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How do we arrange migration

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Migration and migration policy issues are a regular topic of discussion both for the top officials of the Russian Federation and for the opposition. The position of the Russian Federation as a state is very clearly expressed in the “Concept of the State Migration Policy of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2025 of the year”, approved last June. No one has yet proposed alternatives to the “Concept”, and all discussions end at best with a proposal to ban migrants and introduce a visa regime. At the same time, the fact that the same corrupt state apparatus, which brought the situation with migrants to the current apocalypse, must execute these "wishes" is absolutely ignored. The visa regime in the style of the Russian Federation will not stop anyone from entering, but its introduction will create excellent feeders, designed as visa centers, which with great pleasure will give all the necessary documents to migrants and drug traffickers. Even the prohibitive cost for those who are going to work or trade will not save - the same migrant workers from us are centrally imported by construction companies, for which this prohibitive cost will be a penny. It is impossible to fence oneself off with a leaky fence with vooot sokennymi holes, especially since the fencing off is financially interested in the flow of migrants. The visa system here and now for a specific RF and specific officials working in the system is money, money and money again. Talk about the emergence of an honest state apparatus - the usual manilovshchina.


How do we arrange migration


What then to offer? The development of the practice of visa-free visits with the introduction of a deportation deposit for high-risk categories of countries, primarily for the CIS countries and third world countries. A deportation deposit is cash reserved on a special account by a migrant during a visit to the Russian Federation. Upon arrival, the amount (differentiated depending on the risk group) is paid or reserved / authorized using payment systems (Visa, MasterCard, AmEx), and when leaving it is unblocked or, if there were cash, it is returned to the migrant. What does this give? In addition to the fact that it reduces the level of formalities and the corruption component for bona fide migrants, and for the FMS finances the activity of catching and deportation of workers, this allows us to do one more interesting thing. The amount of the deportation deposit should contain a significant premium for FMS employees.

A simple example. A certain Dzhamshut from sunny Turkestan forgot to return home, blocked on a card or a cash “deposit” was written off to the income of the Russian Federation, and the FSB ACS marked Dzhamshut as a violator of migration legislation subject to deportation. Relatively speaking, to process Jamshut in the filtration center and plant a plane in sunny Turkestan costs 250 euros. A deportation deposit is 1500 euros, while 1250 euros fall into the FMS bonus fund after the expensive Dzhamshut left the territory of the Russian Federation - this is the incentive for the entire rotten and corrupt FMS vertical to distribute the planned targets for the places to expel violators of the migration regime. Systems with a “deportation deposit” actually work in many countries of the world; they do not infringe upon the rights of bona fide travelers or migrants, but do not contain a corruption component, value judgments and personal motives, as in the visa system. Moreover, this system pays for itself, easily integrates into the existing system of registration of persons crossing the border. The additional load in terms of mass equipping of border guards with mobile POS-terminals or the opening of operating cash desks of commercial banks in transition zones are only solid revenues and tenders for services.

Any talk about migrant workers is usually in the sense that qualified and useful specialists who will help nanotechnologies, Skolkovo and other modernization must go. Thus, the system should cut off low-paid workers and at the same time be minimally corrupt. Even random checks on the qualifications of migrants in St. Petersburg showed that in fact they have no qualifications, all Tajik diplomas are lime. To entrust the officers of the FMS to check diplomas; knowledge of the language is simply to create the next feeder. Let's look at things realistically, given that we live in Russia, not in Sweden.

Two questions arise here: long-term / short-term work permits with the mechanism for maximum streamlining of documents and a notification (rather than permissive) procedure for all actions.

A short-term work permit is a permit for up to 30 days. A foreign citizen arrived under a visa-free scheme with a “deportation deposit” or received a visa, he decided to make money suddenly - give a concert / repair the reactor / plaster the Mausoleum. What should he do? The foreigner submits a notice to the FMS that will work during the stay. The notification is valid only if there is a payment on, say, 100 000 rubles. A work permit is issued remotely, it’s just a number that can be received via SMS, by phone, through a self-service terminal. When submitting a notification, the migrant indicates whether he has an employer or he pays a tax on the income of individuals. Actually, everything. On departure, it is checked whether there is a payment from the employer / employee for income tax in the database, which indicates his temporary permit number. If not, the amount is deducted from the blocked deposit for deportation. The question is closed. The system is simple, transparent, convenient for consultants, professionals, athletes, representatives of show business and other skilled workers who need to do one-time work. Technically, this can be organized without problems: a separate account in the treasury and a script that makes the analysis of payments and correlates them with the number of the passport presented at the border.

