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Soviet veterans in Latvia were allowed to wear orders on Victory Day

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Latvian deputies made concessions and did not urgently consider a bill equating Soviet symbols with Nazi symbols. This means that the document will not be accepted until 9 in May, and veterans of the Great Patriotic War in Riga and other cities of the country will be able to wear orders.


Discussion of the issue caused heated debates in the local parliament. The moderate part of the deputies corps, taking into account the squall of criticism and early elections, suggested not to rush in with the adoption of the law and weigh everything. In their turn, the nationalists declared that there was nothing to expect, and by May 9, it was necessary to ban Soviet symbols, reports Latvijas Avize.

As a result, the first ones won the vote with a gap of just 5 votes. At the same time, both sides spoke of the need for "Latvian understanding stories“But if the nationalists harshly declared that the very celebration of 9 May insulted the feelings of citizens, since the Nazi occupation was replaced by the Soviet one, the moderates pointed out that the USSR still won the war, and the Soviet history is so complex that it cannot be unambiguously evaluated.

Meanwhile, the deputies have not decided what to do with the orders of veterans. Only the radicals from among the nationalists insisted that they should be equated with the Soviet and Nazi symbols, and therefore the police should force the elderly to take them off. However, a considerable part of the deputies considered that symbols should be considered flags and emblems of Nazi Germany, the USSR and the Latvian SSR.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 19 2013 12: 11 New
    51
    What the world has come to, the fascist bastard decides whether our veterans of the order can be worn or not ... request
    1. Gingerbread Man
      Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 15 New
      -20
      That is, the Latvians were not deported or occupied? Well then, let's let the heroes of the Wehrmacht here wear crosses, but what, cho, we are against double standards.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 12: 35 New
        11
        And I watch you get banned every day, and you regress every time?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 19 2013 12: 41 New
          14
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And I watch you get banned every day, and you regress every time?

          As in a joke:
          - Doctor, I am with you.
          - What do you have?
          - Everyone ignores me.
          - Next!
          In life, a person has no one to talk to. wink
          1. Bosk
            Bosk April 19 2013 13: 00 New
            14
            I want to note that this fascist scum wanted to ban, and adequately minded people in the government (which is interesting even there are such) gently blocked them. At the level of the people, the topic of fascist heroes is now practically not discussed (deportation yes), if you look closely, then this fascist propaganda mainly comes from above (probably there was such an indication).
            1. Quiet
              Quiet April 19 2013 19: 31 New
              +3
              theme of fascist heroes

              Also the theme of fascists and gays ??? I am glad that people are more decent than their "heroes" !!! good
              1. A. Yaga
                A. Yaga April 19 2013 23: 56 New
                +1
                Well, why if a schizophrenic or a pederast, then a deputy is necessary?
                As my grandmother said 45 years ago: Here are some blаconfused and take.
      2. JonnyT
        JonnyT April 19 2013 13: 33 New
        +3
        Ohhh, I read your posts and immediately I had suspicions that you were suffering from a mental health disorder! Most likely you experience sensations similar to an orgasm, attribution of "highly intellectual" material when you meet fierce resistance to your "crazy posts". My advice to you, spring is the time of exacerbations, consult your doctor for help!
    2. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak April 19 2013 12: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      What the world has come to, the fascist bastard decides whether our veterans of the order can be worn or not ...

      Our street will be a holiday, but on these proud peacocks spit, the earth, as they say, is round!
      1. SHILO
        SHILO April 19 2013 14: 52 New
        +4
        They did not urgently consider a bill equating Soviet symbols with Nazi ones. This means that until May 9 the document will not be accepted, and veterans of the Great Patriotic War in Riga and other cities of the country will be able to wear orders.

        Terrific - they gave life to shit, but it just did not forbid the order to be worn. Insanity grows stronger fool
    3. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g April 19 2013 13: 05 New
      +8
      something wanted to listen to the anthem of Russia ...

      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 April 19 2013 22: 24 New
        0
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        I wanted to listen to the Russian anthem ...

        Strongly done.
        "Get up a huge country!" - this is where the goosebumps really burn out and burns inside, I want to get in line with grandfathers ...
        And you understand the bitterness that they did not finish the Nazis ... and now the creatures mock them.
      2. Krapovy32
        Krapovy32 April 19 2013 22: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        something wanted to listen to the anthem of Russia ...




        And under the anthem of the USSR, these old men defended our future, we are obliged to protect their memory. We are not Ivanes who do not remember kinship ... These old people are already few, they are the pride of the nation and its ELITE. And not those speculators, fraudsters, thieves and crooks who call themselves the elite.
    4. Alexander
      Alexander April 19 2013 13: 06 New
      +2
      Paul done. All that remained was to oblige the Nazis to carry their clutches.
    5. Whitehorse
      Whitehorse April 19 2013 13: 47 New
      -18
      Quote: Vladimirets
      fascist scum

      Sovereign a democratic state.
      Quote: Vladimirets
      to our veterans of the order to wear

      Which yours? The Soviet Union fell apart. God knows when. Our veterans are ROA veterans.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER April 19 2013 14: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Whitehorse
        Our veterans are ROA veterans.

        You still remember the ROA, UBL..DOK, so you are from Vlasovites, against your people, against your Motherland .. I know that they were particularly cruel, even the Germans were surprised at your hatred of their own people! How the earth wears such! May the Almighty forgive me, but I would not hesitate to send such fascist scum to the other world ..
        1. Whitehorse
          Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 10 New
          -7
          Quote: DEfindER
          against your homeland

          Against the occupation of their homeland by the red-faced commies. In the 91st, fortunately, they won.
          Quote: DEfindER
          were particularly cruel, even the Germans were surprised at your hatred of your own people

          Evidence base in the studio, please.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER April 19 2013 14: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: Whitehorse
            Evidence base in the studio, please.

