Robotic tank "Shturm": seems good, but not quite

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Robotic tank "Shturm": seems good, but not quite

Not long ago, a robotic one was spotted танк under the name "Shturm", which is a radically redesigned remote-controlled "seventy-two", adapted for action in the first combat formations, including in the city, as an assault vehicle. And, as usual, its appearance immediately attracted the attention of both domestic and foreign media.

Basically, of course, all the rhetoric comes down to one thing. The machine is called a universal robot-attack aircraft, which is capable of radically changing the tactics of combat operations in modern warfare. Moreover, even Western news agencies and various experts, who, especially after the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, for the most part treated our tank industry and the military-industrial complex as a whole with skepticism, have noted this.



The author will not go into the details of these dithyrambs - the reader interested in armored vehicles has obviously read them from primary sources. We will also not touch on the currently prevailing opinion that classic tanks have lost their relevance on the battlefield, and the future is in drones on land, in the air and on water. The question that is much more interesting here is: is this product needed in the form it is now?

The concept is not new


In fact, we have been thinking about the need for a frontline assault vehicle for a long time. And the reason for this is quite prosaic: a classic tank, as the main ground vehicle of the forward formations, is simply not capable of handling all combat missions. Yes, this thing is formidable, but not everywhere and not always.

This applies to urban areas and mountainous terrain, where a regular tank cannot realize all of its firepower and becomes extremely vulnerable. And, relatively speaking, to an "open field" with a tank-hazardous enemy force, fortifications, etc., where the power of its main armament is clearly insufficient to hit the entire range of targets - after all, a high-impulse gun, mostly anti-tank, even with high-explosive fragmentation shells, is not a universal means.

A striking example of theoretical developments and speculations on this topic can be found in the works of Leonid Petrovich Orlenko, Doctor of Technical Sciences and Professor of the Department of High-Precision Aircraft at Bauman Moscow State Technical University, published more than 10 years ago. In them, he substantiates the creation of a whole complex of front-line vehicles, not forgetting about their integration into the existing hierarchy of the armed forces, as well as tactical use.


Source: L.P. Orlenko. Assault vehicles for the Ground Forces

In his works, Leonid Petrovich proposed the creation of several specialized assault vehicles, of which two are noteworthy. The first was based on an existing tank with significantly improved protection, and, most importantly, with new weapons, which were to consist of a 152-mm howitzer with large vertical aiming angles (using adjustable and canister ammunition, as well as projectiles with programmable detonation), a 30-mm automatic cannon, an ATGM and a machine gun, which allows for the most effective destruction of fortifications, manpower and enemy equipment.

The second is essentially a remotely controlled tank - also based on an existing vehicle (light "attack aircraft" variants based on the BMP or BMD were also proposed). A sort of modern analogue of the ancient teletanks, which allows saving the lives of the crews, since the use of such robots sharply reduces the value of losses in any military operations - it is cheaper to lose a remotely controlled tank than both the tank and the crew together.

Moreover, the death of the crew, if we exclude the ethical component, which implies the invaluability of human life, will cost even more in total. Training new tankers is not so expensive within the framework of a large budget for military expenses, but their lack of experience will lead to predictable consequences - the tank and crew, as a single combat unit, will have low combat effectiveness. Therefore, all this is true: both specialized assault vehicles and robots are needed - in symbiosis, their work would be the best.

But, as they say, there are nuances.

"Storm"


If you look at the Shturm vehicle itself and its known design tactical and technical characteristics, you can see that it is not very different from a regular T-72 or T-80 tank in terms of main caliber. There is no 152 mm gun that could give a significant advantage in the fight against fortifications and enemy manpower, especially with the use of some Krasnopol-type shells, and also provide the ability to fire at large vertical angles.

Instead, the Shturm is equipped with a shortened 125 mm cannon, which essentially “consumes” the same shells and propellant charges as the 2A46 cannons on the T-72 and T-80 tanks. In fact, this approach has only one advantage: it is less likely to get caught with the barrel in the narrow spaces of city streets. However, this applies not only to streets – in close combat and in the presence of other obstacles, except for pillars, walls, etc., it will also be more convenient.

There are no bonuses in return. The gun operates at standard angles, like its original version (2A46), so it cannot be fired at longer distances (than the standard gun) or "howitzer-style" through folds in the terrain. It is also impossible to provide a higher coefficient of filling its shells with explosives by reducing the wall thickness, since the propellant charges remain standard. Also, shortening the barrel inevitably has a negative effect on ballistics - no matter how you look at it, the initial velocity of the shells will be reduced.

