Commander of the Armed Forces: Ecuador has completely lost its ground defense element

Ecuador completely lost its ground-based air defense element due to the failure of all Chinese-made radars. This was announced on Wednesday by the head of the Joint Command of the Armed Forces Leonardo Barreiro.

"Since we do not have radar now, we replace them with other means that allow us to exercise control over the sky," he said. Barreiro stressed that the Ecuadorian air force is currently using Brazilian Super Tucano / Super Tucano aircraft to patrol and curb attempts to tamper with the country's airspace. The commander added that at the moment there is not a single operating radar in the armed forces.

Four air defense radars were acquired in 2009 for $ 60 million from a Chinese manufacturer of military products, China Electronics / Technology Group Corporation, CETC /, to protect against air attack. Similar equipment was needed in the South American country after a year earlier the Colombian air force had attacked Ecuadorian territory, attacking the rebel camps of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

Comments

[svp67]

Ecuador completely lost the ground element of air defense due to the failure of all Chinese-made radars

Well, they say to people - do not buy Chinese fakes until they are "burned" and do not believe it. Take Russian - proven

[ShturmKGB]

Another anti-advertising, the Chinese themselves are to blame ...

[svp67]

ShturmKGB

Another anti-advertising, the Chinese themselves are to blame ...

But seriously, I would like to see the development of this situation.
- with what speed will the Chinese react
- who is to blame for the current situation? manufacturers - Chinese or Ecuadorian operators

[LION]

Anecdote to the topic
Interview with the first Mongolian cosmonaut. "Tell me, why are your hands blue?"
"It was the Russians who beat me on the hands. And they said: don't get in here, monkey."

[Sergey S.]

In the original source, this anecdote appeared after the flight of the Bulgarian cosmonauts Ivanov.
But only in a more friendly tone:
The command from the MCC sounds.
Bulgarian astronaut reaches for toggle switches and buttons.
... gets hand in hand and hears:
- Do not meddle, do not interfere with automation.

[broker]

There is a third option:
They took a Japanese astronaut with them, also returned with blue hands, asking what happened in response, only for something I will take to him: not yours, do not touch !!!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: svp67

But seriously, I would like to see the development of this situation.

And who will show what? The Chinese will 100% now say that the damage to the radar is associated with a violation of the operating conditions, and Ecuador will make a mug face, they say, to us well without radar.

[Jurkovs]

And the conversation is already not about Ecuador, but about those countries that think where to buy cheaper.

[Civil]

The radars were probably Panasonix or Abibas

[edge]

Quote: svp67

Another anti-advertising, the Chinese themselves are to blame ..

stingy pays three times ...... oh and expensive. How much can you trust the Chinese village .... Well, they don’t want to learn anything

[53-Sciborskiy]

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

Not for a long time.
The dominance of Chinese goods is certainly annoying, but we must give them their due. The people try and achieve success, it would not hurt to learn from them, and even better not to forget our exploits from the recent past.

[Mista_dj]

Totally agree!

[Gluxar_]

ShturmKGB

Another anti-advertising, the Chinese themselves are to blame ...

What are you to blame? The news is like a duck. radars are out of order for what reason? Because brother, then the Chinese screwed up. And if Ecuadorians ground them with flour, then the monkey should not be given a grenade. And it’s not clear that all 4 failed at the same time or in stages ...

[Nevsky]

Chinese air defense nnnn-a-nee?

[zennon]

Thank you, I haven’t neighing like that for a long time. In the course of the Ecuadorians lohanuli, instead of radars it was necessary to take "BUBBLES".
China steers!

[Stiletto]

Laugh, don’t laugh, friends, but we ourselves have long had nothing left of our own: a TV at home - Chinese, a phone - Korean, a computer at work - also made up; you know where; I bought a flashlight the day before - also there, my dear. We already can’t make a lighter ourselves - but it’s not a god news what a high-tech device. So all this is very funny if it were not so sad ...

[zennon]

We can do everything. Russia is a country before which great tasks must be set. We are able to do outstanding things that the rank cannot even imagine. And we have proved it more than once. But to organize ... The talent of our people is not in demand, and this direct rebuke to our authorities.

[Dilshat]

Yes, no, it’s just that laws need to be redone so that it would be more profitable to make electronics and not to sell raw materials.

[Vovka levka]

You can do it, but will people buy it?

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Dilshat

Yes, no, it’s just that laws need to be redone so that it would be more profitable to make electronics and not to sell raw materials.

And how to make it profitable? Russia produces electronics, just electronics of a different kind, not "pop". And we are leaders in many segments. But this is a piece of equipment for important projects.
And producing phones or televisions is very expensive.
The fact is that China and all of Southeast Asia are imprisoned for this. They have several mega-plants for the production of processors and components. And these 2-3 plants supply the whole region with components. All sorts of different APLs or Samsungs only create the architecture and software of their devices and assemble them in Chinese factories. There is a certain division of labor, but, in principle, many states of the region work in one bundle.

How to compete with such a system? And in order to simply produce a simple "mid-range" mobile phone, we need to build many factories from scratch, which will not be profitable and will never pay off. because even if you take loans and set up the entire production line, and release a mass product, it will lose in price to competitors, since you need to amortize construction costs and repay loans. And one can survive only on state subsidies and on the condition of a large internal market, which, as you know, is already oversaturated by competitors. As a result, in order to reach the level of at least Taiwan, you need to take tens of billions of dollars somewhere, build everything and then subsidize producers from the budget so that they do not go broke. and what is the benefit?

At this stage, until breakthrough developments appear in the Russian Federation, the stake can and should be made on outsourcing the production of electronics, and within the country, generating ideas for "marketing and architecture" of popular devices, and producing them in China as well. This is a worldwide practice.

[Vovka levka]

There is such a thing as prime cost. You can do everything, but the question is what price you will get.

