Today's Stalin is a monastery where Russian people heal their wounds.

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Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin continues to be the most relevant historical figure in modern Russia. This is recognized even by sworn enemies, on whom the name of Stalin makes the same impression as a cross on vampires. They immediately begin to turn pale, shake, spew curses and come up with utter fables. For ordinary Russian people, on the contrary, with the name of Stalin there is a hope that not everything is lost, justice will prevail, and the parasites of the world behind the scenes and domestic embezzlers will still get theirs.

Writer Alexander Prokhanov assesses the phenomenon of Stalin:

“My friends asked me:“ Who is Stalin yesterday, today and tomorrow? ”And this rather rhetorical and non-academic question made me think. And that's what came to my mind.

I think that Stalin yesterday, that is, yesterday’s real Stalin, is a hyperrealist. This is a man who brilliantly knew and understood reality in its dynamics, in its movement. He operated with a colossal number of phenomena, facts. He managed to build these facts, he managed to foresee them. He created combinations of these vast arrays of real phenomena, both domestic and global.

Moreover, his knowledge about metaphysical reality was included in this reality. It was not just the reality of the two-dimensional world, the two-dimensional environment, it was also a kind of transcendent reality. It was knowledge about the reality that is formed, speaking pompously, in Heaven, and then projected into earth reality, where wars, revolutions, lawsuits, the construction of giant factories, the development of territories take place. There are such phenomena as great victories, as well as great defeats. All this is a projection of phenomena occurring somewhere in Heaven, somewhere in other worlds.

Due to this hyperrealistic knowledge, Stalin beat all his opponents. I am not talking about party opponents such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Kamenev. He beat them and, of course, brutally beat them, dealt with them, and for this you had to have a cybernetic idea of ​​the political processes of intra-party dynamics.

He outplayed opponents like Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, Mussolini. He outplayed all the leading politicians in Europe and the world. He beat Mao Zedong. He did this only because he possessed knowledge that they did not possess. He was able to see the moments that they had not yet experienced. Therefore, Stalin of the past is a hyperrealist, which apparently was not and will not appear soon.

Stalin of today is the Stalin myth. Stalin returned to us in our worldviews, in our political culture, not as a real person, not as a person who spoke at congresses, created a new weapon, the man who led the hardest world game. He came to us as a myth in which today's Russian tribe is saved, in which today's Russian people are saved, the Russian people - trampled, robbed, deprived of their state. The people who were taken away from his greatness, his historical fate. A nation that is said to be not a nation at all. And this wounded, tormented people hiding in Stalin, as they used to hide in monasteries during the invasions.

Today's Stalin is a monastery where Russian people heal their wounds.

Therefore, today's Stalin is a monastery in which the Russian people are hiding, where he heals his wounds, where he is again saturated with the spirit of resistance and victory. The monastery, where he takes down his shrines, tablets, relics, where he prays, where he prepares for new battles. The monastery, from which he goes into the field on underground tunnels and fights there, fights and strikes at the enemy.

This is the mythological significance of Stalin. Stalin is not important as a carrier of specific characteristic features. These features are not useful for the construction of today's life, and another will be useful - its mythological significance, which fully corresponds to the Russian ideas about the leader, about the state, about the leader, about the winner, about the victor, about the savior. So Stalin is us today.

Stalin of tomorrow, apparently, will again change its meaning, its form, its role. I suspect that, perhaps, in the future, when Russia will again begin to build its new state, a new empire, an empire of a new type, when Russian civilization, flitting this black hole separating it from the fourth Red Stalinist empire, will start to clothe itself in new institutions, New structures, new technologies, a new ideology, which is different from both today's ideology and yesterday’s ideology, then Stalin will have a completely different role.

I think that Stalin in twenty, thirty, and maybe in a hundred years will be rethought by Russian historians, Russian theologians, Russian thinkers. They will understand what he has done to save Russian civilization as much as, perhaps, no one else has done, and that Stalin is the miracle-worker of the Victory. Due to these circumstances, due to the fact that this mystical victory of 1945 of the year was won by Stalin, perhaps by that time such boards would appear on which his face would be written, and a golden halo would shine around his head ...

I do not exclude that Stalin will not just be a saint, he will be a holy martyr, because the idea of ​​murder, that Stalin was killed, destroyed, is becoming more and more apparent. He died a martyr's death for the Russian state. This Stalin - holy martyr - will shine over this imminent, non-existent Russia, and shine it with its light, its will, its love and its such sublime, some kind of ecclesiastical Russian beauty and strength. ”
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  1. +10
    April 18 2013 06: 34
    Oh, not a simple topic, the author touched on, not unambiguous. How many "+" and "-" there will be "broken" now, for this alone THANKS to the author. And an interesting move, to divide Stalin into the former, the present and the future ... And I think that in some ways he is certainly right. Article "+1"
    1. +19
      April 18 2013 06: 42
      Oh, the author did not touch upon a simple topic, but not unambiguous.
      Simple or not, but nonetheless many thanks to the patriot-Prokhanov for his clear and clear understanding of Stalin’s personality in the past, present and future. And I am sure that for most people who do not care about the history of Russia, and the country itself, these thoughts of the writer are quite in tune with their thoughts.
      1. Alexey K.
        -18
        April 18 2013 13: 24
        Dear people. You must have arrived from Mars or just left the tundra. What is Stalin? What is the salvation of Russia with the help of Stalin? Are you Ivana who do not remember kinship? Why did they forget Prince Alexander Nevsky, the merchant Kuzma Minin and Prince Dmitry Pozharsky, Emperor Alexander III - the great statesmen and patriots of their Fatherland - and they remembered the killer of the Russian people. WE REALLY HAVE EARS AND DO NOT HEAR, HAVE EYES AND DO NOT SEE.

        In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik state, in the formation and development of which Stalin played such an important role. Let me remind you that on January 22, 1918, the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church adopted a message from Patriarch Tikhon on January 19, 1918, which refers to the excommunication of people of the Orthodox faith who are involved in the murders of innocent people and in persecution of the Church. This anathematically accepted anathema was never canceled by the Church, and therefore such active leaders of the Bolshevik regime, as Lenin, Stalin, and the others who were Orthodox in their baptism, are excommunicated. Of course, the persecution of the Bolshevik regime against the Church had a number of stages. The most bloody, most terrible stages of persecution (persecution of the periods from 1929 to 1933 and from 1936 to 1942) occur precisely at the time when Stalin already received full power in the party and state. It was as a result of these two stages of persecution that the largest local Church of the Orthodox world was almost completely destroyed. It is enough to say that, according to the official rehabilitation commission under the President of the Russian Federation, only in 1937, 85 thousand clergymen were executed. Thus, we must recognize that the most widespread and bloody persecution of the Church, which took place from the late 20s to the early 40s, occurred at a time when all power in the party and state was already concentrated in the hands of Stalin .

        Who wants to read more here is the link: http://azbyka.ru/news/stalin_i_pravoslavnaja_cerkov.shtml
        1. +6
          April 18 2013 14: 52
          Quote: Alexey K.
          In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik states

          May be...
          It is possible ...
          But today, the image of I.V. Stalin is closer and more understandable than the church and the Russian Orthodox Church, in particular.
          Why - a separate topic for discussion.
        2. Rrv
          Rrv
          +7
          April 18 2013 14: 58
          Myth-making, please?

          Not only do you attribute to the account of the "bloody" Stalin all the priests who died, both for natural reasons, and who were shot by red and white, pulled up by their own parishioners, who died during the occupation, from hunger and disease, etc. etc., so also give "exact" figures, referring to the rehabilitation commission.
          Only now this commission has not published such figures anywhere.