So, it seems that there are some advantages, but in general the difference is not in favor of the "Sturm". Although, considering that the 2A46 type gun and its shortened version are interchangeable on this product, the barrels can be changed if necessary, but this is somewhat labor-intensive. Now about something else.


As an assault vehicle, it should have much greater protection against destructive weapons than a regular tank, especially against hand-held grenade launchers and ATGMs. And, judging by the images published in the past, this can be implemented in it due to the all-round "body kit" of dynamic protection. Moreover, everything is done competently: on the sides and in the rear it has "boxes" with ERA installed at an angle, and in the front there is a block ERA with powerful turret protection. That is, it can be easily destroyed by anti-tank rocket or firing an RPG from somewhere around a corner or trench won't work.

But that was true until 2022. Now cheap FPVs reign supreme.drones, capable of hitting the roof and various other vulnerable spots. The Shturm has a practically bare roof, and this cannot be fixed by installing dynamic protection on it or on any other existing tank in the world. Therefore, if this vehicle somehow miraculously ended up on the battlefields in the SVO zone, it would have to be “marbled” and various canopies made of cables, rubber sheets and other handicrafts would have to be attached to it.

We need an active protection system (APS) that could effectively combat both drones in all projections and conventional ammunition. But for now, this is an unaffordable luxury even for conventional tanks, and not only in our country - there is not a single large-scale APS in the world that would combine this functionality.

Remote control can also be included here - here a robot and a tank have been combined. As stated, "Shturm" can be controlled both by the crew and remotely from a mobile control center. But there are many problems when it comes to "remote control". And the matter is not only that the command post itself, forced to move at a relatively short distance from the assault robot, can come under attack artillery or drones, which are now circling in the air like flies.


The very concept of remote "wireless" control of a ground combat vehicle, even if there is an acceptable level of technical vision, which is highly doubtful, is still too weak all over the world. First of all, because there is a complete and total dependence on the communication channel through which the video stream, telemetry, and control commands are transmitted. Various folds of the terrain, vegetation, buildings (if we are talking about urban development) can break or weaken this connection, which will inevitably lead, as they say now, to "high ping" and can kill precise guidance and high-speed maneuvering.

To minimize these phenomena, signal repeaters are required at least on UAVs, which will require an increase in both personnel and vehicle support equipment. All this is unnecessary expenditure that may not produce the desired result. Simply because electronic reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems are not being developed. Even now, ammunition that adjusts its flight using GPS satellites is perfectly jammed. You can be sure that they will find something to jam the control signals of a robot tank.

The sense of terrain is also of great importance. For air and surface drones, this is not critical, but for a heavy, large tank, it is quite important. The crew, controlling it remotely, will not fully “feel” the vehicle, its suspension, the softness of the ground, slopes, and so on. This point is often forgotten, but it can be the cause of situations when the vehicle can get buried up to the turret in mud or fly into some obstacle.

In general, there is a high probability that remote control will be an unnecessary add-on in many cases, and the product will have to be controlled manually, sitting at its levers and sights. Although it cannot be ruled out that somewhere in an open field or in an area that is not difficult to control, such functionality will come in very handy.

That is, it turns out that the idea of ​​the "Sturm" itself seems to be really sound and logically follows from the experience of modern battles: to remove the crew from the attack, increase firepower on the front line and create a universal means for storming fortified areas and cities. However, the devil, as always, is in the details. Remote control inevitably involves problems of at least signal loss and vulnerability of the command post; with protection - the need to adapt to a new threat in the form of drones, from which neither classic armor nor "jet" can protect; with weapons - the absence of that very "raisin" in the form of a 152-mm howitzer.

Conclusions


So what can be said as conclusions?

Firstly, all sorts of mass media always chase hot topics, and the latest appearance of the "Sturm" on the move, especially in our difficult times, is definitely such a topic. After all, the machine is very unusual, especially remotely controlled - after all, the need for such a product has long been recognized at the front, and not in theory, but in practice. But it turned out rather strange.

It seems to be an assault tank. But its all-round protection does not radically exceed that of existing domestic tanks with an additional set of dynamic protection. Like them, the "Sturm" in its current version requires the installation of a "barbecue" or other homemade screening means. Its gun does not exceed the 2A46 gun in its characteristics, and the ability to remotely control is an advantage, but it cannot always be used.

However, let's not indulge in the hysteria of the "doomsayers". The vehicle is essentially a kind of "concept car" from the past. And if it is still produced, then with the proper modifications at least in terms of armament (ideally, a universal APS would also be useful) it can become very useful. Moreover, there is hope, since information has already flashed that developments on a 152-mm cannon for the "Shturm" are in place. In this form, it can be of great help to troops in assault operations on any terrain and in urban areas, even with manual control without the newfangled "remote control".