            Yes, even this:
            http://www.cirota.ru/forum/view.php?subj=3941&fullview=1&order=
            or that:
            http://svom.info/entry/239-vlasovcy-mif-o-blagorodnyh-rycaryah/

            interesting excerpt from the article:
            The most important thing. When Romanov says: 'political program
            The Vlasov Army was practically executed by the past democratic transformations in Russia, he is in many ways right. Vlasov’s program is very similar to
            the vulgarly populist program of early Yeltsin (1988-1990, when he was a nightingale
            poured about the abolition of privileges of the apparatus and
            “Socialism with a human face.”)
            socialist program, for Vlasov is a peasant
            son and Soviet general, believed that “the Russian people
            I am grateful to the Bolsheviks for the good things that they
            done". Here Vlasov promised the Soviet system, but without
            Stalin and the NKVD. Both of these programs are utter nonsense.
            an intelligent person could not be taken seriously.
            It’s clear that this is not a program of action, but
            naked propaganda. By the way, Vlasov and Yeltsin are similar in
            character and even outwardly. In addition, both are chronic.
            alcoholics seeking to drown fear in vodka in minutes
            danger. And it’s easy to see the complete resemblance between
            Vlasovites and “democrats” of the 90s. “Democrats" implemented
            Hitler-Rosenberg program. Almost everything
            planned for the Slavs by Hitler in the book “My Struggle”
            was implemented in the 90s. Hitlerites could not
            implement this program because of. . . their honesty. They are
            clearly showed the Russian people that they consider them
            subhuman and want to make their slaves. And many
            Hitler’s comrades directly wrote that it was necessary to conduct more
            subtle propaganda among the Russians, for which it was
            Vlasov movement was invented. In the 45th, the surviving Vlasovites and the ROCOR had new owners - the Americans. Americans took lessons
            Hitler and the same program for the destruction of Russia
            Hitler-Rosenberg was disguised as propaganda
            Vlasov-Yeltsin program. And this approach has been very successful.
            By the way, so dear to the heart of Mr. Romanov Vlasov
            the program (manifest CONR) was drawn up
            their main ideologist Zhilenkov (former
            secretary of the party district committee and divisional commissioner) and
            Approved by SS Referee Himmler. At her
            solemn announcement in Prague and Berlin in
            the generals of the SS and Metr sat on the podiums. Anastasius.
            1. Whitehorse
              Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 33 New
              0
              You did not understand. From the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation or the website of the Bundeswehr, other other base is not. Nonsense that you brought - you can print and go with her to the toilet.
          2. Sirocco
            Sirocco April 19 2013 14: 30 New
            -4
            Bandera come into the village, got bogged down the huts i'm eating, are the red in the hati e chi ni? so so so prolunav, from the hill mount machine gun laughing
        2. SSR
          SSR April 19 2013 15: 42 New
          0
          Quote: DEfindER
          You still remember the ROA, UBL..DOK,

          um, and I just sent it to the bann and that’s all ... because it’s just a fat troll, and I got sick of feeding the trolls of Chota)))
      2. Drejk
        Drejk April 19 2013 14: 28 New
        +7
        These are the cattle or horses (as you like more) and the Soviet Socialist Republic was drained !. Everyone cries that the councils oppressed and occupied, the question is: how do you know? Have you been there to judge ???? Did you blind kitten sitting in the trenches or taking pictures of the hanged, or do you know how white people cut whole villages or ROA with UPA strangled civilians at night or nailed children with bayonets ???? I have 2 great-grandfathers who died in the war, and my grandfathers and grandmothers did not voluntarily grow up orphans and all my childhood they listened to the word sugar only in a dream, so why should I thank ROA for it ???? A German officer saved my neighbor (during the war was 7 years old) from giving pneumonia by giving away his medicines and condensed milk, and our Russian policemen - RELEASERS FROM COMMUNISM - only came to his mother in the evenings for moonshine and raped her once a week, and besides, for half a year at a standstill all the hens were caught, a cow was slaughtered and all the potatoes were taken out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The result - out of 5 children, only Grandfather Volodya, the eldest of all, survived by the spring, and that was because he was ill and the German fed him! So shut up the liberal bastard, otherwise I'll give you such evidence, I will dream all my life! Spread the chatter! If it weren’t for these veterans, I would have looked like you would have played football in a concentration camp with brick in a minefield !!!! Or do you think the Germans after their victory you left you alive ???? Read the story, the first traitors were always allowed into the expense because if they betrayed their own people, then betraying strangers to them would not be at all difficult !!!!
        1. Whitehorse
          Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 29 New
          0
          You don’t tell me stories here. Either documents, or be silent and minus.
      3. Grey74
        Grey74 April 19 2013 14: 56 New
        0
        these are your roas. And OURS will remain them.
    6. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN April 19 2013 14: 03 New
      13
      Grandfather's answer to these uninhabited Nazis

      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 April 19 2013 15: 00 New
        +6
        oh yes grandfather! ah well done! Imagine that at the fascist gathering in the Third Reich, someone plays "Farewell to the Slav"? Approximately the same situation, with a difference of course, but you still need to have some courage for such an act and conviction. The medal must be awarded!
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN April 19 2013 15: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: cumastra1
          oh yes grandfather! ah well done! Imagine that at the fascist gathering in the Third Reich, someone plays "Farewell to the Slav"? Approximately the same situation, with a difference of course, but you still need to have some courage for such an act and conviction. The medal must be awarded!

          Yes, Grandfather Well done, steel hardening is felt. It is interesting to look at the dumbfounded fascists passing by grandfather. A medal for courage, at least in the eyes of the people, I think is provided for him!
      2. Bosk
        Bosk April 19 2013 17: 18 New
        +3
        You pay attention to the cops ... just like you dressed for the assault.
    7. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 19 2013 16: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      To which the world has sunk, the fascist scum decides whether our veterans can wear the order or not ...: reyuest:



      Yes, it's time to protect the rights of our veterans abroad and show these fascist populations their place in the food chain.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 19 2013 17: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Speckled32
        Yes, it's time to protect the rights of our veterans abroad and show these fascist populations their place in the food chain.

        I read and inspired.
        Or maybe it's time to send the cheerleaders in camouflage? Let them dance?
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 19 2013 18: 08 New
          +3

          So, approximately.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin April 19 2013 20: 21 New
            +1
            Cons on your conscience. There will be a desire and skill - explain. There will be no such desire, I beg you to put me in your emergency.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 20 2013 03: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Garrin
              Cons on your conscience.

              Brother drinks good But as for the minuses, I would like to understand am
    8. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 19 2013 16: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Speckled32
      Quote: Vladimirets
      To which the world has sunk, the fascist scum decides whether our veterans can wear the order or not ...: reyuest:



      Yes, it's time to protect the rights of our veterans abroad and show these fascist populations their place in the food chain.

      this is how we should live.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 20 2013 00: 31 New
        +1
        Krapovy32 Yesterday, 16:16 ↑
        this is how we should live.

