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Today's Stalin is a monastery where Russian people heal their wounds.

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Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin continues to be the most relevant historical figure in modern Russia. This is recognized even by sworn enemies, on whom the name of Stalin makes the same impression as a cross on vampires. They immediately begin to turn pale, shake, spew curses and come up with utter fables. For ordinary Russian people, on the contrary, with the name of Stalin there is a hope that not everything is lost, justice will prevail, and the parasites of the world behind the scenes and domestic embezzlers will still get theirs.


Writer Alexander Prokhanov assesses the phenomenon of Stalin:

“My friends asked me:“ Who is Stalin yesterday, today and tomorrow? ”And this rather rhetorical and non-academic question made me think. And that's what came to my mind.

I think that Stalin yesterday, that is, yesterday’s real Stalin, is a hyperrealist. This is a man who brilliantly knew and understood reality in its dynamics, in its movement. He operated with a colossal number of phenomena, facts. He managed to build these facts, he managed to foresee them. He created combinations of these vast arrays of real phenomena, both domestic and global.

Moreover, his knowledge about metaphysical reality was included in this reality. It was not just the reality of the two-dimensional world, the two-dimensional environment, it was also a kind of transcendent reality. It was knowledge about the reality that is formed, speaking pompously, in Heaven, and then projected into earth reality, where wars, revolutions, lawsuits, the construction of giant factories, the development of territories take place. There are such phenomena as great victories, as well as great defeats. All this is a projection of phenomena occurring somewhere in Heaven, somewhere in other worlds.

Due to this hyperrealistic knowledge, Stalin beat all his opponents. I am not talking about party opponents such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Kamenev. He beat them and, of course, brutally beat them, dealt with them, and for this you had to have a cybernetic idea of ​​the political processes of intra-party dynamics.

He outplayed opponents like Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, Mussolini. He outplayed all the leading politicians in Europe and the world. He beat Mao Zedong. He did this only because he possessed knowledge that they did not possess. He was able to see the moments that they had not yet experienced. Therefore, Stalin of the past is a hyperrealist, which apparently was not and will not appear soon.

Stalin of today is the Stalin myth. Stalin returned to us in our worldviews, in our political culture, not as a real person, not as a person who spoke at congresses, created a new weapon, the man who led the hardest world game. He came to us as a myth in which today's Russian tribe is saved, in which today's Russian people are saved, the Russian people - trampled, robbed, deprived of their state. The people who were taken away from his greatness, his historical fate. A nation that is said to be not a nation at all. And this wounded, tormented people hiding in Stalin, as they used to hide in monasteries during the invasions.

Today's Stalin is a monastery where Russian people heal their wounds.

Therefore, today's Stalin is a monastery in which the Russian people are hiding, where he heals his wounds, where he is again saturated with the spirit of resistance and victory. The monastery, where he takes down his shrines, tablets, relics, where he prays, where he prepares for new battles. The monastery, from which he goes into the field on underground tunnels and fights there, fights and strikes at the enemy.

This is the mythological significance of Stalin. Stalin is not important as a carrier of specific characteristic features. These features are not useful for the construction of today's life, and another will be useful - its mythological significance, which fully corresponds to the Russian ideas about the leader, about the state, about the leader, about the winner, about the victor, about the savior. So Stalin is us today.

Stalin of tomorrow, apparently, will again change its meaning, its form, its role. I suspect that, perhaps, in the future, when Russia will again begin to build its new state, a new empire, an empire of a new type, when Russian civilization, flitting this black hole separating it from the fourth Red Stalinist empire, will start to clothe itself in new institutions, New structures, new technologies, a new ideology, which is different from both today's ideology and yesterday’s ideology, then Stalin will have a completely different role.

I think that Stalin in twenty, thirty, and maybe in a hundred years will be rethought by Russian historians, Russian theologians, Russian thinkers. They will understand what he has done to save Russian civilization as much as, perhaps, no one else has done, and that Stalin is the miracle-worker of the Victory. Due to these circumstances, due to the fact that this mystical victory of 1945 of the year was won by Stalin, perhaps by that time such boards would appear on which his face would be written, and a golden halo would shine around his head ...

I do not exclude that Stalin will not just be a saint, he will be a holy martyr, because the idea of ​​murder, that Stalin was killed, destroyed, is becoming more and more apparent. He died a martyr's death for the Russian state. This Stalin - holy martyr - will shine over this imminent, non-existent Russia, and shine it with its light, its will, its love and its such sublime, some kind of ecclesiastical Russian beauty and strength. ”
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 18 2013 06: 34 New
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    Oh, the author did not touch upon a simple topic, but not unambiguous. How many "+" and "-" will now be "broken", for this alone THANKS to the author. And an interesting move, to divide Stalin into the former, present and future ... And I think that in some ways he is certainly right. Article + 1
    1. smel
      smel April 18 2013 06: 42 New
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      Oh, the author did not touch upon a simple topic, but not unambiguous.
      Simple or not, but nonetheless many thanks to the patriot-Prokhanov for his clear and clear understanding of Stalin’s personality in the past, present and future. And I am sure that for most people who do not care about the history of Russia, and the country itself, these thoughts of the writer are quite in tune with their thoughts.
      1. Alexey K.
        Alexey K. April 18 2013 13: 24 New
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        Dear people. You must have arrived from Mars or just left the tundra. What is Stalin? What is the salvation of Russia with the help of Stalin? Are you Ivana who do not remember kinship? Why did they forget Prince Alexander Nevsky, the merchant Kuzma Minin and Prince Dmitry Pozharsky, Emperor Alexander III - the great statesmen and patriots of their Fatherland - and they remembered the killer of the Russian people. WE REALLY HAVE EARS AND DO NOT HEAR, HAVE EYES AND DO NOT SEE.

        In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik state, in the formation and development of which Stalin played such an important role. Let me remind you that on January 22, 1918, the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church adopted a message from Patriarch Tikhon on January 19, 1918, which refers to the excommunication of people of the Orthodox faith who are involved in the murders of innocent people and in persecution of the Church. This anathematically accepted anathema was never canceled by the Church, and therefore such active leaders of the Bolshevik regime, as Lenin, Stalin, and the others who were Orthodox in their baptism, are excommunicated. Of course, the persecution of the Bolshevik regime against the Church had a number of stages. The most bloody, most terrible stages of persecution (persecution of the periods from 1929 to 1933 and from 1936 to 1942) occur precisely at the time when Stalin already received full power in the party and state. It was as a result of these two stages of persecution that the largest local Church of the Orthodox world was almost completely destroyed. It is enough to say that, according to the official rehabilitation commission under the President of the Russian Federation, only in 1937, 85 thousand clergymen were executed. Thus, we must recognize that the most widespread and bloody persecution of the Church, which took place from the late 20s to the early 40s, occurred at a time when all power in the party and state was already concentrated in the hands of Stalin .

        Who wants to read more here is the link: http://azbyka.ru/news/stalin_i_pravoslavnaja_cerkov.shtml
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 18 2013 14: 52 New
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          Quote: Alexey K.
          In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik states

          May be...
          It is possible ...
          But today, the image of I.V. Stalin is closer and more understandable than the church and the Russian Orthodox Church, in particular.
          Why - a separate topic for discussion.
        2. Rrv
          Rrv April 18 2013 14: 58 New
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          Myth-making, please?

          Not only do you write down to the account of the "bloody" Stalin all the priests who passed away, both for natural reasons and those shot by red and white, uprooted by their own parishioners, who died in occupation, from hunger and disease, etc. etc., so give the "exact" numbers, referring to the commission for rehabilitation.
          Only now this commission has not published such figures anywhere.

