SAO Giatsint-K in Special Operations

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SAO Giatsint-K in Special Operations
2S44 Giatsint-K at one of the training centers, December 2024. Still from the report by the TV channel Rossiya 1


Russian artillery uses various self-propelled gun systems in the Special Operation. Last year, several units and subdivisions received the latest self-propelled gun 2S44 "Giatsint-K". It is built on the basis of several finished products, and this approach has obvious advantages. The self-propelled gun combines high fire characteristics and improved mobility on any terrain.



In the war zone


At the end of 2024, the Russian Ministry of Defense published a short report dedicated to the process of training our artillerymen. The video included various samples of weapons and equipment, as well as their combat crews. In particular, for the first time, they showed an unknown self-propelled gun on a wheeled chassis with an artillery unit reminiscent of the 2A36 Giatsint gun.

Details became known later. On February 10, the Rossiya 1 TV channel released a large report on the service of the 238th Guards Separate Artillery Brigade from the 8th Guards Red Banner Combined Arms Army. The brigade and its units are part of the Center group of troops and are taking the most active part in the Special Operation.

The report again showed an unknown wheeled self-propelled gun, but now its designations were revealed - 2S44 and "Giatsint-K". By the beginning of February, the 238th Guards Brigade received a certain amount of such equipment, mastered it and modified it taking into account the specifics of operation at the front. Then the self-propelled guns began to be used for their intended purpose, to strike at the enemy.

The Ministry of Defense regularly publishes reports on the work of artillery and other troops. On July 25, a new material of this kind was released, dedicated to the SAO Giatsint-K and its crew. The short video showed the self-propelled gun moving to a firing position, the process of preparing to fire, and the firing itself. It also demonstrated the direct destruction of the target, recorded by a reconnaissance UAV.


Giatsint-K in the combat zone. Photo by Rostec

Another similar video was released a few days ago, in August. Its heroes were again the artillerymen of the 8th Combined Arms Army from the "Center" group. Again, all the processes of preparation and shooting were demonstrated, and the filming was carried out from the most interesting angles.

The Defense Ministry reports that Giatsint-K conduct combat operations and perform various fire missions on a daily basis. They support assault units, destroy various enemy targets, and participate in counter-battery fire. They provide fire and destroy targets at ranges of up to 30 km or more.

Rapid Development


It should be recalled that at the beginning of 2024, the newest self-propelled guns 2S43 "Malva" appeared for the first time in the Special Operation zone. In the minimum time, it was possible to gain experience in the operation and combat use of such equipment. In this regard, a decision was made to develop a unified self-propelled artillery system, but with a different artillery unit.

As reported earlier, the Giatsint-K was developed by enterprises of the Rostec state corporation. Probably, it was the Burevestnik Central Research Institute (Nizhny Novgorod), which had previously created the Malva and other artillery systems. The design of the new self-propelled gun took minimal time. By the end of last year, Rostec had already manufactured and sent the first 2S44 products to the troops.

Probably, in December and February, experimental or pre-production self-propelled artillery systems of a new type were demonstrated in open materials. During the past time, the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" and related companies could have advanced further and mastered full-fledged serial production. In this case, the army will receive new batches of "Giatsint-K", master them and use them in the Special Operation.


SAO involved in the Special Operation, July 2025. Photo by the Russian Ministry of Defense

The number of new SPGs that the army has already received is, for obvious reasons, still unknown. The troops' needs for such equipment are also not reported. At the same time, it is clear that the overall benefit from these SPGs will be proportional to their number in units.

Gun on chassis


It is reported that the Giatsint-K project was developed based on the solutions and components of the existing 2S43 Malva self-propelled artillery system. This approach led to the unification of the two models and a number of advantages in design, production and operation. In general, the 2S43 and 2S44 products can be considered as an artillery duplex with all its features.

"Giatsint-K" is built on the BAZ-6910-027 "Voshchina" automobile chassis from the Bryansk Automobile Plant. This is a four-axle vehicle with a cabover configuration, capable of carrying various superstructures or loads. The vehicle is equipped with a YaMZ-849 diesel engine with a capacity of 500 hp and a transmission that provides all-wheel drive. The total length of such a chassis reaches 12 m. The curb weight is 18 tons, the load is 20 tons.

During the construction of the 2S44 self-propelled gun, a set of additional equipment is installed on the base chassis, such as control systems, ammunition boxes, etc. An artillery unit in the form of a mount with a gun is mounted on the aft platform. Jacks are also provided to transfer the recoil impulse to the ground.

