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Islamists have established recruitment of the Crimean Tatars to the war in Syria

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Islamists have established recruitment of the Crimean Tatars to the war in Syria Rumors have been confirmed that the Crimean Tatars are fighting on the side of Islamic militants in Syria. In the conflict zone, 20-year-old Crimean Abdullah Dzhepparov, who was a member of the Hizb-ut-Tahrir party, banned in many countries, died. The future fighter received initial training during training on the peninsula.


The newspaper Segodnya writes about this, whose correspondent spoke with a friend of the deceased and with a member of the Crimean cell Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

“We walked together, had fun, like ordinary youth. And then Abdullah plunged into religion - about two years ago, when he began to talk with religious guys from the Hizb-ut-Tahrir party, - quotes the publication the words Murtaza, a friend of the deceased militant. - Initially, they were taught religious sciences, then they moved to physical training. They traveled somewhere to nature and worked there in secret. What they did there is unknown. In the late summer - early autumn of last year, he left the Crimea to Turkey for work. And two weeks ago, a telegram arrived to his parents that he was dead. The telegram states that it hit a mine in Syria. Their family is normal: caring mother, hard-working father, brother. Along with Abdullah, about six people left the Belogorsk district in such a way that I don’t know with them now. One bearded man often came to him, they talked a lot, somehow they went to paintball. There were four such recruiters in our area. ”

One of the activists of Hizb-ut-Tahrir, who chose to remain anonymous, does not deny that his comrades go abroad to participate in jihad as mojaheds against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad: “Through my friends I know about the man who went to Syria even heard that he sometimes calls from there to Crimea, here he has a family and children, who are helped by our “brothers”.

In other comments on this topic, the leaders of Hizb ut-Tahrir claim that there are no participants in combat conflicts among members of their party abroad, but they do not deny the possibility that someone could leave on their own initiative.

In the Crimean Tatar Mejlis (the illegal ethnic “parliament”) and in the Crimean muftiate they condemned those who go to war abroad. Representatives of both organizations are concerned that militants are recruited by sectarian structures not controlled by them.

“We cannot know whether this war is a righteous jihad, therefore, from a religious point of view, participation in such a conflict is condemned,” the deputy mufti of Crimea, Ayder Ismailov, told the publication.

In the SBU, without a prior written request, they refused to comment on the recruitment of militants on the peninsula.

Oleg Rodivilov, deputy director of the Ukrainian branch of the Institute of CIS countries, believes that the activity of an illegal Majlis, which the authorities have turned a blind eye to for two decades, has prepared the ground for the radicalization of sentiment in the Crimean Tatar environment.

“The Mejlis has become an indirect participant, radicalism is one of its forms and the satellites accompanying the Majlis. A number of radical groups send their followers to gain combat experience. A significant number of such mercenaries are in Lebanon and Northern Cyprus. They are specially prepared to incite conflict in the Crimea. There may be recruitment with the use of money, but not necessarily - some will bring up, so they will not demand money and will go wherever they want. The local authorities, having decided to go to a deal with the Majlis, now receive other problems as a result, in the form of radical Islamists who have already broken away from it. Until the authorities exclude double standards, it will deal with extremism, ”Rodivilov said.

In turn, lawyer Asan Seytyagyayev reminded that Ukrainian legislation prohibits mercenary.

“A person can be deprived of freedom from 3 to 8 years, if he will be engaged in preparing and recruiting people for war in other states. And if you participated in hostilities abroad without permission, and for this you were paid on arrival in Ukraine, you can be put in prison for a period from 5 to 10 years. But I have not heard of such cases in the Crimea - when a person was convicted of mercenarism and he was convicted for it. Only peacekeeping missions authorized by Ukraine are allowed, ”said Seytyagyayev.

As reported by Novy Region, the cells of the Hizb ut-Tahrir party, which advocates the creation of the World Caliphate, have been operating in Crimea for a long time and almost openly under the guise of religious communities and educational organizations. The security services of Ukraine claim that they do not have enough authority to curb the activities of such structures. Meanwhile, organizations controlled by Hizb have repeatedly held conferences on the peninsula and even led their supporters to rallies. In addition, there were conflicts on the peninsula, sometimes reaching fights related to the attempts of the Islamists to make their representatives imams of mosques in a number of settlements of the peninsula.
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin April 19 2013 06: 41
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    Once recruitment is established, then the seeds fall into the fertile soil. Once again I am convinced of the wisdom of Stalin when he evicted this fifth column from the Crimea.
    1. Alexander
      Alexander April 19 2013 06: 54
      11
      These are easier to destroy when they are in a heap. Therefore, Syria must be defended. This will help the whole region.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. April 19 2013 06: 58
        11
        Quote: Alexander
        Therefore, Syria must be defended. This will help the whole region.

        Yes, but not only and not so much to their region, but also to the world in Russia in general and the Caucasus in particular.
        1. soldat1945
          soldat1945 April 19 2013 07: 05
          12
          In Tatarstan, the same thing is happening, including on the infa site, only there everything is covered, but someday this land mine can explode if it is not strangled now!
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. April 19 2013 07: 43
            10
            Quote: soldat1945
            In Tatarstan, the same thing is happening, including on the infa site, only there everything is covered, but someday this land mine can explode if it is not strangled now!

            So, they strangle you, and therefore they will not explode.
            In the same Tatarstan, as, incidentally, in Ufa, Chelyabinsk and Moscow, CBT activists were arrested, and those, out of many, who got rid of it, were completely soaked.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 07: 04
      12
      Quote: Garrin
      Once recruitment is established, then the seeds fall into the fertile soil.

      Well, if Ukraine does not actually have anarchy, they don’t know where the country is heading, even at the top. In short, it’s time to return Crimea and restore order there.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 19 2013 07: 12
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short, it’s time to return Crimea and restore order there.

