Gun to the Head: Medium and Shorter-Range Missiles Move West

The moratorium is over

Russia has been surprisingly slow to join the new arms race that Donald Trump initiated in 2019. The issue is the treaty on the elimination of missiles medium-range and shorter-range (INF), from which the Americans withdrew unilaterally. In the wording, Russia was declared the main violator of the order, of course. The Kremlin at that time reacted rather restrainedly and only introduced a moratorium on the deployment of similar systems.

The statement stipulated that voluntary restrictions would remain in place until the Americans deployed their products in sensitive regions. This primarily concerned Europe and territories adjacent to Russia. If the US deployed missiles in Taiwan or Indonesia, then China would have to deal with them, not us. Although from the very beginning stories It was clear that America was withdrawing from the treaty solely to put pressure on Russia.

And now, six years later, the Russian Foreign Ministry has officially announced that it is abandoning the moratorium on the deployment of intermediate- and shorter-range land-based missiles. The delay is probably due to attempts to persuade the Trump administration to abandon its plans. Very bad plans – American missiles will soon appear in Europe.

Apparently, it was not possible to convince old man Trump. And no wonder - he started this game himself. And in it, Russia and the United States are in an unequal position. Long-range weapon, which is very difficult to track, directly threatens the decision-making centers in Russia. And we are capable of demolishing Washington or New York only with intercontinental ballistic missiles.

At one time, the Soviet leadership very figuratively explained the need for the mass destruction of the Pioneer, Temp and Oka missiles: "They put a gun to our temples." We are talking about the Pershings and Tomahawks in the ground version, which NATO concentrated near the borders of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries. In 1987, the enemy won with a clear advantage - the Americans destroyed 859 missiles, and the USSR immediately 1752.

It is time to repeat history at a new level. To put it simply, we were not the first to start playing the Cold War. The Americans quite openly increased their strike potential in the most sensitive areas of weapons. The peculiarity of the latest stage of the aggravation of the situation is the expansion of the presence of American missiles in the world. Now it is not only Europe, but also Asia. If China somehow sorts out its southern neighbors (especially since it has its own missiles of the corresponding class), then Japan and South Korea are in the risk zone. Well, and in the range of Russian medium- and shorter-range missiles. Critics may object, saying that Russia had no intention of observing the treaty - just look at the successes of "Oreshnik". One should not confuse the fact of developing weapons and their direct deployment at the attack lines. Especially when the enemy is not shy at all.

PrSM Increment 1 on exercise in Australia

The PrSM Increment 1 missile system, capable of operating at ranges of “more than 142 km” from the small-sized M400 HIMARS platform, requires special attention. It does not seem to fit the definition of a shorter-range missile, but a ramjet engine is currently in the final development stage, with the help of which the flight is increased to 1000 km. PrSM appears at exercises in Australia and does not intend to leave. This is a feature of American expansion - first conduct exercises with new equipment and leave it as if it was so. The PrSM platform promises mass production - the developer Lockheed Martin received a contract for almost 5 billion dollars, implying the delivery of 634 missiles by 2030.

Aiming points

The appearance of the Mk-70 mobile missile systems on the Danish islands, which can launch Tomahawk and SM-6 cruise missiles, cannot be considered anything other than provocative. The latter are called quasi-ballistic and are classified as medium-range missiles, meaning they can easily reach Moscow. And last fall, something happened that should have undoubtedly been a reason for Russia to break all moratoriums – the Americans announced the deployment of missiles in Germany.

As part of the multi-domain task force, a strike force aimed at Russia will appear as early as 2026. It will include the aforementioned SM-6, Tomahawks, and Dark Eagle (Long Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) with advanced missiles with a hypersonic warhead). In general, everything is moving towards the fact that America is again trying to put a loaded gun to its temple. This is especially in contrast to Donald Trump's current aura of peacemaker. This should be remembered by all who hope to restore some kind of good-neighborly relations with the United States.

SM-6 on Mk-70 chassis in Denmark

Russia has to react. After the formalization of the withdrawal from the treaty, "compensatory military-technical measures" will be taken. Let's look into the possible future. The first stage will certainly be the formation of a positional area with "Oreshniki" and other products (land "Kalibr", for example) in the Kaliningrad region. From this point, no European capital has a single chance against tactical nuclear warheads. Along with the deployment of missiles in Belarus, this should become a serious deterrent for NATO. One disarming strike will not happen - the enemy will definitely receive retaliation.

