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“Antelope” and “obsmetanenny” Anatoly Serdyukov acquire the status of the injured party?

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The Oboronservis case has recently accustomed Russians to the fact that more and more persons involved were found in it, fraud amounts were growing, new facts of selling those objects that were difficult for the Ministry of Defense to be called redundant. The snow "defense service" lump rolled down and at the same time noticeably added in size. And now, quite unexpectedly, this very lump suddenly sharply deviated from its original uncomplicated trajectory, jerking aside.


This impetus was given by the current head of the Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, to the investigation process. The Minister sent a letter to the Investigative Committee in which he asks the head of the RF IC Alexander Bastrykin to pay special attention to how the sale of the so-called 31 of the State Insurance Institute - 31 of the State Institute for Special Construction took place. The sale of the strategic object for the Ministry of Defense was the same Oboronservis, the top of which, according to Sergey Shoigu, misled the then head of the military department Anatoly Serdyukov.

In this regard, Shoigu asked the Investigation Committee to recognize the Ministry of Defense in this matter as the injured party, with a simultaneous seizure of 31 shares. At the same time, another acting representative of the main military department, Anatoly Shemet (deputy head of the department of claim and judicial law work of the Ministry of Defense) sent an appeal to the GVSU TFR, which calls for the collection of 277,16 million rubles from Evgenia Vasilyeva, Ekaterina Smetanova and Maxim Zakutailo in the case of the illegal sale of the specified military enterprise.

It is surprising that immediately after Minister Shoigu was addressed to Alexander Bastrykin, the Ministry of Defense itself was immediately declared the injured party.

It would seem that everything is correct - once the fraudulent scheme took place, then the perpetrators must be brought to justice and impose a "contribution" on them. However, this rather sharp turn in the Oboronservis case leads to other thoughts.

First, Sergey Shoigu’s own phrase that Anatoly Serdyukov (when he was at the helm of the main military department) “was misleading” looks rather dubious. Even if we take into account that Anatoly Eduardovich, God forgive me, had been singled, seduced and forcibly forced to err in the illegal sale of one of the numerous military enterprises sold by law, then how did the current defense minister become aware of this? He was silent if he knew about the "trouble" of his predecessors. Or did not know? Or the predecessor himself came to the current minister and asked: Sergei Kuzhugetovich, put in a word for me ... Or did Sergei Kuzhugetovich get a call on the “turntable” and ask him to put in the very same word for Anatoly Eduardovich? .. In general, you can guess for a long time, but weirdness in a rather unexpected statement by Sergei Shoigu about the misrepresentation of Serdyukov.

Secondly, if the Ministry of Defense is recognized as the injured party, then the main victim can also appear in it. Who is he? So it is known who. Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov himself. Well, at least, such a conclusion suggests itself from the words that it was he who was above the indicated three was misled: Smetanov and Zakutaylo were kept, and Yevgeny Vasilyev introduced this very mistake of the then minister ... Somehow. And if at least in one episode in the case of Oboronservis the former Minister of Defense changes the status of a witness to the status of a victim, then the end is the case, and who listened - well done ...

True, there are other episodes in the Oboronservis case, and not only Oboronservis, such as illegal sales of land in the Leningrad Region, fuel base on the Kola Peninsula, construction of roads and landscaping of dubious recreation facilities, and free receipt from the Anapa authorities of a land plot for the construction of a radar station with the subsequent (extremely unexpected) sale of this very site to out-of-the-ground counter companies, a scam with the repair of “military” VIP-class vehicles, an advertising campaign on “sales e untargeted property ”of the Defense Ministry in the mainstream media and the Internet, multi-million“ modernization ”of the website of the main military department, involvement of military personnel in non-core works and much, much more.

More recently, one of the episodes of defense property theft was delayed by another madam, namely, Mrs. Egorova, who managed to simultaneously occupy 4 at the same time leading positions in organizations affiliated with the same Oboronservis. At the same time, according to a number of Russian publications, headed by Irina Egorova, the company belonged to either Evgenia Vasilyeva or Valery Puzikova. This, obviously, is about the companies "Hydron" and "Vector-SPb". After the start of work, Yegorova as head of several companies, to their accounts, according to the version, the investigation, has flowed impressive amounts. Moreover, they flowed from the accounts of companies that were used by the former management of OAO Oboronservis itself to perform a certain type of work. The multistage intermediary scheme led to the fact that the budget of the Ministry of Defense missed 100 million rubles. Now, they decided to take Irina Egorova into custody, arresting him on suspicion of committing a crime under Article 159 (part 4) “Fraud on a large scale”.

Well ... The number of suspects is growing by leaps and bounds. It is to them that, apparently, they are to become the main plunderers of “socialist property” by a court decision. Feel that all the strictness of the Russian laws is called ... And this means that they can “thunder” for several years behind bars and Egorov and Smetanov and all the other birds of low flight, and, for example, Anatoly Serdyukov will be finally recognized as “debuted”, “cleared out” "And victims in all episodes of this" long-running "case.

It also draws attention to the fact that the amounts that are called as part of the episodes of the case, rapidly lose their zeros. A couple of months ago, it was dashing billions, and now - more and more millions. Accident? ..
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  1. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk April 18 2013 07: 57 New
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    Serdyuk’s creatures surrounded him, they deceived him so much that he shook off the houses of Rhodasvets without knowing what people are cruel to. Look at the people who are kind to this innocent face. (Idiocy, Lord, look at least a minute to Russia and put things in order.)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 08: 27 New
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      Quote: artist-mamluk
      Lord, stop by at least a moment in Russia and restore order.)

      I’m afraid, dear, if the Lord takes up the matter ........ it will become empty in the streets.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 18 2013 09: 29 New
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        The streets will not become empty, not all thieves in Russia! But Shoigu is from the same team that is dragging RUSSIA into the abyss !!! "Misled" excuses the accomplice !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 09: 49 New
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          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          On the streets will not be empty, not all thieves in Russia!

          Thieves aren't everything, but everyone has their own skeleton in the closet. The Lord will not sort
          1. valokordin
            valokordin April 18 2013 10: 27 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Thieves aren't everything, but everyone has their own skeleton in the closet. The Lord will not sort

            God, he will not sort God, since Saint Peter is standing on the gates for this, but the question is to A. Romanov, who I respect with great respect and who in Russia performs his functions, claiming that this is not 37 year, I would like it to be St. Joseph.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 11: 57 New
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              Quote: valokordin
              and who in Russia performs his functions, claiming that this is not 37 years old, I would like it to be Saint Joseph.

              Blasphemy is probably on my part, but how else can you answer ...... request There will be his will and at once all the "thunders" and "lightnings" will fall on Serdyukov's head. Mustache will sit hi
              1. Omich
                Omich April 18 2013 12: 16 New
                +9
                and so that I don’t burn from lightning to drive the ground to him, I don’t want to. I guess where lol
              2. kris
                kris April 18 2013 12: 37 New
                13
                the fish rots from the head !
                1. Orik
                  Orik April 18 2013 18: 22 New
                  +4
                  Soon another series for the people ... It is promised. hi
                2. Curculum
                  Curculum April 19 2013 02: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: kris
                  the fish rots from the head !

                  According to this, in ichthyology you are an expert, but why should the fish become like? After all, the reason for the rotting you indicated is the presence of gills, not brains, i.e. throw out enti gills, and the fish will begin to rot from the stomach.
              3. Kaa
                Kaa April 18 2013 15: 05 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Will be his will
                There will be ... there will be a barbecue of them. Yesterday, a video showing Pu fries officials even in Ukraine was shown. Envied. "09:55, Wednesday April 17th, 2013
                At a private meeting with ministers in Kalmykia, the president said he was inclined to dismiss the Cabinet of Ministers. Vladimir Putin, not embarrassed in expressions, criticized members of the government and regional leaders for their sluggishness in implementing the May decrees, in which his election promises are enshrined.
                The head of state stated that if the government and governors do not improve, they will have to part with them. The President reminded his subordinates that the May decrees should be under special control. They contain the election promises of the head of state - raising wages in the social sphere, eliminating queues in kindergartens or minimizing them, as well as relocating emergency housing. - This (execute orders. - Ed.) Must be done! - said the president. - If we do not, you will have to admit that either I work inefficiently, or you all work poorly and you need to leave! I draw your attention to the fact that today I am inclined to the second option! I think this is understandable. That there were no illusions.
                The meeting was attended by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, Head of the Ministry of Economic Development Andrei Belousov, Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, Head of the Ministry of Regional Development Igor Slyunyaev, General Director of the State Corporation Fund for Assistance to Reforming Housing and Communal Services Konstantin Tsitsin, General Director of the Federal Fund for Assistance to Housing Development Alexander Braverman, General Director of the Agency for Mortgage housing crediting Alexander Semenyaka, plenipotentiary Vladimir Ustinov, as well as the heads of the republics of Buryatia, Kalmykia and the governors of the Tula, Astrakhan regions, etc. http://lifenews.ru/news/112845
                THE PROCESS WAS GOING?
                1. sibircat
                  sibircat April 18 2013 16: 13 New
                  0
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kI7RJ3j3M4
                  Sands about Putin's statements.
                2. Orik
                  Orik April 18 2013 18: 20 New
                  +7
                  The process went on for a long time ... And yesterday this "leak" is especially for suckers, so that the baren is on guard. laughing
                3. Kaa
                  Kaa April 18 2013 19: 18 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Kaa
                  THE PROCESS WAS GOING?

                  No, well, I admire the people who soldered two minuses. Well, one is a troll with experience, he does not like boas, and the second positions himself as a patriot, and still not like that! Pu doesn’t do anything - shame on him, he began to do it - worse. Trollism blooms violently on the site. Now, at least explain what you are unhappy with, otherwise you hid like kids messing around, indiscriminately, without reading!
                  1. Rustiger
                    Rustiger April 18 2013 23: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kaa
                    No, well, I admire the people who soldered two minuses. Well, one is a troll with experience, he does not like boas, and the second positions himself as a patriot, and still not like that!

                    Then from you, as a modera, the list of names of "mine-popped". After all, you will agree, you and your ilk are in different weight categories with the rest of the forum participants. I mean the possibilities of IT technologies. Sorry, but I'll clarify a little. I am familiar with these very technologies firsthand, and was even warned in a harsh form by means of an angry letter to the mailbox, by one site administrator from a well-known educational (republican) portal, where I had the imprudence to "inherit" during a simple viewing of information, which I entered with the login of my wife-teacher. It was 2 years ago. Now I am mature and have replenished my knowledge base. First of all, not even in the methods of "attacking" the resource, but in the ability to "protect" and "cover up the tracks". I'm sure you understand. ... ...
                    I also remember about 4 !!! articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, about which I was "notified" by the above-mentioned administrator. I will not continue further, whoever needs it - he understood. ... ...
                    BUT WHY ME IT !!!!
                    Always read your posts with interest! And the "minus" above was not mine, but for the one under which I am writing now - mine. One of the few.
                    I do not like not just boas. I do not like all the hose-shaped creatures listed in biology textbooks in the reptile class. TO man with the nickname "Kaa" I had a desire to turn for a long time. But by name (I always, and only do this), and not otherwise.
                    And your question and my answer can be attributed to trolling, flooding, offtopic? My SECOND "bathhouse" on this site, last year "appeared as" TROLLING ", but in my opinion, it was caused by the fact that I spoke extremely impartially about the entire government, UNDER THE CONTROL OF PUTIN.
                    Then I used words that were not so "non-normative", well, not included in textbooks on the Russian language. Common slang from different walks of life. "Served" and "reformed". ... ... laughing
                    Quote: Kaa
                    Pu doesn’t do anything - shame on him, he began to do it - worse. Trollism blooms violently on the site. Now, at least explain what you are unhappy with, otherwise you hid like kids messing around, indiscriminately, without reading!

