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The best frigates of our time

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The best frigates of our time



The frigate is a warship with a displacement of 3000 ... 6000 tons, equipped with guided missile weapons. The main purpose - the fight against the air and underwater enemy, accompanied by the main forces fleet and especially important convoys. A versatile escort ship capable of operating at any distance from the coast. It is this definition for the frigate that the NATO classification of the 1975 model gives.

In practice, the tasks of the “frigate” class ship are much broader - from performing patrol missions in the coastal zone and open sea areas to limited participation in local wars (blockade and de-blockade of sea lanes, conducting “point” assault forces, symbolic fire support of ground forces). Battle campaigns, flag demonstration, participation in international maritime exercises and search and rescue operations.

The frigate is always a compromise., a modest warship a priori can become a "super-hero." The meaning of the emergence of frigates - saving in exchange for mass. The specifics of sentinel and escort missions imply the dispersal of forces, which, in turn, entails a requirement to reduce the cost of ships — their combat capabilities are sacrificed for economy. In order to meet the estimate, the creators of the frigates are forced to reduce the ship’s weapons complex, to abandon some radio-electronic systems, replacing full-fledged radars and hydroacoustic complexes with “replicas” with reduced characteristics.

Extremely dense layout and small size adversely affect the survivability of the ship. For example, on American frigates of the type "Oliver H. Perry" (a giant series of 71 units, including export and licensed assembly), a single-shaft GEM scheme was used - a risky decision that contradicts all the rules for designing warships.

The fact that any modern frigate is an incapable trough pretending to be a warship has become clear a long time ago. The US Navy was convinced of this on its own experience, when the frigate Stark could not repel the attack of a single Iraqi Air Force plane. Having received two missiles on board, the Stark almost died in the Persian Gulf. The victims of the incident were 37 sailors.

Damage to the frigate USS Stark (FFG-31), received during the 17 incident in May 1987.

The British suffered even more during the Falklands War - the unfortunate frigates of Her Majesty, pretending to be important for destroyers, were beaten by free-fall bombs from subsonic airplanes! A plot worthy of World War II, but not 1982 of the year.

The Americans were so disappointed with the combat capabilities of the frigates that they experimented with numerous Knoxes and Perry and completely abandoned the further construction of ships of this class. Place all the necessary systems and weapons in the 4000-ton package was not possible. To achieve acceptable performance (power, versatility, seaworthiness, high survivability, comfortable accommodation of personnel), a destroyer with a displacement of at least 8000 tons is required.

As a result, all the last 20 years of the Yankees have been built only by large Aegis destroyers of the Orly Burk type. By 2013, they were already riveted by 62 pieces - more than frigates in all countries of the world combined. However, there is nothing to be surprised at - having 16 trillions of external debt, you can build starships instead of destroyers.

In order not to forget what a real warship looks like. USS Spruance (DDG-111)

Time makes its own adjustments - progress in microelectronics has allowed a drastic reduction in the dimensions of radio engineering systems. The small size of the frigate turned its advantage - using stealth technology, the EPR of modern frigates has decreased to the EPR value of a torpedo boat. High technology and composite materials, undoubted progress in engine-building, new weapon systems - all this significantly increased the efficiency of small escort ships.

The frigate of the beginning of the XXI century turned into a universal warship capable of taking part in low-intensity military conflicts and performing almost the whole range of tasks facing the modern navy.

No doubt, other things being equal, the frigate is inferior to the destroyer. But only the Pentagon has unlimited financial opportunities - the shipbuilders of other countries have to compromise and create efficient ships without wasteful spending and with the minimum necessary equipment. Let's see what happened.

Turkish gambit

The total displacement is 4200 tons. Crew 220 man. Two gas turbines General Electric LM2500 accelerate the frigate to 30 nodes. The fuel supply on board provides 5000 cruising miles at cruising speed 18 knots.

Armament:
- Mk.13 beam-type launcher (8 anti-ship harpoon missiles and 32 medium-range anti-aircraft missiles SM-1MR are stored in the underdeck store);
- installation of vertical launch Mk.41 (ammunition - 32 anti-aircraft missiles self-defense RIM-162 ESSM);
- OTO Melara artillery system caliber 76 mm;
- anti-aircraft artillery complex of self-defense "Phalanx" (six-barrel gun caliber 20 mm, radar and fire control system mounted on a single gun carriage);
- anti-submarine system Mk.32 (two TA, six small torpedoes);
- anti-submarine helicopter Sikorsky S-70 Seahawk.



Gaziantep F-490 - Formerly American frigate "Clifton Sprague" (FFG-16)


A series of eight Turkish frigates of type G. In fact, the Turkish names here are only the names - Gaziantep, Giresun, Gemlik ... Otherwise, these are purely American ships - outdated frigates of the type "Oliver Hazard Perry" (series with "short "Corps), transferred to the Turkish Navy after 15 years of service under the stars and stripes.

The second important point is that the Turkish G-type frigates resemble their predecessors only externally - inside these are in many ways other ships, whose systems and weapons have undergone extensive modernization.
In contrast to the dull “Perry”, the ship’s air defense was seriously strengthened - in addition to the “one-armed bandit” (the humorous name of the Mk.13 launcher), 8 of the Mk.41 UVP cells appeared in the nose (short, “defensive” version - as whatever the Turks tried to charge Tomahawk into it - they won’t succeed). Only anti-aircraft missiles RIM-162 ESSM, for 4 in each cell. However, there is an opinion that Turkey has not received any ESSM. Instead of the promised Evolved Sea Sparrow Missle super-missiles capable of maneuvering with 50-multiple overload and intercepting targets at 50 km, Turkish sailors were given the usual RIM-7 Sea Sparrow, with all the results.

