Su-27: Double Anniversary Ahead of the Third with Further Prospects

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Su-27: Double Anniversary Ahead of the Third with Further Prospects

Is in stories world aviation planes, and there are… Planes. The first ones flashed across the sky and flew away into history, leaving virtually no trace. Well, who, except for aviation history experts, remembers the F-105 Thunderchief, F-106 Delta Dart, Lightning F.1, J.35 Draken, Yak-27?


The fact is that the Su-27 is a unique phenomenon in the sky and there are very few aircraft in the world that can compare with it in terms of efficiency and service life. And how long its iterations Su-30 and Su-35 in various modifications will serve is a question, because the 35th is just getting a taste for it.



Why a double anniversary (well, not an anniversary, but, as we say, a "round date")? It's simple. The Su-27 was officially accepted into service by a government decree on August 23, 1990, when all the main shortcomings identified during testing were eliminated. So, 35 years have passed since its official acceptance into service.


But the fact is that before the publication of this document, since 1985, Su-27s had been in mass operation in combat units for five years. Moreover, even in two iterations, Su-27S (serial) in Air Force units and Su-27P (interceptor) in aviation units. Defense. Moreover, there was a significant difference in equipment between the modifications, the Su-27P had a simpler avionics set, and therefore could not be used as a strike aircraft against ground targets. That is, a "pure" fighter.

In general, the most piquant thing in the whole history of the Su-27 is that this plane might not have existed. Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi took up work on the new fighter with great reluctance, because his design bureau was really overloaded with work on other projects.

At that time, the Sukhoi Design Bureau was working on testing the first prototypes of a frontline bomber, which would later become the Su-24, preparing the long-range missile carrier and reconnaissance aircraft T-4 ("100") for the start of flights, work was underway to create new modifications of the Su-15 interceptor and the Su-17 fighter-bomber, the T-4MS ("200") strategic complex, the Su-25 attack aircraft and the Korshun unmanned aerial vehicle were being designed.


And only under very serious pressure from ministries and departments in 1971, Sukhoi gave the order to begin work on the design of a promising frontline fighter, which received the factory code T-10. It was also called "Anti-F-15", because it was planned that this aircraft would be the means that would reduce to "nothing" all the successes of the Americans, who were intensively building the F-15.

"Orel" was decided to be plucked by the efforts of three design bureaus: P. O. Sukhoi, A. I. Mikoyan and A. S. Yakovlev. Yakovlev's projects Yak-45I and Yak-47 were rejected, but the future MiG-29 and Su-27 met in a fight to the death even before their birth. And as a result, it was decided to divide the frontline fighter project into two independent programs. The initiator was the A. I. Mikoyan Design Bureau, which proposed dividing the prospective frontline fighter program into two separate programs, within the framework of which it would be possible to continue the development of both the Su-27 (as a heavy frontline fighter) and the MiG-29 (as a light frontline fighter), ensuring the unification of both aircraft in a number of equipment systems and weapons.

The decision was made, and the result is known to us: for a long time, the MiG-29 and Su-27 were the backbone and strike force of the Soviet and Russian Air Forces. And videos are still being made and articles are being written about the eternal confrontation between the MiG-29 and the F-16, the Su-27 and the F-15.


The first sketches of the new fighter were made in the P. O. Sukhoi Design Bureau back in the autumn of 1969. At first, this was done by Vladimir Ivanovich Antonov, a designer in the project department. Based on the work of V. I. Antonov, the first version of the T-10 layout was prepared. Its authors were O. S. Samoylovich, V. I. Antonov and V. A. Nikolaenko.

The main feature of the aircraft was to be an integral aerodynamic configuration, i.e. the glider was made as a single bearing body with a smooth connection of the wing and fuselage. For the first time, such a configuration was used by the Sukhoi Design Bureau when developing the T-4MS aircraft project, and here they also used the developments made earlier.

It turned out somewhat like an automobile: the nose section, i.e. the crew cabin, the nose section with the radar, the front landing gear with a niche were attached to the supporting body at the front, then there were under-cabin and behind-cabin compartments with equipment. And at the back, two nacelles with engines and air intakes were attached, located under the center section. This gave the aircraft high aerodynamic qualities and provided large internal compartments for placing fuel and equipment. And this "feature" with a huge fuel reserve became a signature feature of the entire generation of Sukhoi Design Bureau aircraft for many years.

