Ukraine has built China the world's largest hovercraft

The Chinese side is satisfied with the quality of work.

Ukraine handed over to the People’s Republic of China the first air-cushion landing ship built by the Feodosia shipbuilding company MORA, commissioned by the Chinese Navy, the NBN reports.

“During the acceptance of the vessel, the Chinese side praised the quality of the work performed by Ukrainian enterprises,” said Ukrspetseksport.

Currently, at FGC "More", work is underway to build a similar ship for a Chinese customer. Two more ships will be built in China with the participation of Ukrainian specialists using domestic components.

In September, 2012, the first aircraft carrier entered the Chinese naval forces. They became a converted ship "Varyag", bought in Ukraine.

Reference. The world's largest amphibious airborne assault ship of the 958 project is designed to receive combat equipment and personnel of amphibious assault forces from the equipped or unequipped coast, transport by sea, disembark to the unequipped coast and provide fire support for the landing forces. It can also transport mines and minefields.

Comments

[Fox]

I hope, "the world's largest hovercraft", no more than China itself? .. and then, even then there is no information in the article ...

[vadimus]

And so, the Chinese are arming themselves around the world ... And no miracle!

[Kars]

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[Joker]

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but is this not Bison? Only recently I watched a program about him in Russia, the possibilities are really impressive. From memory, I can say that it can transport either 500 paratroopers, or 140 man of the landing force and 3 tank, or instead of tanks 5 BTR.

[Reasonable, 2,3]

If true, but as far as I know in Ukraine there are no such cars left.

[albert]

Most likely it is a Zubr-class landing ship. In Ukraine it is being built under a different name.

[kind]

Yes, this is "ZUBR" - a product of the Soviet era.

[UFO]

Now it is "Bison". Development of the Central Design Bureau "Almaz", St. Petersburg. Another grimace of "brothers-Slavs": theft of intellectual property, weapons of our potential enemy. "Peace, friendship, love!"

[Vladimirets]

Quote: UFO

Another grimace of "brothers-Slavs": theft of intellectual property, weapons of our potential enemy. "Peace, friendship, love!"

Earn as they can.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Vladimirets

Earn as they can.

And this is true. One little "BUT!" I do not know the text of the construction contract, but I strongly suspect that after mooring in the home port, this ship will be copied, like everything that fell into the hands of the Chinese. Well, I have such disgusting suspicions.

[G_sl]

[quote = Hedgehog] [quote = Vladimir] .... after mooring at the home port, this ship will be copied, like everything that fell into the hands of the Chinese.
Read carefully - "Two more ships will be built in China with the participation of Ukrainian specialists using domestic components." WHY COPY?

[sergius60]

Arming for the next ten years the MOST RELIABLE ALLY of Russia. And then it depends on Russia itself. The advanced development of science and technology guarantees "eternal friendship". And if "stagnant" - you’ll have to shy away from Turkey and Iran in addition. EVEN UKRAINE WILL BE AFRAID !!!

[Stiletto]

UFO: "Another grimace of" Slavic brothers ": theft of intellectual property, weapons of our potential adversary" - I would not be so categorical - we ourselves are happy to sell weapons to China - and nothing, "Slavic brothers" have no claim.

[Professor]

Another grimace of "brothers-Slavs": theft of intellectual property, weapons of our potential enemy.

1. Intellectual property has a statute of limitations of not more than 25 years.
2. Please specify who is the main supplier of arms and military technology to China?

[Gemar]

Quote: professor

1. Intellectual property has a statute of limitations of not more than 25 years.

In an airplane, helicopter, tank, submarine, radar, projectile, mine ... many different patented inventions coexist. These inventions can be created with a significant time difference (and radars on airplanes change ...), so the object is often framed as "know-how" (almost like a trade secret). The term of protection for "know-how" is not established by law (or rather, it is indefinite), therefore, in fact, it is limited by the time the information is kept confidential. Think, Professor, if there is any country now (well, apart from China, of course, we are afraid to grab them by Yalez ... ) will openly start producing Grads and MiG-21s, won't this be a violation of the intellectual rights of the Russian Federation, as the heir to the USSR?

Quote: professor

2. Please specify who is the main supplier of arms and military technology to China?

The China Intelligence Network is the main supplier. Our "effective" managers come second.

[Professor]

These inventions can be created with a significant time difference (and radars on airplanes change ...), so the object is often framed as "know-how" (almost like a trade secret). The term of protection for "know-how" is not established by law (or rather, it is indefinite), therefore, in fact, it is limited by the time the information is kept confidential.

In other words, if I managed to find out this "know-how", then it becomes the problem of its former owner. Everything is fair and legal.

