire and let the Motherland breathe freely." And by the way, I served in the elite 83420 (maybe someone knows)

            I do not know. I live in Moscow since the 85th year, I did not notice the negative for the soldiers. There is such a moment. If he went to serve and could not otmazatsya from the army - then a sucker. This shit here in Moscow is full. I don’t know request Himself, I will always help the soldier and denyuzhkoy and give him a lift if necessary. And in 93m, during the turmoil, the paratroopers themselves, half-drunken brought me home, during the "Curfew. I will repeat myself for the third time - I do not know. Write in a personal who offended you so."
            1. Ashibokov57
              Ashibokov57 April 20 2013 18: 20 New
              +2
              He served in 1977-1979 in the town of Pereslavl-Zelessky, air defense, then there was the Moscow military district. For all two years of service, not a single fellow countryman was in the regiment (not a single one). True, for good handwriting, right from the quarantine, they took me to the headquarters, as a secretary. For all two years of service, I have never experienced "bullying", the guys were mainly from Moscow and Yaroslavl. There were very friendly relations with everyone, maybe the "wrong regiment" was caught?
            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 April 21 2013 20: 28 New
              +1
              The attitude is very dependent on how you look. When a wide-format uncle in uniform, with an expression on his face, asks a "simple Muscovite" about his attitude to the army as a whole and to him personally - as a rule, friendliness pours out of a Muscovite like a fountain! But if the format is modest and there is not enough width for the expression ... here options, alas, are possible ...
          2. papas-57
            papas-57 April 20 2013 20: 28 New
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            As for the thorns around Moscow, nothing has changed for the better. Even became more relevant. Added desire to strengthen the spike with minefields
          3. 120352
            120352 April 21 2013 06: 22 New
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            A five-digit number ...
        2. Maximus
          Maximus April 20 2013 17: 58 New
          +2
          My friend served in Lithuania in the 78th year.
          There were no demonstrations on May 1, and if there were some places, schoolchildren. On May 9, half of Latvians were sitting at home ... probably because of grief, mostly Russian-speakers celebrated the holiday.
          In the store, Russian conscripts did not always sell products, they had to send an Estonian colleague, Latvian shopkeepers saw their native Baltic in it, and sold him any goods.
          1. Zmey_2Garin
            Zmey_2Garin April 20 2013 20: 22 New
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            Man, decide! If your acquaintance served in Lithuania, then how could the PALS sitting in their homes ?! Here, generally speaking, Lithuanians live ... So where did he serve?
            PS: And in the 78th year, everyone here, Lithuanians and non-Lithuanians, regularly attended the demonstration. Trust me - I know about it not by hearsay! And a piece of bread was sold to everyone in the store. If you behave without rudeness and arrogance towards the "aborigines" ...
            1. smile
              smile April 21 2013 12: 20 New
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              Zmey_2Garin
              Regarding the demonstrations - I support them - they went, dear, dear, with a proper gleam in their eyes ... :))) and two flags for each house were hung out (at least in Klaipeda) ... and about the shops. .. well, maybe he served in Šiauliai .. or in Kaunas (well. you know what kind of local population are there) .. in principle, I can admit - conscripts are unrequited guys, they could very well get angry ... if the store is small. ..In any case, such cases were not so rare even at that time, especially if the seller understood that the buyer was a visitor ...
          2. Bosk
            Bosk April 21 2013 06: 13 New
            +1
            There was such a thing in Lithuania in stores.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa April 20 2013 17: 01 New
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        Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
        Most Latvians do not want to defend their beloved Motherland

        They want something, but from afar, from the places where they left to work, from Britain there, Germany. It’s different in 1941! “It should be noted that the Latvian army of that time was perhaps the most efficient part of the“ Baltic Entente. ”The Ulmanis government did not spare funds for its armed forces. So, in 1936, aircraft for the Air Force were ordered in Great Britain, in 1939 in Sweden anti-aircraft guns. In Valga, in early December 1934, the Estonian and Latvian command held joint command and staff exercises at which plans of military operations against the USSR were developed. Similar field exercises took place in May-June 1938. In addition to a mobile, well-armed army, there were a number of national paramilitary organizations in the republic. Young people were involved in the analogue of the Hitler Youth. "Mazpulku." The adult part of the population, including women, united in the organization Aizsargi ("Guards"). Existing since 1919, this militarized structure took an active part in the coup in May 1934, as a result of which its former leader Karl Ulmanis became the head of state.
        The organization was built on the territorial principle, covering all the counties of Latvia, and by 1940 totaled in their ranks up to 40 thousand people (21 regiments). Members of the organization united in platoons, companies, battalions and regiments. The Aizsargi was led by the headquarters, headed by the former Minister of Public Affairs of Latvia Alfred Berzins. Each member of the organization had a rifle, pistol and ammunition stock. .From the very first minutes of the outbreak of hostilities, the Latvian “fifth column” entered into battle. On June 23.24, 1941, nationalists began firing machine guns and rifles at government agencies and the headquarters of the Baltic Military District, military barracks and passing Red Army units. On the night of June 24, a group of Latvians broke into the house of the workers of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Latvia in order to destroy them. The forces were dispersed by the forces of the 5th motorized rifle regiment of the NKVD, OKPP "Riga" and the reserve of the commandant of the city. During the battle, 120 people were killed, 457 captured.
        But that was only the beginning. With the advance of German troops deeper into the Baltic territory, rebels intensified. "In Riga, hostile elements launched active actions: they panicked the rear of the army, demoralized the work of headquarters, government and Soviet institutions, impeded the evacuation of valuables and committed sabotage. shelling of streets, buildings of the headquarters of the NWF, the Central Committee of the LKP (b), SNK, telegraph, train station and NKVD. This situation led to the most brutal struggle against the counter-revolutionary element in the city. Latvian emigrants were in the front ranks of the German troops entering Latvia. Altogether 1 thousand people from among Latvian nationalists entered the Hitlerite punitive bodies before September 1943, 36. The construction of "New Europe" began immediately, starting with the extermination of Jews and Communists. By the summer of 1944, the legion included 2 divisions: the 15th and 19th. On June 30, 1944, the personnel of the 15th division included 521 officers, 2322 non-commissioned officers, and 15 lower ranks. only 550 18 people. http://www.istorya.ru/book/soldaty/412.php This is much more than now. Where has the proud spirit of the Baltic conquerors gone? Or do they still remember and tell their grandchildren how they then raked to the fullest? We need to popularize this topic, then there will be no armed forces at all. request
        1. DPN
          DPN April 20 2013 21: 18 New
          +6
          At the expense of the Baltic states, then in vain we stipulate the Stalin NKVD. Not all forest brothers
          therefore, they overtook claims to Russia above the roof.
          By the way, Russians were vacationing from Tallinn, Russian was banned there, but they said they wouldn’t take work in one decent company without the Russian language. Europe doesn’t need it, so go to Russia as a mongrel.
          1. Nu daaaa ...
            Nu daaaa ... April 21 2013 02: 16 New
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            No need to believe any idiots, no one has banned the Russian language. There ze otlitsa "... not one decent company will not take to work ...". Rather, ignorance of the state language (that is, Estonian, since many Russian-speaking, I live in Estonia all my life, will not learn the language as an obstacle) and the English language will be an obstacle.
            1. Samuray
              Samuray April 21 2013 05: 48 New
              -7
              I agree with you! Been in the republics of the former union and was surprised! Russian born there did not bother learning the language of the country of residence! I asked one guy why he doesn’t learn the language and he indignantly answered that he didn’t need this primitive barbaric language, he would speak English better. As a result, I did not learn either English or any other language
              1. Rebus
                Rebus April 21 2013 11: 19 New
                +5
                Quote: Samuray
                Russian born there did not bother learning the language of the country of residence! I asked one guy why he doesn’t learn the language and he indignantly answered that he didn’t need this primitive barbaric language, he would speak English better.