Another important feature of the T-10 was the implementation of the concept of longitudinal static instability of the aircraft at subsonic flight speeds. That is, the Su-27 was unstable in flight, and to ensure its longitudinal balance in flight, an automatic fly-by-wire control system (FDCS) was created. This had already been used by the Sukhoi Design Bureau when working on the T-4 aircraft. Thanks to the use of an integral statically unstable layout, the Su-27 was supposed to acquire exceptional maneuverability characteristics, allowing it to perform evolutions in the air that are inaccessible to aircraft of a conventional configuration, and have a greater flight range without external fuel tanks.

And the creators have more than succeeded in this.


The prototype of the Su-27. Maybe not as beautiful as today, but still effective: speed up to 2,3 M, range 3 km, payload 530 kg, ten hardpoints under the wings.

A big surprise for the Americans, who had long felt like they were the coolest in the sky. Of course, this coolness was occasionally diluted by Soviet aircraft like the MiG-21, but no one forbade asking the question that way, did they?

The fact that Soviet intelligence officers received information back in 1969 about the implementation of the "FX" project in the US, which became the F-15, which took off five years earlier than our aircraft. Earlier does not mean "better".
The Su-27 won the hearts and budgets of the world's most demanding buyers, becoming the best-selling heavy fighter of the 20th and 21st centuries. Curiously, the MiG-29, which appeared and developed almost simultaneously, went through this cycle much faster, became obsolete much earlier and did not achieve such popularity, although it had good sales. But today the MiG-29 is an aircraft of the air forces of third world countries.


What’s even funnier is that it was the MiG-29 that became the Su-27’s first combat trophy.

This happened during the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea, the conflict of 1998-2000. The air forces of these countries were armed with Soviet/Russian aircraft, which is not surprising because Eritrea was part of Ethiopia before its independence. And then both countries continued to buy weapon and military equipment from Russia.

At the beginning of the conflict, Ethiopia had 8 Su-27 aircraft, which were serviced by Russian specialists, and Eritrea had 6 MiG-29 aircraft, which were serviced by specialists from Ukraine.


Evil tongues claim that there were Russians and Ukrainians in the planes’ cabins, but no one has provided reliable evidence.

In 1999, three air battles took place, in which the Su-27 won its first victories, and the enemy was the MiG-29, which the Su-XNUMX had never encountered before.

On February 21, 1999, the Eritreans organized an ambush: one MiG-29 played the role of a decoy, the second MiG-29 was on guard behind the plateau. An Ethiopian Su-27 spotted the MiG-29, approached it to within 45 km and launched missiles The R-27, which the MiG-29 pilot evaded. The Ethiopian pilot launched another missile, and again the Eritrean plane evaded the attack. Apparently, there was a very good pilot in the cockpit. And then both MiG-29s attacked the Su-27, firing two missiles at it. The Ethiopian pilot also turned out to be no fool and evaded them all.

On February 25, that very battle took place. Two Ethiopian fighters met four Eritrean fighters over the Badme sector, which were going to strike ground troops. The Su-27 launched two R-27s at the leading pair of Eritrean MiG-29s. As a result, one aircraft was shot down and destroyed in the air, and the second turned around and returned to its territory.

The next day, February 26, the Su-27 on duty was sent to intercept a MiG-29, which was flying at high altitude towards the capital of Ethiopia, Addis Ababa. Another R-27 launch, another defeat.

Then the Su-29s shot down another MiG-2000 in 27 and completely took over the sky. This is how the combat path of the Su-30 and its modifications Su-33, Su-35, Su-34, Su-27 began. All these aircraft are Su-XNUMXs in one way or another.

Since 2014, Su-27 and Su-30 fighters have intercepted more than 500 reconnaissance aircraft near Russia's air borders; no fire was opened, and everyone was given the opportunity to come to their senses and turn around.

There is no question about how modern the Su-27 platform is today. The Su-35, which is a direct continuation of the Su-27, is today the most effective fighter of our time. Even fifth-generation fighters may be less effective, and there are many reasons for this, which will be discussed on our pages in the very near future.

The eternal adversaries, the American F-15 and F-16, are also on their way to modernization and will not soon free the skies from their presence. These are very successful combat platforms, that's right, because you can create a simply masterpiece of an aircraft, such as the MiG-21, and that's it. True, the MiG-21 continued its career in the guise of Chinese and Pakistani aircraft, but that's a bit different.


The Su-27 is interesting precisely because the design of the aircraft included features that allow the aircraft to be relevant and have great modernization potential. No need for an air brake? No problem at all, we remove it, the aircraft flies as if nothing had happened. Need an additional horizontal stabilizer for better pitch maneuverability and load capacity? No problem. Removing it (from the Su-35) is also possible. The Su-30 and Su-33 in question are very different from the original Su-27 model, the Su-35 is also different, but the flexibility of the design allowed these aircraft to be created.