Think, Professor, if now any country (well, apart from China, of course, we are afraid to grab them by Yalts ...) begins to openly produce Grads and MiG-21s, would this not be a violation of the intellectual rights of the Russian Federation, as the heir to the USSR?

Of course no. The statute of limitations has expired (if they ever took shape at all) of these developments. For example, the AK-47 can be completely freely and legally copied, produced and sold already since 1972 (in fact, since 1947, since no one has filed a patent), therefore, all talk about fakes is a simple chatter.

[Gemar]

Quote: professor

Rights expired

Revised legislation ... You are right, professor!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: UFO

armament of our potential enemy. "Peace, friendship, love!"

Somehow, the SU-35 sale fits into this logic. You do not earn bread in the market? There is the same style in conflicts. If only something offensive to have time to shout.
But the quotation marks correctly set (about the brothers of the Slavs) with his block of wood. This is we Belarusians, Russians (Rus) - brothers.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: gladiatorakz

with its churban flag.

You don’t bother with this flag. This is some kind of glitch on the site. A couple of days ago, and I was given such a flag, and two days in a row.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Hedgehog

You don’t bother with this flag. This is some kind of glitch on the site. A couple of days ago, and I was given such a flag, and two days in a row.

Clear. Just a foreign flag is in good agreement with the logic of UFOs.

[UFO]

Quote: Stiletto

We sell weapons to China ourselves

Quote: professor

2. Please specify who is the main supplier of arms and military technology to China?

Quote: gladiatorakz

Something sucks in this logic fits the sale of SU-35

The sale of the Su-27,30,35 is a short-sighted "activity" of grabbers from our military-industrial complex, although there are nuances in the protection of these transactions, but in any case they do not affect Ukraine in any way, unlike the above transaction, can you see the difference? No?

Quote: gladiatorakz

) with its churban flag.

This is for the moderators.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: UFO

The sale of the Su-27,30,35 is a short-sighted "activity" of grabbers from our military-industrial complex, although there are nuances in the protection of these transactions, but in any case they do not affect Ukraine in any way, unlike the above transaction, can you see the difference?

I see flexible morality and double standards.

[UFO]

Nothing like this. Now, if Russia armed Romania with "Strongholds", oh -

Quote: gladiatorakz

double standarts.

[Joker]

arming our potential adversary.

Sorry, but what the hell are we then selling to the potential enemy SU-35 and aircraft engines? BUT? We can, and others neither, so what? As for property, this is another matter.

[kosmos44]

Well! Now you can confidently start copying. And replacing a couple of rivets with nuts, call this creation completely its national product.

[Wlad59]

Yeah ... where did they get the engines, didn't they think?

[Ezhaak]

Quote: wlad59

where only they will take engines, did not think?

And where did they get engines for copied Soviet and Russian planes, didn’t they think? They will buy from the same manufacturer. And the manufacturer will sell.

[atalef]

Who pays the money and the young lady is dancing

[svp67]

Quote: kosmos44

Well! Now you can confidently start copying. And replacing a couple of rivets with nuts, call this creation completely its national product.

The fact is, dozens of them "clones" should be expected soon. Well, well, Taiwan and Japan can already sleep "not calmly" ...

[deo75]

Ukraine simply stole the Zubr technology and are now building its clones for China.

[svp67]

Quote: deo75

Ukraine simply stole the Zubr technology and are now building its clones for China.

After the collapse of the USSR and the division of the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine got 3 combat ships (Kramatorsk, U423 Gorlivka, Artemivsk) and 2 unfinished at the shipyards in Feodosia, one of which was Donetsk - in June of the 1993 it was completed and commissioned to the Ukrainian Navy. The remaining ships did not go to sea and were listed in reserve.
The active position taken by Russian and then Ukrainian foreign trade organizations to promote the Zubr KVP on the world market has borne fruit. On January 24 of 2000 in Athens, a tripartite 200 millionth contract was signed with Russia (Rosvooruzhenie Group of Companies, now Federal State Unitary Enterprise Rosoboronexport) and Ukraine (Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies) for the supply of 4 Zubrov (each party has 2 units) to the Ministry of National defense of Greece. Thus ended the international tender for the acquisition by Greece of amphibious airbase, lasting from 1998 year.

http://www.milrus.com/vmf/1232/text.shtml

So, it is quite possible that our country is also behind this deal ...