          Also in your post you "modestly" omit - for what exactly you shot:

          metrolog.org.ua/PrayForHitler


          Information for consideration (if truth is important to you, of course, and not the opportunity to denigrate Stalin’s name in any way and whitewash a black male represented by a corrupt commercial organization):

          kuraev.ru/smf/index.php?topic=376827.0

          17marta.com/?p=3595
          1. consul
            consul April 18 2013 15: 25 New
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            Meeting of Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich) with fighters and commanders of the Red Army during the transfer of tanks
            Filter at least a little of your information.
          2. consul
            consul April 18 2013 15: 28 New
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            Meeting of Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich) with fighters and commanders of the Red Army during the transfer of tanks
            Filter at least a little of your information.
          3. Alexey K.
            Alexey K. April 18 2013 17: 54 New
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            Dear RRV. Or dear - judging by ava.
            Metropolitan Seraphim is a foreign church at that time and has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church. So if you write the answer, then at least be competent in this. Do not confuse traitors with those who honestly did their duty.

            And here is for your overall development the appeal of Metropolitan Sergius at that time heading the Russian Orthodox Church. (By the way, he turned to the people in the morning of June 22 and our "dear" Stalin only five days later, when his pants must have dried out)

            In recent years, we, the inhabitants of Russia, have consoled ourselves with the hope that a military fire that has swept almost the whole world will not affect our country. But fascism, recognizing by law only bare power and used to mock the high demands of honor and morality, turned out to be true to itself this time too. The fascist robbers attacked our homeland. Flouting all sorts of contracts and promises, they suddenly fell upon us, and now the blood of civilians is already irrigating our native land. The times of Batu, German knights, Charles of Sweden, Napoleon are repeated. The miserable descendants of the enemies of Orthodox Christianity want to once again try to bring our people to their knees before untruth, to force him to sacrifice the blessing and integrity of his homeland, the blood covenants of love for his country.

            But this is not the first time that the Russian people have to endure such tests. With God's help, this time too, he will scatter the fascist enemy power to dust. Our ancestors did not lose heart in a worse situation, because they remembered not their personal dangers and benefits, but their sacred duty to their homeland and faith and emerged victorious.

            Let us not shame their glorious name, and we are Orthodox, dear to them both in the flesh and in faith. The fatherland is defended by arms and a common national feat, by its general willingness to serve the fatherland in the difficult hour of trial with everything that anyone can. Here it is the work of the workers, peasants, scientists, women and men, young men and the elderly. Everyone can and should contribute to the overall feat their share of labor, care and art.
            1. Alexey K.
              Alexey K. April 18 2013 17: 55 New
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              Continuation of the message:

              Let us recall the holy leaders of the Russian people, for example, Alexander Nevsky, Dimitri Donskoy, who laid down their souls for the people and their homeland. And not only the leaders did it. Let us recall the innumerable thousands of ordinary Orthodox warriors, whose unknown people the Russian people immortalized in their glorious legend about the heroes Ilya Muromets, Dobryn Nikitich and Alyosha Popovich, who routed the Nightingale the Robber.

              Our Orthodox Church has always shared the fate of the people. Together with him she carried tests, and was comforted by his successes. She will not leave her people now. She blesses the blessing of heaven and the upcoming national feat.

              If for someone, then we need to remember the commandment of Christ: "Greater love is no one else to love, but whoever sets his soul for his own." It is not only the one who will be killed on the battlefield for his people and his good who believes his soul, but also anyone who sacrifices himself, his health or profit for the sake of his homeland. To us, the pastors of the Church, at a time when the fatherland calls on everyone to exploit, it would be unworthy to only tacitly look at what is happening around us, not to encourage the faint-hearted, not to console the saddened, hesitant not to remind of the duty and the will of God. And if, in addition, the silence of the shepherd, his non-contact with the flock being lived on, is also explained by crafty considerations about the possible benefits on the other side of the border, then this will be a direct betrayal of the homeland and its pastoral duty, since the Church needs a shepherd who carries out his service truly “for Jesus’s sake” and not for the sake of kusa bread, ”as St. Demetrius of Rostov put it. Let us put our souls together with our flock. Countless thousands of our Orthodox warriors, who laid down their lives for their homeland and faith at all times of the invasion of enemies by our homeland, went through selflessness. They were dying, not thinking of glory, they only thought that their homeland needed a sacrifice on their part, and humbly sacrificed everything and their own lives.

              The Church of Christ blesses all Orthodox to defend the sacred borders of our country.

              The Lord grants us victory.

              Patriarchal Locum Tenens
              humble sergius, metropolitan
              Moscow and Kolomensky
              1. Rrv
                Rrv April 18 2013 20: 02 New
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                Dear Aleksey, the ava depicts a pig butchering two kebab lovers who came to cut it - my name is Roman, we will be familiar.

                Now to the topic: since you decided to go into formalism, you are forced to recall that Metropolitan Seraphim came from the Orthodox catholic Greek-Russian church, that is, the church whose ministers, in your opinion, were massively destroyed by the Bolsheviks and Stalin.

                For objective reasons, he really does not formally have any relation to the Russian Orthodox Church, but these reasons are that until the 43rd year the Russian Orthodox Church simply did not exist, but this fact does not mean that Seraphim ceased to be an Orthodox Christian, albeit a traitor. And here the question arises - and what quality should the organization have brought up Seraphim and his ilk within its walls?

                As for Stalin’s “murderer” and his relations with the hierarchs, re-read Alexy 1’s speech in the Elokhov Cathedral: if Stalin is a murderer of priests, then the patriarch, who spoke of Stalin in the spirit of deep respect, is a two-faced traitor to the faith, cunning before a dead murderer. If he is not a traitor and spoke fairly, then you, operating with non-existent numbers of invented murders, are definitely lying.
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv April 18 2013 21: 03 New
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                  By the way, Alexei, I somehow missed the fact that you disliked Stalin specifically because of priests-criminals.

                  What is it that turns out - you don’t give a damn about the “tens of millions” of the “innocently killed” laity ?! belay )))
                  1. Alexey K.
                    Alexey K. April 18 2013 21: 19 New
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                    Roman, if you are so competent, read the decision of the Council of Bishops of 2000 on the glorification of the new martyrs and confessors of Russia, there are clergy and ordinary believers who were innocently killed and tortured in camps. sarcasm and irony about this are inappropriate. It is interesting that you would write if among your people would be your near and dear ones.
                2. Alexey K.
                  Alexey K. April 18 2013 21: 10 New
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                  Dear Roman, they did not destroy the traitors, but those who honestly served God. And if a person seriously sins, then he himself falls away from the church and the holiness of the church does not harm it either. If a sinning person repents and corrects his life in accordance with the Christian commandments, then he again joins the church. Remember Judas who was with the Lord Jesus Christ and betrayed Him. Does your logic mean that the Lord raised him like that? Each person has the right to choose and he chooses with whom he should be. And do not worry about the “quality of organization” - the Russian Orthodox Church is equal to the Lord and to his saints the Monk Sergius of Radonezh, the Monk Seraphim of Sarov, the holy noble Alexander Nevsky and many others.
                  There is no hypocrisy at the expense of the patriarch’s speech at the funeral of comrade Stalin - it says that the greats of this world will sooner or later have to go to another world and how Christ crucified on the cross prayed for his killers saying “Forgive them, Father, for they they don’t know what they are doing! so should we pray for our persecutors.
                  Here's another story:
                  On August 31, 1943, the Head of the Russian Church, Metropolitan Sergius returned from Ulyanovsk to Moscow, from which by that time the front had rolled far to the West. Soon Metropolitan Alexy of Leningrad arrived in the capital. On September 4, Metropolitans Sergius, Alexy, and Nikolai were invited to the Kremlin to meet with Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars I.V. Stalin. A conversation took place, in which Deputy Prime Minister V.M. Molotov also took part. The conversation began Molotov. He said that the Government wants to know the needs of the Church. One of the modern publications reproduces the description of this conversation made by A.E. Krasnov-Levitin, who could learn about its contents from the words of Metropolitan Nikolai. “The Metropolitan (Sergius - V.Ts.) spoke calmly, slightly stuttering, in the businesslike tone of a man who was used to talking about serious things with the most senior people. When Stalin was a seminarian, Metropolitan Sergius was already in the rank of bishop, rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy. The metropolitan pointed out the need for the wide opening of churches, the number of which does not completely satisfy the religious needs of the people. He also stated the need to convene the Council and elect the Patriarch. Finally, he stated the need for a wide opening of theological educational institutions, since the Church does not have cadre cadres. Here, Stalin suddenly broke the silence: “Why do you have no personnel?” he asked, taking a pipe from his mouth and staring at his interlocutors. Alexy and Nikolai were embarrassed ... everyone knew that the cadres were “killed” in the camps. But Metropolitan Sergius was not embarrassed. The old man replied: “We have no personnel for various reasons. One of them: we are preparing a priest, and he becomes Marshal of the Soviet Union. ” A satisfied smile touched the mouth of the dictator. He said: “Yes, yes, how so. I am a seminarian. I heard then about you. ” Do you think this is hypocrisy?
                  At the expense of non-existent figures and invented murders. Yes, of course the churches themselves exploded from nothing to do. And Comrade Stalin, in general, a saint, he cared for people and sent them to resorts - to improve their health. (the scheme of resorts is attached)
                  1. Mhpv
                    Mhpv April 18 2013 22: 25 New
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                    Alex again for you
                    For starters, read Karpov “Generalissimus”, Mukhin “Why Stalin was killed,” go to http://stalinism.ru/,http://delostalina.ru/- and do not forget the fact that Stalin graduated from the seminary. So a lot of what the Trotskyists did and the like was done under the Stalin brand, because they knew that they would not be responsible for this.
                  2. Rrv
                    Rrv April 18 2013 22: 30 New
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                    Alexey, fortunately in our country there was a rather long period when the church did not solve anything, as a result of which both you and I were trained to read and write.