                    Well, it's not presenting to me. I can speak and answer for my words and deeds. You say ask specifically what you dislike about Pu and get both a bunch of "minuses" and a bunch of arguments.
                    / Regards, S. Vadim /

                    PS. Do you want, trample a post, I will find a way to publish. Ready to answer, but not in PM but in front of people.
                    PPS I am not a 100% fan of Mr. Pu, I work, I go to church, I don’t like yabreb, 75% Russian (by blood), wife, two boys, Sambo CCM, etc. etc. . . .
                    I am NOT a PATRIOT ???
                    1. YuDDP
                      YuDDP April 18 2013 23: 39 New
                      +1
                      Respected Rustiger, and for what purpose did you write this long message? I do not understand ...
                      Why are you forcing us to read your thoughts that are not relevant to the topic of the article?
                    2. Kaa
                      Kaa April 18 2013 23: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      Then from you, as a modera, the names of the "mine-popping"
                      A few posts are named below.
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      And the "minus" above was not mine, but for the one under which I am writing now - mine. One of the few.
                      I know.
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      I do not like not just boas. I do not like all the hose-shaped creatures listed in biology textbooks in the reptile class
                      Do not take everything so literally, I've never seen Russian tigers at all laughing
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      And your question and my answer can be attributed to trolling, flood, offtopic?
                      My naive desire is to reduce the site traffic, there are so many people in PM complain about this phenomenon
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      You say ask specifically what you dislike about Pu and get both a bunch of "minuses" and a bunch of arguments.
                      I share your views, especially since I am from another state.
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      I am not a 100% fan of Mr. Pu, I work, I go to church, I don’t like yabreb, 75% Russian (by blood), wife, two boys, Sambo CCM, etc. etc.
                      Glad for you, good luck to you and family
                      Quote: Rustiger
                      I am NOT a PATRIOT ???
                      I DO NOT KNOW!!!
              4. Cadet787
                Cadet787 April 19 2013 21: 58 New
                +1
                Hi Sasha! I believe that the supreme one in this case was not the last. God is their judge.
          2. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich April 18 2013 13: 49 New
            14
            Shoigu still has one skeleton: he managed to equip trash with weapons during the putsch.
            when I found out this was extremely surprised, but in the light of what is happening - this is quite natural.
        2. predator.3
          predator.3 April 18 2013 11: 42 New
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          It remains Tolyan to be counted among the saints and declare a procession!
          1. Normal
            Normal April 18 2013 20: 01 New
            +6
            Kaa
            No, well, I admire the people who soldered the two minuses.


            Really ?! Who dared ?! Oooo, trolls ... am
            Site visitors should know - Kaa doesn't like minuses, Kaa loves being called "Wise Kaa" laughing .

            Well, one is a troll with experience, he does not like boas, and the second positions himself as a patriot, and still not like that! Pu doesn’t do anything - shame on him, he began to do - even worse. Trollism blooms violently on the site


            All who disagree with the Kaa are trolls. Everyone knows that. Even if they consider themselves patriots, then all the same trolls, since they do not like Putin.
            By the way, Kaa, what did Putin "start to do" there? And then many here do not know.

            Explain at least, now what you are unhappy with, otherwise you hid like little children in a hurry, pass indiscriminately, without reading!


            But how can you explain if you bring opponents into emergency situations? To read this and that one must contrive. lol
            But emergency situations are not a panacea - "We see you Kaa", ... just not afraid. tongue laughing
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 18 2013 21: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: Normal
              Even if they consider themselves patriots

              Chickens in the fall are considered "patriots" - did not think about it. Chris, Patriot of Russia, Normal hi
              1. kris
                kris April 18 2013 21: 39 New
                +7
                Quote: Kaa
                Chickens in the fall are considered "patriots" - did not think about it.

                catch the response demotivator!
                and a few sneaky sayings, so that was where you seek!
                “A man who eats more than he needs is robbing the country and Putin in particular. Putin can do anything, but he cannot lose weight for a single person. ”
                Head of Rosmolodezh Vasily Yakemenko
                July 29 at the Seliger-2010 forum.
                “Putin and Medvedev are the super values ​​of our state.”
                Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Public Associations and Religious Organizations Sergey Markov
                1 March in an interview with "Power".
                “It was Putin who gave me the title and drew attention to me. I always admired him. I also like Medvedev: a fashionable, strong, charming leader who thinks about his state. In general, it is now very difficult to choose one of this beautiful tandem. If I had my will, I would appoint two. ”
                Singer Boris Moiseev
                5 July in an interview with "Power".
                “The fact that Putin calls me Lenya, I am certainly flattered, and the fact that I call him Vladimir Vladimirovich expresses my respect for him.”
                Actor Leonid Yarmolnik
                10 June in an interview with the newspaper Trud-7.
                “By the way, I am impressed with the image of Putin. When he was re-elected to the presidency, I went to Vykhino, where I have not lived for a long time, but I am still registered to vote for him. Outwardly, my Prime Minister is interesting to me. I would love to make a group in which Putin would be the frontman. "
                Producer Igor Matvienko
                28 January in an interview with the newspaper Izvestia
                “For me, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is the sexiest in a gray suit, I like it when he pauses between words. It’s fascinating. ”
                Singer Jeanne Friske
                28 September in an interview with Tochka.net.
                “I am sure that not only me - the vast majority of the inhabitants of Russia have every reason to ask God to bless you for everything that you have done and continue to do for the benefit of the Russians ... You do good to many people every day and hour, save hundreds and thousands of worlds ... And, as the traditional Jewish blessing says, live up to 120 years! ”
                Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar
                7 October in congratulations to Vladimir Putin.

                And for you personally:
                "Better to fall into poverty, starve or steal,
                Than the number of dishonored despicable to get.
                Better to swallow bones than to seduce sweets
                at the table with the scoundrels in power. "

                Omar Khayyam
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa April 18 2013 21: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: kris
                  and a few sneaky sayings, so that was where you seek!
                  "The monkeys often sat in circles in the hall of the king's council, scratched themselves, looking for fleas, and pretending to be people. Sometimes they ran into houses without roofs, then ran out of them, put pieces of plaster and old bricks somewhere in a corner, immediately forgot where they hid them, fought and shouted during fights, suddenly started games, rushing up and down rose bushes and orange trees swayed there on the terraces of the royal garden, amusing themselves with how flowers and fruits fell from them. They explored all the passages, all the dark corridors of the palace, many hundreds of its small shaded rooms, but did not remember that they saw what was missing. So, two and one by one or in crowds, the monkeys staggered, constantly assuring each other that they are holding perfectly like people. They drank in ponds, muddied the water and fought because of this, but now everyone was rushing off somewhere in a crowd, shouting: “There is no one in the jungle so smart, agile, strong and noble as the Bandar Log!” And it all started again, until they were bored by the city, and they returned to the tops of the trees in the hope that the population of the jungle would notice them.-Kipling Rudyard "The Jungle Book"
                  1. kris
                    kris April 18 2013 21: 59 New
                    +4
                    Personal demotivator for you!
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa April 18 2013 22: 14 New
                      +3
                      Quote: kris
                      Personal demotivator for you!
                      It pleases us. But this is not about me ... If they don’t do that, then ...
                2. Normal
                  Normal April 18 2013 22: 47 New
                  0
                  Kaa
                  Do not count your chickens before they are hatched

                  Well, "crawl out" into the light. What kind of emergency are you hiding and "hissing" from there? Fear not, you will not be bitten.
                  You are probably not from Kipling Kaa, and not from our movie. You are Kaa from the Disney cartoon
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa April 18 2013 23: 03 New
                    +1
                    Normal, I will hiss, and you will spread your ears, please. I brought you in an emergency because I am not interested in talking with you. At the same time, I have to look after you, because you sporadically disorderly about trifles, you need to document. You yourself got involved in a showdown that didn’t touch you on any side, and this is not the first time. On the site you show signs of litigation, which is a symptom of one unpleasant state. Forgive you for that. Enjoy Kaa’s complacent mood, do a couple more provocations , have fun to the best of your abilities and needs. Kaa is full today.
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 April 20 2013 04: 05 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Kaa
                      have fun to the best of your abilities and needs. Kaa is full today.

                      Well, it’s necessary to gobble up so that would be on such a FAT TROLLING! and zero attention recourse On a diet for a week wassat
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 20 2013 04: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Normal
              All who disagree with the Kaa are trolls.

              Mr. Normal hi I periodically bite this fat snake and I have never been called a troll request laughing
        3. Letun
          Letun April 18 2013 11: 42 New
          13
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          But Shoigu is from the same team that is dragging RUSSIA into the abyss !!! "Misled" excuses the accomplice !!!

          The raven will not peck out the crow ...
          1. Normal
            Normal April 19 2013 00: 58 New
            -1
            Kaa
            Well, well, I think it's time to explain.
            In order not to raise similar questions:
            Quote: YuDDP
            for what purpose did you write this long message? I do not understand ...
            Why are you making us read your mind

            I will say that I would love to sort things out in PM, and not in public. But my opponent brought me to the emergency and therefore there is no way to write to him in PM. Kaa also does not want to withdraw me from the emergency. I have no choice.
            And so, let's begin.
            Quote Kaa
            I introduced you to the emergency because I am not interested in talking to you.

            Not true. Rather, a half-truth that is worse than a lie. I ended up in your emergency after publicly pointing you to your flood. I think that one of the reasons that I’m in your emergency is the desire to hide the archive of your comments and not give the opportunity to quote from your posts as proof of my innocence.
            Quote from Kaa:
            At the same time, you have to keep an eye on, because sporadically you are disorderly about trifles, you need to document

            Maybe I'm a hooligan ... It happens. But on the little things. And you, so as not to be unfounded, present my hooliganism to the "city and the world". I wonder what you documented there. laughing Maybe everything is not as criminal as you think?
            Quote from Kaa:
            .In particular, today you yourself got involved in a showdown that didn’t concern you sideways, and this is not the first time

            You are one of the most odious supporters of GDP on the site. At the same time, as I understand it, you are not a citizen of Russia. Therefore, by promoting Putinism, you are interfering in the internal affairs of Russia. I am affected by any side of a showdown in the Russian echelons of power and I have the right to repulse interference from outside. It should not be your side that purely Russian problems should concern, but you express your point of view. Okay, you have the right. But blaming your opponents for trolling because you were given a minus is too much. Your opinion is not the ultimate truth.
            I have not seen commentators from Russia praising Yushchenko or Yanukovich on the site. Why do you consider yourself entitled to indicate to the citizens of Russia how they should relate to the Russian authorities?
            Quote from Kaa:
            On the site you show signs of litigation

            I show "signs of litigation" when I see signs of honoring, leasing, and putting on. Yes. “I’m harmful - I don’t deny it,” but I have the right to do so - I live in Russia. This is my country, not yours. When I speak about the top officials of Ukraine, then you will say that this does not concern me in any way.