Longer term work permits are a bit more complicated. There is a question of a work permit for the employee himself and his family members (the task is to make migrants relocated with families unprofitable), and the issue of paying taxes and social insurance contributions (the system should be convenient and visual for the employer), and most importantly, the filter that hires unskilled labor.

Why do we need foreign workers? In civilized countries, they are needed in two cases:

- when the employer basically needs his expats;
- when there are no workers with the necessary qualifications.

With the first case, nothing can be done (except how to take the maximum tariff from such an employer while minimizing formalities for it, since the presence of excessive formalities and complex procedures only stimulates bribe-carrying capacity. Transnational corporations in any case rotate staff around the world and convince them local useless). In the case when it is needed specialists, regardless of nationality, the rules for their involvement should solve two problems. The first and simplest is the cutting off of unqualified personnel - "Jamshut is not needed." The second is to stimulate the training of our own national personnel; threshold restrictions should push employers to think that it is cheaper to invest in training and fellowship abroad for their compatriot than to keep a foreigner for years.

For a system of long-term work permits are critical: a notification character, the fundamental absence of a so-called. subjective decisions on the part of state bodies, the inadmissibility of state intervention in the hiring process and the presentation of any requirements (if they want a previously convicted Russian-speaking expert for a salary of three hundred thousand rubles a month, this is the employer's job, and whom and for how much to hire him not an official checking the language, education, questionnaire, etc. You can remember that we have introduced mandatory testing of migrants in the Russian language - and certificates of testing have already been put on sale, even before their finals nogo approval. Again, make allowances for the fact that you live in Russia, but not in Sweden).

So, from the employer’s side: a notice of hiring, a mandatory payment (say, five hundred thousand rubles a year for a working migrant and three hundred thousand rubles for non-working family members + an increase in the rate of payment for a migrant by 10% annually, as if bringing to a thought "the further - the more expensive, is not it easier to grow domestic specialists? "). I sent a notification, paid the annual fee, received a permit number during the 1 worker for the moment of payment. Checking the validity of work permits can be made public service: scoring the number of the permit - gives the number of the passport, and vice versa. Then, during the month of 1, a notice is sent about the conditions of the employment contract, here we just lay down the minimum rate - for a working expat the minimum wage is, say, 300 000 rubles per month. Otherwise, for an employer, an expat is no different from a regular employee, the same tax rates (only payment orders for tax payments are slightly different from those for citizens), the same payments to funds. The only difference is the growing 10% fee for the extension of a work visa. According to the document flow of all 2 notifications, one is given a work permit, the second is confirmed by the size of the salary. There is nothing to refuse to officials here - if the payment reached the treasury, then the program will generate the permission number and make it into all databases, but not the official. There is also nothing special to check if taxes and contributions to the funds are paid by the employee.

What is beneficial for expats is that if there is an employer who is ready to hire him, then the formalities are minimal, nothing needs to be translated, legalized, proved. The tax regime is similar to other employees, all issues are decided by the employer as a tax agent. In the case of self-employment - all the same. I filed a notification on working status, within a month I registered for myself the status of an entrepreneur and submitted a notification that monthly income was no less than the same three hundred thousand rubles, and all taxes and fees would be paid from this amount.

How does the state control that the expat really receives a salary not lower than the minimum, while the control is automatic and does not require any personal checks by the officials?

It is enough to stipulate that income tax payments and contributions to the pension fund for expats go to separate accounts in the treasury. The cumulative part of the pension is not accounted for, all payments are fully made to cover the deficit of the Pension Fund. In the payment orders, instead of the CSC (the field reserved for specifying the type of tax), the number of the expat's permit is indicated - this is how we automate the analysis of payments and the maintenance of registers. Say, quarterly, the FMS / FTS checks the amount of taxes and payments to the funds and compares them with the stated salary, and we have it no less than 300 000 rubles per month. If the amount of payments turns out to be less, then a notification of a defaulter is automatically generated - no additional charges are received - the labor permit is canceled, the employee quietly leaves home within a month, if not - deportation is started (it has already been paid, so there are no problems).

What does society get from this change of rules? All of these issues do not even require changes to laws, these are only government decrees and orders of the relevant services. For society, this means that working foreigners are ONLY highly paid categories of workers whose involvement gives a real return to Russian companies. And they work in areas where dumping is possible just from the local staff. Corrupt and ineffective control systems are either completely excluded from this sphere, or focused on hunting for the heads of “illegal immigrants”, and the costs of catching and deportation are charged to the illegal immigrants themselves. Those who entered before the launch of the system can generally be closed in the filtration centers, until they have completed the cost of deportation.

What do you want? Capitalism!

What do conscientious migrants and qualified professionals who want to work legally receive? Simple and understandable notification system, enhanced visa-free entry and the legality of even one-time earnings when visiting Russia.