Escalation by the US and Russia's refusal to impose a moratorium means turning Europe into a battlefield. The locals will use all means to increase their offensive potential. Not only nuclear missiles, but also conventional ones - more armor, shells and soldiers. It won't reach the scale of the 50s-80s, but there will be quite a stir in Europe. Looking even further into the future, Russia vitally needs an early warning system for the launch of medium- and shorter-range missiles. The Tundra system, which replaced the Soviet orbital group Oko, is very symbolically suitable for this role. Moreover, in the best case, a completely automated system should be developed, similar to that same Perimeter. The Russian military-political leadership has very little time to make decisions in the event of the use of SM-6 and Dark Eagle, and this stage should be left to automation. At the same time, the enemy will think twice about playing with missile launches - perhaps Russia's will fail.

The most adequate of the compensating ones should be medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington. Then the White House will evaluate the prospects of deploying multi-domain groups in Europe in a completely different way. At one time, Nikita Khrushchev tried to do something similar with the American administration, but what happened was what happened. At the same time, this does not mean that the second series will be just as incomprehensible.

Comments

[staer-62]

Why bother making a fuss? Europe has long deserved to be destroyed.

[Lev_Russia]

And now, six years later, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has officially announced the abandonment of the moratorium on the deployment of ground-based intermediate- and shorter-range missiles.

It is good of course that we are returning to the strike positions for these missiles, but the main thing is to never leave there again and not agree to any more moratoriums (deals) invented by the USA, which always harm us, but benefit them... 859 missiles destroyed by the USA, against 1752 destroyed by the USSR... Well, who won from this deal then... It is good that they did not completely destroy the entire triad, proving to the USA the Gorbachev-Yeltsin "love for them and devotion"

[Lev_Russia]

Forcing the USSR into a moratorium...

[North Caucasus]

Well, I see. The point of the video is that the Anglo-Saxons are always preparing for blows to the head. Israel does just that. Batka suggested Putin to hit Bankova in Kyiv, Putin refused. We will probably never hit the enemy either on the head or on other sensitive places.

[Olegi1]

Batka suggested Putin to hit Bankova in Kyiv, Putin refused.

Do you read the news carefully? Batka did NOT suggest Putin to hit Bankova. Batka VOICED IN AN INTERVIEW that Putin was offered such a thing, and he did not say who exactly.

And I completely agree with our president on this, which I have already written about, and more than once. Such a strike has neither military nor political sense. On the contrary, it is sheer harm. Western correspondents will immediately rush in, "white helmets" will pull women and children painted red from under the ruins, and all this will be shown live on Western TV 24/7 for a week. Do we need it? Sometimes you have to think with your head, not just with it...

[Andrey Gladkikh]

There is no need to consider Bankova narrowly (the President's Office and the Rada). The headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the headquarters of the Security Service of Ukraine, the headquarters of the Main Intelligence Directorate, these are also Bankova in a broad sense, although these headquarters are located in other places. What prevents them from being hit? Moreover, one of these headquarters has already been hit. And where would children come from in these headquarters? Women there are the service personnel of enemy headquarters, which means that their destruction is permitted by the "rules of war".

[nznz]

Are you sure that this is where everything is collected?
What would you do if you knew that the enemy knew where the decision-making center was?
Probably they somehow protected it and moved it as the most obvious.
Our military has already done everything that was needed, as they say, everything is far away and there is time for defense.
There is no point in destroying the greenpup and his retinue.
My desire and even dream is to have him and his gang put on trial and inevitably hanged.
They are war criminals. No bullets are wasted on them.
I admit that Trump might leak the green light to punish a rude Jewish boy...that's somehow American.
Rejoice when Gaddafi was impaled like Clinton, and Saddam Hussein was simply hanged in his coat,
somehow insulting to both rather courageous leaders.
For this one, even a noose will do.

[alexoff]

Western correspondents will immediately come running, "white helmets" will pull women and children painted red from under the ruins and all this will be shown live on Western TV 24/7 for a week. Do we need this? Sometimes you have to think with your head, not just eat with it...

then why was it necessary to start the SVO, since for the fourth year now the White Helmets have been extracting women and children from warehouses and factories that were destroyed?

[red-eye]

Well, our unwillingness to do the same is our lack of work

[staer-62]

Whatever our missile positions against Europe, the fact that the Finnish border is 150 km from St. Petersburg, and 120 km from Narva decides everything. Therefore, either destroying all of Europe or making all of the Eastern European countries uninhabitable is not necessarily destruction. And we don't need to bother with humanism, we are talking about our survival. Those who are against it, let them go to the SVO under European shells and birds.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

Facts are stubborn things. You can't argue with that. But if someone "puts a gun to your head", and you have the opportunity to "put a gun to the head" of this "bailiff", then it would be stupid not to take advantage of this opportunity. Especially if you have the opportunity to pull the triggers of loaded pistols of a "different system".