No less serious changes have undergone electronics. The modern combat information and control system GENESIS of Turkish production (built, of course, on Chinese components) was installed on the frigates. Electronic frigate systems were integrated into the military tactical real-time data exchange network Link 16 (US and NATO standard). The fire control system Mk.92 has been added; updated hydroacoustic complex. In addition, the frigates received an integrated ASIST helicopter landing and towing system.

The advantages of frigates type G:
- high autonomy;
- impressive anti-aircraft ammunition.

Disadvantages of type G frigates:
- archaic design;
- an open air defense circuit (once it became fatal for the Stark frigate);
- Single-channel scheme of the power plant.




Launch of the Standard-1 Medium Range anti-aircraft missile from a frigate of the Oliver H. Perry type




Talwar

The total displacement is 4000 tons. Crew 180 man. Two GTE economic progress, two afterburner GTE. Full move 30 nodes. 4850 cruising range at cruising speed of 14 knots. The cost of one frigate - 500 million.

Armament:
- Universal Ship Shooting Complex (UKKS) on 8 cells. Ammunition - the Club-N cruise missiles (export version of the Caliber) and / or the Brahmos supersonic anti-ship missiles;
- “Smooth-1” air defense missile system (one-frame launcher, 24 SAM);
- 2 anti-aircraft rocket and artillery complex 3Р87Е "Chestnut" (ammunition of both modules - 64 melee missiles + two twin six-barreled guns with a rotating block of barrels);
- universal gun AK-190 caliber 100 mm;
- 12-barreled jet bombers RBU-6000 (ammunition load - 48 jet depth bombs)
- two torpedo tubes with 16 torpedoes;
- anti-submarine helicopter Ka-28.




A series of six Indian frigates built at Russian shipyards. The base for Talvar was the Petrel 1135 project - the glorious guard ships (BOD of the 2nd rank), which were massively built for the Soviet Navy in the 1970s (32 units in the series). The Petrel was so successful that on its base a whole family of frigates appeared - anti-submarine, border, export modifications.

New weapons and modern electronics "breathed life" the old design - modification 1135.6 (Indian "Talwar") has become one of the most interesting examples of frigates of the beginning of the XXI century: relatively simple, cheap and effective.

Talwar has become an important stage in stories Indian Navy - Indian sailors for the first time received ships with vertical launchers in the underdeck space. Modern multi-purpose frigates with universal weapons and elements of reducing radar visibility (superstructure from side to side, blocking the upper part of the board "inwards", reducing the number of radio contrast parts - the usual techniques of "stealth" technology). New CIU “Requirement M”, three-coordinate radar “Fregat-M2EM” with a phased antenna array.
One of the differences between the Talvar frigates and their European counterparts was the presence of a powerful shock armament system — the eight-charge USK, cruise missiles for striking ground targets, and supersonic anti-ship missiles — a tribute to the traditions of the Soviet Navy.

As practice has shown, “Talvar” is far from the limit, the modernization potential of the old “Burevestnik” allowed the creation of an even more formidable ship on its basis - the 1135.6 R / M project to equip the Russian Navy. In contrast to the “Indians”, these ships will receive a full-fledged Caliber complex and an updated Shtil-1 air defense system with submarine UVP. At the moment there are three ships of this type in Russian shipyards, the lead frigate “Admiral Grigorovich” is planned to be launched in the summer of 2013.

Advantages of Talvar frigates:
- versatility;
- strike weapons.

Disadvantages of Talvar frigates:
- one-gates PU “Stil” air defense missile complex, significantly limiting the air defense capabilities of the ship;
- low autonomy for fuel reserves (hereditary 1135 disease).





Horizon

The total displacement is 7000 tons. Crew 230 man. Two diesel engines of economic progress, two gas turbines LM2500. Full move 30 nodes. 7000 cruising range at cruising speed of 18 knots. The cost of one frigate - 1,5 billion euros.

Armament:
- PAAM marine anti-aircraft complex (48 Sylver A-50 cells, Aster anti-aircraft missiles);
- 8 anti-ship missiles "Exochet";
- SAM self-defense system Sadral (only on French ships);
- 2-3 universal tools OTO Melara caliber 76 mm;
- 2 automatic gun caliber 20 mm;
- small anti-submarine torpedoes MU90 Impact;
- helicopter NH90 or AW101 Merlin.




The horizon overgrown frigate (Horizon, Orizzonte, or CNGF - Common New Generation Frigate) - the result of the joint efforts of France, Italy and the UK, who dreamed of creating a European warship of the new generation, and thus "wiping the nose" Uncle Sam with his countless Aegis-type destroyers "Burke".

The expectations of the Europeans were not justified - the built ships were inferior to the "Burke" in universality, while having an exorbitant cost comparable to the cost of the American destroyer (after all, the Yankees know a lot about standardization and lowering the cost of goods during mass production). In contrast to the 62 built "Berkov", a series of frigates "Horizon" limited to only four units - two ships for the Italian and French Navy.

The British quarreled with their colleagues in the middle of the “creative path” and, taking the documentation, began to “sculpt” their own destroyer, which meets all the requirements of Her Majesty’s fleet.
The result was the twins - the Italian-French frigates "Horizon" and the British destroyers of the "Daring" type. Almost identical dimensions, similar hull lines and superstructure architecture - the destroyer can be easily confused with the frigate. A close acquaintance only enhances the impression: the same PAAMS air defense complex, Sylver vertical launch installations, i-mast multifunction mast, S1850M airborne radar with a phased antenna array, a white radar of the second radar on top of the foremast ...