Everything is simple. Why produce, think, count. Purchased products in China, pulled across the border (different methods), sold. Profit threw offshore and so on in a circle. If, what’s wrong, the ticket fell over the hill and no problems.
And production, it must be able to work, plus a lot of parasites from all sides.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Vovka Levka

There is such a thing as prime cost. You can do everything, but the question is what price you will get. It's simple. Why produce, think, count. Purchased products in China, pulled across the border (different methods), sold. Profit threw offshore and so on in a circle. If, what’s wrong, the ticket fell over a hill and no problems. And production, this must be able to work, plus a lot of parasites from all sides.

Some have done it. But not so long ago, the offshore company was closed, up to 70% of the money was taken away, taxes were raised and the accounts were frozen. That's how it happens with the "civilized".

[Vovka levka]

Who told you that they are civilized? These are the same crooks, but at a higher level.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: zennon

We can do everything. Russia is a country before which great tasks must be set. We are able to do outstanding things that the rank cannot even imagine. And we have proved it more than once. But to organize ... The talent of our people is not in demand, and this direct rebuke to our authorities.

Why is it not in demand? Now engineers and builders are required. Are there any candidates? But managers and lawyers are not needed, and everyone climbs there with a fool. The problem is that the Russian Federation missed its chance to enter the consumer goods market. The stake should be placed on advanced production in key sectors of the economy, which is actually being done now. and now there is a "hunger" for engineers and locksmiths, builders and scientists. This is where you need to exert strength.
And creating factories for the assembly of televisions and cell phones is unprofitable with such competition. At least not the state should be engaged in this, but the "market", that is, we are with you if there are talents and resources.

[ded]

TV at home - Chinese, phone - Korean, computer at work - also Made in you know where

In Belarus, we have all the nails in a Chinese-made store, and you say TV! We cannot cut a simple wire.

[Thor]

I thought Belarus had already established its production of construction goods

[T-130]

Can we all, only who needs it? In today's situation, it’s all cheaper to buy Chinese, you need to defend your market, and we, for the sake of several oligarchs, open it up on the contrary, don’t provide ourselves with food anyway, and now the Chinese will fill up with trash!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Stiletto

Laugh, don’t laugh, friends, but we ourselves have long had nothing left of our own: a TV at home - Chinese, a phone - Korean, a computer at work - also made up; you know where; I bought a flashlight the day before - also there, my dear. We already can’t make a lighter ourselves - but it’s not a god news what a high-tech device. So all this is very funny if it were not so sad ...

The Chinese are great, you will not say anything. But it is also not worth discarding. Everything that you have listed is produced in Russia. But it is difficult to compete with China in the consumer goods niche, since the production system there is debugged at the highest level, and it is simply unprofitable to produce the same quality. But 98% of these are goods of the "consumer society". However, there are other market segments that are much more important for the economy of the state, and in them the Chinese just do not succeed. Complex equipment in China is unlikely to be produced when the specifics are different.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Nevsky

Chinese air defense nnnn-a-nee?

An old video and nothing good to say about it. A Chinese man is trying to earn a living, perhaps his family is sitting in a rural area without a passport. Look at his cheeks, he's all red with shame. He is not stupid and understands that he looks like a clown, but still continues to "joke". And the Russian bus neighs like a herd. As it is a little ashamed of compatriots ...

[Alexander Romanov]

EEEEE, people - tell me which electronics are on F 22

[Krapovy32]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

EEEEE, people - tell me which electronics are on F 22

Yes, it looks like a diversion from the Chinese themselves. At hour X, all sold Chinese equipment is covered with a copper basin and the enemy is helpless It just did not work on time, apparently a drunk Chen was collecting in his basement

[Vadivak]

Quote: ...

"Since we do not have radars now, we are replacing them with other means that allow us to exercise control over the sky."

Chinese binoculars or what? Oh well

[Thor]

Another evidence that the quality of Chinese military equipment is not at the highest level

[53-Sciborskiy]

It is not worth saving on the country's defense, "the miser pays twice." I wonder if China has the same "reliable radars?"

[53-Sciborskiy]

"Miser pays twice".

[Reasonable, 2,3]

The cattle were dug up. SVR- +

[Buxx]

Buy more Chinese

[slavik_gross]

5 Chinese !!!

[vlad767]

Ha! "Made in china" radars? Well, everything is clear ... No wonder they failed.

[Vtel]

Counterfeit bought. Not without the sinister hands of the West.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vtel

. Not without the sinister hands of the West.

Of course it did, the West brought all its plants to China

[nickname 1 and 2]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course it did, the West brought all its plants to China

Yes, we passed and IT! In the 70s, many enterprises (even those included in the defense industry) took products home for work! The wise men equipped their garages in order to rivet a plan and a paycheck on weekends. And the authorities knew about and kept quiet. Even more cunning could wash boards under hot water with soap (from flux) - if there was no alcohol. What will they be? They asked!

So the Chinese are the same. There are no perfect nations.
And the Chinese got into the stream = on the one hand, the states threw production capacities on super cheap slave power, on the other hand, ours were hungry for consumer goods and received "easy money" = a sales market for the Chinese.
It is we - Russia that raised China with their consumption!
And who did not "give" their hard-earned money.

But do not rush to sprinkle ash on your head! Look what will happen next! There will also be a holiday on our street!
In such cases, the one who is the first to take a "cooling shower" experiences the best shock. We took it first! The heads are freshened up, you can feel it!
Duri diminished.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: nick 1 and 2

In the 70s there are many enterprises (even those included in the defense industry)

Sorry. But it looks like you did not work at the defense industry enterprises in those years !!!
Then metal detectors in the form that now were categorically absent, but the security of the enterprises clearly, on a "tip" stopped, searched and confiscated items taken out from these enterprises. The carriers were put on trial. Because precious metals were necessarily present in the carried out. Then practically all radioelements contained them, even most of the resistors. Except ULM, mostly. I remember being searched in connection with the purchase of 150 wooden boxes of matches for the resistor cassette from the buffet. And it takes a long time to explain!