[alexoff]

the main thing is to never leave there again and not agree to any more moratoriums (deals) invented by the US, which always harm us

https://www.bfm.ru/news/581233

“The American administration is making, in my opinion, quite energetic and sincere efforts to stop the military actions, to end the crisis and to reach agreements that are of interest to all parties involved in this conflict, to create long-term conditions of peace between our countries, and in Europe, and in the world as a whole, if we reach agreements in the area of ​​control over strategic offensive arms at the next stage.”

Yeah, of course, we won't step on the same rake, although just a week ago we announced stepping on it

[Russian]

Go ahead, destroy! Last time we lost 27 million, the country will hardly withstand another such blow.

[Zaurbek]

The Russian Federation cannot handle a conventional war. Neither demographically nor industrially.
But it is entirely possible to erase one or two states in the center of the EU (if the opportunity arises) - everything is in place for this.
This approach will save us from victims.

[Russian]

Who will let us erase them peacefully? It will most likely be a nuclear war.

[Zaurbek]

It won't. Who will sign up? We have enough to erase every country.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

"Katz (Russian Vitaly) suggests surrender? Or "not to twitch" and wait until the country is quietly liquidated as a powerful great state? Then, when, in your opinion, the country nevertheless held out, the situation was technically much more dangerous. True, there were much fewer people willing to surrender.

[Russian]

We need to deal with internal problems first and foremost, and not get into another war. Doesn't history teach us anything? Some, like China, don't fight with anyone, but powerfully develop their economy, global influence and armed forces. War is the last resort when the parties can't come to an agreement.
But what can we talk about here, when our foreign diplomacy has managed to squander its influence even on the former USSR countries? Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan will not let us lie.
So instead of your loud remarks, you should first think with your head. But if you really want to, you and your comrade above can sign up as volunteers, and go ahead to Berlin)

[red-eye]

war or special operation hybrid solutions are not the last way if it does not harm the economy, politics, demography but allows achieving realistic goals with minimal effort without consequences
another thing is that war with a serious enemy is dangerous and as they say if you have to fight fairly then your strategy has lost and it remains a matter of tactical advantage by the end of the twentieth century many understood this (war on terror; 08.08.08 no matter what anyone says about this conflict; Karabakh. - brought strategic successes to their beneficiaries we will not talk about ethics)

[Illanatol]

The PRC could sit in the shadows precisely because the USSR existed and now the Russian Federation exists as a country that still has the ability to destroy the USA in the shortest possible time. The Yankees did not pay attention to the PRC in this aspect, since they believed that the PRC did not pose a significant military threat to the USA. But everything could change in the near future, the PRC has already been officially included in the list of priority threats to US national security.

It was not only and not so much diplomacy that decided this issue.

[Zaurbek]

Because before that, liberals were saying that there was no need to meddle in the affairs of neighbors and get involved in their politics. And they (the West) meddle and get involved.

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Go ahead, destroy! Last time we lost 27 million, the country will hardly withstand another such blow.

hi first 20 million then 26 million now I see the figure 27 million.
A little more time will pass and the figure will increase to 30 million

[bk316]

Last time they lost 27 million, the country is unlikely to withstand another such blow.

It was precisely because they did not strike first that the losses were so great.

[Taurus1983]

Russia must destroy the European Parliament in Brussels while all European politicians are inside.

[snow mountain]

Quote: staer-62

Europe has long deserved to be destroyed.

She will soon destroy herself with migrants and gay parades and

[staer-62]

We won't wait, Europe has enormous economic potential that needs to be destroyed.

[AdAstra]

Do you have fewer migrants? And someone with a last name ending in P. said that same-sex relationships are not prohibited in the Russian Federation

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Schneeberg

Quote: staer-62

Europe has long deserved to be destroyed.

She will soon destroy herself with migrants and gay parades and

Well, we might not live long enough to see it die from migrants and faggot parades.

[Vicontas]

Don't lose hope - economists have promised a recession in the Eurozone for the fall. And as for the gun to the temple, the placement of "Oreshnik" in the Bering Strait region may not make the US temple itch, but it will definitely make its ass itch!

[Amateur]

tried to do something similar with the American administration, but what happened is what happened. At the same time, this does not mean that the second series will be equally incomprehensible.