[Lissyara]

Laugh all together?
On the photo KVP "Mordovia" (board number 782), photo from Baltiysk.
Or while I was sleeping, did the Chinese reach the Baltic?
By the way, who cares, more detailed information
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-693.html

[Skavron]

By the way, I already wanted to ask for a red star, but Ві got ahead of me)

[SEM]

It would not be necessary only to drown us these boats in the future, otherwise who knows what other ambitions China has)))

[Gemar]

Quote: SEM

but who knows what other ambitions China has)))

Do you still doubt ???

And yet ... before there was at least some chance that such a ship would be ordered from Brazil or Iran. Now the probability of such tends to zero! In a couple of years, China will offer these products at dumping prices. Let yourself at a loss, but with plans for the future. Now all of China is considered far from the most technologically advanced and high-quality, so they try not to hobble with the price. Later, when they can produce thousands of types of weapons quickly and cheaply, they will sign contracts for billions of dollars with them (and by that time, maybe in RMB). Sense will buy something from the Russian Federation, something from Ukraine, something from the United States ??? When it is beneficial for both parties to sign a large contract only with the PRC and receive a large discount in return. Timing for the Chinese will be unprincipled - when the client says, then they will build it.
Our and Ukrainian "effective" managers are themselves ... no, not like that ... they are digging a grave for their homeland. The main thing for them is to make money now, to bring money and children abroad ... and yap from there to "unwashed Russia."
No one is looking into the future ... Look, the Chinese are investing in forest plantations - the projects will pay off in 50 years or more. And they don't give a damn, the main thing is that they invest in their homeland, for the glory of the "Celestial Empire"!
And ours all think, to restore MiG-31 production to them .. or you’ll steal more on a new interceptor ...

[Apollo]

Good morning everybody

[Tersky]

Quote: Apollon

Good morning everybody

And you too, !

[Lissyara]

I'm talking about Ukraine, I have nothing against it. He studied there in Soviet times.
That's just okay, that the project project 12322 "Bison" began to be built back in the USSR?
Ukrainian variation - project 958 "Bizon".
Although brothers-Slavs, An-124 was "painted" in Kiev, but made in Ulyanovsk.

[nickname 1 and 2]

Well!
Maybe even the cunning Chinese will put cunning hoax into operation.
All is better than the last will fall under NATO.

[svp67]

Quote: nick 1 and 2

Well!
Maybe even the cunning Chinese will put cunning hoax into operation.
All is better than the last will fall under NATO.

Oh?

[domokl]

I was glad for the Ukrainians. The ship is needed and well done what they do ... So, in the future, they will be able to equip their fleet with something like that ... And it's even a shame ...

[TRex]

And I am ashamed of the fact that in the Caspian Sea we have the last two "Dzheyrans" rotting ... Is ordering a division of new DKVP in Feodosia too weak?

[Misantrop]

Quote: TRex

Is the order of the new DKVP weak in Feodosia?

And the plant would be happy to build. Still, it is easier than working on a rotational basis at Almaz and the Far East. Almost the entire settlement of the factory is now working on the road. In Primorsky, the plant employs mainly those who are for health, family reasons, etc. can't leave ...

[domokl]

Quote: TRex

I am ashamed

Alas, many of us have this state ... And not only in the Navy, but also in the army, in power structures, everywhere ... Gorbachev and the EBN did too much good, their mother ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: domokl

. Means, in the future, and their fleet will be able to equip with something like that

They won't, Ukraine doesn't need SUCH fleet. Last year they wrote off the only one based on a similar principle of movement. "As unnecessary" ...

[domokl]

Quote: Misantrop

SUCH fleet Ukraine does not need

Are you sure that Ukraine will turn into a third-rate country? Just now tear apart in leadership and in the direction of development. But the time will come and our fleet will have either a powerful ally or a powerful adversary in the person of the Ukrainian fleet ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: domokl

But the time will come and

How many centuries to wait for this? So far, each subsequent president is worse than the previous one. And this trend is not in a hurry to change. Especially considering who is trying on this chair now ...

[fight]

brothers are digging against us. but the current after Russia Kmtay will take away Ukraine as well. some emotions

[Lissyara]

Dmitry, my plans somehow do not include living on the Sino-Portuguese border.))))

[Gemar]

Quote: LiSSyara

Dmitry, my plans somehow do not include living on the Sino-Portuguese border.))))

But the entrance to the plans of the Chinese. "Temporarily lost lands" do not allow the Chinese comrades to sleep peacefully. The other day I again argued with one that Haishenwai (Vladivostok) was never Chinese. Many nationalities lived there (most of all tigers, Koreans and Aiguns), but the Chinese did not live there. The conversation ended with the Chinese saying that I did not know history well, that my brains were dusted with imperialist propaganda from Russia. And nothing that my friend published a book about the indigenous peoples of Primorye - all this is a lie and stupidity. But the CCP is more visible from the top, whose lands the Russians "occupied".