                Have you learned the Mongolian language? And then how all the masters bazaar like that ... You live in Mongolia must know the Mongolian language !!!
                1. Samuray
                  Samuray April 21 2013 14: 00 New
                  -2
                  Firstly, I was not born there, and secondly, working in other countries, I learn languages! at the beginning the necessary minimum! and then, depending on employment, I try to learn a few words a day! Want to speak Mongolian?
                  1. Rebus
                    Rebus April 21 2013 14: 30 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Samuray
                    Want to speak Mongolian?

                    And let's talk in Swahili:
                    KujeBaltic asili Kirusi ardhi, na miji yote kujeBaltic asili Kirusi ardhi, na miji yote kujengwa na Wajerumani ... Latvians, Lithuanians na Estonians alionekana huko kutoka mahali pa!
                    1. Samuray
                      Samuray April 21 2013 14: 35 New
                      +2
                      Unfortunately I do not speak Swahili! but we can speak Russian too winked I think I have not mastered it badly
                    2. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker April 21 2013 16: 29 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Rebus
                      And let's talk in Swahili:

                      "... Is it okay that I'm sitting with my back to you? ..." laughing
              2. smile
                smile April 21 2013 12: 43 New
                +2
                Samuray
                Oh, you’ve been to some republics ... even a couple of times ... even one guy was asked something ... well, you are special! You at all. why is it their blurted out now. to explain to us. that Russians are lazy, unable to master the three languages ​​terribly necessary for life in our global world. to nobody. except media not needed? .. By the way. Being in the republics, I hope they didn’t forget to learn local languages ​​at the same time, huh?
                1. Samuray
                  Samuray April 21 2013 14: 05 New
                  -4
                  Well, I asked one of them, but I came across ignorance of the local many times! I didn’t say that Russians are lazy and simply don’t want to teach at all! at the Dubai airport, when I stood in line for a visa, I was an eyewitness when a Russian very similar to the character of "New Russians" with a pood gold chain around his neck and his young wife tried to explain himself to an Arab customs officer! By the way, unsuccessfully, both sides did not understand each other! In the end, his wife said sadly - Eh Fedya! Told You Learn English! What he gave - Let them learn Russian laughing And by the way, being in countries, I do not forget to learn languages! let's talk?
                  1. Rebus
                    Rebus April 21 2013 14: 35 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Samuray
                    What he gave out - Let them learn Russian

                    It’s quite logical ... I support this person.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker April 21 2013 16: 31 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Rebus
                      It’s quite logical ... I support this person.

                      But the Anglo-Saxons also say the same!
                      But they are civilized!
                  2. smile
                    smile April 21 2013 15: 34 New
                    +2
                    Samuray
                    Listen, I have repeatedly met in the Kaliningrad region Germans trying to find out from passers-by (for example, where does the bus to Gdansk, which they persistently call Danzig or whatever) leave, who do not speak any languages ​​other than native ... English about the same. how am I Chinese ... and what, what conclusions are needed? Moreover. Considering that their appearance is by no means cattle, like the new Russian you mentioned, then what are their analogues then? I hope so. you already managed to record the Germans in an even lower category. what are we?
                    1. Samuray
                      Samuray April 21 2013 15: 45 New
                      -2
                      Respected! Read my post more closely once more! I meant the Slavs who grew up and lived most of their lives in the former republics and were not able to learn the language! And then the Germans in Kaliningrad fellow I do not see the logic
                      1. smile
                        smile April 21 2013 21: 15 New
                        +1
                        Samuray

                        So they also did not learn the language .... unlike the Russians -... I, half Slavic .... grew up, lived, learned the Lithuanian that no one needs, I know it no worse than Lithuanians (the grammar does not know who is odd will) in something better .... but, believe me, he didn’t come in handy for me ... at all ... by the way. Lithuanians too ...
                        And I gave examples of Germans in the region for one reason, on the one hand. you are suffering here about our illiterate population ... everyone who had the Baltic states was thinking about an erection, and not about the significance of these insignificant territories .... didn’t bother with some, useless languages ​​.... and there are complaints to the Germans. .not able to learn the language of their slaves ...... and do not keep in mind the Slavs .....- Germans are even more specific ... !!!!
            2. smile
              smile April 21 2013 12: 35 New
              +2
              Nu daaaa.
              Hello. I have not read you for ages! :)))
              Well, don’t you know what the exam for the first category is (without which employment is really closed for good positions requiring higher education) ... in Lithuania, the exam lasts several hours without a break ... I was fluent in Lithuanian while still at school, my brother speaks Russian in general with Lithuanian-English intonations (horror), and so, I KNOW that a rare Lithuanian could pass an exam in his native language in the first category, I don’t think it’s different with you. ... so please do not dissemble ... you have discrimination against Russians, unfortunately, and this is a consistent policy of your states. from which they do not retreat one iota .... By the way, you say I didn’t forbid .... but don’t tell me. what penalty (and to whom) does the language inspection impose by catching a seller in a store who speaks Russian, eh? :)))) Well, as you answer, you can continue to discuss how Russians feel at ease with you .....
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 21 2013 16: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Kaa
          At 30 June 1944, the personnel of the 15 division included 521 officers, 2322 non-commissioned officers, 15 550 lower ranks. total 18 412 people

          The Soviet government was, by today's standards, very loyal - if you compare "offhand" only the list "composition" with the number of people evicted "for the Urals", you can already add "it was not enough ...".
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 21 2013 16: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            "it was not enough ..."

            "Latvian special settlers settled in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Amur, Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk and Tomsk Regions. According to the information on the number of special settlers registered, As of July 1, 1950, the number of Latvians deported from the Baltic states was 39 "http://www.skatarina.ru/library/lutvros/lutvros/lr32.htm А ведь это - с семьями, да еще те, что до войны, и те, что "айсзаргам" помогали после,при этом,что "Две страны Балтии – Литва и Латвия – поставили мрачный рекорд во время второй мировой войны. В этих странах с 1941 по 1945 год было убито около 9/10 евреев, проживавших в них перед войной: in Latvia more than 85%, and in Lithuania 95%. Baltic indigenous Jewry was virtually destroyed. Http://www.lechaim.ru/ARHIV/186/romanovskiy.htm
            Massacres began with a pogrom in Riga on July 4, 1941, when collaborators destroyed 20 synagogues and killed about 2 thousand Jews. Until July 11, collaborators from the so-called "self-guard" and those who joined them killed about 7 thousand Jews.Total in Latvia (according to the Extraordinary Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes) the number of victims in the surveyed burial places is estimated at 300 thousand people. Http://www.ejwiki.org/wiki/ SO THAT HUMAN AND HUMAN BEEN COMRADE STALIN, OH HOW SO SOFT !
      3. Bosk
        Bosk April 21 2013 06: 07 New
        +4
        There is such an incidental situation, because with the adoption of independence ... propaganda leans on INDEPENDENCE, while somehow skipping the concept of MOTHERLAND, a generation has grown up that seems to be independent but rootless ...
      4. 120352
        120352 April 21 2013 06: 23 New
        +1
        They love very much, they are afraid of damage ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 18: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Tatarus
      Oh, the Baltic states are floundering in the NATO-European cesspool