        To do this, it is necessary to pursue a tougher policy, and not sysyukats what our government does!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 07: 20
          +3
          Quote: tronin.maxim

          To do this, it is necessary to pursue a tougher policy, and not sysyukats what our government does!

          The beginning has already been made ...
          Putin approved the idea of ​​letting Ukrainians into Russia on passports
          The President of Russia supported the proposal of the migration service on the admission of citizens of foreign countries to Russia only on foreign passports.
          http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/12801533/

          In terms of rigidity, it’s just to swell money. As amers do and hold a referendum. Investments, jobs, good salaries. To attract and interest the population, as it should be.
          1. Alexander
            Alexander April 19 2013 07: 26
            +3
            It seems that only Putin is doing everything in the country.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 08: 11
              +4
              Quote: Alexander
              It seems that only Putin is doing everything in the country.

              Yes, in fact it is, until he introduces the bill, the deputies do not even know what they are doing. But as soon as Putin says, the races run to the cameras, so to speak, yes, it's high time.
          2. Denis
            Denis April 19 2013 07: 41
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin approved the idea of ​​letting Ukrainians into Russia on passports
            Maybe afraid what has already begun there?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 08: 13
              0
              Quote: Denis
              Indians to Russia for passports Maybe afraid what has already begun there?

              What started there? You posted a photo of what and what Putin is afraid of, boobs of launchers belay yes he even liked laughing
          3. avt
            avt April 19 2013 09: 35
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin approved the idea of ​​letting Ukrainians into Russia on passports

            Yeah, Romodanovsky proposed six months later, everyone who is not in the customs union, allowed the GDP to pull another half a minimum. They can’t print passports. In general, they might enter them by 15-17. There is no reason to talk with Wahhabis at all, only surgically, who do not believe in Syria, let them try to understand and forgive there.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair April 19 2013 20: 39
              0
              Quote: avt
              They can’t print poor passports. In general, maybe they will introduce 15 -17.
              Not quite so, the GDP did not spit on Ukraine but gave it time to think it over. As did the other republics of the former USSR. For them, the long-suffering timer began its countdown ...It's time gentlemen, comrades to decide: Whose will you be?
        2. Kaa
          Kaa April 19 2013 08: 13
          +5
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          To do this, a tougher policy

          What a tough policy! "The Crimean public is already aware of numerous facts of the activities of followers in Crimea. Islamic party Hizb ut-Tahrir, Wahhabis, which was repeatedly informed by the media According to news agencies, the international Islamic movement Jamaat Tablig was founded in 1927 and has headquarters in Pakistan, as well as an extensive network of representative offices around the world. Despite the fact that this organization is not included in the lists of terrorist structures, its activities are officially banned in the Russian Federation and some countries of Central Asia. The first fragmentary reports of the presence of Jamaat Tablig representatives in Crimea began to appear in 2008. A somewhat different situation is with the activities of the "takfirs" (or as they are also called “At-Takfir Val-Hijrah” - “Accusation of Unbelief and Leaving the Society”). This organization was founded in Egypt in 1971 and is now listed by the US Department of State as a terrorist organization. The ideology of "takfirs" justifies the need for the violent overthrow of regimes that persecute Muslims. The methods of their activity as a whole do not differ from other Islamist structures: the study and recruitment of Muslims, the creation of their own groups, the further dissemination of their teachings, etc. ), Few people know the fact that Azov Madrassah operates under the patronage of the Turkish Foundation Aziz Mahmoud Hudai Wakuf. He has been active in the Crimea since the mid-90s. There is practically no information on the activities of the Aziz Mahmoud Hudai Wakufah Foundation. It is known that the Turkish religious sect “Nurjular” is operating in Crimea, which is banned in Turkey itself for the desire to replace the secular system with the Sharia regime. In the CIS countries, this structure is widely known for its emissaries spreading the ideology of pan-Turkism (the idea of ​​uniting all countries with Turkic peoples living on their territory under the auspices of Turkey). Moreover, "Nurjular", as a rule, does not operate openly, but through a network of foundations and Islamic educational institutions that it has created. Children studying in such educational institutions are secretly subjected to ideological treatment in the spirit of pan-Turkism. . Unlike other CIS countries, in the Crimea “Nurdzhular” does not create controlled funds or educational institutions. Emissaries of "Nurjular" can "camouflage" under Turkish businessmen, representatives of charitable organizations and establish informal contacts with Crimean Tatars. Experts familiar with the learning process in Turkish religious institutions say that some of them still have groups of supporters of the radical pan-Turkic organizations “Gray Wolves”, “Suleimanji” (according to Russian law enforcement agencies, these organizations are associated with Turkish special services). And students coming to study fall under the destructive influence of these Islamic sects. Some of the young people prefer to distance themselves, while someone becomes a staunch supporter of the ideology imposed on him. In general, Turkish religious sects far surpass both Hizb ut-Tahrir and Wahhabis in terms of conspiracy. It’s practically impossible to calculate the real number of adherents, for example, of the same “Nurdzhular” in Crimea, however, it is claimed that it can be “mobilized” within a day for protests up to 50 thousand young people.http://e-crimea.info/2009/06/14/23420/Turetskie_islamistyi_uzhe_v_Kryimu_.shtml
          http://e- сrimea.info/2009/07/26/25688/Novyie_techeniya_v_kryimskom_islame____tabligovtsy
          i ___ i ___ takfiryi __. shtm
          1. avt
            avt April 19 2013 09: 38
            +2
            Quote: Kaa
            In general, Turkish religious sects far surpass both Hizb ut-Tahrir and Wahhabis in terms of conspiracy. It is practically impossible to calculate the actual number of adherents, for example, of the same Nurdzhular in Crimea, however, it is claimed that up to 50 thousand young people can be "mobilized" for protest actions within a day.