And despite the presence of the Su-34 and Su-35, the original Su-27 itself is not going to retire. The Su-27SM3 modification, which is gradually being applied to the aircraft in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces and naval aviation (the Su-27's flight range is very good when patrolling over the Baltic), makes it possible to improve the combat performance of an aircraft that one can hardly call a veteran.

Strengthening the airframe structure makes it possible to increase the takeoff weight by more than three tons. This is more fuel or more weapons. Yes, two more hardpoints have been added for weapons. And new AL-31F-M1 engines with increased thrust and increased service life between repairs. Well, and new avionics elements that will allow the use of the most modern types of weapons, for example, R-77 air-to-air missiles.

The cockpit has become completely "glass", the pilot now has four multifunctional indicator screens, which freed him from 13 pointer instruments. Plus a new communications system.

Today, the Su-27SM3 is capable of operating both as a multi-role fighter and performing combat missions typical of a strike aircraft on land or at sea.


The number of Su-27 of various modifications in the Aerospace Forces and naval aviation is not that small, but more than a hundred. Some of them have been modernized, but the Su-27S and Su-27SM will go down in history as they are replaced by more modern aircraft. The plans included replacement with the Su-57, most likely they will change it to the Su-35, but in any case this event is rolled back for a very indefinite period: the aircraft are needed over Ukraine.

So, even if it were possible to write off the Su-27, alas, it will not work. And the fact that the 27th will definitely last until its combat fortieth/forty-fifth anniversary is beyond doubt today. And not in the role of a decrepit, cheerful old man, this aircraft is still capable of plucking almost any "Eagle" or "Falcon", or tearing off the tail of a "Griffin".

What can you do, Pavel Osipovich knew how to build airplanes.
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  1. +12
    29 August 2025 04: 31
    Another important feature of the T-10 was the implementation of the concept of longitudinal static instability of the aircraft at subsonic flight speeds.

    Unimplemented due to the increased mass of the radar. The PGO was introduced on the Su-30 to achieve longitudinal instability.
    Prototype of the Su-27.