                    As for all kinds of cathedrals, forgive me, but without irony there is nothing - what is the cost of the disappearance of the saints from the calendar of the Russian Orthodox Church: izvestia.ru/news/541605
                    And just those who, in your opinion, suffered for the faith during the repressions disappeared - how can one not laugh here? )))

                    If my relatives and friends were among the repressed, then the first thing I would do would be to study the reasons why they were there. And if it turned out that they had broken the law, then I would have a feeling of shame for my loved ones, and not a feeling of hatred for them, so to speak, “executioners”.
                    If they were innocent, then this would be an occasion to find out who exactly was to blame (committed a forgery, slander, etc.), but by no means an unproven reason to blame anyone for what happened.
                    One gets the impression that you are either not aware of what you planted and shot at that time, or you consciously substitute facts, and this is already a sin of perjury. )))

                    He sinned and repented: Mr. Gundyaev somehow accepted from the rabbi an object of religious symbolism, and Mr. Putin, who was serving in the main temple of the country, deigned to bite the Jewish Easter. According to the 70th rule of the holy apostles, Mr. Gundyaev must be overthrown, and Mr. Putin excommunicated, but nothing like this happened. Where is the holy church looking, eh? In general, we can talk about scripture and tradition separately. )))

                    Further: Suppose in the person of Alexei 1 Christian mercy manifested itself - well, now have you forgotten about it? What is the situation with a dead lion, jackals and a distortion of facts?
                    Can you give a link to official documents on the extensive text you cited, or is this another myth from the category of icons flying over Moscow and Stalin’s flight to visit blind women?
                    Do you have documents on the number of blown up churches, the reasons for these explosions, and Stalin’s attitude to the latter?

                    And by the way - some figures are really trying to canonize Stalin, which is somewhat annoying. However, it is not clear why exactly you are against? Against the canonization of Nicholas, nicknamed "bloody", as far as I understand, you had nothing. Is this double Christian morality again?
                  3. folds
                    folds April 19 2013 11: 48 New
                    +1
                    And if a person seriously sins, then he himself falls away from the church and the holiness of the church does not harm it either.
                    - In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s cooler, they leave at their own request a day before sin :)
            2. Nick
              Nick April 18 2013 19: 32 New
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              Quote: Alexey K.
              And here is for your overall development the appeal of Metropolitan Sergius at that time heading the Russian Orthodox Church. (By the way, he turned to the people in the morning of June 22 and our "dear" Stalin only five days later, when his pants must have dried out)

              What did Stalin do in the first five days:
              JUNE 23 Stalin in the morning tried to contact the commander of the troops of the Western Front Pavlov. Then - with Shaposhnikov, Kulik and Zhukov, who went to the front. On the same day, the Headquarters of the High Command was created, headed by the People's Commissar of Defense S.K. Tymoshenko.
              ON JUNE 24, Stalin was engaged in debugging the information mechanism: on his personal initiative, the Central Committee of the party and the government adopted a joint resolution “On the creation and tasks of the Soviet Information Bureau”.
              On the same day he created the Evacuation Council. It was headed by completely unauthorized Shvernik and Kosygin, but even the most authoritative people's commissars instantly carried out his orders: everyone knew that in fact the work of this Council was supervised by Stalin himself.
              On the same day, he called the People's Commissar of Communications of the USSR Peresypkin, questioned about the state of communications with the fronts, republican and regional centers. We discussed the work of the Moscow communications center. The People’s Commissariat, Telegraph and the Central International Telephone Station were located in the same building on Gorky Street. If only one bomb hit it, one could lose contact in many directions at once.
              ON JUNE 25, Stalin and Shaposhnikov signed the Headquarters directive “On the Formation and Tasks of the Army Group of the High Command Reserve” with headquarters in Bryansk. In fact, Stalin took into account the threat of the turn of Hitler troops from a central direction to the south, which was not even seen by military specialists then.
              On the same day - before the German ticks closed in Minsk - ordered the Commander Pavlov to carry out a forced withdrawal of the 3rd and 10th armies.
              On the same day, a resolution was approved “On the Organization of the Institute of Front and Army Chiefs of Defense of the Rear Services” by the NKVD troops.
              On the same day, a remarkable conversation took place. A note about him was left by Y.E. Chaadaev, then manager of the Sovnarkom of the USSR. “Tymoshenko asked Stalin whether to send his son Yakov, who is very asking there, to the front line.
              “Some,” said Stalin, holding back his anger, “to put it mildly, overly zealous workers always strive to please their superiors.” I do not rank you as such, but I advise you never to raise such questions before me. ”
              On the night of June 26, he wrote to the Military Council of the Southwestern Front that he decided to remove from the post of chief of staff of the front Baghramyan as unable to learn from the catastrophe that erupted on this front, which Stalin compared with the defeat of the Russian army in 1914 in Prussia. He further wrote about the mistakes of Tymoshenko and Khrushchev: “If we had informed the country in its entirety about the disaster with the loss of 18-20 divisions that the front has survived and continues to experience, I’m afraid that you would be very cool.”
              JUNE 26, when German tank groups were already 20 kilometers from Minsk, Stalin sent Voroshilov to the Western Front and set about organizing the defense of Moscow. He recalled Zhukov from the South-Western Front in connection with the difficult situation on the Western Front in order to find a way out of the current situation. Held a meeting with him, Tymoshenko and Vatutin.
              He ordered the advance to the front of the 16th Army.
              JUNE 27, members of the Politburo gathered at Stalin. They signed three decisions of the Central Committee: on the mobilization of communists in order to strengthen ideological and political work in the Red Army; on the procedure for the export and deployment of human contingents and valuable property; on the export from Moscow of state reserves of valuable metals, precious stones, the Diamond Fund of the USSR and the values ​​of the Kremlin Armory.

              DO NOT THINK BIKES, LEARN THE HISTORY OF YOUR HOMELAND!
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 April 19 2013 02: 59 New
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                Quote: Nick
                What did Stalin do in the first five days:
                1. Nick
                  Nick April 19 2013 20: 33 New
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                  Here I am about the same, Alex. good
        3. Nick
          Nick April 18 2013 19: 18 New
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          Quote: Alexey K.
          Dear people. You must have arrived from Mars or just left the tundra. What is Stalin? What is the salvation of Russia with the help of Stalin? Are you Ivana who do not remember kinship?

