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Modernization of the Russian Air Force

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Modernization of the Russian army continues. The Ministry of Defense recalls that before the 2020 of the year a program will be implemented for a total amount of up to 20 trillion rubles. This amount will be purchased new warships, submarines, armored vehicles, aircraft and helicopters. It is planned to attract private developers to create promising units of military equipment. There is information that civilian companies can “share” their specialists with the military to help solve certain technical tasks.




In terms of investing in military development, not only state-owned companies express their interest. Many companies with a certain percentage of private capital want to contribute to the development of the army. One of these companies may be Aeroflot. Today about the company Aeroflot reviews can be found on the site avia-talk.ru.

One of the main developments in the military-air sphere is the development of a new Russian 5 generation aircraft - the PAK FA. This aircraft began to be developed several years ago. In 2010, he first rose to the sky. It is planned that the PAK FA will go into service in the 2016 year in the serial version. The main niche for the PAK FA is the replacement of such aircraft of the RF Air Force as Su-27.

There is also a so-called export modification of the 5 generation aircraft. In joint development, Indian partners are most interested today.

The basic one weapons, which is already equipped with Russian development, are air-to-surface missiles. In addition, the PAK FA will be equipped with an installation for combat with other aircraft that will approach the aircraft at a sufficiently close distance. The Indian modification of the PAK FA aircraft (T-50) will be equipped with BrahMos missiles.

The total cost of the aircraft project, which has been developed since 2002, is more than 60 billion rubles. It is planned that one such aircraft will have a price of about 100-110 million dollars, and therefore all costs will quickly pay off, since many foreign countries are interested in the PAK FA. But first of all, the new generation aircraft should still be delivered to the Russian aviation parts.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2013 15: 50 New
    21
    "50" BEAUTIFUL !!!!! But such beautiful planes cannot fly badly.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 18 2013 15: 58 New
      17
      The people, someone will say, they will be in service with the Russian Federation or not:



      The last mention of them, as early as October 25, 2012:

      Russian Air Force will arm themselves with MiG-35 fighters in 2014


      http://lenta.ru/news/2012/10/25/mig35/

      Who knows what the fate of the Mig-35 is?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 16: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Nevsky

        The last mention of them, as early as October 25, 2012:

        From that time until silence request
        1. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 April 19 2013 00: 51 New
          0
          Everything will be fine with him.
      2. Watnik
        Watnik April 18 2013 16: 18 New
        -32
        35? Nobody needs it, and it’s not completed yet. There will never be orders for it. If the car was normal - they would have ordered it, and since the Moscow Region does not look at it, it is obvious that they will not buy it.

        They’ll do it right by the way - you don’t need to buy SUCH for such grandmas. It is better to buy a normal Su-30 and 35 with 34.
        1. Watnik
          Watnik April 18 2013 16: 40 New
          +2
          Okay. Since the patriots vehemently minus I will explain why the Mig-35 is not a good aircraft: it costs a lot, is not much cheaper than the Su-30, the operation is also expensive because it has two engines, which is already obvious, and all this despite the fact that the TTX is clearly very weak. With its mass, it’s simply an incredibly low load-range compared to the same small Gripen, while the 35 is also heavier, the TTX in the BVB has sharply decreased, and the eternal misfortune of Russian aviation is the most severe NO WEAPONS, because it has nothing to shoot Yes, and there are no CC containers in nature. Well, the Beetle in it is unknown whether they managed to bring it to mind. Thus, I can conclude that he is not male, but Su-35 / 30 / 34 is needed.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE April 18 2013 20: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: Watnik
            Thus, I can conclude that he is not male, but Su-35 / 30 / 34 is needed.

            That is why such an eternal problem of greed and selfishness, if the blanket would be pulled over itself? Is there not enough money for you? Do not put them in one basket. The eternal war between the T-90 against the T-80, the KA-50-52 against the MI-28, Krasnopol versus the centimer, the SU-27 against the MIG-29, why can’t both this and that masterpiece be developed. But these are factories where people work, these are design bureaus that are being improved, experience, knowledge. We must not compete, we must cooperate and help each other, because the task is the country's overall defense capability. In general, the latest tendency to reduce the number of weapons adopted by the Ministry of Defense is scary, it’s wrong, everything should be taken into service, but the quantity of one or another model can be argued.
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 19 2013 01: 13 New
              0
              How to develop two masterpieces, if you don’t have enough money to start at least one masterpiece in a normal series? Not 48 pieces by 2020, but 48-60 each year at each plant.
          2. Zubr
            Zubr April 18 2013 22: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Watnik
            Okay. Since the patriots vehemently minus I will explain why the Mig-35 is not a good aircraft: it costs a lot, is not much cheaper than the Su-30, the operation is also expensive because it has two engines, which is already obvious, and all this despite the fact that the TTX is clearly very weak. With its mass, it’s simply an incredibly low load-range compared to the same small Gripen, while the 35 is also heavier, the TTX in the BVB has sharply decreased, and the eternal misfortune of Russian aviation is the most severe NO WEAPONS, because it has nothing to shoot Yes, and there are no CC containers in nature. Well, the Beetle in it is unknown whether they managed to bring it to mind. Thus, I can conclude that he is not male, but Su-35 / 30 / 34 is needed.