    The T-10 that failed its tests. The author forgot (or didn't know) that the creation of the Su-27 cost the USSR dearly, the F-35 is nowhere near that with its problems at the start. The Su-27, also known as the T-10S, and the T-10 are different machines. The T-10, for which production had already been launched, turned out to be junk and everything had to be started from scratch.
    1. +7
      29 August 2025 05: 17
      Pavel Osipovich knew how to build airplanes.
      They knew how, and they still know how! good
    2. +24
      29 August 2025 06: 01
      The glider was worked on to great effect. But the result was an amazing and beautiful airplane.
      And the Lyulka Design Bureau managed to provide the aircraft being created with an engine fairly quickly. In 1982, it began to be assembled serially.
      The whole country worked on the plane.
      Deepest respect to the creators of such wonderful technology!
      1. +8
        29 August 2025 07: 23
        The USSR had a strong design school and an even stronger production base!
    3. +3
      29 August 2025 09: 20
      Yes, you are right, after the first tests the airframe had to be completely redesigned, unlike our colleagues from the Mikoyan Design Bureau, since the aircraft turned out to be not only equal to the F-15, but even worse. Yes
  2. +1
    29 August 2025 04: 38
    Each aircraft has its own niche in the sky. Our EBN (and under his sensitive leadership VVP, DAM and their clique) successfully destroyed the MIG-31 regiments. As did all air defense in the late 90s, early 2000s.
    1. +4
      29 August 2025 05: 44
      .... successfully destroyed the MiG-31 regiments. You are greatly exaggerating, there were not so many air regiments on the MiG-31, there was nothing to destroy. They cut up, so to speak: MiG-25, Su-15, etc. After the collapse of the Union, the air defense aviation became useless to anyone, like the entire army, in the 90s there was nothing to intercept. I remember from those times the pilot guys, from somewhere in Bezrechnaya, who came from the Su-15 to the Su-24 - and are no longer interceptors, and will never become bombers.
      1. 0
        29 August 2025 05: 51
        Well, and others too. I remember very well the military units of the Leningrad Region, the Karelian Isthmus, Karelia and the Murmansk Region.
      2. +4
        29 August 2025 10: 59
        Quote: bober1982
        ... from those times, the pilot guys who came from the Su-15 to the Su-24...
        It was a wild time, they really knocked on the checkpoint door and asked to take them into the regiment. The air force regiments thrown out of the Western Group of Forces were scattering, so the air defense men were being pulled in... We look for tons of examples of this in history...
        Quote: bober1982
        ... from somewhere in Bezrechnaya..
        .., myself 77th junction switched to 31s, not for long
        1. +5
          29 August 2025 11: 20
          .....
          It was a wild time... (end of quote) From the former Evvaul, they sent lieutenant pilots to the regiment (ZabVO), after graduation they had not flown for years, these were lucky, some, including former instructors, were retrained as navigators (Su-24), and it was both funny and sad.
          1. +4
            29 August 2025 13: 42
            Quote: bober1982
            .. retrained to become navigators (Su-24), and it’s both laughter and sin.
            One day, such a 'buyer' came to us and all the young people wrote reports for a transfer..., and then it turned out that it was in the right cup on the 24th. We were leaving on the same train for vacation, so we had to invite him to a get-together... feel no one transferred anywhere request
  3. +3
    29 August 2025 06: 05
    But the SU-15 and its direct descendants have never had to face off in real combat with either the F-16 or the F-22, much less the F-35 and F-27 (thank God). The closest real chance of this is with the Ukrainian F-16s (but the F-16 modification there is outdated, and the pilots are not very experienced on this particular type, so it is not really an indicator). Or the Indian SU-30s can go toe-to-toe with the F-16 Pak, but both the Pak and the Indian are still the "standard of flying skill", so it is also not really an indicator. Therefore, all disputes about which is cooler are still purely speculative, and in my opinion, it is better to let them remain speculative.
    1. 2al
      +3
      29 August 2025 09: 38
      F-16 shot down on 05.06.25/35/XNUMX near Sumy by Su-XNUMXS
      1. +4
        29 August 2025 09: 53
        Quote: 2al
        F-16 shot down on 05.06.25/35/XNUMX near Sumy by Su-XNUMXS
        So, congratulations!
  4. -2
    29 August 2025 06: 10
    The photo compares the dimensions of the Su-27 and F-15. Visually, the Su-27 is larger. What is the reason for this: technical lag (for example, in electronic components or engines?) or are there other reasons? It seems that the empty weight of the Su-27 is greater. It can be assumed that the carrier-based Su-33 is correspondingly larger and heavier than the carrier-based version of the F-15. This is despite the fact that American aircraft carriers are larger than our Kuzya.
    1. +5
      29 August 2025 06: 49
      Quote: Albert 1975
      larger and heavier than the carrier-based version of the F-15
      The carrier-based version of the F-15, if it ever existed, never went into production. The main carrier-based fighter for gaining air superiority of the 4th generation was initially the F-14, but it was replaced by the more versatile and, most importantly, cheaper to operate F/A-18.
      1. -2
        29 August 2025 06: 52
        Carrier-based version of the F-15N Sea Eagle
        1. +4
          29 August 2025 06: 56
          Quote: Albert 1975
          Carrier-based version of the F-15N Sea Eagle
          did not go beyond the technical proposal.
        2. +8
          29 August 2025 07: 11
          Quote: Albert 1975
          Carrier-based version of the F-15N Sea Eagle

          Remained on paper, as the Navy killed it at the design stage
      2. -4
        29 August 2025 09: 04
        As my late grandmother used to say: "Cheap fish - bad soup". And now, the mattress makers are already very sorry that they cut up the F-14. "Hornet" does not have time to reach the interception line from the "on-deck duty" position due to its performance characteristics. They are saved only by the fact that there is no war.
    2. +8
      29 August 2025 07: 08
      Quote: Albert 1975
      What is the reason for this: a technical lag (for example in electronic components or engines?) or are there other reasons?

      The technical backwardness of the USA, which did not dare to use a fuselageless, statically unstable scheme. The result is that the Su-27 has an advantage in both lift and in the volume of internal fuel tanks, which is its big advantage over the F-15.
      1. +2
        29 August 2025 07: 52
        The US's technological lag

        You are aware that there is a 15 year difference between the F-27 and the Su-10?
        What was flying in the USSR in the mid-70s? Square MiGs?
        1. +12
          29 August 2025 08: 55
          Quote: English tarantass
          You are aware that there is a 15 year difference between the F-27 and the Su-10?

          Actually, the F15 was created in 1969, and the Su-27 - in 1971. The first flight is a 5-year difference
          1. -1
            30 August 2025 12: 17
            First flight - 5 years difference

            The ability to take off is not an indicator of the aircraft's readiness, nor is it an indicator of its final appearance.
            The 15th entered service in the mid-70s, the Sukhoi in the mid-80s.
            1. +5
              30 August 2025 13: 53
              Quote: English tarantass
              The ability to take off is not an indicator of the aircraft's readiness, nor is it an indicator of its final appearance.

              However, it is a fact that the aircraft were created at almost the same time.
              Quote: English tarantass
              The 15th entered service in the mid-70s, the Sukhoi in the mid-80s.

