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Will the labor market be transparent?

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New data on unemployment in Russia recently published Rosstat. The results of the study showed that March 2013 of the year turned out to be, if I may say so, fruitful for employment in various sectors of the economy. Rosstat specialists released data showing that unemployment in our country in March fell by 9,5% and stopped at the final mark of 5,7% of the total number of economically active citizens.


Here it is immediately necessary to make an explanation about what the economically active population is. In our country, these are able-bodied citizens between the ages of 15 and 72 years (by world standards: from 10 to 72 years), including the unemployed. So, this is the most economically active population of Russia today is almost 53% of the total number of Russian citizens, or slightly more than 75 million people in absolute units. It turns out that 5,7% of the unemployed is nothing less than 4,3 million people. At the same time, the same Rosstat publishes information according to which only 1,1 million unemployed people are registered in state employment centers. If so, then another 3,2 million people in Russia remain unregistered unemployed, but at the same time the statistical agencies were able to identify them using a cunning method.

At the same time, the deputy chairman of the Russian government, Olga Golodets, remains in the opinion that the indicated number of unemployed people cannot be compared with the number of Russians who, according to her, “work in an unknown place and do not pay taxes”. Mrs. Golodets, using an even more cunning method, calculated that in our country there are millions of such “unknown” 38 workers - that is, more than half of the same economically active population of Russia. At the same time, Olga Yurievna did not reveal the secrets of how she managed to get exactly 38 million people. But from her promise, it is clear that the government is thinking about how to return these “gray Russians” who earn money, but do not pay taxes, into a “light” direction. And if we start from the figure that the Deputy Prime Minister voiced (38 million people), then there is, as they say, room for action. Only with what levers the government will return the Russians to such a “bright” army, so far it remains only to guess.

Let's try to figure out specific examples.

An example of the first.

A major or minor official works in his position and receives N rubles for his work. However, N rubles for a full-fledged life does not suit him, and he decides to open a business that brings him income in the form of 100N rubles. Only now the official has to urgently restructure his business as a son-in-law or great-nephew so that there are no inconsistencies with the recently adopted law banning business for Russian bureaucratic elites of various levels. And in order not to pay a full tax on 100N-ruble profits, open another five-another companies that report a total of not RUR 100N, but about N / 100 rubles. It helps them to make such a remarkable report in all respects by the official himself, who is vitally interested in the work of this scheme and therefore covers the scheme as much as it can.

So it turns out that he (the hypothetical official) is one of those 38 of millions of Russians who were “identified” by Olga Golodets. But only to unleash this whole chain of firms, designed for son-in-law and uncles, with the intensity of the work of the investigating and controlling bodies that is taking place today, it will take so much time and money that it’s easier to spit on all these tricks with tax evasion schemes. Often, this is what happens: they say, let the deputy, the governor or the minister work “no one knows where” except his main office, but let everything look calm on the surface. Only isolated cases become public knowledge, and these cases are then exaggerated in the absence of anything else.

This method of defamation of income from various levels of officials also includes an option that just a few days ago surfaced in the media. ITAR-TASS cites information that, before reporting on income, about three dozen Duma deputies divorced their wives. It remains to be wondered whether there was a massive crisis of family relations among the deputies of the State Duma, or parting with the wives for the reason that the income of these deputy wives is simply indecent to demonstrate to the general public. And the second option in this situation looks more likely.

Example of the second.

The mechanic Sidorov works at the factory and gets X (please do not confuse X with the Old Slavonic version of reading this letter). From his "X" he regularly pays tax. However, the thought also occurred to him that X is not enough, and he finds a “gray” job - well, on a vise, “bombs” on his “seven” at night. But the hands of the controlling authorities may well get to Sidorov’s locksmith, because with the work of his “taxi” it causes irreparable damage to the country's economy ... Although Sidorov would not have bombed at all if his work were somewhat more adequate to the quality and quantity of the work.
That is why many specialists in the labor market say that in recent times legal employees have been literally squeezed out of enterprises, preferring to use illegal labor. For extrusion, you can create all the conditions: the salary to the level of plinth - they say, he will leave. And with an illegal modern employer, and less worries: do not pay taxes, do not pay out social programs (no sick or holiday pay to you). Unless with labor inspection it is necessary to maintain appropriate communications. On this basis, labor markets and are saturated with people who work without any documentary evidence of their employment, and a significant percentage is given to illegal immigrants from abroad who are willing to work for less money.

On the issue of attracting migrants to the Russian labor market, Olga Golodets also spoke out. This time, her position causes a positive reaction. She stated, quote:

First of all, it is necessary to create conditions for comfortable living, good jobs with high salaries for Russian citizens. If this continues in the future (we are talking about attracting labor migrants to Russia), then we can become dependent on other countries and on the availability of foreign workers.


And so that “this way” does not continue, it is time for our government to proceed from real calculations of the “gray” labor market to real matters, thanks to which the labor of a Russian who wants to work will be assessed, as expected, without prejudice, for example, for his vital needs. And then, judging by the statistics, in our country, it’s not the level of education, qualifications and labor productivity of a citizen that affects the level of wages, but the geographical location of his place of work. So the average salary in Russia is indicated in the amount of 27 thousand rubles, and, for example, in Moscow - 52,5 thousand. Is selling shoes or kneading concrete in Moscow many times harder than in Bryansk or Saratov ...
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. April 19 2013 08: 51 New
    0
    Let at least a little in order.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 19 2013 09: 04 New
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      Quote: Nikolay S.
      Let at least a little in order.