      I agree and therefore to the question "Who in the Baltics pulls the blanket over themselves?" - there is only one answer, USA.
      1. vadson
        vadson April 20 2013 19: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Tatarus
        Oh, the Baltic states are floundering in the NATO-European cesspool

        I agree and therefore to the question "Who in the Baltics pulls the blanket over themselves?" - there is only one answer, USA.

        there is not a blanket, no, there the United States of America through their politicians as a rubber product uses. but the people can’t do anything, or do not want to.
        one thing is interesting to me, because if a person in politics has climbed to the peak of power, then he is not. must understand everything. do not their rulers understand that the West is destroying the entire Baltic States through the economy. they will die out soon. WHY politicians continue to aggravate the situation of their country. after all, they should not understand that they will never be their own for the west, a stupid rag for dirty feet
        1. smile
          smile April 21 2013 12: 47 New
          +1
          vadson
          Yes, politicians do not give a damn about their countries and their people - judging by their actions over the past twenty years - they are trying in every possible way to spoil us even to the detriment of their own countries ... they just understand that if they cease to perform this function, the good will of their master will dry up. ..and the Arctic fox will come to them, in view of the fact that they are begging for help with us - they crap so much, and then with outstretched hands .... although, sooner or later they will come to this anyway .... :))))
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 21 2013 20: 42 New
          +1
          So they are "independent states"! With armies for fifteen minutes of the right battle. There are politicians there (there is dirt everywhere), but the strength in them is a bunch of mosquitoes! First of all, they understand a simple thing. They fell out with Russia for a long time, maybe forever. In any case, even if they begin to demonstrate over-friendliness and kick up all four little paws, Russia will check them for a long time. But from the SGA (and from the European Union too), with any attempt of these "independent" to do at least something for the country and not in the will of the owners, the liquidators will arrive in a couple of days.
          Why be shy? There is no one to intercede for them; they have no powers of their own. It’s all sorts of Karimov’s on Russia that have the audacity to raise their tail ... for the greyhound from the side of dwarf lapdogs the West instantly punishes, clearly and unequivocally. So let the Latvians and Estonians die out today. Their rulers, not without reason, expect to die later, most importantly, with due dexterity and captivating sincerity, lick the necessary ephedron.
    4. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 20 2013 20: 45 New
      0
      This is their own business, as they wish, even if they live like that. I personally drum, surrendered to me that Baltic. I'm more interested in what's going on at home.
    5. vilenich
      vilenich April 21 2013 07: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      Oh, the Baltic states are floundering in the NATO-European cesspool

      Let them play in independence while they are allowed and their God save them from the fate of being in the way of someone's real army ...
    6. Shawnee
      Shawnee April 21 2013 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Tatarus
      The old basin would be stronger - our comb would be longer

      Yes, Baltic resources are not enough ...
  2. UFO
    UFO April 20 2013 08: 17 New
    17
    I only read the title of the article - it’s already ridiculously cool! laughing "Uuu they have something else, and do they have one? One and three?" wassat And in the sprats of BAAM, can’t the bull be put out? !!! The neighbors are pancake. negative
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov April 20 2013 19: 12 New
      +6
      Political prostitution has always been disgusting in me. I am also very ashamed that our people suffer a government that is not able to protect the Russian population living in these prostitution countries.
      1. vadson
        vadson April 20 2013 19: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        Political prostitution has always been disgusting in me. I am also very ashamed that our people suffer a government that is not able to protect the Russian population living in these prostitution countries.

        what do you not know? The EU is a model of democracy .... (sarcasm)
    2. Prokop
      Prokop April 20 2013 23: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: UFO
      Uuu they still have an ooddeyaloo? One and three? "

      A little more, very little time, and instead of a blanket they will drag a doormat. Of course this is not noble, but damn it, I gloat!
  3. avt
    avt April 20 2013 15: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: UFO
    Just read the title of the article - it's already ridiculous! laughing "Uuu they have something else and are they all? One and three?"

    good laughing "Odiallo ran away, fledgling ran away ..." laughing
  4. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker April 20 2013 15: 43 New
    +8
    Estonia, as an outpost to "barbarian Russia" was the original military and financial "reshpect" from the same Sweden.
    And since all three countries (?) Were originally planned only as a springboard for the deployment of NATO forces, no one will supply, let alone give, even decommissioned weapons.
    If anything they send - the next presidents in the parcels ...
    laughing
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 20 2013 18: 39 New
      +4
      In fact, Estonia is the brainchild of Sweden. The Swedes, having captured the Baltic states in the 16th century, resettled part of their Chukhons there, instead of the Estonians and Livs exterminated by the German crusaders, the former Slavs, as well as the Prussians exterminated by the Germans.
  5. Maximus
    Maximus April 20 2013 15: 45 New
    24
    In Latvia, the exercises were held: the Naval Raft and the Air Kite. laughing
  6. mnbv199
    mnbv199 April 20 2013 15: 45 New
    14
    Hello!
    The site
    http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/business/glava-evr-cargo-port-ust-luga-nanes-silnyj-ud
    ar-po-tranzitu-estonii.d? id = 65990798 & com = 1
    There is an article "Head of EVR Cargo: Ust-Luga port dealt a strong blow to Estonian transit"
    There, people express their opinions, and very interesting opinions, I think you all will like it.
    A few excerpts:
    22
    17.04.2013/20/18 XNUMX:XNUMX calm down Benya ... they planned to build this port even under A.Sobchak ..... and it makes no difference, he said that Ansip didn’t say that the port will develop and transit through Estonia will wither. Estonia is in the EU, and in the yard is wild capitalism, devour your neighbor, or the far one will come near and devour you. under socialism, the Soviet government could build a port in Tallinn, import feed from the Union, so that livestock breeding would develop in Estonia, cotton from Uzbekistan, so that the textile industry worked in Estonia. But capitalists in the EU and the USA will never even think of doing something at a loss to themselves.
    gnome 17.04.2013/20/31 XNUMX:XNUMX
    "We don't need industry" "We don't need transit" "We don't need medicine"
    “We don’t need education” “We don’t need agriculture”, etc.
    And what else did you expect from people who for 1000 years lived on their farms under the rule of the owners, now they have entrusted them to manage and what happened, but how it was so soon on farms and will be everywhere. I thought that I would never leave Estonia, now I think it would be time to collect my things, because apart from contempt I no longer feel anything for this "homeland".
    Gopher and Ferret 17.04.2013/19/05 XNUMX:XNUMX
    Wow ... how the carousel spun! We almost flew out of the basket.

    And I believe that neither Ansip, nor the Bronze soldier has anything to do with it.
    All the same, it seems to me that quite adequate people live on the Russian side, who fully realize the inadequacy of the local piz .. brothers .. and therefore they wrap up transit, they are building a port ... that's right. After all, if a neighbor is a dolot borer, he is not killed, they just stop talking to him. :))))

    Be healthy!
    1. vadson
      vadson April 20 2013 19: 41 New
      +3
      Wow ... how the carousel spun! We almost flew out of the basket.

      a little to tears of laughter did not break ....
    2. Suhov
      Suhov April 20 2013 23: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: mnbv199
      After all, if the neighbor is a bump maker

      Mortician, what kind of animal? Reptile?
  7. BARKAS
    BARKAS April 20 2013 15: 47 New
    15
    and "in terms of security, Latvia is an empty space," says Kaarel Kaas, an expert at the International Center for Defense Studies.

