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“I went to the army because I broke the nose of a policeman”

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Soldiers serving in foreign armed forces - on army life, war and salary



Four former soldiers who served in the armed forces of the United States, Israel, France and Germany, told "Moscow news“What they teach, what they feed and how much they pay in foreign armies.

Igor B., US Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, served from 2000 onwards

“I went to the army because I broke the nose of a policeman”- To get into the US Army, citizenship is not required, only the green card, but there are places where the green card is not needed. Now everyone is taken, but no one wants to go, because they send him to war. Afghan, Iraq ... I’ve heard about the fact that the troops will be withdrawn for five years. Marines will not withdraw, that's for sure. Tankers - maybe.

In order to be accepted into the army, you need to pass the test of the first two classes of school, then a medical examination, a physical culture test - that's all. I have been involved in sports since childhood, I was world and European champion in martial arts, so it was not very difficult for me. That's when he wanted to go to the elite (reconnaissance of the marines), hell began there ... According to 20, they hindered shit hours a day. I passed everything, though I almost died. First, your psyche is completely broken, and then it is rebuilt. Turn into a half-robot, half-man. This is achieved by constant training and humiliation.

Relations between colleagues are good, fights within the unit did not happen, they are severely punished for them. When you go to a special school for scouts and snipers, there instructors have the right to spread rot to you, but in no case beat. In addition to one lesson, when the type you were captured, and an hour above you mock. And so there is no bullying. For this immediately prison!

Marines are different because you are always thrown into hell.

I went to the army because I broke the nose of a policeman. And I had a choice: either to prison or to the army. Cope was dressed in a civil and drunk, it was in the bar. To plant, I think, they wouldn’t have planted, but they would have condemned the courts, so my uncle sent me into the army and sent me away from sin. He said: he broke his nose, and tomorrow the bank will rob! And in the Marine Corps, all the guys are desperate, there are no hoses. From Spain, Croatia, Morocco, Canada, USA. There are children and descendants of officers. There are those who are simply kicked out of school. Marines are different from other units in that you are the very first to land on enemy territory, you are always thrown into hell. At first we all thought: they can kill anyone, but not us. And then I had to bury my friends and collect them in pieces. A lot of things accounted for.

Domestic conditions in the army at altitude. You can live in the barracks, on the ball, or rent an apartment for 50% of the rental price: the rest is paid by the army. A private gets 1300 dollars a month, and when you serve outside the US, your salary is not taxed. In the dining room - 50 types of dishes, meat is always there. You take a tray and go, choose what you want - I do not know what it is called in Russia.

Those who serve in the army receive foreign citizenship. The service provides many benefits, free tuition, interest-free mortgage, free insurance

An ordinary day goes by like this: exercise, food, study, sports, personal time after 19.00. You are fully provided with everything you need. Those who serve in the army receive foreign citizenship. The service provides many benefits, free tuition, interest-free mortgage, free insurance (except for a dentist). In the war we spend 9 months in the year, mostly in the deserts, but the living conditions there are quite good: there is air conditioning, a gym, internet and television. In short, the United States does not regret money for its army ...

After two years of service, I entered the Military Academy (West Point). This is in order to prove to myself that I am cool, and so that the energy goes out. The most difficult test during school - there are worms. This is, like, a situation where you either die of hunger or eat something.

I am already an officer, I have a house in Los Angeles, 380 square meters, a car and a motorcycle. For my salary, I can afford a lot of things. On vacation I can go to any country in the world. And most importantly - there is confidence in the future.

If your troops went further, we would stand up for Georgia. Russian for me who are? Essentially, no one

Where did I fight? Iraq, Afghanistan ... They hardly started in Georgia. If your troops went further, we would stand up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back home. Would I have been warped to war against Russians? Not. Russian for me who are? In fact, no one, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves hate their country the most. And why so, I do not know. I have a lot of familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not very kindly about their country.

Romance in the army passes very quickly. Whoever serves and fights for a long time, cannot then take root in civil society. Heavy. I serve with 18 years. Now I have 31, and I don’t want to be a citizen: civilians are straining me with their children's problems! If I could go back, I would go to the army again. Because there are many true friends who will help you at any time, in any situation, in any country. We are more comfortable at war than at home. Probably because we were taught to kill.


Alexander Lyubarsky, Head of the Photo Agency of the Kommersant Publishing House, served in the Israel Defense Forces in 2001-2003 years

- I went to Israel to become a citizen of the country, and the service gave more benefits for this. He served in the ground special forces.

At that time I did not know anything at all about the army - neither about the Russian, nor about the Israeli one; everything was new to me. When I called, I was 20 years old, the company was of the order of 50 people of different nationalities and ages, and 18-year-old girls commanded us. So they taught the discipline: the bosses are the bosses, even if this girl does not understand the belmes in the army. We had almost the entire former Soviet Union in our company: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Uzbeks and Caucasians. In other companies there were Americans, French, British.

The course of the young fighter was very difficult, again I would not want to pass it. Studied Hebrew, went in for sports. Learning the language was very important: there was a Russian-speaking officer in my company, but he could not say a word to us in Russian.

In the army, I was provided with everything - both morally and financially.

For breakfast they gave egg, yogurt, cornflakes or porridge. Lunch - instant juice, bread and chocolate. Meat dinner, then snack. Milk dinner with fish. Kashrut was observed.

In the army, I was provided with everything, both morally and financially. If I had some kind of problem, for example, with a rented apartment in a civilian, then I could turn to a special employee, a girl who dealt with the problems of soldiers. And the question was decided by the army. Or - my friends and I rented an apartment, and there was no furniture. I walked over to the girl, and during the week I was driven by a truck, in which there was a washing machine, and a refrigerator, and a good bed, and bedding, and dishes — all used, but in good condition. For a salary I could afford anything. I was a lone soldier, that is, I had no one in the country, and for such soldiers there were some privileges: if an Israeli received 250 dollars a month, then I earned about 1500-2000 dollars with all extra charges. I was given a phone card, once a year I paid for a trip to Russia.

In the Israeli army, the soldier has three mandatory points: to sit in prison, fight with an officer and ... fall in love with an officer

Once I did not have the money to go to layoff, and the guys with whom I rented an apartment said that there was no food at home. I went to the officer and asked to leave me at the base, explained that there was no money for food. He says, “Just a minute,” and he left. He comes back with an envelope of money and a box of provisions, says: “We got rid of the officers, here, take home some food. We cannot leave you in part: you are not punished for anything. Go home, rest. ”

I did not part with the machine twenty-four hours a day. Participated in the fighting. It was not terrible, and in general military service was a bright spot in my Israeli life.

In the Israeli army, a soldier has three mandatory points: to sit in jail, fight with an officer and ... fall in love with an officer. As for the prison, the usual barracks is a tent in the desert, and we all sleep in a sleeping bag. And in prison you live in a room, you have normal bedding, you work in the territory, and you have two weeks, you think, vacation, but they are added to the term of service.

Hazing is there, but it is legal in the customs: if you are an old soldier, then the officers do not touch you, you do not get up in the morning in fact and outfits. It is a tribute to the fact that a person has been serving for a long time and has already seen a lot. There was no particular conflict, and it is not necessary to force someone to wash their socks if you’ll quit in two weeks.

After demobilization, money is accrued for housing and for study - they were enough for one or two years of study. After the army, I went to work abroad, and then I came to visit my parents in Russia. At that time, another intifada began, and I was going to go to Israel, but my father would not let me. I haven’t gotten since then: there have already passed so many wars, and all without me.


Ivan Morozov, an entrepreneur from St. Petersburg, served in the French Foreign Legion in 2010-2012

- I knew from the third year of high school that I would go to the Legion: it was interesting for me to live in another country and serve in the army. I thoroughly prepared: I went in for sports, I learned the language, I learned how to get a French visa, I corresponded with legionnaires, I searched for information on the Internet.

I was very attracted to army service, and at some point I even wanted to sign a contract with the Russian armed forces. But our army is defensive, and in the French there are business trips: Chad, Cote d-Yvoire, Djibouti, Polynesia, all former colonies.

Selection to the Legion consists of several stages: a health check, sports tests, an intelligence test and logical thinking, and the most important is psychological research. They take fingerprints, check for a criminal record, for drugs. If a candidate is selected, they will be signed for five years. One of nineteen people arrives.

In France, legionnaires love for the fact that they, foreigners, shed blood for France

We had seven people from Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, we talked every day. There were soldiers from the United States, from England, Germany: many want to gain experience of service in the Legion. In France, he is very much appreciated, legionnaires are loved for the fact that they, foreigners, shed blood for France. When we went to the city in full dress, we were very friendly met.

The salary allowed us to have a good weekend: on Friday after seven I was free and until six on Monday I had to return to the unit. Most traveled on weekends, very few people saved. We had to buy in the store for a part of the automatic device for cleaning the machine, good backpacks and sleeping bags: the ones that we were given out were very cold.

At six in the morning there was breakfast: coffee and a croissant with honey or butter. Lunch at 12 hours: salad, small baguettes, main course, you can take the additive, dessert. There was actually a buffet, and the chef was, like me, from St. Petersburg, and he was preparing Russian cuisine, borscht ... In four months I gained a kilogram of 12, although I ran 12 kilometers a day. It was a very good training: I did not think that I could run 14 kilometers per day with a backpack and full equipment.

The two Americans fell on the first day, but the sergeant ran up, cheered them with a stick, and they ran again

It was not so difficult for me to cope with physical exercises because I had been preparing for the service for three years. And there were those who did not prepare. The two Americans fell on the first day, they began to feel sick, but the sergeant ran up, encouraged them with a stick, and they ran again. In the Legion there was an expression: “Legio Patria Nostra” - “Legion is our family, our Fatherland”. And if someone falls, others should come back and help. Conflict especially did not arise.