        Well said.
    9. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... April 19 2013 17: 45 New
      +2
      The bastard is no longer fascist, and some other, to the village yet undefinedbut with a touch of the North American prairies ... or the Thames flood plain ...
    10. Quiet
      Quiet April 19 2013 19: 27 New
      +1
      fascist scum decides

      Balts are diapers of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and the USSR, Who promises to that and lick !!!
  2. Gingerbread Man
    Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 13 New
    -22
    Do it right. Communism and the Red Terror = Nazism. How many millions have scooped up scoops, no one will recall?
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 26 New
      19
      And you go on May 9 to Poklonnaya Gora in Moscow, or at any place where veterans of the Great Patriotic War or the Afghan War gather and tell them about it. I suppose the gut is thin, wise guy. Solzhenitsyn begin to read with Rezuny and do not think with their brains
      1. Gingerbread Man
        Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 29 New
        -14
        It's like I don't do that. And veterans support me - they remember how detachments shot them in the back.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 19 2013 12: 34 New
          10
          Quote: Gingerbread Man
          And veterans support me - they remember how detachments shot them in the back.

          Do not carry hen. fool
          1. Gingerbread Man
            Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 38 New
            -8
            Get out and ask yourself. Even veterans repent for the atrocities and rape of civilians.
            1. Sibiryak
              Sibiryak April 19 2013 12: 54 New
              +9
              Quote: Gingerbread Man
              Even veterans repent for the atrocities and rape of civilians.

              Do we have internet in our homes for mental "intellectuals" ?! Very vain, the roof flies away completely and irrevocably!
              1. Gingerbread Man
                Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 01 New
                -7
                More questions?

                “Of course, we don’t know the exact number of women raped,” acknowledges historian Silke Satjukow. “According to various estimates, Russians raped 10 to 90% of the women who were in Berlin at the end of the war. Some of them were subjected to group and / or repeated violence, and then were deported to the USSR. A large number of refugees from the eastern regions of the country who were fleeing the Red Army lived in Berlin. Men were at the front, and women were left to their own devices. And the Russians. They knew what awaited them: Nazi propaganda regularly disseminated information about the atrocities committed by the Red Army against civilians, Goebbels used this threat to motivate the Wehrmacht, whose morale was undermined by numerous defeats after the Battle of Stalingrad, and believed that men would fight more violently at the thought that what awaits their wives in case of defeat. "

                Ordinary foot soldiers, officers. . . It is hardly possible to create a portrait of a typical Russian rapist at the end of the war. “One thing is certain for sure: Stalin, who set the goal of reaching Berlin by May 1, did not spare his people,” says historian Jochen Staadt, who works at the Free University of Berlin. - In the last weeks of the war, twenty thousand Russian soldiers died. We had to send reinforcements to the front, young children, often poorly trained, who came from the eastern territories of the USSR. These young soldiers saw their comrades dying from Nazi bullets. They were filled with hatred of the Germans. The Stalinist propaganda has been explaining to them for several months that a successfully lived day is one when at least one German fell from their hands. As they moved west, Russian soldiers saw what kind of destruction the Nazis left behind in the USSR, and how much Germany, even devastated by the war, was richer than the regions where they came from. They justifiably wondered what the Germans had hoped to find in Russia that was not in Germany. . . “.
                1. Sibiryak
                  Sibiryak April 19 2013 13: 16 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Gingerbread Man
                  More questions?

                  What questions can be here, everything is clear! You are in the same chamber where Napoleon is!
          2. Sirocco
            Sirocco April 19 2013 14: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            And veterans support me - they remember how detachments shot them in the back.

            You know, the nickname of this Kolobok speaks for itself, Kolobok is what it was made of? it is scratched over the gutters and chaff is stuffed instead of gray matter. So there is not what they think.
        2. bogdan
          bogdan April 19 2013 12: 36 New
          +8
          Quote: Gingerbread Man
          And veterans support me - they remember how detachments shot them in the back.

          What stupid trolling - or are you on a paycheck? Then you have a dumb curator laughing
        3. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 39 New
          11
          Do you still believe in nonsense about detachments? Just do not say here that such detachments guarded partisan detachments in the forests, the garrison of the Brest Fortress or Sevastopol. At the passes of the Caucasus or the commissar with a revolver forced the crew of the submarine to choke after a successful attack by an enemy convoy. Or was the NKVD officer sitting behind the pilots and forcing them to go to anti-aircraft guns?
          1. Gingerbread Man
            Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 42 New
            -6
            Sooooh, learning history together. By order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 00941 of July 19, 1941 Separate rifle platoons were formed at special divisions and corps divisions, separate rifle companies at special army divisions, and separate rifle battalions equipped with special personnel of the NKVD at special divisions of the fronts.

            Instructions for special departments of the NKVD of the North-Western Front to combat deserters, cowards and alarmists ... § 4
            Special departments of the division, corps, army in the fight against deserters, cowards and alarmists carry out the following activities:
            a) organize a barrage service by setting ambushes, posts and patrols on military roads, refugee roads and other traffic routes, in order to exclude the possibility of any seepage of military personnel who arbitrarily left combat positions;
            b) carefully check each detained commander and Red Army man in order to identify deserters, cowards and alarmists who fled from the battlefield;
            c) all established deserters are immediately arrested and investigated to bring them to trial by a military tribunal. The investigation shall be completed within the 12-hour period;
            d) all those lagging behind part of the military are organized by the platoon (porotnoy) and under the command of trusted commanders, accompanied by a representative of the special department sent to the headquarters of the relevant division;
            e) in especially exceptional cases, when the situation requires decisive measures to immediately restore order at the front, the head of a special department is given the right to shoot deserters on the spot. The head of a special department reports on each such case to a special department of the army and the front;
            f) enforce the sentence of the military tribunal on the spot, and, if necessary, before the formation;
            g) keep a quantitative record of all those detained and sent to the unit and personal records of all those arrested and convicted;
            h) daily report to the special department of the army and the special department of the front about the number of detained, arrested, convicted, as well as about the number of commanders, Red Army soldiers and material units transferred to the unit.
            1. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 50 New
              +8
              Excellent, correct document. Deserters in all absolutely armies of the world were tried and shot in martial law without much regret. As if the Germans didn’t put their deserters to the wall. And alarmists are even worse than deserters. Plus, there are spies and saboteurs. I don’t see anything here reprehensible. Especially for a country waging war not for life but for death.
              1. Gingerbread Man
                Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 53 New
                -4
                Excellent, correct document.
                Shoot their soldiers without trial

                Clear.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 19 2013 13: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Gingerbread Man
                  Excellent, correct document.
                  Shoot their soldiers without trial


                  You yourself carefully read what you offer
                  c) all established deserters are immediately arrested and investigated to bring them to trial by a military tribunal. The investigation shall be completed within the 12-hour period;

                  e) in especially exceptional cases, when the situation requires decisive measures to immediately restore order at the front, the head of a special department is given the right to shoot deserters on the spot. The head of a special department reports on each such case to a special department of the army and the front;


                  Alas, no matter how cynical it sounds, the document is correct.