          You also "modestly" omit in your post - for what exactly you were shot:

          metrolog.org.ua/PrayForHitler


          Information for consideration (if truth is important to you, of course, and not the opportunity to denigrate Stalin’s name in any way and whitewash a black male represented by a corrupt commercial organization):

          kuraev.ru/smf/index.php?topic=376827.0

          www.17marta.com/?p=3595
          1. consul
            0
            April 18 2013 15: 25
            Meeting of Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich) with fighters and commanders of the Red Army during the transfer of tanks
            Filter at least a little of your information.
          2. consul
            0
            April 18 2013 15: 28
            Meeting of Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich) with fighters and commanders of the Red Army during the transfer of tanks
            Filter at least a little of your information.
          3. Alexey K.
            -3
            April 18 2013 17: 54
            Dear RRV. Or dear - judging by ava.
            Metropolitan Seraphim is a foreign church at that time and has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church. So if you write the answer, then at least be competent in this. Do not confuse traitors with those who honestly did their duty.

            And here is an appeal to you for the general development of Metropolitan Sergius at that time the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. (By the way, he addressed the people in the morning of June 22, and our "dear" Stalin only five days later, when his pants were probably dry)

            In recent years, we, the inhabitants of Russia, have consoled ourselves with the hope that a military fire that has swept almost the whole world will not affect our country. But fascism, recognizing by law only bare power and used to mock the high demands of honor and morality, turned out to be true to itself this time too. The fascist robbers attacked our homeland. Flouting all sorts of contracts and promises, they suddenly fell upon us, and now the blood of civilians is already irrigating our native land. The times of Batu, German knights, Charles of Sweden, Napoleon are repeated. The miserable descendants of the enemies of Orthodox Christianity want to once again try to bring our people to their knees before untruth, to force him to sacrifice the blessing and integrity of his homeland, the blood covenants of love for his country.

            But this is not the first time that the Russian people have to endure such tests. With God's help, this time too, he will scatter the fascist enemy power to dust. Our ancestors did not lose heart in a worse situation, because they remembered not their personal dangers and benefits, but their sacred duty to their homeland and faith and emerged victorious.

            Let us not shame their glorious name, and we are Orthodox, dear to them both in the flesh and in faith. The fatherland is defended by arms and a common national feat, by its general willingness to serve the fatherland in the difficult hour of trial with everything that anyone can. Here it is the work of the workers, peasants, scientists, women and men, young men and the elderly. Everyone can and should contribute to the overall feat their share of labor, care and art.
            1. Alexey K.
              0
              April 18 2013 17: 55
              Continuation of the message:

              Let us recall the holy leaders of the Russian people, for example, Alexander Nevsky, Dimitri Donskoy, who laid down their souls for the people and their homeland. And not only the leaders did it. Let us recall the innumerable thousands of ordinary Orthodox warriors, whose unknown people the Russian people immortalized in their glorious legend about the heroes Ilya Muromets, Dobryn Nikitich and Alyosha Popovich, who routed the Nightingale the Robber.

              Our Orthodox Church has always shared the fate of the people. Together with him she carried tests, and was comforted by his successes. She will not leave her people now. She blesses the blessing of heaven and the upcoming national feat.

              If for someone, then we need to remember the commandment of Christ: "Greater love is no one else to love, but whoever sets his soul for his own." It is not only the one who will be killed on the battlefield for his people and his good who believes his soul, but also anyone who sacrifices himself, his health or profit for the sake of his homeland. To us, the pastors of the Church, at a time when the fatherland calls on everyone to exploit, it would be unworthy to only tacitly look at what is happening around us, not to encourage the faint-hearted, not to console the saddened, hesitant not to remind of the duty and the will of God. And if, in addition, the silence of the shepherd, his non-contact with the flock being lived on, is also explained by crafty considerations about the possible benefits on the other side of the border, then this will be a direct betrayal of the homeland and its pastoral duty, since the Church needs a shepherd who carries out his service truly “for Jesus’s sake” and not for the sake of kusa bread, ”as St. Demetrius of Rostov put it. Let us put our souls together with our flock. Countless thousands of our Orthodox warriors, who laid down their lives for their homeland and faith at all times of the invasion of enemies by our homeland, went through selflessness. They were dying, not thinking of glory, they only thought that their homeland needed a sacrifice on their part, and humbly sacrificed everything and their own lives.

              The Church of Christ blesses all Orthodox to defend the sacred borders of our country.

              The Lord grants us victory.

              Patriarchal Locum Tenens
              humble sergius, metropolitan
              Moscow and Kolomensky
              1. Rrv
                Rrv
                +9
                April 18 2013 20: 02
                Dear Aleksey, the ava depicts a pig butchering two kebab lovers who came to cut it - my name is Roman, we will be familiar.

                Now to the topic: since you decided to go into formalism, you are forced to recall that Metropolitan Seraphim came from the Orthodox catholic Greek-Russian church, that is, the church whose ministers, in your opinion, were massively destroyed by the Bolsheviks and Stalin.

                For objective reasons, he really does not formally have any relation to the Russian Orthodox Church, but these reasons are that until the 43rd year the Russian Orthodox Church simply did not exist, but this fact does not mean that Seraphim ceased to be an Orthodox Christian, albeit a traitor. And here the question arises - and what quality should the organization have brought up Seraphim and his ilk within its walls?

                As for the "murderer" of Stalin and his relations with the hierarchs, then re-read the speech of Alexy 1 in the Yelokhovsky Cathedral: if Stalin is a murderer of priests, then the patriarch who spoke of Stalin in a spirit of deep respect is a two-faced traitor of the faith, fawning at the dead murderer. If he is not a traitor and spoke rightly, then you, in terms of non-existent figures of invented murders, are definitely lying.
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv
                  +3
                  April 18 2013 21: 03
                  By the way, Alexei, I somehow missed the fact that you disliked Stalin specifically because of priests-criminals.

                  What is the result - you don't give a damn about "tens of millions" of "innocently murdered" lay people ?! belay )))
                  1. Alexey K.
                    -4
                    April 18 2013 21: 19
                    Roman, if you are so competent, read the decision of the Council of Bishops of 2000 on the glorification of the new martyrs and confessors of Russia, there are clergy and ordinary believers who were innocently killed and tortured in camps. sarcasm and irony about this are inappropriate. It is interesting that you would write if among your people would be your near and dear ones.
                2. Alexey K.
                  -7
                  April 18 2013 21: 10
                  Dear Roman, they did not destroy traitors, but those who honestly served God. And if a person sins grossly, then he himself falls away from the church and this does not harm the holiness of the church. If a sinned person brings repentance and corrects his life in accordance with the Christian commandments, then he again joins the church. Remember Judas who was with the Lord Jesus Christ and betrayed Him. From your logic it follows that the Lord raised him like that? Each person has the right to choose and he chooses with whom to be. And don't worry about the "quality of the organization" - the Russian Orthodox Church looks up to the Lord and its saints, St. Sergius of Radonezh, St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Alexander Nevsky and many others.
                  There is no hypocrisy at the expense of the patriarch’s speech at the funeral of comrade Stalin - it says that the greats of this world will sooner or later have to go to another world and how Christ crucified on the cross prayed for his killers saying “Forgive them, Father, for they they don’t know what they are doing! so should we pray for our persecutors.
                  Here's another story:
                  On August 31, 1943, the Head of the Russian Church, Metropolitan Sergius returned from Ulyanovsk to Moscow, from which by that time the front had rolled far to the West. Soon Metropolitan Alexy of Leningrad arrived in the capital. On September 4, Metropolitans Sergius, Alexy, and Nikolai were invited to the Kremlin to meet with Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars I.V. Stalin. A conversation took place, in which Deputy Prime Minister V.M. Molotov also took part. The conversation began Molotov. He said that the Government wants to know the needs of the Church. One of the modern publications reproduces the description of this conversation made by A.E. Krasnov-Levitin, who could learn about its contents from the words of Metropolitan Nikolai. “The Metropolitan (Sergius - V.Ts.) spoke calmly, slightly stuttering, in the businesslike tone of a man who was used to talking about serious things with the most senior people. When Stalin was a seminarian, Metropolitan Sergius was already in the rank of bishop, rector of the St. Petersburg Theological Academy. The metropolitan pointed out the need for the wide opening of churches, the number of which does not completely satisfy the religious needs of the people. He also stated the need to convene the Council and elect the Patriarch. Finally, he stated the need for a wide opening of theological educational institutions, since the Church does not have cadre cadres. Here, Stalin suddenly broke the silence: “Why do you have no personnel?” he asked, taking a pipe from his mouth and staring at his interlocutors. Alexy and Nikolai were embarrassed ... everyone knew that the cadres were “killed” in the camps. But Metropolitan Sergius was not embarrassed. The old man replied: “We have no personnel for various reasons. One of them: we are preparing a priest, and he becomes Marshal of the Soviet Union. ” A satisfied smile touched the mouth of the dictator. He said: “Yes, yes, how so. I am a seminarian. I heard then about you. ” Do you think this is hypocrisy?
                  At the expense of non-existent figures and invented murders. Yes, of course the churches themselves exploded from nothing to do. And Comrade Stalin, in general, a saint, he cared for people and sent them to resorts - to improve their health. (the scheme of resorts is attached)
                  1. +6
                    April 18 2013 22: 25
                    Alex again for you
                    For starters, read Karpov "Generalissimo", Mukhin "Why Stalin was killed", go to the site http://stalinism.ru/,http://delostalina.ru/- and do not forget the fact that Stalin graduated from theological seminary. So a lot of what the Trotskyists and others like them had done under the brand name "Stalin", because they knew that they were not responsible for it.
                  2. Rrv
                    Rrv
                    +6
                    April 18 2013 22: 30
                    Alexey, fortunately in our country there was a rather long period when the church did not solve anything, as a result of which both you and I were trained to read and write.