            And if you take into account how many weapons were stolen in the 90s and scattered over caches, it’s completely uncomfortable.
      2. Maks111
        Maks111 April 19 2013 07: 15
        +3
        Well, if Ukraine does not actually have anarchy, they don’t know where the country is heading, even at the top. In short, it’s time to return Crimea and restore order there.
        We would have to establish order (ideologically) in the Caucasus and other Muslim republics.
    3. Suhov
      Suhov April 19 2013 08: 31
      +1
      Quote: Garrin
      Once recruitment is established, then the seeds fall into the fertile soil.

      This situation can be described in one word - betrayal!
      We already had it - 1994, Chechnya.
      "Moscow" betrayed its own, "normal" Chechens, and thereby helped the "frostbitten", of which there were that few at that time ...
      Draw conclusions, make decisions and act ...
      hi
    4. Atlon
      Atlon April 19 2013 09: 04
      12
      Quote: Garrin
      Once again I am convinced of the wisdom of Stalin when he evicted this fifth column from the Crimea.

      Crimea must be joined to Russia! In any way. At least buy from the Ukrainian leadership (I do not write from Ukraine, namely from the leadership, this will work out faster). For Ukraine, in the current state of affairs, will not hold Crimea. This will be the second Chechnya, when everything is over in Syria ... And we can get the Russian-speaking population squeezed out of the Crimea, as from Chechnya in its time, and the proclamation of independence with the support of Turkey and Western "democracies". As a result, the expulsion of the Black Sea Fleet. At the same time, it will be problematic to pacify Crimea by force of Russian weapons, because de jure it is not controlled by Russia, and this is interference in the internal affairs of "sovereign" Ukraine. NATO will not allow this. With Crimea, you need to decide quickly, tough, pragmatic and without unnecessary lyrics! At any price!
      1. gispanec
        gispanec April 19 2013 09: 39
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Atlon
        Crimea must be joined to Russia!

        When do you calm down ?? ... all the Crimea is not ours !!! .. pissed off .... it's like saying ..... Everything ALASKA should be our at all costs !!! ... well, children’s nonsense
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 09: 53
          +5
          Quote: gispanec
          ... all Crimea is not ours !!!

          This we will see whose Crimea !!!
        2. Atlon
          Atlon April 19 2013 09: 57
          +3
          Quote: gispanec
          all Crimea is not ours !!! .. prosrali.

          Not yours. We'll play some more. As Khrushch gave the Crimea a drunken gift, so we can buy it from Yanuca. There is no need for war here, there are finer things. We must take an example from the "shitcrats".
        3. viktorR
          viktorR April 19 2013 10: 44
          +5
          To begin with, the Russian population prevails in Crimea and the Tatars are not so many, but in Alaska there are practically no Russians ...

          PS and Crimea is not yours, it is Russian
          1. Alexander Kirov
            Alexander Kirov April 19 2013 12: 20
            -1
            The Tatars are strong in organization, and our bydlorat will close in the house until the house is burned. Tell me further, what will happen?
            1. viktorR
              viktorR April 19 2013 12: 51
              0
              No need to tell me, he lived in Simferopol all his life for three months as he moved to Sevastopol, the Tatars are not all radicals, many friends who happen to happen at any moment will get a knife and try to stick it in my back. But (!) From personal experience, they are all cowards! More than once in my youth I had to come into conflict with them, and so it never came to a fight (!) And if their company of five people is opposed by at least two or three people they are dirty, the main thing is not to flinch). But with the Slavs drunken fights began even in those situations when everything that happened seemed absurd)), that is, he looked wrong, stepped on his foot)) and so on ... In general, the Tatars are not fighters if they confront them at least somehow, although among There are exceptions, I think. And yet I think that if the thunder strikes, the Russian peasant will still cross himself and fight back. Moreover, they are much smaller than us in the Crimea, although it seems that there are many of them ...
      2. porevith
        porevith April 19 2013 10: 44
        -4
        Well, come and take it, or you can only grind with your tongue laughing. I live in Crimea, here the Tatars are 10%, what kind of Chechnya, what do you write about, 1% of them are true believers, I probably have many Tatars, even three from Hizb ut-Tahrir, normal people for 3 years with them worked. and there are enough fanatics everywhere in any nation and religion.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon April 19 2013 12: 30
          +2
          Quote: porevith
          here the Tatars then 10%, which Chechnya

          Before the war, Grozny had 397 thousand people, while the share of only Russians in ethnic composition according to the 1989 All-Union Population Census was 210 thousand people. Percentage to calculate? wink And besides Russians, Chechnya was still full of other "Slavic" nationalities, and not only. So 10% of Tatars in Crimea is quite a lot ...
    5. vadimus
      vadimus April 19 2013 09: 56
      +1
      It is necessary to deal with the education of youth. Moreover, such mildly said "unstable" peoples. History is a witness to that!
    6. Skiff
      Skiff April 19 2013 10: 15
      +1
      Take them all there, but to be honest it’s not against Syria but against Ukraine and Russia, they will return home trained, religiously motivated and fiercely hating everyone and everything.
    7. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 11: 20
      +3
      Islamists from Kyrgyzstan fight in Syria on the side of militants



      A Kyrgyz law enforcement source said police were able to identify members of a group of extremists heading to Syria to fight after one of them was searched for by his wife. She told the police that her husband had left "to receive a religious education" (as he himself told her) and did not get in touch for a long time.

      The Kyrgyz Ministry of Internal Affairs noted that at least five Islamists aged 18 to 36 years left for Syria. The detained recruiters confirmed that they were all sent to war zones, the SANA agency reports.