The source of information:
L.P. Orlenko. Assault vehicles for the Ground Forces. Engineering Journal: Science and Innovation, 2013, issue 3.
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  1. KCA
    +5
    22 August 2025 05: 21
    In any case, the experience of use will be useful, no one will rework the combat tanks, only those from storage, so the army will not lose anything, and if the plan works, then...
  2. + 11
    22 August 2025 05: 44
    In general, I agree with the analysis, with the exception of a couple of points.
    For an assault tank, especially in the city, 152 mm may be desirable, but 125 mm, even with the usual filling of explosive shells, is enough. Especially considering the sharp decrease in ammo count. Vertical angles are a problem, especially the elevation angle.
    Secondly, the absence of a crew, even for conversion from a linear tank, allows for a significant increase in protection from attacks from above. Because there is no need to ensure the ability to quickly leave the vehicle, which means that protection can be increased immediately from the armor and upwards.
    And so, I repeat, I agree with the analysis.
    1. +3
      22 August 2025 07: 41
      but 125 mm, even with the usual filling of explosive shells, is enough

      Judging by the feedback from the front - no
      Field fortifications will give odds to any buildings in the city, and storming forest shelves is now one of the symbols of the SVO. Considering the use of the tank as a mobile and armored artillery, 152mm is exactly what is needed.
      1. +2
        22 August 2025 08: 06
        Quote: Aleks
        Field fortifications will give a head start to any city buildings, and storming forest barriers is now one of the symbols of the SVO.

        And what kind of field fortification won’t the OF125mm take apart?
        1. -3
          22 August 2025 10: 49
          125mm is not the most powerful HE...and it does not fall from above onto the roof.
          152 and 203mm rule. For the destruction of fortifications, the Germans made the Jagdtiger with a larger caliber.
          1. +7
            22 August 2025 11: 05
            Quote: Zaurbek
            125mm is not the most powerful HE...and it does not fall from above onto the roof.

            Of course it doesn't fall, just like any other projectile from a gun with an elevation angle of 15-20 degrees won't fall. And with mortar angles, it will be just fine. Only for an assault tank, the angle is needed not for throwing shells from above, but for shelling floors of city buildings higher than the second or third. And where the HE can't handle it, the Kum can handle it, and then the HE.

            Quote: Zaurbek
            152 and 203mm rule.
            Where in the field are such fortifications?

            Quote: Zaurbek
            To destroy fortifications, the Germans also made the Jagdtiger with a larger caliber.
            Yes, for urban combat, direct fire, not overhead fire and BC in 18, it seems, sea bombs, or 18 pieces in total were made. Only Sturmtiger.
            Large calibers without correction in close combat, and an assault is close combat, are unjustified.
            We need a large caliber, we request the UMPK, that’s not a measly 100 kg 203 mm, but half a ton on the fly.
            1. 0
              22 August 2025 13: 23
              There are a lot of fortifications and not only in the field. Pokrovsk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk.....something like the Surovikin line in the field.
              1. +6
                23 August 2025 09: 36
                Will you be able to bring such a tank (with 152 mm) to the fortifications? Through the FPV kill zone? Or is it better not to try, but to send a drone with two or three anti-tank mines on drops? And more accurate, and faster, and from above, and the losses are small, the ammunition is cheap ...
                1. 0
                  23 August 2025 09: 45
                  But here he is considering robotic...and protected.
                  So we can come to ISU152 with a barbecue
                  1. +1
                    23 August 2025 10: 37
                    Before the start of the SVO and in the first year of its course, I myself actively proposed such an assault tank with a 152 mm. low-ballistic gun. But swarms of drones over the battlefield exclude the use of tanks in assault operations today. Except for "super-barbecues", when a barn is made around the tank and hung with anti-drone nets. And even such are used more often as disposable and more for demining a path for assault bikers. It is possible to make such a tank radio-controlled, then it does not always need a gun - a minesweeper, a barn-barbecue and a reliable communication channel. And you can use old T-55 and T-62 with faulty guns for this. There is no need to build anything new, we will not have time anyway. At the beginning of the SVO, when cities were taken by storm, and FPV had not yet appeared or there were very few of them, then in 2022 such tanks would have been very useful. Everything else is empty talk.
                    A tank is a consumable of war, so there must be many of them and they must not be too expensive. No one will invent a new specific gun or a new turret now. And drones cope well with all strike tasks during assault operations. A carrot is not enough - just pick up and drop (or bring in) an anti-tank mine. That will do.
    2. +3
      22 August 2025 08: 55
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      For an assault tank, especially in the city, 152 mm may be desirable.