                    As for all kinds of cathedrals, forgive me, but without irony there is nothing - what is the cost of the disappearance of the saints from the calendar of the Russian Orthodox Church: izvestia.ru/news/541605
                    And just those who, in your opinion, suffered for the faith during the repressions disappeared - how can one not laugh here? )))

                    If my family and friends were among the repressed, then the first thing I would do would be to study the reasons why they ended up there. And if it turned out that they broke the law, then I would have a feeling of shame for my loved ones, and not a feeling of hatred for their, if I may say so, "the executioners."
                    If they were innocent, then this would be an occasion to find out who exactly was to blame (committed a forgery, slander, etc.), but by no means an unproven reason to blame anyone for what happened.
                    One gets the impression that you are either not aware of what you planted and shot at that time, or you consciously substitute facts, and this is already a sin of perjury. )))

                    He sinned and repented: Mr. Gundyaev somehow accepted from the rabbi an object of religious symbolism, and Mr. Putin, who was serving in the main temple of the country, deigned to bite the Jewish Easter. According to the 70th rule of the holy apostles, Mr. Gundyaev must be overthrown, and Mr. Putin excommunicated, but nothing like this happened. Where is the holy church looking, eh? In general, we can talk about scripture and tradition separately. )))

                    Further: Suppose in the person of Alexei 1 Christian mercy manifested itself - well, now have you forgotten about it? What is the situation with a dead lion, jackals and a distortion of facts?
                    Can you give a link to official documents on the extensive text you cited, or is this another myth from the category of icons flying over Moscow and Stalin’s flight to visit blind women?
                    Do you have documents on the number of blown up churches, the reasons for these explosions, and Stalin’s attitude to the latter?

                    And by the way - some leaders are really trying to canonize Stalin, which is somewhat annoying. However, it is not clear why exactly you are against? As far as I understand, you had nothing against the canonization of Nikolai, nicknamed the "bloody" one. Is this a double Christian morality again?
                  3. folds
                    +1
                    April 19 2013 11: 48
                    And if a person seriously sins, then he himself falls away from the church and the holiness of the church does not harm it either.
                    - In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s cooler, they leave at their own request a day before sin :)
            2. +14
              April 18 2013 19: 32
              Quote: Alexey K.
              And here is an appeal to you for the general development of Metropolitan Sergius at that time the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. (By the way, he addressed the people in the morning of June 22, and our "dear" Stalin only five days later, when his pants were probably dry)

              What did Stalin do in the first five days:
              JUNE 23 Stalin in the morning tried to contact the commander of the troops of the Western Front Pavlov. Then - with Shaposhnikov, Kulik and Zhukov, who went to the front. On the same day, the Headquarters of the High Command was created, headed by the People's Commissar of Defense S.K. Tymoshenko.
              ON JUNE 24, Stalin was engaged in debugging the information mechanism: on his personal initiative, the Central Committee of the party and the government adopted a joint resolution “On the creation and tasks of the Soviet Information Bureau”.
              On the same day he created the Evacuation Council. It was headed by completely unauthorized Shvernik and Kosygin, but even the most authoritative people's commissars instantly carried out his orders: everyone knew that in fact the work of this Council was supervised by Stalin himself.
              On the same day, he called the People's Commissar of Communications of the USSR Peresypkin, questioned about the state of communications with the fronts, republican and regional centers. We discussed the work of the Moscow communications center. The People’s Commissariat, Telegraph and the Central International Telephone Station were located in the same building on Gorky Street. If only one bomb hit it, one could lose contact in many directions at once.
              ON JUNE 25, Stalin and Shaposhnikov signed the Headquarters directive “On the Formation and Tasks of the Army Group of the High Command Reserve” with headquarters in Bryansk. In fact, Stalin took into account the threat of the turn of Hitler troops from a central direction to the south, which was not even seen by military specialists then.
              On the same day - before the German ticks closed in Minsk - ordered the Commander Pavlov to carry out a forced withdrawal of the 3rd and 10th armies.
              On the same day, a resolution was approved “On the Organization of the Institute of Front and Army Chiefs of Defense of the Rear Services” by the NKVD troops.
              On the same day, a remarkable conversation took place. A note about him was left by Y.E. Chaadaev, then manager of the Sovnarkom of the USSR. “Tymoshenko asked Stalin whether to send his son Yakov, who is very asking there, to the front line.
              “Some,” said Stalin, holding back his anger, “to put it mildly, overly zealous workers always strive to please their superiors.” I do not rank you as such, but I advise you never to raise such questions before me. ”
              On the night of June 26, he wrote to the Military Council of the Southwestern Front that he decided to remove from the post of chief of staff of the front Baghramyan as unable to learn from the catastrophe that erupted on this front, which Stalin compared with the defeat of the Russian army in 1914 in Prussia. He further wrote about the mistakes of Tymoshenko and Khrushchev: “If we had informed the country in its entirety about the disaster with the loss of 18-20 divisions that the front has survived and continues to experience, I’m afraid that you would be very cool.”
              JUNE 26, when German tank groups were already 20 kilometers from Minsk, Stalin sent Voroshilov to the Western Front and set about organizing the defense of Moscow. He recalled Zhukov from the South-Western Front in connection with the difficult situation on the Western Front in order to find a way out of the current situation. Held a meeting with him, Tymoshenko and Vatutin.
              He ordered the advance to the front of the 16th Army.
              JUNE 27, members of the Politburo gathered at Stalin. They signed three decisions of the Central Committee: on the mobilization of communists in order to strengthen ideological and political work in the Red Army; on the procedure for the export and deployment of human contingents and valuable property; on the export from Moscow of state reserves of valuable metals, precious stones, the Diamond Fund of the USSR and the values ​​of the Kremlin Armory.

              DO NOT THINK BIKES, LEARN THE HISTORY OF YOUR HOMELAND!
              1. +3
                April 19 2013 02: 59
                Quote: Nick
                What did Stalin do in the first five days:
                1. 0
                  April 19 2013 20: 33
                  Here I am about the same, Alex. good
        3. +4
          April 18 2013 19: 18
          Quote: Alexey K.
          Dear people. You must have arrived from Mars or just left the tundra. What is Stalin? What is the salvation of Russia with the help of Stalin? Are you Ivana who do not remember kinship?