            Further in your post there are no noteworthy statements.
            I hope that I will not have to talk to you anymore. Good luck. Kaa.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 20 2013 03: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Normal
              I will say that I would love to sort things out in PM, and not in public.

              In PM you are different what There you honestly admit that the rating interests you and therefore you behave so correctly repeat
              Quote: Normal
              Maybe I'm a bully ... It happens. But on the little things

              Cormorant he is cormorant request
              Quote: Normal
              "Signs of litigation" I show when I see signs of reverence, leasing and puting.

              I personally hoped that after the first general’s star you would grow wiser and hunger belay Not fused recourse wassat To fix?
              1. Normal
                Normal April 20 2013 09: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                In PM you are different

                So what's the deal? Let it withdraw from the emergency. Although, probably we have nothing to talk about.
                And the situation when the moderator is hiding behind an emergency, and he himself has the opportunity to see his opponent’s posts is not beautiful.
                Quote: Ruslan67
                There you honestly admit that the rating interests you

                And I did not publicly deny that the rating interests me. I don’t even hide that I'm interested in the rating of other commentators. Especially if this rating is inflated and earned with the help of flooding.

                Quote: Ruslan67
                Cormorant he is cormorant

                I read from the cormorant. You yourself offered to go through the posts and assess each other's "creativity". I refused because I do not consider you objective in this matter. But I can suggest you evaluate my and your posts in terms of content and semantic load. Considering that you have much more posts, there is much less discussion and meaning in them, and the percentage of flooding is huge, you can be called a cormorant, and twice.
                Quote: Ruslan67
                I personally hoped that after the first general’s star you would grow wiser and hunger

                Are you the moral leader and authority of the site to rate me?

                Quote: Ruslan67
                Not Fused Fix?

                Are you not afraid to lose YOUR rating? Or maybe you don't care? I doubt that you will go to the exchange, as it is not in your favor. All malicious stars can be lost for malicious minus.

                P / S I do not go to you, but everything is numb to you.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 April 20 2013 22: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Normal
                  Are you not afraid to lose YOUR rating? Or maybe you don't care?

                  Not afraid request And I don’t have a rating, it would be different every day I would scribble something hilarious
                  Quote: Normal
                  I don’t climb to you, but everything is numb to you.

                  If the posts are in the public domain and sometimes breaks through And in general, then we are all here for communication And not at all everyone likes It’s possible angry laughing
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 18 2013 16: 09 New
          -8
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          The streets will not become empty, not all thieves in Russia! But Shoigu is from the same team that is dragging RUSSIA into the abyss !!! "Misled" excuses the accomplice !!!


          And you yourself who otmazyvaesh? Sidish wrote here that everyone was wrong, like there was one balloon among prezes, etc. etc.

          Since such a clever one, say specifically what needs to be done with Serdyukov so that everything becomes at once the way ?!
          Or shut up the fountain already ...
          1. Patriot of Russia
            Patriot of Russia April 18 2013 19: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Geisenberg
            Type tyt here one balloon among prez, etc. etc.

            Quote: Geisenberg
            Or shut up the fountain already ...

            I have been watching this hamlo for a long time. all that he will not calm down and all the mud watered those who do not believe in the correctness of the course and infallibility of Pu. ordinary trolling. a lot of dirty words, info 0
            for information http://open-eyes-russia.com/video/viewvideo/186/---.html
            1. Dim Dim
              Dim Dim April 18 2013 21: 17 New
              +3
              With this link, you fell for a provocation, the fact is that the American State Department is going to shift its costs onto the shoulders of the residents of Russia. All computer trolling is still under the control of the CIA, it can be recalled that most of the servers used by the Russian Internet are located on another continent. Well, about our wonderful president and about his team, we must remember where he came from in big politics, who brought him, and as you know, "an apple is not far from an apple tree ...". So a thinking person can independently draw conclusions why there are untouchable persons in the country.
              1. Patriot of Russia
                Patriot of Russia April 18 2013 22: 07 New
                +2
                DimDim, soglsen. very tired on the normal site of such objects, forming the illusion of the majority and pouring dissent on the mud. fighting them as i can smile
            2. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg April 18 2013 22: 56 New
              -5
              Quote: Patriot of Russia
              I have been watching this hamlo for a long time. all that he will not calm down and all the mud watered those who do not believe in the correctness of the course and infallibility of Pu.


              With such a nickname and one strip for a long time to watch ?? What else are you complaining about?

              Actually, I don’t care what’s on GDP, what on Kuzhugetych. I don’t like the treachery.
              1. Patriot of Russia
                Patriot of Russia April 18 2013 23: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Geisenberg
                With such a nickname and one strip for a long time to watch?

                father, look at the registration date, I appeared here a year earlier than you, and the pagons))) ... it depends on who is here for what
                Quote: Geisenberg
                I don’t like the treachery.

                and yours 700 against my 100 comments. Do you have any questions about rappers?
                1. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg April 18 2013 23: 33 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Patriot of Russia
                  and yours 700 against my 100 comments. Do you have any questions about rappers?


                  ... well, that’s understandable - as you can say nothing about the case.

                  Yes, the question remains - what do you, the trepakers, get paid?
        5. SlavakharitonoV
          SlavakharitonoV April 18 2013 20: 58 New
          +2
          Just Serdyukov knows too much. They will agree with him and end on this, as always, in general
        6. alexdol
          alexdol April 18 2013 21: 32 New
          +3
          SASCHAmIXEEW (2) RU "Shoigu from the same team that dragged RUSSIA into the abyss !!!"
          -------------------------------------------
          Very similar to that! Suffice it to recall the recent appointment of a certain Maria Kitaeva to the post of adviser to the Minister of Defense ?! She has two entities, not one of them has any relation to military affairs, but the first one I remember better: she is an ARTIST with us !!! And after all, no one said anything about this ...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 18 2013 11: 11 New
        19
        Shoigu is handsome, one team a raven will not peck out a crow
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel April 18 2013 11: 21 New
          +6
          Yes!!! It is necessary to elevate to the rank of an epic hero and establish an obelisk at the main entrance to the Moscow Region. Let everyone who comes in prostrate themselves before the most honest of the most honest, decent of the decent, gullible of the gullible, sanctified by the devil a scoundrel in law.
          1. amber-50
            amber-50 April 18 2013 12: 15 New
            +9
            Better as in China, to shoot in the central square.
            1. SSR
              SSR April 18 2013 17: 55 New
              0
              Quote: amber-50
              Better as in China, to shoot in the central square.

              here everyone says like in China .. shootings like in China ...
              Corruption in China is practically the only problem that even the Communist Party itself admits. The numbers in this area, as well as any numbers from China, are impressive. Particularly stands out with what intensity the officials are trying to take out of the PRC the most expensive thing they have - their families and capital.

              For several decades, the ruling regime in the PRC "resolutely and fiercely" has been fighting this destructive phenomenon. It is widely promoted by Chinese media in the country and abroad. As a result, many, particularly in Russia, are even jealous of the Chinese that they have such a strict government and laws that are unscrupulous to government officials, and that they spare even the most senior and influential "servants of the people."

              However, paradoxically, over the years, despite the shootings and life imprisonment of officials who dared to covet the state treasury and use their position for personal purposes, corruption in China not only did not diminish, but also grew to such an extent that the party was already openly calls her a threat to her power.

              http://www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/67264/4/
              On Chinese television, public executions of officials are occasionally shown. A bribe or theft of more than a million dollars is the death penalty. These days, the topic of conversation in the Middle Kingdom was recently published figures. Since 2000, about 10 thousand officials were shot in China for corruption, another 120 thousand received 10-20 years in prison.

              http://www.rg.ru/2009/06/25/korrupcia.html
              Looks still this is not the point .. not the punishment .. but in the people themselves .. in their culture and education .. and in general it has long been proved .. that people with high IQ do not seek power and there are no such ambitions .. although why am I sobsna.
              A negative side effect of economic reforms, according to Chinese scholars, is the process of "capitalizing power", that is, the transformation of an official position into capital that brings dividends. Instead of playing the role of judges monitoring the observance of the rules of the game on the market field, officials sometimes appropriate the functions of players.
        2. ars_pro
          ars_pro April 18 2013 14: 51 New
          +4
          By God "santa barbara" or better yet "The rich also cry" an unexpected turn of events, I look forward to continuing ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 18 2013 21: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: ars_pro
            By God "santa barbara" or better yet "The rich also cry" an unexpected turn of events, I look forward to continuing ...

            That's for sure !!, especially in terms of collecting 277,16 million rubles from Evgenia Vasilieva, Ekaterina Smetanova and Maxim Zakutailo in the case of the illegal sale of a military enterprise.
            This "Brigade" has privatized a couple of three billions in total and is eager to pay off all debts !!!
            We have NO confiscation and after 5-6 years they will all boldly move to 20 bedroom cottages on Rublevsky highway !!
          2. vadson
            vadson April 18 2013 23: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: ars_pro
            By God "santa barbara" or better yet "The rich also cry" an unexpected turn of events, I look forward to continuing ...

            right now, she will get pregnant from the investigators, give birth, and until child 14 is executed he will not be planted,
            how do you like this turn of the series?
            1. Jarilo
              Jarilo April 20 2013 23: 05 New
              0
              Quote: vadson

              right now, she will get pregnant from the investigators, give birth, and until child 14 is executed he will not be planted,
              how do you like this turn of the series?

              Yes, it’s a completely Russian version, very believable (it was already like that) laughing
              Just do not understand why such a series, many ordinary citizens are satisfied ?? All sorts of excuses are found ...... they say if you transplant everyone, then there will be no one to work, etc. ((
            2. gauche
              gauche April 25 2013 04: 36 New
              0
              It’s important how it will pass by maternal capital fellow
        3. tttttt
          tttttt April 18 2013 20: 25 New
          +4
          Shoigu is an ardent follower of the ideas of Baron von Ungern, his personality is ambiguous, his biography is muddy, his ascent to the capital under Yeltsin is political and criminal, he is a builder by profession and secret dedication (masson). There is Jewish blood. I doubt that this breast will become for a Russian man, rather, on the contrary, Russian blood does not matter to him. For a very minor reason, I was recently in London. It’s strange somehow for the Minister of Defense to leave, even if with diplomatic escort to the main enemy in the den, is not it? Given the very recent appointment, it is very similar to the bride. And in another tune began to blow about Serdyukov after the trip. This is strange. No, I do not believe in Shoigu.
      3. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver April 18 2013 13: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: artist-mamluk
        Lord, stop by at least a moment in Russia and restore order.)