Self-propelled guns participating in the Special Operation receive additional protection and camouflage. A frame for lattice screens and camouflage nets is mounted over the cabin and other units, including the gun mount. Such equipment makes it difficult to detect and recognize the self-propelled guns, and should also protect against some attacks.


Preparing a gun for firing. Photo by the Russian Ministry of Defense

The self-propelled gun is equipped with a 2A36 gun. The gun mount is apparently based on the towed Giatsint gun carriage. The design of such a mount provides aiming in two planes. At the same time, the horizontal movements of the gun are limited to a sector of tens of degrees. The standard manual aiming drives are retained.

The Giatsint gun has a rifled barrel with a caliber of 152 mm and a length of 47 calibers. A developed slotted muzzle brake is provided. There is a semi-automatic breech with a horizontal wedge. Loading is separate-case with the use of a mechanical rammer. The gun is mounted on hydropneumatic recoil devices.

2A36 and 2S44 use their own line of separate loading rounds. It includes several types of projectiles for different purposes and cartridges with variable powder charge. "Gyatsint" can send a regular projectile to a distance of more than 30 km, active-reactive - to 35-37 km. The ammunition is transported in appropriate racks on the vehicle platform and fed to the gun manually.

The exact composition of the fire control system on board the Giatsint-K is unknown. At the gunner's workplace, you can see a control panel with a monitor for displaying data. Probably, a similar terminal is at the disposal of the commander. The onboard equipment of the self-propelled gun must ensure communication and reception of data on targets, topographic positioning, calculation of data for firing, etc.

The 2S44 Giatsint-K self-propelled gun is capable of moving along highways at a speed of up to 80 km/h. The chassis also has high cross-country ability. Cruising range is 1000 km. Preparing the combat vehicle for firing takes no more than a few minutes. After firing, the unit is folded and leaves the position in a minimum amount of time.

Proven by practice


Currently, the Giatsint-K SAO is participating in the Special Operation and demonstrating its capabilities. The existing potential was obtained due to a successful basic idea and competent use of available components. In addition, the operation of previously created Malva products made a significant contribution to the new project.


The moment of the shot. Photo by the Russian Ministry of Defense

The 2S44 self-propelled gun is built on the serial chassis "Voshchina", which has high characteristics. It is capable of carrying various superstructures, including large-caliber gun mounts, and gives them high mobility. In addition, such vehicles are quite widespread in our army, which allows us to obtain all the advantages associated with unification.

"Giatsint-K" is armed with the same-name cannon, which has long been well mastered by the troops. At the same time, the 2A36 cannon has high combat characteristics and surpasses some other systems of its caliber in its main parameters. Thus, the increased firing range allows solving more complex combat tasks.

The relatively old weapon is supplemented with modern fire control devices. They increase the speed and accuracy of calculating firing data and thus have a positive effect on the overall results of combat operations. Such devices allow for a more complete use of the technical potential of the existing weapon.

According to available data, the production of the Giatsint series guns has long been stopped. In this regard, the new 2S44 SPGs are assembled using available materiel. In particular, the gun can be taken from the towed system from storage or from the combat unit. This approach to production provides a certain saving, and also allows the towed gun to be made self-propelled with all the positive consequences.

Thus, in the shortest possible time, the Russian industry has created a new self-propelled artillery vehicle with a 152-mm gun. This system should complement other equipment with guns of the same caliber in the troops, including the Giatsint-S, which have been in operation for a long time. The newest SPG 2S44 gives rocket troops and artillery new fire and operational capabilities - and they are actively mastering such equipment.
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  1. + 27
    29 August 2025 05: 00
    The article is a continuation of the topic: “In the absence of a coat of arms, they write on a simple one.”
    And what about the Koalitsiya, whose declared range is twice as high?
    In practice, attack drones have taken on the role of both long-range artillery and short-range missiles. The anti-drone war has not yet achieved impressive results, and to promote a weapon that is half a century old, albeit in demand, albeit modernized... I don't even know, maybe I should suggest to VVP to transfer officials to "Volgas", and to move to "Chaika" himself...
    These are some sad thoughts.
    1. +7
      29 August 2025 05: 28
      transfer the officials to the Volgas, and move to the Chaika himself...