Stop! And here is an important difference - the British destroyers are equipped with a SAMPSON super-radar with active PAR, that sees a seagull at a distance of 100 km and controls the airspace within 400 radius of km from the ship’s side. Means of detection of frigates are much more modest - under the white cap on the foremast hides “only” EMPAR three-dimensional radar.

This fact alone explains the difference in the classification of two identical ships - the frigate remains a frigate (albeit the largest in its class), and the British ship, saturated with the most modern electronics, certainly deserves the title of a destroyer.

The advantages of the frigate "Horizon":
- exceptional opportunities in terms of air defense;
- huge autonomy (the frigate is able to cross the Atlantic diagonally);
- high automation.

The lack of frigate "Horizon":
- crazy cost.


Motik of the Italian frigate Caiao Dulio (D554)






Spanish hidalgo

Full displacement 5800 tons (+ modernization reserve 450 tons). Crew 250 man. Two diesel Caterpillar for economic progress, two gas turbines LM2500. Full move 29 nodes. 4500 cruising range at cruising speed of 18 knots. The cost of the frigate - 1,1 billion.
Armament:
- 48 MK.41 UVP cells (“tactical” option: ASROC-VL anti-submarine missile torpedoes, SM-2ER anti-aircraft long-range missiles, Sea Sparrow and ESSM self-defense anti-aircraft missiles, except for the US Navy’s Tomahawks. any proportion);
- 8 anti-ship harpoon missiles;
- universal artillery gun Mk.45 caliber 127 mm;
- Merok anti-aircraft artillery complex of 20 caliber mm;
- 2 automatic guns "Oerlikon" with manual guidance;
- 2 jet bombs ABCAS / SSTS;
- 24 small anti-submarine torpedoes Mk.46;
- anti-submarine helicopter Sikorsky SH-60B system LAMPS III.




Unlike the French and Italians, enterprising Spaniards did not "reinvent the wheel", but did much easier - copied Aegis, a destroyer of the type "Burke". However, the "copied" sounds disrespectful: the Spaniards carefully studied and adjusted the project of the American destroyer to their requirements. Of course, the “correction” was reduced only to the deterioration of the original structure in the weather, with savings.

As a result, a series of “Alvaro de Bassan” appeared - five large frigates, each of which has ½ capabilities of “Burke” at a lower cost by 30%. The Spaniards retained the main thing - the combat information and control system "Aegis" with a multifunctional radar AN / SPY-1. Spanish software developers were directly involved in creating the software. In addition, the Thales Sirius French optical-electronic detection system and the own-made weapon control system FABA Dorna were installed on the frigates.

There were drawbacks - in contrast to its progenitor, the frigate lost the third AN / SPG-62 fire control radar, which limited the ability of “de Basan” to repel massive air attacks. However, the Spaniards do not worry about this - the frigate is unlikely to have to go into a serious battle, and even if it is necessary - the American Aegis destroyer Orly Burk will always be next.

In an effort to compensate for the weakening of the frigate's armament complex, the Spaniards installed several systems on it that did not fit NATO standards - jet-bombed and the Meroka's own-designed 12-barreled anti-aircraft system.

The advantages of the frigate "Alvaro de Basan":
- Aegis system;
- universal UVK Mk.41 on 48 cells;

Disadvantages of the frigate "Alvaro de Basan":
- The Spanish Navy received an excellent warship, whose capabilities correspond to the funds invested in it.





Frenchman from Singapore

The total displacement is 3200 tons. Crew 90 man. Four MTU diesels provide full speed 27 nodes. Range 4200 miles on 18 nodes.

Armament:
- 32 cell arrester Sylver A-50 (Aster anti-aircraft missiles);
- 8 anti-ship harpoon missiles;
- OTO Melara universal caliber 76 mm artillery gun (120 firing rate / min.);
- 2 self-defense system "Typhoon" caliber 25 mm;
- anti-submarine torpedoes EuroTorp A244 / S Mod 3;
- anti-submarine helicopter Sikorsky S-70.




The most advanced warships in Southeast Asia are the magnificent six Formideb-type Singapore frigates (Grozny). The most modern technical solutions, unique electronics, long-range Aster-30 anti-aircraft missiles, a multipurpose weapon system, and impressive ammunition - all this fit in the body with a displacement of just over 3 thousand tons. "Formidebl" is one of the most effective systems of naval weapons!

In the form of "Formidebl" slip familiar features ... Well, of course! This is a French stealth frigate "Lafayette", a special modification for the Singapore Navy.

The futuristic frigate that appeared in 1996 year intrigued the whole world: for the first time in world practice, the stealth technology found such wide use in the construction of a serial ship - even the bow of the deck with anchor windlass was hidden under a special cover. No protruding radio contrast elements in the frigate appearance!

In addition, Lafayette possessed decent armament and excellent nautical qualities - a successful project was appreciated in many countries of the world. French shipbuilders received a weighty order book: the most “picky” countries without a doubt chose Lafayate as the main surface ship. So there were interpretations on the basis of Lafayette - Al Riyad (Saudi Arabian Navy), Kang Ding (Naval Forces of the Republic of Taiwan) and, finally, Formidebl (Singapore Naval Forces).

Each of them was distinguished by an exclusive set of equipment and weapons - the combined design of a frigate of eighty 300-ton modules made it possible to realize any desires of the customer. All other things being equal, the Singapore version is considered the most successful.