        I’m afraid, dear, if the Lord takes up the matter ........ it will become empty in the streets.

        The streets are unlikely to be empty, but the Kremlin is easy.
      4. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB April 19 2013 07: 38 New
        +2
        And whoever sinless, let him throw a stone at me, the whole point is the gravity of sin, and treason against my country is the most serious sin in my opinion, and it was stolen on a particularly large scale, so I must proceed to the wall, and if he (the stool) is injured, then Nothing can save Russia from a new bloodthirst, revolution is felts, or war, a country with such terrible lawlessness is a tidbit.
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      Lord, stop by at least a moment in Russia and restore order.)

      "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself!"
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz April 18 2013 10: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself!"

        Well, some do not cry.
        1. Letun
          Letun April 18 2013 11: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: andrejwz
          Well, some do not cry.

          good lol
    3. vadimus
      vadimus April 18 2013 09: 46 New
      14
      To count such as traitors to the motherland!
      1. dany
        dany April 18 2013 10: 01 New
        24
        Yes, they won’t put him on a stake, but after his visits to the cadet corps of St. Petersburg there were such sales of buildings for all sorts of offices that the amount that he shows to him is simply ridiculous !!!
        COMRADES OFFICERS, PATRIOTS, MANY OF YOU WERE WITNESSES OF THESE ABNOSES OF SERDYUKOV DIRECTLY COMBINE YOUR EFFORTS AND TAKE THIS CATTLE !!!
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 10: 21 New
          12
          how to unite, won Kvachkov united like-minded people, what is the result? They gave more than corrupt Moscow prosecutors. They almost accused Yeltsin of soldering!
          We must act independently and quietly, bye!
          1. Jarilo
            Jarilo April 20 2013 23: 12 New
            0
            By the way, yes. You're right!
          2. Jarilo
            Jarilo April 20 2013 23: 17 New
            0
            By the way, yes. You're right!
        2. valokordin
          valokordin April 18 2013 10: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: dany
          COMRADES OFFICERS, PATRIOTS, MANY OF YOU WERE WITNESSES OF THESE ABNOSES OF SERDYUKOV DIRECTLY COMBINE YOUR EFFORTS AND TAKE THIS CATTLE !!!

          To whom to hand over, who will accept it? it's not 37 years old, the CIA and BMD can hand it over for a nominal fee: 1 rub, 1 euro, or maybe in Pyongyang on juche.
          1. INTER
            INTER April 18 2013 10: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: valokordin
            To whom to hand over, who will accept it? it's not 37 years old, the CIA and BMD can hand it over for a nominal fee: 1 rub, 1 euro, or maybe in Pyongyang on juche.

            They will accept him with great pleasure. Do you know, why)
      2. taseka
        taseka April 18 2013 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: vadimus
        To count such as traitors to the motherland!

        The muddy and fetid streams of theft are now sweeping Russia in a wave! But the hour of reckoning is not near to people, but where the blat will not help !!! And to sit all these reptiles and traitors booty in a hot pan - forever !!! What is Xnumx years in luxury?
    4. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 18 2013 09: 55 New
      0
      Serdyukov was set up by the Americans laughing

    5. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 18 2013 09: 59 New
      22
      Golden words good good classic:

      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 18 2013 10: 41 New
        -13
        Quote: Nevsky
        Golden words

        the title can be changed in the profile of the person who posted the video, do you agree? there are settings. here for such videos in some countries they put in jail. nothing, I hope these Internet fighters also reach in the future.
        I’ll honestly and frankly say that I want Navalny to be planted. You can’t imagine how I want this, about how much you all crave for Serdyukov’s landing, I also crave for bulk landing.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS April 18 2013 12: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          I want to be imprisoned by Navalny. You have no idea how I want it,

          You are not alone in your desire. I also want to see this smug mug behind bars. Guardian, b ... b, for the fate of the people ...
      2. Combitor
        Combitor April 19 2013 07: 15 New
        0
        The mouth of an antibiotic speaks truth. But here's how to get there and how to pick up these 3,14rov and their Fuhrer - the main 3,14ra?
    6. redwar6
      redwar6 April 18 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      My hands are already shaking, how much has he stolen? HOW MUCH? Well, put him in, we’ll get to the second revolution .. God forbid ..
    7. kris
      kris April 18 2013 12: 10 New
      10
      The Kremlin, ruble, etc. will be empty!
      1. sibircat
        sibircat April 18 2013 15: 07 New
        +5
        Michael! You are careful in choosing metaphors. It’s up there, not 37 years old, but mutual responsibility. They have not written the law. And to us mere mortals ...
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 18 2013 18: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: kris
        The Kremlin, ruble, etc. will be empty!

        Yeah! there in the Kremlin the ghost of Lenin is already wandering ... People have seen! But if also the ghost of Stalin and Dzerzhinsky appears .... Tady extinguish the light! laughing
        1. Orik
          Orik April 18 2013 18: 27 New
          +4
          Better Stalin himself.
    8. nycsson
      nycsson April 18 2013 21: 20 New
      0
      Interesting video.......
    9. Combitor
      Combitor April 18 2013 23: 35 New
      0
      Q.E.D. Serdyukov - white and fluffy. Vile and insidious subordinates led him astray, and he, without looking, signed all the papers. Then doubts arise about his professional suitability as a leader and the professional suitability of the Fuhrer, who asserted him to this position. In general, from all this it carries such rotten meat that it becomes unbearable. Putinoids are trying, as they can, to pull Serdyukov out of shit, it seems that they are starting to succeed. Only all of this wallpaper..codla, crawling out of the heap of gov ... on, will still remain obroz ... anna.
    10. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 19 2013 01: 11 New
      0
      He’s a lawyer by training. Such a vile profession, pah.
  2. fenix57
    fenix57 April 18 2013 08: 00 New
    46
    Well, according to PUSHKIN ALEXANDER SERGEEVICH: "THERE IS NO TRUTH ON THE EARTH, BUT THERE IS NO ABOVE". No words .... curtain .... request
    1. TRex
      TRex April 18 2013 08: 23 New
      +6
      Why haven’t a bracelet on his paw been screwed yet? Trust?
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 18 2013 08: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: TRex
        Why haven’t they yet screwed a bracelet on his paw? Trust?

        Because he was, is and will be in the status of a witness.
        1. mark021105
          mark021105 April 18 2013 15: 35 New
          -2
          He is specially kept in a "suspended state".
          IMHO:
          In the course of the investigation, various intricacies are untwisted. It is no coincidence that more and more people appear, after a certain time, sooner or later there will be those who will hand over everyone with giblets. And the more there are of them, the stronger the web will be for the main person involved. If it is closed now, the case will fall apart very quickly in court. With his lawyers. Therefore, I think they are doing the right thing, that they are not in a hurry ... Let them get more shit, yes, "in a better way."
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 18 2013 22: 03 New
            0
            Quote: mark021105
            Let them shit more

            And everything will happen like this --- they’ll dig so much on Serdyukov that his poor heart cannot stand it and he will die from the pangs of conscience or from a sudden heart attack ...
          2. Jarilo
            Jarilo April 20 2013 23: 31 New
            0
            Quote: mark021105
            Let them get more shit, but "better".

            Ek you enough wink Then he will be able to tell a lot of interesting things about the "celestials". They will not allow this. But as a witness, slandered and framed by thieving subordinates, innocence itself and an effective manager .... yes! Watch on country screens!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 08: 30 New
        17
        Quote: TRex
        Why haven’t they yet screwed a bracelet on his paw? Trust?

        If they didn’t trust him, they wouldn’t do it. His man wink -checked, his will not give up.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 18 2013 09: 36 New
          14
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If they didn’t trust him, they wouldn’t do it. A man of his own-checked, his will not give up.


          Is he so gullible, recruited, misled, warmed-robbed or picked-warmed up?

      3. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY April 18 2013 15: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: TRex
        Why haven’t a bracelet on his paw been screwed yet? Trust?

        On such a shaggy paw, all the bracelets are small. In general, what kind of bracelets are on the pitchfork bare booty am
        1. Orik
          Orik April 18 2013 18: 32 New
          +2
          A neck bracelet made of rope, there are all sizes ... wink
        2. Garrin
          Garrin April 18 2013 21: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: BIGLESHIY
          In general, what kind of bracelets are on a pitchfork bare booty

          Is it possible that Serdyukov can be called a booty? ZH O P A - it will be more accurate. And it turns out as if his face could be called a face.
    2. Orik
      Orik April 18 2013 18: 31 New
      +1
      Shame, the story with the heart resembles a farce, but do not lay out liberal campaigns connecting him and the Church. You are spoiling the history of your people! Take it away.
  3. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol April 18 2013 08: 01 New
    29
    If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 18 2013 08: 50 New
      15
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

      And Kuzhugetovich will lose - but he started so well, really did he jinx it. what Symptoms are all bad - and billions are already millions, and the change of status from a witness to a victim, not a defendantnegative.
      1. UFO
        UFO April 18 2013 09: 15 New
        10
        He will also be compensated as a "victim" !!! tongue
        1. KILLAvolt
          KILLAvolt April 18 2013 09: 31 New
          +4
          Yeah, those same 277 million !!!
      2. Dejavu
        Dejavu April 18 2013 09: 19 New
        +4
        Soon you will look and the Tubaret will be returned to their place, and they will set Seryoga to steer the space. / facepalm
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: dejavu
          and Seryoga will be steered in space


          Nope, right now, the most unloved Lebanon, here Shoigu will be the new Minister of Education, as you know, "this topic is close to him" (cit. GDP)
      3. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt April 18 2013 09: 30 New
        +3
        It looks like SOMEONE who really steers in Russia asked Sergey to write such a letter. I think Kuzhugedovich is a normal man, but you can’t argue against ANYONE. Firmly, stsuka, holds everyone by the balls! what
      4. Egoza
        Egoza April 18 2013 10: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: Ghen75
        And Kuzhugetovich will lose - but he started so well, have he really jinxed

        Yes, they did not jinx it, but ORDERED! Is it really incomprehensible? "And where should the peasant go?" The choice is not great. Will get into a "pose" - removed, as not justified the trust. And you can spit and continue to correct the "reforms". Where is the guarantee that instead of Shoigu they will put a person who will correct these reforms in the future? Or continue? Oh, oh!
      5. vadimN
        vadimN April 18 2013 10: 16 New
        19
        Quote: Ghen75
        And Kuzhugetovich will lose - but he started so well, really did he jinx it.


        Sane people initially had no illusions about Kuzhugetich ... He is just one of the figures of the same clip. And his words about the "deceived" Serdyukov are clear evidence that he is on the same team under the leadership of Putin. And this team does not work for Russia.
      6. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 18 2013 14: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Ghen75
        Quote: d1m1drol
        If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

        And Kuzhugetovich will lose - but he started so well, really did he jinx it. what Symptoms are all bad - and billions are already millions, and the change of status from a witness to a victim, not a defendantnegative.