      Kyrgyz police say the number of citizens in their country involved in the Syrian conflict does not exceed five. At the same time, Alexander Knyazev, an expert on the modern history of Central Asian countries, believes that the number of Kyrgyz sent to fight in Syria is much larger.

      A real Islamist international is fighting on the side of Syrian militants. In fact, the so-called "opposition" in Syria is an international terrorist conglomerate of various, often unrelated, bandit groups.

      The Algerian newspaper Al-Shuruk reported the detention by the country's security forces of four people who are members of the Islamic Salvation Army, affiliated with Jabhat al-Nusra, who are recruiting young Algerians to be sent to Syria. Members of the organization have connections with extremists in Tunisia and Libya.
    8. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 11: 22
      0
      Algerian authorities detained 4 militants accused of recruiting to send to Syria

      The Algerian newspaper "Al-Shuruk", citing informed sources, reported on the arrest by the security services of 4 citizens of the country on suspicion of participating in a campaign of recruiting militants and sending them to Syria.
      Reportedly, all detainees belong to the Islamic Salvation Army, an extremist organization, and one of them holds a leading position in it.
      The arrested are accused of having links with terrorist groups operating in Syria on the side of the armed opposition and recruiting for them new fighters from among the young residents of Algeria who are adjacent to the military detachments of Jebhat al-Nusra. Also, according to journalists, these people have connections with similar organizations and networks in Tunisia and Libya.
    9. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 11: 26
      +4
      Fresh video from Syria

      Idlib province, a large group of militants destroyed
      1. SSR
        SSR April 19 2013 12: 07
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Fresh

        ohh .. how good that the shooting quality is bad .. and it's good that the video does not transmit the stink ...
        brrr shrugged gently.
        good luck to Assad and the Syrian people in the destruction of bandits
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith April 19 2013 15: 02
          0
          That I try every day to upload videos, there is not only poor quality, there is good.
      2. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 15: 31
        +1
        and where did these idiots go for cannon fodder. WAR IS NOT A JOKE, and then ALLAH AKBAR will not help.
    10. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus April 19 2013 15: 48
      +1
      Well, well-intentioned, the more such scumbags go to the front there, the less will remain here. The main thing is to help the Syrians and understand what's what. Or do you want the Crimea to explode?
  2. smel
    smel April 19 2013 06: 42
    +7
    You can only wish good luck to Assad in the destruction of bandits
  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. April 19 2013 06: 50
    +4
    ... And then Abdullah left for religion ...

    He left and will not return ... to him there, and to the same freaks as he, and the road.
    And ours, notebook law enforcement officers, this very HBT and their activists are defended, Paskuda.
    It immediately becomes clear exactly what, because of the ocean, grants are paid to them.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 19 2013 09: 58
      +1
      Quote: Bulls.
      ... And then Abdullah left for religion ...

      He left and will not return ... to him there, and to the same freaks as he, and the road.
      And ours, notebook law enforcement officers, this very HBT and their activists are defended, Paskuda.
      It immediately becomes clear exactly what, because of the ocean, grants are paid to them.

      And if he returns, and not one, but in a company with the same jihadists scumbags?
      After all, if they begin to be crushed, they will begin to return to their native land as cockroaches.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. April 19 2013 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        And if he returns, and not one, but in a company with the same jihadists scumbags?
        After all, if they begin to be crushed, they will begin to return to their native land as cockroaches.

        With those who return and do not calm down, they will act in the same way as they still do, that is: they will be wet, where they will catch, they will be caught in the bathroom, they will soak in the bathroom.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 19 2013 17: 13
          +1
          With those who return and do not calm down, they will act in the same way as they still do, that is: they will be wet, where they will catch, they will be caught in the bathroom, they will soak in the bathroom.

          Who! CSS or Ukrainian cops, maybe SPN Navy? do not tell me ... They work more on politics ...
          But about watering - Are you personally ready to go and water in the toilet or will you transfer the arrows to Ukrainians? So raking over any of us.
  4. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 19 2013 06: 51
    +7
    Play Ukraine with this organization ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 19 2013 09: 10
      +6
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Play Ukraine with this organization ...
      And not only this one! In the ARC, with the complete connivance of the Ukrainian authorities, a whole series of extremist groups simply thrives. And like a huge melting pot, a monstrous mixture of Ukrainian nationalism and Crimean Tatar religious extremism arises in Crimea. Moreover, these, the language does not turn to say, organizations interact despite all the contradictions in their philosophies. It seems that divisions are being recreated Galicia and Nachtigall to fight a common enemy (is it not with Russia?) and under someone else's leadership. Russia, a leading state of at least a regional scale, will soon have to face these challenges.
      1. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic April 19 2013 10: 41
        +1
        It is quite logical to interact with him, at the beginning of the hot phase, Ukraine is practically in a vice from Western Ukraine and from the Crimea, although all sorts of people will also climb from Bessarabia ... eeehhh
  5. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 06: 54
    -9
    How is the problem of the Crimean Tatars inflated and invented ... The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 07: 05
      +7
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      How is the problem of the Crimean Tatars inflated and invented ... The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny.

      Well, there were not many Chechens in 1994, but what came of it. Don't want to giggle?
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution April 19 2013 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, there were not many Chechens in 1994, but what came of it. Don't want to giggle?

        Dear, this is a ridiculous comparison: did someone leave the armaments to the Crimean Tatars, which at the time were no different from the Russian army? In Chechnya, it was not ordinary recruits who fought against us, but those who passed the military school of the USSR, having visited Afghanistan and other hot spots. So to compare a separate ethnic group and the whole state, which was stuffed with weapons and sent a couple of battalions to fight against them without support from outside, is not necessary. Chechnya is a betrayal.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 09: 57
          +2
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          , someone left the armament to the Crimean Tatars, which at the time were no different from the Russian army?