The result was quite clear. The Americans removed their nuclear missiles from Turkey.

[North Caucasus]

The missiles were removed from Turkey. But they did not stop working against Russia. Turkey did not leave NATO. There is a disgusting base there and supposedly with nuclear weapons! Then the Americans squeezed out the Baltic countries with soft power. Now they are squeezing out the Black Sea. And this is being done somehow without missiles! Just with kind words!

[Stas157]

The most adequate of the compensating ones should become medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington.

How so? Where will the launchers be located?

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Stas157

How so? Where will the launchers be located?

Somewhere in the Winnipeg area.

[kosmozoo]

The capital needs to be moved to Siberia, or management needs to be sent on business trips to alternate control centers and rule the country for a month. Plus, the population needs to be squeezed out of the megalopolises using economic methods. The most effective way to combat nuclear loaves is dispersal. But alas, who would refuse "bread and circuses".

[Sergey Averchenkov]

We already stepped on this once in the Great Patriotic War, we had to move all the factories. But what about Moscow, the capital of our homeland. All the same RAKE.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

All the same RAKE.

If not worse.
Then industrialization created a powerful industrial Ural, but now "all the eggs are in the central basket"...

[sagitovich]

Well, let the population who want "spectacles" stay in Moscow, and let those who want "bread" and work go to Siberia.
Novosibirsk would be an ideal place for the capital.

[North Caucasus]

And Magadan is not a bad city! And how the Far East would start to develop! And the leading economies of the countries are nearby! Here are the USA, and China, and Japan, and South Korea, and the loyal ally of the DPRK! Well, there would be only advantages! And how would the Baltic countries threaten us then? What would the Finns and Germans threaten us with? And how far is it from France to Magadan? What could fly from there to Magadan? I won't say anything about access to the open ocean. Then trade would develop!

[North Caucasus]

Peter made a mistake by building St. Petersburg near enemy borders. Although in those years it had its own logic. The Baltic was then a major highway along which you could quickly get to Europe and back! True, later the capital had to be moved to Moscow. And a lot of roads were built to Moscow. But weapons are developing and Moscow is already becoming a border city! Is a megalopolis good or bad? For Sobyanin it is good. Fewer cables, roads and pipes. And in case of war? High-rise buildings become mass graves. Considering that they strive to build as close to each other as possible, the history of WWII will repeat itself. Narrow streets contributed to fires. What will happen if Moscow is attacked? They will probably hit substations, water intakes and treatment plants. They will create unsanitary conditions. Mass diarrhea and mass exodus from Moscow. The situation there will probably be worse than in the mountains. You won’t be able to get around all the rubble.

[malyvalv]

Neighbors are always rushing about. Today a friend, tomorrow an enemy. The choice of the capital does not depend on this. Initially Kyiv and Moscow because before the Mongols the most advanced civilization was the Arab-Persian Caliphate. Both science and culture were the most advanced there. No one even thought about dark, backwater Europe. Peter moved the capital to St. Petersburg because Europe had been advancing in its development for 200 years by that time. It was necessary to catch up. He understood that in 50 years if nothing was done, Russia itself would turn into a colony. And so they have been catching up to this day. But the Bolsheviks returned the capital to Moscow, away from the enemies of the capitalists.
So, looking at China and the rest of Southeast Asia, moving the capital to Novosibirsk, for example, is not the worst idea.

[North Caucasus]

Peter moved the capital to St. Petersburg because Europe had been advancing in its development for 200 years by that time. It had to catch up.

And now is the time to move the capital to the developing region! China, Japan, South Korea, all nearby!

[Doccor18]

Quote: kosmozoo

The capital should be moved to Siberia

Officials? To Siberia

Quote: kosmozoo

Plus, using economic methods to squeeze the population out of megacities.

How is that? So far everything is going exactly the opposite...

[malyvalv]

You can simply make Siberian officials the main ones. With such a threat, the Muscovites will go to Siberia like little darlings.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Doccor18

Officials? To Siberia

Yeah... like in Brazil - build a new capital somewhere in the jungle on the Lower Tunguska. Fence it in with wire and put up guard towers - let them get used to it right away.

[Novosibirsk]

It's time. But for now Sobyanin is building the Moscow metro to death

[Same lech]

The most adequate compensatory measure would be medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington.

I am for it...
It is no wonder that Trump sent his destroyers to Venezuela.

[Doccor18]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I am for it...

And how to deliver them there? Again about the Fleet "will have to be remembered"...

[Dilettante grandfather]

And how to deliver them there? Again about the Fleet "will have to be remembered"...