          This appeal is most suitable for you, your brains are washed out by neoliberal fictional stories about Stalin. Do not be lazy, study the facts and arguments given by the other side. I am sure your opinion about Stalin will fundamentally change ...
          1. Alexey K.
            -8
            April 18 2013 20: 19
            Of course, it’s interesting that connoisseurs of history and admirers of Comrade Stalin would say when they would work on the construction of the Belomor Canal, or five years would tumble down a forest somewhere in the Gulag?
            1. +5
              April 18 2013 20: 48
              Quote: Alexey K.
              Of course, it’s interesting that connoisseurs of history and admirers of Comrade Stalin would say when they would work on the construction of the Belomor Canal, or five years would tumble down a forest somewhere in the Gulag?
              negative
              They said what? ... About the need for construction ?, About the need for logging? About the need for the Gulag? About the need for history connoisseurs at the construction of the Belomorkanal or logging? ...
          2. -3
            April 18 2013 21: 20
            Quote: Nick
            Opinion about Stalin will fundamentally change ..

            Lying
            1. +1
              April 18 2013 23: 20
              Quote: voronov
              Lying

              You!
        4. +4
          April 18 2013 21: 21
          Quote: Alexey K.
          In order to understand the place of Stalin in Russian history, in the history of the Russian Church, it is necessary to recall the main stages of the relationship between the Church and the Bolshevik state,

          Dear Alexey! The Bolshevik state did not need the "old" Orthodox Church. And, moreover, it is deadly harmful. The new government gave the people their faith, their own religion - communist (by the way, in many respects repeating Christian). This religion was so powerful and attractive that in a few years (mind you, in the pre-information era) it was able to conquer the minds of half of the world. And now it controls the minds of half of the world, despite the collapse of the USSR, the opposition of Western Zionist liberalism and Eastern aggressive Islamism. NOBODY has yet been able to reasonably refute the Marxist postulate that socialism is the next (highest) stage in the development of society, in relation to capitalism. So, in front of us (people), or communism, or self-destruction and nothingness !! With God! (No kidding, who does not believe, read the "Moral Code of the Builder of Communism." 1. Find the differences, 2. Surprise, 3. Cross yourself, 4. Build communism
        5. Avenger711
          -3
          April 18 2013 21: 46
          ROC time to landfill in the 18th century was.
          And it’s time to cure the brain of Christ.
        6. +5
          April 18 2013 21: 52
          I advise, for the sake of understanding, to look at the role of clergy at the end of the 19-beginning of the 20 century in Russia. I will remind for the help. The church was one of the institutions of the state. Not by a certain independent force, but just so - by one of the departments. AND?
          How did the church defend Russia? How did she cope with the task of supporting the state? What about raising people? How did she feed the people? Gapon recall, Iliodora ... bring them numbers. You read historical materials, read. When viewing, I was tormented by shame, burning shame, you know how it happens - it’s not you who are ruining things with stupidity and meanness, but it’s unbearably ashamed for you ...
          And finally. Did Stalin push the tsar, the anointed of God, under his knee? no, we are not from Mars. We were born and raised here. We don’t need to hump the humpback to the wall ....
        7. 0
          April 18 2013 23: 45
          Quote: Alexey K.
          The most bloody, most terrible stages of persecution (persecution of the periods from 1929 to 1933 and from 1936 to 1942) fall precisely at the time when Stalin already received full power in the party and state. It was as a result of these two stages of persecution that the largest local Church of the Orthodox world was almost completely destroyed.

          I wanted to put a terrible photo, but I decided to just recall what happened in those years ...
    2. -1
      April 18 2013 21: 17
      Whose flag is this with you?
  2. +13
    April 18 2013 07: 54
    The article is an accurate and capacious reflection of the current status of Joseph Vissarionovich in the minds and hearts of people. Thank you for the article...
    1. +11
      April 18 2013 11: 52
      Results of voting "great people of Russia", where I.V. Stalin, by a wide margin, became the first to speak of the people's memory and the achievements that made the country a superpower!
  3. djon3volta
    -15
    April 18 2013 07: 55
    it wasn’t just Stalin’s matter. it was just that time, the people were still mostly dark, frightened, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, and so on. Such people are easy to manipulate when they (the people) know and understand nothing. take today's time, and put Stalin at the head of the country, whether they’ll lie again to do something grandiose. People are informed + globalization, the Internet, countries are enemies .. well, let's say Stalin will say that the Internet is disconnected throughout Russia so that the brains are not clogged, and TV will change what happens in the country, will shoot, plant, what will happen to people who are accustomed to freedom and permissiveness? especially shkolota is contact + classmate? there will be thousands of hamsters, heaped up, and it’s still not clear what are dissatisfied! create, only because everyone knows everything from mass media.
    can you imagine the noise that the Euroamers will make if Putin returns the tower in the form of execution? Yes, even if Navalny is put in prison (and they can really put him in), how much will it pour out on Putin? Russia will only help if a civil war starts in the United States and their entire economy will collapse, + pogroms in Europe. I don’t understand how in Spain with 26% unemployment people survive?
    1. +11
      April 18 2013 08: 23
      I’m not so sure that Stalin would deal with such trifles as to spoil firms that are engaged in ISPs. The current country is diametrically almost 100% not like the one in which Stalin ruled. They hung so much on Stalin that you wondered. It is very interesting and shocking that Comrade Khrushchev, the main exposer of the Stalin personality cult, was one of the main organizers of executions in Moscow and the Moscow Region. And his rule is quite difficult to call a thaw because political psychiatry, executions of peaceful protests in Novocherkassk, for example, are the work of Mr. Khrushchev. Stalin is usually put up in black - here he is! Look at the executioner without going into what he was actually doing. Like Mr. Putin, stating from the rostrum on behalf of the people that we are to blame and again there is no investigation. And when these speeches are made by the head of state - then each of us is to blame - that we chose our own guilt in the elections. And Putin - that Putin will not be able to return the towers - will not be given him the right to do so, the stronger Stalin looks against his background. He is not afraid.
      1. djon3volta
        -3
        April 18 2013 08: 36
        Quote: dddym
        Putin, he will not be able to return the towers - he will not be given the right to do so

        here I am about it. I have suspicions that Chubais is the main watchman in Russia, and Putin has no leverage over him. In Stalin's time, Chubais would be shot or expelled from the country, and no world community would do anything. but we live not in the 30s and 50s, and the country was different, if there is a global scandal due to some kind of busirayt, there is pressure on Russia. Here and imagine what would happen if a criminal case was instituted on Chubais, it is possible that the terrorist acts in Moscow would unscramble the government Ministry of Internal Affairs and the President. Everything is useless, political will is not enough, only because everyone knows everything and information leaks into the Internet in seconds. I have only one hope that a nuclear explosion or plague will occur in the United States or Europe and take millions of lives.
        by the way in the us again some kind of explosion or major fire occurred laughing
        1. +2
          April 18 2013 10: 35
          Quote: djon3volta
          here I am about it. I have suspicions that Chubais is the main watchman in Russia, and Putin has no leverage over him. In Stalin's time, Chubais would be shot or expelled from the country, and no world community would do anything.