[boots]

Dear Ecuadorians (or Ecuadorians ) buy Russian equipment.

[Vadivak]

Quote: botur

Dear Ecuadorians (or Ecuadorians

After such purchases, you can immediately - expensive Honduras

[Nevsky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

EEEEE, people - tell me which electronics are on F 22

Maide in Kettle?

[Petrospek]

I wonder what happened? Did they all come out at once or singly? Maybe Ecuador huddled on fixing the crashed systems, well, and waited?

[Watnik]

They are on the right track. In the United States, too, military air defense and generally close radius is absent as a class. All on the shoulders of the Air Force.

[Watnik]

And what did I say wrong? Proofs on military air defense in the USA in the studio!

[KORESH80]

Enlighten how everything is arranged there. And then we go under different names, but we demand all the proofs.
http://pentagonus.ru/publ/6-1-0-674

[Phantom Revolution]

Dear, the United States does not conduct defensive tactics, purely offensive, the Air Force plays an important role in them when they only gain complete superiority in the air, only then ground units, which essentially have nothing to defend, go into battle, except from civilian airliners.

[Thor]

Apparently the US government believes that no one dares to invade the airspace of their country

[Phantom Revolution]

So it is, at the moment, and which of the enemies on whom they attack could fly over the ocean and destroy them? China and the Russian Federation are not attacked, but Libya, Serbia and other countries that owned oil could not do this, and those who can, at that point, have a bench press.

[Mhpv]

Caught rabbits on black cabbage

[JonnyT]

China is such a China!)))) But cheap!

[Kaa]

Quote: JonnyT

But cheap!

"And Balda told him reproachfully:
You wouldn't be chasing cheapness, priest! "

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Kaa

You would not chase, pop, for cheapness!

You would not chase for cheapness.

[Kaa]

Quote: Thunderbolt

You would not chase for cheapness.

And what can you fuck from Ecuador? Bananas, potatoes, fish, lobsters are swept aside, further - Mining operations are mainly concentrated in the south of the Oriente region, where since 1995 there has been a sharp increase in gold production. The main resource of Ecuador's subsoil is oil, which has been produced since 1917; Oil became a significant source of income only after the Texaco-Gulf consortium began developing the rich Oriente oil fields. The oil produced there is transported via the Transandian oil pipeline to the port of Esmeraldas and to the nearby oil refineries http://www.gecont.ru/articles/econ/equador.htm
This is already more interesting, it is urgent to send a delegation, to trade air defense systems in exchange for oil, the more so, the government is center-left, and here Ecuador also has significant natural gas reserves (proven reserves are estimated at 8,9 billion cubic meters), however, they are still underutilized due to the lack of appropriate infrastructure. The volume of natural gas production in Ecuador in 2008 amounted to 260 million cubic meters. m. In the province of Loja, copper, silver, gold are mined in small quantities. The main industries are oil refining, food, textile and clothing, metalworking, pulp and paper, woodworking, chemical, pharmaceutical and plastic manufacturing. In short, the country is completely solvent, geographical the situation is strategically interesting, you have to bargain.

[vadson]

tssssss, quieter comrade, otherwise the ruler of Ecuador will inadvertently show cancer, God forbid, of course!

[Retx]

Meanwhile, in the Pentagon: And what is there in Ecuador? Is there democracy? What about oil? Do you violate the rights of citizens?

[svp67]

Quote: RETX

Meanwhile, in the Pentagon: And what is there in Ecuador? Is there democracy? What about oil? Do you violate the rights of citizens?

There are many bananas ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: svp67

There are many bananas.

And apparently greedy fools

[Thunderbolt]

Why do they need radars if SuperTucano act as interceptors? It will be more reliable to cover themselves with a copper basin than to hope that toucans will intercept someone there

[vadson]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Why do they need radars if SuperTucano act as interceptors? It will be more reliable to cover themselves with a copper basin than to hope that toucans will intercept someone there

Well, any state needs radars, they certainly won’t defend toucans, there almost all of America’s lat under the northern neighbor lies either on the shoulder blades or on its side. and they stupidly drive the merchants with toucans, but they serve the civil aviation radar station, but sorry, I served

[Hemi cuda]

Well, the drug dealer at Portere is being rolled into cabbage)

[svp67]

Quote: Vadivak

And apparently greedy fools

This good is enough everywhere ...

[Nevsky]

Quote: Watnik

They are on the right track. In the United States, too, military air defense and generally close radius is absent as a class. All on the shoulders of the Air Force.

And who is threatening them there? Mexico, Cuba, Canada?

[svp67]

Quote: Nevsky

And who is threatening them there? Mexico, Cuba, Canada?

Read the article carefully

Such equipment was needed by a South American country after a year earlier the Colombian Air Force attacked Ecuadorian territory by attacking rebel camps from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

[vadson]

Quote: Nevsky

Quote: Watnik

They are on the right track. In the United States, too, military air defense and generally close radius is absent as a class. All on the shoulders of the Air Force.

And who is threatening them there? Mexico, Cuba, Canada?

Well, there was a cube time lit

[Bosk]

Chinese electronics is not Chinese porcelain!, By the way the other day I bought a phone with a rather big picture tube from Taiwan ... I will test the bourgeois China, otherwise my friend purely Chinese would kick in a month .., compare who will last longer ...

[screw cutter]

Phone with a kinescope? It’s probably very cool, it fits in your pocket or carry it in a backpack? But honestly, I have two metal plates, enameled, made in China in 1973 and don’t even think of rusting like that.