      So neither Volgas nor Chaikas have been produced for a long time. And they are unlikely to collect enough of them "from the bins" (like "Giacinths"). There are too many bureaucrats.
      1. +1
        29 August 2025 08: 37
        2S44 "Giatsint-K" and 2S5 "Giatsint-S", I don't understand why the same thing twice?
        1. 2al
          +4
          29 August 2025 09: 05
          The famous holy war is a wheeled SPG vs a tracked one. By the way, the ammo carried on the Giatsint-K is twice as much as on the Giatsint-S.
          1. -1
            29 August 2025 21: 24
            By the way, the ammunition carried on the Giatsint-K is twice as large as on the Giatsint-S.

            Who told you this? The ammunition carried by the 2S44 is actually less than that of the tracked version.
            1. 2al
              +1
              1 September 2025 08: 55
              This was announced by the head of the Giatsint-K crew in a report by Solovyov. The Giatsint-K's performance characteristics have not yet been published.
              1. -3
                1 September 2025 20: 56
                The head of the calculation said what he was apparently told to say.
                The technical characteristics of the SAO have long been published. Both the "Product Operation Guide" and the "Calculation Guide" are available on specialized resources.
                It is clear that all this is in the conditionally open access and I will not provide links to these documents here. But you have your own eyes, right? In the 2S5, the carried ammunition of 30 rounds is placed in a mechanized stowage consisting of two chain conveyors with vertical placement of shells and charges in their cells. The design is very compact, since the stowage is mounted inside the armored space of the self-propelled gun hull.
                The 2S44 has nothing like that - this is visible to the naked eye from the photographs. The shells and charges are placed in boxes on the sides of the gun. There is no room to place even thirty shells and charges there, let alone more.
                And yes, this is not a "minus" of the Giatsint-K. In principle, it has no need to carry ammunition equal to or superior to that of its tracked brother. The tasks of the machine are different.
                1. 2al
                  0
                  2 September 2025 10: 00
                  In reality, no one, including the Ukrainian Armed Forces, carries ammunition inside, but shells are fed from the ground and from shell boxes, which are often carried by fastening to the armor. Partly, the design of the transporters is to blame for this, which is very delicate, but first of all, the inconvenience and complexity of loading and the lack of choice of the type of shell and fuse settings. Not to mention the fact that the transportation of the Krasnopol UAS is generally not allowed in a mechanized stowage.
                  The "Product Operation Guide" and "Calculation Guide" are available on specialized resources.

                  I have only come across the performance characteristics of the "Malva" where there are actually 30 pieces in the stowage, moreover, in protected cups, shells and separate charges for them.
        2. +8
          29 August 2025 09: 19
          The question can probably be put differently. Why "Giatsint-K" and "Malva"? Spreading resources over two practically identical systems. The newest foreign models have a barrel length of 52 calibers, which allows them to shoot further than our guns, which have a length of 48 calibers. In addition, we spend money on "Mstu-K" and Koalitsiya. The result is that old foreign systems such as "Archer", "Caesar" and others are already superior to our newest ones.
          1. +5
            29 August 2025 11: 23
            Quote: VohaAhov
            The question can probably be put differently. Why "Giatsint-K" and "Malva"? Spreading funds over two practically identical complexes.

            The article says that "Malva" did not go into large-scale production. Apparently, there were comments. Taking into account its operation and IN PLACE, "Gyatsint-K" was developed.
            Quite a budget option. War requires a lot of inexpensive weapons.
            Better 4 "Giacinta-K" than 1 "Coalition".
            By the way, I have long written about "Coalition" that we will not see a big effect from its use in the SVO. In a war of attrition (which we have now), the cost/effectiveness criterion quickly filters out everything that does not give an effect corresponding to its cost.
            1. +2
              29 August 2025 15: 08
              Better 4 "Giacinta-K" than 1 "Coalition".