What do employers get when they hire qualified specialists? A simple and convenient system, the legality of the allocation of costs for attracting foreigners to cost, an incentive to training national personnel.

Illegal migrants receive the need to pay for their deportation on their own, and employers of the "Gaster" - draconian fines with a mandatory premium for reporting illegal immigrants at the facility. Moreover, fines can be taken out daily until the employer gets rid of illegal immigrants, i.e. it is impossible to agree personally with an official - he will come and penalize every day, officially replenishing the bonus fund for his department.

This is how it is possible to equip migration, without "skull-riders", visa regimes and changes in legislation, with the existing administrative apparatus. There are three main principles:

- All pleasures at the expense of migrants and their employers.
- The official should be personally profitable to look for migrants and expel them.
- Minimum state regulation and maximum automation to reduce corruption capacity.

Then it will work. The introduction of visas will only slightly reduce the migration flow, further enriching Russian officials. Let's look at things realistically.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 April 17 2013 12: 37
    0
    but in general this proposal was considered?
  2. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 17 2013 15: 48
    +7
    It is necessary to revise some basic liberal provisions in the Russian legislation on discrimination by race, nationality and language. But not towards infringement and humiliation, and towards graduation by title. Russian, Tatar, Bashkir, etc. - Yes. The rest - according to professional qualities and abilities. Naturally for a foreign visa, and better also for a visa. Everything is simple and not simple. Since we need state and political will. hi
    1. avt
      avt April 17 2013 16: 04
      +9
      Quote: Nevsky
      Since we need state and political will.

      I agree, it remains a matter of little, to find politicians, state officials and whatever they have the will to really rest against the people and the country, and not rummage through the wagons under the camera.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 17 2013 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: avt
        to find politicians-statesmen and whatever they had the will to really rest against the people and the country, and not rummage through the wagons under the camera.

        The truth is somewhere nearby, but somehow in a different light wink
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 17 2013 17: 11
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: avt
          to find politicians-statesmen and whatever they had the will to really rest against the people and the country, and not rummage through the wagons under the camera.

          The truth is somewhere nearby, but somehow in a different light wink

          It is also true! But you can go the other way. Only real "statesmen" see it!
          "A different approach. On the use of local experience for solving federal problems"
          Ruslan Lyapin on odnako.org
          When our liberals are promoting another not-so-popular, if not openly harmful project, the main argument for is most often not its usefulness or effectiveness, but the lack of an alternative. The logic here is simple: there is a problem and it needs to be solved, but besides our solution there is no other, so you all have no choice - we will do it our way. The question arises: are there really no examples of other approaches and other solutions anywhere? I assure you - there is. In the regions of the Russian Federation there are hundreds of programs that you can rely on .... PravdaInform.ru
          http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13336
          1. sibircat
            sibircat April 17 2013 18: 08
            +9
            Quote: sergo0000
            The question arises: are there really no examples of other approaches and other solutions anywhere?

            There are other examples: take a trip and see Minsk, the whole city in scaffolding, the streets are clean, and not a single migrant is anywhere!
            It is necessary to fight not with consequences, but with the reasons for the thoughtless and often anti-Russian migration policy of the authorities.
            1. sergo0000
              sergo0000 April 17 2013 18: 28
              +4
              Quote: sibircat
              There are other examples: take a trip and see Minsk,

              We also have examples. In the Belgorod region, for example. If you followed the link, you could be convinced that we also have people with the state level of thinking! Only, after all, either the media are silent about this, or they specifically promote such topics as "all-pro-salipolymers" ... hi
              1. sibircat
                sibircat April 17 2013 18: 42
                +4
                Only, after all, the media either keep silent about this, or specifically promote such topics as "all-pro-salipolymers

                A crowd of officials is now earning money from migrants. They have no good examples. So they can cover the feeder.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov April 17 2013 19: 44
                  0
                  Comrades commentators, you can discuss the topic "What to do?" For a long time, but the trick is that whatever you think of - it will not affect the situation in the country in any way !!!
                  The article contains a very competent thought - "It should be PERSONALLY FAVORABLE for an official to look for migrants and send them out." I would correct it a little: It should be beneficial for an official to have the citizens of the Russian Federation live happily and their well-being to grow! Everything ... the rest will follow.
                  A group of comrades has been working on this for a long time, I recommend that you honor what they thought of and analyze wisely.
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                  1. sibircat
                    sibircat April 17 2013 20: 37
                    +1
                    I tried to read when following the links: 400 Bad Request
                    1. Quiet
                      Quiet April 17 2013 20: 48
                      0
                      I tried to read when following the links: 400 Bad Request