    But something they still have wassat
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 20 2013 16: 09 New
      +6
      And I like a modern cart or a war chariot. A terrible weapon in a city battle, laughing
      1. Suhov
        Suhov April 20 2013 23: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Maximus
        A terrible weapon in a city battle,

        If it’s scary, the first takes the second from head to toe ....
        laughing
    2. Garrin
      Garrin April 20 2013 16: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: BARKAS
      But something they still have wassat

      There is. A peculiar sense of humor.
      1. vadson
        vadson April 20 2013 19: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Garrin
        Quote: BARKAS
        But something they still have wassat

        There is. A peculiar sense of humor.

        In the sense of meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea like a giraffe. the joke with the union in the early nineties ended and they still laugh
    3. avt
      avt April 20 2013 17: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: BARKAS
      But something they still have

      In vain you laugh. Here’s a mine protection for the bike, a kit of ceramic armor. laughing MRAP sucks! Only the well-armored bicycles are the future of armored vehicles. The stronghold no longer steers, I don’t mention Tagil after the Stronghold at all. laughing Not - really super for their contingent in Afghanistan. good laughing laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 20 2013 17: 45 New
        +3
        That way, they will overshoot the "Armata", your scooters .. you need to urgently look for opposition, a tin can with rusty nails, I think it will do laughing
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 20 2013 17: 50 New
          +5
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          That way, they will overshoot the "Armata", your scooters .. urgently need to look for opposition, a tin can with rusty nails, I think it will do laughing

          Well, you don’t understand again. If the bullet starts, then you don’t need to pedal, the hitch is stiff. So eat ... be easier. laughing
      2. Maximus
        Maximus April 20 2013 18: 00 New
        +2
        Yes, just like I didn’t notice right away, the first rudiments of the Latvian MRI are pictured. fool
    4. Orik
      Orik April 20 2013 17: 49 New
      +1
      "Cool guys. laughing
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 20 2013 15: 50 New
    +2
    Who in the Baltics pulls a blanket over themselves? [/ Quote]
    being bullied? who have citizenship syshya and geyropov-im people-ensuring their own ambitions. catch-nata in intercessors, do not catch-hero. in schools, the pythacorean slippers are also known as their politicians
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 20 2013 17: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      in schools, the pythacorean slippers are also known as their politicians

      Speaking of the birds! They’re not out of the ordinary to have the president of a citizen (ku) of a western country. They rule. Or they rule /? Hello, Andrew!)
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 April 20 2013 18: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Hi Andrew!)
        Reply Quote Report Abuse

        Hi, Lyokh. have not encountered
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt April 20 2013 20: 13 New
          +1
          Quite a long time ago I didn’t rub the sides, I recently deciphered your nickname from comments .... drinks Keep it up! Happiness on the course)
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 April 20 2013 20: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Keep it up! Happiness on the course)
            Reply Quote Report Abuse

            thanks. hi Samara
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt April 20 2013 20: 27 New
              +1
              Thank you, you are the same! soldier)
      2. smile
        smile April 21 2013 12: 55 New
        +1
        Thunderbolt
        Half of the Lithuanian presidents are U.S. citizens who were sent to rule the natives in their homeland, which they never visited ... some spoke with such pronouncement that they would not only pass the state exam in language, they would go to school in elementary school. ..and nothing, proud of their independence ....
    2. Rebus
      Rebus April 20 2013 18: 02 New
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      Who in the Baltics pulls the blanket over himself?
      being bullied? who have citizenship syshya and geyropov-im people-ensuring their own ambitions. catch-nata in intercessors, do not catch-hero. in schools, the pythacorean slippers are also known as their politicians

      No, this is a question of a philosophical and moral aspect, if someone pulls a blanket over themselves, then they sleep together. In general, perverts, the three of them sleep ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 20 2013 18: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Rebus
        In general, perverts, the three of them sleep ...
        Do you think the Swedish Fukushima influences them in such a way? It may well be that the water spreads well on water
  9. krasin
    krasin April 20 2013 15: 56 New
    +5
    The Latvian Defense Forces are completely unprepared to fight. They can neither defend their country, nor cooperate internationally. Estonia's southern border is defenseless, and "in terms of security, Latvia is an empty space," says Kaarel Kaas, an expert at the International Center for Defense Studies. In his opinion, "in case of war, the Latvian army will be able to guard sacks of flour and bridges somewhere in the rear, but it is not suitable for military operations."

    Okay, we "akkupants" laugh at their body movements. The neighbors are laughing at you. soldier you will be pulled by neighbors !!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 20 2013 17: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: krasin
      . Behave decently and neighbors will be pulled to you !!
      Vladimir, are you hinting at the Pskov division? laughing
      1. krasin
        krasin April 20 2013 18: 42 New
        +2
        Humor understood! hi
  10. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 20 2013 15: 58 New
    +3
    As in the good old humorous story: "Do not wait for air support - the pilot is on sick leave, support from the sea too - the boat is leaking and the oar is broken."
  11. Larus
    Larus April 20 2013 15: 59 New
    +6
    These assholes are generally not adapted for an open battlefield. They would only "fight" with old people, women and children, that is. with those who cannot fight back; they are heroes.
  12. dmitrich
    dmitrich April 20 2013 16: 29 New
    +3
    It is a sin to laugh at the sick.
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 20 2013 18: 02 New
      0
      This is called sick on their own!
      1. mda
        mda April 20 2013 20: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Maximus
        This is called sick on their own!

        Very rarely there are almost all of them in the Baltic
    2. Suhov
      Suhov April 20 2013 23: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry
      It is a sin to laugh at the sick.

      They won't "catch up" anyway ...
  13. 120352
    120352 April 20 2013 16: 29 New
    0
    Terrible enemy! Almost a division! How to trample, but we will not notice ...
    And here, due to sloppiness, there are no minefields along the border, by chance, so as not to wake up in vain if they trample at night? If not, then you need to put three or four mines. Kiloton. If possible, directed action. So that it would crave not anyhow as in our direction, but in the direction of their three farms ... So we will win!
  14. smile
    smile April 20 2013 16: 30 New
    12
    By the way. it has not yet been mentioned that the Baltic countries unite nothing but Russophobia. The same Lithuania and Latvia are constantly barking among themselves due to the fact that the Lithuanians produce microscopic oil production in the Baltic Sea-Latvians are terribly outraged by this. that the field is located at the border, but they themselves cannot organize development ... serious pressures are boiling in the national press about this .. :))))) They are constantly trying to gnaw those crumbs from each other. that they are being transferred from Europe and the lordly table of the USA .. like cats in a garbage can fight for quotas allocated by the European Union (he also killed their agriculture, fishing fleet, allowing the population to go on a guesthouse in exchange), they climb out of their skin to like the Americans - all of a sudden a little green will drop ..
    Regarding Šiauliai - when the Americans arrived there, the local young population tried to fraternize with the American military personnel (and Šiauliai, like Kaunas, has always been a reserve of nationalism) ... in the end it turned out. that the Americans treat them no better than some natives of the Mumbo-jumbo tribe ... the result is several serious fights that the military police of both sides had to open and the burning hatred of local gopniks (equal to the affection of local prostitutes) for their masters. ..the local press was crazy about it ... the leitmotif - well, how so, we are with them wholeheartedly, and they are in the entourage - with a clean NATO boot? :))))
    Conflicts between Poles and Lithuanians are generally a separate song ... Poles really don’t like that Lithuanians treat the Polish minority almost as much as Russians (in the Vilnius region there are about 200 Poles. And Lithuanians don’t like that the Poles will never calm down. Believing that Vilna is their city. And Lithuania itself is Polish lands lost by misunderstanding ... conflicts are also serious .. periodically even the Foreign Ministries of both countries give explanations and exhortations ....
    In general, there is no monolith in sight ... for example, a temporary association, the only fastening factor of which is only Russophobia ...
    1. 120352
      120352 April 21 2013 06: 10 New
      +2
      No, Americans love Mumbo-Yumbo more! Those are even in Africa (presumably), and these "strengthen the eurozone."
      And if there is nothing of our own, except for oil for experiments in school laboratories, then there is no way to unite except through Russophobia. There is an idea to send them on some national holiday the fable of Ivan Andreevich Krylov (the one who lived on Vasilievsky) "The Elephant and the Pug." After Čiurlionis, no one can write anything for them, but here science will be ...
  15. Dr. Manoff
    Dr. Manoff April 20 2013 16: 32 New
    +9
    They think that they are players in the pan-European arena, but in fact they are a NATO rug for wiping their feet. laughing
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 20 2013 17: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Manoff
      They think that they are players in the pan-European arena, but in fact they are a NATO rug for wiping their feet.