                  And how different is it from this
                  9. The right of the commander (chief) to give the order and the duty of the subordinate to obey implicitly are the basic principles of unity of command.

                  In the case of open disobedience or resistance of a subordinate, the commander (chief) is obliged to restore all coercive measures established by laws and military regulations to restore order and discipline, up to the arrest of the perpetrator and criminal prosecution. At the same time, weapons can be used only in combat situations, and in peacetime - in exceptional cases, which are urgent, in accordance with the requirements of the Charter of the internal service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


                  This is from the "Disciplinary Charter of the RF Armed Forces"
                  1. Gingerbread Man
                    Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 11 New
                    -2
                    That is, this is correct when spec. troops shoot their backs?
              2. Sibiryak
                Sibiryak April 19 2013 13: 00 New
                +5
                lewerlin53rus
                Eugene, he reminds me of a LADY - a lot of chatter, screaming, screeching and stinking, but there’s no sense!
                1. lewerlin53rus
                  lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 13: 44 New
                  +6
                  And I’m no longer LADY, but in some way (if I may say so) "lady"
                  1. Sibiryak
                    Sibiryak April 19 2013 16: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: lewerlin53rus
                    And I’m no longer LADY, but in some way (if I may say so) "lady"

                    Horseradish radish is not sweeter, one field is a berry! hi
                  2. Tambov we ...
                    Tambov we ... April 19 2013 20: 19 New
                    +1
                    The image of this insane deck, dishonors everyone who publishes it ...
              3. cumastra1
                cumastra1 April 19 2013 14: 53 New
                +1
                The Germans shot their deserters mercilessly, they dodged dodgers without trial, I don’t know if it was true, but I read somewhere that it was from them that we had the idea of ​​penal battles being torn apart.
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN April 19 2013 17: 05 New
                  +5
                  Quote: cumastra1
                  The Germans shot their deserters mercilessly, they dodged dodgers without trial, I don’t know if it was true, but I read somewhere that it was from them that we had the idea of ​​penal battles being torn apart.

                  As far as I know, the Poles detachments were the first to use the fence in 1921 during the war with the Red Army, the author of the idea was Pilsuddsky. To whom this topic is interesting, watch from 17 minutes.

        4. DEfindER
          DEfindER April 19 2013 12: 45 New
          13
          Quote: Gingerbread Man
          they remember how detachments shot them in the back.

          For the entire Great Patriotic War, 1100 people were shot dead by detachments, 4000 people were arrested, 134 000 people were returned to military units ..
          1. Gingerbread Man
            Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 49 New
            -3
            Proof on this nonsense.
            1. Rebus
              Rebus April 19 2013 13: 14 New
              11
              Quote: Gingerbread Man
              Proof on this nonsense.

              Regarding the word PROOF

              Proof (proof). Units of alcohol strength. One proof is equal to 0,5% alcohol. For example, 80 proof means 40% alcohol

              It’s easier to drink and people will communicate with you ...
              As regards detachment barriers, my grandfather said that during his entire service (1942 - 1945) not a single person was shot by detachments in his unit, and the detachment units themselves were the third line of defense.
              For me personally, my grandfather is much more authoritative than dubious pieces of paper and the words of trolls like you.
              1. Gingerbread Man
                Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 16 New
                0
                That is, eyewitness accounts and memoirs are a lie? Constantly there is evidence of the executions of all who delayed the attack or retreated.
          2. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN April 19 2013 15: 57 New
            +1

            Even pro-Western Wikipedia, here's what about the Fritz, mumbles:
            Pharisaical publicists, using the fact of creating fines and barrage detachments to condemn the "totalitarian regime" and personally I.V. Stalin, avoid matching even with the Wehrmacht. Which, however, does not prevent them from admiring the "professionalism" of the German generals. It is known, however, that during the crisis of the German army near Moscow, Hitler, among other measures to stabilize the situation, issued an order on December 16, 1941, prohibiting the unauthorized abandonment of positions and demanding “fanatic resistance” from the troops of Army Group Center. About 100 penal companies were created in the troops. As for the detachments, in the Wehrmacht, their functions were performed by units of the Feljandarmerie. Generals who allowed the withdrawal of units were immediately removed from their posts. The commander of the 2nd Army, General Schmidt, gave the order to identify those who dared to conduct defeatist conversations, and for a clear example to others, immediately shoot them.

            The Wehrmacht commanders, depending on the situation and without instructions from above, were ready to apply the most stringent disciplinary measures to subordinates. Here, for example, is the recommendation of General Gablents to the command of the 384th Infantry Division (autumn 1942): “Commanders should be stricter ... A military tribunal should judge the deserters. A soldier who fell asleep at a military post deserves to be shot on the spot. ” At the final stage of the Battle of Stalingrad, the commander of the 8th army corps, Colonel General W. Heitz, ordered the execution of 364 death sentences for eight days.
        5. dmitry46
          dmitry46 April 19 2013 12: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Gingerbread Man
          It's like I don't do that. And veterans support me - they remember how detachments shot them in the back.


          it veterans ss told you?
      2. JonnyT
        JonnyT April 19 2013 13: 35 New
        +3
        Guys, don’t throw beads in front of pigs! They still don’t understand!
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER April 19 2013 12: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Gingerbread Man
      How many millions have scooped up scoops, no one will recall?

      In total, from 1921 to the beginning of 1954, 642.980 people were sentenced to death for political charges, 2.369.220 to imprisonment, and 765.180 to imprisonment. It should also be borne in mind that not all sentences were carried out. Also, theft often related to political articles, as the theft of Soviet property was equated with anti-state activity. Also, more than half of all the charges were as a result of denunciations, which were based not on the facts of crimes, but on personal relationships between people ..
    3. Bosk
      Bosk April 19 2013 13: 08 New
      -4
      And where did you read that Communism promotes the annihilation of its people? Communism is a wonderful dream of mankind and maybe when we will be ready to realize it, but it seems to me that terror was created by people ... such as Yezhov, Stalin and others ...
      1. Gingerbread Man
        Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 12 New
        -2
        In a book on history .. Everywhere communism-socialism is accompanied by repression.
        1. Rebus
          Rebus April 19 2013 13: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Gingerbread Man
          In a book on history .. Everywhere communism-socialism is accompanied by repression.