[Bosk]

Well, my plate was made in the Union, but it was painted in Europe (there was such an operation-cooperation in the old days), but when the computer was last vacuumed (cleaned) then looking closely I was not a little surprised ... everything including the box is China and past couple of years that everything is interesting normul ...

[SerAll]

Well, I don’t know, I bought a phone (+ 2 more comrades) a Chinese zopo and nothing .. for half a year now hold on +2 SIM cards ... everything suits me ...._))) China is different

[Nevsky]

Quote: Bosk

Chinese electronics is not Chinese porcelain!, By the way the other day I bought a phone with a rather big picture tube from Taiwan ... I will test the bourgeois China, otherwise my friend purely Chinese would kick in a month .., compare who will last longer ...

Chinese Chinese strife, especially when it comes to states. enterprises. and especially about Taiwan

[igor36]

Or can they rent Taburetkin? then we can say that in the morning it was not possible to find the Ministry of Defense ...

[T-130]

Good idea! Only Taburetkina must be taken along with his team! Better yet, give the whole team away! Then in the morning you can start searching for China!

[Nevsky]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Nevsky

And who is threatening them there? Mexico, Cuba, Canada?

Read the article carefully

Such equipment was needed by a South American country after a year earlier the Colombian Air Force attacked Ecuadorian territory by attacking rebel camps from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

Hey, I'm talking about the USA, not Ecuador, you are more attentive

[svp67]

Quote: Nevsky

Hey, I'm talking about the USA, not Ecuador,

Litter sir.

[DeerIvanovich]

do not quarrel with serks, not in England, taldych yak seasoned lad

[Canep]

The normal air defense commander will not shout about it all over the world. And about the Chinese, 2 Chinese machines were bought at our factory, they worked for five years without problems, and then when they started to break, I did not have time to draw the drawings of parts for these machines, one by one.

[Belij]

The situation is one to one, as we have. Only for 2 years was enough. Do not buy another - continue to draw

[Mhpv]

So for distraction:
At the symposium, the Chinese representative speaks:
-Rice sasayem
-Potato-Sasaem
Russian from the audience:
And h ... you don’t suck?
Chinese:
- we do not have such seeds!

[Manager]

And then it started! NATO, on the one hand, Russia and China, on the other hand, sent all their air forces so as not to miss such a chance!

[svp67]

Quote: Manager

And then it started! NATO, on the one hand, Russia and China, on the other hand, sent all their air forces so as not to miss such a chance!

Arriving, looking, but there is no Ecuador, also turned out to be a Chinese fake ...

[vadson]

Quote: Manager

And then it started! NATO, on the one hand, Russia and China, on the other hand, sent all their air forces so as not to miss such a chance!

+ for sarcasm

[UFO]

The "Chinese from the bus" sold these radars to them! "Nada radars, nada?"

[vadson]

then cygan

[gregor6549]

The failure of 4 radars at the same time, even if strongly Chinese, is from the realm of fairy tales. Chinese military equipment and Chinese consumer goods are two big differences and non-compliance with quality standards in the production of military equipment is punished in China very severely, up to the death penalty. So, most likely, the Guatemalan "exploiters" of the radar did not study the materiel properly, or someone from China's competitors needed to sell their equipment there, which is more likely.

[gregor6549]

Sorry, a little one. Ecuadorian exploiters, not Guatemalan, although I do not see the difference between the two

[vadson]

most likely the manual in Chinese was

[Piterkras]

We need to learn how the Ecuadorians themselves exploited the displaced units. It may be that the Latins themselves are to blame for the breakdowns, but they are guilty of the Chinese.

[self-propelled]

"... the Ecuadorian Air Force is currently using Brazilian Super Tucano aircraft for patrolling and suppression of attempts to illegally enter the airspace country..."
Well, for patrolling, wherever it went, but to suppress attempts to illegally enter airspace? against kites or what?

[svp67]

Quote: self-propelled

but to stop attempts to illegally enter airspace? against kites or what?

Against light-engine planes and helicopters, while others in the mountainous-wooded area cannot be used,

[self-propelled]

in mountainous and wooded areas and ground-based radars are milk efficient

[svp67]

Quote: self-propelled

in mountainous and wooded areas and ground-based radars are milk efficient

Difficult, but possible. These are airspace control radars, not counters of trees ...

[Day 11]

Are these their interceptors? I'm shocked! Although which country, such anti-Colombian drug trafficker aircraft will probably come down

[matross]

Why do you offend the little ones? What are they, Sukhoi have a good bargain? For what? Yes, not a superpower, other threats, the scales are incomparable. Well, they were pricked by their Chinese comrades, so poor people should sympathize

[aviamed90]

And is Ecuadorians not a contractual penalty? Did they take it without a guarantee? Then you need to contact the Consumer Rights Protection Society!

[Ivan Tarasov]

Let Russia buy everything they need.
Our technology will not fail.

[kind]

Let them try to change the batteries, maybe it will work !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Good

Let them try to change the batteries, maybe it will work !!!

So the batteries are also CHINESE ...

[Nevsky]

Quote: self-propelled

"... the Ecuadorian Air Force is currently using Brazilian Super Tucano aircraft for patrolling and suppression of attempts to illegally enter the airspace country..."
Well, for patrolling, wherever it went, but to suppress attempts to illegally enter airspace? against kites or what?

Already easier to give them for the mountainous-wooded area of ​​the Su-25

[svp67]

Quote: Nevsky

Already easier to give them for the mountainous-wooded area of ​​the Su-25

No, I do not agree. It is not necessary to give anything, in this case only SELL ...

[Watnik]

Su-25 is not a fighter and is not suitable for air defense.

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

Su-25 is not a fighter and is not suitable for air defense.