                      As a result, I read "SOS" - save the Russian your country as best you can. There is no hope for the government !!!!! am
                    2. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov April 17 2013 22: 40
                      -1
                      Sorry here is the link:
                      http://igpr.ru/aim
                2. Kolya
                  Kolya April 18 2013 06: 47
                  0
                  The idea with a deportation deposit is exactly what you need. Moreover, such "economic levers" are the most effective for any regulatory system. Such systems are a real fight against corruption, and not a "witch hunt" which the Russian authorities are mostly engaged in unsuccessfully. It is the people who should listen to such ideas, because everyone else will be fiercely against, bureaucrats will go out of their way to prevent a deportation deposit and the like.
        2. Quiet
          Quiet April 17 2013 20: 27
          0
          The truth is somewhere nearby, but somehow in a different light

          Today at the dentist sitting in a chair I saw pink glasses lying nearby. The joke asked him a question about the account that the client reads his account with these glasses .... The guy, the dentist, laughed for about 10 minutes !!!! laughing ... The bottom line for me ... 25% discount !!! SUMMARY: "BE FRIENDS WITH HUMOR" !!! THIS IS NOW IN RUSSIA WILD DEFICIENCY !!! (as well as on our site), many notorious simply do not understand him !!!!
    2. Quiet
      Quiet April 17 2013 20: 11
      +4
      How do we arrange migration

      What the hell ??? Pay your Russians a decent salary and see who is more than a pro ....... Recently I watched the film "Gunboat" - American. Here, the amers in 1926 at first felt sorry for the Chinese kulI who picked up and fought over the garbage from the American gunboat, agreed for a bowl of rice to wash their clothes. Then shave yourself over a bowl of rice. Next, for a bowl of rice to serve the mechanisms of the gunboat ....... As a result, all the coolers were washed off the ship when the revolution began in China !!! wassat And Amer eating a fat belly was forced to throw the coal themselves in the stoker !!!!! laughing Does this all remind you of the existing situation with guest workers in Russia ??? am wassat bully negative
    3. Konstantm
      Konstantm April 17 2013 20: 40
      +5
      We have Uzbeks from Kyrgyzstan, but with a Russian passport - a whole conclave. Now their newly arriving relatives come to the administration and demand: "We are citizens of Russia, you must provide us with apartments." And the fact that the locals live in barracks and in crumbling houses does not bother new Russians. As Chase wrote, "The sheriff does not care about the negro's problems." So, these are the pies so far.
    4. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 17 2013 21: 10
      +2
      Article garbage, withdrawal to the side, migrants are unnecessary to us!
    5. taxis
      taxis April 18 2013 01: 44
      0
      Note that the article is rated. We are all worried about immigrants - now for their abundance, then for lack. It is usually a profitable business to supply shovels for organizational matters. Who is responsible for what, then he gets it! The main thing is that children are fed up, at least with the help of shovels, at least with the help of their distribution. Only now there are more shovels, and fewer spreaders. I am for the reproduction of distributors, and you?
    6. Combitor
      Combitor April 18 2013 03: 39
      0
      Nevsky, In order for "state and political will" to appear, it is necessary that a real man and citizen work as the president of our country, and not that amoeba-like creature who deceived the highest state post of Russia, imagines himself a Fuhrer and put his friends, classmates, relatives and drinking companions, thus multiplying state corruption of the ministerial and bureaucratic apparatus unprecedented in the history of not only Russia but the whole world.
  3. Romch
    Romch April 17 2013 15: 52
    +7
    Each migrant arriving should understand that he has come to visit and must behave accordingly, respecting our customs and observing the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and supposedly I don’t understand, mowing as a fool, but I do it in my own way, it’s hard to punish and blacklist for refusal to enter repeatedly for 10 years.
    1. Manager
      Manager April 17 2013 16: 00
      +4
      Quote: RomCH
      severely punish and blacklist for refusal of entry repeatedly for 10 years.


      Neither again! Or prison or Magnitsky’s list))
    2. donchepano
      donchepano April 17 2013 16: 14
      +4
      Quote: RomCH
      Each migrant arriving must understand that he has come to visit and must behave accordingly, respecting our customs and observing the Constitution of the Russian Federation


      The authorities with their liberal laws and liberalism in general are to blame for the uncontrolled influx of migrants and all kinds of asocial elements, including foreign residency.
      We should not have a headache how to equip migrants in Russia.
      It would be better if the authorities resolved the issue of developing production and domestic goods in Russia and providing jobs for their citizens.
      1. paul1969
        paul1969 April 17 2013 16: 41
        -1
        I have already spoken out: one continuous radioactive buffer - and the kotnor is closed
  4. Nevsky
    Nevsky April 17 2013 15: 54
    +2
    Romch

    Each migrant arriving should understand that he has come to visit and should behave accordingly, respecting our customs and observing the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and supposedly mowing as a fool, I don’t know, I don’t understand, but I’m doing it in my own way is not permissible,


    Some water and words. Initially, there must be a mechanism and a proposal for the inevitability of such an "understanding" by a migrant.


    severely punish and blacklist for refusal of entry repeatedly for 10 years.