          Have you personally been repressed?
          1. Gingerbread Man
            Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 21 New
            0
            Me personally? No. Millions of others, yes.
  3. Akhtuba73
    Akhtuba73 April 19 2013 12: 23 New
    14
    In an effort to lick the ass deeper into the West, gentlemen, the Balts completely lost their sense of proportion. I do not think that under the Nazis there would be more of them than the janitors needed to maintain the cleanliness of the streets. They pretend to be occupied by the Union, it was just their RESCUE, moreover, paid for by the blood of our soldiers!
    Gingerbread Man - kiss yourself on the pubis!
    1. Gingerbread Man
      Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 27 New
      -12
      That is, you deny the crimes of the Reds? That is, thank you for the occupation.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 31 New
        11
        YES! I deny it! I do not know a single documented fact recognized by the international community. But the results of the Nuremberg Tribunal are publicly available.
        1. Gingerbread Man
          Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 36 New
          -5
          That is, even Katyn deny?
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 43 New
            +1
            Deny it. Until UNIVERSAL prove. Too many doubts.
            1. Gingerbread Man
              Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 47 New
              -1
              Deny it. Until UNIVERSAL prove. Too many doubts.
              Sooooo, much more definite. Listening to Putin:

              Putin emphasized that it is imperative to keep a memory of the past, no matter how bitter this truth may be. "We have not been given the chance to change it, but it is within our power to preserve, restore truth and historical justice," he said. According to Putin, this hard and painstaking work was undertaken by historians of Russia and Poland, representatives of the public and clergy. “For decades, they tried to cynical lie to smear the truth about the Katyn executions, but the same lie to blame the Russian people for these crimes,” the head of the Russian government emphasized.
              1. lewerlin53rus
                lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 12: 57 New
                +2
                And what about Putin? There is pure diplomacy and politics. Plus, our habit of repenting is not the case.And doubts remain
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER April 19 2013 12: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: Gingerbread Man
            That is, even Katyn deny?

            As a result of the investigation, it was found out that all the killed Poles under Katyn were killed by German bullets, their hands were tied with German rope, and many of them had military insignia, despite the fact that when we were shot, all insignia from the sentenced always starred ..
            1. Gingerbread Man
              Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 01 New
              -3
              That is, Putin is lying?
          3. Soldier
            Soldier April 19 2013 12: 54 New
            +6
            Why are you an evil troll, if you don’t like your homeland like that, did you register under the Russian flag? And, didn’t you have a flag with a swastika? Well, it’s okay to put a portrait of Novodrovskaya on the avatar and everything will be clear
            1. Gingerbread Man
              Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 56 New
              -2
              Flags are issued forcibly. I am Russian, by the way. I'm not a scoop.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER April 19 2013 12: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Gingerbread Man
        That is, thank you for the occupation.

        Do you call occupation the possibility of any republic at any time to secede from the USSR by referendum? Read the constitution of the USSR, and do not bear this nonsense!
        1. Gingerbread Man
          Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 48 New
          -2
          That is, Latvia voluntarily entered the USSR?
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 52 New
            +3
            Does the Baltic states demand compensation from the Scandinavian countries for repressions? With Germany compensation for the crusades? Eh?
            Does not require. Do you know why? Because the leadership of these countries (Baltic countries) are political prostitutes. And you, dear, just a hungry troll.
            1. Gingerbread Man
              Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 55 New
              -2
              You, dear, are just a hungry troll.

              That is, historical fact is trolling?
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 19 2013 13: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Gingerbread Man
            That is, Latvia voluntarily entered the USSR?


            Texas also did not quite voluntarily enter the United States, and Scotland became part of the United Kingdom, and Ireland is so general ... Why are you silent about this? That's where the terror, and many centuries
          3. Rebus
            Rebus April 19 2013 13: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: Gingerbread Man
            That is, Latvia voluntarily entered the USSR?

            A limited contingent of the Red Army (for example, in Latvia in the confidential protocol attached to the agreement on mutual assistance, the number of Soviet troops was agreed to 25 thousand, which is comparable to the size of the Latvian army) was introduced with the permission of the presidents of the Baltic countries, and agreements were concluded. So, on November 5, 1939, the Riga newspaper “Newspaper for All” in a note “Soviet troops went to their bases” published a message:

            On the basis of a friendly agreement concluded between Latvia and the USSR on mutual assistance, the first echelons of Soviet troops proceeded on October 29, 1939 through the Zilupe border station. An honor guard with a military band was lined up for a meeting of Soviet troops ....
      3. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 47 New
        12
        A lonely elderly, very intelligent woman lives in my native village, she worked as a teacher for a very long time, now she is retired. We were still boys called her woman Tonya.
        And only recently my father told me that she’s not Baba Tonya, but bears the name of Gertrude. True, they called her so very long ago. So long ago that she herself does not really remember. He remembers only 1945 year and the ruins of Berlin. Her father served in the Wehrmacht and died at the front, and she had no relatives. Nobody needed her. And the girl was sheltered by a simple Soviet soldier. And everything else was given to her by a country called the USSR.
        But she doesn’t want to go to Germany, although they suggested.
        So do not smack nonsense about the occupation and atrocities of the USSR in the Baltic states. If you tell her this, you’ll get a spit in the face, and then you’ll get clogged up too. Lie further.
        1. Gingerbread Man
          Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 12: 52 New
          -3
          Lie further
          In general, for those who still had some kind of illusion. It's time to grow up. It was. Everything was. It is useless to deny

          http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/netak/695983-echo/#element-text
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 13: 00 New
            +3
            Found where to throw links! fool To the anti-Russian radio cheat! They’ll say something different there!
            1. Gingerbread Man
              Gingerbread Man April 19 2013 13: 03 New
              -1
              Actually there is an interview. And where does the echo? There is a link to a person.
          2. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus April 19 2013 13: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Gingerbread Man
            It's time to grow up.
            How old are you, baby !?
  4. YaRusich
    YaRusich April 19 2013 12: 24 New
    18
    Quote: Gingerbread Man
    Do it right. Communism and the Red Terror = Nazism. How many millions have scooped up scoops, no one will recall?

    it seems to me more and more that not everyone was caught up and deported, and threshingly gave their shoots, which we are now reaping ....
  5. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 19 2013 12: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: YaRusich
    Soviet veterans in Latvia were allowed to wear orders on Victory Day