[Lissyara]

The analogy with the Japanese.
Those still cannot sleep without islands.
By the way, I already unsubscribed somewhere against the weapons of the Chinese army with the latest technologies (there was a topic about Su-35).
The trouble is that our rulers have in the first place a $ badge (like Scrooge McDuck), and the second is Russia's defense capability.
The golden principle of history has not yet reached the people: "If you don't want to feed your army, you start feeding the enemy's army."

[Gemar]

Quote: LiSSyara

our rulers come first with a $ sign (like Scrooge McDuck)

That's it! +++
The Chinese also have only money on their minds (even the majesty of the Middle Kingdom fades before wealth in the eyes of the Chinese). Only ours has $ in its eyes, and the Chinese have the abbreviation RMB (yuan). They are even here more patriotic than our rulers.

Quote: LiSSyara

and on the second - Russia's defense capability.

On the second from the end, probably ... For the majority, in the second place is the concern not to sit down, so that the "honestly minded" would not be taken away (with a fuss in the circle of Vasilyeva's case, this has become even more relevant, therefore, as if not in the first place is this anxiety).
Well, in third place ... I don't know how it is all over Russia, but in Primorye, in third place is the question: "What is the weather in Thailand today?" - Primorsky "people elected" have chosen this warm place and massively export capital there.

Quote: LiSSyara

"If you don't want to feed your army, you start feeding the enemy's army."

Many powerful people believe that whose army has to be fed - that and the enemy!

[Lissyara]

The namesake, but everything is sold when there is no concept of conscience and honor!
"with a fuss in the circle of Vasilyeva's case" ... although I am a womanizer, but for this pi ... Xiong would not rise)))

[Gemar]

Quote: LiSSyara

Although I’m a womanizer, I wouldn’t have risen to this ...

+ + +
I think that it’s easy to solve the problem, it’s not for nothing that Taburetkin held it.

[Mhpv]

Quote: Gamar

Quote: LiSSyara

Although I’m a womanizer, I wouldn’t have risen to this ...

+ + +
I think that it’s easy to solve the problem, it’s not for nothing that Taburetkin held it.

A pair of lyamas works better than any viagra and vodka
The question is different would she need you with your letter ... she needs "press and you have something with your stomach" (from a joke)

[Lissyara]

Alas, I'm from the "little green men")
Rather, this clan, as the woman’s battalion called, but the shape is dark blue))

[pensioner]

Thank God at least something else can.

[Captain Vrungel]

There is a factory. There is a license. A technological line has been established. There is a practical experience in product release. There are customers. Put on stream. That, to stop the plant, to leave people without a piece of bread, due to the fact that Russia does not need this product. KB "Almaz" was Soviet and not only Russians and graduates of Russian universities worked, but also Nikolaev, Sevastopol, Odessa. So this is a collective product. You don't have to live according to the principle "Everything is mine", "I am always right". Putin's mistake in Yanukovych has a sharp impact on the Ukrainian people. Even such "non-Russian" ones as Urgant are bastards on the main TV channel. (By the way? All Russian show business consists mainly of people from the Jordan Valley. Is this not pleasant to you to read? So it is not pleasant for me that the people are always made guilty and hostages).

[Skavron]

I put you "+", just ...

Quote: Captain Vrungel

The entire Russian show business consists mainly of people from the Jordan Valley.

Of course, I do not idealize Jewry, but I want to remind you that in Russia there are Jews who love her more than many Russians. And the show business has nothing to do with it. Do not from a sick head to a healthy one. The article is not about that.

[Mhpv]

A small clarification is also not in the subject - the producer at Urgant - Cycalo so it is better not to go into this world of the show ....

[Vital 33]

And they said that there are no plants already ... but everything is in order, they are building ...

[TRex]

There are enough "talkers" and "uryakolok" ... I heard a ring, but don’t know where he is...

[Vital 33]

In-in, this good is really a lot. Current and you hear that "all factories in Ukraine are plundered, there are no specialists, everything is destroyed ...", and they are building KVP (albeit for export), developing new armored vehicles, developing their own missile, and anti-aircraft systems, the space industry is working, airplanes are being made, and new ones are being designed ... And if, in addition, there was such money as in Russia ...

[Vital 33]

In-in, this good is really a lot. Current and you hear that "all factories in Ukraine are plundered, there are no specialists, everything is destroyed ...", and they are building KVP (albeit for export), developing new armored vehicles, developing their own missile, and anti-aircraft systems, the space industry is working, airplanes are being made, and new ones are being designed ... And if, in addition, there was such money as in Russia ...