      That's what happens to a country that ceases to live with its brain! Implement Dulles Plan, His Mother angry
  16. Fregate
    Fregate April 20 2013 16: 52 New
    +3
    They also participate in missions in Afghanistan. I wonder when their military went there and whether they already got there. laughing.
  17. shinobi
    shinobi April 20 2013 16: 53 New
    0
    If you don’t particularly go into details to conduct a brief psychoanalysis of the statements of the politicians of the Baltic states, well, according to the principle, who says something hurts and says that they’re directly hungry for the northern neighbor to force them back into the empire. I don’t want to insult their ordinary citizens at all then they’ll just fight for their homeland. It will turn out like the French did in World War II. The army was still fighting, and politicians were already kissing the boots of the Nazis.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov April 20 2013 23: 47 New
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      The army was still fighting, and politicians were kissing their boots the Nazis.

      Don't you think that example is not very?
      what
  18. Anton Russian
    Anton Russian April 20 2013 17: 02 New
    +5
    Who is pulling a blanket in the Baltics? USA obviously.
  19. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 20 2013 17: 25 New
    +1
    I would like to hear the opinion of the Balts themselves, are there any more? Every time I hear such bullshit and ask myself one question: are you ashamed of your insanity? Where did the Baltic brothers go, have the whole brain been wasted (in the void) on democratic values ​​very sorry !!!!
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 20 2013 18: 14 New
      +2
      About 70 years ago, the Baltic countries were average agrarian countries. The Baltic people never stood out in anything, except how to "lie under someone" successfully. Therefore, even now they have the mentality of "forever offended by all farmers" who do not know how to fight, produce high-quality goods, but only live forever with an outstretched hand, at first the Union invested in them, and now they expect from the European Union, but there are other plans at their expense. ....
      1. Rebus
        Rebus April 20 2013 18: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Maximus
        About 70 years ago, the Baltic countries were average agrarian countries. The Baltic people never stood out in any way, except for how to successfully "lie under someone."

        Chukhons, they are in Africa Chukhons ....
      2. smile
        smile April 20 2013 20: 12 New
        +3
        Maximus
        And why are you flattering them7 :))) What are average? It was the backwater of Europe, together with the Finns, and, with the exception of Lithuania, which had never had its own statehood ... I forgot, and to freshen up the memory of the day - either the Latvians or the Estonians created the writing of the aliens in the second half of the 19th century - for fifteen to twenty years later than the Chukchi! All that they had at the time when the Entente created them to weaken Russia was built either by Russians or Germans ... in large cities, the number of titular nations was usually less than 15-20 percent, the whole elite were either Ostseey Germans. or the Barland barons, also Germans, whom the titular centuries have been accustomed to obey (here are the reasons for the fascization of their society when Hitler came to power) .... therefore they completely died out by the year 40, because they simply were not able to dispose of those who had been freed up for free Russia's inheritance ... the same thing, despite the serious training of personnel under Soviet power, happened after the collapse of the Union ...
        I recommend books on this topic:
        Shirokorad "Baltic land mine of Peter the Great"
        Shirokorad "The Great Intermission"
  20. washi
    washi April 20 2013 17: 55 New
    +2
    Sorry, but I cannot accept artificially created entities as sovereign states. Peter bought the Baltic states, stupid. The Baltic barons from the time of Ivan 1 owed taxes. The cities of Revel, etc. were Slavic. East Prussia swore allegiance to the Russian emperor. Berlin is a Slavic city.
    In Germany, local Slavs still live. Given the immigrants - if the GDP at their election offers a candidacy - the Germans will vote and join the CU
    1. mda
      mda April 20 2013 20: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      Peter 1, dumb

      Peter 1 is not stupid, he just did not know that his ancestors would be so stupid
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 21 2013 07: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: mda-a
        Peter 1 is not stupid, he just did not know that his ancestors would be so stupid

        Maybe the descendants?
        1. mda
          mda April 21 2013 10: 08 New
          0
          Quote: vilenich
          Maybe the descendants?