          This appeal is most suitable for you, your brains are washed out by neoliberal fictional stories about Stalin. Do not be lazy, study the facts and arguments given by the other side. I am sure your opinion about Stalin will fundamentally change ...
          1. Alexey K.
            Alexey K. April 18 2013 20: 19 New
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            Of course, it’s interesting that connoisseurs of history and admirers of Comrade Stalin would say when they would work on the construction of the Belomor Canal, or five years would tumble down a forest somewhere in the Gulag?
            1. Nick
              Nick April 18 2013 20: 48 New
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              Quote: Alexey K.
              Of course, it’s interesting that connoisseurs of history and admirers of Comrade Stalin would say when they would work on the construction of the Belomor Canal, or five years would tumble down a forest somewhere in the Gulag?
              negative
              They said what? ... About the need for construction ?, About the need for logging? About the need for the Gulag? About the need for history connoisseurs at the construction of the Belomorkanal or logging? ...
          2. воронов
            воронов April 18 2013 21: 20 New
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            Quote: Nick
            Opinion about Stalin will fundamentally change ..

            Lying
            1. Nick
              Nick April 18 2013 23: 20 New
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              Quote: voronov
              Lying

              You!
        4. matross
          matross April 18 2013 21: 21 New
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          Quote: Alexey K.
          In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik state,

          Dear Alexey! The Bolshevik state did not need the "old" Orthodox Church. And, moreover, harmful killing. The new government gave the people their faith, their religion - the Communist (by the way, largely repeating the Christian). This religion was so powerful and attractive that in a few years (remember, in the pre-information era) it was able to win the minds of half the world. And now owns the minds of half the world, despite the collapse of the USSR, the opposition of Western Zionist liberalism and eastern aggressive Islamism. NOBODY has yet been able to reasonably refute the Marxist postulate that socialism is the next (highest) stage in the development of society in relation to capitalism. So, what is ahead of us (people) is either communism, or self-destruction and non-existence !! With God! (I’m not joking who doesn’t believe; read the “Code of Ethics for the Builder of Communism.” 1. Find Differences, 2. Surprise, 3. Cross Yours, 4. Build Communism
        5. Avenger711
          Avenger711 April 18 2013 21: 46 New
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          ROC time to landfill in the 18th century was.
          And it’s time to cure the brain of Christ.
        6. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 18 2013 21: 52 New
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          I advise, for the sake of understanding, to look at the role of clergy at the end of the 19-beginning of the 20 century in Russia. I will remind for the help. The church was one of the institutions of the state. Not by a certain independent force, but just so - by one of the departments. AND?
          How did the church defend Russia? How did she cope with the task of supporting the state? What about raising people? How did she feed the people? Gapon recall, Iliodora ... bring them numbers. You read historical materials, read. When viewing, I was tormented by shame, burning shame, you know how it happens - it’s not you who are ruining things with stupidity and meanness, but it’s unbearably ashamed for you ...
          And finally. Did Stalin push the tsar, the anointed of God, under his knee? no, we are not from Mars. We were born and raised here. We don’t need to hump the humpback to the wall ....
        7. Uncle
          Uncle April 18 2013 23: 45 New
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          Quote: Alexey K.
          The most bloody, most terrible stages of persecution (persecution of the periods from 1929 to 1933 and from 1936 to 1942) fall precisely at the time when Stalin already received full power in the party and state. It was as a result of these two stages of persecution that the largest local Church of the Orthodox world was almost completely destroyed.

          I wanted to put a terrible photo, but I decided to just recall what happened in those years ...
    2. воронов
      воронов April 18 2013 21: 17 New
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      Whose flag is this with you?
  2. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq April 18 2013 07: 54 New
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    The article is an accurate and capacious reflection of the current status of Joseph Vissarionovich in the minds and hearts of people. Thank you for the article...
    1. omsbon
      omsbon April 18 2013 11: 52 New
      11
      Voting results "great people of Russia", where I.V. Stalin, by a wide margin, became the first, speaks of the people's memory and of the achievements that made the country a superpower!
  3. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 18 2013 07: 55 New
    -15
    it wasn’t just Stalin’s matter. it was just that time, the people were still mostly dark, frightened, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, and so on. Such people are easy to manipulate when they (the people) know and understand nothing. take today's time, and put Stalin at the head of the country, whether they’ll lie again to do something grandiose. People are informed + globalization, the Internet, countries are enemies .. well, let's say Stalin will say that the Internet is disconnected throughout Russia so that the brains are not clogged, and TV will change what happens in the country, will shoot, plant, what will happen to people who are accustomed to freedom and permissiveness? especially shkolota is contact + classmate? there will be thousands of hamsters, heaped up, and it’s still not clear what are dissatisfied! create, only because everyone knows everything from mass media.
    can you imagine the noise that the Euroamers will make if Putin returns the tower in the form of execution? Yes, even if Navalny is put in prison (and they can really put him in), how much will it pour out on Putin? Russia will only help if a civil war starts in the United States and their entire economy will collapse, + pogroms in Europe. I don’t understand how in Spain with 26% unemployment people survive?
    1. dddym
      dddym April 18 2013 08: 23 New
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      I’m not so sure that Stalin would deal with such trifles as to spoil firms that are engaged in ISPs. The current country is diametrically almost 100% not like the one in which Stalin ruled. They hung so much on Stalin that you wondered. It is very interesting and shocking that Comrade Khrushchev, the main exposer of the Stalin personality cult, was one of the main organizers of executions in Moscow and the Moscow Region. And his rule is quite difficult to call a thaw because political psychiatry, executions of peaceful protests in Novocherkassk, for example, are the work of Mr. Khrushchev. Stalin is usually put up in black - here he is! Look at the executioner without going into what he was actually doing. Like Mr. Putin, stating from the rostrum on behalf of the people that we are to blame and again there is no investigation. And when these speeches are made by the head of state - then each of us is to blame - that we chose our own guilt in the elections. And Putin - that Putin will not be able to return the towers - will not be given him the right to do so, the stronger Stalin looks against his background. He is not afraid.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 18 2013 08: 36 New
        -3
        Quote: dddym
        Putin, he will not be able to return the towers - he will not be given the right to do so

        here I am about it. I have suspicions that Chubais is the main watchman in Russia, and Putin has no leverage over him. In Stalin's time, Chubais would be shot or expelled from the country, and no world community would do anything. but we live not in the 30s and 50s, and the country was different, if there is a global scandal due to some kind of busirayt, there is pressure on Russia. Here and imagine what would happen if a criminal case was instituted on Chubais, it is possible that the terrorist acts in Moscow would unscramble the government Ministry of Internal Affairs and the President. Everything is useless, political will is not enough, only because everyone knows everything and information leaks into the Internet in seconds. I have only one hope that a nuclear explosion or plague will occur in the United States or Europe and take millions of lives.
        by the way in the us again some kind of explosion or major fire occurred laughing
        1. Trapperxnumx
          Trapperxnumx April 18 2013 10: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: djon3volta
          here I am about it. I have suspicions that Chubais is the main watchman in Russia, and Putin has no leverage over him. In Stalin's time, Chubais would be shot or expelled from the country, and no world community would do anything.