      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And so, I repeat, I agree with the analysis.

      So do I.
      But, as has been written many times, it is confirmed that different tanks are important, different tanks are needed.
      Heavy vehicles, i.e. assault vehicles, and as previously classified, medium vehicles for field maneuvering operations. Moreover, the APS against drones, including both electronic warfare and means of destruction with grapeshot and shrapnel (remote detonation) are mandatory in both cases. But in the assault version, the weapon module should be different. First of all, a howitzer-gun - mortar, similar to the Lotus gun, is needed. Well, the unmanned nature will justify itself when absolute reliability is achieved.
      1. +2
        22 August 2025 17: 49
        Quote: Alekseev
        First of all, a howitzer-gun-mortar is needed,

        But there is no such 152-mm low-ballistic tank gun yet, and the ammunition for it has not been developed. Maybe it is not worth trying to squeeze into the tank something that does not exist yet? But to provide a solution within the system: give the tank a LKU and, if necessary, illuminate the target with a laser, and the attack will be delivered by the attached artillery ("Lotus", "Acacia", "Msta", "Tulip" ...) using a guided projectile with a LGSN.
        The 30 mm auxiliary autocannon should not be paired with the main gun, but should have a separate vertical drive with increased vertical guidance angles (for example, as on the T-95, AMX-30, AMX-40, T-72 "Moderna").
        In addition, add a turret with a machine gun or AGS to the tower to combat tank-hazardous infantry and possibly drones (especially if you give the AGS a shrapnel grenade with remote detonation)
  3. +2
    22 August 2025 05: 56
    Only a real battle will polish this machine to the necessary parameters needed by the army, and for this it is necessary to at least produce a batch...so far there is very little information about this...it is difficult to comment on anything here.
  4. +5
    22 August 2025 06: 09
    One of the downsides is that if you watch the video, there is a second "tank" behind the tank, covered with antennas and with a crew, it is already vulnerable and shows up in spectrum analyzers. Communication there should be fast and reliable, duplicated from the air to eliminate the influence of the terrain and buildings around. And in general, operators could be transferred to something less noticeable and more mobile.
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  6. -2
    22 August 2025 06: 35
    I am not against such a combat vehicle, but in my opinion the best means to fight the enemy in the city is the self-propelled mortar "Tulip", both the range and power are good. Transmit the coordinates, destroy and go. Two or three such salvos and the enemy will surrender himself.
    1. 0
      22 August 2025 08: 49
      By the time it reaches combat readiness, from its marching state, all the surrounding drones will flock to it.
      Something much more mobile is needed.
      1. 0
        22 August 2025 09: 04
        Something much more mobile is needed.

        That's what Nona is for.
        1. 0
          23 August 2025 01: 11
          Yeah, and its caliber is half as small.
      2. +1
        22 August 2025 16: 36
        Look at the design of the Self-propelled mortar, what could be more mobile? Speed ​​60 km/h, 200 kg of explosives, range 20 km. The explosion crater is 6 by 10 meters. Impressive?
    2. +2
      22 August 2025 15: 43
      Quote: V.
      Two or three such volleys and the enemy will surrender.

      heh, that's exactly the same logic we were guided by in February 22nd, and where did this logic lead us?
    3. 0
      22 August 2025 18: 48
      The best thing is to have BETAB-500 in each entrance. One dryer can clear a couple of multi-story buildings this way. It's a pity we don't have enough bombs...
  7. 0
    22 August 2025 07: 46
    Oh, and a good guy, this E. Perov! He wasn't afraid to say "fie" to the "promising" "Storm"! I remember how, not so long ago, I criticized the aforementioned project ... how I was then "waxed" "from head to toe"! How I was downvoted more viciously than a sadistic nurse with a mustard plaster! But what I see ... they didn't really pounce on the author (maybe for now?)! He was "luckier" than I was then with my criticism of "Storm"! "Storm" may turn out to be "useful", but in a rather limited quantity and in "specific" conditions! This applies to this project in the "current" situation in the modern period! What will happen in 20 years (or maybe just in 10 years?) we don't know for sure now! Maybe "droids" (autonomous "robotic fighters") will fight together with "cyborgs" ("living" stormtroopers in exoskeleton armor, like in "Lieutenant Marsh's Platoon"! )
    1. +2
      22 August 2025 21: 59
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Oh, what a great guy, this E. Perov! He wasn't afraid to say "fie" to the "promising" "Sturm"

      I do not share your enthusiasm for the criticism of the Sturm. Perov published an article on how it should be done in a good way. One nuance, none of what he listed, from 152 mm tank guns to shells with remote detonation, not to mention the APS - does not exist today and even the development has not been ordered, it seems. The Sturm is something that can be cobbled together "from what was there", i.e. here and now. We need some kind of machine that will go into battle within two or three months maximum. And in parallel, we can refine and design ideal options.
      1. 0
        23 August 2025 08: 48
        Quote: Saxahorse
        Perov published an article on the topic of how it should be done in a good way.