            My friend for a critical approach, PLUS you! .. wink

            But think about why our potential "FRIENDS" are going to modernize their entire fleet of F-16s? Although they are LTH and TTX they are far away in ZADN ITSE, relative to our MIG-29. And we need a close-range fighter, unfortunately we have no others.
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 April 19 2013 16: 44 New
              0
              The F-16, a successful aircraft and its flight characteristics and performance characteristics, coupled with a reconnaissance, control and operational system, bring the MiG-29 to its knees. I am a little familiar with them (29) (Pyutnitz, Andreapol, Domna) Of course, in a certain range of altitudes and speeds, it is out of competition, but combat contact, these are a lot of factors, and it is difficult to impose your battle tactics on the enemy. The software-modeling complex gives the victory to the adversary if you play in a normal way. True, the machine is stupid, and sometimes it was necessary to see "honest" results (here it pressed down, there it took away) as a result, an overwhelming victory for the MiG-29.
        2. Retx
          Retx April 18 2013 16: 41 New
          0
          Another concussion with empty words ...
          Quote: Watnik
          for such grandmothers to buy SUCH is not necessary. It’s better to buy normal Su-30s and 35s with 34

          It is cheaper than all the above aircraft.
        3. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 April 19 2013 00: 52 New
          +1
          Do not remember who sits on purchases ?.
        4. staser
          staser April 19 2013 02: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Watnik
          Nobody needs it, and it’s not completed yet. There will never be orders for it. If the car was normal - they would have ordered it, and since the Moscow Region does not look at it, it is obvious that they will not buy it.

          In fact, it is very close in characteristics to the MiG-29K, which is starting to fill both our naval aviation and Indian. So do not load it.
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 18 2013 16: 55 New
        +9
        In 2013-2014 at the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhny Novgorod, it is planned to begin serial production of the MiG-29K, which is technically close to the MiG-35. As of March 2010, India has signed a total of 45 MiG-29K fighters.

        The MiG-35 participated in a tender for the delivery of 126 combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force. At the first stage of testing, it was the MiG-35 that demonstrated the best results: the remaining bidders were faced with problems of starting the engines in the rarefied atmosphere of the air base where the tests were conducted.

        However, instead of officially announcing the winner of the tests, the Indian Air Force asked the manufacturers to make appropriate changes to the design of the aircraft fuel systems. As a result, the military department chose the European Typhoon fighter and the French Rafale as finalists of the tender. The official reason for the failure of the MiG-35 at the competition was unsatisfactory performance on 14 points, in particular, demonstrated by the Zhuk-MAE radar station and RD-33MK engines.

        On May 4, 2012, President of Kazakhstan N.A. Nazarbayev expressed interest in the MiG-35 fighter.

        The Commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the Southern Military District announced the possibility of purchasing 4 MiG-35s for the Air Force and Air Defense Command in the coming years.
        1. Watnik
          Watnik April 18 2013 16: 59 New
          +6
          You confuse K and the 35th. K will be iron and goes to the fleet.
      4. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 18 2013 18: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky
        Russian Air Force will arm themselves with MiG-35 fighters in 2014
        http://lenta.ru/news/2012/10/25/mig35/
        Who knows what the fate of the Mig-35 is?

        I would like to please you, but alas, so far everything is dull crying
        Judging by the fact that the Mig-29K decided to put the Zhuk-M with the SHCHAR there are persistent problems with the Zhuk-A.
        In any case, you can forget about 2014.
      5. Nevazno_ S
        Nevazno_ S April 18 2013 19: 39 New
        -6
        Mig-35 should intercept the Balestite missiles, but let the fighters take care of the dryers
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe April 18 2013 20: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Nevazno_ S
          Mig-35 should intercept ballistic missiles,

          Is this a nonsense ?, or a typo.
        2. Nick
          Nick April 18 2013 20: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Nevazno_ S
          Mig-35 should intercept the Balestite missiles, but let the fighters take care of the dryers

          You are obviously confusing Mig-35 and Mig-31. The 31st interceptor, and the 35th fighter.
        3. Zubr
          Zubr April 18 2013 22: 51 New
          +1
          laughing Oh how dug! Like an excavator! wassat
      6. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 18 2013 23: 44 New
        0
        What beauties we have in the sky! I am without a bang of partiotism, just smiling at our MiGs - better than ours - there is no alternative !!!
    2. Watnik
      Watnik April 18 2013 16: 03 New
      -3
      Not bad. The main thing is that the F-22 is not inferior.
    3. 101
      101 April 18 2013 16: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The main weapons that the Russian development is already equipped with are air-to-ground missiles. In addition, the PAK FA will be equipped with a unit for combat with other aircraft that will approach the aircraft at a fairly close distance

      And the plane will have wings and a tail. What article for the sake of insertion about the company Aeroflot or something
    4. Quiet
      Quiet April 18 2013 17: 22 New
      0
      I agree !!!
    5. ministr
      ministr April 18 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      PHOTO FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    6. Quiet
      Quiet April 18 2013 17: 27 New
      +3
      "50" BEAUTIFUL !!!!! But such beautiful planes cannot fly badly.