You are our many-faced, and the EMB-314 Super Tucano is a lightweight turboprop attack aircraft, manufactured by the Brazilian company Embraer.
Agree, too, is not an air defense plane

[Watnik]

Why do you call me many-sided?
So what is the point of advising them to give the Su-25 if it as air defense is no better than a toucan?

[self-propelled]

Quote: Watnik

Su-25 is not a fighter and is not suitable for air defense

and "super toucano" is somehow not very good as a fighter

[self-propelled]

Quote: Nevsky

Already easier to give them for the mountainous-wooded area of ​​the Su-25

can be purchased from us

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Nevsky

Already easier to give them for the mountainous-wooded area of ​​the Su-25

Why do they need the SU-25, if on the Tukans their lights seem to be gilded. They’ll do it anyway.

[Nevsky]

Quote: Watnik

Su-25 is not a fighter and is not suitable for air defense.

I agree. But the Su-25 SM3 for that region will be able to do much more than the Super Tucano "/ Super Tucano /

[Watnik]

They hold a jerboa for their special purposes.

[AIR ZNAK]

Please note that they didn’t have radars to control airspace until neighbors bombed camps near the border near Ecuador. And there were calmly militants in the camps who made sorties to neighbors in Colombia. (Military-purpose radar stations) Do they themselves act in a situation up to the opposite? Yes, even if they had a war machine more powerful than their neighbor? And who needs this banana republic in general, except for themselves?

[andrei332809]

found where cheaper and faster? miser pays twice. let them learn Russian and proverbs

[svp67]

Well at least "Toucans" are not counterfeit, otherwise the sky would have to be defended

[vadson]

and the average can be tightened :-) :-) :-)

[svp67]

Quote: vadson

and the average can be tightened :-) :-) :-)

He is their "root". "Troika rocket where are you going?"

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: svp67

otherwise you would have to protect the sky

OR SO

[Watnik]

I completely agree! The best air defense breakthrough is always from the ground.

[Thunderbolt]

Vatnik, I’m saying: OUR TANKS !!! And, what is of no use to your tankers --- I already know))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 010

[Watnik]

Why do you dislike Abrams so much? Such-and-such bunnies, their chmaffki: 3

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Watnik

Why do you dislike Abrams so much?

Potential adversary

[Watnik]

Well, do normal tanks, Russians. Who's stopping you?

[Thunderbolt]

I understand everything --- no questions

[Sasha]

Quote: Thunderbolt

I understand everything --- no questions

Definitely.
Watnik, Fussy, Blinomy and maybe other nicknames - it's all one litter)))

[Watnik]

And you would be easier with expressions, bunny. I did not offend you.

[rolik]

Quote: Watnik

Would you take it easy with expressions, bunny

Oh how - a bunny)))))) You told him so in vain - pratious

[rolik]

Quote: Watnik

Well, do normal tanks, Russians. Who's stopping you?

And now I’m starting fun. As there for the mattresses, the transfer is called legend destroyers.
Excellent tank "Abrams". The main thing is high-tech. Instead of an automatic loader, he has a black jock, throwing shots into the breech. Historically, missile firing is not provided for in it. It looks impressive as well. The tower is the size of a garden house. The engine is great. Almost like the T80, only better. The temperature of the outgoing gases is such that the IR seeker sees it from space. The issue of insufficient power of the main engine for twisting a garden house with a cannon has been correctly resolved. An additional diesel engine is attached to the turret. They usually tend to shoot him with a machine gun, which inevitably leads to the complete burnout of the entire tank. Another advantage is the low price and good manufacturability. Probably because, practically no one is going to buy them, except for the US Army. In the USSR and Russia, there was always a tension with blacks. It must be assumed that the graduates of the Peoples' Friendship University of Moscow. Patrice Lumumba categorically did not want to go to the loaders. Therefore, in "teshkas", starting from the mid-70s, even with the T-72, automatic cannons were installed, and the crew, respectively, was three people, without a loader. Accordingly, the "teshki" are both shorter in height and lighter in weight, and their tower is somehow small and "flattened", no "solidity." And the "Abrams" looks impressive. Ba-alshoy so-akoy. And the temperature of the outgoing gases is such that the satellite sees the Abrams from space in any weather. And the helicopter anti-tank missile guidance system will even more see, even from a maximum distance. But the engine is excellent - as much as one and a half thousand horses. Where is there "teshkam" with theirs twelve hundred. True, if we take the specific power (per 1 kg of weight), then the "teshki" have it higher, because the "teshki" are one and a half times lighter. Well, of course, it’s undersized. And historically, missile firing in the Abrams is not provided for. And why the heck it is necessary. Abrams is intended to crush all sorts of savages, natives, and where did they get helicopters and satellites? Abrams is good to everyone. This is how they write everywhere and everywhere. Only now there were some irresponsible ones, with independent thinking. Which are looking for all sorts of shortcomings, digging up. And then they dug up. To turn this agro-tower tower, even the power of fifteen hundred horses is not enough. Therefore, the tower on the main engine rotates very slowly. However, this is a drawback of all tanks with large turrets, even starting with the "tiger". To increase the rotation speed of the tower, the designers attached an additional diesel engine (DDM) behind the tower. And since DDM is not a vital element (if the DDM fails, the tower still rotates, only slowly), then the additional engine was not enclosed in the main armor the citadel, but simply covered it with a steel box with a wall one and a half centimeters thick from stray bullets and shrapnel.

[rolik]

Quote: rolik

And now I’m starting fun.