          Considering how freely they feel there, they will help them to acquire weapons, and for good money on the paw, customs will give the go-ahead.
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          In Chechnya, it was not ordinary recruits who fought against us, but those who passed the military school of the USSR, having visited Afghanistan and other hot spots.

          Article for whom is it written? For you, including, what would you read and think about, but how did the Tatars get into Syria, who sent them there and why. And who told you that there are no people with military experience, there are those who have a very large and good one.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution April 19 2013 12: 06
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Considering how freely they feel there, they will help them to acquire weapons, and for good money on the paw, customs will give the go-ahead.

            Tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and even the first time the Air Force? Do not tell me how they will put it at customs?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Article for whom is it written? For you, including, what would you read and think about, but how did the Tatars get into Syria, who sent them there and why. And who told you that there are no people with military experience, there are those who have a very large and good one.

            I know who sends them and why, it is possible that people with military experience, but mostly young people who travel easily to chapels, go there, and these chapels are not only in Crimea but around the world, we have not less of them in Russia, the good start to cover up, in St. Petersburg, if I am not mistaken, they closed this stash. And the fact that they are sent there, they get combat experience, moreover, not bad. But the comparison in this case is not correct, the scale, alas, is not the same, it is just as stupid to compare Stalingrad with Syria, it seems that there is a war going on there and there, but a completely different framework.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 19 2013 17: 48
              0
              Quote: Phantom Revolution

              Tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and even the first time the Air Force? Do not tell me how they will put it at customs?

              Without tanks and everything else in Syria, there were problems above the roof
              1. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution April 20 2013 21: 09
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Without tanks and everything else in Syria, there were problems above the roof

                The point is different, the conflict of religions. In fact, you can distinguish Tatars from Ukrainian at times. But Shiite from Alavite is more problematic here.
                Moreover, the Tatars are a minority, again in Syria the Alawites who are in power are a minority.
                There are opposite cases.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa April 19 2013 10: 50
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Don't wanna giggle
        Here's more ... cause for laughter: "Kiev - Simferopol, September 30 (New Region, Mikhail Ryabov) - At least 120 more Tatars wish to come to Crimea, said deputy head of the Mejlis Refat Chubarov.
        “There are no special agreements between Ukraine and the post-Soviet states, on the territory of which at least 120 thousand Crimean Tatars still remain against their will, providing them conditions for unhindered departure from places of exile,” Chubarov said in an interview with The Day newspaper.
        “The world and European international community cannot and should not remain indifferent to the ongoing tragedy of the Crimean Tatar people,” he emphasized.
        “We invited the heads of diplomatic missions and representative offices of international organizations accredited in Ukraine to a meeting with the leadership of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. It will be held on October 5, 2011 in Kiev. I’m sure that by the combined efforts of the Ukrainian state and the international community, we will be able to restore justice to the Crimean Tatar people who fell victim to the totalitarian communist regime, ” - summarized Chubarov
        NR2.ru: http://nr2.com.ua/crimea/351001.html
      3. Nesvet Nezar
        Nesvet Nezar April 19 2013 11: 57
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
        How is the problem of the Crimean Tatars inflated and invented ... The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny.

        Well, there were not many Chechens in 1994, but what came of it. Don't want to giggle?


        I join the commentary three weeks ago - the main trolls on this site are marshals .....

        You still compare with your finger. These are body parts, yes. They are covered in leather, yes.

        Do not know the problem, only speak out for the pluses. I wish you good health, a wife and three children!
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. April 19 2013 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      How is the problem of the Crimean Tatars inflated and invented ... The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny.

      If they inflate, it means that someone really needs it, and if you inflate something for a very long time, then in the end it will LOPET.
    3. Denis
      Denis April 19 2013 07: 52
      +5
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      How is the problem of Crimean Tatars inflated and invented?
      The numbers are now not found, but when comparing the numbers total the population of the Crimean Tatars to! 941 and the number of Nazis who crossed and fought on the side, considering that they called on men and how old ...
      JV Stalin had something to think about laughing
    4. Kaa
      Kaa April 19 2013 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny


      “The world and European international community cannot and should not remain indifferent to the ongoing tragedy of the Crimean Tatar people,” he emphasized.
      “We invited the heads of diplomatic missions and representative offices of international organizations accredited in Ukraine to a meeting with the leadership of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. It will be held on October 5, 2011 in Kiev. I’m sure that by the combined efforts of the Ukrainian state and the international community, we will be able to restore justice to the Crimean Tatar people who fell victim to the totalitarian communist regime, ”summed up Chubarov.
      NR2.ru: http://nr2.com.ua/crimea/351001.html
    5. avt
      avt April 19 2013 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      How is the problem of the Crimean Tatars inflated and invented ... The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny.