      I agree !!!
    7. Rustam009
      Rustam009 April 19 2013 14: 50 New
      -1
      It happens and fall :)
  2. dany
    dany April 18 2013 15: 52 New
    +6
    All is well, that's just the word "modernization", somehow it began to stir up.
    1. luka095
      luka095 April 18 2013 16: 15 New
      +2
      I agree with you. The article does not generally talk about the modernization of the Air Force. It is simply said that the Su-27 will be replaced by the PAK FA in the future. The title of the article does not match the content.
      Of course, I want PAK FA to appear in the army as soon as possible.
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2013 15: 54 New
    +3
    The program is clear and already being implemented, just the situation with UAVs for RA is not clear ...
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 15: 58 New
    +6
    Another note from the series and no more.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 18 2013 16: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Another note from the series and no more
      Yes, but one nuance confuses: "In terms of investing in military development, not only state-owned companies express their interest. Many companies with a certain percentage of private capital want to promote the development of the army“I remember one analogy - the cost of practically the same type of battleships in 1914 in the Baltic, at state-owned factories, amounted to about 37 million rubles of that time, and the attraction of private capital at the Black Sea shipyards increased this cost to 40 million. Will it not work out this time too? Is the "oil and gas cushion" for the sacred cause of military construction over? Or just NEED to feed your companies? Das East Schlecht!
      1. vadson
        vadson April 18 2013 17: 37 New
        0
        so if only the price increases for these notorious 3 milenas, when Serdyukov and others like him get the price at least XNUMX times
  5. vlad767
    vlad767 April 18 2013 16: 00 New
    +2
    Well, good luck with this plane. love
  6. USNik
    USNik April 18 2013 16: 04 New
    +6
    What is the article about? Information 0. Or all the hope for the race with the participation of the "pilots" F-35 and F-22?
    1. Retx
      Retx April 18 2013 16: 47 New
      +6
      "Fly with Aeroflot and your money MAYBE will go to the development of the T50, then to sell it for export" smile I voiced the whole point of the article to you hi
    2. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK April 19 2013 01: 03 New
      0
      The presence of a link in the article indicates that it is placed here to promote the site. For such an article, and even in the main feed, the site administrators unfastened at least 10k rubles. Although with the current performance for sure more.
      1. KuigoroZHIK
        KuigoroZHIK April 19 2013 02: 20 New
        +1
        what's the minus? or am I wrong?
        These publications are called SEO articles. They are used to promote a specific request in SERP.
        I work in this area, so you can believe me.
  7. Vtel
    Vtel April 18 2013 16: 07 New
    +3
    Higher and higher and higher we strive for the flight of our birds and let every Amer not hear the sound of our turbines - Stealth However!
  8. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 18 2013 16: 12 New
    +3
    Where does the article come from and why should I find out about Aeroflot? laughing
  9. erased
    erased April 18 2013 16: 16 New
    +1
    It is interesting what the Air Force will be like in 2017.
  10. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 16: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: erased
    It is interesting what the Air Force will be like in 2017.


    Well, fly, as if something will be modern :)
  11. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 16: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Watnik
    35? Nobody needs it, and it’s not completed yet. There will never be orders for it. If the car was normal - they would have ordered it, and since the Moscow Region does not look at it, it is obvious that they will not buy it.


    I would not be so categorical. It's just that the Sukhoi lobby is very strong. And the MiG-35 has a good AFR "Zhuk" and maneuverability, thanks to the OVT. It would be ideal for deployment in the small Kaliningrad region. to cover important objects in the North-West direction of the Russian Federation.
    1. Watnik
      Watnik April 18 2013 16: 46 New
      -9
      It's just that RSK Mig has not been able to make airplanes for 25 years, that's all. I have already argued above.
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev April 18 2013 16: 52 New
        +2
        The arguments are just shine.
        1. Watnik
          Watnik April 18 2013 16: 59 New
          -5
          Thanks I was trying.
    2. eagle11
      eagle11 April 19 2013 16: 34 New
      0
      In order to be afraid (and therefore respected), Kaliningrad needs a plane with a clear superiority in performance characteristics, alas the MiG-35, it does not shine here.
  12. tttttt
    tttttt April 18 2013 16: 33 New
    +1
    Something I do not really believe in such rainbow cheers, patriotic puppy squeals about the PAK FA ... There is no engine. And in the future it will not be clear whether it will be? It looks like an advertising-patriotic campaign. Problems in aviation are over the roof! To restore the production of MIG-31, this is the case! The car is just the most unique! It is not for nothing that recently the issue of this MIGA was submitted to the State Duma for consideration. Yes, and the number of remaining cars suggests that the amers were most afraid of them, because right now, the production of the Falcon line was almost dismantled and it is not known whether the machines will be left. a little over a hundred left.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 18 2013 16: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: tttttt
      Something I don’t really believe in such patriotic puppy squeals in such a rainbow cheers about PAK FA


      Why not. It has been "nurtured" in the minds of the designer for so many years that it may well turn out
      1. Watnik
        Watnik April 18 2013 16: 53 New
        -4
        Just again, there is a lag behind the Americans. F-22 flies for almost 20 years and exists in 200 copies.
        1. Retx
          Retx April 18 2013 17: 11 New
          +4
          Remind you what happened in 91?
        2. vadson
          vadson April 18 2013 17: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Watnik
          Just again, there is a lag behind the Americans. F-22 flies for almost 20 years and exists in 200 copies.

          current recently removed from him the restriction on a half-hour flight to the base and the recent incident is still unknown how it will end
          http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5822/
          1. vadson
            vadson April 18 2013 19: 38 New
            +1
            no, I’m just curious even who and for what and for what reason minus, please argue.
            criticize the site - military parity is useless, compare the dates of the same news here and there. there they appear earlier
        3. vadson
          vadson April 18 2013 19: 50 New
          +7
          especially for you, the amer proletariat - f-22 Series production of the aircraft began in 2001. On January 14, 2003, the first F-22 entered the Nellis military base, located in the Nevada desert.
          a total of 10 years trying to fly, did not participate in any conflict because bullshit, was not born to work on the land. 200 pieces? if memory does not change 197 all together plus how much it got. The requirements for it were formed in 1981 - more than 20 years of work as a result, a complete ass:
          on earth does not work
          against air defense - sucker
          worth more than gold
          the project is closed (production)
          does not participate in battles
          falls regularly
          as a result, the conclusion was that it was created as an airplane against the USSR, there was no USSR but the air defense remained and opposed about 200 pieces of the entire Russian air defense suicide of amers. with the rest of the poits not fighting for no one in the air + again air defense. conclusion why an airplane not needed by the army
        4. rolik
          rolik April 18 2013 22: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Watnik
          F-22 flies for almost 20 years and exists in 200 copies.