[zen1963]

Still, they build-and good things. They and armored personnel carriers are also good. Earlier, we wrote them off

[Ragnarek]

Well done, what can I say, it is evident that Ukraine’s military-industrial complex is more likely alive than dead. good luck in the future.

[sergius60]

Alive, he is alive. MODERNIZING SOVIET DEVELOPMENTS. Only now conduct basic research to create promising samples - bite it off. The scientific and technical base is really cut down at the root. And where did the relatively poor country get money for the work of the IMPERIAL class.

[gispanec]

yes let them build and as much as they consider necessary .... this is their purely personal matter !!! Ukraine is not Russia and it will not be, so like it or not, but in a sovereign state decisions are made without participation from outside!

[Kolya]

Ukraine did not build a ship on an air cushion, and prosrali technology in favor of China once again. China would have built a ship itself, which it will continue to do now.

[pinecone]

For some reason they did not show interest in the "warm-water" Mistrals.

[Lissyara]

Yes, the Russian Federation has any interest, except for the dough Serdyukov?
If you have one battalion of marines in each fleet?
The ship is designed to gain supremacy in Africa.
Plant a regiment of marines on it, put the Ka-52 into service, and smash a thread of Somalia or Nigeria to the shit.
Only our military doctrine is silent about this.
Shreds on the Mistral, but for us they will now be "unsinkable cargo".

[Vtel]

The highways under the French gays were developed clearly, they were to be taken out to the sea by helicopters and drowned there. The Chinese do not need it - their people are born in the usual - proven way.

[Skavron]

Now I’d like to make myself at least a couple of them.

[sergius60]

What for? Landing in the Straits? Two mouths. Cool, oh ...

[Lissyara]

Mistral for Ukraine?
Yeah Platoon of the Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet, 4 armored personnel carrier Well, as brothers to the Slavs we will give 8 Ka-52.
And who will you smash?

[Skavron]

Following similar logic, we can agree on the abolition of the landing as such ...
is not it?

[Lissyara]

Guys, I actually graduated from KVIRTU, who will be 60 years old.
Here they attacked the mamantenka.

[Mhpv]

Well, let's not spit bile in the first place in the direction of the enterprise and not Ukraine.In the conditions of the collapse of the economy and the sawing of other enterprises for scrap by the oligarchs, this can be treated at least with respect only for the fact that the management was able to preserve him and first of all, people) in working order. People are provided with work and therefore can live and not survive. Here they do not shout that Russia is interfering with them or, moreover, is trying to seize them, as in the article with An70. Everything is simple and clear here "EVERY GOOD IS YOURS CUSTOMER".
It’s hard for them to think about the future yet. Naturally, the Chinese will create a clone, not for nothing that two will be built in China, but Russia is also in a hurry to sell them Su35 without having the full amount and knowing how to end it.
With such a number of oligarchs with such stolen money from the country, Rossi could long ago afford to just buy Ukraine and not play these stock exchange political games.

[desiscia]

Start work means salary to workers. MIC is alive

[Dmitry 2246]

Four ships - reinforced SME.
Hello to the island neighbors of China, especially Taiwan.
Otherwise, why?

[svp67]

Quote: Dmitry 2246

Hello to the island neighbors of China, especially Taiwan.
Otherwise, why?

There is still Japan nearby, the island disputes ...

Quote: Dmitry 2246

Four ships - reinforced SME.

And given the speed of their movement, such an "express" will "move" these SMEs quickly and a lot ...

[silver_roman]

bliiiin ... stupid Ukrainian marketing - we’ll sell everything, just to cut the dough.
I sincerely hope that the Russian Federation will not leave this stupid deal alone. joint development, which means export must be agreed upon by both parties !!!
And so they have already given technology for the aircraft carrier, su-33 ... one sadness

[silver_roman]

ohhh, apparently the ukrainian brothers pulled themselves together, minus the little fingers, and the brains for the answer are not enough as usual.

[Alexander D.]

Dear, if you have not noticed, the Russian Federation is now curtailing all joint projects with Ukraine and generally trying to distance itself as much as possible from Ukraine. What do you expect to read the answer? He who wants to earn money cooperates and does not fool people, but he who wants to be the king of all, he nervously smokes aside while people make money. You just need to be more modest and be able to compromise for mutually beneficial cooperation!

[G_sl]

[quote = Hedgehog] [quote = Vladimir] .... after mooring at the home port, this ship will be copied, like everything that fell into the hands of the Chinese.
Read carefully - "Two more ships will be built in China with the participation of Ukrainian specialists using domestic components." WHY COPY?