    And this is the case. yes
    1. Romch
      Romch April 17 2013 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky
      Some water and words. Initially, there must be a mechanism and a proposal for the inevitability of such an "understanding" by a migrant.

      I’m talking about this and forbid entry in case of violation of the stay, otherwise they will be deported, and they will go back the next day, and if they send them with a ban on entry and a horse fine, they will become much smaller. And the price tag for their services, by the way, became the same as the Russians, the Gaster began to hover, the only advantage so far was not thumping. PS In general, for three years I would have generally prohibited labor migration so that my labor market would work as it should, then the leaders may finally start vocational schools, because there are no personnel, only managers and lawyers, everything was taken away by EBN.
  5. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. April 17 2013 15: 59
    +5
    "- All the fun at the expense of migrants and their employers.
    - The official should be personally profitable to look for migrants and expel them.
    - Minimum state regulation and maximum automation to reduce corruption capacity.

    Then it will work. The introduction of visas will only slightly reduce the migration flow, further enriching Russian officials. Let's look at things realistically.

    Author Dmitry Ozerov "


    The author has a plus, as well as the article ... But all this "in figs" is unnecessary for anyone.
    This is the most lousy. How much, on the site, this was discussed ...
  6. Veterinar
    Veterinar April 17 2013 16: 00
    +5
    the guilty need to be sought not among migrants, but among law enforcement
  7. svp67
    svp67 April 17 2013 16: 16
    +2
    Quote: Z.A.M.
    The officer should be PERSONALLY FAVORABLE



    Introduce the practice of "bounty hunters" and pay bonuses for each caught illegal ...
    1. redwolf_13
      redwolf_13 April 17 2013 16: 26
      +9
      Why hunters. There are soldiers of military service. For each caught whole illegal 100 rubles bonus. Yes, in 1 month they’ll catch everyone wink At the sidekick on the ship rattled rats, the commander gave an instruction for 5 tails oval out of turn. They caught everyone so they also arranged a hunt on the neighbors. I understand the incorrect comparison. But there would be an incentive and there are people
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... April 17 2013 16: 42
        -1
        One hundred rubles to get dirty? More suggest. Perhaps awaken the lowlands still condemned and unacceptable by our people.
      2. Pelican
        Pelican April 17 2013 18: 28
        0
        Reminded of a joke.
        A company of alcoholic contract soldiers was recruited to Afghanistan. The terms of payment are simple, for a dushman’s head is a bottle of vodka. The company loaded into the plane, took off. In Dushanbe, we sat down for refueling. As soon as they took off, the door of the cockpit wildly began to knock.
        -What's the matter?
        -Two two bottles!
      3. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 17 2013 21: 35
        0
        Quote: redwolf_13
        At the sidekick on the ship rattled rats commander instructed


        Wha ha ha !!! What kind of "ship" is this? A case not in the times of "Broneteomkin Ponosets"? So and that there were not simple rats, but RATS! Do we know what it led to?
        And so, on a normal "naval unit", if the commander is not "boy Niels" with a miracle pipe, then regularly "the entire contingent unaccounted for in the ship's role" is subjected to terrible persecution, otherwise called deratization!

        But if your "sidekick" is a gray-haired old man with a bushy mustache smoked by a bomber, and written in labor as "skipper NS (landing stage)", then it's okay. ... ... recourse hi

        Or he ("sidekick") lives on "volatile standing up goladnets Mistral " No.
        1. redwolf_13
          redwolf_13 April 18 2013 01: 56
          0
          No, this is a Project 1135 ship (Burevesnik) under the proud name of "Sentinel" expelled to the Pacific Fleet for a riot in the Baltic Sea in some way "Battleship Potemkin". But this is not the point, the ship has been standing at the wall for 5 years under modernization. The unaccounted for personnel with tails was enough in full. You have not yet seen what was happening on the "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" where the personnel were afraid to go down into the holds and could bite.
          And the "old man" is now a big man with good shoulder straps, only he does not wear a mustache and does not smoke.
          And at you I see great knowledge about "naval units" not as the study took place at the Brandvakhta. And on the other hand, complete deratization is done upon leaving the ship from the plant. Well, this is just in case in the "piggy bank" of new knowledge
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger April 18 2013 08: 23
            0
            Respect Alexei!
            Quote: redwolf_13
            not like studying took place at Brandwacht

            This "guardhouse" in my time was called only the BOD "Simferopol" pr. 1155, that is, the "older brother" of the aforementioned "Guard". We got off some stocks. So say hello to your friend from brother with SF.
            I don’t know about the frequency of mandatory deratization and deinsectization measures, but the sailors were constantly puzzled so that they wouldn’t be "pinned" from them -
            lobsters

            With me, such a situation would be impossible.
            Quote: redwolf_13
            the ship stood at the wall for 5 years under modernization. The unaccounted for personnel with tails was enough in full. You have not yet seen what was happening at the "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" where the personnel were afraid to go down into the holds and could bite.