          Do not worry, under Stalin there were "overseers" and "leaders". The same Trotsky, for example, was never shot, but about Litvinov, so I generally keep quiet. An untouchable figure to the very end ...
          So not everything is so simple.
          1. Kaa
            +4
            April 18 2013 11: 45
            Quote: Trapper7
            The same Trotsky, for example, wasn’t shot,

            They showed humanism - they christened Trotsky as an ice pick, and Mercader denied his involvement in the USSR - the case of Lev Bronstein was too widespread across the planet. Well, how did you attribute Litvinov here? A faithful Stalinist, only when it came to negotiations with the Germans did he have to take into account his nationality. And so he wasn’t, wasn’t involved, didn’t participate, why should he be “touched”?
            1. -1
              April 18 2013 19: 09
              Only you do not know his pre-revolutionary money dealings
    2. +13
      April 18 2013 08: 33
      "..., the people were still dark, mostly, intimidated, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, etc."
      But do not you think that the "illiterate" people people were much better versed in the surrounding reality, as they lived with their own brains, and not imposed stereotypes. Stalin did not have such means of fooling as he does now.
      "... will shoot, plant, what will happen to people who are accustomed to freedom and permissiveness?"
      No one was shot for freedom, but they will have to be punished for permissiveness. Do not mix these two concepts, and do not confuse free people and professional freedom fighters.
      IMHO.
      1. djon3volta
        -5
        April 18 2013 09: 02
        Quote: engineer74
        The "illiterate" people of the people were much better versed in the surrounding reality, since they lived with their own brains, and not imposed stereotypes.

        right, but now all the "smart" are such that try to prohibit them something. everything is useless. information flows intoxicates people, because there are no prohibitions. and prohibitions are difficult to impose when everyone sees and knows everything, try to prohibit it. only a global catastrophe with millions victims will shake people and world leaders, as it was after the end of the Great Patriotic War in 1945, otherwise we will continue to go with the flow like logs in the inform war.
        1. +5
          April 18 2013 09: 19
          "... and now all the" smart "ones are such that try to forbid them something. Everything is useless. Information flows intoxicate people, because there are no bans."
          I agree, I’ll only add that an excess of information (regardless of reliability and direction) disorientates no worse than its lack.
          "only a global catastrophe with millions of victims will shake people and world leaders, as it was after the end of the Second World War in 1945."
          I think that the current rampant of "European humanism" and tolerance, we, to some extent, are obliged to the First and Second World Wars - the cleanest and strongest people died in them, plus the "waste" after the sea of ​​blood.
          1. djon3volta
            +4
            April 18 2013 10: 18
            Quote: engineer74
            I think that the current rampant of "European humanism" and tolerance, we, to some extent, are obliged to the First and Second World Wars - the cleanest and strongest people died in them, plus the "waste" after the sea of ​​blood.

            It is due to the revolutions and two world wars against Russia that all of Europe and the United States only live. It’s time to understand it all. If you restrain them, they will bend in a few years, and their entire electronic and exchange / speculative economy will collapse! they’ll be fine They understand that it’s because of small and large wars that they keep afloat. But this will not happen all the time, there is nothing permanent and eternal, justice and truth will triumph anyway, and soon, I’m sure that by 2020.
            1. +6
              April 18 2013 15: 03
              Quote: djon3volta
              after a few years, and their entire electronic and exchange / speculative economy will collapse! they understand this very well. It’s because of the small and large wars that they keep afloat

              In order not to swim in this world with "logs", you must have independent, from no one DEPENDING economy with a well-developed PRODUCTION base and QUALIFIED personnel at all LEVELS, starting with the state apparatus (does not resemble anything?), and everything else - from the "evil one".
              And finally. The topic was already discussed at the beginning of the year on the "wave" of the discussion of the renaming of Volgograd into Stalingrad and the personality of JV Stalin in particular.
              hi
      2. Grishka100watt
        +4
        April 18 2013 10: 10
        Hello.

        And you do not think that the "illiterate" people of the people were much better versed in the surrounding reality, as they lived with their own brains, and not imposed stereotypes.


        So after all, what kind of work did our overseas partners do for this !!
    3. +9
      April 18 2013 09: 01
      Quote: djon3volta
      can you imagine the noise that the Euroamers will make if Putin returns the tower in the form of execution? Yes, even if Navalny is put in prison (and they can actually put him in), how much will the city pour out on Putin?

      And how much more can you look at Euroamers? It is forbidden to interfere in the internal affairs of the country in accordance with all international laws! They will bark - let them bark, but there must be order in the country!
    4. +3
      April 18 2013 14: 54
      Quote: djon3volta
      it’s not only Stalin

      Who doesn’t love you so much, dear?
      Last night you had other epaulettes ...
      hi
    5. +5
      April 18 2013 19: 58
      Quote: djon3volta
      it wasn’t just Stalin’s matter. it was just that time, the people were still mostly dark, frightened, illiterate, there was no Internet, TV, and so on. Such people are easy to manipulate when they (the people) know and understand nothing. to take today's time, and put Stalin at the head of the country, whether they’ll lie again to do something grandiose. People informed +

      Ah ah ah! Eugene, think primitively. Stalin's greatness is seen especially clearly when, being at the head of the "illiterate" as you say, people created in just 10 years the most powerful industrial economy, which made it possible to ensure the victory of the Red Army over the German Wehrmacht, which was provided not only by the industry of Germany, but also by the entire industry of continental Europe ... When, under Stalin's leadership, the "illiterate", "dark" people, just four years after the end of the war, the second in the world, created an atomic bomb. When the USSR, the first among European countries, abolished the rationing supply system in 1947, when prices for many groups of goods were regularly reduced in the country since 1947 ...
      1. +3
        April 18 2013 23: 38
        You and Travolta seem to communicate through a Yandex translator. It seems both are right, but argue. Yes, our people are great. Yes, Stalin is great too. But it is impossible to make tracing paper for the present, the conditions of the problem have changed a lot. Although we would very much like to restore order by those methods. You will not enter the same river twice. Let's look for another river. And another ferryman. And let Stalin remain a symbol. The banner, if you will.
    6. +1
      April 18 2013 21: 51
      Quote: djon3volta
      if we take today's time and put Stalin at the head of the country, then will they lie again to do something grandiose

      I agree with you on 100%. I wanted to say the same thing, but I see - I repeat. Who is minus this obvious thought ?? In the era of global information, it is impossible to act by the methods of the Stalin era. Any serious movement of state power should now be previously provided with artillery information. And we, the Russian people, must understand what the government has gone to and raised us to attack. And that not all enemy means can be suppressed by artillery fire. And if we go into battle consciously and for a just cause, then it is clear to us that false bullets of deceit, counter-propaganda grenades will fly into us and there is the opportunity to hook the antennae of the mine with misinformation.
  4. +17
    April 18 2013 07: 57
    60 years have passed since Stalin died, and his affairs, both good and bad, are all discussed. So there is a need for this. What a howl the liberals raised about renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad, even for a few days of the anniversary of the battle of Stalingrad.
    The level of corruption and embezzlement in today's Russia partly explains why he carried out harsh purges of the highest echelons of power.
    Nevertheless, some ideas of Stalin are in demand now.
  5. +7
    April 18 2013 08: 48
    Quote: stas

    The level of corruption and embezzlement in modern Russia in part explains why he carried out harsh purges of the highest echelons of power.

    +1
  6. Gorchakov
    +12
    April 18 2013 08: 56
    Stalin, no matter how vilified he was, was and will remain the Leader who saved the country ... !!! But Gorbachev will remain Judas, a traitor who destroyed a great power, but the "iPhone" will be forgotten immediately after he is thrown off .... Do you feel the difference between the Leader, Judas and iPhone ...? I would like that next to our president there was no such shit as an iPhone, because he spoils all the positive opinion about the president ... But what about Stalin? - He was and will remain a great man of his time, and not only of his ...
  7. rodevaan
    +18
    April 18 2013 09: 18
    It's not about Stalin. More precisely, not in Stalin himself as an individual.
    The fact is that the Russian people today are tired of confusion and vacillations, tired of the fact that the country is chatting like a brown in the hole and wants the ORDER, wants a clear goal and understanding of WHERE THE COUNTRY SHOULD MOVE.
    The people are tired of the uncontrolled bureaucratic thieves, of the current corruption of lawlessness and impunity of the powerful (in society, in public life, on the roads), which under Stalin were put to the wall without talking. The people are tired of social injustice, that some who steal and atrocities in official places have everything and boast about it, and the hard workers who plow from dawn to dawn live from paycheck to paycheck.
    The people are tired of the fact that murderers, pedophiles, ruffian bandits who have influential relatives, thieves, who are pulling the people's wealth into millions and billions, are publicly released, and hungry homeless people who have stolen a loaf of bread are being stunned to the fullest extent of the law.
    The people are tired of the fact that chocks-savages, who descended from the mountains yesterday or climbed down from the trees, are allowed everything (for a big bribe, of course), and the Russians, the titular nation, are punished and oppressed in their own country for the same deeds.
    The people are tired of the ever-swearing and crushingly cancerous position of the Great and Huge country in front of the West-like imperfections in the world political arena. The people are tired and want to understand why such a huge and independent country, with such a talented population as Russia, does not want to go on its own and independent development path, and allows some kind of cronies and small Britain to read some small bubble and pseudo-democratic notations, instead of just not noticing these annoying pro-American flies.
    The people are tired and want to know why the Great History and Great victories of the Great People still spit and vilify in their own and world media, and why their own government is looking at it through their fingers and does not take any measures to suppress and uproot this Russophobic infection.