              Yes, but the firing range of these 4 Hyacinths will still be lower than that of 1 Coalition. Of course, this does not guarantee its survival, but nevertheless. But this is all, naturally, provided that the Coalition's 70 km firing range corresponds to its real characteristics.
          2. +1
            29 August 2025 16: 51
            Vladimir, you are 100% right, that's what Rostec is all about. The most effective management structure is for embezzling money and selling off state property.
          3. 0
            29 August 2025 18: 35
            Forgive the amateur, but is it possible in the Russian Federation to produce a 52-caliber barrel for a 152 mm gun?
            1. +2
              29 August 2025 19: 10
              Quote: vadim dok
              Forgive the amateur, but is it possible in the Russian Federation to produce a 52-caliber barrel for a 152 mm gun?
              Our guys offered the 2S19M1 self-propelled gun (155 mm Msta-S) for sale. It has a barrel length of 52 calibers, and the 155 NATO does not differ significantly from our 152.
              1. +1
                29 August 2025 19: 18
                And the 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV has a barrel length of 52 calibers (152 mm)
        3. +3
          29 August 2025 13: 09
          Quote: Civil
          2S44 "Giatsint-K" and 2S5 "Giatsint-S", I don't understand why the same thing twice?
          The 2S5 Giatsint-S was developed from the start as a self-propelled gun, so the design is more thought out and the loading is automated.
          2S44 Giatsint-K is a towed gun, which was mounted on its own wheels. They gained in mobility and cross-country ability. But the only automatic system it has is a rammer (at least, there was no information about anything more).
          The 2S43 "Malva" has a gun from the MSTA-s self-propelled gun, and the gun itself has automatic elements (there is a slot on the right side of the breech where the shell is placed, then it is sent by a rammer. The charge is placed in a slot located on top of the gun breech, then another rammer works). Personally, I do not understand why the supply of shells is in the slots on the left side of the vehicle, and the supply of charges on the right side of the vehicle. It turns out that the loader takes a shell from the left side of the vehicle, runs around the back of the gun, and places the shell in a slot located on the right side of the gun breech. Another loader takes a charge from the right side of the vehicle, also runs around the gun, since the charges are placed on the left side of the gun. The routes of the loaders constantly intersect. What was this circus invented for?
          There was no information available on how all this is implemented on the 2S44 Giatsint-K with its towed gun.
          Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.
          1. +5
            29 August 2025 13: 30
            Quote: Bad_gr
            The 2S43 "Malva" has a gun from the MSTA-s self-propelled gun

            Not anymore - from the SVO zone there were photos of "Malvas" with barrels from towed 2A65, without an ejector.

            So both 2S43 and 2S44 are an attempt to add mobility. towed artillery.
            1. +2
              30 August 2025 13: 48
              Quote: Bad_gr
              The 2S43 "Malva" has a gun from the MSTA-s self-propelled gun

              Quote: Alexey RA
              Not anymore - from the SVO zone there were photos of "Malvas" with barrels from towed 2A65, without an ejector.
              Note the breech of the gun. This is a gun from the MSTA-S with a barrel from the towed MSTA-B.
              1. +1
                30 August 2025 13: 55
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Note the breech of the gun. This is a gun from the MSTA-S with a barrel from the towed MSTA-B.
        4. +3
          29 August 2025 13: 24
          Quote: Civil
          2S44 "Giatsint-K" and 2S5 "Giatsint-S", I don't understand why the same thing twice?

          For the same reason why there are “Msta” and “Malva” in parallel.
          "Giacinth-K" is a transplant towed guns on a wheeled chassis. Neither the Malva nor the Giatsint-K intersect with tracked self-propelled guns. The purpose of their creation is to increase mobility and the speed of coagulation towed artillery, which they replace.
    2. +5
      29 August 2025 05: 29
      We should start with the question of where the money spent on the "Coalition", "Armata", "T-14" and other types of weapons went. The "Gyatsint-K" appeared so quickly because it was developed long ago in drawings from what was available, which is not bad by the way. I don't think there were no plans to arm several brigades with the "Coalition", but the money for them disappeared before they reached production.
      1. +1
        29 August 2025 06: 47
        I think it’s not about money, but about the fact that they still couldn’t bring the Coalition to its senses.
        1. +6
          29 August 2025 07: 28
          Quote: Mars
          I think it’s not about money, but about the fact that they still couldn’t bring the Coalition to its senses.

          Couldn't or didn't want to bring it to fruition? And why did they want to take the money, put it into an unclear turnover and as a result get a fig with butter and that unthinkable income of the Minister of Industry and Trade, the origin of which should have been discussed long ago Bolsheviks in the SK?
          They didn't have enough brains for the positioning that is present on any passenger car, not to mention trucks; they didn't come up with an automatic loader and a method for making a barrel that can withstand 14 shots per minute; they had no idea how to combine all of this in one car???
          And what was moving at the parades, to whom did the “creators” of the products report?
          But “it seems to me that it’s a very simple thing: they wanted to eat and ate” the allocated funds, and then they threw up their hands and decided that everyone would be responsible for “nothing”...