          Is it called flying? lol
          All these years they can’t bring him to mind. One thing will be covered, then the pilot will almost bend the flippers from suffocation. Fucking dull shit, not a plane. But the dough on it mattress defenders raised a lot. I wish to continue to produce the same guano laughing
        5. kostyan77708
          kostyan77708 April 19 2013 08: 20 New
          0
          if it can be called flying, it costs more and it is constantly troubleshooting
      2. tttttt
        tttttt April 18 2013 17: 51 New
        +4
        You see, we repeat amers. Or maybe not so that it would not be offensive. Those trends that were once laid down in the project that became the PAK FA, amers have already implemented. Whether they stole it or did it themselves, they did it. We moved to the position of the catch-up. Do we need this particular project now? Aircraft of the 6th generation? The concept has not yet been worked out, although the concept of an attack drone is most likely maturing, or maybe something else, but it is already necessary to work ahead of the curve here. As the saying goes, "The retainer loses" means parity. Here I agree with Rogozin, maybe not everyone understood him when he said that it is necessary to look for ways and solutions ahead of the existing world technical and scientific (I say in my own words). And the MiG-31 already exists, it has already been created, it flies, it is an incredibly beautiful and formidable machine, not repeated by anyone, and no one will repeat it for another 10-15 years. It rises to 37 km. Can probably shoot down satellites. That is why I say that they sawed them, be healthy, right now it is necessary to restore it laughing good
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 18 2013 18: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: tttttt
          You see, we repeat amers. Or maybe not so that it would not be offensive. The amers have already implemented those trends that were once laid in the project that became PAK FA. Whether they stole or made themselves, but they did. We moved on to catching up. Is this project really needed now?

          The machines are different. Matrasov emphasized invisibility to the detriment of maneuverability, we emphasize maneuverability to the detriment of invisibility, so that we will see who is right. On the 31st, he is not able to carry out the tasks that are assigned to front-line aviation but about the modernization, I agree with you on everything 100,31m there is something to do.
          1. tttttt
            tttttt April 18 2013 19: 31 New
            +2
            And do not fly the interceptor to the front, there are enough cars. The north is exposed, and the MIG-31 solves the tasks of controlling the northern regions of Russia, and intercepting everything that flies there, and cruise missiles, in which case, too.
        2. vadson
          vadson April 18 2013 18: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: tttttt
          You see, we repeat amers. Or maybe not so that it would not be offensive. Those trends that were once laid down in the project that became the PAK FA, amers have already implemented. Whether they stole it or did it themselves, they did it. We moved to the position of the catch-up. Do we need this particular project now? Aircraft of the 6th generation? The concept has not yet been worked out, although the concept of an attack drone is most likely maturing, or maybe something else, but it is already necessary to work ahead of the curve here. As the saying goes, "The retainer loses" means parity. Here I agree with Rogozin, maybe not everyone understood him when he said that it is necessary to look for ways and solutions ahead of the existing world technical and scientific (I say in my own words). And the MiG-31 already exists, it has already been created, it flies, it is an incredibly beautiful and formidable machine, not repeated by anyone, and no one will repeat it for another 10-15 years. It rises to 37 km. Can probably shoot down satellites. That is why I say that they sawed them, be healthy, right now it is necessary to restore it laughing good

          enlighten at the expense of 37 km, otherwise I thought that I’ll climb 20
        3. servant
          servant April 18 2013 18: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: tttttt
          But the MIG-31 already exists, it has already been created, it flies, it is an insanely beautiful and formidable car that has not been repeated by anyone, and no one will repeat it for another 10-15 years. It rises to 37 km. Maybe you can shoot down satellites. That's why I say that sawed them be healthy, right now you must restore laughing good

          From this you spiz .... l !!!! Mig-31 and Mig-25 a little let you know different planes! Do not fuck nonsense ...
          1. tttttt
            tttttt April 18 2013 19: 50 New
            0
            Yes, true, this is a MiG-25 record negative
        4. evil hamster
          evil hamster April 18 2013 19: 56 New
          +1
          I propose to go further and restore the production of Mig15 bis, and yet close the pack to hell - this is not our method, only guns are only hardcore.
          1. Fussy
            Fussy April 18 2013 19: 58 New
            0
            Quote: evil hamster
            restore production mig15 bis

            Come on, moment-15bis. There is an instant-9, in general a fine plane, I’m inviting, and with such a NS-37.
          2. tttttt
            tttttt April 18 2013 20: 46 New
            0
            Yes, no one says that, close. The conversation is simply that we are placed in the position of a chasing one. Well, the amers defined the concept of the 5th generation, mind you, they are not us, as it was before, when we equaled our cars. Probably the point is not to catch up, but to cut the corners, to go forward to apply the paradoxical decisions inherent in the Russian mind. Change the principle of propulsion, control, weapons. Work for the future. Well, in terms of aesthetics, yes, the plane is beautiful. By characteristics and application, we will wait and see.
            1. rolik
              rolik April 18 2013 22: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: tttttt
              Amers defined the concept of the 5th generation, mind you, they are not us,