Continuation of the monologue about Abrash.
So, self-thinking people, after having read several Sunnas from the Qur'an and praised Allah, they pick up a Soviet-made large-caliber machine gun DSHK.
Our grandfathers still beat the Fritz with Leningrad and Sevastopol with an anti-machine gun (colloquially “tar”). The DShK was adopted by the Red Army back in 1938, and over the course of these 70 years an unmeasured amount has been produced. "Tar" among the heavy machine guns - like a "Kalash" among the machine guns. The most massive, with a wide margin from competitors. Therefore, every self-respecting detachment of "jihad warriors" has this machine gun in service. As a rule, not one. Cheap and cheerful.
And the intrepid Mujahideen begin to beat from the "antediluvian" DShK through the additional engine of the ultra-modern "Abrams" armor-piercing incendiary bullets that reliably penetrate two-centimeter armor. DDM fails and lights up. Smoke enters the compartment where the "Negro-loader" is located. The black man is used to the clean air of his native Alabama and therefore jumps out of the tank with a cry of “Fuck you fucking motherfuckers !!!”, which we will not translate, for cultural people.
The Mujahideen do not like this either, because Sharia categorically against environmental pollution with bad words. Therefore, they begin to peel a black man from the “Kalash”, which they have one in each hand and one more “Kalash” behind the back for the Pontus. Despite the claims of “experts” that it is impossible to get anywhere from “Kalash”, they still end up in a black man. Let us return to the tank. The fire spreads to the main engine and the entire engine compartment lights up already. It’s already impossible to be in the tank from complete smoke and temperature rise and the whole crew jumps out of it shouting “Sucking cunts and assholes !!!”, which cultural people don’t use, and Muslims go into complete fury, for sacrilege. In short, the fate of the crew is unenviable. Which conclusion follows from this? In any environment, you can and should be a polite and well-mannered person. If the American tankers peacefully left the tank with their hands up and culturally said “Salam Aleikum,” no one would have touched them, because, according to the Sharia, to shoot an unarmed surrendered enemy is an unworthy cowardice for a jihad warrior. However, let us return to the tank. The fire spreads throughout the tank, the temperature reaches a critical point and an ammunition explosion occurs - 40 large-caliber shells.
I’ll also add that the ultra-modern composite armor of Abrams, which has no analogues in the world, any of our RPGs, starting from the 50s of release, easily flashes when it gets into the side projection of the tank from any range. (What the amers in Iraq saw with some surprise. They even naively assumed that some unknown enemy was supplying Iraqi partisans with some top-secret weapons unknown to military science. Then they were even more surprised when they caught an old man with a shaitan pipe worth 400 dollars, from which he knocked out the abrams ...)
However, only the most recent RPG modifications take this armor into the frontal projection. (RPG-manual anti-tank grenade launcher) Mujahideen do not have such yet. So the cunning Islam warriors come in from the side. And even from the rear.
And from the rear, judging by the latest trends of love for homosexuals in the mattress army, they somehow like it better to be approached

[Fussy]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Potential adversary

How is it in the 80s? Today's potential and most likely adversary is an Islamist with RPG-7.

[Watnik]

By the way, Abrams Lyokh keeps squealing like an RPG-7

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

By the way, Abrams Lyokh keeps squealing like an RPG-7

Living tradition, but hard to believe. VLD (upper frontal part) has 80mm and they cannot increase it

[Watnik]

So this is photoshop?

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

By the way, Abrams Lyokh keeps squealing like an RPG-7

And if so, then

[Watnik]

Cool. But when he gets into the stern, the teshka usually arranges an enchanting fire show as in the best Las Vegas shows ..

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

Cool. But when he gets into the stern, the teshka usually arranges an enchanting fire show as in the best Las Vegas shows ..

You do not know anything, my friend. If the "t-shki" gets into the stern, this will never happen, there the engine and transmission elements will take over everything. But in this case, a grenade from an RPG-29 "Vampire" pierced the MTO sheet and hit the AZ

[Watnik]

If the "t-shki" hits the stern, this will never happen,
What does it mean will not, if in that video the car just grabbed into the stern, and then fervently burned the darling crew.

[Ivan Tarasov]

"Abrams" will flare up in the same way with such a hit.
A better means than "Arena" has not yet been invented against the tandem.
However, the fact that the "Arena" is not supplied to the troops suggests a similar fate for the rest of the unprotected tanks.

[KORESH80]

Safe Abrams - do not burn. The second war in Iraq, Hussein does not have Jewels and other Spikes.

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/iraq2003/2003.htm

[Ivan Tarasov]

Burning, still burning!
There have been cases when a DShK bullet caught fire and burned out completely ...

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

Why do you dislike Abrams so much?

Good Abrams - Dead Abrams

[Watnik]

But Iraq showed that making this handsome dead is very difficult.

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

But Iraq showed that making this handsome dead is very difficult.

But probably. Simply, with those who can guaranteed to do this, he tries not to mess ...

[Watnik]

Of course available. An invulnerable tank is a dream, but so far, Abrams is confidently moving forward in this direction. For example, the TUSK complex, which adds + 30 to defense, + 20 to brutality and + 20 to charm.

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

Of course available. An invulnerable tank is a dream, but so far, Abrams is confidently moving forward in this direction. For example, the TUSK complex, which adds + 30 to defense, + 20 to brutality and + 20 to charm.

Well, of course, they just can’t install anything on the VLD (80mm), since they will deprive the mech-water of the ability to visually control the movement, and mean the tank remained vulnerable ...

[Watnik]

I probably should remind you that the curvilinear UVZshniki in the frontal projection of the T-90 made holes for the armored projectors. By the way, why don’t you take into account the installation angle of the VLD?

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

By the way, why don’t you take into account the installation angle of the VLD?

Yes, because the tank moves over rough terrain and these angles are when they are and when they are not. And the "tilt" of the armor is not a panacea for a long time, the shells just taught to "bite" the armor

[Fussy]

Cheburashka, you are drunk. Go to bed.

[Watnik]

Now the angle of inclination of the VFD is no longer a key parameter? What is the "equivalent" heard?

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

We now have the angle of inclination of the VLD is no longer a key parameter?