Aviation can also take up delivery.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Aviation can also take up delivery.

Maybe, but... aviation is longer and more difficult. And it's hard to believe that there aren't a bunch of "moles" in Venezuela who will notify the democrats in advance, which will turn this operation into a quest, even worse than the Cuban one...

[Dilettante grandfather]

Maybe, but... aviation takes longer and is more difficult.

As for longer, I disagree. More difficult, perhaps. But certainly not longer.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

But not longer.

Due to the fact that a lot of flights will have to be made, unlike the sea route.

[Dilettante grandfather]

In the sense that a lot of flights will have to be made, unlike the sea route.

Depends on how many aircraft to involve. Yes, a ship can take more items at once. But it will be faster by plane. 2 flights of all transport aircraft, and several missile divisions will be deployed in the same Venezuela. The first flight - a couple of air defense divisions, plus special forces for security. The second - the medium- and shorter-range missiles themselves, with personnel.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Depends on how many planes to attract.

A large number of aircraft will attract a lot of attention (which, in theory, would be completely unnecessary), so it is possible that American fighters will be seen approaching the Caribbean shores. And who knows how it could end... And risking expensive aircraft is also not a good thing...
Much more pragmatic is one or two dry cargo ships. And less noticeable, and you can try to arrange a surprise for the "esteemed partners". But, as I wrote above, it will still be oh so difficult to pull off all this.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Much more pragmatic is one or two dry cargo ships. And less noticeable, and you can try to arrange a surprise for the "esteemed partners". But, as I wrote above, it will still be oh so difficult to pull off all this.

I do not argue. But today a convoy of a couple of ships is also capable of attracting close attention. And one flight of the entire military transport association will attract attention, but the enemy will be embarrassed to attack. I am sure of it. After - it will be too late. The missiles have been delivered. Deploying them is a matter of a few hours: I myself served on a mobile complex, 1986-88. It was a "Pioneer". Moving to a position in the fields - yes, from the regiment the division goes at a cruising speed - 20 km/h. Several hours. But once on site - the missiles are ready to launch in 2-3 minutes. Then camouflage begins, and so on.
The same goes for the missiles being thrown. They were delivered, they went out onto the concrete, and - they are almost ready for use. All that remains is to connect the electricity, hang the vehicles on the plate. You can shoot without jacks. If you don't mind the tractors.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

but the enemy will be embarrassed to attack.

Why?

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

I am sure about that.

Why such confidence?

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

After - it will be too late.

That's exactly it. That's why it's hard to be 100% sure. And if they do, then what? Seeing a whole fleet of military transport aircraft in your underbelly is quite a challenge. It's hard to say how they'll react...

[Dilettante grandfather]

but the enemy will be embarrassed to attack.
Why?

We do not have any military contacts with the USA.

Why such confidence?

An attack by our strategic nuclear forces, even if they are on planes, could be followed by a strike on the US. A direct one. It is not a fact that it will happen, but it is certain that it can be carried out. I do not think that the Americans are so reckless that they are ready to die rather than let our planes into Venezuela.

That's exactly it. That's why it's hard to be 100% sure. And if they start, then what?

Third World War. Again - most likely. Blow for blow.
I hope our leadership will not show restraint if critical elements of strategic deterrence are attacked.

[North Caucasus]

It is no wonder that Trump sent his destroyers to Venezuela.

Of course not for nothing! Because of oil you can spend a little! As they say in the song! And without counting the costs, the family wrote letters in gold for me! So it is here. The costs will pay off. Moreover, if you make the local population poor, then you can extract minerals for food. Now that's business!

[Vitaly.17]

During nuclear tests at the Semipalatinsk test site, the method of compensating shock waves from nuclear explosions was widely used. For this, 3-4 identical charges were detonated synchronously so that the blast waves towards the city would compensate each other. Of course, the city shook 4-5 points, but they say this is nothing compared to what could have happened.
So I think that with this formulation of the question, when we are talking about minutes and seconds, it is logical place directed thermonuclear landmines along NATO borders. It is probably possible to achieve that the directed destruction effect will reach up to 500 km from our borders. These will be the areas of INF missile launches. The impact factor on the launchers still needs to be calculated and tested. But I think that with an earthquake of 10-12 points the launchers will definitely be destroyed.

[Vladislav_V]

Quote: Vitaly.17

place directed thermonuclear landmines along the borders with NATO. It is certainly possible to achieve that the directed effect of destruction will reach up to 500 km from our borders.

I think it looks more like science fiction.