I served in the tank division. There was only one business trip - I would not like to say where. I was not scared, because I myself went to it, I was perfectly aware of everything, and indeed I’m afraid a little in this life. And one of the main reasons for my termination of the contract ahead of time was the fact that after the first business trip my squadron had to go nowhere for another two years. And I wanted to go and shoot.

After the service I became another person: I gained experience, learned a language, I have many comrades from different countries with whom we keep in touch. I managed to open a small business in St. Petersburg with money accumulated in the Legion. Other guys bought cars, apartments, and someone just spent in tatters.


Andreas Schlinkke, Dortmund, Germany, served in the Bundeswehr in the 2006 year, served under the contract with 2007 to 2009 year

- I was born in the USSR, in Kazakhstan. My grandfather was from the Volga Germans, he was moved to Kazakhstan as a child when his family started World War II. At the beginning of 90's parents divorced, and his grandfather went to Germany. I went with him. Since then he lived in Berlin, graduated from school there, was drafted into the army. I didn’t know what to do, I didn’t decide on a profession, so when the service ended six months I decided to sign a contract for two years. Moreover, I was interested in the army. I served in the engineering troops.

During military service, there were a lot of exercises, occupations in the specialty, the only thing left was that they were jokingly called the “Prussian inheritance” - this is when a non-commissioned officer forces you to march to stupor. But it was only in the first two months of military service. And during the contract service this was not at all. I was very pleased that when you run cross with weapons and ammunition, the officers run along with the recruits. They perform all the same duties that we perform. I mean physical activity and work with technology. They know what they are doing, they can quickly teach you a lot.

When I signed the contract, the attitude of the officers and non-commissioned officers improved, they became more outspoken, more open. Those guys who served in Kosovo, told how it was there, shared their experiences, explained how to behave in combat conditions. This knowledge came to me in Afghanistan later.

We took part in two operations to clear the Taliban of the whole province. Generally, it is difficult to understand who the Taliban and who is the peasant

For six months between recruitment service and a business trip to Afghanistan, I studied engineering: maintenance of equipment, quick commissioning of crossings, and swing bridges. This is not in the literal sense of the work of the builder, it is the work of the engineer who serves the special equipment. As an engineer, I went to Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan, I served two years, once I went on vacation home, to the funeral of my grandfather. My unit took part in two operations to clear the whole province from the Taliban. Collided with them and on patrol, and the protection of the camp. In general, it is difficult to understand who the Taliban is and who is simply a peasant. Our camp was periodically bombarded with mortars and machine guns. There were no casualties, only wounded. Shot from those places where there are houses of local residents, or from the road. With response fire, we seldom caught anyone either. For all the time, only once the shooter caught. He was not lucky, he shot out and began to leave, and ran into our patrol, which had strayed from the route. We first surrendered it to our intelligence officers, and in the morning the Americans came for him. He, fortunately, did not get into any of ours. If I did, then I could not wait for the Americans.

In the incomplete two years that I spent there, eight were killed, another twenty were wounded. But most of them got off easily. Only three of them were unlucky; they blew up on a mine when they were driving to the camp with vehicles. There, like the guys amputated someone hand, who leg.

The Americans treated the war like some kind of rodeo - they started to shoot, if suddenly a branch where it moves

The most difficult part there was patrolling one sector with the Americans. You see, we had a shift schedule of patrols. One day there is a patrol of the Americans, one day is ours, one day is the British. At first we worked after the British, everything was fine and calm, for the five patrols in which I was, not a single shot. And then the British were transferred to another place, and so we began to go in line with the Americans. And it was hell. Americans, not all, of course, but very many, fired at everything that moved a little on the sidelines. There were a lot of very young guys, and there were plenty of scumbags. They had a different perception of this war. We treated her like a job, and they felt like a rodeo. Well, not all, but many. And these Wed ... e cowboys started to burn, if suddenly a branch where it moves. There were wounded among the locals and the dead. Afghans were furious, they wanted revenge. And they do not know anything about our schedule. So it turned out that the Americans will arrange their fireworks, and the next day we get a queue from a machine gun on armor or a grenade. Then, however, everything returned to normal. These morons have been transferred somewhere. Experienced soldiers arrived instead. Some sort of special unit or something like that. These were the best soldiers I saw. Not only in the American army, but in general, in all those encountered in Afghanistan.

When I was recruited, I received about 600 euros per month. I will not name the salary under the contract, but it was much higher, several times. This amount is comparable to what a bank employee or an office clerk receives. If I returned to civilian life, I could not earn so much right away. Well, I would not have a specialty. After demobilization, I got a good job at one of the construction companies in Dortmund, where I now live.

I'm not a fan of the army, just at that time I was interested. Thanks to the service I understood a lot. She helped me to feel like a German.
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  1. soldat1945
    soldat1945 April 19 2013 07: 00
    30
    The article is more like a commercial, so they say look how cool we are! on the Internet there are other opinions of those who served in these armies!
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      Khokhol-MSC April 19 2013 07: 21
      30
      And as for me, so good article. And then according to those videos about which you are talking, one gets the impression that there is all such a "lamo" and a step without "mothers-nannies" can not do.
      In general, there would be more such articles, because understanding the enemy is the key to victory.
      1. soldat1945
        soldat1945 April 19 2013 14: 17
        +7
        I did not quite understand what experience can be gleaned about the enemy, except that they have no conflicts, hazing inside, and they earn good money for service, neither about military training, nor about the moral and psychological state during military operations, nothing is said they weren’t afraid of everything they taught to kill, this does not happen therefore the article was called advertising. Yes, and note how everyone focuses on the fact that there is no hazing, and watch videos about the same US Marine Corps in YouTube, and their films also show a slightly different army that is not wide. Consumer of course!
        1. lazy
          lazy April 19 2013 14: 42
          +7
          "They interfered with shit for 20 hours a day. I went through, although I almost died. First, your psyche is completely broken, and then it is rebuilt. They turn into a half-robot, half-human. This is achieved by constant training and humiliation." there is humiliation and no bullying, but for me it's the same eggs only a side view. make a half-human
      2. Army1
        Army1 April 19 2013 16: 28
        +7
        Does anyone think that the United States would stand up for Georgia? The naive bear Sukashvili thought so.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok April 19 2013 22: 25
          +1
          USA and Iraq? USA and North Korea? Democrats are handing over something, because they promised to bomb all of them.
    2. Alexander
      Alexander April 19 2013 07: 24
      12
      In general, a series of articles about traitors to the motherland.
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous April 19 2013 07: 49
        +5
        which of them is a traitor?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 19 2013 08: 37
          63
          "Would it joke me that I am fighting against the Russians? No. Russians are for me who are they? In fact, nobody, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves hate their country the most. And why so, I don't know. I have a lot familiar emigrants from Russia, and they do not speak very kindly about their country. "

          This beast is a traitor. A traitor is a person betraying for an idea or material interests. Reptile, dumped where the ass is warm and dry, and even believing that to shoot at the people who raised you, this is normal, there is a traitor. Well, at least such a stuffed animal is now in the appropriate form, you will not confuse it, if anything.
          1. urich
            urich April 19 2013 08: 56
            +2
            look wider. read the lines. If a person came to Russia, then he needs something here, something is holding. Otherwise, why would he go here? In addition, he gave an interview to the media. You wanted him to say that he would not fight against us? upon return would be immediately dismissed! Fuck him breaking his life. He is at 100% sure that NEVER will fight against his homeland. And, since he likes his work, he appreciates it and gave such an interview. And if it is associated with the SRP, then this is generally a classic trick to avert suspicion.
            Unless, of course, this is a complete bastard ...
          2. Iraclius
            Iraclius April 19 2013 09: 15
            24
            Vladimiretsif they say so, then they already have the answers ready. Like, there is only one difference between you and me - I was able to leave, but you cannot. And we hate Russia equally.
            In general, I noticed one curious pattern - as a rule, very notorious people and those who were often pounded at school leave. I’m making a conclusion not just like that, but based on observations of the fate of my classmates, and I changed schools in my time - darkness and darkness (father is also an officer of the Armed Forces). So the traitor is a pathological condition in some way, when some subconscious or obvious grievances are not directed at specific people, but are projected immediately onto the whole country.
            Plus for the comment.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 April 19 2013 18: 41
              +6
              People are leaving who think they will leave their problems here. And there they will live without them ... But the problem of a person is not outside but inside him. You can't get away from yourself. And if you realize this - a weak person who ran away from decisions in the hope that nothing will have to be decided, not to keep the psyche intact. So they include compensation - "I broke free from Hell !! And here is PARADISE !!" They tirelessly repeat this to themselves, so as not to notice - as they did not pull to cope there, nothing has changed. And repeated emotional repetition of the same thing (tell a person a hundred times that he is a pig - and he grunts) changes the psyche. So they are traitors, yes. And they stubbornly engage in self-education in the mainstream of betrayal, cherish and cherish him.
          3. Stiletto
            Stiletto April 19 2013 09: 28
            29
            “If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back, home. Would it joke me that I’m fighting against the Russians? No. Who are the Russians for me? In fact, nobody, to be honest.”