          Sure, wrong
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 20 2013 18: 05 New
    +1
    I still see the formidable Latvian Legions, with the support of the formidable Lithuanian aviation, triumphantly repel the invasion of barbarian troops (hordes) from the east, and then, with the help of the unsinkable Estonian FLEET (if the boatman comes), they launch a counterattack and push the Russian troops (hordes) back to the border, and then after successful blitzkrieg storm the stronghold of the "Empire of Evil" and now the proud flags of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are proudly flying over the Kremlin. The main thing is that the assault does not fall on some Day of the Airborne Forces, otherwise you will have to shamefully plunge into 2-3 minibuses and shove tanks shamefully scrape back. lol
    1. smile
      smile April 20 2013 23: 55 New
      +2
      Standard oi
      But in Lithuania, judging by the cries of their press (which do not bother anyone), the most expensive formal officer uniform is damn not very familiar with the names of clothing styles, but it’s something like a tailcoat, a silk belt on a belly - wide, long, like sumoist’s cowards - it’s mortal, reeling in it is a whole art, in short, our form developers are biting their teeth with envy ... but this is the only country that, getting rid of bad acupanteous Kalash (received in exchange for the construction of a Selma residential complex for the withdrawing troops in Kaliningrad ) I managed to (buy data from the Lithuanian press, whose vicious blathering had no effect on anything) to buy several thousand M-15 rifles in the USA ... did you hear about them? And they were in the arsenal of the U.S. Army until M-2 for about 3-16 years, then, in view of their unsuitability, they were shrewdly shipped to warehouses ... and I really needed to happen, they came in handy, I SELLED Lithuanian popuars for money ... more Lithuania bought a ship from the Jews with rusty DShKs taken from the Arabs, shot by Galil and withdrawn from the Uzi weapons ... so that you should not underestimate the military power of this empire .... :)))))
      1. smile
        smile April 21 2013 02: 33 New
        +1
        Colleagues, I certainly understand that demanding a minus to identify yourself is bad manners ..... but I tell what I saw and heard ... if there was a requirement to specify, I would justify. all the more so that he stipulated in advance that it was taken from the Lithuanian press .... Cho did not like it? m-15? honestly, I didn’t go online about this ... their press was enough ... if you, an anonymous person, don’t have enough, let me tell you about how the Lithuanians are a third (okay, laughing, only 70 personnel (out of 3-4 hundred) The Navy was infected with dysentery by confusing the taps in the TFR transferred to them, supplying l / s with dubious (outboard) water ... yes our Moremans will forgive me for the terminology ... I can still tell you how since 96th a couple of years l / from the Lithuanian brigade of the spn trained 6 Chechen instructors .... the brigade is called "Gelezhiniai vilkai", iron wolves-tracing paper from the fascist organization of the late thirties ... your mother, 4 minutes walk from my house .... by the way, Lithuanians are sim they were terribly proud of the fact ... until the Chechen mafia (well, there are enough stumps for them) paraffinized the opinion of Lithuanians about the most tolerant nationality ... now they do not like Czechs ... at all ... And don't laugh ... in general, please, identify yourself ... state your claims ... give an opportunity to answer ... and we will happily chat on the topic of Lithuanian real oops ... :))))
  22. ng1941
    ng1941 April 20 2013 18: 37 New
    +6
    in vain you are so about them ... these are ideal punishers, they give them the opportunity to cut and hang them all, as in WWII. Just pre-provide them with security and voila ... the executioners are ready
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 20 2013 18: 45 New
      +4
      It is true that only in salaspils they can beat the hammered children’s heads with rifle butts and cut unarmed women.
      Voila ... and the camp executioner is already a national hero of Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania.
  23. lobik
    lobik April 20 2013 18: 53 New
    +2
    In vain you laugh at the enemy, even such a weak one. I know right now you’re naminizing, but I’ll tell you that history doesn’t teach us anything, or we don’t want to teach us. Have you already forgotten how the organized regiments of the Latvian riflemen entered Petrograd and supported the Bolsheviks? They kicked our grandfathers, we also thought they were cool . Everyone thinks that what happens will be like in the 2nd world. But I think it will be like in the first confusion and reeling.
    1. smile
      smile April 20 2013 20: 19 New
      +1
      lobik
      I will not pass you. but do not exaggerate, please, the contribution of the Latvian riflemen in preserving our state (because in the event of the victory of scattered groups biting each other, which the Entente supported in order to tear apart pieces of territory from the Republic of Ingushetia and which it is now customary to call the White Guard, Russia would not even be as a single state in such a truncated form) ... it’s just a curtsy of the Bolsheviks towards ours. as previously thought. fraternal republics ... just because it was previously not customary to talk about the monstrous crimes of the Baltic Nazis ....
      1. Bosk
        Bosk April 21 2013 06: 52 New
        +1
        But the man is right ... the Latvian divisions remained fighting to the end, and they switched to the Bolsheviks side because they ... let's say they took power. Well, how is it at the expense of the oath that they gave to the Russian state?
        1. smile
          smile April 21 2013 13: 19 New
          +1
          Bosk
          Latvian divisions ran on the battlefield in the same way. like everyone else - both white and red ... the only difference was that it was harder for them to desert due to the fact that it was not their own Latvia that was around, but someone else's Russia ... and in Latvia the returnees were shot, or they were tolerantly shoved into concentration camps ... I repeat, their exaggerated great deeds are a curtsey of our propaganda towards the fraternal republic ... and so they normally fought, but no more. The RI oath was canceled by the "smart" Provisional Government, which destroyed the country ... it also continued the practice of surplus appropriation, introduced councils, elected commanders to the army ... disbanded the entire police, local administration and zemstvo administration ... Prince George Lvov, on whose conscience there are three In the spring of 1917, he declared the last point on this matter: We will not appoint anyone. (new) will be elected locally. Such issues should not be decided from the center. but by the population itself. The future belongs to the people, who revealed their genius in these historical days ... but somewhere I was brought in the wrong place ... :))))
      2. avt
        avt April 21 2013 12: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: smile
        I will not pass you. but please do not exaggerate the contribution of Latvian shooters in preserving our state

        "History of Latvian Riflemen" [1915-1920] Publishing House "Knowledge" 1972 I highly recommend a minimum of ideology, a maximum of factual, statistical material tied to specific events of that time. It is quite possible to form an objective opinion about the role of the Latvian division [although in terms of the number and armament of a rather separate corps] during the civil war.
        1. smile
          smile April 21 2013 14: 03 New
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          avt
          Thank. I will definitely read it.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 20 2013 21: 12 New
      +4
      organized regiments of Latvian riflemen entered Petrograd and supported the Bolsheviks

      No regiments of any Latvian riflemen were included in any Petrograd and did not support any Bolsheviks, they did not participate in the revolution at all, they guarded the Sovnarkom in Smolny, and then the government in Moscow in the Kremlin.
      During the Civil War in Russia, the Latvian regiments supported the Bolsheviks and became one of the first military units at the base of the Red Army. They were the largest national military formation in the service in the Red Army. The total number is 80 thousand people, the average age is 23 years.
      Parts of the Latvian riflemen were distinguished by iron discipline and were used to suppress anti-Bolshevik uprisings in several cities of Yaroslavl, Murom, Rybinsk, Kaluga, Saratov, Novgorod and others. Many commanders of the Latvian riflemen, later after the disbandment of the units, were able to reach large leadership posts. So, the first head of the Gulag was the former Latvian shooter F. Eichmans (whom the liberals stubbornly write down as Jews). Latvian shooters also began to occupy significant positions in the Red Army (they are also credited with Jews because of non-Russian surnames).
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 21 2013 16: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Corsair5912
        During the Civil War in Russia, the Latvian regiments supported the Bolsheviks and became one of the first military units

        These "tough" guys should be equated with HEREORS, like the Chinese. Both salary stood in the first place, and it was both, "to the lamp" - whom to cut with bursts of "maxim".
  24. knn54
    knn54 April 20 2013 19: 00 New
    +4
    Latvia lent a tank from Estonia for one day.
    And tomorrow you can capture Latvia, it already does not have a tank ...
    PS BYL. Due to the lack of military aircraft in Estonia, after its entry into NATO, American F-16s were transferred. During a test flight over the country, the fighter, controlled by an experienced pilot, was never able to develop supersonic speed - when the supersonic barrier was overcome, Estonia was already over. An entry appeared in NATO documents: "... due to the specific features of the country, the F-16 fighter is not capable of developing its maximum speed over Estonia."
  25. Tatarus
    Tatarus April 20 2013 19: 16 New
    +1
    GOOD JOIN over the wretched. Sick laugh at the sick. THE LAW OF OUR SOUL. Although the hunt itself is neighing. laughing But I hold on, hold on, hold on ...

    Who am I kidding !!! RJACH FULL laughing Almost to pee.
  26. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 20 2013 19: 26 New
    0
    For such Lilliputian countries, in order to survive at all, you need to crawl into your hole and not climb out of there, be quieter than water and below the grass, and if some of the great countries says to jump, they should grow to what height, and not parades of geeks from the SS to conduct and bark at your great neighbor, dear citizens of the Baltic states, advice you from your non-citizen comrades-in-arms, your masters are far away, and Russia is close, and if something happens, I’m sure we will have time to hang your neo-fascists and especially grandfathers from the SS proudly marching through your squares on the lanterns and no NATO will help (and most likely it will just throw you because the fat, well-fed Yankees will NEVER trample on the other end of the world to fight for you) and that's when you are left alone with "bad" Russia.
  27. yur
    yur April 20 2013 19: 31 New
    0
    Quote: BARKAS
    and "in terms of security, Latvia is an empty space," says Kaarel Kaas, an expert at the International Center for Defense Studies.