          Don’t worry, under Stalin there were “lookers” and “guides”. The same Trotsky, for example, was never shot, but what about Litvinov, so I generally keep quiet. The untouchable figure to the very end ...
          So not everything is so simple.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 18 2013 11: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Trapper7
            The same Trotsky, for example, wasn’t shot,

            Humanity was shown by the ice ax Trotsky’s Judas, and finally dubbed his involvement in the USSR, Mercader denied that the cause of Lev Bronstein was walking too wide on the planet. Well, what did you attribute to Litvinov? A faithful Stalinist, only when it came to negotiations with the Germans did he have to take his nationality into account. But he wasn’t, he wasn’t involved, he didn’t participate, why touch him?
            1. antidote
              antidote April 18 2013 19: 09 New
              -1
              Only you do not know his pre-revolutionary money dealings
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 April 18 2013 08: 33 New
      13
      "..., the people who were still dark were mostly frightened, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, etc."
      But do not you think that the "illiterate" people have a much better understanding of the surrounding reality, since they lived with their brains, and not with imposed stereotypes. Stalin did not have such means of fooling, as now.
      "... will shoot, plant, what will happen to people who are accustomed to freedom and permissiveness?"
      No one was shot for freedom, but they will have to be punished for permissiveness. Do not mix these two concepts, and do not confuse free people and professional freedom fighters.
      IMHO.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 18 2013 09: 02 New
        -5
        Quote: engineer74
        "illiterate" people, people understood the surrounding reality much better, since they lived with their brains, and not with imposed stereotypes.

        right, but now all the smart ones are such that try to ban them something. In fact, everything is useless. Information flows intoxicants people because there are no prohibitions. It’s hard to impose bans when everyone sees and knows everything, try to ban it. Only a global catastrophe with millions the victims will shake people and world leaders, as it was after the end of the Second World War of 1945. Otherwise, we will go with the flow like logs in the inform war.
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 April 18 2013 09: 19 New
          +5
          "... and now all the smart ones are such that try to ban them from something. In fact, everything is useless. Information flows intoxicates people, because there are no prohibitions."
          I agree, I’ll only add that an excess of information (regardless of reliability and direction) disorientates no worse than its lack.
          "only a global catastrophe with millions of victims will shake people and world leaders, as it was after the end of the Great Patriotic War of 1945."
          I think that the current rampant "European humanism" and tolerance, we, to some extent, are indebted to the first and second world wars - the purest and strongest people died in them, plus the "outcast" after a sea of ​​blood.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 18 2013 10: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: engineer74
            I think that the current rampant "European humanism" and tolerance, we, to some extent, are indebted to the first and second world wars - the purest and strongest people died in them, plus the "outcast" after a sea of ​​blood.

            It is due to the revolutions and two world wars against Russia that all of Europe and the United States only live. It’s time to understand it all. If you restrain them, they will bend in a few years, and their entire electronic and exchange / speculative economy will collapse! they’ll be fine They understand that it’s because of small and large wars that they keep afloat. But this will not happen all the time, there is nothing permanent and eternal, justice and truth will triumph anyway, and soon, I’m sure that by 2020.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 18 2013 15: 03 New
              +6
              Quote: djon3volta
              after a few years, and their entire electronic and exchange / speculative economy will collapse! they understand this very well. It’s because of the small and large wars that they keep afloat

              In order not to swim in this world "logs", you must have independent, AN INDEPENDENT economy with a well-developed PRODUCTION base and QUALIFIED personnel at all LEVELS, starting from the state apparatus (doesn’t it remind you of anything?), and everything else is from the “crafty” one.
              And finally. The topic was already discussed at the beginning of the year on the “wave” of discussion of renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad and the personality of I.V. Stalin in particular.
              hi
      2. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt April 18 2013 10: 10 New
        +4
        Hello.

        But do not you think that the "illiterate" people have a much better understanding of the surrounding reality, since they lived with their brains, and not with imposed stereotypes.


        So after all, what kind of work did our overseas partners do for this !!
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 18 2013 09: 01 New
      +9
      Quote: djon3volta
      can you imagine the noise that the Euroamers will make if Putin returns the tower in the form of execution? Yes, even if Navalny is put in prison (and they can actually put him in), how much will the city pour out on Putin?

      And how much more can you look at Euroamers? It is forbidden to interfere in the internal affairs of the country in accordance with all international laws! They will bark - let them bark, but there must be order in the country!
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 18 2013 14: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta
      it’s not only Stalin

      Who doesn’t love you so much, dear?
      Last night you had other epaulettes ...
      hi
    5. Nick
      Nick April 18 2013 19: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: djon3volta
      it wasn’t just Stalin’s matter. it was just that time, the people were still mostly dark, frightened, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, and so on. Such people are easy to manipulate when they (the people) know and understand nothing. to take today's time, and put Stalin at the head of the country, whether they’ll lie again to do something grandiose. People informed +

      Ah ah ah! Eugene, think primitively. The greatness of Stalin is seen especially clearly when, being at the head of the "illiterate" as you say, the people created in just 10 years a powerful industrial economy, which made it possible to ensure the victory of the Red Army over the German Wehrmacht, which provided not only the industry of Germany, but also the entire industry of continental Europe . When, under the leadership of Stalin, the "illiterate", "dark" people, just four years after the end of the war, the second in the world, created the atomic bomb. When the USSR, the first among European countries, abolished the card supply system in 1947. When regularly, starting in 1947, prices for many groups of goods fell in the country ...
      1. matross
        matross April 18 2013 23: 38 New
        +3
        You and Travolta seem to communicate through a Yandex translator. It seems both are right, but argue. Yes, our people are great. Yes, Stalin is great too. But it is impossible to make tracing paper for the present, the conditions of the problem have changed a lot. Although we would very much like to restore order by those methods. You will not enter the same river twice. Let's look for another river. And another ferryman. And let Stalin remain a symbol. The banner, if you will.
    6. matross
      matross April 18 2013 21: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: djon3volta
      if we take today's time and put Stalin at the head of the country, then will they lie again to do something grandiose

      I agree with you on 100%. I wanted to say the same thing, but I see - I repeat. Who is minus this obvious thought ?? In the era of global information, it is impossible to act by the methods of the Stalin era. Any serious movement of state power should now be previously provided with artillery information. And we, the Russian people, must understand what the government has gone to and raised us to attack. And that not all enemy means can be suppressed by artillery fire. And if we go into battle consciously and for a just cause, then it is clear to us that false bullets of deceit, counter-propaganda grenades will fly into us and there is the opportunity to hook the antennae of the mine with misinformation.
  4. stas
    stas April 18 2013 07: 57 New
    17
    60 years have passed since Stalin died, and his affairs, both good and bad, are all discussed. So there is a need for this. What a howl the liberals raised about renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad, even for a few days of the anniversary of the battle of Stalingrad.
    The level of corruption and embezzlement in today's Russia partly explains why he carried out harsh purges of the highest echelons of power.
    Nevertheless, some ideas of Stalin are in demand now.
  5. Circle
    Circle April 18 2013 08: 48 New
    +7
    Quote: stas

    The level of corruption and embezzlement in modern Russia in part explains why he carried out harsh purges of the highest echelons of power.

    +1
  6. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 18 2013 08: 56 New
    12
    Stalin, as if he had not been blackened, was and will remain the Leader who preserved the country ... !!! But Gorbachev will remain Judas, a traitor who has ruined a great power, but the “iPhone” will generally be forgotten immediately after being thrown off .... Do you feel the difference between the Leader, Judah and the iPhone ...? I wish there wasn’t such shit as iPhone next to our president, because he spoils the whole positive opinion about the president ... But what about Stalin? - He was and will remain a great man of his time, and not only his ...
  7. rodevaan
    rodevaan April 18 2013 09: 18 New
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    It's not about Stalin. More precisely, not in Stalin himself as an individual.
    The fact is that the Russian people today are tired of confusion and vacillations, tired of the fact that the country is chatting like a brown in the hole and wants the ORDER, wants a clear goal and understanding of WHERE THE COUNTRY SHOULD MOVE.
    The people are tired of the uncontrolled bureaucratic thieves, of the current corruption of lawlessness and impunity of the powerful (in society, in public life, on the roads), which under Stalin were put to the wall without talking. The people are tired of social injustice, that some who steal and atrocities in official places have everything and boast about it, and the hard workers who plow from dawn to dawn live from paycheck to paycheck.
    The people are tired of the fact that murderers, pedophiles, ruffian bandits who have influential relatives, thieves, who are pulling the people's wealth into millions and billions, are publicly released, and hungry homeless people who have stolen a loaf of bread are being stunned to the fullest extent of the law.
    The people are tired of the fact that chocks-savages, who descended from the mountains yesterday or climbed down from the trees, are allowed everything (for a big bribe, of course), and the Russians, the titular nation, are punished and oppressed in their own country for the same deeds.
    The people are tired of the ever-swearing and crushingly cancerous position of the Great and Huge country in front of the West-like imperfections in the world political arena. The people are tired and want to understand why such a huge and independent country, with such a talented population as Russia, does not want to go on its own and independent development path, and allows some kind of cronies and small Britain to read some small bubble and pseudo-democratic notations, instead of just not noticing these annoying pro-American flies.
    The people are tired and want to know why the Great History and Great victories of the Great People still spit and vilify in their own and world media, and why their own government is looking at it through their fingers and does not take any measures to suppress and uproot this Russophobic infection.