            Wait, God willing, we'll see you again. Along the way, you got drunk and healed in this world. You will meet real Russians, then you will find out what HELL is, bastard! "
            1. Yashka Gorobets
              Yashka Gorobets April 19 2013 13: 43
              +5
              Seems to me this Igor B. speaking last name, reflecting its essence.
          4. bord731
            bord731 April 19 2013 11: 43
            11
            First, your psyche is completely broken, and then it is rebuilt. Turn into a half-robot, half-human. This is achieved by constant training and humiliation. After such words - what can we talk about? He was turned into an animal - which can only kill, eat and sleep ... Therefore, he has no one to fight with on the drum and there can be no talk of any patriotism ...
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel April 19 2013 12: 52
              +8
              A lot of thinking soldier is a problem soldier. So they were deprived of this duri, so that later he would not doubt the true values ​​of democracy
            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 April 19 2013 18: 44
              +3
              Read how to realist an American book with the lyrical title "Worms". It describes the training cycle of the American Marine. It helps a lot to understand why Americans need to fight against. Till the last breath...
          5. fzr1000
            fzr1000 April 19 2013 16: 34
            +2
            I think that he was already born there or taken out at a young age. It is unlikely that such a traitor is direct. And about his attitude to us, well done, the army psychologists there. They know how to pump their brains.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 19 2013 16: 42
              +1
              Quote: fzr1000
              I think that he was already born there or taken out at a young age

              You are going the right way, comrade. But only army psychologists need to put a plus. There, it seems, everyone is being treated. Talk to civilian "Russian" Jews fromssssr-russia, get a similar result. Like the first Igor, he doesn't care about Russians, because only there he pretends to be "Russian", he is shy to say that he is far from Russian. lol
          6. Ghenxnumx
            Ghenxnumx April 19 2013 22: 31
            +1
            Quote: Author Anna Baidakova, Nikita Petukhov
            Would it bother me that I’m fighting against the Russians? Not. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves most of all hate their country. And why so, I do not know. I have many familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not particularly affectionate about their country.

            Quote: Vladimirets
            This beast is a traitor.

            +++ to you hi . But his reasoning made me laugh - fundamentally the opposite: the traitors of the Motherland gathered and scammed her, so the Homeland is bad fool , but what else can they say about the country that they betrayed? am
        2. broker
          broker April 19 2013 09: 25
          +8
          As for me, the one who immigrated and sitting there Rus obsessed like the first Americans in the article !!!
          I have guys in business who my friends lived in both Europe and America, so they say that on the contrary, Russians have patriotism rushing in full swing for their homeland !!!
          That's it !!!
          1. Atlon
            Atlon April 19 2013 10: 16
            20
            Quote: broker
            that the Russians over the hill patriotism rushing with might and main for their homeland !!!

            In fact, both are window dressing. Emigrants are losers who have not found use in their homeland. In a foreign land, they are ALWAYS on the second or third roles. However, they NEVER admit this either to themselves, or even more so to former compatriots! Hence the "dislike" for the Motherland, and the condescending attitude towards former compatriots, they say, I here grabbed God by the beard, and you are there and swarm in shit! On the other hand, new compatriots will be told about their patriotism towards their former homeland. I feel sorry for these people, for they cause nothing but pity. Those who betrayed their souls for the sake of pleasures for the body are spiritually poor. It is delicious to devour all the joys in their life. Poor.
            1. Samuray
              Samuray April 19 2013 10: 33
              0
              Well, I would say so categorically! I know many talented Russian guys and girls who, moreover, were not notorious and not cowardly who were not allowed to work or engage in scientific activities in the radin. Many of them immigrated to the United States and achieved impressive results in science and business, which would not be possible in Russia. Therefore, to say that they are traitors living for the stomach is not true! So they left and leave to be able to create and create science
              1. Iraclius
                Iraclius April 19 2013 10: 41
                14
                I do not believe in this. They go solely for the sake of dough. USA and altruism? No, have not heard! lol
                Talent and profound mental disorders are by no means mutually exclusive paragraphs. My observation does not pretend to be a hypothesis, and certainly a scientific theory - a purely personal experience.
                Quote: Samuray
                science and business, which would not be possible in Russia

                You won’t believe it, but I know a lot of guys and girls in Russia who also do science or business.
                In Russia, there is a saying - where he was born, it was useful there. That says it all.
                1. Samuray
                  Samuray April 19 2013 10: 50
                  +4
                  Maybe you are right, but unfortunately in Russia there are still a lot of officials about whom Dostoevsky and Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote, who do not see beyond their nose and do not give the opportunity to work for many of the talents who remained at home. There are of course exceptions, but this is more likely an exception.
                  1. Iraclius
                    Iraclius April 19 2013 10: 57
                    22
                    Dear Samurai! I won’t tell you about Zvorykin, Chizhov, Tsiolkovsky and many others who didn’t do the loot and in such a fierce time that you won’t wish the enemy. I also won’t tell you about Comrade Perelman, who huddles with his mother in a small apartment and looks at your millions of killed deer as if they were UG ...
                    I have no excuse for the man who, in pursuit of the loot, voluntarily abandons a country that, at the very least, has raised him and educated him. Moreover, he serves in the army of potential opponents of his homeland. It is cynical and looks like a mockery of elementary holy concepts.
                    And do not soar my brains about officials. In Western firms, you will only deal with what they tell you. And what brings loot. What creativity are you telling me about?
                    1. Fl000d
                      Fl000d April 19 2013 11: 48
                      -5
                      It is one thing to serve a foreign country, fighting, possibly against the homeland, another thing is to earn money. Why not? If it’s civil, I don’t see anything like that. And I will remind you about the military personnel that they study in our military educational institutions - they take over experience, serve, and cooperate. Is it worth seeing betrayal?
                    2. Samuray
                      Samuray April 19 2013 12: 20
                      -7
                      As for what they say what to do, you are not quite right! Many scientists live off grants. And grants are given for a specific topic and you are free to choose according to your taste and work. And then, as far as I know, in Russia there is no serfdom and a person is free to go and work wherever he wants. And to call him a traitor only because he wants to live with dignity is extremely wrong
                      1. Atlon
                        Atlon April 19 2013 12: 49
                        +7
                        Quote: Samuray
                        And to call him a traitor only because he wants to live with dignity is extremely wrong

                        Your trouble is that you, as a young man (judging by the statements), do not distinguish between concepts, and moreover, are engaged in their substitution. Rather, it’s not you, but your Western friends, on whom you pray, have replaced concepts, and you don’t know the true meanings of words ... I’ll try to explain to you:
                        Living with dignity does not mean (as you think) satisfying, beautiful and fun. In Russia, with dignity - it means CONSCIENCY. By the command of the heart, and not by the command of the stomach. Decently, this does not mean to buy a new car or a new-fashioned gadget, worthily it means to love the Motherland, parents, value friendship and get up in a single rush, when the Motherland is in danger. Here is what is worthy. And in your opinion, with dignity, this is when the ass is warm.
                      2. Samuray
                        Samuray April 19 2013 13: 27
                        -3
                        Well, yes, I forgot that Russia is the center of world spirituality, it’s strange that the level of corruption goes off scale
                2. Egoza
                  Egoza April 19 2013 11: 47
                  +6
                  Quote: Samuray
                  do not give the opportunity to work for many talents who stayed at home

                  You can leave and achieve success, but do not pour mud on your homeland! Where did you get education? Talent must first be developed, and then put up for sale in the west. Who developed your talent? Here from this point of view and consider those who left.
                  1. Samuray
                    Samuray April 19 2013 12: 16
                    -1
                    You probably read my post inattentively, there are no hints that someone is pouring mud on their homeland. Why not work in the West and earn money? Not everyone knows whether they want to live on a pretty penny
                    1. Rebus
                      Rebus April 19 2013 12: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Samuray
                      Why not work in the West and earn money? Not everyone knows whether they want to live on a pretty penny

                      Judging by your posts, you do not like living in Mongolia. I want to remind you that China is mainly to the west of you, are you going to go there?
                    2. Samuray
                      Samuray April 19 2013 13: 18
                      -1
                      Actually, I'm not a Mongol and I work in Mongolia on a contract basis. My specialty allows me to work in other countries
              2. PiP
                PiP April 19 2013 14: 16
                +3
                Haha
                Quote: Samuray
                officials about whom Dostoevsky and Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote
                as if in other countries there are none ...
            2. Fl000d
              Fl000d April 19 2013 11: 44
              -2
              And you didn’t think that people simply do what they like - what they like, where they feel better — more like it. And if they didn’t like it with us, it was our problems and our fault - they did not create conditions, did not give anything - it doesn’t matter. Believe me, not everyone is eager to overcome wild difficulties for no one knows why. You, as a lover of sayings, remember the one about mountains and smart ones. Artificially created difficulties just to overcome them? And not everyone is obliged, flaming with patriotism, to overcome them - someone just wants to do what he wants. And even for the sake of dough. Making money where they can is much better than not doing anything at all, sitting in poverty and complaining about your country.
          2. Atlon
            Atlon April 19 2013 12: 36
            +3
            Quote: Samuray
            who were not allowed to work or engage in scientific activities in a radin.

            Brekhna

            Quote: Samuray
            Many of them immigrated to the USA and have achieved impressive results in science and business.

            Impressive to whom, to you? Or is buying a used yellow Buick and getting a taxi license already considered "impressive business success"? laughing Give examples and names of particularly successful ones recognized by the international community? wink

            Quote: Samuray
            which would not be possible in Russia.