"Surkuf" F711 - French frigate type "Lafeit"


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  1. Russian
    Russian April 17 2013 09: 16 New
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    Good article! And photos from different angles, and a detailed description.
    After reading, I realized that our ships are lagging behind, of course, in a number of parameters, but how much time has been lost! I hope we will catch up both qualitatively and quantitatively, otherwise in modern history not a single frigate has been commissioned yet!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 17 2013 09: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Good article!


      I join Oleg thanks, the English are faithful to the traditions the same Daring, 1893, the destroyer of the famous 27 nodal program, wits said that frames could be seen through the skin
      1. Santa Fe
        April 17 2013 13: 59 New
        +6
        Good day, Vadim!
        Quote: Vadivak
        wits said that through the sheathing visible frames

        hah .. tin board

        Torn board of destroyer Porter, Gulf of Hormuz, August 2012
        American ship collided with a tanker
    2. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 13: 48 New
      +9
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Of course, our ships are lagging behind in a number of parameters

      everything is ok with our ships
      excellent projects, the most modern equipment and systems of naval weapons, the same "Calm" or "Caliber" - correspond to the best world analogues.
      Yes, there are hereditary problems - lack of unification, problems with the efficiency of power plants - but these are all issues to be solved, in general, the projects of Russian ships are wonderful

      But there is only one real problem - Russian ships are practically not being built.
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      in modern history not a single frigate has been commissioned yet!

      here is toto and it

      ps / domestic corbels always had a great design
  2. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel April 17 2013 09: 32 New
    +6
    Great selection of Oleg Kaptsov. Interesting, informative.
  3. Arberes
    Arberes April 17 2013 09: 33 New
    13
    Great review by the author!
    RESPECT to you, dear! hi
    I want to add only one thought. It's no secret that frigates and corvettes (ships with a small displacement) are in great demand on the world arms market! China has put the manufacturing process of these ships on stream and is already offering its products on the Asian market!
    So we should quickly turn the tide with the construction of frigates and first saturate our Navy, and then begin to promote these beauties to the world market.
    I am sure buyers will have good income in the treasury.
  4. Silhouette
    Silhouette April 17 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    Great article. It is a pity the Hamburg did not fall under the review.
  5. Sgt.
    Sgt. April 17 2013 11: 00 New
    11
    And where is the frigate Admiral Gorshkov of project 22350? Where is Russia?

    You can add. Let us head it like this

    Russia is also building modern frigates.
    Total displacement of 4500 tons. The crew of 180 people. Two gas turbine engines + two diesel engines give a full stroke of 29 knots. Cruising range 4000 miles at 14 knots.
    Armament:
    - universal ship firing complex (UKKS) for 16 cells. Ammunition of 16 cruise missiles of the ZM55 Onyx family and / or Brasos supersonic anti-ship missiles of the Caliber-NKE family of anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles (3M-54, 3M14, 91RTE2);
    - SAM "Poliment-Redoubt" consisting of 4 eight-cell modules. In total, the ammunition counts 32 SAM 48N6E2 missiles (firing range 200 km) or 128 9M96E missiles (four instead of 48N6E2, firing range 135 km) or 512 RVV-AE-SAM air defense systems in any combination;
    - 2 3M89 Broadsword anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems (ammunition of both modules - 8 melee missiles + two twin six-barreled guns with a rotating block of barrels);
    - universal gun A-192 caliber 130 mm;
    - two Medvedka-2 launchers placed onboard, four missiles each (small-sized anti-submarine missile system with 87P anti-submarine missile equipped with a homing torpedo as a warhead);
    - anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27.

    This is the first large surface combat ship laid down at Russian shipyards over the past 15 years. In total over the next 15-20 years, it is planned to build up to 20 frigates, the ships of this project should become the base for them. It is assumed that they will be part of all four fleets of the Russian Navy. A series of 10-12 (not exactly known) Russian frigates are planned to be built before 2020. The first, Admiral Gorshkov -2013, is put into operation, and two more are being built. Today, a total of six ships have been signed. This is the first frigate designed and built in Russia, as they say from scratch. There is also a project for the construction of frigates of project 22356 - a series of Russian multi-purpose warships in the far sea zone.

    The cost of the lead ship of this type should be about 400-420 million US dollars. Given the installation of the latest weapons that are currently being developed on the ship, the real cost of building one frigate can increase to $ 500 million

    Advantages of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov:
    - versatility;
    - powerful strike weapons;
    - perfect air defense system for the frigate;

    Disadvantages of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov:
    - low autonomy in fuel reserves.
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 17 2013 11: 09 New
      -9
      An empty box without equipment is not a warship. Finish it - come.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 17 2013 11: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Wasserfall
        An empty box without equipment is not a warship.


        How is this Alex? There’s so much stuffed, it’s all supposed to be guided by something, to move from something
        1. Waterfall
          Waterfall April 17 2013 11: 30 New
          -1
          He is in the completion yet.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 17 2013 11: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Wasserfall
            He is in the completion yet.


            Well, like in the summer they promised to start sea trials
            1. Waterfall
              Waterfall April 17 2013 11: 46 New
              0
              They will bring RES - then we can talk about something. And then the sad story with Lada is already there.
    2. patsantre
      patsantre April 17 2013 14: 31 New
      +1
      It definitely won’t cost 500 million, less perfect and older, and standing on stream 11356 costs that much (more precisely, it cost a few years ago). Potions will cost at least a billion.
  6. Metlik
    Metlik April 17 2013 11: 34 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article. I look forward to continuing.
  7. Takashi
    Takashi April 17 2013 12: 43 New
    +5
    I liked more "Frenchman from Singapore

    Total displacement of 3200 tons. The crew of 90 people. Four MTU diesels deliver a full 27 knots. Range 4200 miles at 18 knots. "

    Balanced: crew and displacement, as well as weapons.