    I can still HUGE a bunch of things to list prevailing in modern Russia, from which the Russian People are incredibly tired, and which have already matured to such an extent that it is already necessary to apply radical measures to fully resolve these issues.

    That is why our people today are turning their faces to Joseph Stalin, who, for all his rigidity and ambiguity, nevertheless was able to solve most of these issues, albeit in a radical, but effective and uncompromising way. And the people are so tired of today's bacchanalia of lawlessness and permissiveness that they are more and more ready to see the personality of Stalin at the head of the country.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 18 2013 09: 47 New
      -7
      it’s just that it’s not only Stalin’s matter. It’s necessary to take into account the time when he ruled the country and what kind of people he was then. Even if you put Stalin in our time, right now, then order will not be restored even in 2-5 years! it’s only it seems that when Stalin comes, he will plant or execute all and the people of Russia will heal happily and fairly. This was possible 50-70 years ago, in the age of information and globalization, such a turn would not be possible in the shortest possible time. Even Stalin was poisoned, no matter how fair . And how long will the new Stalin exist in our time, if he begins to abruptly change course in the country?
      1. stas
        stas April 18 2013 10: 43 New
        +7
        And so far no one is demanding a change of course.
        We need a constitutional order, and thieves should be in prison, and not in the State Duma and in bureaucratic seats!
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta April 18 2013 12: 31 New
          -2
          Quote: stas
          And so far no one is demanding a change of course.

          oh well nobody, you read comments in similar articles. although what are 50-100 commentators?
          look at Belarus, there is order, but the more the order, the more the stink of the Euroamers. sanctions are imposed, and the people suffer from them. In Iran, what inflation is due to sanctions? but only because they bring their own order. What sanctions can Russia to accept, in the case of restoring order in our country? when we had the order of the 90s, then the Euroamers were silent and smiling, and I don’t remember anything about DOLY YELTSIN rallies. and as soon as Putin began to put things in order, VERY PUTIN appeared. where 100 thousand rallies FOR THE LANDING OF SERDYUKOV ??? at least 1 person went out on the street with such a slogan ???
      2. Nick
        Nick April 18 2013 23: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        even Stalin was poisoned, no matter how fair he was. how long will the new Stalin exist in our time if he begins to abruptly change course in the country?

        That is the question ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa April 18 2013 11: 56 New
      +7
      Quote: rodevaan
      Russian people today are tired of confusion and vacillations,

      I absolutely agree with you. Even people who do not know much about Stalin heard that under him -
      "There was a time, and there were cellars,
      There was a time - and prices were reduced.
      And the channels flowed where needed
      And at the end, where necessary, fell into ... "
      This is exactly what the Russian person is lacking now, therefore, despite the lie, starting with Khrushchev and ending with Memorial, The Ear of the Matz, which pours on Stalin, he, his ideas, management style are more and more in demand in society every year. to understand his personality, his deeds, victories and miscalculations will only be possible when the post-perestroika foam and turbidity subside. Then we will see the true Stalin.
      1. folds
        folds April 19 2013 10: 58 New
        0
        Or at least all the archives will be opened, and not only those that are beneficial to freaks. Although there is little left after Nikita :(
  8. valokordin
    valokordin April 18 2013 09: 19 New
    +8
    Quote: Gorchakov
    But what about Stalin? - He was and will remain a great man of his time, and not only his ...

    I looked at the report of the medveput in the Duma, the opinion of the GDP approved the report, I thought, well, where is the justice. The report is empty, it’s not the bear who is to blame, but the crisis. Well, what kind of man is this crisis?
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 18 2013 12: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: valokordin
      I watched the medveput report in the Duma, the opinion of the GDP approved the report

      And they didn’t watch the video when Putin at the government meeting soooo sharply stated: “Either I am a bad leader, or you are all out of place here. I am inclined to the second!” - at least on a pair of Ukrainian channels yesterday they played ...
      1. SPACE
        SPACE April 18 2013 19: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: valokordin
        not a bear is to blame, but a crisis

        And what to take from Dima? or someone waiting for something worthwhile from him? The boy was given an iPhone, joy is how the children are in the sandbox.
        Quote: Kaa
        Either I'm a bad leader, or you are all out of place here

        Yes, the fact of the matter is that it is not "either." There is a reason, but there is a consequence. "What is the king, such is the retinue." So Serdyukov there too, "neither I, it was my subordinates who stole." You look at all this circus with clowns and become scared to get, but after all, SOVIET OF RUSSIA, DEFENDER OF THE FATHERLAND AND FAITH, then no. Yes-ahh, Stalin needs the air as a country.
  9. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 18 2013 09: 21 New
    15
    We, the older generation, have not yet realized what we lost from Stalin's accomplishments, but the young, do not even know about them. And having taken a sip of capitalist "goods" to the very nostrils, he will still turn to Stalin and our task is to explain to them what a socialist state is and that "Man-to-man is a friend, comrade and brother"
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan April 18 2013 10: 40 New
      +9
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      We, the older generation, have not yet realized what we lost from Stalin's accomplishments, but the young, do not even know about them. And having taken a sip of capitalist "goods" to the very nostrils, he will still turn to Stalin and our task is to explain to them what a socialist state is and that "Man-to-man is a friend, comrade and brother"


      - I completely agree with you! Although I do not belong to the older generation, in the USSR I only managed to study at school (I did not even live to the Komsomol), but I absolutely share those values ​​that were glorified and introduced into society under the USSR. Comparing with what is "moving" and "planting" now.
  10. valokordin
    valokordin April 18 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    Stalin will remain the leader, thieves will be shed, but we will find and punish them.
  11. pensioner
    pensioner April 18 2013 09: 24 New
    +4
    What is called: do not decrease not add. Creativity Prokhanov - to school.
  12. zambo
    zambo April 18 2013 09: 28 New
    15
    No comment ...
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan April 18 2013 10: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: zamboy
      No comment ...


      Ё ** NEW SHAME.
    2. k220150
      k220150 April 18 2013 13: 12 New
      +3
      Comrade Stalin could not even think of such a future. All to one - trash, intellectual trash, lumpen.
  13. mnbv199
    mnbv199 April 18 2013 09: 39 New
    11
    Hello!
    And here Stalin expressed his opinion about government awards ...
  14. krez-74
    krez-74 April 18 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    Article offset!
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 18 2013 11: 00 New
    +6
    In order to understand the role of I.V. Stalin in our history, it is necessary to clear all the stratification that has been superimposed on him since the time of Khrushchev! The best way to whitewash yourself, to defame your predecessor (in Ukraine, it has become fashionable to speak the language of Azarov - fern).
    However, this also applies to L.P. Beria (who was interested, he undoubtedly knows what role the reporters played in those days, Messrs. Voroshilov, Khrushchev, Yezhov, Vyshinsky and others. I will not stoop to possible comments about the existence of of your point of view in the Memorial society, let others read them.).

    The Ukrainian proverb has long been known - Who is to blame? Daughter-in-law! So it is in history.