    Some garbage, I don’t even want to read a stat.
  6. 120352
    120352 April 19 2013 12: 33 New
    +5
    But it would be nice to ride this tankhutor on tanks in honor of Victory Day. Our Earth! We are freed! But they never had statehood. That under Denmark, under under Sweden. then under Germany, until Russia bought them back. Or let the money back ...
  7. wulf66
    wulf66 April 19 2013 12: 33 New
    +4
    The Americans bark at the pug ... The funniest thing is that their children and grandchildren will have to pay for this. The history of these political huts does not teach anything.
  8. Iraclius
    Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 35 New
    +4
    I sincerely wish in the Baltic countries to abandon all state symbols altogether and as soon as possible switch to the symbols of the LGBT community and allow same-sex marriage, banning all others. Degenerate faster. Although you have almost the same geeks in power, judging by the decisions they make.
  9. olegff68
    olegff68 April 19 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    The Balts do not know what other factors they can smear about themselves in order to infuriate their neighbor !!! I really want to shout: spaaaasiteee - big and scary Ivan crawls into our internal affairs !!!
  10. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 19 2013 12: 43 New
    +7
    How tired of all this, I really want to invade and restore elementary order. Why aren't ss veterans generally outweighed?
  11. dmitry46
    dmitry46 April 19 2013 12: 44 New
    +9
    Generally fucked up?!?! Veterans want to ban orders and medals from wearing! They earned their medals with blood, and without exaggeration they saved the world from fascism! In general, they don’t have any brains! I would personally take the head off to the author of this law!
    Scum in one word! There is nothing sacred!
  12. lilit.193
    lilit.193 April 19 2013 13: 14 New
    +5
    They allowed ... And when they banned, what was the reason - an inferiority complex or a dirty desire to take revenge on those who fought "for the USSR" and not for some kind of "independent Latvia". This applies to the rest of the Baltic. What did European generals feel after the collapse of the USSR? Or did democratic values ​​hit the head so hard that they completely knocked out all the brains from it?
  13. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 19 2013 13: 15 New
    +5
    "Soviet veterans in Latvia were allowed to wear orders on Victory Day"

    With the attitude that is being demonstrated in the Baltic states, it is time for Soviet veterans to allow the wearing of not only orders, but also weapons. recourse
  14. lecturer
    lecturer April 19 2013 13: 25 New
    +5
    I want to remind you:
    1. From the opinions of modern Latvians (from an article): “Only radicals from among the nationalists insisted that they should be equated with Soviet and Nazi symbols, and therefore the police should force the elderly to take them off ..”
    2. From history: “Latvian arrows in the 20s. under the slogan “FOR SOVIET POWER!” fought against: Russian anti-Soviet troops, the Polish Corps, the Czechoslovak Corps, the Finnish Army and the English landing in late 1917 and in 1918; German Baltic Landsver and the Iron Division, and the Russian detachment of the SVTL. Prince A. Lieven at the end of 1918; Denikin (1919), Wrangel (1920) ”, etc.
    3. From the sayings of the Russian people (20s of the last century): "Soviet power rests on Jewish brains, Latvian bayonets and Russian fools" - such a saying existed in Russia in the first years after the revolution. The common people then had another saying: "Do not look for the executioner, but look for the Latvian."
  15. Bigriver
    Bigriver April 19 2013 13: 33 New
    +4
    Given the population decline of 15-20% during the years of "independence", the Baltic states will soon only have to regulate the life of mice and insects.
    Where is their place.
  16. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 13: 39 New
    +5
    I did not understand, there is a discussion of the article and the actions of the Baltic republics, OR the moral appearance of the "Kolobok". I explain that since time immemorial in Russia they did not offend and did not take offense at the sick and the wretched. Forgive him and do not pay attention - saliva then sprinkles on his monitor, and not on yours!
    1. radio operator
      radio operator April 19 2013 14: 09 New
      0
      It's hard not to agree.
  17. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 19 2013 13: 55 New
    +3
    And I believe that independent Latvia is a symbol of Nazism. Also, as is Estonia and the third Member of this trio of go-Lithuania.
    1. Withoutdream
      Withoutdream April 19 2013 14: 15 New
      +1
      Exactly! And there, Ukraine already picks up this symbol. Moreover, which is characteristic, all of Nazism (having a rather wide range of intolerance) is directed exclusively against Russia, and the debates in these countries are held on the basis of Russia-hatred, and their politicians are promoting it on this! Because it is easier to hate others for what is better for them than to understand the reasons for their failures and poverty. Such analyzes harm the image of the political elite.
      1. Whitehorse
        Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 22 New
        -1
        And Russia will pick him up. There will be another day when Vlasov is being rehabilitated.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 19 2013 14: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Whitehorse
          And Russia will pick him up. There will be another day when Vlasov is being rehabilitated.


          Not when, otherwise it will no longer be RUSSIA. It is one thing to rebel against the system - these are heroes, it’s another to go into service to the sworn enemy of your Homeland - this is betrayal, no matter how beautiful slogans it may be ...
          1. Whitehorse
            Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: svp67
            sworn enemy

            The Germans came to free.
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 19 2013 15: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Withoutdream
        Exactly! And there, Ukraine already picks up this symbol. Moreover, which is characteristic, all of Nazism (having a rather wide range of intolerance) is directed exclusively against Russia, and the debates in these countries are held on the basis of Russia-hatred, and their politicians are promoting it on this! Because it is easier to hate others for what is better for them than to understand the reasons for their failures and poverty. Such analyzes harm the image of the political elite.


        Frenzied nationalism and hatred of Russia are inherent in all small things, this is the so-called footman's syndrome, the servants always more than owners consider themselves involved in aristocracy and hate free and independent people
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 19 2013 16: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      And I believe that independent Latvia is a symbol of Nazism. Also, as is Estonia and the third Member of this trio of go-Lithuania.

      Right! And in the light of the fact that they gathered with NATO to carry out general exercises, they plundered painfully. In general, this behavior is very similar to a provocation. Suddenly, the Russian nerves would not stand in such a mockery of veterans! So they try!
  18. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 19 2013 14: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Akhtuba73
    Gingerbread Man - kiss yourself on the pubis!

    Judging by his comments, he is not a very flexible gymnast, let him scratch his chest better ... below the waist ... with a well-functioning blowtorch.
    1. Whitehorse
      Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Fitter65
      Judging by his comments, he is not a very flexible gymnast

      You are too demanding of him. He is simply uneducable.
  19. radio operator
    radio operator April 19 2013 14: 07 New
    +3
    But how did the Latvian authorities do that !?
    These are human rights violations!
    Soviet orders in independent Latvia - nonsense.
    Latvians are much closer to gay parades. This is already native.
  20. Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 14: 21 New
    +3
    What kind of "good" they are - these Latvians, but the root of all kindness lies in the economy and, no matter how strange the Russian one is, you don’t want to lose your grandmother.
  21. Rrv
    Rrv April 19 2013 14: 21 New
    11
    You read the headline and somehow you recall a children's joke by itself, though the thing is happening in Estonia:

    Lesson at school.

    Teacher: Children, today we will talk about our flag. Tell me, Aino - what does the blue color of our flag symbolize?

    Aino: The blue color of our flag symbolizes the Estonian sky, which desecrated Russian planes.