            Nonsense ... BAB achieved "tremendous success" in business, just in Russia, and in England as a businessman, he turned out to be bankrupt, went bankrupt and died in poverty. A very "stunning" success! good
            1. Samuray
              Samuray April 19 2013 12: 39
              0
              Let's not compare scum, there are other more successful examples. Which are far from politics and do not distance themselves from the homeland. Well, about examples, google in the internet
              1. Atlon
                Atlon April 19 2013 13: 20
                +4
                Quote: Samuray
                Well, about examples, google in the internet

                I don't need it. I PERSONALLY know many people who live in exile. When a former Soviet person asks his "former" friend, classmate who came to visit, to pay for the accommodation (because "everything is very expensive here"), your words about a "decent" life in the West raise doubts. At least from the point of view of the body (everything is expensive!), At least from the point of view of the soul. I cannot imagine such a situation in Russia.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak April 19 2013 17: 02
            +2
            Quote: Samuray
            I know many talented Russian guys and girls to

            I also know quite a few of them. For example, I went to Israel alone with my old mother and son. From a warm, familiar place. Yes, she was not allowed to study science, because apart from: "I know!" could not do anything. So what's next, you ask me? And the fact that in Israel she was not allowed to engage in science. All she could do was work in a logistics company. With a series of layoffs, layoffs and job searches.
        3. krisostomus
          krisostomus April 19 2013 11: 52
          16 th
          In fact, it’s a show of your political political slogans, since out of 140 million Russian citizens, no one can offer anything material except for “spirituality” to about 100 million. And with the increase in the current rate of housing and communal services tariffs and their "spirituality" will not last long. For more than 70 years, Soviet people were weaned from the material by instilling the "spiritual", only now all this "spirituality" came out in the 90s and everyone tried to do the "joys of the body." It’s a pity for you - apparently you didn’t succeed with either “body” or “spirituality”. Or maybe it just happened to arrange a "body" - and now you can talk about "spirituality".
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 05
            15
            Hmm ... I bought an apartment, soon the second on the horizon. No cars yet. Will be needed - buy it. My wife works, I work. We do not steal, we pay taxes, did not participate, were not involved ... We go to the theater, read books, discuss what we read. Friends are with common interests.
            So what are you talking about "torso" and "spirituality"? Chrysostomus, why did the USSR do anything wrong to you that you hate him so much?

            PS A part of Europe that is proudly called the Baltic States is happy ?! Well, well ... Why then, how do cockroaches scatter from their native expanses ?! Sucks living, right? Run away soon, enter into same-sex marriages ... Live European, in general. A holy place is never empty - we will come. It will be easier for us.
            1. krisostomus
              krisostomus April 19 2013 14: 40
              -2
              Yes, the USSR, like today's Estonia, did not do anything good or anything bad. Everything depends only on me and I can only rely on myself then as now. I know that truly "spiritual" people, as a rule, do not exaggerate their "spirituality" to others, and even less do they teach others about "spirituality." Well, the 90s very clearly showed all the hypocrisy of Soviet "spirituality", when in three generations those brought up in strict "spirituality" began to create such things that the "spiritless" never dreamed of.
              Well, as for the part of Europe in the Baltic states, we live in any case no less happily than in the USSR or today's Russia, but there is more order. And scatter from our dear open spaces no more than from other open spaces. The only difference is that we Tajiks do not make up for population growth. And in conditions of free migration, I think that in your open spaces there would be much less people.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 19 2013 16: 38
                +2
                Sly, young estes are running from Vaterland in EUROPE, but to the States ... It is not promising for you ...
          2. The cat
            The cat April 19 2013 12: 06
            19 th
            The “spirituality” of Russian life means that the main produced and consumed product in Russia is not material wealth, but Ponte. “Spirituality” is the inability to throw them properly. The skill comes with experience and money. (C)
            1. Iraclius
              Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 10
              +5
              Wow! Piled up a whole philosophy. Westerner? Huh?
              I’m watching on free Ukraine spirituality and rushing. Our 90s are long over, and your Donetsk boys have just dragged you there by the hair. And not the fact that your free Ukraine will get out of there. I feel sorry for you, with your defective thinking forever offended.
              1. The cat
                The cat April 19 2013 12: 29
                -3
                Quote: Iraclius
                Wow! Piled up a whole philosophy. Westerner? Huh?
                That's what I look at free Ukraine spirituality and rushing. Our 90s are long over, and your Donetsk boys are just dragging you there by the hair. And not the fact that your free Ukraine will get out of there. I feel sorry for you, with your defective thinking forever offended.

                Yes, you are directly Baba Vanga and Z. Freud in one person. laughing Yeah, zapadenets, I am writing from "kryiivka", there is an MP-38 next to it, and on the table are dumplings from Russian babies.
                Badge (c), usually put when quoted.
            2. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 19 2013 17: 02
              +4
              Earlier, children said: "He said he farted into a puddle." About your pearl.
          3. Rebus
            Rebus April 19 2013 12: 10
            +7
            Quote: krisostomus
            In fact, showing off your political slogans, since out of 140 million Russian citizens, no one can offer anything material except for "spirituality"

            How can you, who do not live in Russia, judge life in Russia? Just you are spreading liberal slogans, in place and out of place you insert housing and communal services and spirituality. Keep track of the state of your economy and your human rights in Estonia. Don't make you angry, otherwise we'll come and tell you how many "T" letters are in the word Tallinn ...
            1. Iraclius
              Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 18
              10
              They won’t be able to answer us. They can only yap from around the corner, but rotten old veterans.
              I wish all sufferers to quickly blame the French Legion and die somewhere in Mali from cholera diarrhea. Good luck!
              1. Ghenxnumx
                Ghenxnumx April 19 2013 23: 05
                0
                Quote: Iraclius
                Only they can yap from around the corner, but rotten old veterans.

                So they believe that it’s safe to spread rot among veterans angry but it is for the time being am , and now they’ve become insolent - they’re offering a roof to Gazprom wassat Nord Stream laughing
          4. Atlon
            Atlon April 19 2013 13: 29
            +4
            Quote: krisostomus
            It’s a pity for you - apparently you didn’t succeed with either “body” or “spirituality”. Or maybe it just happened to arrange a "torso" - and now you can talk about "spirituality".

            Well what can I tell you? I have a family, a small business, two cars, an apartment, a house in the village (I bought two years ago, now I am reconstructing it to move from the city to permanent residence). Last year I spent gas. With my wife for two, we earn about $ 3000 per month. We have enough. Also put off. Every year we go somewhere to relax by car. More often to the Black Sea, but also to other places too (across Russia). We travel to holy and historical places. I served in the army. He was an October Revolutionary, pioneer, Komsomol member and candidate for the CPSU. Then perestroika began. I love the Motherland, the 90s passed, when many fled, I survived. And now every year is getting better. I have something to lose here. The most important thing is the soul. Russians should live in Russia.
            1. krisostomus
              krisostomus April 19 2013 15: 11
              -5
              I am a techie, and therefore I do not presume to talk about such a philosophical category as "soul", but I know for sure that any person with a "soul" will be all right if he can fully realize himself as a specialist in his field. For me, there is a difference between the Motherland and the ruling regime in the Motherland. I think this applies to the Russians as well - otherwise they would all have shot themselves back in 1991. Many who left Russia for the revolution and after it sincerely loved their homeland, remained Russian, and in terms of "spirituality" could give many who remained in their homeland 100 points ahead. That is why I do not understand your condemning attitude towards these fellow soldiers, and this is a harsh and dangerous profession.
    3. Alikovo
      Alikovo April 19 2013 12: 08
      0
      those who served in the tzahal and legion.
  2. Rebus
    Rebus April 19 2013 11: 36
    +5
    Quote: Alexander
    In general, a series of articles about traitors to the motherland.

    Not only traitors but also potential criminals
    The source of criminal responsibility for mercenarism was General Assembly resolution No. 31/34 of November 30, 1976, which stated that the practice of using mercenaries was a criminal offense and that the mercenaries themselves were criminals, and called on governments of all countries to enact laws criminalizing recruitment. subsidizing, training and transporting mercenaries on their territory and prohibiting their citizens from recruiting as mercenaries. This provision is reaffirmed in resolution No. 32/14 of November 7, 1977.



    Criminal Code Article 359. Mercenary
    1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -

    is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.

    2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a term of one to two years, or without it .

    3. The participation of a mercenary in armed conflict or hostilities -

    shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

    Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting in order to obtain material compensation and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or hostilities, who does not reside permanently in its territory, and who is not a person who is sent to perform official duties.

    I want to note that the recruitment of foreign citizens (the French foreign legion, the US army, etc.) is already an international crime ...
    So an article about criminals and their attempts to romanticize crimes.
    1. Samuray
      Samuray April 19 2013 12: 21
      -3
      And no one recruits. In the USA, to enter the ranks of the sun, you need a green card
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 19 2013 12: 25
        +3
        Accordingly, the title of the article says it all. The US Army is a convenient way to obtain citizenship and hide from punishment for crimes.
        That’s where foolish Mexicans, criminals and other immigrants roam.
      2. Rebus
        Rebus April 19 2013 12: 48
        +3
        Quote: Samuray
        And no one recruits. In the USA, to enter the ranks of the sun, you need a green card

        A residence permit, or, as you say, a green card, does not make a person a citizen, and therefore service in the army of this state is a mercenary, and a state that does not hire a citizen is a recruiter with all the ensuing international legal aspects.
        Do you have mercenaries allowed in Mongolia?
        1. Samuray
          Samuray April 19 2013 13: 20
          0
          I do not know, since I am not a Mongol and was not interested in mercenarism.
          1. Rebus
            Rebus April 19 2013 13: 45
            +3
            Quote: Samuray
            I don’t know, since I am not a Mongol

            Hitched a flag, match ....
            1. Samuray
              Samuray April 19 2013 15: 15
              -1
              Well, that’s logical. And how do you deal with mercenarism in China?
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 April 19 2013 16: 35
                +2
                In my opinion this is the flag of the USSR, not the PRC.
                1. zatar
                  zatar April 19 2013 17: 21
                  +3
                  He is illiterate, a child of perestroika or the 90s.
  3. zvereok
    zvereok April 19 2013 22: 26
    0
    Ummm ... About Serdyukov-Ivanov-Shuvalov, not a word there.
  • Fox
    Fox April 19 2013 07: 31
    +7
    Quote: soldat1945
    The article is more like a commercial

    this, a colleague, how to perceive it. The mattress, for example, writes that emigrants from Russia do not like their country ... they need to lick their asses in order to show what "true Americans" they are. About Israel, one daddy said simply: -here from army otmazali him, but in Israel it does not roll ... got into the war. BUT! returned after serving in Russia and lives praising Israel. in Germany, his wife's brother served in the army. not enthusiastic. from 8 to 17, Saturday and Sunday- output.
    1. feanor
      feanor April 19 2013 08: 17
      41
      Where did I fight? Iraq, Afghanistan ... They hardly started in Georgia. If your troops went further, we would stand up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back home. Would I have been warped to war against Russians? Not. Russian for me who are? In fact, no one, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves hate their country the most. And why so, I do not know. I have a lot of familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not very kindly about their country.