        Exactly! What should be! But what is not! What are the accusations against me? If there was "what should be", then my criticism would not exist! Why can't I criticize the "bullshit" in the project that is currently being promoted? I believe that in its current form, the "Shturm" will not "make a difference" ... it will either not be accepted into service, despite its "promising" intentions, or will be produced in tiny quantities (like the "Armata"!), and will be used mainly in "experiments" (like the "Armata"! wink )!
        1. 0
          23 August 2025 14: 41
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          I think that in this form "Storm" will not "make a difference"

          At least this is something that can be used right now. With some will and persistence of course.
  8. +1
    22 August 2025 07: 59
    As an example, a tank for urban combat - it does not need to "feel" the dirt, its task is to support the infantry. The lifespan of such a tank is a couple of blocks and then it goes to reload / refuel / is used as a pillbox / mobile gun or happily burns (which is more likely). Accordingly, the tank needs to be brought to the "city", and then the "tankers" sit in the basement with joysticks and conduct urban combat in a limited volume. For "terrain folds" repeaters on "cables" for interference immunity and there are no tank breakthroughs for kilometers in urban battles! In urban development, you only have time to bring in new "radio models" ... Further, for the city, the tank may not need to be the same size as the original, and you definitely do not need to duplicate manual control, otherwise it will turn out that the crew is in trouble and the protection is reduced, etc. Manual control - at most an output for connecting a remote control and a person on armor drives the car for technological work! And of course, somehow combine an "all-aspect" cannon and more machine guns, and independent of the turret rotation of the gun. Ideally, create not on the basis of an existing one, but a specialized highly armored vehicle to support infantry in assault operations.
  9. +1
    22 August 2025 08: 03
    However, let's not indulge in the hysteria of the "doomsayers". The car is essentially a kind of "concept car" from the past.

    A routine check of what can be made from what is already there. There is a reliable base that has been tested for decades. The body, chassis, engine, transmission, automatic loader.
    It would be very strange if, in parallel with the development of something new, they did not try to squeeze everything possible out of the old.
  10. +1
    22 August 2025 08: 07
    Quote: Aleks
    Considering the use of the tank as a mobile and armored artillery piece, 152mm is exactly what is needed.

    With ML-20 ballistics. Sufficient initial velocity for kinetic destruction of most targets encountered on the battlefield. Large elevation angles, variable charges. Short barrel, which is important for fidgeting on the bushes.
    1. 0
      22 August 2025 08: 54
      Quote: Grossvater
      for fidgeting around the pots