      Do you know that the Turks keep records of the population of the descendants of the Crimean Tatars, and the Turks themselves who left the Crimea? They practically have several million potential "indigenous" inhabitants. So how? Still funny?
  6. Egoza
    Egoza April 19 2013 07: 01
    +6
    It is beneficial for the authorities to have such organizations. 1. The Tatars "sort it out" among themselves and in no way can come to real solidarity. Very many have their own high ambitions. 2. These are always ready-made groups that can go against the Russians living in Crimea. Well, and as "in vain offended" they will also vote against joining the Customs Union. 3. The authorities are again demonstrating their "democracy". That is why the SBU's hands are tied.
    1. Maks111
      Maks111 April 19 2013 07: 18
      +3
      It is beneficial for the authorities to have such organizations. 1. The Tatars "sort it out" among themselves and in no way can come to real solidarity. Very many have their own high ambitions. 2. These are always ready-made groups that can go against the Russians living in Crimea. Well, and as "in vain offended" they will also vote against joining the Customs Union. 3. The authorities are again demonstrating their "democracy". That is why the SBU's hands are tied.
      I am from the Crimea. And where I lived, the Tatars and I lived really peacefully. Well ... at least we didn’t go wall to wall on a national basis. Crimea. Tatars, unlike Caucasians adequate or something.
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV April 19 2013 09: 06
        +1
        Well, if so. And then after all, some in fiction (an alternative story, however) described the conflicts of KrT and the Slavs in Crimea. I really thought it was real. Maybe one eviction was enough for them? And if it wasn’t enough - maybe Kazakhstan will somehow give them the coast in the vicinity of Mangyshlak? And Siberia is great and deserted here. Relocating peoples is an extreme matter, but only the lazy did not tell about the mass betrayals of the Crimean Tatars under the Germans. Even in the Soviet years, memoirs of veterans flashed more than once. Those who think Russia is defeated again, even if only they look back at their experience ...
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 19 2013 09: 57
          +4
          Quote: DimychDV
          Maybe one eviction was enough for them?

          And who said that there was one eviction? The second took place in 1953, when, after an amnesty, the Tatars poured onto the peninsula. That's just about him you will not find a single reliable line now. These are only eyewitnesses of those events that remember what they were doing then ...
          And now there’s simply nowhere to evict them. And if you consider that of those who are now listed as Crimean Tatar, REALLY they are about one out of ten ...
          1. KuigoroZHIK
            KuigoroZHIK April 19 2013 12: 00
            +3
            I am from the Crimea. He lived in Saki, now in Sevastopol.
            Here we really had wall to wall and one-on-one. It is on the nat. sign. One hooked the other and rushed. You "boil" for a couple of days and then everything settles down for a couple of weeks. After - such a story again. But somewhere around 98-00 everything calmed down. Fights on nat. sign stopped (in our settlement). But in Simferopol - there is a completely different story. Nothing has changed there, especially in the Simferopol region.
            ps And I also remember very well the words of one Tatar, he lives in 3 houses from the house of my parents. He has a Russian wife.
            "We are now living well, amicably. But if the Mejlis says to cut, I will go cut."
            Therefore, here the proverb is best suited: be friends, and keep a stone in your bosom.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop April 19 2013 21: 06
              +2
              Something has also changed in Simferopol. Especially in relation to the Mejlis. They have already been stealing so much that the former trust in his orders has long ceased. Although from children applications like: "We will soon paint the roofs with your blood ..." sometimes slip through. This means that such conversations take place at home ...
  7. horoh
    horoh April 19 2013 07: 01
    0
    Get together the whole world and crush all this scum !!!!
  8. SCS
    SCS April 19 2013 07: 04
    +4
    - "The special services of Ukraine claim that they have insufficient powers to suppress the activities of such structures."
    ---
    Since there are such materials in the media, it cannot be that the SBU does not have
    materials for monitoring the situation !!! So it’s profitable ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 19 2013 07: 17
      +5
      Quote: SCS
      "The special services of Ukraine claim that they do not have enough powers to suppress the activities of such structures."

      And what and from whom do they need powers in their own state-ve? Is it really EU resolution and US support?
      1. SCS
        SCS April 19 2013 07: 47
        0
        Quote: Garrin
        Quote: SCS
        "The special services of Ukraine claim that they do not have enough powers to suppress the activities of such structures."

        And what and from whom do they need powers in their own state-ve? Is it really EU resolution and US support?


        here you can only speculate and where do the versions build a whole bunch! but the fact of inaction (observation) of special services speaks for itself!
  9. Denis
    Denis April 19 2013 07: 44
    +1
    It seems to me that they came up with something wrong. One demoniac already tried to do this, at 45 he was brought to suicide
  10. CCA
    CCA April 19 2013 07: 48
    +1
    The tragedy is that in the brains of young people (especially Muslim), such recruiters (who were also subjected to the same treatment) mix the concepts of faith, money, cynicism and cruelty into one vinaigrette, and then use them for interests that are completely unrelated to their own and of the society where they live ... Another thing is that it became possible, which is incomparably worse ...
  11. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB April 19 2013 08: 07
    +1
    One can talk a lot about the wisdom of Stalin, now what is wise to do now? It seems like the Crimean Tatar people do not offend and stop the attacks, not only, as it turned out, to eat Russian fish, and ... to sit in a chair, but from experience, as a rule, it doesn’t work out and everyone should answer for their affairs, whether a person or people who pleased, raised and directed his hand.
  12. Majorloms
    Majorloms April 19 2013 08: 09
    +1
    The people are garbage. As well as a couple of ethnic groups. In today's world, you must immediately have a dozen Stalinists.
  13. UFO
    UFO April 19 2013 08: 37
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, if Ukraine does not actually have anarchy, they don’t know where the country is heading, even at the top. In short, it’s time to return Crimea and restore order there.