    Teacher: Well done, Aino, sit down. Tell me, Kanek - what does the black color of our flag symbolize?

    Kanek: Black color symbolizes our land, which was desecrated by Russian tanks, teacher.

    Teacher: Well done Kanek. Little Vovochka, tell me - what does the white color of the Estonian flag symbolize?

    Little Vovochka: The white color of your flag symbolizes the snow of Siberia that Aino and Kanek will clean when the Russian tanks and planes return.
    1. nikolas 83
      nikolas 83 April 19 2013 16: 11 New
      +3
      A great joke. So it will be. laughing
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 18: 33 New
        +2
        Yes on a fig THEY WE NEED! In addition to sprats, they have nothing left. Advertising: Kaliningrad began to produce good, tasty sprats - support the domestic producer! Let the Baltic states try to steal their products to the west!
  22. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy April 19 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Whitehorse
    Our veterans are ROA veterans.


    You are our brave Internet hero. You tell it to the faces of the warriors, or even just to the peasants at the beer stall, and we will see what kind of student you are.
    1. Whitehorse
      Whitehorse April 19 2013 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Straus_zloy
      men at the beer stall

      Ie alcoholized cheburashka. It is useless for them to explain anything, you yourself know.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      This Troll under different nicknames should not be negated.
  23. Naval
    Naval April 19 2013 14: 47 New
    +4
    The economy was ruined, the industry was ruined, the population was fleeing, they were about to populate the Chinese and Africans, but they still couldn’t calm down .... Truly, if God wants to punish. it robs the mind.
    1. de klermon
      de klermon April 19 2013 18: 18 New
      +1
      Africans and Chinese? And will they also force them to be called in Latvian? Something doubt takes me that the Lato-Nazis will find fundamental differences in the appearance of the Banner of Victory and the flag of the PRC! In general, I agree - the theater of the absurd!
  24. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick April 19 2013 14: 51 New
    +1
    When will they have enlightenment in their heads? Is everything so hopeless there? Thank you for saying such an "occupation"!
  25. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov April 19 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    And what, is there anyone else besides old veterans? All, more or less able-bodied, for a long time, having significantly impoverished, from the Baltic states - who fled to where ...
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 15: 07 New
      +2
      For those who do not like our MOTHERLAND, SUITCASE STATION is in Europe and the USA a good way to homosexuals and pederasts for entertainment.
      For the especially dangerous there is MAGADAN and KOLYMA - in a year of work on draining the local swamps they will quickly learn to love all the charms of our peaceful life.
  26. zao74
    zao74 April 19 2013 15: 24 New
    +2
    Bastards, the elderly do not give peace to live. They broke the ridge of the fascist scum, but the geeks remained ... And this is our concern.
  27. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 19 2013 15: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: Whitehorse
    Quote: Vladimirets
    fascist scum

    Sovereign a democratic state.
    Quote: Vladimirets
    to our veterans of the order to wear

    Which yours? The Soviet Union fell apart. God knows when. Our veterans are ROA veterans.

    I live in Nizhny Tagil what else to say, come, I will kill.
  28. Schweik
    Schweik April 19 2013 15: 34 New
    -1
    Maybe Latvians have something to not like the Reds.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 19 2013 15: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Schweik
      Maybe Latvians have something to not like the Reds.

      About the "chubby" appeared face in a German helmet ...
      Are there many reasons for Russians to love the “red” Latvian shooters?
    2. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 15: 40 New
      +3
      Of course there is a reason - for the built PLANTS HOSPITALS SCHOOLS BABY AND RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, for FREE EDUCATION and much more for that.
  29. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 19 2013 15: 39 New
    +6
    Lord of the Baltic states. I ask you to pay attention to the fact that by allowing veterans to wear orders and medals for the holiday of May 9, you risk that soldiers of the regular army of the Russian Federation begin to walk along your streets without bothering with the permits to wear orders "for freeing the Baltic states from democracy"
    No, no offense, but you run into yourself.
  30. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 19 2013 15: 41 New
    0
    Sorry, maybe he said it was sharp but boiling
  31. Schweik
    Schweik April 19 2013 15: 46 New
    0
    Are there many reasons for Russians to love the “red” Latvian shooters?

    Absolutely none, but we are not talking about them.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 19 2013 15: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Schweik
      Absolutely none, but we are not talking about them.

      Why is this? You, the advocate of bright democratic ideals and do not want to talk about these “red"? The hosts do not understand that?
  32. Schweik
    Schweik April 19 2013 16: 03 New
    0
    You, the defender of bright democratic ideals

    You confuse me with someone; I am for a military monarchy.
    The hosts will not understand?

    yes you have paranoia
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 19 2013 16: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Schweik
      You confuse me with someone; I am for a military monarchy.

      The main thing is that you yourself would not get confused ...
    2. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      it is emotions, the mind is resting.
      Everything is much worse with the BALTS, I have the conviction that they have lost the last remnants of the mind. In their desire to get rid of their past THEY LIKE OLD OLD VETERANS who fought with Hitler and, on the contrary, chant the SS TROOPS.
      Further, everything that they had built in the SOVIET TIME they are carefully destroyed and crushed by all available means.
      Joined NATO.
      What they ultimately achieved, became enemies for our people.
      They lost their independence - there is no economy as such. In politics they are vassals of BRUSSELS.
      Decrease in the population of IdeT by leaps and bounds - go shorter ... go straight into the abyss.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 19 2013 16: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        go shorter ... go straight into the abyss.

        And they, like ours, live under the slogan "Us-sya - I will not submit!" fellow
  33. Lich
    Lich April 19 2013 16: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: DEfindER
    You still remember the ROA, UBL..DOK, so you are from Vlasovites, against your people, against your Motherland .. I know that they were particularly cruel, even the Germans were surprised at your hatred of their own people! How the earth wears such! May the Almighty forgive me, but I would not hesitate to send such fascist scum to the other world ..

    I support and join myself I hate I can’t dunk such filth they need to be known!
  34. augur
    augur April 19 2013 16: 38 New
    +5
    Well, you all will not get over it, you bark like mongrel outbred from the gateway, mock the graves of the fallen, fight against the old!
    Did you allow them to wear awards? Who are you, the descendants of those SS men whom our grandfathers didn’t finish out of their kindness? Our ancestors earned the right to bear their awards after defeating a powerful, strong enemy in fair battles, and how did the veterans of your "independent" Baltic countries earn your respect? Shooting in the backs of our soldiers, first at 41 then at 45, by shooting prisoners of war, the blood of children and the tears of their mothers?
    My advice to you is to rent the tank from Estonia again, take courage at last, attack us, give us a chance to put an end to these bile flows once and for all and finish the work of our ancestors!
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 19 2013 17: 17 New
      +1
      do not attack! since they can only attack old veterans! just like their sov detachments attacked defenseless people.
      And still enrages the silence of the leadership of our country.
  35. DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov April 19 2013 16: 55 New
    +2
    Meanwhile, the deputies have not decided what to do with the orders of veterans. Only the radicals from among the nationalists insisted that they should be equated with the Soviet and Nazi symbols, and therefore the police should force the elderly to take them off. However, a considerable part of the deputies considered that symbols should be considered flags and emblems of Nazi Germany, the USSR and the Latvian SSR.