    But something they still have wassat
  28. yur
    yur April 20 2013 19: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Maximus
    And I like a modern cart or a war chariot. A terrible weapon in a city battle, laughing
  29. yur
    yur April 20 2013 19: 37 New
    0
    Yeah, and during the urban battle, the asphalt will remain clean and washed with shampoo
  30. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 20 2013 19: 44 New
    +1
    There are "banana republics" and these are "sprat" ones. In 30-50 years, these national micro-states will not exist, they will simply be assimilated.
    1. mda
      mda April 20 2013 20: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      Through 30-50

      What are 30-50 years old? 10 maximum
  31. vadson
    vadson April 20 2013 19: 51 New
    +5
    laughed for a long time, then even clicked in the brain, the thought came :-) and already somehow it was no laughing matter
    the thought itself is consistent: but is it not the same in our situation in the Far East. Opa naked, and behind the grass carp army stands ....
    1. Htuek
      Htuek April 20 2013 20: 24 New
      +1
      You seem to have forgotten that any millionth army is held back by our non-friendly megaton response.
      1. vadson
        vadson April 20 2013 20: 37 New
        +1
        yes everything is clear, but from the realization that dv is not covered it does not become easier
      2. ken
        ken April 20 2013 20: 41 New
        0
        This problem will certainly be solved in the near future. Everything is developing, before the mp3 player was the size of a nightstand. And no one with this nuclear club can answer the question, what will happen next? After all, immediately China will cross the border, Turkey, Poland, and who else wants the body of the nation. If we are talking about subsoil, then it will not matter to anyone how many glass lakes will be in the European part of the country, and there is nothing at all beyond the Urals. Even minimizing the damage of the attacker makes such a development possible, especially if things like the coming to power in China of the military lobby (what is written in their law, the military take power in case of any threat) or come to the United States power is another party. These people, for them this bomb, an ordinary bomb, only powerful. And thirdly, over a period of more than twenty years, we must think that this is inevitable, and not that it is impossible. If you look in such a perspective, there will be nothing Soviet there, no crutches, these boats, with three hundred imperfections that are handed over, these missiles that either fly or don’t fly, if it goes on like this, then of course it’s easy to predict that it will not fly anything.
  32. Canep
    Canep April 20 2013 19: 58 New
    0
    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    Estonia has the most efficient army. Its armed forces have 5500 troops, and in the case of mobilization, thousands more can be increased by 30, which makes it possible to fully equip one infantry brigade, four separate battalions and four defensive areas.

    The author is not correct in the brigade, usually 4-6 battalions, plus 4 separate, total 10, plus 4 defensive areas of 4 battalions (probably) only 26 battalions. It turns out 35000 people, 26 battalions, 1346 people in the battalion, even the Chinese have less in the battalion.
  33. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 April 20 2013 20: 00 New
    +1
    [quote = Fregate] They also participate in missions in Afghanistan. So they are brawlers! laughing
    1. smile
      smile April 20 2013 20: 21 New
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      sandrmur76
      In-in, and then they will glorify the exploits of a platoon of Latvian shooters who helped the Americans infect democracy in Afghanistan ... :)))) Already without them, the Americans - nothing !!! :)))))
  34. Tatarus
    Tatarus April 20 2013 20: 01 New
    +4
    Here I once received a letter. They called me homophobic. Phobos means fear.
    What is it? Am I scared of fagots? Yes, I'm not afraid. I do not perceive people. DIFFERENCE!!!

    Sorry, brothers and sisters, it’s boiling:

    I was called the word Homophobia
    Then I completely lost my weight.
    That's interesting, I'm not afraid. What kind of fob am I?
    And why do they tell me what I endured?

    Who endured? What kind of roosters?
    Sorry, gays (in the sense of very races).
    I have not suffered. I did not notice Worms.
    Which Tchaikovsky? I'm sweeter than Nekrasov.

    Himself fucked up, once suddenly realizing.
    That the fascists of the Rainbow are sweeter to me.
    But at night, taking all the noodles off my mind,
    I understand - HOMELAND IS MORE IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!!
    Pavel Tatarus

    Well, I'm sorry for the emotions and AT ALL
    1. vilenich
      vilenich April 21 2013 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      They called me homophobic.