    All the rest are some kind of "unfinished destroyers." The people - ~ 250 people, displacement ~ 4000, weapons - who cares.
  8. postman
    postman April 17 2013 14: 03 New
    +7
    Quote: Author
    However, there is nothing to be surprised at - with 16 trillion foreign debt, starships can be built instead of destroyers.

    Nizya! Well, no matter how crying
    WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DOLLAR CURRENCY SOLAR SYSTEM, and collect iron in the radius of A-Centarvra.

    Last December, the American people demanded that their government build a real Death Star from Star Wars by 2016..

    See the answer
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin

    -construction-death-star-2016 / wlfKzFkN


    Quote: Author
    All things being equal, the Singapore version is considered the most successful.

    How much did not mention a word about “Getman Sagaidachny” (mod. Project 11351 “Nereus”?)

    request
    class frigate F125 (total 2,2 billion euros)
    7200 tons, length - 149,52 m, width - 18,8 m, draft - 5 m, speed - 26 knots, crew - 110 (190 max.) People. Armament: 8 anti-ship missiles RGM-84 Harpoon, 2 SAM Block RAM II, 127 mm artillery mount Oto Melara, 2 27 mm artillery mounts with remote control MLG 27, 5 12,7 mm tower machine guns with remote control Hitrole-NT, 2 12,7 mm machine gun, water guns, 2 spotlights. It is planned to base 2 multi-purpose helicopters NH90/ Considered the most powerful in the world /

    electro "mobile" "Advance" Advansea from DCNS

    and SMX-25 surface-submarine ship (how will we classify it? -that's the trouble !)

    F-110 = F2M2 (Futura Fragata Multimisión) by Navantia


    ========= damp negative
    And why? You have to go to “Surface Warships 2012/2013” ​​Paris there or Barcelona, ​​and you’re still sitting at the computer ...
    Shl it is clear that you tormented me about MK, distracting me from a military mission ....
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 15: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Postman
      WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DOLLAR CURRENCY SOLAR SYSTEM, and collect iron in the radius of A-Centarvra.

      In the beautiful far we begin the path ...
      Quote: Postman
      See the answer

      A question the answer
      - The State Department does not plan to destroy planets))
      Quote: Postman
      class frigate F125 (total 2,2 billion euros)

      EMNIP did not even begin to build it
      Quote: Postman
      Considered the most powerful in the world /

      the largest.
      strange colonial ship: no long-range missiles and missiles - but 7 browning 50. caliber)))
      Quote: Postman
      how are we going to classify? -That’s the trouble then what!)

      WTF-class
      Quote: Postman
      You have to go to “Surface Warships 2012 / 2013” Paris there or Barcelona, ​​and you’re still sitting at the computer ...

      sad
      Quote: Postman
      Shl it is clear that you tormented me about MK, distracting me from a military mission ....

      we know your special task)))
      <screenshot of World of Tanks>
      1. postman
        postman April 17 2013 16: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        EMNIP did not even begin to build it

        Come on?
        9.05.11/23/18 delivered kilin 7 x 300 x XNUMX meters, XNUMX tons of steel
        10.05.11/3/XNUMX laser cutting, welding started at Blohm + Voss' Shipbuilding workshop No. XNUMX
        14.09.11/4/4 EADS Cassidian produced 1 components (panels) AFAR TRS-XNUMXDNrXNUMX
        2.11.11/12/XNUMX bookmark in Hamburg at shipyard No. XNUMX
        20.12.11/3/XNUMX approved XNUMXm names: Nordrhein-Westfalen, Sachsen-Anhalt Rheinland-Pfalz

        ? (while CMR has not seen). 12.12 - 2 p x Cerberus Mod2 shipped with Atlas Elektronik (total 4)
        ??. 01.13 EADS Cassidian announced TRS-4D ASEA passed ALL TESTS AND TESTS. German BAAINBw and Blohm + Voss Naval told GUT.
        The first unit of the ground-based system in Wilhelmshaven is scheduled for delivery in February 2013
        The first TRS-4D for Baden-Württemberg is scheduled for delivery in August 2013.

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        strange colonial ship:

        But there is
        Mk-31 RAM x2
        "Vulcano" Extended Range 127 mm For Oto Melara 127/64 at 100 km / 54 nm
        Contract 08.10.12 for 5 pieces EUR 70 million
        http://www.otomelara.it/EN/Common/files/OtoMelara/pdf/business/naval/development
        /VULCANO127mm.pdf
        Or maybe they will return to 155mm MONARC naval MLRS
        Read
        http://www.marine.de/
        Neue Fregatte wird RHEINLAND-PFALZ heißen
        Berlin / Glücksburg, 20.12.2011.
        1. Santa Fe
          April 17 2013 21: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Postman
          The first unit of the ground-based system in Wilhelmshaven is scheduled for delivery in February 2013
          The first TRS-4D for Baden-Württemberg is scheduled for delivery in August 2013.

          Funds allocated, metal cutting and counterparty equipment supplies
          As I understand it, the ship itself is not yet on the slipway
          Quote: Postman
          Mk-31 RAM x2

          Weak excuse for the 7000 ton frigate
          Quote: Postman
          Or maybe they will return to 155mm MONARC naval MLRS

          This is unlikely to compensate for the lack of UVP
          1. postman
            postman April 18 2013 01: 07 New
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            As I understand it, the ship itself is not yet on the slipway

            keel frames
            as I understand it, in 2013 the hull will be afloat.
            Otherwise why
            Quote: i
            The first TRS-4D for Baden-Württemberg is scheduled for delivery in August 2013.