        In my opinion it’s too early to write Shoigu as Serdyukov’s defenders, understand official on paper, he could not write otherwise until they found the stolen money from the "stool" and proved the fact Directparticipation, i.e. the initiation of criminal schemes by him, he formally clean, I hope they’ll get to the bottom of it anyway, our trackers can dig, but you have to dig manually and very deeply, do not expect quick results, be patient.
        Until the case is closed and the surname is public, there is hope for a landing. am
    2. SCS
      SCS April 18 2013 08: 54 New
      17
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

      And not only the military, but everyone who lives to think, and not just eat .....
      1. d1m1drol
        d1m1drol April 18 2013 09: 17 New
        +3
        I agree completely
    3. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 18 2013 09: 17 New
      +9
      There is a choice for power. If they don’t imprison, they will lose support (although this is some kind of unconvincing argument), they will imprison this comrade, who is not at all comrade to us, how much he can tell and pull for himself.
      A shoigu minus negative
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 46 New
        +4
        How can I put a Witness? And especially the victim ???
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 18 2013 10: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: kostella85
          And especially the victim ???

          In general, a person, coming to a place of work, especially this, must figure out all the details. And since he was "misled" - it means that he did not fit this position at all. And who is his doctor?
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 48 New
            +6
            This Serdyukov did not understand in all details fellow He just figured it out very well, and he understands people very well: neither Makarov, nor Vasiliev, nor his other "fighting friends and girlfriends" betrayed him !!!
    4. Manager
      Manager April 18 2013 09: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!


      Yes, and ordinary people.
      1. Orik
        Orik April 18 2013 18: 37 New
        +2
        Do not worry about Putin, he will hang another carrot to ordinary people and throw noodles on his ears.
    5. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 22 New
      12
      Yes, they lay down on the military, the events of the Emergency Committee showed that there is no hope for the military. The army is part of the people. In 93, some "tankmen" were paid well and they happily shot the Supreme Council. For this there is the "Semenovsky" regiment.
    6. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

      They will also build a system for elections of power. Have you forgotten how this is done?
    7. kostella85
      kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 40 New
      +4
      The authorities lost their support to the military, when MO Taburetkin headed, right now Shoigu, who was being taken away by everyone, was given to a child like a candy so that he would not cry before the injection ...

      PS Immediately after the removal of Taburetkin, some (I, too) spoke out that things would not go beyond the pre-trial detention center and conditional terms, how many minuses ........
    8. Karabin
      Karabin April 18 2013 09: 53 New
      11
      Quote: d1m1drol
      then the government will lose the support of the military

      But are the military in our country united and represent a single force capable of influencing power? In my opinion, the same fragmented loose mass as the rest of the people. An example with the landing of Kvachkov and Khabarov shows that the authorities are not particularly shy of the military. So I’m free to walk. One thing is inconvenient for him, it comes to be distracted by giving stupid testimonies.
    9. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 18 2013 09: 58 New
      11
      Quote: d1m1drol
      then the government will lose the support of the military


      Will not lose. While. He, an iPhone, a red-haired Lebanon, nanotolia, and others are kept like sheep for the slaughter. They will push gradually, with a pull. When the authorities make decisions that are unpopular among the people and the rating goes down, then someone will surely be sacrificed. And the people will howl in ecstasy of jubilation. Well, of course, Putin "finally undertook to restore order" Ur-ra-ra-raa !!! And under the guise of something there they will be dragged through the State Department and through the Preza.
      One example. On April 4, the first part of the juvenile laws was dragged through. In a rat-like manner, in a hurry! How many has heard anything on the news? So that . ... ... There are dozens of such cases. Apparently something is being prepared, well, sooo serious, then you will need "fart".
    10. matross
      matross April 18 2013 11: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military

      Power will lose all support at all! Serdyukov is now in the position of the indicator - we will see him behind bars, green light is our power, we will not see it - red, stop, they are not taking us there !!
    11. sibircat
      sibircat April 18 2013 15: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military.

      I rested in the summer of 2008, with my daughter in Yalta in the military sanatorium of the KChF, I met an old friend there, he was serving in the General Staff of the Russian Federation at that time, his words:
      "The Serdyukov reforms will not be completed until the last officer who swore allegiance to the USSR is dismissed from the Armed Forces."
      The siloviki were fed with money, they sent the patriots to the reserve. So, in my opinion, one should not rely on the loyalty of the existing military.
      Serdyukov acted with the knowledge and connivance of the president.
      They just wanted to transfer him quietly to a calmer and less public work, as they did with Chubais.
      However, the public perceived the resignation of the minister as a signal for a real fight against lawlessness.
      Now everyone has been made clear to everyone, including Medvedev in the Duma:
      "We don't care what society and people think about our actions. We have done and will do whatever we want. We are one team, and your opinion is an empty phrase for us!"
    12. Orik
      Orik April 18 2013 18: 34 New
      0
      Oh oh You are reading this site, most of the military are here, and for most of Pu, a great and terrible leader.
    13. Strategy
      Strategy April 18 2013 18: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military.

      What kind of military? Those who looked in ... for Serdyukov's bonuses? After all, Shoigu replied to the tearful complaints of the generals: "Where were you, why were you silent?" There was no answer to the question. Shoigu is well aware of what these "military" are worth. That is why, probably, he "extended a helping hand" to his predecessor ... Can you imagine for a moment if Serdyukov and Makarov are returning to their posts belay
  4. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 18 2013 08: 02 New
    13
    As they say, the rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. Really Shoigu insures himself in case he is "misled". We, ordinary people, are simply surprised by this. How simple it is: out of billions it turns out to be very easy to get millions of wasted public money. A question from a famous film: "At whose expense is this banquet?"
  5. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 18 2013 08: 05 New
    +7
    The author is sorry for the expression full eb..n. According to the rules of criminal proceedings, there should always be a victim, in this case a legal entity - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Shoigu leads it, which means he will be the REPRESENTATIVE of the VICTIM. What does Serdyuk have to do with it?
    The investigation did not end, that's when the case will be brought to court, and it will become clear who in the case who. The charge can be brought immediately before the transfer of the case. But no, we immediately begin to discuss, decide and condemn
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 08: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Shoigu leads it, which means he will be the REPRESENTATIVE of the VICTIM. What does Serdyuk have to do with it?

      So this is not about this day, but about the affairs of the time when Serdyukov headed the department. We have such a Criminal Code that you can twirl like a woman on .... hi
    2. matross
      matross April 18 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      The author is sorry for the expression full eb..n. According to the rules of criminal proceedings, there should always be a victim, in this case a legal entity - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Shoigu leads it, which means he will be the REPRESENTATIVE of the VICTIM. What does Serdyuk have to do with it?

      Victims will not be legal. person, and the state
    3. Volodin
      April 18 2013 12: 28 New
      +1
      Thanks for the "fuck" dear Ragnarek! From now on I will evaluate your comments with a similar level of "culture".
      Ragnarek:
      The investigation is not over, but when the case is brought to the court, everything will become clear who is in the case.
      .
      Well, and who is after this here, forgive my God, fucked .. n
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 18 2013 12: 52 New
        +3
        Do not be angry, and do not be offended. You are quite an adequate author and you should not stoop to the level of a "comrade". Consider his opinion a compliment to your creation, since it has generated such a riot of comments. And keep creating, I am happy to read your articles, although on some issues our positions do not coincide. I wish you success.
        1. Volodin
          April 18 2013 19: 44 New
          +3
          Thank you, Alexander! Different opinions - this is great, but one opinion for all - this is already somehow strange. I am glad that there are a lot of thinking people on our site.
  6. awg75
    awg75 April 18 2013 08: 07 New
    +7
    if the government doesn’t imprison the stool, then I will no longer vote for it ...
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik April 18 2013 08: 38 New
      0
      Quote: awg75
      if the government doesn’t imprison Taburetkin, I will no longer vote for it ..
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius April 18 2013 08: 59 New
      +6
      Did you vote for her ?! belay This is n ... c.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 18 2013 09: 11 New
        27
        They are touched by naive people who prove that Putin is a good and caring king and which thieving and evil officials surround him. And he, as a warrior of light, has been fighting them for a third time and will not win. But he will definitely win. Therefore, we are running to vote for him. After all, good always conquers evil. True, only in fairy tales.
        Taburetkin will soon begin to pay compensation. For moral damage and other inconvenience. Poor-poor minister. He was simply misled! And he, as a cadet of the 6 course, was inexperienced, green, and much was forgiven to him. A curtain.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 52 New
          16
          No, Serdyukov will soon head the National Anti-Corruption Committee as the most affected by corruption !!!
          1. Vrungel78
            Vrungel78 April 18 2013 12: 01 New
            +3
            Or become an assistant (adviser) to the pres, which is more likely
            1. kostella85
              kostella85 April 18 2013 12: 03 New
              +3
              Well, that position will be found - 100 pounds
          2. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr April 18 2013 15: 55 New
            +1
            It is logical! .. But you don’t need to talk about it loudly. Suddenly they will hear and really will do it. The whole world will laugh. The more you steal, the more victims will be made. We cannot understand Russia with our minds ... Soon, all Western thieves will come running to us and request Russian citizenship ... LIVING ...
        2. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 10: 53 New
          +9
          By his actions, he exactly resembles "Nicholas 2"! He also dearly loves his homeland, is educated, speaks beautifully, but does not want to notice the traitors and thieves around him. There is no shooting of peaceful demonstrations YET, but the terms for dissidents are significant. I hope to live and participate in the end of the "reign"
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: Iraclius
        Did you vote for her ?! This is n ... c.


        So who is these 53 percent, at least one - man, admitted !!!
      3. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 18 2013 10: 16 New
        +8
        Will my "plus" be the only one?
        This is pichal. . . More precisely, it is P.Z..ts. . .

        Since we are so ecstatic with every news from the military-industrial complex.
        I am also from this number, and also sincerely happy with the GOOD news !!!
        BUT!!!
        Look here - http://admin.liga-net.com/my/analytics/politics/antiputin.html.
        This was done and is being done under the CURRENT AUTHORITY AND THE PRESIDENT, AS MUCH MORE, THAT REMAINS IN THE SHADOW !!!

        This is the deck of the desperate torpedo destroyer Desperate. The beginning of the end was laid in 2003. Near the same brother in misfortune. . .
        live cut
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 18 2013 22: 04 New
        -2
        Quote: Iraclius
        Did you vote for her ?! This is n ... c.

        We need to support our president, although not everything happens as we would like, if the president loses the support of the majority, then he certainly will not be able to do anything.
        NGOs and others do not just get billions from abroad, and they work them out creating various kinds of political situations.
    3. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 30 New
      +7
      Quote: awg75
      if the government doesn’t imprison the stool, then I will no longer vote for it ...

      It's too late my friend, alas late. Starting with Yeltsin, the government has been voting for itself, guess how? For 20 years of the existence of "renewed" Russia, only the GDP won the elections honestly, and then with the subscripts: "He who dances a girl pays." The CEC is a structure of power, and no one wants to lose a high-paying job if the government loses. THEREFORE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR VOTING, THE POWER WILL ALWAYS WIN.
      1. vadimN
        vadimN April 18 2013 10: 22 New
        14
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        Quote: awg75
        if the government doesn’t imprison the stool, then I will no longer vote for it ...