    I remember my grandmother told me about those times - "Two neighbors quarreled, who first reached the NKVD, that remained at large." History should ask the leader, but forget that everyday people create everyday history, you must not forget.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 18 2013 11: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: VadimSt
      The Ukrainian proverb has long been known - Who is to blame? Daughter-in-law! So in history

      Hto cope ... Xia? Nevist !!! wassat
      I completely agree with you about the role of Stalin and Beria in history (I just read about the “terrible Beria” that he just cleaned up the NKVD, always had the latest intelligence and never repaired scientists, and on the contrary awarded or helped eliminate obstructions. this is a long argument)
      But the informers were and will be. America is holding onto them.
      Well done, Prokhanov definitely gave a modern definition to Stalin, in addition to what the politicians of Western countries who knew Stalin and the Patriarchs of Moscow Alexy already said.
  16. pensioner
    pensioner April 18 2013 11: 11 New
    -2
    Quote: zamboy
    No comment ...

    It seems to me that the GDP is all in vain you go there ...
    1. zambo
      zambo April 19 2013 08: 16 New
      0
      Quote "Senior Citizen":
      It seems to me that the GDP is all in vain you go there ...

      I agree, but you take a closer look, the GDP is so aloof from them, squinting skeptically at the KGB-shnimy looking at this gang-brotherhood, as if with the thought: "How can I drown these reptiles at once in the Belomorkanal (though f.r.r. um not drowning ...) ".
  17. knn54
    knn54 April 18 2013 11: 31 New
    +6
    From above, a cult cannot be created. Evidence of this is poems, songs about Stalin, jokes and ditties about his successors.
    PS "In times of universal lie, telling the truth is extremism!"
    George Orwell.
    PPS "Crimes of Khrushchev and his
    handy will have long-term
    consequences, they will lead to rebirth, and
    then to the destruction of the USSR and the CPSU ... "
    Mao Zedong and Enver Hoxha.
    (Joint statement “On the day
    birth I.V. Stalin "from 21
    December 1964)
    1. k220150
      k220150 April 18 2013 13: 19 New
      +4
      To understand "who controls us today," remember the imbecile’s speech at the opening of the Bolshoi after restoration about the “brands” of which we have few. For neurological patients, let’s say the same about "brands" - Stalin is our banner of battle, comrade Stalin is a saint for us.
  18. vardex
    vardex April 18 2013 11: 37 New
    +7
    Stalin - for normal people, this is a symbol of discipline and order .... Well, they fuck it more than ever, attribute everything that comes to mind to different politicians, reformers, politicians, and that, they greatly exalted themselves. In the east there is such a saying, if you spit in the back, then you know ahead.
  19. dropout
    dropout April 18 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    And we will still sing. "STALIN OUR Banner BATTLE, STALIN OUR YOUTH WILL FLY"
  20. dropout
    dropout April 18 2013 13: 14 New
    +1
    And we will still sing. "STALIN OUR Banner BATTLE, STALIN OUR YOUTH WILL FLY"
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 18 2013 13: 38 New
    +7
    And what can squalor do to justify its existence? Just imagine the past Great Stage of the country’s existence as even more squalor, they obviously can’t do this and they look even more helpless and then they only have small dirty tricks, like writing Stalin at night on the fence, and looking around to hurry away. Well tell me how the story He will remember the same Medvedev? Loser and 6. Putin is not in my head not in train, Borka-NO COMMENT, Misha Mechnyi also has nothing to comment on, the former head of SUPERPOWER has flushed to Germany turned into a total insignificance and advertises roofing felts toppers pizza .. And how all these people look compared to Stalin, in my opinion the answer is obvious.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 18 2013 18: 31 New
      -3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Putin is not in the head not in the train

      But when his term of presidency expires, then it’s comparable. Do I look smarter than all of them together? I'm sure people like you can offend everyone only with a glass of vodka. I suppose you brag and praise that you would seem better than others.
  22. Nitup
    Nitup April 18 2013 13: 52 New
    +3
    All this is complicated and ambiguous. In the days of Stalin, he was exalted and created a cult of personality, and themselves, under the cover of this, engaged in reprisal against each other. Stalin did not have complete power in the country until the 40s. The system was Trotskyist. And if he would then openly go against the whole system, he would be easily dared. All this is very reminiscent of the current situation in which Putin is.
  23. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 18 2013 14: 05 New
    +4
    If I'm wrong, justify at least request
  24. Vtel
    Vtel April 18 2013 15: 02 New
    +7
    Those people who vehemently condemn Stalin, primarily for the repression, follow the critical attitude towards Stalin of the most fierce persecutors of faith and the Church of Christ in our history of the twentieth century - Trotsky and Khrushchev, as well as Western "fans of Orthodoxy."
    One of Stalin’s “crimes” that the “whistleblower” Khrushchev accused him of was “flirting with the Church.”
    For the "cunning Byzantine," as Churchill once called Stalin, for tactical reasons he had to be called the "faithful disciple of Lenin."
    But if Lenin and Stalin are essentially the same thing, then why aren’t the remains of Stalin more than half a century in the mausoleum, and the mummy of Lenin has been safely there to this day? Why in our country there is not a single monument to Stalin, not a single street named after him, and Lenin's avenues, squares, streets, metro stations, monuments stand from the Baltic to the Bering Strait?
    The devil’s hatred of Stalin is also explained by the fact that anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox forces spent the whole XNUMXth century, and even earlier, doing their “hellish work” on the decomposition of the Orthodox-monarchist system, the consciousness of Russian people and the way of Russian life. They managed to make devastating revolutions at the beginning of the twentieth century. Having finally seized power, they set about the destruction of historical Russia and its people - and suddenly the national liberation struggle of the Russian people began, and, from a completely unexpected side, it was led by the first Bolshevik in the country with like-minded people. And they managed to slow down, somehow stop the process of destruction of Russian statehood, the Russian spirit and even strengthen and raise all the foundations of the Russian people: statehood, army, science, culture, education, family, and finally, the Orthodox Church is the worst thing for the devil, for our enemies. And even - oh horror! - to deal with the punishers of the people, the "red terrorists."
    How not to be hatred? For them, Stalin is a symbol of their defeat, and a symbol of retribution, and a symbol of the fortress of a truly Russian state - not by name, but by spirit.
  25. NIK 163
    NIK 163 April 18 2013 15: 08 New
    10
    Name at least one politician who in 30 years created one of the best industrialized countries from the peasant-maw country destroyed by three wars. Who was the first in space also doesn’t need to be reminded. It’s just that any greyness like Khrushchev and Gorby eats envy — they only learned to destroy it, therefore, they began to ban this name. No one is safe from mistakes, but if the goal is achieved, then this is the main thing. These Leberasts, led by the EBN, have killed no less than the Russian people, in particular, I had to by their mercy abandon everything I had acquired with my wife and two young children and with two suitcases to leave their small Motherland in Central Asia and move to Russia. But where their fruits of work are not plowed fields, destroyed factories, a demographic catastrophe throughout the country, rampant drunkenness and drug addiction, a collapse of education. I somehow imagined democracy differently .A satie +
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 18 2013 15: 11 New
      -11
      The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 18 2013 18: 25 New
        -5
        Quote: Wasserfall
        The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.

        Now Shuvalova was listening, so he was talking about China (he was there recently), they say let's take the Chinese model .. and he says - medetsina in China is FULLY paid, from birth, no privileges. There is no pension, roads are paid, etc., Shuval says - they say they tell me that in China there are high-quality roads, well, they have almost everything paid, medical medicine is 100% paid ... this money goes to high-quality roads.
        for Russia (Shuvalov says) you don’t need to copy any models, they are not acceptable for Russia. Here we are sitting, here is the decree from afar, in Kaliningrad and Khabarosvka they react differently to this decree .. we have a huge country because many Soviet foundations in social workers are still working. We will not copy or borrow something from someone, we have our own model of the economy.
        what was better in Japan? what was better there? for this best they work hard like dads carla. if you want to live well, then work hard and hard.
        1. Waterfall
          Waterfall April 18 2013 19: 09 New
          -3
          Quote: djon3volta
          this money goes to quality roads.

          So, the quality of roads does not improve with financing volumes.
          Quote: djon3volta
          what was better in japan? what was better there?