            I am ashamed and sad from all this. "Dying ships" - it hurts to look at such a sailor (probably not only). There is nothing more to say. ... ...

            http://admin.liga-net.com/my/analytics/politics/antiputin.html



            And about the "Petrel" last year and here was an article.
            http://topwar.ru/9849-pod-shifrom-burevestnik.html
            A lot of interesting comments, however, as always hi
            Health and Good Luck !!!
            1. redwolf_13
              redwolf_13 April 18 2013 08: 55
              0
              I bow to you from the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. I will say hello immediately upon meeting. Yes, it's sad to watch the ships die. An indicative story was that "Peter the Great" from the Northern Fleet came to us and put it next to the same pier with "Admiral Lazarev", honestly, the sailors and officers were baptized, seeing what they had brought the ship to. It looked like two brothers, only one alive and the other already a corpse.
              And I wish you good health soldier
      4. Nikolai N
        Nikolai N April 18 2013 02: 37
        0
        Suppliers will also make business trips to countries behind black bone when they catch the closest laughing
    2. Anti
      Anti April 17 2013 21: 41
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Introduce the practice of "bounty hunters" and pay bonuses for each caught illegal.


      Better for those who "ligalize" them.
      1. matross
        matross April 17 2013 22: 41
        0
        It’s not interesting to catch them. They are all in sight. There will be no excitement laughing
  8. krez-74
    krez-74 April 17 2013 16: 22
    +3
    Laws aimed at improving the welfare of the country's population, their mandatory implementation, and the equality of all before the law. Plus, close the country from foreign migrant workers, only top-class specialists in areas where they are needed!
    I think more is needed for normalization.
  9. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 17 2013 16: 32
    +2
    To resolve any issue, including migration, it is necessary to remove the corruption components in the government structures: police, the FMS, the courts, the prosecutor’s office, etc. This is for the implementation of laws, and for their adoption - the same would be nice to do in the government and the State Duma ...
  10. Romch
    Romch April 17 2013 16: 38
    +3
    Quote: sanyabasik
    To resolve any issue, including migration, it is necessary to remove the corruption components in the government structures: police, the FMS, the courts, the prosecutor’s office, etc. This is for the implementation of laws, and for their adoption - the same would be nice to do in the government and the State Duma ...

    And if you try honestly? The fish rots from the head, If Putin today tells the migrants to drive out a filthy broom, tomorrow they will not be there and no matter what ways they do it.
  11. rennim
    rennim April 17 2013 16: 39
    12
    What the article says is just the tip of the iceberg. Today I saw these "migrants" myself ... They all already have Russian passports. And Tajik ones too (passports) ... Our country is like a trough of holes. Whoever gives a paw is a citizen of the Russian Federation. It is necessary to immediately check all passport offices and departments of the FMS. There is a fabulous CORRUPTION. WHERE is the FSB ... what awaits. Well, at least someone will work on it. Otherwise tomorrow they will evict us from their own homes. The President ... the Prime Minister ... wake up! Stop talking, we need to save our house. Or your homeland is no longer RUSSIA ???
    1. Veterinar
      Veterinar April 17 2013 16: 41
      -8
      nobody will evict anyone, are you
      they’re just a labor force coming to us to earn money, don’t like it, go work it yourself
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 17 2013 21: 51
        +1
        Quote: Veterinar
        they’re just a labor force coming to us to earn money


        Migration creates a global problem for the space called the Russian Federation. When there are many people who are ready to work for a bowl of soup, the business will not hire people who are not ready to work for a bowl of soup and who, among other things, require social guarantees. It’s stupid to blame the business for this situation, since it has always been and will continue to take the path of least resistance: while the situation is such that instead of buying an excavator, it’s cheaper to attract a hundred people with shovels. In a sense, the attraction of a low-skilled workforce, which also works for the most part outside the legal field on slave terms, is an innovation, as it allows organizations to reduce costs and become more competitive.