Alas, no longer. Nothing lasts forever ... Modern “triggered” cores do not ricochet: when in contact with the armor, a mushroom head is formed at the front end of the core, acting as a hinge, and the projectile is turned perpendicular to the armor, shortening the path in its thickness.

[Watnik]

Does this somehow cancel the significance of the VLD angle? Not.

[svp67]

Quote: Watnik

Does this somehow cancel the significance of the VLD angle? Not.

This reduces its significance to almost zero.

[Watnik]

Oh, and who has these "modern BOPS"? I will not even convince you that she cannot nullify the slope.

[rolik]

Quote: svp67

But probably

It is pierced into the back by a large-caliber fusee, such as a DShK. On board and in the ass, it makes its way easily from the old RPG namber7. That's just a Negro loader sorry. The guy in his native Oklahom district will not see.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Fussy

How is it in the 80s? Today's potential and most likely adversary is an Islamist with RPG-7.

well, not with a javelin, the modern army of a large country should be ready for ANY challenges. I’m telling you, potential

Quote: svp67

Good Abrams - Dead Abrams

killed

[shpuntik]

svp67 Today, 18:04 Well at least "Toucans" are not counterfeit, otherwise the sky would have to be defended
They have something with their feet ... Like little swans :-)

[svp67]

Quote: shpuntik

They have something with their feet ... Like little swans :-)

So they are going to take off ...

[darksoul]

What can I say, they make good copies, but you yourself know the main thing is not the wrapper but the content, and the Chinese have a problem with this for now. I fully support andrei332809 ... avaricious pays twice

[gregor6549]

Guys, what will locators give in Ecuador if smugglers fly there on the same planes on which German Proust had flown to Moscow at one time? At the same time, although there were no mountains, ravines, or jungle in the way of Proust, as in Ecuador, the entire air defense system, covering the directions along which the route of his plane ran and having dozens of radars of various ranges and regiments of air defense fighters, saw this aircraft only at the beginning and a very short time, and then lost, but could not find until he landed on Kr Square. So there is a radar in Ecuador, no radar in Ecuador no difference

[svp67]

Quote: gregor6549

Guys, what will locators give in Ecuador if smugglers fly there on the same planes on which German Proust had flown to Moscow at one time?

That's what, and there were no complaints about the locators in that story ...

[APASUS]

We must offer the Americans .......... let the Chinese modernize the air defense system !!

[53-Sciborskiy]

Quote: svp67

Ecuador completely lost the ground element of air defense due to the failure of all Chinese-made radars

Well, they say to people - do not buy Chinese fakes until they are "burned" and do not believe it. Take Russian - proven

There is no need to economize on the country's defense, "the miser pays twice."

[Hey]

I would not scold the Chinese. I will assume that they just checked the validity of their "bookmarks". Well, who else should they train on?

[svp67]

Quote: MUD

Well, on whom else should they trine?

Let them train on the "cats" ...

[Hey]

I do not know if this information was on the site or not? But I liked it.

On April 3, around 4.30 day, an F-22 stealth fighter from an aircraft of this type deployed at the Kaden Air Force Base (Japan) made an emergency landing on the airfield due to the aggravation of the situation on the Korean Peninsula, the Japanese website ryukyushimpo.jp reported 4 on April .


After landing, there was a fuel leak (fuel spilled 10 meters from the aircraft), more than 10 US troops approached the scene.


According to an eyewitness, when the plane landed, white smoke flowed from the back of the car. By 6.00:XNUMX pm the plane was towed to the hangar. The causes of the incident that day were not identified.
(http://vpk.name/news/88338_f22_sovershil_avariinuyu_posadku_na_aviabazu_kadena.
html)

[svp67]

Quote: MUD

The causes of the incident that day were not identified.

They also have "hooks" on F35 for some reason break

[Fussy]

On air: URA-POTREOT - AND YOU ARE BLACK SOMETHING

[Strashila]

Another cobblestone through the window of supporters of the mass purchase of foreign-made weapons.

[awg75]

I don’t understand why they need radars --- they would put the monkeys along the border and let them transfer it to the headquarters, business !!!

[svp67]

Quote: awg75

I don’t understand why they need radars --- they would put the monkeys along the border and let them transfer it to the headquarters, business !!!

What if the Chinese are among the monkeys?

[Strashila]

You can consider options for events ...
The cant of the manufacturer, but the radars were not launched at the same time into operation, but they immediately rolled up.
A jamb of staff ... but at the same time to perform the same actions entailing a twist ... unlikely.
There remains the participation of a third party ...
It’s no secret that the Chinese comrades, to put it mildly, are tying technology.
Using the fact that many manufacturers of electronics, not only household appliances, place orders in factories of the PRC is not a secret ... scandals with counterfeit microcircuits in the same US Army occurred more than once, and our space ships began to explore the depths of the ocean thanks to them. the same is not uncommon in access microchips for their contents embedded in the production process.
But ... direct access is laid not only in the production process ... but also by the developer of the chip.
And as they say among our people, I found a scythe on a stone ...
In general, smart guys pressed a button, got the expected result ...
The question of why this was done and who the customer is, is the mystery of the universe.

[Day 11]

To, option, it is quite possible. Tests were successful.

[waisson]

I hinted at this when in the previous article I wrote maliciously about the mistrals, they say that the extra hours will open. how to buy something new. but they should buy a lesson from RUSSIA poorly poorly we are responsible for our equipment

[Fussy]

Quote: waisson

we are responsible for our technology

Well answered for the MiG-29 avionics in Yugoslavia, yes.

[dima-fesko]

The Chinese were building a plant here, they can’t start the year. I thought the Chinese were more serious ....

[T-130]

In quarries, many private traders have been using Chinese trucks for exactly 3 years and they have been handed over for scrap, they say they drive for 3 years with virtually no problems, and after that it’s not profitable to keep them and they sold them to someone else, but there are no people who want to!