            ====================
            About everything else: the Germans are too cunning and secretive. we will see
  9. postman
    postman April 17 2013 14: 04 New
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    Quote: Author
    However, there is nothing to be surprised at - with 16 trillion foreign debt, starships can be built instead of destroyers.

    Nizya! Well, no matter how crying
    WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DOLLAR CURRENCY SOLAR SYSTEM, and collect iron in the radius of A-Centarvra.

    Last December, the American people demanded that their government build a real Death Star from Star Wars by 2016..

    See the answer
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin

    -construction-death-star-2016 / wlfKzFkN


    Quote: Author
    All things being equal, the Singapore version is considered the most successful.

    How much did not mention a word about “Getman Sagaidachny” (mod. Project 11351 “Nereus”?)

    request
    class frigate F125 (total 2,2 billion euros)
    7200 tons, length - 149,52 m, width - 18,8 m, draft - 5 m, speed - 26 knots, crew - 110 (190 max.) People. Armament: 8 anti-ship missiles RGM-84 Harpoon, 2 SAM Block RAM II, 127 mm artillery mount Oto Melara, 2 27 mm artillery mounts with remote control MLG 27, 5 12,7 mm tower machine guns with remote control Hitrole-NT, 2 12,7 mm machine gun, water guns, 2 spotlights. It is planned to base 2 multi-purpose helicopters NH90/ Considered the most powerful in the world /

    electro "mobile" "Advance" Advansea from DCNS

    and SMX-25 surface-submarine ship (how will we classify it? -that's the trouble !)

    F-110 = F2M2 (Futura Fragata Multimisión) by Navantia


    ========= damp negative
    And why? You have to go to “Surface Warships 2012/2013” ​​Paris there or Barcelona, ​​and you’re still sitting at the computer ...
    Shl it is clear that you tormented me about MK, distracting me from a military mission ....
  10. postman
    postman April 17 2013 14: 05 New
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    a single-shaft GEM scheme was used - a risky decision that contradicted all the rules for designing warships.

    Announce the entire list please

    Well, that is, explain, disassemble people far from the sea?

    / On American frigates of the Oliver N. Perry type / Being aware of the low survivability of a single-shaft power plant, the ship provided for the installation of two retractable power-steering columns with electric drive.
    Considering the cardboard armor, I don’t think that according to the COGOG scheme it will be "survivable", well, if only from the DShK

    For reference (it may come in handy): COST OF FRIGATES BUILT IN THE PERIOD FROM 1965 TO 2000
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 20: 55 New
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      Quote: Postman
      Announce the entire list please

      Why were they allowed fuel tanks under the cellars of rocket weapons and depth charges?

      Could anyone beware that the main bulkhead between the aft engine room and the Ke 8 rocket cellar was adjacent, gas permeable and without thermal insulation, and also weakened due to bending in height and width (recess) to accommodate the main thrust bearing of the gas turbine plant?

      Was it not striking that there were no cofferdams between such explosive and fire hazardous premises as the ammunition cellar and engine room, including between the KMO and cellar No. 8 in the recess area? Cellars No. 8 and 9? Kubrick No. 6 and cellar No. 10?

      Why was it necessary to use aluminum-magnesium alloys of the AMG type so widely, losing their strength and igniting in a fire?

      Why were fuel tank measuring tubes near gas turbine ducts, and fuel pipe necks were fireproof?

      Didn’t the striking explosion and fire resistance of the 14 compartment because of the kerosene storage facility located in it and the cellar of aviation bombs catch your eye? In addition, access to cellar No. 10 PLAB was difficult, and in an emergency it was impossible. There was no remote control of the cellar irrigation, and from the tiller compartment located in the same compartment there was not even access to the upper deck.


      - some notes on the death of the Bold Valiant
      Quote: Postman
      on the ship provided for the installation of two retractable power steering columns

      yes, I heard about them
      Quote: Postman
      Given the cardboard armor, I don’t think that according to the COGOG scheme it will be “survivable”

      consequences of an underwater explosion?
      1. postman
        postman April 17 2013 22: 39 New
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        consequences of an underwater explosion?

        Yeap (t)
        As a student, who worked part time in a cooperative for the diagnosis and elimination of vibrations in GTA, yes.
        It seems to me that any close phenomenon will break it from the anchors (that is, from the supports), nevertheless, the box of the ship (pun intended) in terms of stiffness is not MBT.
        And that's all.
        In fact, all of them (frigates) in case of a DB are disposable, until the first highlight.
        =============
        Well, I think so.
        ================ PS Why are you a bad person for me again sculpt minuses?
        1. Santa Fe
          April 17 2013 22: 57 New
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          Quote: Postman
          As a student, who worked part time in a cooperative for the diagnosis and elimination of vibrations in GTA, yes.
          It seems to me that any close phenomenon will break it from the anchors (that is, from the supports), nevertheless, the box of the ship (pun intended) in terms of stiffness is not MBT.

          You see, the frigate is "small" only in comparison with the destroyer
          Compared to the average person, 180 cm tall, the frigate is MONSTERY huge. 4000 thousand tons of steel structures, one and a half hundred meters in length

          an LM2500 turbine with foundation and auxiliary equipment weighs a hundred tons ... can you imagine what a concussion should be like to rip it off.
          at the same time, damaging the propeller blade is not so difficult - and that’s all, only the propeller columns and the three-node stroke.
          Quote: Postman
          In fact, all of them (frigates) in case of a DB are disposable, until the first highlight.

          Not enough to die from one underwater explosion (small-sized 324 mm torpedo, for example)
          Quote: Postman
          PS why are you a bad person again sculpt me minuses?