              They defined their concept. And we have a bit of our own concept. And why not make highly manoeuvrable stealths if the mattresses have failed. As a result, we will have a full fifth generation, and not mattresses. Here, in principle, this is the point.
            2. evil hamster
              evil hamster April 19 2013 00: 45 New
              +1
              So what have you determined? and what are we catching up with? What is the problem then? I’ll tell you even more (keep the template tight enough) despite the aggressive peer, I’m sticking out and not wanting to notice the successes of others, the Americans are very good at making planes. Yes, they have mediocre and frankly disastrous cars, but nevertheless they are one of the best in the world in this matter. And from the fact that it was the Americans who put forward the ideology of the 5th generation, it did not become incorrect, it is also obvious that we have our own opinion on this issue and in the T50 the accents are somewhat different.
              Quote: tttttt
              Probably the point is not to catch up, but to cut the corners, to go forward to apply the paradoxical decisions inherent in the Russian mind. Change the principle of propulsion, control, weapons. Work for the future.
              these are all abstruse general phrases, and the country needs a specific weapon and not futuristic reasoning. Let's be specific, how are you going to cut corners there "Change the principle of the propulsion unit" said done by the turbojet engine ftopku your suggestions: LPRE, piston with propellers, oars ?, "controls" - what will we throw out: elevators, directions, ailerons-flaperons? what instead of them? Or even nafig aerodynamic surfaces - are we going to gas dynamics? "weapons" - not a question of RVV in the scrap more godless Yankes use - what instead? Cannons onli? Lasers? to give the pilot an imperial heavyball or an optional slingshot?
              Give your suggestions, otherwise I am also for everything good and progressive, against everything bad and backward
    2. Canep
      Canep April 18 2013 16: 56 New
      10
      Quote: tttttt
      Something I don’t really believe in patriotic puppy squeals about PAK FA in such a rosy cheers ... There is no engine.

      If it flies without an engine, then so be it.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup April 19 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        Brilliantly said plus
    3. avt
      avt April 18 2013 17: 01 New
      11
      Quote: tttttt
      Something I don’t really believe in such patriotic puppy squeals about the PAK FA ...

      And don’t talk !! Everything is lost!!! Americans are already doing the 6th generation! laughing Fifth already sucks laughing What we are going to do ? request Can Poghosyan on the pitchfork? laughing
      1. tttttt
        tttttt April 18 2013 17: 59 New
        0
        Not yet done. But the concept of the 6th generation is already being worked out, which we also need to do. After all, the correct breakthrough concept determines the future path of development.
        When in the last quarter of the 20th century microelectronics technologies began to move by leaps and bounds in the world, they thought that soon our entire cosmos would be, yeah, schaz! And it won where it shot - in iPhones. And the whole world still flies into space on Queen’s rockets! A good start, however ...
        1. avt
          avt April 18 2013 18: 28 New
          +6
          Quote: tttttt
          Not yet done. But the concept of the 6th generation is already being worked out, which we also need to do.

          UV, let go. Well, thank God only a concept. laughing Well, we can easily overtake them, so we need to announce what we will do in the 7th generation, not even practice it, but immediately do it. laughing The main picture is a powerful one to push somewhere in military secrets. Well, like amers, Osprey has not yet deployed, and a new picture of the next generation is ready for Poghosyan’s forks! laughing Guano war, the main thing is maneuvers.
          1. tttttt
            tttttt April 18 2013 19: 48 New
            +1
            laughing Oh well, I won’t say anything about Poghosyan, I don’t know this man, but apparently he is in his place.
          2. rolik
            rolik April 18 2013 22: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: avt
            , here it is necessary to declare what we will do 7th generation

            What’s the seventh? Let's announce the creation of the 10th generation for fun, let them have a stroke. And six months later, China will announce the release of the 11th generation.
            It is not a matter of what the generation is called, but how it will fly. The mattresses do not have the 5th generation, the 4th is, and the fifth is netuti. Even if they call their irons even the Raptor, even the Sraptor, they better not fly.
        2. kostyan77708
          kostyan77708 April 19 2013 08: 33 New
          0
          and who said that they do not work out for us? They work out the gimmick, they just don’t crack the whole world, but quietly do it. But the mattress needs PR to lure its allies into rolling the dough allegedly for development, but in fact it’s a mega-saw, something like that I think
    4. Fussy
      Fussy April 18 2013 18: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: tttttt
      Here is the restoration of the MIG-31, this is the thing!

      This is of course a matter, it remains only to find out why. The MiG-31 still has no tasks.
    5. Tersky
      Tersky April 18 2013 19: 03 New
      +7
      Quote: tttttt
      There is no engine. And in the future, it will not be clear? It looks like an advertising and patriotic company.

      from 16.11.2012 11:30 to the Russian Army, News.

      The scientific and production association Saturn has begun preparing a new engine for the promising T-50 fighter (PAK FA) for bench tests. This was stated by Yevgeny Marchukov, general designer and director of the Lyulka Scientific and Technical Center, which is part of Saturn. Testing of the new engine will begin in 2014.http: //army-news.ru/2012/11/dlya-pak-fa-razrabatyvayut-novyj-dvigatel/

      “In iron, the engine will be ready in two years, and bench tests will begin, and its refinement will go. This is a fundamentally new engine, so it takes a long time to create, ”said Marchukov. According to him, the specific gravity of the new power plant will be 30% less than that of the AL-41F1 (“Product 117”, a modified version of the AL-41F1S engine for the Su-35), known as the engine of the first stage. As expected, the cost of living the cycle of the new engine will also be almost a third less than that of the AL-41F1S and, according to Marchukov, “it should be cheaper”. The new engine for PAK FA known as the second stage engine or “Type 30” will be significantly different from the currently used “Product 117”. The latter will be installed on the first production vehicles until the development of the Type 30 engine is completed.