    It seems that it is no longer easy for the gentlemen from the Latvian parliament to achieve cheap popularity and Western grants by discussing the same topic for over 20 years. The economy is in collapse. The country is de-industrialized by the efforts of "friends" from the European Union. There is no work. Young people are fleeing, not wanting to stay in their native "independent" state. Fertility has plummeted. Moreover, the next spit in the direction of Russia and the USSR does not give any opportunity to establish normal relations with the Russian Federation.
  36. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 19 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    "" Soviet veterans in Latvia were allowed to wear orders on Victory Day ""

    Or maybe we too gloomy approach to the assessment of the given action of Latvians? Maybe they needed to get something from Russia? Even though it’s hard to believe.
    For to name relations of Latvia and the Russian Federation friendly language does not turn. With alarming frequency, Latvian officials make various statements accusing the Russian Federation of all mortal sins. The question of the occupation of Latvia is generally raised before every election. Who benefits from this? Who doesn’t want normal relations between countries?
    They either demand that the Russian president have to apologize for the occupation of Latvia, then they are engaged in calculating the amount of losses from the "Soviet occupation".

    It should be recalled that Latvia was annexed to the USSR in 1940. This happened after the Soviet troops entered the republic. Then they held elections in which the pro-communist forces won. The parliament formed in these elections authorized the republic to join the Soviet Union. After the collapse of the USSR, the Baltic countries began to consider the Soviet period of their history as "occupational."
    The position of Russia does not recognize the "occupation" wording and considers the claims of the Latvian authorities to compensate for the damage groundless.


    The fight between the two is always beneficial to someone else, so says Russian analyst Nikolai Starikov. What is good in bad relations with the Russian Federation for Latvia? Nothing! Only internal tension and economic losses. What good will Russia get from bad relations with Latvia? Also nothing: with neighbors you always want to have a good relationship. For many centuries, both states lived together and did not quarrel. What is happening now? The answer is obvious: the US and NATO are trying to block the path of the Russian Federation to the sea, protecting it with a chain of hostile buffer countries. What to do in this situation? First of all, leave the story to historians, and politicians to sit down at the negotiating table and solve existing issues, smoothing out sharp corners. After all, only friendly relations will increase trade between countries, implement joint projects and earn money by joining forces.

    Sergey Vasilenkov

    HOWEVER SHOULD BE NOTED that in January it was announced:
    "" "" "" Latvia is ready to improve relations with Russia "" "" "
    "Latvian-Russian relations can be improved if the parties show mutual desire, give up heated discussions and work on the principles of mutual respect and benefit, Foreign Minister Edgar Rinkevich told the Vesti newspaper.
    “The Latvian side is ready for this,” he assured.

    CAN THIS AND ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS?
  37. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 19 2013 17: 23 New
    +2
    But can 9 of May kneel down and kiss the Poles in the woo ..? Well, Lavrov, do not yawn. Under such an incident, you can smear the entire Baltic
  38. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 April 19 2013 17: 25 New
    +1
    Collect these goats (Latvian deputies) at the brick wall and 1 CORD or cliff will solve the problem very quickly ...
  39. Kibl
    Kibl April 19 2013 18: 00 New
    0
    To all Labusian national pedophiles, sweaty feet in their mouths !!! Hey dzintarsy and others, go devour the otssosinoviks !!!
  40. de klermon
    de klermon April 19 2013 18: 25 New
    +3
    It is interesting that these “proud patriots-democrats” would remain if the funny guys from the divisions of Adolfas Hitlers remained on their territory a couple of years longer? Interestingly, would someone speak German (as was already the case with the Ostseian barons) or would the gunters with gerhards gouge in the “great” Latvian language?
    1. DmitriRazumov
      DmitriRazumov April 19 2013 18: 51 New
      +4
      For reference ... In 16, Ivan the Terrible successfully fought the lands of the Livonian Order, destroying the German aristocracy, i.e. the military power of the order and establishing its control over the lands of the present Baltic. There were no Latvians or Estonians at that time. And there were Chukhon tribes, Kotor. had nothing to do with these German cities conquered by Grozny (Riga, Revel and more than 30 names). The Germans. agreed to serve the Russian Tsar left on these lands, the rest, in modern terms, were deported. T.O. The Baltic states can rightfully be considered primordially Russian territory with a national composition, including mainly Germans. Then the Chukhons somehow appropriated the right to these German cities. they were not built and fought and began to call themselves nations. Therefore, the German population until 1917 felt rather free in the Baltic states, and the local Chukhons were not allowed either into power or into education, but were used only for black work.
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 19: 01 New
        +2
        "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!"
        Quote: DmitriRazumov
        local Chukhons were not allowed either into power or into education, but were used only for black work.
  41. horoh
    horoh April 19 2013 18: 28 New
    +4
    To crush this bastard, once and for all !!! Oh dreams, dreams.
  42. de klermon
    de klermon April 19 2013 18: 29 New
    +3
    By the way, I would like to remind you that the last Hitlerite group capitulated precisely in western Latvia ... Perhaps, according to the old Baltic tradition, they still didn’t have time to wean from German owners to think about it from the German masters?
  43. SEM
    SEM April 19 2013 19: 28 New
    +1
    The people forgetting who released him again will come to the gas chambers, executions and the new Hitler ...... history has repeatedly proved this to everyone, but it seems that it doesn’t reach everyone. Well, this is very unfortunate.
  44. Schweik
    Schweik April 19 2013 20: 00 New
    0
    Forgetting the people who set him free

    Latvia did not become independent after the war.
    Russians are invaders like Germans or Americans.
  45. sashka
    sashka April 19 2013 21: 26 New
    +1
    What does "allowed" mean? This is not a TRP badge .. If I had time I would wear it without taking it off. And where is the "democracy"?
  46. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 20 2013 00: 36 New
    +1
    They themselves are engaged in fascism. Finish the Balts. The time will come, their children will be asked to work in Russia.
  47. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 20 2013 08: 02 New
    0
    If there was an opportunity to take all the veterans home, to their homeland.