          Virtually everything. By the way, and if it was so good in the USSR, then why did they only try to escape from it, but not the other way around (applies to the entire social block in general)?
          Quote: djon3volta
          , we have our own model of economy

          "Energy superpower," again?
      2. antidote
        antidote April 18 2013 19: 14 New
        +4
        But you didn’t think how much money was invested in the German economy and I poured the United States. In truth, they removed the gold reserves of Germany. And they also tested a nuclear bomb
      3. rodevaan
        rodevaan April 19 2013 13: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Wasserfall
        The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.


        - That's when it’s superficial to chat, not thinking what you’re chatting about - it’s much easier to “joke”, right? And now the question of the Japs - They never asked the question - WHY happened because you deigned to write here?
        No need to answer, because I already know what will be written in response. I will answer for you. No, it’s not because Japs are so super-smart-awesome, and not because they’re supposedly “working like Karl’s dads” (I was in Japan at work and I know that they work no more than you and me), and not because that they have a super-duper developed industry, and others like "know-how" and other blah blah blah ... This is a morbidity for children in the sandbox.
        After the Second World War, Japan, as the losing side, and who signed the unconditional surrender, was an obedient toy in the hands of the United States, and had no right to speak out against the Pin-gotan decisions that were made with respect to Japan - namely, 1. Full provision its territory under the military needs of the SS.P. Placement of amer bases, airfields, radars, and other military facilities; 2. Carrying out anti-Soviet and Russophobic policies; 3. Full and unconditional approval and maintenance of US policy at the official level; 4. Unhindered access to their technologies and resource capacities of Amer’s companies and financial tycoons. In response, Pin-dostan pledged to protect the interests of Japan, and to make huge financial injections into the economy of the former enemy, destroyed by the war. That is, there was a complete submission and vassalization of Yamato in all respects. The Japs became a dependent kingdom, which sacrificed sovereignty for the political and strategic goals of the United States. In fact, they tried to do the same (and almost did!) And in our shameful 90s, degenerate crap, licking the ass to the west and the United States. Only not as a result of a hot war (because it’s more expensive to fight with us), but through civil chaos, devastation and dismemberment into specific principalities. This monstrous project was called Perestroika.
        So vassal Japan received a sufficient amount of funds and financial injections from America, which was not destroyed by the war, which profited from the war as best it could, so that over the 30 years it would quickly and with the help of Amer help raise and develop its economy, industry, science, and the auto industry. In other words, Uncle Sam generously gifted his Japanese and Heman (this is about the German “miracle revival” after the war) prostitute with money, while the one who endured the terrible War of the USSR got out of ruin and chaos himself, by his own forces and means! And no uncle Sam of the USSR helped, but, on the contrary, did everything for his final destruction! But the Russian Great People, and then the Great, - that in this situation too, without outside help, was able to raise the country to its feet, despite the general anger and hatred of the Western-born idiots, to make this country the strongest world power and successfully develop and fight for its interests.
        Like this. So we don’t need to glue and present us with the “great and miraculous” mind of the Japs, and the “great economic miracle” of the Fritz, which did not come out of nowhere, but logically appeared as a result of the constant ringing of coins in Uncle Sam’s wallet.
  26. Bator79
    Bator79 April 18 2013 18: 54 New
    +3
    I know that when I am gone, not one tub of dirt will be poured on my head. But I am sure that the wind of history will dispel all this. I.V. Stalin
  27. Bator79
    Bator79 April 18 2013 18: 59 New
    +2
    It was Stalin who returned the post of Patriarch to the Russian Orthodox Church. It was Stalin who returned the epaulettes of the Soviet Army from the time of the Russian Empire during the Second World War
  28. antidote
    antidote April 18 2013 19: 19 New
    10
    JV Stalin will forever go down in the history of Russia as one of the greatest leaders. And none of the small mongrel will be able to obscure his greatest contribution to the development of the state!
  29. razved
    razved April 18 2013 21: 09 New
    +4
    Whatever they say about Stalin: good or bad, etc. He is GREAT !!! And what he did for the country is difficult to overestimate ....
  30. воронов
    воронов April 18 2013 21: 27 New
    +5
    Everything goes to the idea that in Russia the ideas of IV Stalin win !!!
  31. zambo
    zambo April 19 2013 08: 22 New
    +1
    Our answer to the liberals.
  32. zambo
    zambo April 19 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    And another blow to the head of the pro-Westerners.
  33. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 19 2013 08: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Kaa
    Quote: Trapper7
    The same Trotsky, for example, wasn’t shot,

    Humanity was shown by the ice ax Trotsky’s Judas, and finally dubbed his involvement in the USSR, Mercader denied that the cause of Lev Bronstein was walking too wide on the planet. Well, what did you attribute to Litvinov? A faithful Stalinist, only when it came to negotiations with the Germans did he have to take his nationality into account. But he wasn’t, he wasn’t involved, he didn’t participate, why touch him?

    Litvinov, this is the "box office of the revolution" since the time of the "first London congresses." Do you really think that "foreign investors of revolutions" gave money to anyone?
  34. rodevaan
    rodevaan April 19 2013 13: 12 New
    +4
    Gentlemen, as expected, there were literate men who answer all arguments with the well-known liberoid phrase - like "workaholics" -Fritzes and "thoughtful" -Japs as a result of unique "economic miracles" lived in a wonderful paradise, in contrast to the "scoop" who didn't have Coca-Cola or popcorn.
    I already answered above, but especially for such truth-gifted woodcutters of the truth - I am writing the answer. All of the above is equally relevant for Germany:

    No, this is not because Japs are so super-smart-awesome, and not because they are supposedly “working like Karl’s dads” (I was in Japan at work and I know that they work no more than you and me), and not because that after the war they had a super-duper developed industry, and others like "know-how" and other blah blah blah ... This is a pain for children in the sandbox.
    After World War II, Japan (like Germany), as the loser, and who signed the unconditional surrender, was an obedient toy in the hands of the United States, and had no right to speak against the Pin-gotan decisions that were made with respect to Japan - namely - 1. Full provision of its territory for the military needs of the school. Placement of amer bases, airfields, radars, and other military facilities; 2. Carrying out anti-Soviet and Russophobic policies; 3. Full and unconditional approval and maintenance of US policy at the official level; 4. Unhindered access to their technologies and resource capacities of Amer’s companies and financial tycoons. In response, Pin-dostan pledged to protect the interests of Japan, and to make huge financial injections into the economy of the former enemy, destroyed by the war. That is, there was a complete submission and vassalization of Yamato in all respects. The Japs became a dependent kingdom, which sacrificed sovereignty for the political and strategic goals of the United States. In fact, they tried to do the same (and almost did!) And in our shameful 90s, degenerate crap, licking the ass to the west and the United States. Only not as a result of a hot war (because it’s more expensive to fight with us), but through civil chaos, devastation and dismemberment into specific principalities. This monstrous project was called Perestroika.
    So vassal Japan received a sufficient amount of funds and financial injections from America, which was not destroyed by the war, which profited from the war as best it could, so that over the 30 years it would quickly and with the help of Amer help raise and develop its economy, industry, science, and the auto industry. In other words, Uncle Sam generously endowed his Japanese and Heman prostitute with money, while the one who endured the terrible War of the USSR got out of ruin and chaos himself, by his own forces and means! And no uncle Sam of the USSR helped, but, on the contrary, did everything for his final destruction! But the Russian Great People, and then the Great, - that in this situation too, without outside help, was able to raise the country to its feet, despite the general anger and hatred of the Western-born idiots, to make this country the strongest world power and successfully develop and fight for its interests.
    Like this. So there is no need to glue here, present us with the "great and miraculous" mind of the Japs, and the "great economic miracle" of the Fritz, which did not come out of nowhere, but logically appeared as a result of the constant ringing of coins in the wallet of the overseas lord.
    It is logical to assume that people who raised their own farm destroyed by enemies on their own did not live in such greenhouse conditions as lap-dogs fed by the owner?
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 19 2013 16: 57 New
      0
      Well said!