[Novosibirsk]

There were tremors, I remember. They were about 300 kilometers from Semipalatinsk. The chandelier shook. But not very much. In 90, at first, my parents didn't understand that a real earthquake was happening. They thought that it was another test.

[Monster_Fat]

To do this, 3-4 identical charges were detonated synchronously in such a way that the blast waves towards the city would compensate each other.

This is the first time I've heard of this. And what did it look like in practice, I wonder?

[Mars]

Russia has already tested the Oreshnik, but the Americans are still in a bad situation with medium-range missiles.

[KCA]

Tested in conventional thermobaric design, RS-26 first launches were in 2012

[avia12005]

Playing second fiddle, so traditional for the Russian leadership, sooner or later had to lead to a gun being put to our temple.

Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum - He who desires peace must prepare for war.

There is nothing new under the sun.

[Novosibirsk]

Well, how else could it be in the semi-periphery of world capitalism?

[foxes]

The problem is that the majority of the current oligarchic elite, that is, perestroika supporters and their children, who destroyed everything for the sake of yachts and joining the Western elite. So they are all afraid to take decisive action, hoping to return to their mansions and money. This approach is a sure-fire lose-lose situation.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Again, we are just fighting back(( That's not how you win wars! We need bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba... We also need to judge and punish the one who screwed up the production of the INF missiles in container form. Only an enemy of Russia could do that.

[klev72]

Bases are long and expensive. To demolish the Taurus plant in Germany would be more effective than any lamentations to begin with, and then, if the EU, in good fascist tradition, stir the iron, zero out the nuclear submarines of the small-timers, to finally dispel any doubts. Then, depending on the circumstances, Romania or someone from the Viking area. The Poles, with our determination and not delaying the actions, will sober up before everyone else or get a third nuclear greeting to consolidate the focus. The States will be the first to approve our peacekeeping steps.

[Novosibirsk]

Did you screw it up? I think there was a "Well done"

[Stas157]

Quote: Andrey Andreev_2

We need bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba...

Unrealistic. Even if we assume a fantastic scenario where these countries suddenly agree to deploy missile weapons, it will be the end of these countries. The United States simply will not allow this to happen. They will organize a naval blockade similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis. And then, to top it all off, they will attack these very countries.

[Same lech]

Quote: Vladislav_V

I think it looks more like science fiction.

It's not science fiction...waves 20-30 meters high sometimes suddenly appear in the ocean...scientists have solved the nature of this mystery...something similar to resonance...when waves of different strengths converge at one point and this provokes the creation of a ninth wave...a rare phenomenon, but extremely dangerous for ships and oil rigs.
The same can be done with warheads...if you correctly calculate their power, direction, location, environment and many other factors, you can increase the effect of the explosion many times over.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

We need at least one serious response from NATO for the ongoing lawlessness and rabid Russophobia. And Trump is Russia's main enemy, no matter how beautifully he sings... I think that the target of our retaliatory strike should be Britain, at least destroy the second missile manufacturing plant, for example, Oreshnik. All the NATO fascists will shut up!

[BAI]

The most adequate compensatory measure would be medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington.

So where to place them?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: BAI

So where to place them?

So far only at sea. On board the nuclear-powered missile submarine pr. 885.1 "Yasen M". Or products on the submarine pr. 971M, type "Kalibr PL". The same with pr. 949AM.

After upgrading the Shchukas to version 971M, they will be equipped with Kalibr-PL cruise missiles with the ability to be launched from under water. These missiles have already proven themselves and have gained worldwide fame - in December 2015, the diesel submarine B-237 Rostov-on-Don delivered a powerful blow to militant positions in Syria for the first time.

[alexputnik17]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The same can be done with warheads...if you correctly calculate their power, direction, location, environment and many other factors, you can increase the effect of the explosion many times over

And it is indicative to wash away one well-known island, for example.

[Voyager-1]

Do you want to wash Sakhalin into the ocean?

[Basior]

He who fights the atom will perish from the atom. It seems you consider yourself immortal. Like Lenin...

[blackcat]

The key point in this whole action is "turning Europe into a battlefield", for their own money, it's just a dream for the Americans that we will all burn here, and they are alone and all in white

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Andrey Andreev_2

We need bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba...

Unrealistic. Even if we assume a fantastic scenario where these countries suddenly agree to deploy missile weapons, it will be the end of these countries. The United States simply will not allow this to happen. They will organize a naval blockade similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis. And then, to top it all off, they will attack these very countries.