      They will never lead, under the current leadership. It’s easier to steal in troubled waters, and the current ones can’t live without it. The thief’s needle was hooked.
      1. krasin
        krasin April 19 2013 10: 00 New
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        So the average salary in Russia is indicated in the amount of 27 thousand rubles, and, for example, in Moscow - 52,5 thousand. Is selling shoes or mixing concrete in Moscow much more difficult than in Bryansk or Saratov ...
        In the USSR In Moscow, the janitor received 250-300 rubles, the driver of an electric train 300-400 rubles. With an average salary of 120 rubles. It always has been, money flows to Moscow from all over Russia, and where they share it and give it. Most recently, Muscovites yelled that they alone work, and Russia drinks-This is over arrogance. Nowhere are there such earnings as in Moscow and supplements to retirement-Moscow supplement of more than 10t.r. It remains only to be happy for the Muscovites. And please be careful with our money! angry
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 19 2013 12: 16 New
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          Quote: krasin
          So the average salary in Russia is indicated in the amount of 27 thousand rubles, and, for example, in Moscow - 52,5 thousand.

          And in the Ivanovo region 13,5 thousand.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. April 19 2013 12: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: krasin
            So the average salary in Russia is indicated in the amount of 27 thousand rubles, and, for example, in Moscow - 52,5 thousand.

            And in the Ivanovo region 13,5 thousand.


            By the Ivanovo region can be attached to this indicator half of Russia. And therefore, I propose to declare a referendum on the accession of Moscow to Russia, this state in a state with about 10% of the population and 50% of the economy. Oh dreams, dreams ....
        2. Sibiryak
          Sibiryak April 19 2013 12: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: krasin
          So the average salary in Russia is indicated in the amount of 27 thousand rubles

          The average salary is a very interesting thing, which people constantly brainwash! And the most interesting thing is they are being led on this.
        3. Garrin
          Garrin April 19 2013 12: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: krasin
          and, for example, in Moscow - 52,5 thousand.

          This is taking into account dollar billionaires, apparently. The average temperature in the hospital. laughing
          1. krasin
            krasin April 19 2013 15: 31 New
            0
            No government wants to have close by, in the capital, belay crowd of alligarchs and crowds of rogues. That's what regulates! winked
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv April 19 2013 16: 07 New
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              Krasin don’t rubbish, nobody in the capital regulates anything. I stopped by Rublevka to work, and so the oligarchs and government residences and labor migrants get alongside them perfectly. Moreover, the latter rent housing there and bring their brothers, wives, mother-in-law . I don’t think that many locals can rent housing there.
              1. krasin
                krasin April 19 2013 16: 37 New
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                You want to say that the oligarchs and government residences and labor migrants coexist perfectly. Moreover, the latter rent housing there and bring brothers, wives, mother-in-law, without such earnings, they would rent housing on Rublevka ??. Earnings of municipal workers are artificially high. and to retirement + Luzhkov supplement. I only want to say this.
                In Moscow, there is a lot of temptations not on the periphery. And once again, no government wants to have a crowd of alligarchs and a crowd of poor people close by, in the capital. hi The standard of living in the capital is higher than in Russia. I said everything! stop
                1. Mhpv
                  Mhpv April 19 2013 20: 54 New
                  0
                  Well, do not sculpt a hunchback if you are seduced or annoyed by the standard of living in Moscow, come earn
                  In Moscow, you can see such a number of homeless people hopping in the periphery for sure you will not meet.
                  You are not comparing the scale, but the temptations of all kinds, I have already fully spoken and in Krasnodar and Samara and other major cities, looked shook.
                  1. Ivan.
                    Ivan. April 19 2013 22: 52 New
                    +1
                    In Moscow, you can see such a number of homeless people hopping in the periphery for sure you will not meet