    I can still HUGE a bunch of things to list prevailing in modern Russia, from which the Russian People are incredibly tired, and which have already matured to such an extent that it is already necessary to apply radical measures to fully resolve these issues.

    That is why our people today are turning their faces to Joseph Stalin, who, for all his rigidity and ambiguity, nevertheless was able to solve most of these issues, albeit in a radical, but effective and uncompromising way. And the people are so tired of today's bacchanalia of lawlessness and permissiveness that they are more and more ready to see the personality of Stalin at the head of the country.
    1. djon3volta
      -7
      April 18 2013 09: 47
      it’s just that it’s not only Stalin’s matter. It’s necessary to take into account the time when he ruled the country and what kind of people he was then. Even if you put Stalin in our time, right now, then order will not be restored even in 2-5 years! it’s only it seems that when Stalin comes, he will plant or execute all and the people of Russia will heal happily and fairly. This was possible 50-70 years ago, in the age of information and globalization, such a turn would not be possible in the shortest possible time. Even Stalin was poisoned, no matter how fair . And how long will the new Stalin exist in our time, if he begins to abruptly change course in the country?
      1. +7
        April 18 2013 10: 43
        And so far no one is demanding a change of course.
        We need a constitutional order, and thieves should be in prison, and not in the State Duma and in bureaucratic seats!
        1. djon3volta
          -2
          April 18 2013 12: 31
          Quote: stas
          And so far no one is demanding a change of course.

          oh well nobody, you read comments in similar articles. although what are 50-100 commentators?
          look at Belarus, there is order, but the more the order, the more the stink of the Euroamers. sanctions are imposed, and the people suffer from them. In Iran, what inflation is due to sanctions? but only because they bring their own order. What sanctions can Russia to accept, in the case of restoring order in our country? when we had the order of the 90s, then the Euroamers were silent and smiling, and I don’t remember anything about DOLY YELTSIN rallies. and as soon as Putin began to put things in order, VERY PUTIN appeared. where 100 thousand rallies FOR THE LANDING OF SERDYUKOV ??? at least 1 person went out on the street with such a slogan ???
      2. +3
        April 18 2013 23: 27
        Quote: djon3volta
        even Stalin was poisoned, no matter how fair he was. how long will the new Stalin exist in our time if he begins to abruptly change course in the country?

        That is the question ...
    2. Kaa
      +7
      April 18 2013 11: 56
      Quote: rodevaan
      Russian people today are tired of confusion and vacillations,

      I absolutely agree with you. Even people who do not know much about Stalin heard that under him -
      "There was a time, and there were cellars,
      There was a time - and prices were reduced.
      And the channels flowed where needed
      And at the end, where necessary, they fell ... "
      This is what the Russian person lacks now, therefore, despite the lies, starting with Khrushchev and ending with "Memorial", "Matzo's ear", which pours on Stalin, he, his ideas, style of management are more and more in demand in society every year. it will be possible to understand his personality, his deeds, victories and miscalculations only when the post-perestroika foam and dregs subside. Then we will see the real Stalin.
      1. folds
        0
        April 19 2013 10: 58
        Or at least all the archives will be opened, and not only those that are beneficial to freaks. Although there is little left after Nikita :(
  8. +8
    April 18 2013 09: 19
    Quote: Gorchakov
    But what about Stalin? - He was and will remain a great man of his time, and not only his ...

    I looked at the report of the medveput in the Duma, the opinion of the GDP approved the report, I thought, well, where is the justice. The report is empty, it’s not the bear who is to blame, but the crisis. Well, what kind of man is this crisis?
    1. Kaa
      +6
      April 18 2013 12: 00
      Quote: valokordin
      I watched the medveput report in the Duma, the opinion of the GDP approved the report

      And we did not watch the video when Putin at a government meeting said sooooo harshly: "Either I am a bad leader, or you are all out of place here. I tend to the latter!" -at least on a couple of Ukrainian channels yesterday they played ...
      1. +3
        April 18 2013 19: 45
        Quote: valokordin
        not a bear is to blame, but a crisis

        And what to take from Dima? or someone waiting for something worthwhile from him? The boy was given an iPhone, joy is how the children are in the sandbox.
        Quote: Kaa
        Either I'm a bad leader, or you are all out of place here

        Yes, that's just the point, that not "whether". There is a cause and there is a consequence. "As the king is, such is the retinue." So Serdyukov went to the same place "at the same time, it was my subordinates who stole." Look at all this circus with clowns and become scared, but after all, the RUSSIAN STATE, DEFENDER OF THE FATHERLAND AND FAITH, then no. Yes-aaa Stalin is like air the country needs.
  9. +15
    April 18 2013 09: 21
    We, the older generation, have not yet realized what we have lost from Stalin's achievements, but the young people do not even know about them. And having drank capitalist "goods" up to their nostrils, they still turn to Stalin and our task is to explain to them what a socialist state is and that "Man-man is a friend, comrade and brother."
    1. rodevaan
      +9
      April 18 2013 10: 40
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      We, the older generation, have not yet realized what we have lost from Stalin's achievements, but the young people do not even know about them. And having drank capitalist "goods" up to their nostrils, they still turn to Stalin and our task is to explain to them what a socialist state is and that "Man-man is a friend, comrade and brother."


      - I totally agree with you! Although I do not belong to the older generation, in the USSR I only happened to study at school (I did not even live to see the Komsomol), but I absolutely share the values ​​that were glorified and introduced into society under the USSR. Comparing with what is "advancing" and "implanted" now.
  10. +5
    April 18 2013 09: 21
    Stalin will remain the leader, thieves will be shed, but we will find and punish them.
  11. +4
    April 18 2013 09: 24
    What is called: do not decrease not add. Creativity Prokhanov - to school.
  12. zambo
    +15
    April 18 2013 09: 28
    No comment ...
    1. rodevaan
      +3
      April 18 2013 10: 41
      Quote: zamboy
      No comment ...


      Ё ** NEW SHAME.
    2. k220150
      +3
      April 18 2013 13: 12
      Comrade Stalin could not even think of such a future. All to one - trash, intellectual trash, lumpen.
  13. mnbv199
    +11
    April 18 2013 09: 39
    Hello!
    And here Stalin expressed his opinion about government awards ...
  14. +3
    April 18 2013 10: 53
    Article offset!
  15. +6
    April 18 2013 11: 00
    In order to understand the role of I.V. Stalin in our history, it is necessary to clear all the stratification that has been superimposed on him since the time of Khrushchev! The best way to whitewash yourself, to defame your predecessor (in Ukraine, it has become fashionable to speak the language of Azarov - fern).
    However, this also applies to L.P. Beria (who was interested, he undoubtedly knows what role in the repressions played, in those days, gentlemen Voroshilov, Khrushchev, Yezhov, Vyshinsky and others. I, I will not stoop to possible remarks about the existence their point of view in the "Memorial" society, let others read them.).

    The Ukrainian proverb has long been known - Who is to blame? Daughter-in-law! So it is in history.