      Heh amused me this man, how they would have stood up for Georgia laughing
      As long as they began to intervene there, the Georgians would have already surrendered their capital 10 times. And the fact that Russians hate their country is not true, you just didn’t see real Russians, that’s all, but it is good for Jewish immigrants where the asshole is warm.
  • Samuray
    Samuray April 19 2013 09: 14
    -1
    My colleague serves in the 82nd airborne USA, saying the same thing as in the article. I would not say that advertising, the usual statement of fact
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 19 2013 23: 28
      +2
      Quote: Samuray
      My colleague serves in 82 US airborne troops, said the same thing as in the article. I would not say that advertising, the usual statement of fact

      Ha ha ha, which was required to prove))) laughing , another troll in the service of the Mustache angry
      But the tests for the 2nd class here on the site do not channel)))
      The troll does not need to be calculated - he himself will create laughing
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco April 19 2013 16: 02
    +1
    I immediately smiled at this quote, which says a lot .. Now everyone is being taken, but nobody wants to go, because they are sending to war.
    To be accepted into the army, you need to pass the test of the first two classes of the school, then an examination by a doctor, a physical education test - and that’s all.
    Quote: soldat1945
    The article is more like a commercial,

    I completely agree with you, on TV they showed a film from the USA, about the service of women in the army. There were no such opuses. Violence, rape, no justice, US Army, this is a state in a state. negative
  • Army1
    Army1 April 19 2013 16: 25
    +1
    The opposition came up with an article.
  • Maks111
    Maks111 April 19 2013 07: 13
    +9
    The article is more like a commercial, so they say look how cool we are! on the Internet there are other opinions of those who served in these armies!
    I agree some kind of propaganda. But this is why such Western propaganda comes out in Russia? This is already a question.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 19 2013 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: Max111
      I agree some kind of propaganda


      Listen, what kind of propaganda? Four interviews with soldiers of different armies are given. It was very interesting to read and learn something new.
      Article and posting a plus.
      The words of an American soldier are very interesting: " Who are the Russians for me? Essentially nobody, to be honest. " So we need to be more calm about them - there is and is.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 19 2013 10: 51
        12
        It is strange that it was not John, Bill or Hugh, but Igor, who agreed to give an interview with the entire millionth US Army. But this is of course an accident, you are right. lol
        Or wrong?
        And I, here, saw a subtle psychological subtext here, they say, look, this is the same Russian as you are, and he serves in the American armed forces and he is cool! And what for he did not surrender your birches and rivers. And cf ... he is on your Russia. He is so cool here that he will shoot at former compatriots at the opportunity.
        No, this is not propaganda, yeah. fool
        1. matross
          matross April 19 2013 12: 44
          +2
          Interviews were taken from immigrants from the USSR / Russia, as their perception is clearer to us. And more interesting. Well, it seems like a black man is telling blacks about service in the Russian army smile
          Quote: Iraclius
          will shoot at former compatriots

          Of course it will be. They are former. And he is in the army of a "potential ally." But he cannot be regarded as a traitor - we are not at war with the states. Until we fight
        2. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. April 19 2013 14: 37
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          И Wed ... l he is to your Russia. He’s so cool here that he’s even a former compatriot will shoot at the opportunity.


          Andrey, what are you doing, rightly Eragulate like that? ... "S ... l", yes, okay, "he will shoot", so that's what a military man is ... Reading, I saw (heard, understood) that- something new, it was interesting for me to read, to get information.
          If I read about Robinson, Gulliver, Nemo - should I think about their nationality and country? No. I just read about them and get information. The article is normal ... And many commentators correctly noted - THEM'S LIFE is at the "height". We must, try, take the best.
          Andrew, hi
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius April 19 2013 15: 14
            +1
            Greetings! hi I, in fact, not about the article, but about a number of comments.
            Very strange and even ridiculous comments that we have, they say, not the 37 year (now this year it has become fashionable to stick into any remarks lol ) and everyone is free to earn anywhere, any number and any way. Even fighting a mercenary against his homeland.
            And this despite the fact that such articles, but about the native army, I have not seen in the official press for so long.
            Quote: matRoss
            Interviews were taken from immigrants from the USSR / Russia, as their perception is clearer to us.

            This once again confirms that this is a banal agitation.
          2. Ghenxnumx
            Ghenxnumx April 19 2013 23: 44
            +1
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            "S ... l", yes, okay, "will shoot", so that's what the military man ... Reading, I saw (heard, understood), something new, it was interesting for me to read, to receive information.
            If I read about Robinson, Gulliver, Nemo - should I think about their nationality and country? Not. I just read about them and get information.

            I got this kind of information - go to war with the Mustache soldier , and a discount to various gamblers on the fact that they are former compatriots angry , it’s not worth doing - however, it was the Second World War that showed it with deficiencies from the Baltic states and zapadentsy.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus April 19 2013 07: 13
    +8
    And then I was sad. Funny that the Russian soldier said nothing.
    In general, a custom article, see how they have a GUD. And we just didn’t write, so it’s definitely not GUD. It is necessary to release an RT movie. About how well a soldier is in Russia. Also propaganda.
    1. SCS
      SCS April 19 2013 07: 23
      +5
      Quote: Tatarus
      And then I was sad. Funny that the Russian soldier said nothing.
      In general, a custom article, see how they have a GUD. And we just didn’t write, so it’s definitely not GUD. It is necessary to release an RT movie. About how well a soldier is in Russia. Also propaganda.


      there is an excellent channel called "Zvezda" (you really don't want to watch anything else)! that's where it comes!
      ---
      -"Because there are many loyal friends who, at any moment, in any situation, in any country they will help you."
      ---
      they believe that they bring justice and democracy ....
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus April 19 2013 07: 27
        +4
        Quote: SCS
        there is an excellent channel "Star"


        That is yes. But I want young people in the West (Russian-speaking) to watch and think. But should I go to serve in the Russian Army? Not in the Legion, not in the USA. Not where, namely to Russia
        1. broker
          broker April 19 2013 09: 30
          +4
          In Russia they serve for the Motherland, for the Bugr they serve for money !!!
          1. Samuray
            Samuray April 19 2013 09: 34
            0
            Therefore, it is necessary to abolish monetary allowance for military personnel wink
          2. screw cutter
            screw cutter April 19 2013 14: 44
            +3
            In Russia they serve for the Motherland, for the Bugr they serve for money !!! ____________ Therefore, the Russian soldier has nothing to lose except his homeland and honor. I remember how they interviewed Americans and Russians in Prishten, like “How do you like your neighbors?” The Russians answer that it’s good for amers, showers, buffet, gym, well, how do you like it? Amer says, yes, of course it's rather simple, but your hand-to-hand fight is yes, and what impressed you so much "If you are so each other p-those, then what will you do with your enemies" PS Zadornov recalled " To incapacitate an American Marine, simply steal a roll of toilet paper from him. "
            1. Tatarus
              Tatarus April 19 2013 22: 21
              0
              Quote: screw cutter
              If you are so good at each other, then what will you do with the enemies


              Beat your own so that strangers are afraid. They would be for an exam to get a maroon beret ... Diarrhea is provided until the end of life
          3. zvereok
            zvereok April 19 2013 22: 38
            0
            I have long believed that a draftee leaving the army should have at least a year of independent life. Otherwise, it is not a service to the homeland, but slavery (of course in our capitalist conditions).

            PS: Naturally, this is not the kind of life from which the minimum wage is calculated.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 19 2013 07: 41
      10
      The article, of course, is custom-made, advertising. But to see them very hot, since in this way they are trying to attract them into their armed forces. At the same time, much needs to be done to ensure the life of the military, so that our military would have such living conditions - benefits for entering a university, providing apartments, interest-free mortgages, etc. So that no one would ever think of going to some legion there, just to earn a living. And, again, to carry out serious work to popularize the army service.
      1. avt
        avt April 19 2013 09: 47
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        The article, of course, is custom-made, advertising. But to see them very hot

        The meat ends, and on the nose is Iran. So they included agitprop. Well, the new converts forever in the indigenous masses request , then you should not be surprised and angry.
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 19 2013 12: 06
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        so that our military would have such living conditions - benefits for admission to the university, providing apartments, interest-free mortgages and more.