                    And I wonder why the homeless prefer Moscow?
                    You are both right and partly in my opinion, life is always more complicated than our ideas.
                  2. Denis
                    Denis April 20 2013 00: 32 New
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                    Quote: mhpv
                    Well, do not sculpt a hunchback if you are seduced or annoyed by the standard of living in Moscow, come earn
                    Is that said in common sense?
                    A small, someone even insignificant question. And where to live, to shoot for the joy of not having come over? Nah ...
                    Recently such a nonsense was voiced by one ... (to be more precise, the rules of the site are forbidden) from the min-va of social development. She sincerely wondered why people didn’t want to move from depressed places. Yeah, they were waiting, waiting for it and were ready to provide housing right away. Is she smart?
                    1. Mhpv
                      Mhpv April 20 2013 08: 29 New
                      -5
                      Maybe you still need to buy tickets to Moscow and back.
                      You expressed yourself in the proverb "give gov .... on, give a spoon"
                      1. Denis
                        Denis April 20 2013 20: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: mhpv
                        Maybe you still have tickets to Moscow
                        I do not wish, alas, in the capital, looking at this (see the picture) is disgusting. Or do they slander, vile ones?
                        When reading this, is it interesting for a long time whether they became indigenous to steel, even though a couple of years have passed or months?
                      2. Mhpv
                        Mhpv April 20 2013 21: 43 New
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                        Denis, you are again on the principle that when the arguments end, the minuses go (I do not care) and the next blunders. You started for health, but finished the funeral. Moscow infuriates you, but you yourself are afraid of it judging by the picture. Yes, Denis has many temptations, but here you need to be able to separate the husk from the chaff. For you, I inform you that I’m not a Muscovite, I’m a "zamkadysh" and have been living here for a long time, given that I have two sons 15 and 9let, I do not pretend to be a Muscovite; You don’t like the fact that I am protesting your stupid remarks against Moscow residents, so I told you, come try to work, but don’t forget that there are no parents nearby, there are no friends, there isn’t the housing you have provided so much for you. "Yeah, they’ll wait everywhere, and are ready to provide housing right away. Is she smart?", and even migrants somehow find it and not asking the ministers for it. Your position is better to spray gall on Moscow and its inhabitants, this is how Russia lives. Learn to respect people, as well as any city or region of your choice ..
                        Do you want to say that where you live there are no thieving officials who are fattening or merchant businessmen?
                        I don’t want to have a dialogue with you like that anymore, I told you everything and this is my opinion.
                        If you are interested in Moscow, its life and residents write an article and then there will be a topic for everyone and not an empty ring
                      3. Denis
                        Denis April 21 2013 00: 35 New
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                        I will try to argue the point of view
                        Quote: mhpv
                        the housing you want so much to provide you
                        This is from a different topic, it's about how far they are from the Decembrist people, so that they ... Ie. since there is no bread eat bread
                        People lived and worked somewhere, and then the disaster crept unnoticed. Everything was very quickly seized and destroyed, the work did not have all the catastrophic consequences (I’m not terrifying, you see it yourself), and now the very thing that surfaced, plundered and destroyed advises to leave housing, often the only thing left from a past life
                        sprinkle bile on Moscow and residents
                        Residents have nothing to do with it, but the authorities and deputies are differently associated with the capital
                        just don’t forget that there aren’t parents nearby,
                        I will not forget, they were not anywhere
                        You want to say that where you live there are no thieving officials
                        This g ... everywhere more than necessary, even Moscow often deliver. It is a pity what is
                        write an article
                        Alas, I can not
                        And about minus as an argument not to me
                        And I'm not afraid of Moscow, I assure you that it’s not so wild
    2. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic April 19 2013 14: 33 New
      +3
      The opinion that all Muscovites are furious with fat is a fallacy. Personally, I know many Moscow school teachers earning 15000 rubles / month of university professors as associate professors with a salary of 6000 rubles / month, engineers with a salary of 12000-15000 rubles. And the list goes on. The maximum pension for a working pensioner in my department is 13000 rubles. The bottom line is that high salaries in schools are for directors (100000 rubles) and their close associates (70000 rubles), and the rest have 15–20 thousand. In Universities, the main staff is pensioners .... And everywhere it is .... Management, relatives and close ones live like sweet things everywhere, and the rest - by the residual sign!
      As for the stupid migrant "workforce" who does not want to work, but "which Russia needs so much" is beneficial to those who feed on it. And each of you in your region sees this.
      Over the past 10 years, all Russian-speaking construction crews, janitors have been "eliminated" in Moscow, plumbers and electricians are being squeezed out. The medical staff of the district polyclinics is intensively equipped with people from Asia and the Caucasus. Shops, markets, services, etc. - everything is actively filled not by the local population. Ours, again, are actively squeezed out of their workplaces.
      Again, talk about the departure of capital abroad. We will not take into account those who "made" their capital. Two million migrants in Moscow, let’s say they transfer at least $ 100 a month to their countries. It is easy to calculate the amount floating abroad. In fact, you yourself understand, the amounts transferred by each migrant are higher, and there are 10 million migrants throughout Russia. Draw conclusions. Here you have the means and jobs for the Russians, and subject to strictly regulated hourly pay and control over the implementation, the problem is solved without great difficulties.
      But to someone it is very unprofitable, so that this is not decided.
      And all this is done intentionally and well thought out!
      Namely against us .....
      1. Denis
        Denis April 19 2013 23: 28 New
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        Quote: Egor.nic
        The opinion that all Muscovites are furious with fat is a fallacy.
        It’s very possible. They screamed about those who had come, their own non-Gastrikas, they had the same opinion about them, more often than not I heard and heard from the same ones. like any converts
    3. Spike
      Spike April 21 2013 23: 41 New
      -1
      Moscow was always fed !!!
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 19 2013 10: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    The thief’s needle was hooked.

    Well, you can change fellow and transplant, do not want to help !!!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 19 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      Well, so it’s possible and for how long to transfer fellow and transplanted, we will help without reluctance !!!

      With great pleasure drinks
      (Here I put an emoticon and immediately remembered that today is a typos repeat. Oh! would rather put a car.)
  3. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 19 2013 23: 15 New
    0
    we have hidden unemployment. After the closure, the IP went to the exchange. Ipshniks are not registered, and if they are - 850 rubles allowance, and after a day to go - they will be offered by the janitor - if they refuse, they will immediately be taken off the register ...
  • Civil
    Civil April 19 2013 09: 18 New
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    Example 3, he is the main:
    Huckster recruits workers for a trial period of 3 months, and so every quarter.
    Huckster does not draw up workers at all.
    The huckster does not hire people under 25 and older than 35, it is not profitable, the young people do not know anything, the old ones are sick and can not cope.