              The fifteenth went into service in 1973, the Su - in 1982, yes, and ours made the Su longer. But as a result of this delay, ours received a more advanced aerodynamic machine for several decades to come.
              1. +1
                31 August 2025 14: 35
                But as a result of this delay, ours received a more aerodynamically advanced machine for several decades to come.

                Undoubtedly.
                I’m talking about that.
                It took longer to do, so it turned out better.
                If you swap these statements, the essence will not change.
    3. +4
      29 August 2025 07: 14
      To begin with, the carrier-based F-15 does not exist in nature. Secondly, in terms of thrust, weight and dimensions of the engine, the Su-27 and F-15 are practically the same. But they are very different in resource. One of the downed Israeli F-15s had engines with different flight hours - more than ten and more than fifteen thousand hours. In general, these aircraft do not differ much in either dry weight or dimensions. But the Su-27 has more fuel in its internal tanks, and its flight range without external tanks is longer. But here we need to take into account one interesting point - their fuel and ours are different. Su-27s filled with American fuel almost crashed when returning home, since both engines stopped at a high altitude, but after gliding to a lower altitude, they started up without problems.
      1. +3
        29 August 2025 07: 22
        Quote: URAL72
        One of the downed Israeli F-15s

        Can you remind me where and when? If my memory serves me right, there have been no combat losses of F-15s so far, and this is almost the main point that sellers emphasize when they try to sell F-15s to potential buyers.
        1. 0
          29 August 2025 08: 58
          To which some potential buyers might reasonably ask: "If the F-15 is so good, why do the non-combat losses of such aircraft (131 units) exceed the number of its aerial victories (104)?
        2. +1
          29 August 2025 09: 26
          You wanted to say "non-combat", because, after all, there were combat ones. Yes
      2. +1
        29 August 2025 10: 14
        You are right, Soviet fuel for turbojet engines is really the best in the world. Especially aviation kerosene of the T-6 brand, which has the highest density, which, taking into account the limited volume of tanks, increases the flight range. And our TS-1 fuel surpasses the American Jet A1 in cloud point, so you can safely fly at a higher altitude on it.
  5. -7
    29 August 2025 06: 25
    Quote: Nagan
    But the SU-15 and its direct descendants have never had to face off in real combat with either the F-16 or the F-22, much less the F-35 and F-27 (thank God). The closest real chance of this is with the Ukrainian F-16s (but the F-16 modification there is outdated, and the pilots are not very experienced on this particular type, so it is not really an indicator). Or the Indian SU-30s can go toe-to-toe with the F-16 Pak, but both the Pak and the Indian are still the "standard of flying skill", so it is also not really an indicator. Therefore, all disputes about which is cooler are still purely speculative, and in my opinion, it is better to let them remain speculative.

    It's very strange to read this from a Jew after the attack by Iran, which has Su-35s in its arsenal.
    1. +8
      29 August 2025 06: 44
      Quote from: mad-max78
      It's very strange to read this from a Jew after the attack by Iran, which has Su-35s in its arsenal.

      First, I am an American. Second, the Jews destroyed the Iranian Su-35s on the ground on the first day (or rather, night) of the war, all 4 that they managed to deliver. So there was no comparison. And even if they had been able to take off, the export (degraded) version of the Su-35, flown by a Persian, had no chance against the Israeli (improved) version of the F-35I Adir, flown by a Jew.
      1. 0
        29 August 2025 07: 09
        An American who left, I understand?
        1. +2
          29 August 2025 07: 10
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          An American who left, I understand?
          You understood it this way.
          1. -4
            29 August 2025 07: 15
            I see.. Why not write, I am Russian - with a passport of the Striped living there? Forgot about the kooni.. Good oh well.
            1. -5
              29 August 2025 08: 52
              Yes, because they are "converted", and they are the most fanatical - they need to earn points.
              1. +2
                29 August 2025 13: 19
                Quote: Bulrumeb
                Yes, because they are "converted", and they are the most fanatical - they need to earn points.

                .Are you sure you know the term used? A convert (a convert, a convert; colloquial, obsolete) is someone who converted to Christianity from another religion.
                1. -1
                  29 August 2025 13: 26
                  I know it no worse than you. In this case, it was not religion that changed, but homeland.
                  1. 0
                    29 August 2025 13: 34
                    Quote: Bulrumeb
                    I know as well as you do.

                    that is, you are deliberately using it incorrectly? Well, ok.. It's your right..
                    Quote: Bulrumeb
                    In this case, it was not religion that changed, but rather his homeland.