The US allows itself absolutely everything! (( But even in this case of confrontation with them, we have options. For example, to create a military alliance within the BRICS. Why this is not being done is a mystery. During the preparation of the alliance, restore the production of intermediate-range missiles in container design, and then send these containers to LA, will it be possible to place them at their military bases? Our specialists in deployment and launch are needed only a few people...

[Doccor18]

Quote: Andrey Andreev_2

For example, to create a military alliance within the BRICS

With whom? With China? With India? With Indonesia or South Africa? It's much more complicated than it seems. Some countries are even afraid to buy planes, having experienced external pressure, and you're talking about military alliances...

[Voyager-1]

For example, to create a military alliance within the BRICS. Why this is not done is a mystery.

Probably because the goals of the BRICS countries are slightly different: only China and Russia have open contradictions with the global West, while India, Brazil and South Africa want to be friends and trade. In general, a military-political union is the highest form of unification, implying common standards and principles of management systems, weapons, logistics, etc. Where in the relations between the BRICS countries, which is essentially just a meeting place, do you see the prerequisites for such an unification?

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Andrey Andreev_2

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Quote: Andrey Andreev_2

We need bases in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba...

Unrealistic. Even if we assume a fantastic scenario where these countries suddenly agree to deploy missile weapons, it will be the end of these countries. The United States simply will not allow this to happen. They will organize a naval blockade similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis. And then, to top it all off, they will attack these very countries.

The US allows itself absolutely everything! (( But even in this case of confrontation with them, we have options. For example, to create a military alliance within the BRICS. Why this is not being done is a mystery. During the preparation of the alliance, restore the production of intermediate-range missiles in container design, and then send these containers to LA, will it be possible to place them at their military bases? Our specialists in deployment and launch are needed only a few people...

hello BRICS is created to trade
Fighting and trading for profit are two different things.
For example, China is well aware that the US represents the main danger for it, but nevertheless the Chinese are in no hurry to enter into military alliances with anyone.
At the moment, the exception is North Korea, but it has nothing to lose, it is under continuous sanctions

[musorg]

This should be remembered by all who hope for the restoration of some good-neighborly relations with the USA, and this often slips into the speeches of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, among others! The second series will already be more reasonable and will cause heartburn!

[alexputnik17]

Quote: Voyager-1

You want to wash Sakhalin into the ocean

No. There are more remarkable and interesting islands. At least 2 of them.

[Oberst_71]

If you remember, in response to the deployment of Pershing missiles in Europe, the USSR, in addition to deploying the Pioneer, Temp and Oka missiles on the territory of the USSR, the BSU, the Baltics, sent 6 nuclear submarines to the shores of the USA. In order to reduce the flight time, 3 nuclear submarines from the Baltic Fleet, 3 nuclear submarines from the Pacific Fleet. So they were on duty for 3 years.

[AMG]

Yes, now we can only regret that there is no RSD-10 "Pioneer". "Iskander" will not replace it, no matter where you move it.

[Waifu]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

To hell with your factory, they're there They only draw diagrams, and they produce rockets here. Moskvich, maybe? It happens.

What are you saying? "Salut" is a closed-cycle enterprise, which is larger than your village where you live. They only draw diagrams there, yeah. And rockets are made not only in Krasnoyarsk. Just for your information. Apparently, in addition to Moscow, you also decided to shit on Omsk and Votkinsk, which produce rocket technology.

[Paranoid62]

Quote: Waifu

"Salut" is a closed-cycle enterprise

Hmm... are you talking about this?

A closed-loop enterprise is an enterprise that operates on the principle of a closed-loop economy (or circular economy), a model where waste from one production becomes raw material for another within the same system, which contributes to the maximum use of resources, reducing the negative impact on nature and eliminating waste generation

[malyvalv]

Of course, a medium-range missile, especially a hypersonic one, has dozens of times more chances to reach its target than an intercontinental one. Time and distance are also protection.
That is why Russia has been working for a long time to neutralize this advantage of the United States by creating Avangards, Burevestniks and Sarmats.
Hazelnut and withdrawal from the INF Treaty is for Europe. Maybe they'll come to their senses.

[Pavel57]

During the Soviet era, medium-range missiles were in the Pskov region. Maybe it's worth going back there with the Oreshnik mine?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Oberst_71

If you remember, in response to the deployment of Pershing missiles in Europe, the USSR, in addition to deploying the Pioneer, Temp and Oka missiles on the territory of the USSR, the BSU, the Baltics, sent 6 nuclear submarines to the shores of the USA. In order to reduce the flight time, 3 nuclear submarines from the Baltic Fleet, 3 nuclear submarines from the Pacific Fleet. So they were on duty for 3 years.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, there were no nuclear submarines going to Cuba, only diesel ones. Although they had nuclear torpedoes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pavel57

No submarines went to Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, only diesel ones.