    Demographic example 4:
    1. It is more profitable to take Asians - they ask for less money at times, work seven days a week, there are no problems with labor disputes.
    2. up to 30 years, unemployment is up to 50%.
    1. Komodo
      Komodo April 19 2013 14: 07 New
      +4
      For example, I open an LLC, I try not to pay taxes: I prefer cash, I operate with “signs” (left LLCs) with various forms of paying taxes, I don’t formalize workers, I don’t pay social programs, explaining that: “90% percent of you will not live to retire. " When foreign labor is needed, I don’t knock out the quota, but just pay the FMS for 6-10 tr. per month for each Chinese, Korean worker. Ltd. open, go bankrupt and close. The state is paid a penny. All of my staff: "working in the unknown where and at the same time does not pay taxes." If I am legalized, I’ll go bankrupt, stop developing, my workers are impoverished, we are in trouble ... but by checks. It’s easier to close right away.
      Of those 38 million, the majority of such cases. .
  • Tartary
    Tartary April 19 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    I’ve been writing in various resources for the dark years, and Putin and Medvedev wrote on websites that it is necessary to establish a minimum hourly wage.
    How surprised he was when the "paratrooper" from Just Russia shouted about the same thing in the election debate for the post of President of the Russian Federation ...
    The minimum hourly wage will make it possible to solve several serious problems that cannot be solved today.
    But VAT is either very straightforward to make small, or to completely abandon this tax, or to include in the base of calculation of VAT - wages (Wages) ...

    Yesterday, Ampilov was talking about this with Solovyov, but he somehow mumbled directly and could not explain anything - neither on the topic of the program, nor in life ...
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali April 20 2013 16: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      I’ve been writing in various resources for the dark years, and Putin and Medvedev wrote on websites that it is necessary to establish a minimum hourly wage.

      Ay, golden words! For example, in 2011 in Japan, the hourly rate for an unskilled worker was 821 yen, which translated into "evergreen" at the then rate gave us about $ 10, but for our relatives, respectively, approx. 300 rub 2400 rubles per day for, I specially note unskilled working quite well.
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 19 2013 09: 08 New
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    “They“ bomb ”their“ sevens ”at night. Here, the hands of controlling bodies can reach locksmith Sidorov, because he causes irreparable damage to the country's economy by the work of his“ taxi ”..." " if we take into account that comrade Sidorov needs to register as an individual entrepreneur and pay to the pension fund of the Russian Federation without taxes ... 36 thousand rubles annually !!! This means that the sidors should unfasten the state for its small hobby 100 rubles per day, including weekends and holidays, regardless he works or sits at home))) Yes, and let the sidors not forget to pay taxes! Welcome to SIDOR Small Business!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 19 2013 10: 44 New
      +5
      "Is selling shoes or kneading concrete in Moscow much more difficult than in Bryansk or Saratov ..."
      Kneading concrete even 150 km from Moscow is already at least 2-3 times more fun and easier. wink
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik April 19 2013 23: 23 New
      0
      and you can’t touch a trillion tabouretkin bait ....
  • Denis
    Denis April 19 2013 09: 08 New
    +7
    unemployment in our country in March fell by 9,5% and stopped at a total mark of 5,7% of the total number of economically active citizens
    Where is it in Moscow? As these non-traditional in some regions and 100% love to express themselves, all enterprises are seized and stolen there, and which other gastric-breathing companies are more profitable. Brains soar with the average temperature in the hospital
    At the same time, the deputy chairman of the Russian government, Olga Golodets, remains of the opinion that the indicated number of unemployed cannot be compared with the number of Russians who, in her words, “work in the middle of nowhere and do not pay taxes”
    Okay, taxes would go to medicine or the army, people don’t want to feed parasites
    Why do those who set the cost of living live on the cost of living themselves?
  • T-130
    T-130 April 19 2013 09: 19 New
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    All this is nonsense! It’s just that people don’t register on the stock exchange because there is no point, hence the decrease in unemployment. I don’t understand how unemployment can decrease if enterprises close more than they open!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 19 2013 09: 44 New
      +1
      3 IPESHNIKOV closed in the first 360 months of the year
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin April 19 2013 09: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: T-130
      it closes more than it opens!

      Like an echo of the WTO? I remember someone who once voiced the terrible figure of hundreds of thousands of small and medium-sized enterprises, but if that were the case, then we will see an increase in unemployment. Here in the US, unemployment is rising! The EU is growing unemployment! In our country, this is more of a restructuring than what you thought.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    Deputy Prime Minister OLD WALTER OLD big dreamer and dreamer-dug up somewhere around 38000000 gray Russians and wants to tax them with his tax - this we have already passed several times.
    In KREMLIN, ministers seem to live like on the MOON, and they prefer to look at us with binoculars.
    It is necessary to start this revolutionary DAMA FROM CYPRUS or the BAGHAM ISLANDS- THERE ARE LIES of money for our thieves in law not taxed in RUSSIA.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 April 19 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    For more than 20 years, we have not had a labor market, dig these employment centers deeper and you will see there no worse than in the Moscow Region
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 19 2013 10: 14 New
      +2
      For all that is happening in the country, the authorities are responsible:

      For example, I worked at the employment center for a year in 2003. So employees get a penny, to the state. employees were not treated, the corresponding benefits were not used. Then quite often advertisements were funny, we took men for a seasonal job for a construction site (in another region), s / n by the standards of the time for the outback was not very bad. Now with the predominance of migrants such ads probably will not see.
      Are the employees of the centers to blame? Are they guilty that labor laws are bad or not enforced?
    2. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak April 19 2013 12: 35 New
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      dig these employment centers deeper and you will see there no worse than in the Moscow Region

      Digging is necessary not in employment centers but in the ministry to which they relate! And about the salary of the workers of these centers to you zvereoktold the truth.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 19 2013 09: 32 New
    +5
    after all, by the work of his “taxi” it causes irreparable damage to the country's economy ...