    I remember my grandmother told me about those times - "Two neighbors quarreled, who first ran to the NKVD remained free." History should ask the leader, but we must not forget that everyday history is created by service people.
    1. +6
      April 18 2013 11: 50
      Quote: VadimSt
      The Ukrainian proverb has long been known - Who is to blame? Daughter-in-law! So in history

      Hto cope ... Xia? Nevist !!! wassat
      I completely agree with you about the role of Stalin and Beria in history (only recently I read about the "terrible Beria" that he just simply cleaned out the NKVD, always had the latest intelligence and never repaired scientists, on the contrary, awarded or helped to eliminate the obstacle. it's a long argument)
      But the informers were and will be. America is holding onto them.
      Well done, Prokhanov definitely gave a modern definition to Stalin, in addition to what the politicians of Western countries who knew Stalin and the Patriarchs of Moscow Alexy already said.
  16. -2
    April 18 2013 11: 11
    Quote: zamboy
    No comment ...

    It seems to me that the GDP is all in vain you go there ...
    1. zambo
      0
      April 19 2013 08: 16
      Quote "Pensioner":
      It seems to me that the GDP is all in vain you go there ...

      I agree, but you will take a closer look, VVP is so far away from them, sidelong and skeptical about the KGB-shny, looks at this gang-fraternity, as if with the thought: “How can I drown these reptiles at once in the White Sea Canal (admittedly, etc.) lm does not sink ...) ".
  17. +6
    April 18 2013 11: 31
    From above, a cult cannot be created. Evidence of this is poems, songs about Stalin, jokes and ditties about his successors.
    PS "In times of universal lie, telling the truth is extremism!"
    George Orwell.
    PPS "Crimes of Khrushchev and his
    handy will have long-term
    consequences, they will lead to rebirth, and
    then to the destruction of the USSR and the CPSU ... "
    Mao Zedong and Enver Hoxha.
    (Joint statement “On the day
    birth I.V. Stalin "from 21
    December 1964)
    1. k220150
      +4
      April 18 2013 13: 19
      To understand "who controls us today" remember the speech of the imbecile at the opening of the Bolshoi after the restoration about "brands" of which we have few. For neurological patients, let's say the same about "brands" - Stalin is our battle banner, Comrade Stalin is a saint for us.
  18. vardex
    +7
    April 18 2013 11: 37
    Stalin - for normal people, this is a symbol of discipline and order .... Well, they fuck it more than ever, attribute everything that comes to mind to different politicians, reformers, politicians, and that, they greatly exalted themselves. In the east there is such a saying, if you spit in the back, then you know ahead.
  19. +3
    April 18 2013 13: 13
    And we will sing again. "STALIN IS OUR Fighting Banner, STALIN IS OUR YOUTH FLIGHT"
  20. +1
    April 18 2013 13: 14
    And we will sing again. "STALIN IS OUR Fighting Banner, STALIN IS OUR YOUTH FLIGHT"
  21. +7
    April 18 2013 13: 38
    And what can squalor do to justify its existence? Just imagine the past Great Stage of the country’s existence as even more squalor, they obviously can’t do this and they look even more helpless and then they only have small dirty tricks, like writing Stalin at night on the fence, and looking around to hurry away. Well tell me how the story He will remember the same Medvedev? Loser and 6. Putin is not in my head not in train, Borka-NO COMMENT, Misha Mechnyi also has nothing to comment on, the former head of SUPERPOWER has flushed to Germany turned into a total insignificance and advertises roofing felts toppers pizza .. And how all these people look compared to Stalin, in my opinion the answer is obvious.
    1. djon3volta
      -3
      April 18 2013 18: 31
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Putin is not in the head not in the train

      But when his term of presidency expires, then it’s comparable. Do I look smarter than all of them together? I'm sure people like you can offend everyone only with a glass of vodka. I suppose you brag and praise that you would seem better than others.
  22. Nitup
    +3
    April 18 2013 13: 52
    All this is complicated and ambiguous. In the days of Stalin, he was exalted and created a cult of personality, and themselves, under the cover of this, engaged in reprisal against each other. Stalin did not have complete power in the country until the 40s. The system was Trotskyist. And if he would then openly go against the whole system, he would be easily dared. All this is very reminiscent of the current situation in which Putin is.
  23. +4
    April 18 2013 14: 05
    If I'm wrong, justify at least request
  24. Vtel
    +7
    April 18 2013 15: 02
    Those people who vehemently condemn Stalin, primarily for the repression, follow the critical attitude towards Stalin of the most fierce persecutors of faith and the Church of Christ in our history of the twentieth century - Trotsky and Khrushchev, as well as Western "fans of Orthodoxy."
    One of Stalin’s “crimes” that the “whistleblower” Khrushchev accused him of was “flirting with the Church.”
    For the "cunning Byzantine," as Churchill once called Stalin, for tactical reasons he had to be called the "faithful disciple of Lenin."
    But if Lenin and Stalin are essentially the same thing, then why aren’t the remains of Stalin more than half a century in the mausoleum, and the mummy of Lenin has been safely there to this day? Why in our country there is not a single monument to Stalin, not a single street named after him, and Lenin's avenues, squares, streets, metro stations, monuments stand from the Baltic to the Bering Strait?
    The devil’s hatred of Stalin is also explained by the fact that anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox forces spent the whole XNUMXth century, and even earlier, doing their “hellish work” on the decomposition of the Orthodox-monarchist system, the consciousness of Russian people and the way of Russian life. They managed to make devastating revolutions at the beginning of the twentieth century. Having finally seized power, they set about the destruction of historical Russia and its people - and suddenly the national liberation struggle of the Russian people began, and, from a completely unexpected side, it was led by the first Bolshevik in the country with like-minded people. And they managed to slow down, somehow stop the process of destruction of Russian statehood, the Russian spirit and even strengthen and raise all the foundations of the Russian people: statehood, army, science, culture, education, family, and finally, the Orthodox Church is the worst thing for the devil, for our enemies. And even - oh horror! - to deal with the punishers of the people, the "red terrorists."
    How not to be hatred? For them, Stalin is a symbol of their defeat, and a symbol of retribution, and a symbol of the fortress of a truly Russian state - not by name, but by spirit.
  25. N.I.K. 163
    +10
    April 18 2013 15: 08
    Name at least one politician who in 30 years created one of the best industrialized countries from the peasant-maw country destroyed by three wars. Who was the first in space also doesn’t need to be reminded. It’s just that any greyness like Khrushchev and Gorby eats envy — they only learned to destroy it, therefore, they began to ban this name. No one is safe from mistakes, but if the goal is achieved, then this is the main thing. These Leberasts, led by the EBN, have killed no less than the Russian people, in particular, I had to by their mercy abandon everything I had acquired with my wife and two young children and with two suitcases to leave their small Motherland in Central Asia and move to Russia. But where their fruits of work are not plowed fields, destroyed factories, a demographic catastrophe throughout the country, rampant drunkenness and drug addiction, a collapse of education. I somehow imagined democracy differently .A satie +
    1. Waterfall
      -11
      April 18 2013 15: 11
      The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.
      1. djon3volta
        -5
        April 18 2013 18: 25
        Quote: Wasserfall
        The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.

        Now Shuvalova was listening, so he was talking about China (he was there recently), they say let's take the Chinese model .. and he says - medetsina in China is FULLY paid, from birth, no privileges. There is no pension, roads are paid, etc., Shuval says - they say they tell me that in China there are high-quality roads, well, they have almost everything paid, medical medicine is 100% paid ... this money goes to high-quality roads.
        for Russia (Shuvalov says) you don’t need to copy any models, they are not acceptable for Russia. Here we are sitting, here is the decree from afar, in Kaliningrad and Khabarosvka they react differently to this decree .. we have a huge country because many Soviet foundations in social workers are still working. We will not copy or borrow something from someone, we have our own model of the economy.
        what was better in Japan? what was better there? for this best they work hard like dads carla. if you want to live well, then work hard and hard.
        1. Waterfall
          -3
          April 18 2013 19: 09
          Quote: djon3volta
          this money goes to quality roads.

          So, the quality of roads does not improve with financing volumes.
          Quote: djon3volta
          what was better in japan? what was better there?