        Your words to God’s ears, at least for conscripts, the benefits for admission, as it was in the USSR, I think those who want to serve increased, again, an incentive for children from the backwoods to enter, and not according to the results of the European Union where Chechnya is ahead of everyone.
      3. albai
        albai April 19 2013 12: 44
        +1
        In Soviet times, there were privileges, and out-of-competition admission to universities, and employment at the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And now, no, no, and no popularization of the Army, and youth are afraid of the difficulties and hardships of serving. But in the Russian Army things are getting better, there is hope that they will go to the ICE with pleasure.
    3. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 07: 45
      +5
      Quote: Tatarus
      And then I was sad. Funny that the Russian soldier said nothing.
      In general, a custom article, see how they have a GUD. And we just didn’t write, so it’s definitely not GUD. It is necessary to release an RT movie. About how well a soldier is in Russia. Also propaganda.


      BUT OUR ARMY IS DEFENSE.
      This is the main problem of our army. There is no bullying where you can get a bullet in the back ... And so on and so on. Everything is clear as day.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 19 2013 07: 48
        13
        Hazing is not where the officer does not allow this.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 19 2013 11: 09
          +3
          Wrong you, namesake. The officer may not have a clue about what is happening. Hazing, I think, is not where the fighters are busy and depend on each other.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza April 19 2013 11: 57
            +4
            Quote: Hedgehog
            The officer may not have a clue about what is happening.

            Well do not tell! I had one graduate take a company, walked around, looked, jumped at night, to see what and how. Well there is hazing! So for almost 4 months he came before the rise, left after the lights out, and conversations, and songs with the guitar ... And there was no hazing. And the company became exemplary. And then they threw him ... well, a company lasted for another year and a half, and then everything again in a new fashion. The commander is different!
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 19 2013 14: 34
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              So for almost 4 months he came before the rise, left after the lights out,

              That confirmed my words. You can take a fighter in any way. Either by combat duty, or as in your example by your own life. Well, marry that com company, give birth to a child and all. A simple household outweigh. Either the army or the family. Probably.
    4. Samuray
      Samuray April 19 2013 09: 16
      -3
      Well, here you can read about the life-being of Russian soldiers http://lit.lib.ru/d/dedovshchina/hrw-02-rusarmy.shtml
  • SCS
    SCS April 19 2013 07: 16
    18
    “The most interesting thing is that they themselves hate their country the most. And I don’t know why this is so. I have many acquaintances of emigrants from Russia, and they do not speak very kindly about their country.”
    ---
    that’s why they are emigrants ... and I Love my Country and I believe that everything will be fine with us !!! hi
  • SEM
    SEM April 19 2013 07: 37
    +3
    I will not argue that everyone will praise something of their own but it is worth focusing on the fact that not one of these soldiers has a negative attitude towards the army in which they serve, and what is happening with us ??? Attitude to service is a determining area from which the whole quality of service later emerges .... the state understands the needs of its army and satisfies, but what about our army, what has the state done for our military ??? I love my homeland, but where is the logic here. It comes to mind only one betrayed us ... But unbreakable !!!!
    1. broker
      broker April 19 2013 09: 32
      0
      Those who served from my familiar words of regret have not heard from anyone !!!
  • Dangerous
    Dangerous April 19 2013 07: 45
    +3
    Normal article, read with interest. Personally, I believe that in Western countries, contractors receive 50-60 thousand rubles in our money and that they have comfortable living conditions and at the same time tough training. And it becomes very disappointing when it was only in 2013 that we were offered to introduce a buffet, and the salary was penny as it was, and there would be nobody else when you entered civilian life, and they have various benefits. And those who are discouraged about a custom or advertising article here - wipe your eyes awake (and figuratively, too)
    1. igor67
      igor67 April 19 2013 08: 10
      +8
      In Israel, not a contract army, but like a draft army in Russia, this is a big difference. I have served my daughter for two years.
      1. broker
        broker April 19 2013 09: 33
        +1
        The article wrote that they pay !!!
        1. Draz
          Draz April 19 2013 10: 23
          +1
          In the Russian army, the draftee is also paid, 2500 rubles to the ordinary ordinary
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius April 19 2013 09: 20
      +1
      That's what was required to prove - one client has matured! And someone says that this is not an advertisement! I thought that in the army they defend their homeland, and some, it turns out, go to get drunk there and raise the loot. This is n ... c.
      Well, go. I sincerely wish you to eat delicious worms and good luck to you! However, no. Good luck I will not.
  • DimychDV
    DimychDV April 19 2013 08: 02
    10
    Well, my boyfriend, an acquaintance on the "Varyag" served - an urgent year and three under the contract. On the contract, I received something of the order of 27 thousand re - in our region there are few places where they pay so much even at the "construction sites of the century" - although everywhere they promise a lot. Now, it seems, he gets even more, on the second contract. The cruiser is "parade", the world has seen it on campaigns, and the commander is kind of feisty, as befits a naval officer. So I drank as much service as I should. And 1000 bucks a month is quite a salary.
    In Vlada they were released on dismissal - in this way they are organized by girls, someone himself, and someone in a brothel. Experience typing. Why, sailors ...
    1. Samuray
      Samuray April 19 2013 09: 17
      10 th
      Interestingly, and for a year of service in the Navy, you can learn anything useful other than brothels?
      1. Rebus
        Rebus April 19 2013 11: 43
        +3
        Quote: Samuray
        Interestingly, and for a year of service in the Navy, you can learn anything useful other than brothels?

        Have you learned brothels, or perhaps served in the Navy?
        1. Samuray
          Samuray April 19 2013 12: 35
          +1
          I just think that with the modern equipment of the ship with electronics and various equipment it is impossible to prepare a sailor in 1, at least 3 years is necessary. Therefore, I believe that the combat readiness of the Russian Navy is extremely low.
          1. Rebus
            Rebus April 19 2013 12: 50
            0
            Quote: Samuray
            Therefore, I believe that the combat readiness of the Russian Navy is extremely low.

            But what about the combat readiness of your Mongol army?
            Very interesting.
            1. Samuray
              Samuray April 19 2013 13: 22
              -2
              The Mongol army is not mine, but under our strict control it becomes combat ready. Moreover, we are increasing the contract
  • horoh
    horoh April 19 2013 08: 05
    0
    Advertising article, or anything interesting.
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 19 2013 08: 13
    13
    The American Igor B. (B is certainly not accidental, everyone knows how B deciphers), he is ready to fight in Georgia and shoot Russians - well done, a traitor! I would just like to remind him that there were a lot of American instructors in there and they were draping along with their students!
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas April 19 2013 08: 20
    +4
    Quote: Dangerous
    Normal article, read with interest. Personally, I believe that in Western countries, contractors receive 50-60 thousand rubles in our money and that they have comfortable living conditions and at the same time tough training. And it becomes very disappointing when it was only in 2013 that we were offered to introduce a buffet, and the salary was penny as it was, and there would be nobody else when you entered civilian life, and they have various benefits. And those who are discouraged about a custom or advertising article here - wipe your eyes awake (and figuratively, too)
    We (Ukrainians) would have your problems! :-) My midshipman-mate in Sevastopol receives 4 thousand hryvnias, and his Russian counterpart-midshipman in the same place - 14 thousand. Or I recently read the blog of a policeman on LiveJournal who receives more than 2 thousand dollers in Moscow (in translation) and already believes that it is not enough ... But the relationship between officers and soldiers, military bureaucrats and "ordinary" servicemen, we have always had lousy. As I went to the headquarters: in the financial unit, clothes-prod service, etc., the local "inhabitants" look as if they owe something by default (at least a chocolate bar). Well, that's why they forget to suggest something or bring something according to their official duties, which was really "affordable" and so a small salary, like: And you did not receive an award because you did not write a report! By coincidence, they "know" what is needed it was only to write a report at the headquarters, and they got this very bonus in the form of an extra salary ... well, the relationship between an officer-sergeant-soldier is certainly not limited to the Charter, a personal example is needed (everyone is talking about this) and an understanding-humane attitude without unnecessary familiarity (I confess, I myself was sometimes cruel, and they did not stand on ceremony with me).
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 19 2013 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: Aeneas
      As I went to the headquarters: in the financial unit, clothes-prod service, etc., the local "inhabitants" look as if they owe something by default (at least a chocolate bar).

      This is their, plaque, professional. smile
      1. screw cutter
        screw cutter April 19 2013 14: 49
        +1
        And not only with you, and not only in the army.
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet April 19 2013 08: 23
    0
    Again, this is a contract army! People will be engaged in military affairs for money, rather than peeling potatoes, such an occupation can also be found in civilian life.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter April 19 2013 14: 56
      +1
      Let me disagree with you, in my time, urgent service was considered a school of life when young boys were tore off their mother's boobs and taught to live in a military collective, to observe chain of command, peel potatoes (including), sew on buttons, etc., etc. But how will Western "wars" behave when they lose contact with the convoy and rear units?
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT April 19 2013 08: 28
    +3
    Comfortable conditions will not forge a tough and implacable character out of a soldier, they will not teach to endure hardships and hardships! But social support, benefits and payment for the service, judging by the article, is good! The problem with us is not in the absence of showers and washing machines, not in the absence of 50 dishes, but still, in my opinion, in the social support of the military man!
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 19 2013 08: 57
      +2
      "Comfortable conditions will not forge a tough and irreconcilable character from a soldier, will not teach him to endure hardships and hardships!" Better to die from the heat in their barracks and catch lice, so what ??? A rested soldier and much more useful in battle, he has more strength and attention. And these conditions do not affect the nature of the condition.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 19 2013 11: 53
        0
        Quote: Dangerous
        Better to die from the heat in their barracks and catch lice, so what ??? A rested soldier is much more useful in battle, he has more strength and attention. But these conditions do not affect the nature of the conditions.