    Oh, these Sidorovs, and what to do with them. Instead of developing the economy of "democratic Europe" by exporting money to Western banks, they leave everything to themselves. What are they all the same ...
  • Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 April 19 2013 09: 37 New
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    After being fired, I tried to get a job. And he was surprised to understand that no one needs us in his line. Neither we, nor our families, taxes, deductions ... And what the "iPhone holders" and their subordinates are trying to tell the zombie about is pure bullshit. But they still want to raise their retirement age ... I understand that a pipe dream is impossible, but they would shoot bastards.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 19 2013 09: 57 New
      +2
      You are absolutely right, unfortunately.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 19 2013 10: 55 New
        -9
        Quote: Shkodnik65
        tried to get a job. And he was surprised to understand that no one needs us in his line.

        So you got a job or not? Specifically, write YES HAS BEEN USED or NO HAS NOT BEEN USED and sit on the neck of my wife or parents.
        in your comment, the most important thing is not disclosed - you work or not. I think you work, and get a real salary, but still not happy.

        ps - mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat cactus wassat
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 19 2013 10: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          ps - mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat wassat cactus

          Do not ascribe other people's words to me. Read carefully what is written above, or learn to insert quotes.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. April 19 2013 11: 15 New
      0
      Neither we nor our families, taxes, deductions

      - In my opinion, this is the goal set for our state by their task of building a consumer society in our country, that is, completely controlled. Dissociation, individualism, wolf laws in society through a conflict of interests and ignoring the needs of the people. In the West, it’s not the state that adjusts to the needs of citizens, but citizens under “common European values” and “progress” in the minds of people there. The ultimate goal of globalization.
    3. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      In the employment center pensioners of law enforcement agencies, as unemployed are not registered! According to the Federal Law of the Russian Federation. They are people of 2 grades, because they "spoil" reporting on the number of unemployed.
    4. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 19 2013 14: 39 New
      +1
      I remember that even a whole program existed for the training and employment of retired officers. And maybe now she is somewhere? AU? Where are you program? (and especially the money allocated to it)
  • svskor80
    svskor80 April 19 2013 09: 43 New
    +3
    And when the wave of struggle against the “gray” economy goes, Sidorov will be caught and declared the cause of the incapacity of the Russian economy.
  • max-02215
    max-02215 April 19 2013 09: 53 New
    +2
    And yet, that somehow to shape yourself, you need to go through a hemorrhoid, parodox, I do not need it, this is necessary for the state. And it’s easier for the state to cry, now, damn it. how gray they are, not patriotic, than just making a notification system, what would b. I am . without hassle, queues and various references. handwritten arbitrarily wrote a statement. what am I. such and such is engaged in such and such activities. in which I am notifying you. The same will begin - and suddenly. and suddenly, well then, consider us gray and on. I wouldn’t tell you. which is a pleasure, but I paid taxes, but I don’t want to kill time for all kinds of decorations, neither the time nor the extra money to pay for the design companies. So this situation suits the state
  • zvereok
    zvereok April 19 2013 09: 54 New
    +5
    Shuvalov sang out of the box that they’ve gone too far in the fight against corruption. Serdyukov is mumbled by how much, but he is still a witness. The trial has already passed over Navalny, the Gudkovs and the “s” were mixed in the shortest possible time. Conclusion, the government did not fight corruption, but the opposition, now that people have calmed down, the fight banners can be curtailed. The state itself is a people in itself.
  • smel
    smel April 19 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    Weak with the examples. Go to the clothing market in any town. Look at who and how much they sit there, drink tea and solve puzzles. In the security structures at any counter and any store, try to find a crowd of men. In sales offices in the form of supervisors, merchandisers, agents, etc. And then try to calculate what percentage really works in our country, and does not sit or stand with an earphone in your ear
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      Market economy - the salary in the market is higher than in the factory. In the employment center announcement: welders, milling machines, universal turners are required. Rank 5-6 SALARY FROM 10 000 rubles (this means 8 7000 with this working day at least 9 hours, and if necessary more, including weekends), social. package - (go 2 times a quarter to the sick-list, they will ask you to quit, you don’t want fines, min salary, reprimands - dismissal). "Don't like quit; it's the turn behind the fence." With 6th grade, they are accepted as a student. In the future, they promise the assignment of 2,3, etc., but above 2 times. do not appropriate. In the USSR, a milling worker of the 6th category earned more than the shop manager, now several times, or even tens of times less!