    The funny thing is that the Tatars also think, and while our snot are chewing, the Tatars, with the help of the "Wahhabite brothers" and other trash from Syria, can try to split Crimea from Ukraine, with the tacit support of Turkey, Qatar and the Saudis. Now, they will gain combat experience and return. (An attempt with Russia and Chechnya did not make it through, they would easily check Ukraine for its "independence", it is not for nothing that it is not accepted into NATO.) hi
  14. darksoul
    darksoul April 19 2013 08: 43
    +1
    All the dirt is now gathering near Syria .... good luck to Assad ... we must resist, a dangerous situation, of course, more than once rumors have passed that they are already trying to recruit our Tatars on the Volga
  15. Silhouette
    Silhouette April 19 2013 08: 51
    +6
    When Ukraine plunges into the chaos of the internal political struggle between the Bandera Westerners and the pro-Russian forces and it comes to direct clashes between the opposing groups, the Crimean Tatar Mejlis will announce the creation of the Crimean Tatar state. They have everything ready for this - the Constitution of the Crimea, the shadow government, etc. Russians are destined for the role of a discriminated majority, similar to the Baltic countries, Zimbabwe and South Africa. The Crimean apartheid will be immediately supported by Western Europe and the United States. Clashes will begin, blood will be shed. Islamists from all over the world will flock to Crimea for jihad to support their own in the fight against infidels. The Ukrainian government will lose all control over the situation on the peninsula and will be unable to do anything. The Kosovo scenario will be repeated in Yugoslavia with Libyan and Syrian elements. Many Turks will appear on the peninsula (from the Crimean Tatars, of which there are from 3 to 6 million in Turkey). The Uzbek "relatives", of which there are about 250 thousand, will catch up. The outflow of Russians from Crimea to Russia will begin. Russian enclaves are formed in Sevastopol, Yalta, Simferopol, which will be subjected to constant repression and oppression. Crimea will become Islamic.
    And here, even the matter is not in the Crimean Tatars themselves, many of which will be passive observers, the matter is in the geopolitical situation associated with the onset of Islam on the Christian path of world development.
    1. 123dv
      123dv April 19 2013 09: 11
      +3
      Get here and there a little combat experience, become more determined ...
      And further on to the above scenario ....
      Only the finale will be different; even the Amerov fleet off the coast of Crimea cannot help them. They will not cope. They’ll manage to go without blood, but Crimea will stand.
    2. biglow
      biglow April 19 2013 09: 47
      +3
      Quote: Silhouette
      When Ukraine plunges into the chaos of the internal political struggle between the Bandera Westerners and the pro-Russian forces and it comes to direct clashes between the opposing groups, the Crimean Tatar Mejlis will announce the creation of the Crimean Tatar state. They have everything ready for this - the Constitution of the Crimea, the shadow government, etc. Russians are destined for the role of a discriminated majority, similar to the Baltic countries, Zimbabwe and South Africa. The Crimean apartheid will be immediately supported by Western Europe and the United States. Clashes will begin, blood will be shed. Islamists from all over the world will flock to Crimea for jihad to support their own in the fight against infidels. The Ukrainian government will lose all control over the situation on the peninsula and will be unable to do anything. The Kosovo scenario will be repeated in Yugoslavia with Libyan and Syrian elements. Many Turks will appear on the peninsula (from the Crimean Tatars, of which there are from 3 to 6 million in Turkey). The Uzbek "relatives", of which there are about 250 thousand, will catch up. The outflow of Russians from Crimea to Russia will begin. Russian enclaves are formed in Sevastopol, Yalta, Simferopol, which will be subjected to constant repression and oppression. Crimea will become Islamic.
      And here, even the matter is not in the Crimean Tatars themselves, many of which will be passive observers, the matter is in the geopolitical situation associated with the onset of Islam on the Christian path of world development.

      it won’t come to that in the Crimea, there were already skirmishes between the Tatars and the Russians when trying to seize the land, the Tatars always left with nothing. This is not Chechnya or the Caucasus. This is Russian land and we will not simply retreat. Moreover, there are many retired officers in Crimea lives ..
      If the Tatars shed blood, they would have to self-deport to Turkey and pretty soon, and they know about it and therefore they will restrain the small number of scumbags that any nation has
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette April 19 2013 10: 05
        +3
        Do not confuse skirmishes with organized struggle.

        From the Declaration of Independence of Crimea:
        Article 1: “Crimea is the national territory of the Crimean Tatar people, in which only it has the right to self-determination ... the revival of the Crimean Tatar people is possible only in a sovereign national state. The Crimean Tatar people will strive for this goal, using all means provided by international law. ”

        Article 3 “Any opposition to the realization of the inalienable right of the Crimean Tatar people to self-determination ... is considered as an attempt to legally secure the results of the deportation of the Crimean Tatars ... and is not recognized as a kurultai ...”

        Article 4 “The land and natural resources of Crimea, including its recreational and recreational potential, is the basis of the national wealth of the Crimean Tatar people ... They cannot be used beyond the will and consent of the Crimean Tatar people ...”

        Article 5 "In the event of opposition of state bodies or any other parties to the achievement of the goals proclaimed by the Kurultai ... Kurultay instructs the Mejlis to seek recognition of the status of the people fighting the national liberation of the Crimean Tatar people and act according to this status."

        That is, let's say simpler - this document contains the following requirements:
        - only Tatars have the right to Crimea;
        - everything that contradicts this is not recognized;
        - all that exists in Crimea is the property of only Tatars;
        - Tatars reserve the right to seek the creation of an ethnocratic state by any means, including the example of Kosovo, for the Tatars is an example that clearly shows what will happen if all these requirements are met.

        Kosovo is also originally Serbian territory - and what is the result?
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette April 19 2013 10: 15
          0
          From the Tatar Constitution of Crimea:
          Article 1 “The Crimean Republic is a sovereign democratic rule of law, uniting the Crimean people, Karaites and Krymchaks, which make up the indigenous population of the Republic during the course of historical development” ... - a simple, stupid compilation of articles of the laws of the Third Reich on the state of the Aryans: all rights - race of gentlemen, duties - to the Slavs.

          Article 3 "The indigenous people of Crimea - Crimean Tatars, Karaites and Krymchaks, who have the right to self-determination in Crimea ... are the bearer of sovereignty and the only source of state power throughout the Republic."

          Article 5 "A decision shall be considered adopted at a referendum if voted for it .. including more than half of the voters representing the indigenous population of the Republic."