        Ha Ha ... And many have decided so ... and many will not go to vote ... And nothing will change from that.
        Anecdote to the topic you want:
        Comrade Putin comes after the election. Churov and says:
        - VV, I have two news for you. Good and bad.
        “Well, start with the bad.”
        - Nobody in the country voted for you.
        - Well, and good?
        “You won the election again!”
        1. Mikado
          Mikado April 18 2013 12: 16 New
          +3
          Many, just decided that "nothing will change from this" and did not vote, and their votes were attributed to you, you know who,
          1. awg75
            awg75 April 18 2013 12: 58 New
            +3
            you know, I probably live on Mars but 90 percent of the people around me voted for Putin ..... this is really so
            1. BIGLESHIY
              BIGLESHIY April 18 2013 16: 37 New
              -3
              Quote: awg75
              you know, I probably live on Mars but 90 percent of the people around me voted for Putin ..... this is really so

              You know, you really live on Mars because 90% of the people around you voted against Putin!
            2. Fornit
              Fornit April 18 2013 18: 57 New
              +2
              It's unlikely ... They were afraid to say it out loud ...
  7. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2013 08: 08 New
    +8
    Firstly, the phrase by Sergei Shoigu that Anatoly Serdyukov (when he was at the helm of the main military department) “is misleading”


    Eh, how "good" it started and how "x negative in "continues
    1. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek April 18 2013 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Firstly, the phrase by Sergei Shoigu that Anatoly Serdyukov (when he was at the helm of the main military department) “is misleading”


      Eh, how "good" it started and how "x negative in "continues

      Shoigu is a public man, what should he say Serdyuk stole (before the indictment)? Head then think. And my heart is also not a boy with a checkpoint to indict him and then dismantle the jambs, I believe the indictment will be brought against him towards the end of the investigation, as a whole, so to speak
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Ragnarek
        I believe the charge will be brought against him towards the end of the investigation, as a whole, so to speak


        They will show it in 2,5 years, and there: please, the procedural terms ........ request
      2. vadimN
        vadimN April 18 2013 10: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Ragnarek
        I believe the charge will be brought against him towards the end of the investigation, as a whole, so to speak


        They will not show anything to him. In the same way as the case of the Moscow Region prosecutors, they will purr, pat them ... and let them go on all four sides. The system does not give up. Glory to Putin, the creator and builder of a modern state management system!
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 50 New
          +1
          About prosecutors took off the tongue !!! ++++++
      3. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 18 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Ragnarek
        Shoigu is a public man, what should he say Serdyuk stole (before the indictment)?

        Well, DAM after all guessed to blurt out that the money in the banks of Cyprus was looted fool and the whole prime minister
  8. Lissyara
    Lissyara April 18 2013 08: 08 New
    +9
    Tired of repeating.
    Well, why is there no наავრენტი პავლეს ძე ბერია on Feldmable (and in Russian is Laurence Palycha)?
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 34 New
      +4
      And where to take it, in his the power of strangers is not allowed to cohort and своих no offense!
  9. Apollo
    Apollo April 18 2013 08: 09 New
    16
    I read the article and a good Russian proverb came to mind - "strike while the iron is hot" So I am more inclined to think that the more time passes, the more reason I have to think that Serdyukov (instead of him, the bunks will be heated by others) will come out dry out of the water, well, they'll let them down on the brakes.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 18 2013 08: 48 New
      20
      Quote: awg75
      if the power of the stool won't put then I will no longer vote for her ...

      And if he does, then - will you? ... It's funny ...

      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then power will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

      Do not lose. Putin took care of this. Content raised. Like the police. Conscience and mouth covered ... For a while, there is NUKER.

      Quote: Apollon
      come dry out of the waterWell, the thing will be lowered on the brakes

      And I’ll suppose, and even, for sure, I can definitely say that Serdyukov ATTRACT to criminal liability. To attract does not mean to plant. But!!! Even if it were "planted" ... And we all know HOW he will sit WHERE и с BY WHOM??? Here, suppose a court and a sentence of 5 years in a penal colony. Hooray! Or Urya? And right away: after all, Putin has done well. Yes???? And the fact that Serdyukov at this time, five, three years, will rest somewhere, such a thought is not coming to the head? I just LESETbecause I don’t believe Putin. Already, for a long time and for a long time. And the current state of things, with cherished Vasilyeva, confirmation of this. Now he is just waiting.
      The fact that Serdyukov will be prosecuted, I have no doubt. As there is no doubt that this "a responsibility", will be the same as the word I wrote - QUOTATION QUOTES.

      PS Putin’s last nonsense about space just offended me. Of course, astronomy was excluded from the school curriculum, a new generation is growing up, for whom Sobyanin and others like him want to build a temple a month. Therefore, you can rub anything about space: both about the fight against meteorites, and about lunar-Martian travels ... probably for oil. Ha ha ??? Yes, no, soon such a poppycock will give a ride. THANKS.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 18 2013 08: 48 New
      0
      Quote: awg75
      if the power of the stool won't put then I will no longer vote for her ...

      And if he does, then - will you? ... It's funny ...

      Quote: d1m1drol
      If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then power will lose the support of the military. so here the choice is not great!

      Do not lose. Putin took care of this. Content raised. Like the police. Conscience and mouth covered ... For a while, there is NUKER.

      Quote: Apollon
      come dry out of the waterWell, the thing will be lowered on the brakes

      And I’ll suppose, and even, for sure, I can definitely say that Serdyukov ATTRACT to criminal liability. To attract does not mean to plant. But!!! Even if it were "planted" ... And we all know HOW he will sit WHERE и с BY WHOM??? Here, suppose a court and a sentence of 5 years in a penal colony. Hooray! Or Urya? And right away: after all, Putin has done well. Yes???? And the fact that Serdyukov at this time, five, three years, will rest somewhere, such a thought is not coming to the head? I just LESETbecause I don’t believe Putin. Already, for a long time and for a long time. And the current state of things, with cherished Vasilyeva, confirmation of this. Now he is just waiting.
      The fact that Serdyukov will be prosecuted, I have no doubt. As there is no doubt that this "a responsibility", will be the same as the word I wrote - QUOTATION QUOTES.

      PS Putin’s last nonsense about space just offended me. Of course, astronomy was excluded from the school curriculum, a new generation is growing up, for whom Sobyanin and others like him want to build a temple a month. Therefore, you can rub anything about space: both about the fight against meteorites, and about lunar-Martian travels ... probably for oil. Ha ha ??? Yes, no, soon such a poppycock will give a ride. THANKS.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius April 18 2013 09: 05 New
        14
        Z.A.M., say everything correctly. For me, the credibility of the authorities has been completely exhausted after who, how and in what time frame the last so-called military reform. I see how, by whom, and at what professional level, reforms are being carried out in other social spheres. And if the head of government publicly declares that the Moscow Region is an effective manager, and the Minister of Education, Mr. Livanov, who swears live, is not a ruble, so that everyone likes it, then everything is very clear to me. The country did not know such a mess even during the Russo-Japanese one. In 90, people had more fear. And now the whole candidacy has moved to the Duma.
    3. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 April 18 2013 09: 21 New
      +3
      Well yes. The tree, like Mr. does not sink
    4. Apollo
      Apollo April 18 2013 10: 09 New
      +8
      No comments

      1. btsypulin
        btsypulin April 18 2013 11: 40 New
        +3
        Thank you for the video! Most of all I liked the phrase: "if you put Serdyukov in prison, then you should put the LADY and many of the Government members ..."
  10. andrey903
    andrey903 April 18 2013 08: 10 New
    23
    I think that Yegorov, Smetanov, and maybe Vasilyeva, as well as other friends, will be accused of cynical rape of Serdyukov in a perverted form
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 18 2013 08: 14 New
      +4
      5 points for koment!
      Lying under the table and neighing!))) Keep it up!
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 April 18 2013 09: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: andrey903
      I think that Yegorov, Smetanov, and maybe Vasilyeva, as well as other friends, will be accused of cynical rape of Serdyukov in a perverted form


      Nope, for such a long time, but seduction of a minor with circumstances mitigating guilt, it may
  11. Alex66
    Alex66 April 18 2013 08: 13 New
    +7
    Guilty Serdyukov lies with the Commander-in-Chief, they might think that even in proportion was not convenient. And so subordinates naughty on a small scale, a million not a billion, they will receive deadlines. Well, as always, customers are not at work.
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 18 2013 08: 16 New
      +8
      And here is an interesting question.
      He stole the 3 billion man and received only 2,5 of the year.
      What thread a peasant from the village for a stolen bag of potatoes can solder 3 years.
      And think about it? How many tons of potatoes can I buy for 3 lard rubles?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 09: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: LiSSyara
        What thread a peasant from the village for a stolen bag of potatoes can solder 3 years.

        We have one in 1997 for stole 6 bags of potatoes soldered 6 years of general regime!
        The law is harsh, but it is a law, it was written and it became funny laughing more like mocking the law.
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 April 18 2013 09: 24 New
          +3
          Only not above the law, but above us
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm April 18 2013 22: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The law is strong, but it's law

          I remember the good old classic
      2. Alex66
        Alex66 April 18 2013 09: 43 New
        +2
        Similarly, 2 bags of feed from the farm together, a period of 2 years each.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado April 18 2013 12: 21 New
          +1
          Already told a story. In the villages in the local pub there were two bruises, they drank everything, went for the second to the cash register, the saleswoman didn’t turn out - she went to the toilet, then one took a bottle from the counter and left the money at the cash register. The saleswoman came to be indignant, began to quarrel with bruises, called the cops (they thought they scolded them and the whole business). The result is 7 years for each general regime for putting together organized crime groups and robbery.
  12. igor36
    igor36 April 18 2013 08: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Ragnarek
    The author is sorry for the expression full eb..n. According to the rules of criminal proceedings, there should always be a victim, in this case a legal entity - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Shoigu leads it, which means he will be the REPRESENTATIVE of the VICTIM. What does Serdyuk have to do with it?

    Absolutely agree. If there is no victim there is no case. The stool is unlikely to turn out, the question is the adequacy of the crime and punishment.
    1. crazy_fencer
      crazy_fencer April 18 2013 08: 31 New
      +5
      Will turn out. Since, as Alex66 quite accurately observed, Serdyukov’s guilt lies with the Commander-in-Chief. What the commander-in-chief cannot allow under any circumstances.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: igor36
        The stool is unlikely to turn out, the question of the adequacy of the crime and punishment


        Yes, he does not twist, others "twist" him for him !!!
  13. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 18 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    Poor poor Anatolik crying How do you call it? "Stockholm Syndrome"? request
    There is, of course, an option - if the chief "does not cut the clearing" - everything is decided by his subordinates, and the chief is only told where to sign ... but what kind of minister is he then? request
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius April 18 2013 10: 16 New
      +5
      And this situation with Shoigu and Serdyukov reminds me of the good old game of an evil and kind investigator during interrogation. An unpopular, but "armored" minister (it is written on his face that he urinated on everything from the Eiffel Tower!) Was appointed minister to be engaged in an unpopular but necessary business - reforming the RF Armed Forces. It started. Years pass, to whom the war - to whom the mother is dear, but the reform is underway. Serdyuk becomes even more unpopular, there is a problem with the reform - it seems that it is, but it seems that it does not exist. Then something malfunctioned in the mechanism and what exactly we will never know is the wrong level of tolerance. But - the fact - Taburetkina "leave". There is a huge resonance in society. Something needs to be done. The first step is to appoint a "good investigator" - Shoigu. The fact that he began to act out his roles was evident literally from the moment of his appointment, because many of Serdyuk's decisions were immediately canceled. It is very clear that this move by the authorities was a success - even on our website 95% of the visitors treat it this way.
      Now there remains the third act of drama - eat the fish and sit on the stake. Those. make a Solomon decision on the former MO. As it has been said a thousand times already - in itself it’s just an official who also executes decrees. Actually, I can end this. hi
  14. pinecone
    pinecone April 18 2013 08: 31 New
    +1
    "The law is that the drawbar, where you turn, it went there"
    "The raven will not peck out the crow"
  15. fenix57
    fenix57 April 18 2013 08: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    . A man of his own-checked, his will not give up.