          And I want to finish in the same way as Arkady Isaakovich, only by addressing the other participants:
          - Hi guys! You are well settled! hi
          1. -7
            29 August 2025 07: 49
            Not all projects end in success, since the Coalition couldn't do it, we need to study and copy the trophy Caesars and Ptskh2000. The Americans also have old M109s, there's nothing to catch there.
            1. +5
              29 August 2025 13: 31
              Quote: Mars
              Not all projects end in success, since the Coalitions couldn't make it, we need to study and copy the captured Caesars and Ptskh2000s.
              Of course, it is possible to study it. But to copy it, we need German industry.
              1. -4
                29 August 2025 16: 51
                Why do we need German industry? Our military-industrial complex is much more powerful and developed than the German one.
            2. 0
              29 August 2025 15: 04
              We need to study and copy the trophy Caesars and Pcx2000

              But how can we study them if we don’t have them as trophies?
              1. -1
                29 August 2025 16: 57
                So, we need to study the M777, they are definitely trophies.
      2. 2al
        +4
        29 August 2025 09: 11
        Specifically with the Coalition - the ambush is in the modular propellant powder charges used, a very large chemical plant is needed for this. Perhaps they will nationalize something for such production, since everything that is there is filled to capacity, or the DPRK will be connected, since the KPA is also switching to new artillery systems designed for modular charges.
      3. -1
        29 August 2025 14: 07
        There is a TV show called "Military Acceptance" where they bragged about the Coalition. As they said, all that was left was to put it on stream. But then a message came through that there was some theft at the plant and they couldn't find the ends. hi
    3. 0
      29 August 2025 08: 02
      In practice, attack drones have taken on the role of both long-range artillery and short-range missiles. The anti-drone war has not yet achieved impressive results

      Drones are unlikely to ever replace artillery anyway.
      It's easy to intercept a drone, but incredibly difficult to intercept a projectile.
      A drone will also have difficulty destroying a concrete pillbox, unlike a shell.
      to promote a weapon that is half a century old

      The weapon is normal.
      Exactly normal. Not wow, but not bad either.
      Personally, I think that the choice of this weapon was due to our lack of experience in building wheeled howitzers and, accordingly, the lack of the necessary components to put a weapon with a large chamber volume on wheels.
      Roughly speaking, we don’t yet know how to make such a chassis and anti-roll devices so that the wheeled chassis doesn’t fall apart from the recoil of the MSTA or the Coalition.
      1. 2al
        +1
        29 August 2025 09: 24
        By the way, UAVs have not even been eliminated by mortars and D-30. Although in fact the niche for artillery is noticeably decreasing, the new Geranis are already flying with cluster, thermobaric and "impact core" charges, which allows them to destroy a wide range of protected shelters. On the side of the self-propelled guns is the speed of destruction in the duty mode and a noticeably cheaper shot, although this cannot be said about the "Krasnopol-M2".
        1. 0
          30 August 2025 12: 31
          By the way, even mortars and D-30s didn’t destroy the UAVs.

          What UAVs?
          FPV will never replace art.
          While mortar rounds are still incomparably cheaper than FPVs, with comparable effectiveness of the warhead.
          Moreover, drones will never be able to carry out a full-fledged fire raid. One or two mortars can dump a dozen shells on a position within a minute. In order to simultaneously strike with the same number of drones, each drone would need a separate operator.
          Artillery is still winning.
          Although in fact the niche for artillery is noticeably decreasing

          I would not say.
          Rather, those tasks that artillery can perform, is now replaced by drones. Drones can perform some of the artillery's work more effectively. But the main tasks of artillery are still impossible for drones, and those that drones perform, artillery can still do even more effectively.
          For example
          Geraniums are already flying with cluster, thermobaric and "impact core" charges

          As I said, it is possible to intercept a drone, but shells and missiles are almost impossible.
          If there is a task to mine the road, the artillery will do it instantly. The drone may not do it at all if there is a group of shooters on duty on the road.
          The same applies to cluster armor-piercing warheads.
          They are used to destroy clusters of equipment. By the time the drone reaches the target, the group may have already dispersed.
          In general, where you need to dump a certain tonnage of explosives and iron on the enemy with maximum effect - artillery. Where you need to hit a single target with maximum precision in one strike - drones.
          which allows for a wide range of protected shelters

          Does not allow.
          Name me a drone that can open a reinforced concrete box covered with a meter of soil.
          On the SPG side, the speed of destruction in duty mode

          No. Even without being on duty.
          The deployment speed of even a towed howitzer is higher than the preparation for launch of the same Geranium.
          And in any case, the flight time of the same Geranium and the Smerch missile or 152mm projectile are incomparable.
          a noticeably cheaper shot, although the same cannot be said about the Krasnopol-M2.