          Article 9 “... The Republic has the right to change its state-legal status ... Change in the state-legal status of the Republic is considered adopted if more than half of all citizens of the Republic who have the right to vote have voted for it .. including more than ½ voters representing the indigenous population of the Republic. ” - It is as if in the USA some state decided whether or not to be part of the federation with the votes of the Indians living in that state.

          Art. 84 "... The elections of people's deputies of all levels (except for the deputies of the Mejlis and Vice-President), the President of the Republic are held on the basis of universal, equal, direct suffrage by secret ballot."
          Article 87 "... the voter in each constituency has one vote ... an exception is established for the election of deputies to the Mejlis."
          Article 88 “The election of people's deputies in the Republic, with the exception of deputies of the Mejlis, is direct: a people's deputy is elected directly by citizens.”

          Article 93 “... The Parliament consists of two equal chambers - the Council of People’s Representatives and the Mejlis ... The Council of People’s Representatives consists of 100 deputies ... The Mejlis represents the indigenous population of the Republic, expresses its will and defends its rights and legitimate interests in the Supreme Council of the Crimean Republic. The Mejlis consists of 50 deputies ... "
          Article 100 "... The law is considered adopted if in each of the chambers of the Supreme Council of the Republic a majority of the members of the chamber vote for it." - So, the Tatars vote twice: first to the Council of People’s Representatives, and then to the Majlis. First, universal values ​​are chosen, then narrowly national.

          Article 104 The procedure for the election of the President. “... A candidate shall be considered elected if he receives more than half of the votes ... including more than half of the votes of the indigenous people of the Republic ... if two presidential candidates come out in the second round ... who will receive the largest number of votes in the second round, provided that he did not vote less than 1/3 of the voters representing the indigenous population of the Republic. ”

          Article 109 Vice-President of the Crimean Republic. “The Vice - President of the Republic is elected by Kurultai from among the candidates proposed by him in agreement with the President of the Republic. The candidate shall be considered elected if he receives more than 2/3 of the votes of the Kurultai delegates ... In the event of the President’s repeated refusal to agree to the election of the Vice-President from among the candidates nominated by Kurultai, Kurultai independently makes a decision. ”

          Article 17 "... Citizens of the Crimean Tatar nationality ... shall be ensured: priority right to obtain land for the construction of housing, social infrastructure, public, cultural and religious buildings, and economic activity."
  16. 3dmaxsev
    3dmaxsev April 19 2013 09: 46
    +2
    The SBU again signed for their own impotence, because it is easier for them to institute criminal proceedings against their own officers and engage in bribery than to fight extremism. Especially considering the modern personnel of this service, because it has become fashionable to serve there.
  17. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 19 2013 10: 20
    +2
    In order for such recruitment to become possible, emissaries from QATAR and TURKEY arrived there for a long time and brainwashing the local population of Crimean Tatars was VERY AGGRESSIVE - now they are READY CANNON MEAT for adventurers, RUSSIA in the CAUCASUS and IN VOLGA try to carry out the same scenario.
  18. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 19 2013 10: 26
    +4
    These terrorists nada dampens water, the brains of e - t youth with their jihad.

    Salafiti also eats in Georgia, but Ani is still behaving normally.
  19. Kaa
    Kaa April 19 2013 10: 37
    0
    Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
    The people in the amount of 250 thousand people. That's just funny

    Here's another reason for your laughter: "Kiev - Simferopol, September 30 (New Region, Mikhail Ryabov) - At least 120 more Tatars wish to come to Crimea, said deputy head of the Mejlis Refat Chubarov.
    1. porevith
      porevith April 19 2013 10: 59
      0
      certainly funny, especially when reading a person living in the Crimea. I would come better and see how it is in reality, otherwise hell’s sitting and knows where he is reasoning, I can just as well tell you how, for example, extremism is developing in Tatarstan and how they are preparing to leave Russia wink
    2. porevith
      porevith April 19 2013 11: 05
      0
      certainly funny, especially when reading a person living in the Crimea. I would come better and see how it is in reality, otherwise hell’s sitting and knows where he is reasoning, I can just as well tell you how, for example, extremism is developing in Tatarstan and how they are preparing to leave Russia wink
  20. Vtel
    Vtel April 19 2013 11: 17
    0
    Zhiddy-Liberals and in Crimea do not work weakly. The Tatars are specially resettled wherever they want, the main thing is that there should be less Russians there. In Russia, emigrants diluted, in the Crimea - Tatars, the mustache goes according to their plan.
  21. Alexander Kirov
    Alexander Kirov April 19 2013 12: 17
    +1
    The fact that such realities is possible to recruit mercenaries in Ukraine. The Chechens arranged an unsinkable hospital, Crimean recruiting centers, etc. The reason is the authorities insatiable in theft. There are no jobs and are not expected. The bazar no longer feeds, as in Uzbekistan, but children 6-8 who will feed and how? They don’t give the land, but take the one they gave, especially by the sea. Ukraine will wait in the Crimea for the khanate, not at all Russian, but historically its own. The Tatars are not their own, here Fergana can break out instantly. And who considering Turkey nearby, Libya, Tunisia and the possibilities of supplying arms to the coast, no one will stop this humanitarian aid. Just the Syrian scenario in the Crimean manner. Who will close the border? The Black Sea fleet that they want to kick out, there is no Ukrainian submarine fleet, well, as usual, the children of workers and peasants.
  22. ars_pro
    ars_pro April 19 2013 14: 38
    +1
    I also don’t like these movements right at hand, I hope the SBU will keep them under control and wet these recruiters !!!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 19 2013 17: 22
      +1
      nobody will touch them, paid for by the Americans, they won’t give them ... Tension is beneficial for them in Ukraine as a whole, and in Crimea in particular and not only the USA, the ears of Turkey, France, Italy, oil and gas still stick out there monarchies from the Middle East ...