We are not talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis, but about the IRBM crisis in the 80s, when the US deployed IRBMs in Europe.
At that time, SSBNs did indeed patrol the coast of the USA, but this was connected, rather, not with the reduction in flight time, but with the short range of SLBMs on the early Project 667. The same K-219, which perished in the Atlantic, carried R-27U with a range of about 3000 km, which forced its launch area to be moved to the shores of a potential enemy.

[olboop]

Why bother making a fuss? Europe has long deserved to be destroyed.

Russia must destroy the European Parliament in Brussels

I am surprised by such hot guys. Don't they realize that such statements are at least infantile, and at most - provocative?

[shocktrooper]

It is a well-known fact: the further such a hot-blooded not distant guy is from the front line - the more bloodthirsty statements he writes. In the West it is the same - you can read what their Internet warriors write on the same Reddit, just the second incarnation of MacArthur.

[nznz]

And their politicians shake their guts, but the military knows and keeps quiet. Such are their customs.

[Yuras_Belarus]

War is the last argument to try to solve something. If a war has started, it means the diplomats have not won. And why do diplomats lose? Because the economy is in shambles. When the economy in all its spheres is growing steadily and at the same time the situation of the workers does not worsen, then the diplomats have a strong rear and foundation. But steady economic growth and maintaining the situation of the working people is not about capitalism at all.

[stankow]

What nonsense. SM-6 is anti-aircraft, Tomahawk is winged, and Prsm is tactical. Author, not your strong point!

[Captain Pushkin]

The most adequate of the compensating ones should be medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington. Then the White House will evaluate the prospects of deploying multi-domain groups in Europe in a completely different way. At one time, Nikita Khrushchev tried to do something similar with the American administration, but what happened was what happened. At the same time, this does not mean that the second series will be just as incomprehensible.

As a result, the US withdrew ALL of its medium-range missiles from Europe: 15 Jupiter missiles from Turkey, 30 Jupiter missiles from Italy, and 60 Thor missiles from the UK.
Plus, they pledged not to attack Cuba.
This is an "incomprehensible" result???

[nznz]

As a fantastic version, I propose a conspiracy theory.
All this fuss with missiles is politics and a curtain.
Measures have already been taken for the X hour.
The Petrels lie there and lie there.
Or Poseidons.
God forbid some kind of "For Luzhny"
The President will decide. The islanders will greatly regret it. This is worse than the missiles in Cuba.
I don’t rule out this option either.
And for politicians this is such a blizzard...

[storm]

In 1987, the enemy won with a clear advantage - the Americans destroyed 859 missiles, while the USSR destroyed 1752.

A smart and insightful politician would have destroyed 859 missiles, like the Americans, and transported the rest to storage beyond the Urals.
And the main condition for not returning these missiles to the European part of the country would be the non-proliferation of NATO to the East.
But the corrupt Gorby was in power, who shamefully betrayed and disarmed the country...

[Glagol1]

A win-win position for the striped ones: Europe is so brazen and stupid that it is ready to burn in a nuclear hell just so that we can get a flare-up. The degradation is obvious. In the 80s there was a powerful anti-war movement, which cost a number of parties the loss of power. Or at least their ratings down. Today there is no anti-war movement at all - they are ready to burn. And it is not surprising. They are dying out anyway, most families have one child or even zero, and their brains have mixed with the cesspool and become part of it.
And what should we do, we are different. We will burn Europe, there are no problems there, but what about the USA? When we have minus 50 million and minus 70% of the economy, people in the States will read the Internet and click their tongues - what a blast they had there. The Yankees are on top again. We need to think of something beyond Poseidon and Sarmat...

[Pravodel]

The most adequate compensatory measure would be medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington.

We'll have a HUGE problem deploying medium- and shorter-range missiles aimed directly at Washington. Where should we deploy them? In Cuba, Venezuela?! The Yankees won't allow us to deploy them like that. The Cuban Missile Crisis is too memorable.
Another issue is that we can deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles in Chukotka, right across from Alaska. They won't reach Washington from there, but they'll definitely cover the entire West Coast of the United States.
Unfortunately, only our strategic nuclear forces will be able to reach Washington.

[stankow]

What does the SM-6 have to do with it? It’s an anti-aircraft missile, isn’t it?