                    Well, we don’t have serfdom, for now.. all people are free.. especially as far as I know - the person left the USSR (which doesn’t exist now), and not the Russian Federation..
      2. +3
        29 August 2025 09: 28
        But who is your grandmother's name anyway? And there's no need to be embarrassed about it. Yes
        1. +6
          29 August 2025 09: 57
          And I am not embarrassed. In principle, I have the right to enter Israel under the Law of Return, but fate decreed that I ended up in America, and I am not embarrassed about that either.
  6. 0
    29 August 2025 08: 47
    How pathetic, in comparison with the "sushka" and MiG, the Yakovlev design bureau concept looks, as if it were an aircraft from the early 50s. In general, Alexander Sergeevich did not have much success with military jet aviation
    1. +3
      29 August 2025 10: 02
      Yakovlev actually had an attack aircraft in mind from the very beginning, he just slightly reworked the already completed project to meet the requirements for a fighter. Almost the main argument in favor of Yakovlev's project was that if his project were accepted, the fighter and attack aircraft would be unified to a large extent.
      1. +1
        29 August 2025 13: 45
        Quote: Nagan
        Almost the main argument in favor of Yakovlev's project was that if his project were accepted, the fighter and attack aircraft would be unified to a large extent.
        Not a plus at all (from my point of view): the attack aircraft will be too expensive. The attack aircraft should be durable, cheap and technologically advanced. If it is unified with a fighter, it would be better to make an attack aircraft right away.
        1. +4
          29 August 2025 16: 05
          Quote: bk0010
          The attack aircraft must be durable, cheap and technologically advanced. If it is unified with a fighter, it would be better to make it a strike aircraft right away.

          MiG-23BN. smile
          And still, in the end, we had to divide it into the MiG-23MLD and the MiG-27 with the "Kaira".
          1. +2
            29 August 2025 16: 13
            A fighter-bomber is similar to a ground attack aircraft, but it is not a ground attack aircraft.
    2. +3
      29 August 2025 10: 26
      A.S. Yakovlev was first and foremost a good administrator who felt the party line and only secondly - an aircraft designer. Although there were some successes. The famous Mikoyan firm - MIG is not showing itself very well at the moment either.
  7. -2
    29 August 2025 10: 27
    Nowadays it is common to criticize the domestic aviation industry, saying that everything is slow and expensive. But isn't the example of the implementation of the Soviet Su-27 project an example of a similar phenomenon?
    Two aircraft were created under the Su-27 brand, since the first one turned out to be average. Yes, the country had both personnel and money at that time. But such wastefulness in the military sphere was one of the reasons for the economic crisis in the USSR. And this was not only in aviation, but also in tank building, rocket building, and other areas.
    1. +7
      29 August 2025 10: 36
      Two aircraft were created under the Su-27 brand.
      Su-27 is a serial index, and there is only one aircraft. And the fact that thanks to the Internet it suddenly became known about the existence of several types of prototypes does not mean anything in terms of serial production. And several "unsuccessful" prototypes are a natural price to pay when something fundamentally new is created, and there is no getting away from it. And if we adhere to the principle of economy in the development of military equipment, then it was necessary to fly piston aircraft!
      1. +3
        29 August 2025 14: 40
        You are absolutely right. And there is nothing to add.
    2. +1
      29 August 2025 14: 58
      Under the brand name Su-27 two aircraft were created, since the first one turned out to be average. Yes, the country had both personnel and money. But psuch waste in the military sphere was one of the reasons for the economic crisis in the USSR.

      there were no computers or programs for them yet, on which it was possible to simulate the main parameters/processes of a new development...
      everything was done (decisions were made) based on the experience gained by the designers, so there were bound to be mistakes...
      1. -1
        29 August 2025 17: 07
        everything was done (decisions were made) based on the experience gained by the designers, so there were bound to be mistakes...

        The T-10 was not a mistake, but it was not an outstanding aircraft either. Correcting such "mistakes" is very expensive.
      2. +1
        29 August 2025 17: 12
        We have computers and programs now, but planes... Maybe it's not about the computers, but who sits behind them?
    3. -1
      30 August 2025 08: 11
      Quote: Pavel57
      But such wastefulness in the military sphere was one of the reasons for the economic crisis in the USSR. And this was not only in aviation, but also in tank building, rocket building, and other areas.


      No, it's not connected at all. What went into R&D was mere pennies on a national scale.
      And the most wasteful were and remain the USA. There less than 4% of R&D reaches practical application and serial production.

      What special resources went into developing the Su-27, which in a different scenario could have been used to produce consumer goods? And have you heard or read about dual-use technologies?
  8. -2
    29 August 2025 11: 01
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote from: mad-max78
    It's very strange to read this from a Jew after the attack by Iran, which has Su-35s in its arsenal.