        Thus, the general level of education and qualifications is being eroded in the country. Now we have about 10-15 million low-skilled migrant workers. An additional import is planned, but we won’t bring so much educated and highly qualified - they don’t go to us. At the same time, the Ministry of Labor intends to spend hundreds of billions of rubles in the coming years on their attraction and adaptation. If the same money is additionally directed to the education of our citizens, there is still a chance that in 20 years we will still not forget how to fly into space. If at least 10 million more people are imported, then almost half the economically active population of the country will be obtained. This is a passionate population: we will all be Central Asians soon.

        Meanwhile, the concept of labor market development is being adopted, where it says that it will only get worse (from my point of view). Puten sets the task of creating 25 million “good and well-paid” jobs by 2020, but the real policy in the field of personnel leads to the fact that by this time an additional 25 million jobs will be created for low-skilled migrants. It seems to me that the situation where everyone is talking about the same thing, but everything is done the other way around, is not just strange, but criminal. This is sabotage action !!!!!! am
  12. Maximus
    Maximus April 17 2013 16: 44
    -4
    I think soon the nuts will be tightened for the migrants, everyone is waiting for signatures on the customs union, the EurAsEC, the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the like, as soon as the Central Asian princes settle with us all the details of these issues and everything, then you can forget about preferential migration concessions to the same Tajiks. Everything will be tightened a little, imperceptibly. As there are now the first initiatives, we have to take exams for a driver’s license, entry only for international partners, an increase in fines.
  13. bubla5
    bubla5 April 17 2013 16: 46
    +4
    So there will be no changes, every year some words and surprised stupid faces on TV, and migrants in bulk get citizenship, migration has long gone out of control, the Federal Migration Service has to be liquidated for a long time, and its functions should be returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs
    1. Owl
      Owl April 17 2013 16: 58
      +9
      And yet, tired of hearing from "powerful citizens" the abusive word, for me, the word "tolerance". I was taught (in my childhood, in the 70-80s) to respect PEOPLE and treat people as a HUMANITY, if members of a diaspora (no matter which one) consider themselves superior to all other citizens, then such a diaspora must be suppressed and dispersed. Let the members of the diaspora return back: to Tashkent, to Dushanbe, to Centeroi and to Grozny.
      1. Veterinar
        Veterinar April 17 2013 17: 10
        -9
        give examples of inhuman relations of visitors to the indigenous population, pzhlst
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 17 2013 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: Veterinar
          give examples of inhuman relations of visitors to the indigenous population, pzhlst

          http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13317Будни Ставрополья: ограбление и угрозы кавказцев в Невинномысске. (видео)
          Among Caucasians there are also non-citizens of Russia
          1. Waterfall
            Waterfall April 17 2013 17: 44
            -7
            Do not rock the boat
            1. sanyabasik
              sanyabasik April 17 2013 21: 22
              0
              Quote: Wasserfall
              Do not rock the boat
            2. Karabin
              Karabin April 17 2013 23: 36
              +4
              Quote: Wasserfall
              Do not rock the boat

              Do rats feel sick?
          2. Veterinar
            Veterinar April 17 2013 17: 46
            -2
            Thank you very much for answering =)
            there is such a thing, but can you find crimes in approximately the same character only from people of Russian nationality and to Russians?
            I think you can ..
            what turns out, a person, regardless of nationality, is an animal, and the solution lies in the legislation and in the implementation of laws by employees of bodies
            is not it?
            PS throw more minuses, because disagreeing with your opinion and not having your own
        2. sergo0000
          sergo0000 April 17 2013 17: 44
          +1
          Weekdays of Stavropol Territory: robbery and threats of Caucasians in Nevinnomyssk. (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sRdSO_M9XgA
        3. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 17 2013 22: 04
          +1
          Quote: Veterinar
          give examples of inhuman relations of visitors to the indigenous population, pzhlst

          Yes, it is necessary to post only "reports from the fronts" all over Russia for a month on the site. Everyday. Dozens. And they will not be repeated. Why am I explaining this, and to whom. ... ...
          Here is the "one and only", well, or ooooooooooo "rare" -

          April 3 2013
          In the Airport district in Moscow, two “touring” men from Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan carried out several brutal attacks on random passers-by in one evening, the head office of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia reported in Moscow.
          In 23.00 in the courtyard of house number 9 on Chernyakhovsky Street, migrants attacked a 65-year-old pensioner. Fell into a snowdrift, strangled, took the bag and mobile. In less than half an hour, they attacked another victim.
          In 23.23 in the courtyard of house number 38 on Krasnoarmeyskaya they met a 54-year-old Muscovite - she was dealt with according to the developed scheme. The victim of a robbery was in the hospital with damage to the larynx and heart attack.
          After about 20 minutes strangers attacked a 21-year-old girl, taking a bag and a mobile phone. Another victim of young criminals was a drunk man walking from the subway to the house.
          They managed to detain the criminal duet the same night. These are 23-year-old Dastan Askarov and 21-year-old Otamurad Gaparov. Young people lived in Moscow for more than a month, but did not work anywhere. Apparently, robberies that they committed out of hatred allowed them to feed in the capital.
          Kyrgyz Dastan Askarov, strangling his victims, said: "I hate snickering Muscovites!". Another could not express his position, since he did not know the Russian language at all.