    And if he surrenders, then his heart will "grab" ...

    Quote: d1m1drol
    If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the government will lose the support of the military

    So far, some are just saving their BUMBERS (OR HEADS) ... what
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 18 2013 09: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: fenix57
      And if he passes,

      To ... laughing
  16. snow779
    snow779 April 18 2013 08: 40 New
    +5
    Ugh! I read and spit. Nothing changes.
  17. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 18 2013 08: 44 New
    15
    Sensational news. The investigation into the multi-billion-dollar thefts in the Ministry of Defense found the culprit. It turned out to be the ensign V \ h 12345 Vaskin. The investigation has already proved that this subject has stolen stewed 3 boxes from the warehouse, but he is suspected of multi-billion frauds. The main witness A. Serdyukov has already testified against the ensign. In his testimony, the ex-minister indicated that under pressure from the ensign, he signed documents that resulted in scams involving property of the Moscow Region. In addition, the witness claims that he was deceived and did not suspect the insidious ensign ....... wassat

    Well, if without irony, then it seems the gentlemen are holding us for idiots! It seems by all means trying to pull out this stool-reptile .....
    Oh rzhunimaga .... verily in Russia is happening what never happens anywhere. Ah Putin, Putin - minus your confidence rating, and Shoigu too
  18. gorkoxnumx
    gorkoxnumx April 18 2013 08: 55 New
    19
    As long as no one Serdyukov puts Putin in power, he set him up, and his comrades in trouble are not abandoned.
    As Putin said, we are not the 37th year.
  19. Iraclius
    Iraclius April 18 2013 08: 55 New
    0
    Serdyukov - the victim ?! Blyat, I didn’t even think about such a scenario! belay
    You look and compensation will begin to pay him.
    Poor-poor minister. How so deceived you.
    You, as a cadet of the 6 course, were green, inexperienced, and much is forgiven to you. Bitch.
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 April 18 2013 08: 57 New
    +6
    They keep us for fools, if the structure of the defense service was a separate department, then the MO can be considered the injured party, and so one small department throughout the country was engaged in commercial theft, and even tidbits of the entire military department, now Serdyukov is like an innocent virgin, and where and who does not deprive him of this innocence, he does not know.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 09: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: bubla5
      Now Serdyukov is like an innocent virgin, and where and whoever deprived him of this innocence, he does not know.

      Surely foreman, so he hates ensigns and fears, reflex!
  21. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 18 2013 09: 09 New
    +2
    It is impossible to mislead the great combinator - he has a nose for profit at the genetic level. It is rather Shoigu who was misled (or he himself is glad to be deceived) about the whiteness and fluffiness of Serdyukov.
  22. Garrin
    Garrin April 18 2013 09: 09 New
    +6
    Yesterday, on the radio, in Solovyov’s program, I heard that Vasilieva began her career under the leadership of Resin. That's where this aerobatics comes from in real estate fraud schemes. Good school.
    1. afire
      afire April 18 2013 09: 36 New
      0
      Well, to put it mildly, everything was completely different there as you write, listen to http://radiovesti.ru/episode/show/episode_id/20115
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 18 2013 17: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: afire
        Well, to put it mildly, everything was completely different there as you write, listen to http://radiovesti.ru/episode/show/episode_id/20115

        No, just that you are mistaken. You provide a link to the air of 16.04/17.04, and I wrote about the air of XNUMX/XNUMX. Here is the link:
        http://www.moskva.fm/stations/FM_97.6/programs/%D1%83%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE_%D1%81_%
        D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D
        0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%BC._%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%
        D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82/2013-04-17_07:00
        Listen from 7h. 55 minutes up to 7 hours 58 minutes
  23. qroz5
    qroz5 April 18 2013 09: 10 New
    +4
    everyday farting, he also suffered, so why plant him? submit to the award ..........
  24. Dejavu
    Dejavu April 18 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    Before, I really liked that Shoigu's expression changed when it came to Tubaretych. The feeling was that if he had given free rein, he would have smeared the Tubarette on the asphalt. "Our man" I thought. He shouldn't be so substituted. Reputation and credit of trust are short-lived. Today we love him and are ready to entrust the country, if necessary, but such intercessions can serve a bitter service. The people would be much nicer if Sergei Kuzhegetovich said: "The former minister got caught in the trash, they decided to put him in jail for 15 years with confiscation." Ehh .... / sadface That there is no interview with high officials, they talk about one thing "the investigation will show while he is a witness ...".
  25. AK-47
    AK-47 April 18 2013 09: 14 New
    +1
    ... if ... the former Minister of Defense changes the status of the witness to the status of the victim, then the matter is the end, and who listened is well done ...

    It looks like the "victim" Serdyukov is too tough for justice.
  26. Strashila
    Strashila April 18 2013 09: 19 New
    +5
    And if you shake his previous place of work (tax) ... obviously they are digging no less ... and there he did not know the same thing.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 10 New
      +2
      One year, about 3 years ago they showed on RBC that Serdyukov and Serdyuchki in St. Petersburg were engaged in frank raiding in general, for tax collection - it is from the BEST departments in Russia !!! Think about it, if management barely makes a plan, so maybe the leader is an honest person ....
  27. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol April 18 2013 09: 20 New
    +2
    We got it already ... well, you can’t legally according to the law .. then he can arrange a life collapse for him .. he slipped in the bathroom and that’s it ... we don’t have to tell who .. we will understand and enjoy this denouement. After all, not 37 ... maybe quietly.
  28. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 18 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    Someone will put this freak or how (he’s a monument)
  29. Ostanin
    Ostanin April 18 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    To be honest, it’s not clear to me why everything was started, since they are letting the brakes go. Either, indeed, as mentioned above, they hold us for fools, or the authorities sensed that there was a growing wave of popular discontent and decided to arrange a show for us, here, see how we fight corruption, and our court is independent and we can not influence its decisions really not the 37th year.
  30. UFO
    UFO April 18 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    Seems to me, "mustache rested on the ass." "Unexpected heart attack" or the like is the only possible way out for everyone. And all the "whore" can then be planted. hi
  31. afire
    afire April 18 2013 09: 33 New
    19
    Why doesn’t the GDP so cherish those who elect it ....
    Further we go, worse it becomes.
    For myself, I at least decided that if Serdyuk didn’t sit down, my GDP would not get any more, and along with me my acquaintances 50 people would pass by his checkmarks. They play with fire, they are already sickened. Again, the people begin to boil everything from empty words, what's the use of the fact that the sea is money in the country? no roads, no hospitals, no textbooks, no cheap gasoline. In the news for a month now I’ve been observing just a stupid empty movement with zero exhaust. Constantly identify, identify and identify, and where is the money ??? Why do I need to beat 100500 thresholds to get a privilege for a disabled person? it turns out that for this he had to give a serious bribe, everything was rotten, everything was corrupt, nobody needed anything but profit. Everyone pretends that they are doing something, they are working, all around are deceit, overlapping and patronizing. I do not want to see this obvious ugliness, when the obvious can easily be corrected, but everything is done to make someone raise money on this.
    minus
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 18 2013 09: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: afire
      minus

      wink Do not wait - plus. wink

      Quote: afire
      that if the heart doesn’t sit down, my vote will no longer receive GDP,

      To this, I can only suggest you read my comment above. hi
    2. Dejavu
      Dejavu April 18 2013 09: 59 New
      +5
      Read the classics, so corruption, roads and fat drinking priests have always been. Only now, Russia continues to hold on to Faith, the tsar and the hope for the best. My friends, I’m afraid, nothing will change in our mother Russia, she’s too big and the ranks at the top are getting richer quickly and forget why they are there. The simple people have no choice but to live, work and raise children. He himself became a dad not so long ago, his tongue does not turn to complain about life. Work, apartment, family - everything seems to be there. And they will put the Tubaret or not, rather no, than yes. For if they plant it, then Putin was mistaken when he set it. And if they don’t imprison, then there are arguments for that. Fucked the poor thing 3 women, with whom it does not happen. Women, they are cunning PPC. This will calm down. Any Bilalovs will be planted, they can be, they did not set their gdp :)
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: dejavu
        Any Bilalovs will be planted, they can be, they did not set their gdp :)


        They won’t plant Belalovs, their Dimka-iPhone set them up (the roots are still according to Peter), in addition to being wasted on business trips, they are not being incremented, and he ALREADY RETURNED the money ....
    3. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      Yes, put the "democrats" on your vote and the votes of other citizens. In Russia, the CEC elects, as it counts (they pay), so be it! By the way, not only in Russia
    4. UzRus
      UzRus April 18 2013 11: 34 New
      +2
      The cry of the soul, but everything is correct and on the topic - you fat plus!
    5. Gato
      Gato April 18 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      "Again, the people start to boil with empty words, what's the point with the fact that there is a lot of money in the country? No roads, no hospitals, no textbooks, no cheap gasoline."

      And here is the money:
      "As reported, the number of dollar billionaires in Russia in 2013 rose to 131, which was a historic record."

      And here is the first five of the richest RUSSIANS:
      Alisher Usmanov - $ 17,6 billion
      Mikhail Fridman - $ 16,5 billion
      Leonid Mikhelson - $ 15,4 billion
      Victor Vekselberg - $ 15,1 billion
      Vakit Alekperov - $ 14,8 billion

      Source: http://korrespondent.net/business/financial/1549591-nazvany-samye-bogatye-rossiy
      ane-usmanov-obednel-no-ostalsya-na-vershine
    6. Normal
      Normal April 18 2013 18: 10 New
      0
      Quote: afire
      Why doesn’t the GDP so cherish those who elect it ....