          I slapped you plus good
          1. postman
            postman April 18 2013 00: 29 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            I slapped you plus

            about minus it was a joke. I don’t care, BUT is better with motivation, and not from around the corner
            1. Santa Fe
              April 18 2013 02: 57 New
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              Quote: Postman
              about minus it was a joke

              Ah, I thought you were really upset.
              Quote: Postman
              better with motivation, not around the corner

              maybe better because of the angle with the mount?
              yes
              1. postman
                postman April 18 2013 22: 50 New
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                Need to think......
  11. patsantre
    patsantre April 17 2013 14: 37 New
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    The frigates, designed to be a compromise between quantity and quality, in my opinion did not justify themselves. Take the same Spanish Alvaro de Basan. The armament carries 2 times less, the price is slightly lower. To possess the power of Burke, you need to build 2 of these frigates, and this in 2 times more expensive, and much more than the cost of a berk. With less autonomy and simplified electronics. There is only one benefit - to destroy 2 frigates is more difficult.
  12. cyberandr
    cyberandr April 17 2013 16: 57 New
    +1
    A frigate is always a compromise, a modest warship a priori can become a "super-hero"
    Maybe it meant
    A frigate is always a compromise, a modest warship a priori can NOT become a "super hero"
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 20: 57 New
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      Quote: cyberandr
      A frigate is always a compromise, a modest warship a priori can NOT become a "super hero"

      Yes, of course, a typo in the text.
  13. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 17 2013 18: 18 New
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    Bravo SWEET_SIXTEEN! .You always get excellent content and beautiful in form articles. Although they are controversial wink
    The only pity is that you did not write anything about the “main Chinese” -054A and Japanese destroyers / frigates like Takanami, Akizuki.
    Or will there be a sequel?
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 21: 14 New
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      Greetings, Odysseus! hi
      Quote: Odyssey
      "main Chinese" -054А

      honestly, it looks inconspicuous against the background of Europeans
      Quote: Odyssey
      Japanese destroyers / frigates like Takanami, Akizuki.

      the Japanese classify them as destroyers
      But that’s not the point - the same Horizon and de Basan, with similar dimensions and performance characteristics, look much more interesting
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 18 2013 00: 01 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Greetings, Odysseus!

        Mutually. By the way, thank you for the article about the Falklands, well written!
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        honestly, it looks inconspicuous against the background of Europeans

        I agree. But by the criterion of cost / effectiveness, it turns out bearable.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        But that’s not the point - the same Horizon and de Basan, with similar dimensions and performance characteristics, look much more interesting

        Well, I don’t know, I like Akizuki. Until I understood what he was looking at you for?
        1. Santa Fe
          April 18 2013 02: 55 New
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          Quote: Odyssey
          But according to the criterion of cost / effectiveness, it turns out tolerably

          Everything that has been done in China compares favorably by the criterion of cost / effectiveness))
          but since. hand, the Chinese ship is of little interest
          Quote: Odyssey
          Well, I don’t know, I like Akizuki.

          One of the best destroyers of World War II))

          If we talk about modern Akizuki - it’s practically an analogue of the Spanish Basan, but with the worst features
  14. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 17 2013 18: 22 New
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    Hindus with their orders of frigates for growing. the shipyard allowed shipyards and design bureaus to survive in the harsh 90s. And the excellent TFR 1135 of the project gave good offspring!
  15. Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 April 17 2013 18: 35 New
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    Oleg’s articles are recognized immediately, maybe after a couple of paragraphs. Sir! We must admit - you have a style hi
    For once, the author’s epistolary work did not cause a butthert, it pleases. Photo compilation is good.
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 21: 16 New
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      Thank you, Raphael!
      Without reader reviews, this would not make sense))
  16. Naval
    Naval April 17 2013 19: 43 New
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    Why don’t you say it - BEAUTY. Like thoroughbred horses, one feels to become and strength.
  17. Ppsh
    Ppsh April 17 2013 19: 59 New
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    The frigate of "all times and peoples" is the Soviet 61st project. Cleanliness and smoothness of lines, rational layout, optimal placement of weapons and electronic equipment. Even 956 turned out to be worse (there is no second OVC radar), I consider the frigate “Delhi” of the Indian Navy to be the heir to the tradition. Classic!
    1. Santa Fe
      April 17 2013 21: 22 New
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      "The Singing Frigate" of the 61 project)))
      The first ship in the world with a gas turbine power plant for all travel modes
      Quote: PPSh
      rational layout

      here, to be honest, I don’t agree - there were a number of fatal errors in the design of the “singing frigates”. (comment a little higher on the death of the Bold "Valiant")
    2. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 17 2013 21: 26 New
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      Quote: PPSh
      optimal deployment of weapons and RES

      Without PLRK and such a lousy CEO - I disagree.
  18. ABV
    ABV April 18 2013 01: 27 New
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    What does the Air Defense Destroyer mean (Daring) ??? destroyers have always been universal ships and primarily PLO! the British air defense destroyer Dering is good and magnificent, but it’s not a destroyer in the full sense of the term. It is a semi-destroyer with half combat capabilities. the shavers couldn’t put adequate PLO systems on the ship and presented it as a virtue ... clean Pi-Ar dirty water ...
    1. Santa Fe
      April 18 2013 01: 57 New
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      Quote: ABV
      destroyers have always been universal ships

      Always, but not always

      there were destroyers with hypertrophied air defense capabilities (air defense destroyers)
      examples are the Japanese Akizuki (WWII) or the modern British Dering


      Air defense destroyer type "Akizuki"