    2. Denis
      Denis April 19 2013 23: 54 New
      0
      Quote: smel
      Weak with the examples. Go to the clothing market in any town. Look at who and how much they sit there, drink tea and solve puzzles.
      Also not a strong example. I saw many places where people are happy to work, but nowhere. Everything is seized and collapsed, and not everyone can go to work from home and family
  • Whole
    Whole April 19 2013 10: 16 New
    +5
    The bureaucratic apparatus is inflated to an incredible size, the officials are huge. There are not even seven with a spoon, but all 100. The age of resale, and according to the old speculation, is probably coming to an end. And then what? The official does nothing to feed him? Pensioners for 300r. They added to pension, and in our region 20% of the city administration made an increase in salary for themselves ... I saw a demotivator on this occasion: Now if everyone paid taxes, pensions would increase by 1,5 times. And if officials stopped stealing, pensions increased 15 times.
    1. Denis
      Denis April 19 2013 23: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Hel
      an increase in the salary of the city administration was made by 20% for themselves ..
      Even modestly. One monkey in the State Duma ached that they received little, the additive sprang up
      if officials stopped stealing
      But this is already fantastic!
      Is it so that they honestly work and live by all means climb there?
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. April 19 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    In my opinion, they will never bring order until the state disassociates itself from the real economy. Conducting the economy by investing state funds and holding all kinds of “tenders” in private enterprises that tend to grow larger (otherwise it’s harder to survive and there will always be complete monopolies), the larger the capitalist, the more he is interested in independence from the state and the more leverage he has influence on officials and state policy and less and less interested in the development of their own state, I am silent about moral background - capitalism is the most perfect form of slavery (in our country the concept of capitalist is replaced by an employer, an exploiter by an entrepreneur).
    It follows that there is nowhere to go from large 100% state-owned enterprises, and a planned economy + small private production, which will close all the gaps of a planned economy (planned is effective and private is operational) should return, since only a planned economy takes into account the social aspects of life and will not speculate on it . And this is as true as the privatization of the economy means the privatization of power and vice versa.
    For critics, I note the fifth column greatly distorted the planned economy of the past + consciously suppressed private initiative. I remember before the collapse of the Union, there were rumors that trucks dumped and buried food in pits, now some mechanisms for creating an artificial deficit in the USSR are becoming known. About 3 years ago, I found neat and long-standing stacks of glass in the forest, but it was also a deficit (it should be noted that the pieces were not large, but the stacks had completely identical pieces from about 20 to 50 layers)
  • 120352
    120352 April 19 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    There, the broom also needs chemicals that corrode the dirt, and not a light cloth for cleaning glasses. The fifth column can only be drained with dust!
  • Draz
    Draz April 19 2013 11: 06 New
    +1
    Individual entrepreneurs often do not pay taxes, work on a “simplified plan”, write 5000 rubles per month and pay 13% from them, and at the same time take loans for themselves and for business and pay them off ahead of schedule.
    I speak as a bank employee.
    Make everyone pay taxes and will receive state as much as oil.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 19 2013 13: 18 New
      +1
      So make them pay taxes such as Serdyukov, Vasiliev, Skrypnik and many, many other thieves and traitors.
      1. Draz
        Draz April 19 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        This is the duty of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, do not confuse
      2. Denis
        Denis April 19 2013 18: 32 New
        0
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        So make them pay taxes such as Serdyukov, Vasiliev, the Skrypnik and many, many other thieves and traitors
        So before the review of the results of the privatization is not far
        Who will do this, bees against honey?
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta April 19 2013 11: 11 New
    -5
    I am generally silent about the European Union and their individual countries, about Spain and Greece, and so everyone knows.
    1. itkul
      itkul April 19 2013 11: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta
      I’m generally silent about the European Union and their individual countries, about Spain and Greece, and so everyone knows