      From Kuban? Kushir is from there
  11. +3
    22 August 2025 08: 22
    Modern means of optical observation and remote control and guidance of guided munitions allow to perform combat missions more effectively and much cheaper than this monster. The tracks were and remain the weak point of the tank. Of course, electronic warfare means are also being improved, but so far they are not particularly capable of everything. Instead of one robot with shells, it is better to have just many guided shells.
  12. 0
    22 August 2025 08: 58
    FPV drones don't care if it's an assault or a T72? What's the point? It won't be possible to make assaults in the amount of combat T72-90s
  13. +4
    22 August 2025 09: 12
    The GPS signal is jammed, but jamming a UAV repeater is a completely different story. Who said that a satellite is required for precise positioning? There are fairly simple solutions, ranging from machine vision (matrix matching) to orientation using stationary beacons. In Tomahawks, it was expensive and difficult to match the terrain using photos, but now any smartphone can do it with ease. UAV repeaters can be implemented as expendable ammunition that will be fired from a launcher, say, in the rear of the turret. Situational awareness can also be implemented. The times when such a device cost as much as half a tank are long gone. Now UAVs with high-resolution cameras and acceptable autonomy are several times cheaper than a single shot.
    Regarding the suffering over 152 mm, it is not a fact that it is necessary, although it is possible anyway. On the T80, 152 mm was installed, but apparently for an assault tank, a new specific weapon with low ballistics is needed. What is really needed is a line of shells with remote detonation. Telnik is already very good, but buckshot would be nice too.
    Regarding the APS - it's a mystery to me, what is the difficulty in implementing an all-aspect APS, if the existing ones cope perfectly with ATGMs and even APFSDS? For an anti-drone APS, powerful combat elements are not needed and they can be placed an order of magnitude more. By and large, even buckshot will do the job perfectly. I really don't understand.
    1. +2
      22 August 2025 18: 53
      Regarding the KAZ - it is a mystery to me what is the difficulty in implementing an all-aspect KAZ
      Well, it needs to be made, thought about, documents, technical specifications, acceptance into service, commissions. Then the only copy is expensive, they won't let it go to war, you need to hide it away so as not to embarrass yourself. In general, when bureaucrats rule everything, then not only will there not be a KAZ - have you seen ours use the "curtain"? Against the same drones? I don't remember anything request
      1. +2
        22 August 2025 20: 35
        So many things are being polished by the Kulibins at the front, and state corporations don't give a damn about their efforts. In general, in all tanks at the moment, the biggest problem is situational awareness. Again, I don't understand why it is impossible to take ten sets of commercial cameras at $20 per kilogram and give the commander and gunner virtual helmets. Such devices are already being produced by the South Africans (universal sights based on a smartphone), they calculate ballistics better than professional sights. You can hang a couple of sensors on the barrel of any weapon, from a mortar to an MLRS and, using a funny program, link them to both the optical sight and the terrain map for firing from closed positions. Really, you don't need to maintain institutes and design bureaus for this. From a ready-made commercial no-name, you can create really cool devices, but this is not our way. Apparently, the effective managers of our military-industrial complex played very little computer games; they were more interested in money. They would have understood what was needed much better, and most importantly, they would have had an idea of ​​where to go.
        1. +3
          22 August 2025 21: 44
          Well, the military-industrial complex is not independent. What kind of cameras do you have, Chinese? What if the Chinese change the model and you won't be able to supply us, because the documents will show the old model, not the new one? And will they be able to work at -50C in conditions of a nuclear explosion? No? Well, then we're not interested, goodbye!
          About 10 years ago, Shoigu said that Russian drones should only have Russian components. But this is simply impossible! And in practice, this means that drones will only be taken from the right people, from whom no one will check where the parts are from, and if you are the wrong developers - then go to hell, we already know that video cameras are not produced in Russia! fellow This is ordinary corruption. Why not steal when there is no consequences for it? No one was jailed for the absence of A100, armata, derivations, coalitions and other peresvets in the army, no one was asked where the money went, just as no general was jailed for an idiotic order (or idiotic lack of an order), which entailed large losses negative
          1. -1
            24 August 2025 00: 21
            Well, the military-industrial complex is not independent.
            This is very, very bad. There is nothing more to say.
            1. 0
              24 August 2025 01: 00
              This is quite normal. It is bad that the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense is not eager to fight and win, but to earn more cash for themselves and to have more medals.
              1. -1
                24 August 2025 01: 20
                If the businessmen there are like Napoleon's marshals, they should be interested. Say that whatever you conquer, a certain share will be yours. There are no limits to the means of conquest. And like the Middle Ages, more medals and titles for everyone.
                1. 0
                  24 August 2025 03: 57
                  I don't know what they can promise to the generals and officials in Ukraine. I don't think that you can mold a bullet from this substance, only if there is a commissar with a Mauser standing somewhere near them.
                  1. -1
                    31 August 2025 17: 46
                    Remembering how all sorts of Lahorie, Davout, Massena, etc. fled after Napoleon’s defeat, commissioners (or Robespierre’s secretaries) will be needed and will definitely come in handy when someone starts waving their marshal’s batons.
  14. 0
    22 August 2025 10: 41
    it turns out...to be used for a breakthrough only in the field, as a guide at 50 meters for mine clearance, preferably with backup on a cord. and to snap at the sides, like a gunboat with mortars and smoke or like a Lockheed AC-130 Spectre.
  15. 0
    22 August 2025 11: 16
    If we are talking about an assault ground drone, then simply installing a remote control on a tank will not do. Firstly, about the remote control - you need a system either with a frequency hopping or a multi-channel one with switching when one of the frequencies is blocked. To them, the corresponding main and spare PU and preferably a network of small repeater drones. This will require the development of a corresponding set of radio equipment. From the tank itself, only the chassis can be used. The turret will require either radical alterations or the creation of a new one. This is explained by the fact that it is necessary to change the gun, automatic protection, provide the entire hemisphere of the turret with continuous ERA, place elements of a new communication and control system, possibly an active protection system, place and protect as much as possible a multitude of video cameras and sensors, well, and the barbecue elements should also be thought about from the point of view of a competent engineer. In general, this will turn out to be an absolutely new machine, except for a cheaper chassis from old tanks. This is not a quick matter, and in general it is not obvious in terms of the ratio of costs and the required quantity. It would be possible to produce a dozen factory-built concepts and test them on the battlefield. But with our military bureaucracy, I'm afraid that it will drag on. Unless UVZ does it on its own initiative...
    1. -1
      22 August 2025 18: 27
      Have you heard of such a phenomenon as directional communication?
      1. +3
        22 August 2025 18: 53
        Quote: also a doctor
        Have you heard of such a phenomenon as directional communication?