    First, I am an American. Second, the Jews destroyed the Iranian Su-35s on the ground on the first day (or rather, night) of the war, all 4 that they managed to deliver. So there was no comparison. And even if they had been able to take off, the export (degraded) version of the Su-35, flown by a Persian, had no chance against the Israeli (improved) version of the F-35I Adir, flown by a Jew.

    It's surprising to hear from a person of Jewish descent that he is American, does your birth certificate issued in the USSR state your nationality as American, or are you an American today, a Jew tomorrow, then you get tired of it all, come back and become Russian? It turns out that your nationality is an inconstant thing and depends on circumstances )))
    In the USSR and the Russian Federation, for example, the concepts of a Jew and a Jewish person were different concepts; in the rest of the world, on the contrary, a Jew is a Jew and they cannot be separated from each other.
    And you so deftly slipped past the Jew without specifying your religious affiliation and became an American.
    Regarding the Su-35s destroyed on the ground, when they were destroyed the photo recording did not work, do you have any proof?
    There is no point in arguing about the superiority of Israeli pilots; they can even out-fight the Americans under equal conditions, but you will never fight with an open fight like ours do, not because you can’t, but because you won’t.
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      29 August 2025 13: 28
      Quote from: mad-max78
      It turns out that your nationality is an inconstant thing and depends on circumstances )))

      I think the passport of a person is called by the country it belongs to.. which is true.. he has an American one.. in the Russian Federation - also only Russians officially, regardless of religion hi
      Quote from: mad-max78
      Regarding the Su-35s destroyed on the ground, when they were destroyed the photo recording did not work, do you have any proof?

      If they weren't destroyed, then they were hidden... so they wouldn't be shot down... so that's it? So-so use of weapons...
      Quote from: mad-max78
      but you will never fight with an open battle like ours do

      And what does it mean in modern aviation to fight with an open visor?
    2. 0
      30 August 2025 15: 32
      Well, yes. If he is an American, yes, and also has the right to Israeli citizenship, then that means he is categorically and fundamentally wrong in everything.
  9. +3
    29 August 2025 11: 04
    Quote: Hexenmeister
    Two aircraft were created under the Su-27 brand.
    Su-27 is a serial index, and there is only one aircraft. And the fact that thanks to the Internet it suddenly became known about the existence of several types of prototypes does not mean anything in terms of serial production. And several "unsuccessful" prototypes are a natural price to pay when something fundamentally new is created, and there is no getting away from it. And if we adhere to the principle of economy in the development of military equipment, then it was necessary to fly piston aircraft!

    The existence of the T-10 was known even before the Internet era, and not only to specialists. The principle of economy does not mean that you need to fly piston aircraft, but many costs and expected results can be estimated before building an aircraft in metal.
    The T-10 was ready for production in Komsomolsk, and its conversion to the T-10S was expensive, since the later changes are made to the project, the more expensive they are.
    1. +1
      29 August 2025 11: 54
      The existence of the T-10 was known even before the Internet era, and not only to specialists.
      Apparently the newspaper "Pravda" printed separate copies about him especially for you.
      T-10 was ready for production in Komsomolsk
      What other series for an aircraft that has not passed tests??? The serial plant was always used for manufacturing experimental aircraft in small launches, with documentation changing from launch to launch.
      1. 0
        29 August 2025 13: 10
        What other series for an aircraft that has not passed tests??? The serial plant was always used for manufacturing experimental aircraft in small launches, with documentation changing from launch to launch.

        The tooling at the serial plant was laid down at the testing stage. This was a common practice. But when instead of the T-10 we got a practically new T-10S aircraft, the tooling had to be redone.
        1. +2
          29 August 2025 14: 46
          the equipment had to be redone
          Well, that's the fate of a serial plant! Do you think that because of ready-made equipment, an airplane that does not meet the requirements of the technical specifications should be put into production??? I think that after that so many changes were made that everyone forgot about it a year later.
      2. +2
        29 August 2025 16: 11
        Quote: Hexenmeister
        What other series for an aircraft that has not passed tests???

        The commentators are simply confusing the series and the pilot batch. In Komsomolsk-on-Amur, 10 aircraft of the pilot batch were supposed to be built. And then the results of the T-10 tests (problems with aerodynamics and non-compliance with the technical specifications) and data on the F-15 arrived.
  10. +3
    29 August 2025 11: 54
    Moreover, even in two iterations, the Su-27S (serial) in the Air Force units...