      Not much is known about the new power plant for the T-50. According to preliminary data, the new Type 41 engine will differ from AL-1F30 in increased traction and increased fuel efficiency. According to unconfirmed reports, the power plant will be able to develop traction of 107 kilonewtons in cruising flight mode and in 176 kilonewtons afterburner mode.

      In April 2012, the General Director of NPO Saturn Ilya Fedorov said that the creation of the second stage engine was ahead of schedule, and the start of the delivery of new power plants to the Russian Ministry of Defense was planned for 2015. In the same year, the first serial T-50s should enter the Russian Air Force.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 18 2013 19: 24 New
        +6
        And in pursuit - The engine for the Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA) is at the stage of preliminary tests, which are successful.
        This was reported to ITAR-TASS by the head of the engine development program, general designer of the Lyulka Scientific and Technical Center (Moscow branch of NPO Saturn) Evgeny Marchukov.

        According to Marchukov, "more than 20 motors" for the PAK FA have already been manufactured.

        The program manager paid special attention to the automatic control system (ACS) developed for the engine. “For the first time, it will be built on the Russian element base. The architecture of building the system, the algorithm for managing it are Russian.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup April 19 2013 00: 40 New
          0
          Means the engine of the first stage?
      2. rolik
        rolik April 18 2013 22: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        “In iron, the engine will be ready in two years

        The Chineses have probably already pissed the whole fence around the design bureau in anticipation of when a new engine will appear.
    6. evil hamster
      evil hamster April 18 2013 19: 50 New
      +5
      There is no engine og and there is no fuselage at all, everything is an optical illusion. I’m wondering, it’s so interesting to register on the site, to carry on heresy, to kindle srach, to go to a well-deserved ban, to register on a new one, etc. ... what’s the profit?
      1. rolik
        rolik April 18 2013 22: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: evil hamster
        what is the profit?

        In moral masochism, and in the natural desire to fool everything around this, so to speak, person.
  13. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 16: 39 New
    +8
    Something I don’t really believe in patriotic puppy squeals about PAK FA in such a rosy cheers ... There is no engine. And in the future, it will not be clear?


    It will be necessary, and Item 117 will go on the first couple, which is quite good.


    Here is the restoration of the MIG-31, this is the thing! The car is just unique!


    I agree here yes

    .Yes and the number of remaining cars suggests that the amers were most afraid of them,


    I think they are afraid not only of the MIG-31BM, but of Poplar M, and Mace, and Yars, etc.
  14. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 16: 45 New
    +6
    Okay. Since the patriots vehemently minus I will explain why the MiG-35 is not a good plane: it costs a lot, not much cheaper than the Su-30,


    But better than the Su-30 yes

    operation is also expensive because there are two engines, which is already obvious, and all this despite the fact that the performance characteristics are clearly very weak. With its mass, it’s simply an incredibly low load-range compared to the same small Gripen, while the 35th is also heavily weighted, the TTX in the BVB has sharply decreased, and the eternal misfortune of Russian aviation is the most severe NO WEAPONS, because it has nothing to shoot Yes, and there are no CC containers in nature. Well, the Beetle in it is unknown whether they managed to bring it to mind.


    No problem. F-35 also can not bring to mind, and also duplicates many niches. The radar is great. Two engines? So what? Discard an entire Mig branch?


    Thus, I can conclude that he is not male, but Su-35 / 30 / 34 is needed.


    Judging by the date you registered, your negative rating. In the topic of Su-35/30/34, you will be happy to vanish on these machines, just give a reason ...
    1. Watnik
      Watnik April 18 2013 16: 56 New
      -2
      But better than the Su-30
      Worse. The range / load is an order of magnitude lower, and if the Irbis is finally pushed into the Su-30, then there is no chance at all.
      Two engines? So what?
      The fact that the cost of operation is many times higher than that of Gripen and F-16 with one.
      No problem. F-35 also can not bring to mind, and also duplicates many niches. The radar is great. Two engines? So what? Discard an entire Mig branch?
      The radar is excellent only in advertising campaigns. They also shouted at the MRK that the radar was excellent, though they sat in a puddle with it.
      Discard an entire Mig branch?
      In fact, they have long been abandoned. The latter in the Air Force are going to get rotten, and the MiG-29K goes to Kuzya.
      Judging by the date you registered, your negative rating. In the topic of Su-35/30/34, you will be happy to vanish on these machines, just give a reason ...
      What?
  15. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 17: 09 New
    +3
    But better than the Su-30
    Worse. The range / load is an order of magnitude lower, and if the Irbis is finally pushed into the Su-30, then there is no chance at all.


    Do not shove. Irbis purely for the Su-35


    Two engines? So what?
    The fact that the cost of operation is many times higher than that of Gripen and F-16 with one.


    Gripen we are not going to buy. Russia is not India to buy other people's planes. wink


    No problem. F-35 also can not bring to mind, and also duplicates many niches. The radar is great. Two engines? So what? Discard an entire Mig branch?
    The radar is excellent only in advertising campaigns. They also shouted at the MRK that the radar was excellent, though they sat in a puddle with it.
    Discard an entire Mig branch?

    Everything is fine there. It's just that the MiG-35 became a victim of the Indian policy, where the principle: "put everything in different baskets"


    In fact, they have long been abandoned. Pthe last in the air force - get rottenand MiG-29K goes to Kuzyu.


    "Dongiut"? Have you already decided on the Homeland?


    Judging by the date you registered, your negative rating. In the topic of Su-35/30/34, you will be happy to vanish on these machines, just give a reason ...
    What?