        And here A.V. Suvorov slept on an armful of hay ... even in his own estate repeat
        1. bord731
          bord731 April 26 2013 23: 10
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          And here A.V. Suvorov slept on an armful of hay ... even in his own estate

          For 2 hours of sleep in the hay you get enough sleep as for 8 hours in bed ... verified by personal experience. Whoever has a desire can double-check - you will not regret it ...
      2. JonnyT
        JonnyT April 19 2013 13: 54
        0
        Do not rush from one extreme to another! I’m not saying that the entire army should be kept in the open air in mud and unsanitary conditions! I just want to say that comfortable conditions are not a priority task. Of course, the level of life and activity of soldiers must meet modern standards! But a soldier accustomed to the "blessings of civilization", to the absence of stress, to his mother's tit is not effective on the battlefield! Or do you think that the sleek and well-fed NATO soldiers successfully fought, for example, in the mud of the first Chechen ??? Just don't talk about organization, in a war it may be that the enemy will destroy everything, cut off supplies. And how then would a soldier who is used to a soft bed and patrolling on a schedule with breaks for lunch, lunch and coffee breaks go to fight ???
    2. Letnab
      Letnab April 19 2013 09: 04
      +2
      As for comfort, the soldier is also a man, yes, while studying it is necessary to create harsh conditions, that he knew that he could wait, and his temper would be tempered. But he should know that after all this, at least for a short time, but he can rest in more or less comfortable conditions.
      As for social support, I agree, something similar that is described about Israeli and American soldiers should accompany the conscript and contract service during and after the service.
      I liked about the officers of the German army, everything that a soldier does, the officers are constantly nearby and do the same. I think that this is very close, for sure many who have served will note and approve of this.
      Although the article is advertising, it’s still worth looking at things like that, there’s something useful too ...
      1. heathen
        heathen April 19 2013 15: 34
        0
        from 41st to 45th there were no "comfortable" conditions and were not expected. And nothing - they fought.
        1. Letnab
          Letnab April 20 2013 06: 07
          0
          it’s not necessary to drive the army into the conditions of the Second World War during combat training, field exercises are enough for this. The Red Army, too, did not live in peace in peacetime, or do you propose to drive fighters into the trenches for the entire time of the service and not to feed them, as well as constantly bombing them?
  • UPStoyan
    UPStoyan April 19 2013 08: 37
    +2
    This is the opinion of those who fled the country in search of a beautiful life, so they praise their new "homeland". The American is especially trying.
    The most interesting thing is that they themselves most of all hate their country. And why so, I do not know. I have many familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not particularly affectionate about their country. - he would have better asked about his homeland from those Russians who entered Georgia, and not from the same "defectors" like him.
  • erased
    erased April 19 2013 08: 38
    +4
    Of course, the guys are silent about a lot, they are lying something. But there is one thing in common - in the army, soldiers have a normal life and all conditions for service are created. All! And no problems with hazing, disorder, housing. It is worth noting.
  • dark_65
    dark_65 April 19 2013 08: 41
    10
    I served in the landing, I do not regret these, in the article I definitely consider scum, especially a.
    You can justify everything, a well-fed pup, grandmothers, travels .. They proposed at one time to go to train in Yugoslavia. Refusal.
    There is a concept of homeland, and honor.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 19 2013 08: 44
    +1
    The commercial is direct, it’s just how they are doing well, but we are doing badly
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 19 2013 08: 47
    +1
    A malicious article in a malicious newspaper, published as part of an information war, primarily against Russian youth. Tracing paper from radio Shvoboda broadcasts. In places, it seems that in a bad translation. All the time "hell" is mentioned, but we don't use this word.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia April 19 2013 09: 00
    +6
    Quote: soldat1945
    The article is more like a commercial, so they say look how cool we are! on the Internet there are other opinions of those who served in these armies!


    No comment, as they say ...

  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 09: 01
    +4
    Where have I fought? Iraq, Afghanistan ... They almost started in Georgia. If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back home. Would it bother me that I’m fighting against the Russians? Not. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one, to be honest.

    HOW you take such a turn - that is, this guy will calmly kill us with you just like he killed Afghans, Iraqis.
    For me he is a potential adversary and should be considered through the scope of a sniper rifle (preferably ORSIS-T500O)
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 19 2013 09: 04
    +7
    "Where did I fight? Iraq, Afghanistan ... We almost started in Georgia. If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back, home. Would it joke me that I was fighting against the Russians? No. Russians for Who are me? In fact, nobody, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves hate their country the most. And why so, I don’t know. I have many acquaintances of emigrants from Russia, and they do not speak very kindly about their country . "
    Do not judge the people by garbage! For the overwhelming majority of the people, the concept of MOTHERLAND AND FOUNDATION is absorbed with mother's milk! If you, all such a major and a champion, you hate your homeland and your people, admire all of Kim - you are worthless! And it is not a fact that he would return from Georgia to his apartment on his own feet! What warriors you are - the whole world knows! Name at least some kind of war where you won not on TV, but in real life! Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan - everywhere irregular troops have ordered you to pick the most tomatoes, I do not advise you to meet the embittered RUSSIAN SOLDIER fighting for your FATHERLAND on the battlefield!
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius April 19 2013 09: 07
    +3
    We treated her like a job, and they like some kind of rodeo. Well, not all, but many. And these cf ... e cowboys began to shoot, if suddenly the branch where it was moving.

    Yesterday I wrote about the same thing. So I started to put cons. lol
    I repeat once again - for the Americans, this war is like a safari, where instead of wild animals, the inhabitants of Afghanistan.
    Well, so - the article is funny. It recalls the agitation that hung in the military enlistment offices when the saga of recruiting contractors was even before the salary increase in the 2012 year. He laughed heartily.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya April 19 2013 09: 18
    0
    It’s a wonderful article and it’s immediately clear which army is worth what, I am once again convinced that the US army is a complete rabble from all over the world.
    The rest of the guys are great, because they were not afraid of difficulties. Nobody aspires to the army of the Russian Federation, no one at all, the Russian soldier will endure everything, but we must create conditions, pay good money and bring up mother’s milk.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv April 19 2013 09: 24
    0
    LAL
    Here is another article
    http://berioska.ru/news-world-8-1119.html
    This kindergarten is proudly called the Bundeswehr and is a holiday home combined with a playground for young and not very, and even old children. German army, gee.
  • Atlon
    Atlon April 19 2013 09: 29
    +4
    Four clowns. In the Army "romance", there is something to devour, and a lot of money! laughing And not ONE wrote about love for the Motherland, about military duty, about a right cause. Why? Yes, because there is no such thing ... I do not think that one of the four who visited the "rodeo" could close a machine-gun bunker, go to ram an enemy plane, or blow himself up with a grenade along with the enemies. These are not armies of victors, these are armies of "cowboys" who ride "rodeos". War with peasants the Taliban is not the same as war with the regular Army. As for the "protection" of Georgia, amused from the heart! And I would like to say: It is better for you "tough guys" not to meet EVER with Russian soldiers. And then all your ambition will quickly disappear, I assure you! wink
  • Hort
    Hort April 19 2013 09: 38
    +3
    If your troops went further, we would stand up for Georgia. Russian for me who are? Essentially, no one
    And you would be prescribed the very tomatoes, intercessors of mueva.
    IMHO here such scum, if you suddenly find yourself in captivity, you need to hang without regret.
    Ivan Morozov, an entrepreneur from St. Petersburg, served in the French Foreign Legion in 2010-2012
    boldly, given that we have a criminal law for mercenarism shines.
  • Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx April 19 2013 09: 41
    +6
    If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one.
    -------------------------
    Marines are different because you are always thrown into hell.

    Cool guys? Your steepness is nothing without drones, support from the air and airstrikes, the essence of your war, contact with the enemy, ay nid help, where the aviation is. Even the Taliban would have handled you well if they had modern means, and had your aircraft not hung in the air around the clock. You probably simply would not have sailed to Georgia, you would have sank 100 kilometers from the coast.
    What is the strength? Who is right and stronger. "And a thousand will run from one."
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 19 2013 10: 08
    +1
    I did not understand what kind of propaganda "Join the NATO armies". Tovarischu the New American in general was notoriously brainwashed, yab sales said they were trampled. As practice has shown, the guys conscripts from the Airborne Forces do not strain too much. If the amers were really so sure in their army in Georgia, they would have stuck anyway.
  • user
    user April 19 2013 10: 14
    +3
    This year my acquaintance came from Germany, she comes almost every year, her mother lives here, and they left Kazakhstan in 1992 - then a lot of people left there. Those. she is a normal Russian woman, a man she served in the normal Soviet army, both graduated from Tomsk University. And then such a case, the son was called to the Bundeswehr, she told me and she rolled up from laughter. Father from such a service is generally shocked. The son comes on Friday evening with a large bag of dirty laundry, launders him and launders him on Sunday evening, leaving for military service and onwards in the same vein. . .
    So campaign sheets are best printed elsewhere.
    Not only my acquaintances live abroad and their children serve in various armies
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm April 19 2013 10: 17
    +7
    Quote: Perch_1
    Where have I fought? Iraq, Afghanistan ... They almost started in Georgia. If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia. But your leadership turned the army back home.

    Someone else, amerikosi had nothing to do for us.