      This is because you cannot REMOVE it !. The President has no right to be distracted by some "hamsters". He simply does not take into account those who cannot, are incapable of making real claims against him.
      Not Internet indignation and keyboard indignation, but concrete, reinforced by the determination to act requirements.
      He needed you only to formally confirm his monopoly on power. Purely formal. For a very short time are needed; before the elections. It is necessary, but not "necessary" If you would not vote for the GDP, it would not be very upset. Would assign any desired number of votes. Absolutely anyone! You won't go out to protest, will you? You will not come out .... And Putin knows it. So why on earth should he consider your opinion? Why would he cherish you and all those who out of ignorance, stupidity, thoughtlessness, inertia, out of fear of the 90s, out of a falsely understood sense of patriotism, voted for him?
      He tricked you. Have the courage to admit it. Moreover; GDP knows it will fool you again and again.
      And we won’t do anything to him. So, by tryndim on the forum, we are indignant, let out steam in the whistle, roll a glass to calm the nerves and that’s all ....
      1. afire
        afire April 22 2013 11: 52 New
        0
        I chose him and I do not want to REMOVE him!
  32. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 18 2013 09: 40 New
    +7
    If a subordinate commits a crime in the Russian police, investigative bodies, and special services, then, in spite of all the services to the country, the head quits. This initiative came from Medvedev and there were a lot of indignation on the part of illegally dismissed leaders ... And it seems that this was presented to Medvedev convincingly and correctly, BUT lately, it’s not a high-profile criminal case, it’s a member or former member of the government .. . And billions of funds stolen from the state treasury ... I believe that double standards can be traced here. Who is Medvedev? He is the same official, hired official, and he simply must bear the same responsibility as everyone else ... He invented it, so do it .... As for Serdyukov, he will not answer according to the law while he is covered by such a person as a prime minister and with him Zubkov, Dvorkovich .... They detain and attract trifles, and larger fish go abroad .... It’s good to be a minister under Medvedev, I do not want to steal ... !!!
  33. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 18 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    Just recently, Vladimir Vladimirovich published a declaration of income, and it follows from it that last year he earned 3 million rubles, he has a cottage and an apartment in Moscow, and in the garage he has 2 Volga cars and some kind of domestic roofing felts NIVA felts Lada Kalina. I don’t know the power we are being bullied or just considers us idiots, personally I don’t know how to laugh or cry.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr April 18 2013 15: 59 New
      +2
      You can cry a little. For the eyes it is useful ...
    2. Fornit
      Fornit April 19 2013 12: 19 New
      0
      But Shuvalov next to him "earned" 517 million ... Does he collect Swiss watches in the evenings? 8 =))
  34. USNik
    USNik April 18 2013 09: 46 New
    0
    It seems that if you make a move, then not only Serdyukov but also Dimka-Ayfonchek will have to land. Therefore, they do not dig further, for the time being stop
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 18 2013 10: 38 New
      +2
      At that time, not Dimka, but Votodya at Taburetkin’s boss was ......
  35. Apollo
    Apollo April 18 2013 09: 53 New
    +7
    how then to qualify the actions of Serdyukov? Definitely CHANGE

    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 18 2013 10: 29 New
      +9
      well bastard .... there are no other words for this hog ... am
  36. Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf April 18 2013 09: 53 New
    -1
    I recently watched the series "Americans". So there our illegal immigrants, after the attempt on Reagan's life, first of all took the US Secretary of Defense at gunpoint. This is a key figure after all, since all the supplies and the entire administrative-bureaucratic mechanism of the army are on it. Why doesn't anyone see a possible US strike against him as a hint that we shouldn't be reviving the army's power?
    1. Naval
      Naval April 18 2013 10: 43 New
      +3
      Yes, and the beloved son-in-law and mistress are CIA agents sent to neutralize the heroic minister, well, cottages and 13-room apartments are the machinations of the State Department good
    2. ars_pro
      ars_pro April 18 2013 16: 51 New
      0
      I think on the contrary, the army sighed easier after removing it, ask the guys over there, they celebrated for a week when they removed it
  37. kind
    kind April 18 2013 09: 57 New
    +6
    The cat needs to be regretted for being fed up with glutton of sour cream. After all, he is not to blame for the fact that he is appointed to look after sour cream, and it’s a pity to beat him!
    1. Gato
      Gato April 18 2013 21: 12 New
      0
      Don’t offend the cat’s shell. He is smart, clever and cunning. And it is better to call the person involved a hog (a boar or a lace) - all the more erysipelas are very suitable.
  38. Dejavu
    Dejavu April 18 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    Just now I noticed in the video when Serdyukov was angry, he terribly looked like Verka SERDYUCHU lol !! : D damn it just so coincided.
  39. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 18 2013 10: 07 New
    +7
    Personally, I am sure that Taburetkin’s power will surrender, and at the very least, do not spoil him! Surely the president is informed of the mood in society, as well as in the army and other power structures. And the situation in the country now, taking into account all kinds of crises, is not so hot - external and internal debt are growing, the economy is at best, or rather, inflation is clearly not announced 7-8 percent, etc. etc. Therefore, in order to remove the degree in society and show the sequence of the struggle of the authorities against corruption, the president will surrender it! But ... He will receive a term, although real, but he can sit in different ways. I don’t know if anyone paid attention to the information about the bill on the humanization of the treatment of prisoners. So it says directly that the state. secrets should be kept separate from other prisoners in special institutions. Here’s one of Serdyukov’s dachas and his mistress’s apartment will be converted into this business! And the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe!
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 18 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      So it says directly that the state. secrets should be kept separate from other prisoners in special institutions

      Above wrote about the same. I am glad that there are thinkers.
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd April 18 2013 11: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      So it says directly that the state. secrets should be kept separate from other prisoners in special institutions.

      MPs and officials are worried about their future. It means that not all of them have come to power through "family" ties; there are also thinkers. wassat
    3. Mikado
      Mikado April 18 2013 12: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      Surely the president is informed of the mood in society, as well as in the army and other power structures


      I would agree with you, but here they showed how Vladimir Vladimirovich lives, how he spends his day, for some reason not in "thinking about the fate of the Motherland" and in business. And every day in the morning he goes to the gym, swims for two kilometers (I, a working citizen at a regular job, cannot afford to swim one km a day, I have no time), then he eats, walks, reading books, a healthy afternoon nap, lives constantly at home, sometimes they bring some documents to sign. I think that with this approach, he put on the mood in society and in the army, he will soon dive for the next amphoras, he needs to prepare.
    4. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich April 18 2013 14: 06 New
      0
      reasonably, consider that this provocation is aimed at discrediting Shoigu as a clear competitor to Putin for the votes of workers ... according to the analysts, Shoigu was clearly on the side of the compradors in 90, now it’s not entirely clear: either he went to the camp of statesmen, then whether it’s the dark horse of the liberals that they want to bring to power to replace Putin. it’s not by chance that the media are promoting PR most of Shoigu, not Putin.
  40. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 18 2013 10: 07 New
    +4
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: TRex
    Why haven’t they yet screwed a bracelet on his paw? Trust?

    Because he was, is and will be in the status of a witness.

    I always knew that our court is the most humane court in the world. am And I always knew that they wouldn’t put this nits, that’s the law of mother Russia, you’ll make gum rot in prison, steal in billions and live in peace! How so! Where has that stolen, robbed special forces who put a bullet in this pork head, already fed!
  41. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 18 2013 10: 08 New
    +9
    He said weightily, businesslike, you can’t do this.
    "They say you don't touch him, they say, except for vodka, nothing -
    verified, our friend ... "

    V.S. Vysotsky
  42. 120352
    120352 April 18 2013 10: 10 New
    10
    When there is no conscience at all, but there is someone to substitute, including a pregnant woman who believed you and loved you, you can go from a thief "to especially large ones", from a traitor to the Fatherland, who left him without armed forces, and their remnants without means of subsistence, let alone development, becoming a victim!
    The entire system of power loses authority in the blink of an eye and is no longer perceived as a state and government (+ tame parliament), but as a gang of crooks and thieves, i.e. "United Russia. I think the Magnitsky list, and it is known to include non-people who took out billions from the budget and, in the meantime, killed an honest guy who tried to expose them, for which he paid, and his killers went for a promotion and acquired , in the meantime, accounts and overseas real estate must be expanded!
    The name (person) can be changed. And a surname too. But I want my country to be called Russia!
    The people are a self-organizing system. At a certain stage of its development, this very people creates a state, which subsequently contains. But, according to the well-known theory of the "Social Contract", if the state begins to ignore the people, especially, God forbid, to rob it, the people have the right to expel this state. These are not only the words of the Social Contract, but also of a number of international documents.
    This self-purification will happen sooner or later. But the gentlemen, who were fattening at our expense, do not think that they will be able to escape abroad and fatten there on the money stolen from us. That is why the Magnitsky List was created!
  43. Drappier
    Drappier April 18 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    Damn, they put in control of the military department of a man who clearly hates the military. After assigning this to the military budget, crazy bucks flowed, I think all this that they seem to show on TV is the tip of the iceberg recourse and Putin is simply not that stupid, this vat of shit will not stir with a stick, because he will get dirty from head to toe, but well, not a lot will "jump" laughing so sleep well Serdyukov, I think soon your conscience will torture you and you will "shoot yourself" ...
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 18 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      In general, it is necessary with him, as with a pirate.
      Without trial and investigation!
      1. Drappier
        Drappier April 18 2013 10: 52 New
        +4
        You know, I'm sure that this mug, perhaps even somewhere in the west, hid a packet of papers with the stamp "open if something happens to me" and if it happens, and the bag is opened, this will start ...
  44. Naval
    Naval April 18 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    That’s what it means to marry successfully, a career from a furniture seller to a minister of defense, even Catherine’s favorites didn’t dream of, well, and most importantly, they’re not in the class.
    What do not do - in the worst case, they will only chide ... Although, to paraphrase the unforgettable Gleb Zheglov: "The article of treason to the Motherland is written on his forehead."
  45. not good
    not good April 18 2013 10: 54 New
    +2
    It turns out that gradually, Serdyukov is taken out from under the blow. More often it sounds, they say they were misled. It looks like the scum has paid off ...
  46. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 18 2013 10: 55 New
    +2
    Poor Tolik, the women must have deceived him, and he thought that they love him just like that for his charisma. So trust people after that! sad
  47. Belogor
    Belogor April 18 2013 11: 06 New
    -1
    As I understand it, this article is the personal opinion of the author. I looked at other sites for detailed information about this, did not find it. Such socially resonant affairs so simply do not give up to several people. So I don’t particularly believe the author, it’s not clear whose ears are sticking out, apparently just a collision with unwanted power.
  48. RUS-36
    RUS-36 April 18 2013 11: 07 New
    +2
    "Elephants rub, mosquitoes crush between themselves", and here, they will find scapegoats, but the leader has nothing to do with it. As usual with us, the more stolen, the less time ...
  49. Sewer
    Sewer April 18 2013 11: 07 New
    +1
    Shame, I don’t want to write anything else, Shame!
  50. Owl
    Owl April 18 2013 11: 09 New
    +5
    This "power", which takes everything from its people, and never surrenders "its accomplices", may consider us idiots and half-witted believers, this is its right, but, unfortunately, there is a growing desire, personally, to carry out "the highest a measure of social protection "to all these traitors who are now in the Kremlin, in the Government and" temporarily not working. " At one time I fought not for them, not for "power", I fought for the Motherland, I was taught and raised that way, and I hate these.