    From the moment I met this machine, I thought that the Su-27С - it means "martial". Well, okay, the author knows better.
  11. +4
    29 August 2025 12: 36
    Interesting article. As I understand, Roma Skomorokhov is a kind of collective author. I have already written if the term prototype is used instead of the term prototype (as well as experimental), then the author does not know, does not understand how R&D and R&D are conducted and, in general, what it is. The second point, in my opinion, the differences between the T-10 and the T10S are not so great as to say that when mastering serial production, everything had to be done again. Since, being a lieutenant, I personally disassembled (disposed of) the T-1984, the fourth machine in the experimental series, in 10. And the nose cone (made of duralumin) from it was installed on the T-10, just on the machine with the registration number 10, which is in the photo. And the nose cone from the 10th machine was stolen for the T-10, which was transferred to KVVIAU, and on the way they hit it against a pole. Therefore, I had to use ingenuity, I turned the PVD from a brass blank, the dimensions were taken from the Su-25. The generals liked it. The differences from memory are the ogive wing without slats, the vertical stabilizers are in the middle of the frames, the front landing gear support is in the front part of the bay, the canopy rolls back, the landing gear bay doors act as brake flaps. Compared to the MiG-29, the Su-27 design is on a different level. The MiG-29 is the level of the MiG-21, plus or minus. And so I remembered my youth. It happened in the VVIA named after N.E. Zhukovsky.
    1. 0
      29 August 2025 17: 53
      Quote: DWG1905
      The second point, in my opinion, the differences between the T-10 and the T10S are not so great that we can say that when mastering serial production, everything had to be done anew.

      Is it?


      Quote: DWG1905
      Compared to the MiG-29, the Su-27 design is on a different level. The MiG-29 is the level of the MiG-21, plus or minus.

      Does the MiG-21 have fiberglass fuel tanks and fins?
      1. +2
        29 August 2025 19: 21
        Quote: DWG1905
        Compared to the MiG-29, the Su-27 design is on a different level. The MiG-29 is the level of the MiG-21, plus or minus.
        I think my colleague means that using the basic base of the 3rd generation, they created an aircraft with the capabilities of the 4th: after all, the 29s are good old hydromechanics. The 27 is the EDSU. And wing of complex planform both of them..
        1. +3
          29 August 2025 21: 03
          The Su-27 has a control system only in the longitudinal channel, lateral and directional control via rods and rockers. But the F-15 has longitudinal control with mechanical wiring and nothing, it flies...
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  13. +1
    29 August 2025 13: 46
    Quote: B-15
    And the Lyulka Design Bureau managed to provide the aircraft being created with an engine quite quickly.

    And now former KGB General Chemezov wants to sell aircraft engines to China. And the "geochastman" approves. What will we fight with ourselves?
  14. 0
    29 August 2025 13: 56
    Quote: 2 level advisor

    Quote from: mad-max78
    but you will never fight with an open visor like ours do

    And what does it mean in modern aviation to fight with an open visor?

    Do you know about the operation "Rimon 20"? If you don't know, then I advise you to study the methods and tactics of the Jewish pilots' battles. If you know about this operation, then why are you asking this question?
  15. 0
    29 August 2025 22: 42
    The Su-27SM3 modification, which is gradually being applied to aircraft in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces and naval aviation



    What kind of fairy tales are they telling here about
    Su-27SM3, only one squadron of 12 units were produced.
    In 2011, the Sukhoi company delivered 12 new Su-27SM3 fighters to the Russian Air Force, completing the state defense order for the production of such aircraft.
    1. 0
      30 August 2025 10: 34
      I meant the airframe design, the Su-27 has an "adult" center section. The planes are attached using a fitting (a joint between two power ribs with holes for bolts). And the MiG-29 has lugs. From my point of view, the MiG-29 airframe design is a step back from the MiG-23. Maybe they wanted to make the plane simpler and cheaper. There is no one to ask. And regarding the composites in the MiG-29, they started well, they even made the air intake pipe out of it. Only it started to collapse with the corresponding consequences for the engine. That is why it all ended with keels. I am skeptical about composites - there are many hemorrhoids, the effect is questionable, and we have not yet learned how to make composites, read about the MS-21. Still, the future belongs to ultra-pure metals and alloys. The raw material base of the future is space, there are as many metals as you want, but not much raw material for composites.
      1. 0
        30 August 2025 15: 36
        The wing-center section joint on the Sukhoi is very technologically advanced and good. Then this idea migrated to the Be-200. With minor changes. Technologically even better. But perhaps it is simply because a seaplane does not need to do aerobatics.
  16. -1
    29 October 2025 20: 54
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: 2al
    F-16 shot down on 05.06.25/35/XNUMX near Sumy by Su-XNUMXS
    So, congratulations!

    Doesn't the 20-25 year difference in aircraft development bother you? And their armaments, respectively?