    And the fact that you are pleased to pour mud on the arms and army of the Russian Federation, to spread defeatist moods ..
    1. Canep
      Canep April 18 2013 17: 16 New
      +4
      It’s not worth it to kick out. Watnik scored -500 rating per hour, but registered 2 hours ago. It looks like Pancake, who was banned 4 hours ago.
      1. rolik
        rolik April 18 2013 22: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        It looks like Pancake, who was banned 4 hours ago.

        Drive him a stake in the heart)))) can then calm down in peace am
    2. Watnik
      Watnik April 18 2013 17: 18 New
      -3
      Do not shove. Irbis purely for the Su-35
      It is not known yet. They really want to, but it’s for the future.
      Gripen we are not going to buy. Russia is not India to buy other people's planes.
      I don’t say that.
      Everything is fine there. It's just that the MiG-35 became a victim of the Indian policy, where the principle: "put everything in different baskets"
      What? It turned out at the MRK that the radar was not ready, as the Migovites themselves said, saying that the Beetle manufacturers did not have time to bring it to the specified characteristics. There was also a claim to the smokeless chambers of the engine, for the 35th child was like a steam locomotive.
      "Dongiut"? Have you already decided on the Homeland?
      What do you think they do? Yes, they’ll get rotten, well, I don’t know what to call it. Develop a resource. My homeland is Russia.
      And the fact that you are pleased to pour mud on the arms and army of the Russian Federation, to spread defeatist moods ..
      To whom? I only registered today, I have about 15 posts. I don’t water anything.
  16. Apollo
    Apollo April 18 2013 17: 12 New
    +9
    handsome man good
    5 generation T-50 fighter
  17. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 18 2013 17: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: RETX
    Remind you what happened in 91?


    He will now say: "got rid of the accursed Scoop!" It is obvious.
  18. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 18 2013 17: 36 New
    0
    It would be necessary to remove the same articles from the site. Perhaps a program of some kind, of the type: "anti-plagiarism". That is, the author drives the text into check, if there is no such article, he publishes, if there is, he redoes it. Minor fine for violation :-)
  19. vovanchik
    vovanchik April 18 2013 17: 40 New
    -10
    modernized modernized but not modernized!)))
  20. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 18 2013 17: 47 New
    +2
    In addition, the PAK FA will be equipped with an installation for combat with other aircraft that will approach the aircraft at a fairly close distance.

    Hello to everyone except the trolls.
    So it seems to be something like a multi-barreled laser cannon extending from the belly. Or just a couple of huge axes ... Why not just write "cannon" and "melee missiles". Athas, schemers ..
    1. viktorR
      viktorR April 18 2013 18: 51 New
      0
      Not schemers, but simply incompetent authors. Written in some language NTVeshnikov
  21. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 April 18 2013 17: 48 New
    +4
    Peace to your home, dear !!!! The modernization of the Armed Forces of Russia, this is certainly good !!!! It's just wonderful !! It pleases !! BUT the main thing in this matter is that the denyushki allocated to this business really go to modernization, and not to accounts officials! After all, the amount is not small allocated !!! And where there is a lot of money, there are big temptations !!!!

    Regards to you!
  22. darksoul
    darksoul April 18 2013 18: 19 New
    +4
    The plane is good ... it will have a great life, here are some comrades about the flaws mentioned ... look at the F-35 flaws heap and a small cart, the F-35 has scared away not all potential buyers, but our designers have time .. . promised to pass the T-50 in 2015 what I wish them good luck
  23. lazy
    lazy April 18 2013 18: 28 New
    +1
    the article does not match the title
  24. APASUS
    APASUS April 18 2013 18: 32 New
    -1
    I still did not understand what kind of interest Aeroflot has in military matters ??
    Can Aeroflot buy a couple of Dry ??
  25. Whatnick
    Whatnick April 18 2013 18: 35 New
    -20
    It would be better to buy the F-16 of the last blocks and the F-15SE than the soviet flying coffins of SSukhov.
    1. ultra
      ultra April 19 2013 15: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Whatnick
      than soviet flying coffins of SSukhov.
      We will throw you on wooden! hi
  26. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear April 18 2013 18: 38 New
    0
    people and it is not known how much are they going to buy in general 50x after gvp2020?
  27. Kostia1970
    Kostia1970 April 18 2013 18: 39 New
    +5
    article blah, blah, blah
  28. SEM
    SEM April 18 2013 18: 51 New
    0
    If we begin to severely punish the thieves of the allocated money for this purpose, then only then everything will be fine)))
    1. alexander rus.
      alexander rus. April 18 2013 19: 33 New
      0
      Strongly said. The main meaning is deep. It remains only to begin.
      1. SEM
        SEM April 18 2013 22: 47 New
        0
        I think you have no doubt that it's time to return the death penalty for undermining Russia's defense
        1. alexander rus.
          alexander rus. April 19 2013 03: 37 New
          0
          I, as a citizen, would support a return to the ugly code of articles providing for the death penalty - for premeditated murder, terrorism (blowing up residential houses, etc., etc.) - in general, everything that was in the USSR. But WHO will initiate it, WHO will make decisions, vote! State Duma? Feder's advice.? Ministry of Internal Affairs? "the fish rots from the head", "to live with wolves like a wolf howl", "a hand warms a hand", "a raven will not peck out a crow's eyes" and so on. They will not pass laws against themselves - the poor millionaires - they care about their defense! And the people? Who listened to him when? And what to listen to? Rudeness, insults, sycophancy ... "Section
        2. alexander rus.
          alexander rus. April 19 2013 04: 13 New
          0
          "Divide and rule" - that's what they are in power. Facts are a stubborn thing. In fact, I agree with you. Be healthy.
  29. waisson
    waisson April 18 2013 19: 18 New
    +1
    we export faster than the native troops and you need to make the priority of the troops and then the foreign market but it won’t be so the foreign market offers real money and inside we have candy wrappers and the heads of the military-industrial complex are corrupt remember the recent scandal with the former director of one of the largest arms factory
  30. Day 11
    Day 11 April 18 2013 19: 32 New
    0
    Article by nothing
  31. Grieg
    Grieg April 18 2013 19: 34 New
    +1
    Stop writing assurances about what will happen. Write what has already been done.
  32. Dr. Manoff
    Dr. Manoff April 18 2013 20: 25 New
    +2
    Russia needs a strong army. Otherwise, we cannot survive in this world !!!
    1. horoh
      horoh April 18 2013 21: 04 New
      +1
      Not only strong but also high-quality, and high-quality not only technically.
  33. Yves762
    Yves762 April 18 2013 20: 55 New
    +1
    Sorry, but the article is about nothing: all this has already been said by someone, and more than once. request
  34. Gecko
    Gecko April 18 2013 21: 16 New
    0
    That would have tightened control over funding.
    And then, as always, half of the pests are stolen.