      But it doesn’t seem to you that it’s better to live in Europe without denying anything to yourself than working for us to receive pennies. Here's how you can live on these pennies.
      Taken from here

      http://open-letter.ru/letter/27556/

      Yes, in Moscow, I want to say that you still live well))) My mother works as a postman (Khabarovsk Territory, settlement of Litovko), her salary is in the region of 6000 - 7000 tr. at the same time, they not only distribute mail, pensions, but they also force households to sell goods .. This is in no way .. They also manage to deprive them of the failure to fulfill the plan. And what to do work is actually not in the village and work for these pennies. The village is large (very scattered) and all on foot. And this is all of Russia.
  • optimist
    optimist April 19 2013 11: 16 New
    +5
    Everything that is happening now is natural in a country where the most important slogan is, BABLO AT ANY PRICE !!! At the same time, one should not forget about the Cold War lost to the West 22 years ago. The deceased Thatcher also said that 15-20 million people should remain in Russia to pump out resources, and the rest on x ... are not needed. And if from this point of view we look at what is happening now in Russia, then everything will fall into place: approximately 100 million people are extra people. Most of which are engaged in incomprehensibly what and it is not clear where. In the same outback, the vast majority of the population lives in small covens, various benefits, petty crime, or even simply squeeze pensions from the elderly. Moscow, St. Petersburg and a dozen cities with a population of over one million people live on "rotating" money from natural rents and trade. The rest are content with "crumbs" from their table ...
    1. Denis
      Denis April 19 2013 23: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      15-20 million people should remain in Russia
      Dreaming is not harmful
      Thank God more than us, although it will still not be very sweet, since we’ll manage to survive, but she’s dead
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 19 2013 11: 27 New
    +5
    About reducing unemployment, a blatant lie, when they themselves recognize a decline in the growth of the country's economy. The import of Asians is a tool of intimidation and replacement of the indigenous population of Russia.
  • Madcover
    Madcover April 19 2013 12: 32 New
    +4
    Another "rusty grandmother" Thatcher said: "Russians should be reduced to 15 million people serving wells and mines" http://forum.kpe.ru/showthread.php?t=10207 The Government is successfully working on this. Faithful Putiners destroy the population, as they can, worse than the invaders. Again, the "popular" somehow hinted that we have the lowest taxes in the world, 13% of all. Yeah. Only this is a personal income tax, or direct tax. And 18% VAT on each purchase? And insurance premiums (social tax) 26%? What about property tax? What about the transport tax? Now let's calculate what the "lowest tax in the world" really is.
  • 120352
    120352 April 19 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    And after that we respected her ??? For what!
    1. Madcover
      Madcover April 19 2013 13: 05 New
      -1
      You can respect her. How to respect the enemy. She did a lot for the British crown.
      1. Nikolai N
        Nikolai N April 19 2013 13: 11 New
        0
        Yes, we have NO such for our misfortune. There are Serdyukovs and others
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 19 2013 13: 37 New
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        For the crown, yes, therefore the shaving themselves at least do not like to know that she is dead, they can cause a festive mood in them.
        But the enemy was respected in the past - now it is being evaluated, risks are being calculated.
      3. Denis
        Denis April 19 2013 23: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Madcover
        She did a lot for the British crown
        Isn’t it an indicator? I do not care deeply about the British and the crown, she didn’t want my country well (it seems they already have genes in it) and, if possible, mischief
        So the road is there, but let her be respected.
  • Nikolai N
    Nikolai N April 19 2013 13: 05 New
    +1
    In principle, I do not want to pay taxes, although they are being torn from me. Who should I feed thieves, loafers, successful managers in the government? To macabook. All my life I really feed people with my work, so I also have to dress thieves in the government that the pipes are already few? With one hand they complain about Sidorov and with the other they indulge in the importation of wood from Central Asia. My eyes got out on my forehead when I saw them in the north of Kamchatka there are no cops then these have already been brought
    1. Madcover
      Madcover April 19 2013 13: 13 New
      +1
      Most Western countries want to root out the peoples of Russia in order to take away our territories and minerals. And while they manage to do it with the hands of "faithful Putiners"
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 19 2013 13: 16 New
    +3
    Here you are fixated on some here in Moscow. I live in Moscow and believe me not fat. If you are so disappointed come try to work when you get up at five in the morning to take the train or race by car to be at work at nine, home at best You’ll end up in 20: 00, and go to bed in 01: 00, since at home you still need to pay attention to the children so that they don’t get stuck somewhere and grow up normal and get up in 05: 00.
    In the morning towards Moscow along the Novo-Ryazan highway, when you get the feeling that you are going to the Ryazan region and so on all directions to Moscow from all the neighboring regions, although there are no fewer people living in Ryazan.
    Fully fattening and Krasnodar and Rostov and Samara and other cities.
    They pay at the post office and make them work just like in the Khabarovsk Territory; believe me, therefore, only God's dandelions work.
    The essence of the article is not how they live in large cities, but in the whole country.
    Let's say a worker collecting a car gets roughly 20000-25000rub and the seller of the 100000 salon and even kickbacks for a discount is this normal?
    Or yesterday there was a duel with Solovyov Ampilov said that without migrants Moscow and Peter would have drowned in the mud because the locals would not go to work, it’s complete nonsense. Let the state check how much the housing and communal services pay to the companies that provide these migrants for each and how much the companies pay to the migrants themselves and all the difference is divided between the housing and communal services and the employing company, I think local and at least Russians and not migrants would work for real wages.
    And so this is a topic of long debate, but little depends on us so far, while $ is at the forefront, everyone should spit on us ordinary citizens.
  • Eric
    Eric April 19 2013 18: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan.
    - In my opinion, this is the goal set for our state by their task of building a consumer society in our country, that is, completely controlled. Dissociation, individualism, wolf laws in society through a conflict of interests and ignoring the needs of the people. In the West, it’s not the state that adjusts to the needs of citizens, but citizens under “common European values” and “progress” in the minds of people there. The ultimate goal of globalization.


    Divide and rule! (WITH) hi
  • igorspb
    igorspb April 19 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    For a year I can’t find an employee on the printing press - 45000 rubles s / pl for shifts 3 through 3. As soon as they find out that they need to work and not sit, there are no people who want to. Ready for 20000, just come to work and sharpen your hair. Guest workers cannot be replaced in any way.
    Further - piecework - did received - 1.5 Max 2 months for 90000 rubles per person - no one goes. A5 ready for just 25-30000 to sit. This is a real business today in St. Petersburg. No workers to be found. Ready to pay money. That's it. People just don't want to work.
    Bottom line - the Russians from Lithuania will work for which 1000 euros is a very good salary
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 19 2013 20: 59 New
      +1
      Invite Krasin!
      He is excited by the temptations of work in Moscow and St. Petersburg, let him try and not complain that it is more difficult for them in the outback hi
    2. Nikolai N
      Nikolai N April 19 2013 22: 37 New
      0
      I would go. But in May I'm leaving for my main favorite job. Will workers be needed in November?
      1. igorspb
        igorspb April 19 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        Come - good workers are always needed.
  • Rrv
    Rrv April 19 2013 22: 21 New
    +1
    1 Lovers of hanging all dogs on Muscovites forget about one simple thing: the Moscow budget and the federal budget are completely different things, connected only with the fact that part of the taxes from the Moscow budget goes to the federal budget.
    Therefore, all questions and dissatisfaction with the "fattening" Moscow, please be kindly sent to the government and the guarantor personally (I especially recommend to Zaputinians to look at the meaning of the word "guarantor" in the dictionary)

    2 Many copies are broken on the topic of labor migrants, but this is interesting: the official figures on the number of legal labor migrants almost completely coincide with the official figures on the number of citizens of the Russian Federation registered at the "labor exchange" - it is curious, isn't it?
    And here it is worth recalling the concept of "equilibrium price" (in this case, with respect to the labor market) and how this price is formed. For those who understand what the situation is about, the situation seems quite unambiguous - “our” Authority letting migrant workers into the country thereby deliberately devalues ​​labor.