    Generally not a stinking staty.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx April 19 2013 12: 19
      +5
      Someone else, amerikosi had nothing to do for us.
      It's a shame when politicians ..ducks drag their people into a meat grinder. Fraternal Orthodox people. Orthodox should stick together and be united in spirit.
    2. Canep
      Canep April 19 2013 17: 31
      0
      They would have landed (the Americans), and if you don’t want the Russian army, you would have to leave and not start a nuclear war over Georgia. But the Russians did not have a task to enter Georgian territory, and no one needs a war between fraternal peoples. And you need to send the provocateur Saakashvili in parts back to America. His actions led to the fact that the republics became independent states, and there can be no talk of any negotiations.
  • krez-74
    krez-74 April 19 2013 10: 20
    +2
    Mercenaries are always shot first and without mercy! This is a note;)
    1. Rebus
      Rebus April 19 2013 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: krez-74
      Mercenaries are always shot first and without mercy! This is a note;)

      In general, a lot of honor to spend ammunition, it is necessary to hang ...
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 April 19 2013 11: 50
        +1
        Naturally hang, but first having forced to buy a rope! Fair! And the treasury will be full, and less traitors ...
  • Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 19 2013 11: 06
    +1
    Just a PR action of enemy armies and traitors of their homeland ... Brainwashing for Russian youth ....
  • Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky April 19 2013 11: 43
    +1
    The article is idealized and romantic. But it was interesting to read. And about 2008, jarred, let Ponte leave the girls.
  • corrado
    corrado April 19 2013 11: 57
    +2
    When I was a recruit, I received about 600 euros a month. I will not name the salary under the contract, but it was much higher, several times. This amount is comparable to what a bank employee or office clerk receives. If I returned to civilian life, I would not be able to earn so much right away.


    But this is just a complete lie !!! As soon as this engineer turns his tongue ?! My friend was in the Bundeswehr under a contract for 8 years and he received 1600 € per month, which is the salary of an ordinary worker who does not have a specific specialty / profession, i.e. the salary of a layperson in his profile. Yes, for those who serve in Afghanistan, the salary is raised, but not "a lot of times" as this individual writes. And where is the information about how a German soldier gets drunk in the army? How unadapted to life, like children, do they come out of there? Constantly on everything ready. As my father puts it: "There's an army in Germany, theirs would go to the Far East ..."
  • alex shnajder
    alex shnajder April 19 2013 11: 57
    0
    Well, the feces began on the article! I served in the Israeli army, I confirm everything written in the article,
    but for me it was an adventure rather .. I was young, now I think if in any army of the former USSR there would be such conditions, there would be a turn ...
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 19 2013 13: 27
      +1
      alex shnajder

      Well, the feces began on the article! I served in the Israeli army, I confirm everything written in the article,


      Yes, the conversation is not about this especially, although it is important, but about this:

      Would it bother me that I’m fighting against the Russians? Not. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one, to be honest. The most interesting thing is that they themselves most of all hate their country. And why so, I do not know. I have many familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not particularly affectionate about their country.
  • Garrin
    Garrin April 19 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Would it bother me that I’m fighting against the Russians? Not. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one, to be honest.

    And this phrase pleased me. The more such warriors amers have, the easier it will be to "treat" them. They don't speak for nothing. "THE BETRAYER ONCE WILL NOT BETRAY ONCE."
  • _Igor_
    _Igor_ April 19 2013 12: 11
    +4
    1mu
    First, your psyche is completely broken, and then it is rebuilt. Turn into a half-robot, half-human.
    that's all that was required, after that he is ready to shoot at everyone because
    Who are they for me? Essentially no one

    who served in other armies note do not say that they break
    and you noticed the requirements for joining the us army?
    you need to pass the test of the first two classes of the school, then an examination by a doctor, a physical education test - and that’s all.
    because the rest is not important, they will break and teach what is needed and fashion in
    half-robot - half-human
    than something ss reminds .....
  • Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy April 19 2013 12: 17
    0
    Quote: Iraclius
    I also won’t tell you about Comrade Perelman, who huddles with his mother in a small apartment and looks at your millions of killed deer as if they were UG ...

    . In Western firms, you will only deal with what they tell you. And what brings loot


    Yes, no. And then I’ll tell you that Comrade Perelman once worked in Pindos and won’t die of starvation

    Grigory Perelman worked at the Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences, the University of New York (SUNY), the University of New York at Stony Brook and the University of California at Berkeley in the 1990 years.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%E5%F0%E5%EB%FC%EC%E0%ED,_%C3%F0%E8%E3%EE%F0%E8%


    E9_%DF%EA%EE%E2%EB%E5%E2%E8%F7
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder April 19 2013 13: 00
    +3
    In this article, I see this:

    maybe it’s propaganda, you don’t need to focus on the fact that these guys are Russian or former, I look at the soldiers of those armies where they served, and I understand that they really treat their army as they should, but this certainly should not force the true patriot to betray his homeland and serve the enemy, even for a lot of money than they get.
    We need to think about why in our country the attitude to the military is bad? why should a soldier or officer think how to make money on bread, or where to live on kratira to roam, instead of performing a military duty?
    Remind you of Napoleon's proverb: "A country that refuses to feed its army will soon be forced to feed someone else's." By the way, Napoleon's troops in Russia in 1812 died not only thanks to the valiant defenders of the fatherland, but also from the lack of provisions, winter ammunition. Without this you know the army is a rabble. And no command will help. Remember 1941.
    You will not be full of courage. I think if we will have good ammunition, provisions, and weapons, we will tear anyone.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 19 2013 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      We need to think about why in our country the attitude to the military is bad?

      I hope you understand that all leadership in the past is ordinary people. We have long had no classes, nobility, no castes. And among the people full of hating their country, they have no homeland. And spitting on his country simultaneously spits on the army.
      Surprisingly, only residents of the hSSSR are ready to spit on their country. In other countries, this is not accepted. Even a former spitter, having moved into the states, for example, does not dream of spitting in the direction of the states, even out of habit. He knows that for this they will not pat on the head !!! It is there that they give oaths not to spit in the flag, in the USSR and in Russia this is not.
  • albai
    albai April 19 2013 13: 09
    +4
    Where have I fought? Iraq, Afghanistan ...
    Yes, they are not fighting there! They sit locked in the towns we have rebuilt, and do not stick out their noses. A former mujahid, now a colonel of the Afghan army, told me, ".. Amers cowards only use rockets, artillery to hammer in villages, and they even kill civilians for a combing, but the shuravi fought in the mountains, they say, real warriors ...". As they say, comments are unnecessary.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 19 2013 13: 25
    0
    He sat and suddenly remembered, but in Soviet times, someone, possibly a musician, served to avoid a criminal record. So did the first narrator. Soviet school !!!
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky April 19 2013 13: 31
    +1
    Quote: albai
    Where have I fought? Iraq, Afghanistan ...
    Yes, they are not fighting there! They sit locked in the towns we have rebuilt, and do not stick out their noses. A former mujahid, now a colonel of the Afghan army, told me, ".. Amers cowards only use rockets, artillery to hammer in villages, and they even kill civilians for a combing, but the shuravi fought in the mountains, they say, real warriors ...". As they say, comments are unnecessary.


    This is how Americans fight there:

  • Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 April 19 2013 13: 34
    +3
    It is disgusting to me to read this muck.
    Russian to him no one ... bastard.

    To hell with such articles, together with the authors and "heroes"!
  • Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx April 19 2013 13: 49
    +1


    http://smotri.com/video/view/?id=v1620313b7f0

    Restrepos. How the American marines are fighting. Who does not want to watch everything somewhere from 50-60 minutes.
  • PiP
    PiP April 19 2013 14: 12
    +1
    !!! Taaakoooy HORSE I haven't read for a long time !!! MoscofNews - KEEP THE WALL. Such "pseudo-scientific" opuses are frightening. If someone is really interested in how they serve in the InArmy, find a selection of the magazine "Soldier of Fortune" (SoF) in the internet and at least look through it. Pleased with the pearls in the article:
    The most difficult test during study is eating worms. This is, like, a situation where you either die of hunger or at least eat something.
    If your troops went further, we would stand up for Georgia. Russian for me who are? Essentially, no one

    Oh no, otherwise you have to enter the whole article here.
  • kind
    kind April 19 2013 14: 26
    0
    Real soldiers do not scream to the whole world how cool they are. Real soldiers do the job. and they don’t have time to pose in front of lenses with machine guns at the ready like Stallone.
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm April 19 2013 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: Good
    There were a lot of American instructors in there and they were draping along with their students!

    there was no one besides the Georgians.
  • heathen
    heathen April 19 2013 15: 04
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    Quote: Iraclius
    I feel sorry for you, with your defective thinking forever offended.

    Just do not need to generalize to all.
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 15: 35
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    They almost started in Georgia. If your troops had gone further, we would have stood up for Georgia.

    They were lucky specifically, otherwise they had to sail to the Turkish coast.
    But your leadership turned the army back home.

    And this is so that they don’t vote for the whole world that we have occupied Georgia.
    Would it bother me that I’m fighting against the Russians? Not. Who are Russians for me? In fact, no one, to be honest.

    The Germans also said the same on June 22, 1941. Whoever comes to us with a sword and dies from the sword - History, however.
    The most interesting thing is that they themselves most of all hate their country. And why so, I do not know. I have many familiar emigrants from Russia, and they are not particularly affectionate about their country.

    This "Non-Rusi" and often their roots are non-Russian, smacks of Israel. That Russia is a money-box for them, but certainly not the Motherland.
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 19 2013 16: 09
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    "First, your psyche is completely broken, and then it is rebuilt. They turn it into a half-robot, half-human. This is achieved by constant training and humiliation." ... what can be written in a review about the service, actually a zombie ... just what they have hammered into his head. .. delight with the service.
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 19 2013 16: 58
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    It’s a pity that guys like that Russian American don’t find themselves in Russia ... And so we lose the best.