        laughing so little have I heard. And have you heard about the difficulties of radio relay communication with a moving and maneuvering object? laughing
        1. -1
          22 September 2025 19: 37
          What's beyond the capabilities of a human operator is perfectly feasible with electronics. The technical solutions are obvious, relatively simple, and accessible. The developed products will also be useful in civilian life: for example, for tractors in the fields.
          Overall, the fixation on stereotypes by the creators of our combat robots is simply astounding. They're trying to imitate humans everywhere. Or is this just the customer's idiocy?
  16. +1
    22 August 2025 11: 21
    Sturm’s place is in parades.
  17. 0
    22 August 2025 17: 01
    Everything was invented before us. The ISU1943 appeared back in 152. The ideal assault tank. Cheap, cheerful and to the point.
    1. 0
      23 August 2025 01: 15
      Yeah, and the project with installing an 8-inch is even more businesslike and angry.
  18. +1
    22 August 2025 17: 04
    With all due respect to the experts.
    Are you considering converting an existing full size model to use with a remote control?
    Or are you basically solving the problem of using unmanned crawlers?

    Let's start from the tasks:
    1. Forest belt, fortified area, pillbox.
    The coordinates are clear, the task is to accurately plan to the target with something over 500 kg.
    This is a gliding munition, no tank needed.
    As a replacement, a self-propelled gun with a large barrel, the adjustment is still for the UAV.
    2. Street fighting, ruins of reinforced concrete buildings, basements, lots of enemy UAVs, avenues under fire, undetected firing points.
    The lifespan of any tankette is minutes.
    The task is to provide a picture from around the corner of the building, possibly suppressing one firing point with one salvo.
    Accordingly, we need an unmanned tankette to support attack aircraft, with a large number of cameras and communication with attack drone operators.
    The task is to go around the corner, call fire on yourself, detect enemy positions, transmit data to drone operators, jam the enemy. Well, and heroically retreat for repairs, if possible. A gun is not needed for such tasks at all.
    3. Mine clearing tank.
    A bulldozer with rollers, a reinforced concrete slab on top, an iron net along the edges, a one-ton charge of explosives, a straight road strictly towards the support. Minimum electronics, maneuver is not needed at all, a disposable fire ship with a mine-clearing function, possibly with unloading of electronic warfare stations along the way.
    1. 0
      24 August 2025 00: 26
      The mine clearance tank must have vacuum tube electronics! In general, the hull for this tank can be easily and naturally cast from reinforced concrete.
      1. 0
        2 November 2025 19: 42
        The sarcasm is understandable. The idea of ​​a concrete hull is also valid. However, we need to calculate which hull would be lighter. Because, unlike during WWII, we have a ton of metal. Look, Severstal cut production by 15 million tons per year. That would be enough for 300 million shells, instead of the current 5 million, plus some left over for armored turrets.
        But... Nabiullina did not provide money to purchase shells from Severstal, and our children and grandchildren continue to die.
  19. 0
    22 August 2025 17: 13
    Quote: V.
    Look at the design of the Self-propelled mortar, what could be more mobile? Speed ​​60 km/h, 200 kg of explosives, range 20 km. The explosion crater is 6 by 10 meters. Impressive?

    Find a video of the Tulip firing on the Internet. Look at the TTD for the rate of fire, the ammunition carried, and the time it takes to transition from the marching position to the combat position, and pay attention to the complete lack of armor on the artillery unit.
    Wake up your imagination (the presence of imagination is one of the few fundamental differences between humans and animals) and project it onto assault actions in a populated area. Maybe then you will be visited by the thought that even Shirokorad (it is his thoughts that you are now voicing) can be wrong.
  20. 0
    22 August 2025 17: 16
    Quote: malyvalv
    Everything was invented before us. The ISU1943 appeared back in 152. The ideal assault tank. Cheap, cheerful and to the point.