          High precision is precisely the strong point of UAVs.
          1. 2al
            +1
            1 September 2025 09: 12
            While mortar rounds are still incomparably cheaper than FPVs, with comparable effectiveness of the warhead.
            Mortar and artillery crews are not included in the price?
            The deployment speed of even a towed howitzer is higher than the preparation for launch of the same Geranium.
            Iranian Shaheds are launched from a trailer of 5 units, since 2016.
            The time required to enter target coordinates is no higher than the time required to locate the position and prepare data for firing.
            1. 0
              1 September 2025 14: 06
              Mortar and artillery crews are not included in the price?

              Do spirits control drones?
              Launched from a trailer in groups of 5

              And self-propelled artillery systems can fire even from a standstill.
              You compare the comparable.
              If the Shahid launcher is self-propelled, then the artillery is self-propelled.
              But even so, SPGs outperform Geran at close ranges. The flight time of the ammunition is still very different.
              Iranian Shaheeds

              Speak honestly. Shahid.
              This is exactly the same Arabic word.
              1. 2al
                0
                1 September 2025 15: 39
                Do spirits control drones?

                I agree that the question is not simple. I have not come across a technical and economic justification for the staffing of unmanned systems. There is only rather murky information from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, like their unmanned company (240 bayonets, 15-20 UAV crews and 5-8 EW/SAR crews) almost replaces the regular barrel artillery battalion of the brigade (800 bayonets) and allows defending an area up to 20 km along the front and attacking 30 km deep, but this is pure PR. But the real established fact is that the Ukrainian Armed Forces can simultaneously concentrate a strike from several OP/CP UAV crews of 20-30 pieces by maneuvering along a 20 km front, while keeping 2-3 wings of reconnaissance/spotter/repeater UAVs in the air. We should expect a noticeable increase in the performance of UAV calculations in the near future as AI is implemented on Chinese chips, i.e. a simultaneous strike on a target by 50-60 UAVs is already a near reality. And this corresponds to the fire raid of a regular artillery regiment of a barrel artillery division of the Soviet Army.
                1. 0
                  2 September 2025 12: 05
                  this is pure PR

                  Not a complete joke. Sounds more than realistic.
                  as AI is implemented

                  Not a fact.
                  The main thing is automation of calculation work.
                  So that the program can simultaneously launch several drones into the air, maneuver them and lead them after the leading drone, which is directly controlled.
                  So that the operator only controls one drone, and several more follow the lead one and are always available for connection.
          2. +1
            7 December 2025 06: 53
            Okay, there are plenty of shots of drones flying into bunkers and the like. Kilometers away... And such cover can easily withstand a mine attack. And yes, a direct hit is a matter of probability. You might not hit it at all.
      2. 0
        29 August 2025 11: 29
        Quote: English tarantass
        We don’t yet know how to make such a chassis and anti-roll devices so that the wheeled chassis doesn’t fall apart from the recoil of the MSTA or the Coalition.

        Do you think that the recoil energy of Giatsint (which surpasses Msta in range) is less than the recoil energy of Msta? Why?
    4. +2
      29 August 2025 09: 41
      These are some sad thoughts.