[vlasov70]

I am a new person here. For fun. A padded jacket with Fussy for a tone in a party or what? The guys obviously do not fit into the team.

[Watnik]

In the sense that we are not cackling in unison, but are looking at facts and objective reality? Well, I will not say for the Fussy - but I am always objective.

[vlasov70]

I don’t know how to protect, but about +20 to brutality and +20 to charm, there is a clear excess. In my opinion, a tin can. I am an amateur, but they say that Abr burns not only from RPGs, but also from KPVT when they successfully hit especially in the barn’s ass, i.e. towers. And the fact that you don’t cackle in unison is a plus, I will evaluate as far as objectivity about objectivity.

[Watnik]

Abrams easily holds RPG-7, I laid out the proofs above.

[vlasov70]

But what about this. Here is just about RPG 7 and abr

[rolik]

Quote: vlasov70

But what about this. Here is just about RPG 7 and abr

With RPG, everything is fine. But the expert is a complete misunderstanding. The mustachioed expert broadcasts that there were no casualties from Abrasha. And then it turns out that they were filled quite a lot. And what kind of expert is this weird?

[Rebus]

Quote: Watnik

Abrams easily holds RPG-7, I laid out the proofs above.

Abrams is a shitty tank that has no tasks and a normal engine, slopped armor and it's just huge (a good target). Only a complete nerd can take it into service ... And in general, Ecuador’s air defense and abrams are completely different things
And about the word "proof", the enceclopedia says:

Proof (Proof) - A unit of measurement of alcohol strength. One proof is equal to 0,5% alcohol. For example, 80 proof means 40% alcohol.
“Combined Dictionary of Culinary Terms”

I recommend to stop drinking.

[svp67]

Quote: vlasov70

I am a new person here. For fun. A padded jacket with Fussy for a tone in a party or what? The guys obviously do not fit into the team.

Yes, this is the same person, he still has many different nicknames

[vlasov70]

And he still has nicknames, enlighten on the future.

[Watnik]

Any person, position on any issue you don’t like, just call the troll and minus, say that this one person constantly changes nicknames. Are you fucking Well, to mention any foreign technology, especially NATO, it is taboo and is fraught with the stigma of a troll.

[Rebus]

Quote: Watnik

Any person, position on any issue you don’t like, just call the troll and minus, say that this one person constantly changes nicknames. Are you fucking Well, to mention any foreign technology, especially NATO, it is taboo and is fraught with the stigma of a troll.

You are just like insulted innocence ...

[ultra]

Quote: vlasov70

And he still has nicknames, enlighten on the future.

And who knows what he’ll come up with tomorrow! Look at registration and comments!

[17085]

This article draws on misinformation for Ecuadorian smugglers. A radar of this level can be destroyed; it will never break itself.

[ultra]

Quote: 17085

he himself will never break.

Eternal or something!

[1goose3]

Commander of the Armed Forces: Ecuador has completely lost its ground defense element

The answer to the question is what is better to produce on our own or buy on the side.

[Geographer]

Let the Ukrainian Kolchuga be taken.
The chain-mail complex consists of three stations. He is able to accurately determine the coordinates of ground and surface targets, their movement routes at a distance of up to 600 km in the depth of the territory and 150 km along the front, and for air targets flying at an altitude of 10 km - up to 800 km. [

[SEM]

Well, now is the time to think and purchase normal equipment from Russia)))

[rus9875]

It doesn’t hurt us to think about what kind of bookmarks are in our computers, because not only network hamsters use them

[albatross]

Let the commander of Ecuador buy our equipment. Or is there no limit to stupidity? Gaddafi had old stuff, Hussein had it, and now Assad and Ahmadinejad have it. They think they are at the market, they can bargain. They'll eat you whole, American friends.

[VadimSt]

The World Trade Organization needs to adopt a trade agreement in which it will oblige China to add one word to the information about the manufacturer (Made in China) - Attention or, Caution! Made in China.

[Space]

Deza 100%.
Not a single military man will say out loud - “our country is left without radar coverage.” Anyone can get a doublet. And China will dragon and check how the neighbors will react and if the reaction is not correct, shit on the head with super parrots.
But that’s why there are Chinese electronics all around and why the Americans are friends with China just like they are with us - they smile and smile, and they build around the base, the answer is in resources.
Read
RARE EARTH ELEMENTS AS A FACTOR OF GEOSTRATEGIC GAME. China's monopoly, Brazil's potential and the resource capabilities of the Kuril Islands
http://win.ru/konspirologiya/1322641756

Now, if you read into scrap
http://video.yandex.ru/users/ntdrussian/view/1688/user-tag/ntdtv/#

[Uncle lee]

The Chinese have two problems: quality and quantity.

[Alikovo]

Chinese goods are never reliable: my father bought a Japanese jigsaw, but it was made in China while working with plywood, after 5-6 minutes it started smoking. conclusion: they have all the goods g..but.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Alikovo

Chinese products are never reliable

Let me not fully support you. More than 15 years ago I bought a Phillips baby “balabolka” made in China? Believe it or not, it’s still alive, even the tape mechanisms are alive. I won’t say anything about the CD turntable. The device is fully operational and no one needs it, but the toad won’t let you throw it away, it starts to choke you. Most of our computers are made there. And if you are unlucky with the rotor, then it’s not fate. My drill/screwdriver machine has Russian markings, but it was made in China, it works like a bug. Advice, buy devices designed to last! If you need breaks from work, it says so in your passports, think about it!

[Vtel]

Isn't it these radars? It would be better if they bought it from our traffic cops for half the price.

[Butchcassidy]

(conversation between Gandalf and Frodo "The Fellowship and the Ring")

- Frodo, look carefully at the ring, what do you see?
- Some inscriptions... Wait... Made in China!
- That's what I was afraid of...