    3 According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it is a SOCIAL state, but the minimum wage is extremely low (although it is min. S / n that is the foundation from which we all dance in relation to our own well-being). As a rule, this fact is explained by the fact that labor efficiency and, as a consequence, the volume of GDP per capita in comparison with the "developed" countries is very low, but is this the case? Analysis of the minimum wage as a percentage of GDP per capita - UK, China, Cyprus - 50%, France, Germany, Canada - 38%, LIBERAL USA - 33%, SOCIAL state of Russia - 12% (as in Kazakhstan) - shows that this explanation is a lie.

    In general, no transparency should be expected with respect to the labor market until the Authority itself becomes transparent, having previously been replaced.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 19 2013 22: 38 New
    +1
    This morning, I drew attention to the fact that in the Moscow metro, where traditionally for a long time cleaners worked as either retirement (which was a good help for retirement) or pre-retirement age, and the youth were also local, but now they are being replaced by YOUNG and STRONG immigrants from the Asian republics, although the work itself does not require such a remarkable or young strength.
    This is the shame of the authorities, this is genocide in relation to their people.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv April 19 2013 23: 05 New
      0
      Exactly. It got to the point that the head of superjob writes open letters:

      www.superjob.ru/info/news.html?id=11179

      Yes, it’s all useless - the interests of the guarantor and the environment of their own are in other places.
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 22: 59 New
    0
    Nevertheless, Moscow is a state in a state. Nobody even says that ordinary Muscovites are to blame for this - of course, where he was born, it came in handy. Ever since the times of the USSR, all oblasts have been rented there, and then they went on a long and green one for indemnity to the "expensive" Moscow. Salaries and pensions in Moscow are an order of magnitude higher in general, plus all kinds of capital allowances — which you will not see on the periphery and through the telescope, with the exception of those who hold power and deputies. Grandmas are all mostly spinning there too, of course I do not argue kradupta and travel is a bit more expensive. Again, the labor market in Moscow is boundless. I myself studied in Moscow for 6 years - I saw a little.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv April 19 2013 23: 08 New
      0
      Well, it's not in Moscow, but in those state ones. institutions that are located in it (more precisely, the case in those who are in the designated institutions).
  • Eric
    Eric April 20 2013 01: 16 New
    +4
    Comrades, why don’t we now think about how to help each other? Someone has a job, someone needs a job! Or vice versa! How do you like the idea?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 20 2013 01: 19 New
    0
    Quote: igorspb
    For a year I can’t find an employee on the printing press - 45000 rubles s / pl for shifts 3 through 3. As soon as they find out that they need to work and not sit, there are no people who want to. Ready for 20000, just come to work and sharpen your hair. Guest workers cannot be replaced in any way.
    Further - piecework - did received - 1.5 Max 2 months for 90000 rubles per person - no one goes. A5 ready for just 25-30000 to sit. This is a real business today in St. Petersburg. No workers to be found. Ready to pay money. That's it. People just don't want to work.
    Bottom line - the Russians from Lithuania will work for which 1000 euros is a very good salary


    Printed what? Of money? Write the address where to go. But seriously, people do not want to work. Let it be better to exchange, for a penny, than to work.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 20 2013 06: 38 New
    +1
    By the way, yes, the Russians do not want to work at all. They don’t want to bother at the factory, with no TB and equipment of 80's for 10-12 tyrov a month (he worked there at one time). They don’t want to work for pennies in medicine, while your bosses and patients have you. The same can be said about science, education, culture ... Well, people do not want to work there. Because under the local civil law (I’m not talking about superiors) and attitude, you can forget about family, children and other joys of life. You can actually reduce millions of 50 managers and consultants, and the country will not lose anything from this. We are not working for the country now, we are working for an uncle, at best for ours.
  • Spike
    Spike April 21 2013 23: 33 New
    0
    This is THEME !!! In the town where I live a population of 27 thousand. about 15 thousand children and pensioners (some work), 2 thousand real jobs and 167 unemployed people ... Some part in Moscow agrees. Where are the rest ?! Example: The enterprise where my father worked fell apart, it was reduced, 5% of the debt was paid (as to the majority), and the money from the sale of the property of the bankrupt enterprise went to the maintenance of the bankruptcy trustee ... And this is the situation for all of the above in each district city of ours regions ... I’m sure that this is not an isolated case !!! Statistics and real life in Russia are completely different things, hi
    1. Denis
      Denis April 22 2013 00: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Thorn
      Where are the others?
      Unemployed is who is listed on the exchange? It’s as if you don’t know that they were instructed to reduce unemployment. Here they are cutting so that a person wants to choke on them with this allowance and sends
      And the saved money will go to another kind:
      Quote: Thorn
      bankruptcy trustee