      "Dragon" - British air defense destroyer type 45


      were escort destroyers (with reduced speed, increased autonomy and specific composition of weapons)
      example - Buckley (WWII) or Girings, modernized under the FRAM program

      were mine destroyers
      an example is the American Robert Smith (WWII)

      there were big anti-submarine ships (destroyers PLO)
      examples are Soviet destroyers with hypertrophied anti-submarine weapons, etc. 1134-A, B, 1155, American "Spruance"

      The destroyer type "Spruance" (classified as DD and performed the role of BOD + strike capabilities. There is no zonal air defense

      were super universals Fletcher (WWII) or Orly Burke (modernity)

      The destroyers were large and small, artillery and missile, with universal artillery and without ... life is too complex and multifaceted. A single set of rules and codes does not exist.
  19. Mikola
    Mikola April 18 2013 23: 24 New
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    Strange as it is, the author evaluates the flaws of frigates
    Turkish Gambit Cruising Range 5000 Miles

    Talwar Cruising Range 4850 miles

    Disadvantages of Talvar frigates:
    - low autonomy for fuel reserves (hereditary 1135 disease).
    150 miles of difference is not a disadvantage. The author most likely gives estimates from different sources without comparing the figures.

    Seaworthiness is not generally considered as an assessment parameter - Frenchman from Singapore
    Total displacement of 3200 tons. With such a set of weapons, he is clearly overloaded. And this means that it is clearly inferior to others in seaworthiness (Third photo, proof of that).

    It is surprising that the French frigates FREMM and Chinese, which are exported en masse, were not included in the lists of the best.

    Most likely it's all a matter of taste, everyone likes their girls and their projects
    1. Santa Fe
      April 18 2013 23: 41 New
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      Quote: Mikola
      50 miles difference is not a disadvantage

      Why didn’t you notice the difference in cruising speed? wink

      Under normal economic conditions for the Perry frigate (18-20 knots), the Talwar will not creep and 3000 miles
      Quote: Mikola
      Total displacement of 3200 tons. With such a set of weapons, he is clearly overloaded

      Is it?
      Quote: Mikola
      Most likely it's all a matter of taste, everyone likes their girls and their projects

      It is truth too
      1. Mikola
        Mikola April 18 2013 23: 56 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Why didn’t you notice the difference in cruising speed?


        So is he single-shaft? One is acquired at the expense of the other. At Talwar, for such a displacement, the range is at a good level and with a two-shaft system. In the other cited frigates and under-destroyers, the range is increased due to the displacement. In general, I wonder where it came from that the project 1135 and its derivatives have low autonomy in fuel reserves (hereditary disease 1135), source? As for me, the creators squeezed the maximum out of a displacement of 4000 !!!
        1. Santa Fe
          April 19 2013 13: 04 New
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          Quote: Mikola
          In general, I wonder where it came from that the 1135 project and its derivatives have a small autonomy in fuel reserves (hereditary 1135 disease), source?

          Have 1135 with Knox, Perry, or at least old Giring, who has undergone a modernization of FRAM
          Quote: Mikola
          As for me, the creators squeezed the maximum out of the 4000 displacement !!!

          as for the original 1135, they could not install the helicopter platform + short range, weak GAS and further down the list

          Talwar is much better. but this is still an ersatz project, an attempt to squeeze the last juices out of the old design.
      2. Mikola
        Mikola April 19 2013 00: 07 New
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        Quote: Mikola
        Total displacement of 3200 tons. With such a set of weapons, he is clearly overloaded

        Is it?

        The third photo. This "beauty" with such a wave says a lot ...
        1. Santa Fe
          April 19 2013 13: 05 New
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          Quote: Mikola
          The third photo. This "beauty" with such a wave says a lot ...

          he is just small
  20. Mikola
    Mikola April 18 2013 23: 48 New
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    In the first place I would put the Talwar project or 1156.X. With all the comparisons, he has a clear advantage over others - the project has a margin for development and with the equipment of its Aegis type, he will be able to step into the class of frigate destroyers such as the Spanish Alvaro de Bazan.
    For the same reason, I am surprised why the “Alvaro de Bazan” is referred to as a frigate, it is much closer to the destroyers, an example of the mentioned British destroyer. Wikipedia does not always correctly drop information am In other sources (even such popular as Model-Designer), the Spaniard refers to destroyers !!!
    And here’s an important difference - British destroyers are equipped with a SAMPSON super-radar with an active HEADLIGHT that sees a seagull at a distance of 100 km and controls airspace within a radius of 400 km from the side of the ship.


    And the funny thing is that the author of the Franco-Italian Horizon ranked among the best frigates, but any "defective" lesser destroyer will be better than a frigate))))
    1. Mikola
      Mikola April 19 2013 00: 14 New
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      I can even assume that over time the Horizons will receive a system with headlights such as Aegis and will be ranked among the destroyers. Their "rejection" of frigates is caused by a problem with the owners' money.
    2. Santa Fe
      April 19 2013 12: 59 New
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      Quote: Mikola
      For the same reason, I wonder why Alvaro de Bazan is classified as a frigate.

      Fragatas Clase 'Álvaro de Bazán' (F-100)
      source - http://www.armada.mde.es/
      official website of the Spanish Navy
      Quote: Mikola
      he’s much closer to the destroyers,

      This is a replica of the Burke destroyer.
      Quote: Mikola
      any "defective" pre-destroyer will be better than a frigate

      the frigate is a defective pre-destroyer
  21. Alexander Kravchenko
    Alexander Kravchenko 19 November 2018 20: 16 New
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    for that Kuzya shot down 3 of his planes, one sailor and a floating dock smile
    Glory to Ukraine!!