      And when they call me a homophobe, I correct: "I am not a homophobe, I am a homophobe."
  35. Canep
    Canep April 20 2013 20: 07 New
    +1
    Well, you need to write: "Let's take Latvia" - they didn't deserve it. Let them communicate with Euro-perverts, this is their way.
  36. Opera
    Opera April 20 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    Interesting information on how the tank was borrowed! Returned?
  37. kind
    kind April 20 2013 20: 49 New
    +1
    I feel sorry for their people. Not under those rulers fell. How much can you scare people with the Russian threat? Enough already, and then there will be no time to live.
    And one more thing: The butter that Latvia sells to us in Russia is natural and very tasty! So maybe we will take care of the economy, and we will not rake up the past in which we have no place? !! Need to build a future!
    1. smile
      smile April 20 2013 21: 46 New
      +2
      kind
      But Latvia and Lithuania itself are awash with spreads and other pseudo-products ... in Klaipeda, these substitutes for normal products appeared 3-4 years earlier. than in Kaliningrad. Mom came to the room and was all surprised. why do they have this rubbish, but we don’t ... But we wouldn’t rake the past. so former Baltic brothers remind everyone ... but about the Russian threat, their elite cannot calm down physically for one simple reason - Russophobia is the main and only axis and the only slogan of their national statehood - if you remove it - nothing will remain and nothing explain why they have destroyed all industry, agriculture is almost dead, destroyed once clean up the most powerful fishing fleet. why the population of Lithuania fell by a third, why 600 thousand people are forced to migrate around the world (only a few are arranged, like my younger brother) ... what are you going to build with them if they only put us to the wheels in every possible way (even to the detriment of their states), which generally can be built there. where does the cult of the SS man flourish?
      By the way, Klaipeda sausages, which are sold in Kaliningrad, are much cheaper here than ours ...
      Your good wishes about tedding the past are really correct ... well, you’ll convince them of this at first ... we still have little answer to their minor dirty tricks ... but if you would stop buying their products for six months, then they would, after a short cry, quickly cease to eat, otherwise die of starvation - the European Union itself is not going to feed them, and the Americans are able to count money ..... and we are all kind, even noble and unforgettable .... it's time to understand that our policy of proactive concessions can only lead to increased demands on their part ...
      1. kind
        kind April 20 2013 22: 10 New
        +1
        Do you think we might surprise them with our own quality products in their own market. or just invite them to visit for a glass of "tea". How else to explain to them that neither they, nor we are their enemies ???
        In my opinion, you just need to feel sorry for them, despite all the attacks of their opposition. Simple people will figure out who is right.
        Good can be done more than by confrontation.
        1. smile
          smile April 21 2013 00: 25 New
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          kind
          This is not the opposition, this is a consistent state policy ... they simply won’t let us into their market - they still have high-quality products, but they crushed the European Union a little by quotas, and if we let them go, the latter will die, and the market is microscopic for them. Pseudo-foods are popular because of the price - they are now economical, like the Germans ... about the people ... even though I have a bay on them, you can talk alone with a glass of tea quite normally ...... but stereotypes in the public mind about us, bad ones, rooted in them, like Essesses about Jews ... :))) people, by the way, are completely disoriented about life in Russia ... and even in the Kaliningrad region ... we, dictatorship ... :)))) In any case, a good attitude (without Colt), unfortunately, will not help, and we have already seen this .. here it is ...: ((((
    2. Bosk
      Bosk April 21 2013 06: 44 New
      +1
      People don’t need to feel sorry, if he gets out, rulers need to feel sorry, because if they get people ... then this people, as history shows, hangs them in trees very qualitatively ...
  38. 1goose3
    1goose3 April 20 2013 22: 33 New
    0
    Seriously, it will be necessary, in order to neutralize, to connect the DOSAAF nskii region of the same region.
  39. Vtel
    Vtel April 20 2013 22: 44 New
    +1
    I thought they just don’t like Russians, but they even bite among themselves, they don’t have Stalin on them - they would reassure everyone for a long time, otherwise they would have forgotten whose bread they ate.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk April 21 2013 06: 35 New
      0
      Yes, they don’t have hatred for Russians, so far it’s quite common to often say if there are three Latvians and one Russian (owning the Latvian language) in the company, then the bazaar gradually switches from Latvian to Russian by itself ... well, draw conclusions yourself is dislike ?
      1. smile
        smile April 21 2013 13: 39 New
        0
        Bosk
        You mentioned in your own replica - in the company ... this keyword .. and if not in the company ... I also visit companies with Lithuanians - so I don’t bite there either ... with those that bite and the company would not work ... and the rest ... a beautiful marquise, everyone as always - since childhood, children have been taught that you know who is responsible for all the troubles of their great countries, who knows ... this is strange to tell you. living. judging by the identification marks, in Latvia ... exactly where the largest percentage of Russian-speakers did not receive Russian citizenship ... excuse me, it reminds me very much of an episode from my life - my Lithuanian neighbor dragged me (lives a floor above my mother) to the company of Labas ... one of them seems to be - Tsybkevichus Vasilyaus .... I was stunned, I ask: Vasenka, and since when did Tsybko Vasily Egorovich become a Lithuanian? - it was my school teacher of physical education ..... now an ardent patriot of independent Lithuania ... Vassenka was shy and quickly but quietly faded .... are you not one of those? ... By the way, the company also switched to Russian - they just are normal well understand that they lost with the collapse of the Union and are ashamed of their nationalists ... but there are few of them ...
        1. Bosk
          Bosk April 21 2013 15: 32 New
          +3
          According to the passport, we are still ALIEN and do not aspire to citizenship; questions of friends of Latvians why I do not go to citizenship, I always answer that IT IS BETTER TO BE GOOD RUSSIAN THAN BAD BATTERY ... and many of them agree with me.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 21 2013 16: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Bosk
            BETTER TO BE GOOD RUSSIAN THAN BAD BALT ...

            My respect.
  40. Suhov
    Suhov April 21 2013 00: 25 New
    0
    2005: The Baltic states began the struggle against the Soviet occupation.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk April 21 2013 06: 30 New
      0
      You certainly will be surprised ... but the Balts began the struggle for independence only after receiving it ..., this is especially noticeable if you read the press of those times.
      1. smile
        smile April 21 2013 13: 48 New
        +2
        Bosk
        And who organized the action on hugging the sea, Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern? Here now retired Lithuanian politicians are very fond of telling their press how and where they were prepared by the crusaders, how they brought closer how they could this happy day .... by the way. but Elbon did not send miners to you in Latvia with helmets to knock, fraternize with Latvians and tell the Russians what undemocratic bastards we are and how we should repent to the titular for occupation? A whole train of these brainless parasites sent to us in Lithuania ... since then I hate miners ... :))))))
  41. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 April 21 2013 01: 07 New
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    Yes, what kind of combat readiness is there, I recently saw their parade, it’s still funny ...
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 21 2013 03: 24 New
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    All this small shobla in case of military operations will go to policemen and punishers. After all, it is clear that the Baltics for the United States is nothing more than a jump airfield. And by the way, in case of war we will be crushed by the whole world, and not just amers. So it would be nice to give gifts to everyone, to not offend anyone ... Now I’m reading another alternative about how the amers will fight us. Damn, it seems like the truth ...
  43. Bosk
    Bosk April 21 2013 06: 25 New
    +2
    The Baltic triunity turns out to be interesting ...., Lithuanians from the time of the Principality of Lithuania look down on everyone (although for some reason they forget that all the annals of those times they were in Russian and Polish), Estonians generally live like biryuks in life, but Latvians still in the recent past and about some and about other jokes composed ...
    1. smile
      smile April 21 2013 13: 50 New
      +2
      Bosk
      Here I agree to all 100 ... they are making jokes about each other now, and quite offensive, and secretly believe - all animals are equal, but some are more equal ... :))))
  44. family tree
    family tree April 21 2013 06: 41 New
    +2
    Hmm. "The bug is small, but it stinks," the saying is. And then there are three. And dichlorvos won't help what
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 21 2013 07: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: perepilka
      Hmm. "The bug is small, but it stinks," the saying is. And then there are three. And dichlorvos won't help

      Well, for those who are especially harmful, it’s even cooler than dichlorvos to find ... Simple people are sorry. But I think, in which case, you can selectively with a slipper with an optical sight ...
      1. family tree
        family tree April 21 2013 08: 02 New
        +3
        Yes, I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about these Ostseey, well, or the Baltic provinces. Ordinary people there, without dichlorvos, will soon either scatter or die out.
    2. smile
      smile April 21 2013 13: 51 New
      +1
      family tree
      It will help, it will help .. :))) The main thing is to try more insistently ... :)))
  45. lecturer
    lecturer April 21 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    I propose to declare for them an official holiday "triple brotherhood" drinks with the anthem of European pedos ... "Once a Swan Cancer Pike"
  46. and she
    and she April 21 2013 12: 40 New
    +1
    I recently saw a parade in one of the Baltic republics - I don’t remember, either in Latvia or in Lithuania. It's the same nightmare and horror in one bottle. I feel sorry for them.
  47. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 21 2013 14: 19 New
    +1
    The contradictions between the three Baltic republics are big, but so far they are hidden and do not talk about them (the main thing is territorial claims, well, etc., the resentment is full). They are united by not love for Russia, which the States and Euroleader countries passionately support.
  48. Kibl
    Kibl April 21 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    well, the Baltic armies made fun! yes it’s just clowns and all the riffraff! armies !!!
  49. Arct
    Arct April 21 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    Strange article. Is that to laugh at the wretched. Strange in what - the most combat-ready army among the Lithuanians, who for some reason ignored. But in fact, if hostilities take place tomorrow in the Baltic states, then Latvia and Estonia will be crushed at the speed with which the units are able to move forward. But in the end there will be a small bunch of frenzied zombie nationalists who will partisan until food is available. But the Lithuanians may be enough for a couple of days of resistance, or even a week. And they will have much more support from the population - the nuances of domestic and international politics.
    And about the dislike of Russia. I think everyone understands that the authorities in these countries are political prostitutes who will always lick the ass for someone who dances music ...
  50. Bosk
    Bosk April 21 2013 15: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: smile
    Latvia returning shot or shot tolerantly scattered in concentration camps ..

    Here I disagree with you, the returnees were not repressed in Latvia.