      From what they write, and not only in this article, I got the impression that we have a problem with the production of 152mm gun barrels. It's good that drones and missiles are helping out to some extent.
      1. -1
        29 August 2025 12: 30
        there are problems, they make very few of them, and they are in no hurry to expand production. orders for 10 years in advance
    5. +4
      29 August 2025 10: 57
      The reasoning in the article is correct. What is wrong is that today many who have only seen a tank or a howitzer in a picture, using modern means of communication, begin to talk about the volume of the chamber, calibers, barrels, etc. Moreover, without having any reliable information other than the same reasoning in the media.
      The now-faded discussion about towed artillery and self-propelled guns is indicative.
      The idiots, having read the newspapers, were screaming that, supposedly, the radars were detecting the firing ones, that, supposedly, they had to be changed quickly. As if a multi-ton Msta or Akatsiya, or M-109, in a cloud of dust and hot exhaust, with a roaring engine, was covered with an invisible cap during a change of position and no one was detecting it. request lol
      Time has put everything in its place and anyone who occasionally watches reports from the front sees that towed guns are still widely used. True, the equipment of firing positions when using them requires capital.
      Everything is as always: each type of weapon for its own purposes.
      As for Giatsint-K. What's wrong with it? Firing range? But you don't need to shoot further with a regular projectile. The initial velocity of a 43-46 kg pellet in the "Genocide" is higher than that of the "three axes", for example (945 m/s). Perhaps a little lower than that of the Panzerhaubitz 2000. But there are almost no more of these miracles of technology left in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And most importantly, at 25-30 km with a regular projectile you can't hit a point target, yes - s. Only you can terrorize indiscriminately. And what do they write there about a firing range of 70 km or more? So this is an active-reactive munition, and it must be controlled, so that it can hit somewhere accurately. That is, the size of the barrel certainly matters. But when shooting at long distances, the issue is in the ammunition. And no one will tell the curious their exact characteristics. Yes, there are other means for hitting distant targets, for example, the same Lancets, etc.
      What can be said about Giatsint-K specifically based on open sources?
      A highly maneuverable self-propelled gun that can perform tasks that are assigned to such artillery systems, is relatively inexpensive and well-established in production.
      And the commander of such a weapon can tell you more in detail, pardon me. When he is allowed, of course. wink
      1. 0
        29 August 2025 11: 19
        and what can you say about long-range shells like Volkeno or the one being developed by the Norwegians with a ramjet engine? Their range is approaching 80-100 km.. they are controlled. And in light of recent events, work is accelerating. And in this regard, for example, we haven't even heard anything. By the way, Volkeno was supplied to the Ukrainians. The Ministry of Defense suppressed its electronic warfare, but when shooting at a city, accuracy is not important.. the fact of a strike from a long distance and destruction of something is important...
        1. +1
          29 August 2025 14: 44
          Their range is approaching 80-100 km...they are controllable.

          In fact, at such a range, the barrel artillery starts to compete with the jet artillery. Experts know which is more profitable, including those in technology and economics. And at such a range, the accuracy of unguided projectiles and barrel artillery is low, and that of guided ones is approximately the same. And we have samples of such MLRS systems. We do not know the number of launchers and projectiles.
        2. +1
          29 August 2025 16: 20
          Quote: rosomaha
          and what can you say about long-range projectiles like Volkeno or the one developed by the Norwegians with a ramjet engine? Their range is approaching 80-100 km..they are controlled.

          The problem is that the controls and engines/gas generators take away volume and weight from the explosive. Because the dimensions of the projectile are finite. The same Vulcano GLR had to be reduced in length because it did not fit into the AZ of the panzerhowitzer.

          Plus, starting from some ranges it becomes more profitable to use corrected RS. They do not need to spend metal to ensure the strength of the projectile body based on the pressure in the barrel bore during firing and overloads during acceleration on 47-52 calibers from zero to 900 m/s.
    6. 0
      29 August 2025 13: 29
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And what about the Koalitsiya, whose declared range is twice as high?
      As far as I heard (I can't find the link), there are no shells for it.
    7. +1
      6 October 2025 08: 40
      And also - an "ingenious" technical solution, when the calculations manually drag the frames for
      hydropneumatic recoil devices.

      So the statement about is doubtful
      After firing, the installation folds up and leaves the position in a minimum amount of time.
  2. +1
    29 August 2025 11: 35
    The decision to install an artillery system from a towed gun on a self-propelled platform is quite reasonable.
  3. -2
    29 August 2025 14: 17
    This is a piece from the opera "I molded it from what was available". And the way it wobbles and tilts when fired is something else!!!
  4. 0
    29 August 2025 21: 26
    In the current conditions of enemy UAV dominance in the skies, the question of the expediency of using self-propelled artillery is acute. Towed artillery has much greater combat stability due to the simplicity of camouflage and the construction of temporary and stationary fortifications for it. For long-range artillery (Msta and Giatsint) this issue is not so acute, but the range of UAV use is constantly growing.
  5. 0
    1 September 2025 10: 01
    It's strange that the Coalition was not similarly installed on the BAZ chassis.
  6. 0
    7 December 2025 06: 55
    When I see what kind of trench this miracle machine needs, I understand that such a miracle needs to be kept away from the LBS.