          Virtually everything. By the way, and if it was so good in the USSR, then why did they only try to escape from it, but not the other way around (applies to the entire social block in general)?
          Quote: djon3volta
          , we have our own model of economy

          An "energy superpower" again?
      2. +4
        April 18 2013 19: 14
        But you didn’t think how much money was invested in the German economy and I poured the United States. In truth, they removed the gold reserves of Germany. And they also tested a nuclear bomb
      3. rodevaan
        +2
        April 19 2013 13: 06
        Quote: Wasserfall
        The Japanese lived 30 years after the war much better than a scoop.


        - That's when to chat superficially, not thinking about what you are chatting - it is much easier to "joke", right? And now a question about the Japs - Never asked a question - WHY happened as you deigned to write here?
        There is no need to answer, because I already know what will be written in response. I myself will be responsible for you. No, it's not because the Japs are so super-smart-premium, and not because they supposedly "work like Karla's dads" (I was in Japan for work and I know that they do not work any more than you and me), and not because that they have a super-duper developed industry, and other like "know-how" and so on blah blah blah ... This is a bogeyman for children in a sandbox.
        After the Second World War, Japan, as the losing side, and who signed the unconditional surrender, was an obedient toy in the hands of the United States, and had no right to speak out against the Pin-gotan decisions that were made with respect to Japan - namely, 1. Full provision its territory under the military needs of the SS.P. Placement of amer bases, airfields, radars, and other military facilities; 2. Carrying out anti-Soviet and Russophobic policies; 3. Full and unconditional approval and maintenance of US policy at the official level; 4. Unhindered access to their technologies and resource capacities of Amer’s companies and financial tycoons. In response, Pin-dostan pledged to protect the interests of Japan, and to make huge financial injections into the economy of the former enemy, destroyed by the war. That is, there was a complete submission and vassalization of Yamato in all respects. The Japs became a dependent kingdom, which sacrificed sovereignty for the political and strategic goals of the United States. In fact, they tried to do the same (and almost did!) And in our shameful 90s, degenerate crap, licking the ass to the west and the United States. Only not as a result of a hot war (because it’s more expensive to fight with us), but through civil chaos, devastation and dismemberment into specific principalities. This monstrous project was called Perestroika.
        So vassal Japan received a sufficient amount of funds and financial injections from America, which was not destroyed by the war, which profited from the war as best it could, so that over these 30 years, quickly and with amer's help, raise and develop its economy, industry, science, and the auto industry. In other words, Uncle Sam generously endowed his Japanese and Gemansky (this is to say about the German "miracle-revival" after the war) prostitute with money, while the USSR, who endured the terrible War, climbed out of the devastation and chaos himself, with his own strength and means! And no Uncle Sam helped the USSR, but on the contrary, he did everything for its final destruction! But the Russian Great People, for that and the Great, - that in this situation, without outside help from the outside, he was able to raise the country on its feet, despite the general anger and hatred of Western-like bastards, make this country the strongest world power and successfully develop and fight for its interests.
        Like this. So there is no need to glue and present us about the "great and miraculous" mind of the Japs, and the "great economic miracle" of the Fritzes, which did not take itself out of nowhere, but logically appeared as a result of the constant clinking of coins in Uncle Sam's wallet.
  26. Bator79
    +3
    April 18 2013 18: 54
    I know that when I am gone, not one tub of dirt will be poured on my head. But I am sure that the wind of history will dispel all this. I.V. Stalin
  27. Bator79
    +2
    April 18 2013 18: 59
    It was Stalin who returned the post of Patriarch to the Russian Orthodox Church. It was Stalin who returned the epaulettes of the Soviet Army from the time of the Russian Empire during the Second World War
  28. +10
    April 18 2013 19: 19
    JV Stalin will forever go down in the history of Russia as one of the greatest leaders. And none of the small mongrel will be able to obscure his greatest contribution to the development of the state!
  29. +4
    April 18 2013 21: 09
    Whatever they say about Stalin: good or bad, etc. He is GREAT !!! And what he did for the country is difficult to overestimate ....
  30. +5
    April 18 2013 21: 27
    Everything goes to the idea that in Russia the ideas of IV Stalin win !!!
  31. zambo
    +1
    April 19 2013 08: 22
    Our answer to the liberals.
  32. zambo
    0
    April 19 2013 08: 23
    And another blow to the head of the pro-Westerners.
  33. +1
    April 19 2013 08: 45
    Quote: Kaa
    Quote: Trapper7
    The same Trotsky, for example, wasn’t shot,

    They showed humanism - they christened Trotsky as an ice pick, and Mercader denied his involvement in the USSR - the case of Lev Bronstein was too widespread across the planet. Well, how did you attribute Litvinov here? A faithful Stalinist, only when it came to negotiations with the Germans did he have to take into account his nationality. And so he wasn’t, wasn’t involved, didn’t participate, why should he be “touched”?

    Litvinov, this is the "cash desk of the revolution" since the days of the "first London congresses." Do you really think that "foreign investors of revolutions" gave money to just about anyone?
  34. rodevaan
    +4
    April 19 2013 13: 12
    Gentlemen, as expected, there were literate people who answer all the arguments with the well-known liberoid phrase - like "workaholics" - Fritzes and "thought out" - boys as a result of unique "economic wonders" lived in a wonderful paradise, unlike the "scoop", who didn't have Coca-Cola and popcorn.
    I already answered above, but especially for such truth-gifted woodcutters of the truth - I am writing the answer. All of the above is equally relevant for Germany:

    No, it's not because the Japs are so super-smart-premium, and not because they supposedly "work like Karla's dads" (I was in Japan for work and I know that they do not work any more than you and me), and not because that after the war they had a super-duper developed industry, and other like "know-how" and so on blah-blah-blah ... This is a bogeyman for children in a sandbox.
    After World War II, Japan (like Germany), as the loser, and who signed the unconditional surrender, was an obedient toy in the hands of the United States, and had no right to speak against the Pin-gotan decisions that were made with respect to Japan - namely - 1. Full provision of its territory for the military needs of the school. Placement of amer bases, airfields, radars, and other military facilities; 2. Carrying out anti-Soviet and Russophobic policies; 3. Full and unconditional approval and maintenance of US policy at the official level; 4. Unhindered access to their technologies and resource capacities of Amer’s companies and financial tycoons. In response, Pin-dostan pledged to protect the interests of Japan, and to make huge financial injections into the economy of the former enemy, destroyed by the war. That is, there was a complete submission and vassalization of Yamato in all respects. The Japs became a dependent kingdom, which sacrificed sovereignty for the political and strategic goals of the United States. In fact, they tried to do the same (and almost did!) And in our shameful 90s, degenerate crap, licking the ass to the west and the United States. Only not as a result of a hot war (because it’s more expensive to fight with us), but through civil chaos, devastation and dismemberment into specific principalities. This monstrous project was called Perestroika.
    So vassal Japan received a sufficient amount of funds and financial injections from America, which was not destroyed by the war, which profited from the war as best it could, so that over the 30 years it would quickly and with the help of Amer help raise and develop its economy, industry, science, and the auto industry. In other words, Uncle Sam generously endowed his Japanese and Heman prostitute with money, while the one who endured the terrible War of the USSR got out of ruin and chaos himself, by his own forces and means! And no uncle Sam of the USSR helped, but, on the contrary, did everything for his final destruction! But the Russian Great People, and then the Great, - that in this situation too, without outside help, was able to raise the country to its feet, despite the general anger and hatred of the Western-born idiots, to make this country the strongest world power and successfully develop and fight for its interests.
    Like this. So there is no need to glue here, present us about the "great and miraculous" mind of the Japs, and the "great economic miracle" of the Fritzes, which did not take itself out of nowhere, but logically appeared as a result of the constant clinking of coins in the wallet of the overseas master.
    It is logical to assume that people who raised their own farm destroyed by enemies on their own did not live in such greenhouse conditions as lap-dogs fed by the owner?
    1. 0
      April 19 2013 16: 57
      Well said!

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