    The ISU 152 is an excellent combat vehicle, but it is not very suitable for operations in populated areas. There is no gun rotation and the gun overhang is too large.
    1. 0
      23 August 2025 01: 16
      When this was faced, the Su-101 and Su-152 appeared
  21. 0
    22 August 2025 17: 18
    Quote: Konnick
    Quote: Grossvater
    for fidgeting around the pots

    From Kuban? Kushir is from there

    No. It's just that the word "kushiri" (bushes, all sorts of narrow and inconvenient places for moving) is quite common in historical fiction, so it stuck. I'm from Mari wink!
  22. +4
    22 August 2025 18: 24
    There are many words, but the meaning is the same: if you want to ruin an idea, demand universal effectiveness from it everywhere and always.
    .
    The best equipment should be used correctly and in the right place. They drove out the cruiser Moskva to intimidate - they lost the cruiser. They drove a tank into narrow streets - they lost the tank. So, the tank and the cruiser were bad? No! The commanders were stupid.
    They know how to steal, but they don’t know how to fight.
  23. 0
    22 August 2025 18: 30
    This development is a move in the right direction. However, it feels like it was assembled from ready-made components. Whereas for maximum efficiency, it is necessary to start with control algorithms and create components for them. But such equipment cannot be made alone. It is necessary to involve communications specialists, programmers, etc.
  24. P
    +1
    22 August 2025 20: 46
    the approach is stupid and I know why. A teletank is NOT NEEDED, we need conversion kits for remote control, then an AI block, to which tasks can be gradually transferred (return to base when communication is lost, target tracking and illumination, identification, shooting, ...). Creating a finished product right away with thousands of tanks already produced is burying the program due to high cost and inevitable individuality, which will not allow the equipment and combat use to be developed
  25. 0
    23 August 2025 09: 18
    "...even Western news agencies and various experts, who, especially after the start of the special military operation in Ukraine..."

    After the start, all the Westerners just watched. Perhaps they were betting on how long it would last.
    And skepticism appeared later.
    The main thing that came from the Western countries after the start was cries about inadmissibility, immediate termination and a quick end.
    Who gave you the right to do this?! Finish it quickly!
    And six months later, the rhetoric changed. And a year later, they started sending money to Ukraine, and weapons, and introducing sanctions.
    Personal opinion... If they had finished quickly, with a change of power in Ukraine, Westerners would have simply grumbled about Russia's strength. They wouldn't have started shouting from every iron about how stupid the sanctioners in the West are and how easily they can get around it, there wouldn't have been secondary sanctions. And if there hadn't been import substitution for the sake of reporting, there would have been more real ones.
  26. 0
    25 August 2025 17: 55
    Before the Great Patriotic War we had two regular battalions of teletanks with control tanks in teletanks mainly with flamethrower and machine gun armament. They were considered "chemical" tanks. They were all lost in the first months of the war.
  27. 0
    27 August 2025 08: 42
    I wonder if anyone will think of trying to reincarnate Mendeleev's robotic tank based on:

    1. DonElzya, a standard sea container, blinded from the inside and outside (including, possibly, a spaced mesh/lattice, “sticking out” reinforcement and dynamic protection).
    2. Installed inside the machine with a gun from some towed gun from storage.
    3. A simple automatic loading machine based on one or two manipulators that take ammunition from simple racks.
    4. Tracked chassis from cheap civilian equipment and/or from unusable military equipment from storage. You can even try to organize an articulated chassis based on standard coupling devices for truck tractors, where the role of the coupling will be performed by the container itself.
    5. additional equipment in the form of remote modules with automatic fire control systems, etc., to suit taste and technological capabilities.
  28. bar
    0
    21 September 2025 11: 54
    Overall, it's a good idea. As for the downsides, it's not all there. A tank launcher with an automatic loader already exists, but for a howitzer with high elevation angles, one still needs to be invented. As for the remote control, who's stopping them from making it out of fiberglass? Even drones can fly 40 km with it, but a tank doesn't need that much. And the cable could be made thicker and stronger; any tank could carry it.
  29. 0
    2 November 2025 19: 31
    An assault tank is good. But even better would be to take a regular howitzer and make it remote-controlled... Add a robotic tractor and a self-propelled loading module... It would be significantly lighter and cheaper.
    .
    I myself, when I was spitting at the sight of Rogozin's pseudo-robots, wrote that it would be better to take any tank and automate it, instead of "inventing" stupid, show-off, parquet-like tankettes. These developments should be continued. But an automated howitzer also needs to be developed. I know how to make one cheaper than a human-operated one (paired with a tractor).