    "Saw, Shura, saw. They are golden."
  35. cahekmosa
    cahekmosa April 18 2013 22: 43 New
    0
    ё-mine, the experimental plane is still being tested, and God knows what’s done with it
  36. albatross
    albatross April 19 2013 01: 50 New
    +1
    Inflation should be done less, and in 7 years there will be not 20 tr. Rubles, but all 10 tr. rub.
  37. qx56v8
    qx56v8 April 19 2013 03: 49 New
    0
    What is this strange modification ??? : O
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 19 2013 03: 55 New
      +2
      jammer
      1. qx56v8
        qx56v8 April 20 2013 19: 00 New
        0
        Mi-8 PP chtoli? or PPP ... or which one ... their millions of modifications ...
  38. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov April 19 2013 05: 15 New
    0
    We need different aviation, we need a lot of aviation. Any car brought to mind will fit in its niche. Why break a copy here? ..
  39. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 April 19 2013 06: 02 New
    0
    Yeah PAK FA is super, it's a bomb good
  40. Tatar
    Tatar April 19 2013 08: 11 New
    0
    what experts will say about the idea. On upgraded MiG-31s ​​it will hang an ultra-long-range missile 40N6E s from the S-400 complex with the refinement of the marching accelerator; it is surveyed and guided by the U-50 (U-100) with its long-range locators. so I think the enemy’s planes can be brought down at a distance of 500-700 kilometers. and all other planes for finishing off. if we assume that the 40N6E missile weighs 2 tons with an Mig-31 load capacity of 8 tons, the number of these on planes is 4 pieces. the number of blinks on Wikipedia is 252. the total number of missiles is 1008, a strong rebuff to adversaries))
    1. lesnik.
      lesnik. April 19 2013 09: 22 New
      0
      [quote = Tatarin] on an upgraded MiG-31 will hang an ultra-long-range missile 40N6E from the s-400 complex [/quotehttp://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/298/wttt126.jpg]


    2. shinobi
      shinobi April 19 2013 09: 23 New
      0
      The idea is certainly interesting, but the current is in terms of firing at satellites and in general in near space. What kind of kaku did our air force work when it was allied in response to Reagan's SDI. And what do you dislike about the serial r-37s? They hit 300 km. Powerful enough If you hit any flying super device of potential appants. On the approach of KS-172, God forbid, the memory will be hit for 400-500 km depending on the warhead.
      1. lesnik.
        lesnik. April 19 2013 09: 30 New
        0
        Super long-range aviation missile class “air-air” KS-172

        The KS-172 super-long range air-to-air missile (product 172, 172S-1, K-100) has been developed by the Novator design bureau since 1984. The development was based on the design decisions from the second stage of the well-proven 9M83 missile of the S-300V ground defense air defense systems of the Ground Forces (export version of Antei-2500).

        CHARACTERISTICS
        Control system .. combined guidance system (ANN) with radio correction on the marching section and a homing radar on the final flight section
        Aerodynamic controls
        Firing range, km 300-400
        Speed ​​of the target, km / h 4000
        The average speed of a rocket, m / s 1400
        The height of the defeat of the target, m 3000-30000
        Target overload, units 12
        High-explosive fragmentation warhead
        Number of steps 2
        Missile length, mm:
        - full 7400
        - without starting stage 5800 - 6000
        Max. case diameter, mm 400
        Max. diameter of a starting step, mm 510
        Starting weight, kg 700 - 750
        Type of propulsion engine RDTT
        Type of starting engine RDTT 3L10
        - length, mm 1400
      2. Tatar
        Tatar April 19 2013 09: 58 New
        0
        about the R-37. I think that while he’s flying the same 300 km, the enemy’s plane will have time to fly to melt the launch of his rocket, if the brother of the Americanos rocket has a maximum launch of 180 km. if you take anti-ship missiles, then up to 300 kilometers is already a risk. as well as from a very very long distance, and you can hammer at Avax
  41. Marconi41
    Marconi41 April 19 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    Article - Nothing! But the photo is cool !!!
  42. Genoezec
    Genoezec April 19 2013 16: 56 New
    0
    Put the T-50 on your desktop! Grade photo!
  43. Rossmk
    Rossmk April 20 2013 12: 22 New
    0
    We ought to "stick" Bra-mos on the PAK-FA. Still, the rocket is serious.