          AROUND THE WORLD THIS IS CALLED S-A-F-A_R-I !!!!!!
    2. Maximus
      Maximus April 17 2013 17: 00
      +1
      "And you can't hide from them, you can't hide" laughing .
      But seriously, this is a World problem: in the USA they are Latinos and Chinese, in Germany there are Turks, in England and France, Arabs and Africans. As the saying goes "Great Overpopulation of Nations" part 2
      1. zennon
        zennon April 17 2013 18: 23
        +1
        Maximus.
        Who do you mean by Africans? If Afrikaner, then these are descendants of the Dutch, Germans, and French living there for 350 years. The Maghreb Arabs are their homeland.
        1. Maximus
          Maximus April 17 2013 18: 34
          0
          By the way, Afrikaners also run a little bit, especially to the USA and Australia, and I meant blacks and Arabs from northern Africa.
          (Afrikaners are for the most part Dutch, the British in southern Africa "fiddled" with them for a long time in the Boer Wars, and the Negroes are still squeezing them out of South Africa ...
          1. zennon
            zennon April 17 2013 20: 50
            0
            Well, write. And then boxing, the commentator gives out "an Englishman and a Frenchman." Two niggas get out.
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger April 17 2013 22: 55
              +1
              Quote: zennon
              Get out two niggas.


              By the way, a COGNITIVE PAGE.
              Do you know who they call "white blacks". It seems like nonsense? Not at all. Here is a screen from one forum where specialists discussed genetics.
              White blacks are those who had blacks in their ancestors, and with a dominant gene responsible for "coloring (monkeys)", but after generations it turns out to be suppressed, Mainly by maternal genetics, and such "handsome men" are born.
              Do not think that these are downs (and how it seems). It was separately noted that almost everyone has education and normal work, even two candidates for a doctor of science, and two titled athletes.
              It’s just mom, a descendant of those English or Holland who sinned a bit with a niger.
              All. He dropped this indelible infection into her! am
              abomination

              Remember that all travelers noted the beauty of Russian women.
              Who wants these kids, grandchildren?
              Gaster's "independent ass republic !!!!!!

              PS. Click on the photo with the RIGHT mouse button, open in a separate tab - get an enlarged image. Laugh and. . . think it over !!!!
  14. Warrawar
    Warrawar April 17 2013 16: 59
    +6
    You need to do as in normal countries (such as the UAE):
    -strict visa regime
    guest workers travel only at the invitation of the employer, for an already signed employment contract for a specified period
    -full payment by the employer and guest workers of all taxes and fees
    -Living guest workers strictly in special ghettos isolated from the local population, under full control by law enforcement agencies and in full sanitation
    -centralized transportation of migrant workers from the labor ghetto to the place of work in transport
    -it is desirable to build transportation routes and time of work for migrant workers so that they do not intersect with the local population or tourists
    - leaving the ghetto territory is strictly prohibited, except on official days off and on receipt (by analogy with the termination of service for military service)
    -after the expiration of the period for which the labor contract was concluded, the payment of full wages and centralized export outside the country
    This is the only way to solve problems with migrants, and the other is from the evil one. This method really works in developed countries that are worried about the problems of their people and their international image.
  15. Strashila
    Strashila April 17 2013 17: 00
    +9
    In Russia, 38 million people of working age work in opaque conditions, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Olga Golodets said on Wednesday. According to Interfax, the official spoke at the 14th April international conference on economic and social development in Moscow.

    In her opinion, "these people create serious problems for the whole society." “Unfortunately, our labor market is practically not legitimized today. In sectors that we see and understand, only 48 million people are employed. All the rest - it is not clear where they are busy, what are they doing, how are they busy"- said Golodets.

    Golodets clarified that today in Russia there are about 86 million people of working age /

    The figures speak for themselves ... what kind of needs do migrant workers have in mind ... these are scribblers who, through corrupt officials of all ranks, destroy the economy, working potential of the country, replenish the ranks of crime. Complete closure of borders and expulsion of all to their original homeland, deprivation citizenship received over the past 20 years ... the seizure of educational documents. Paradoxically, programs to return compatriots do not work, but those who oppress our compatriots in the republics of the former USSR are inundated and get citizenship.
    In fact, there is genocide of their own citizens and compatriots with the support and financing of the government of the Russian Federation, this is not called otherwise.
  16. Humpty
    Humpty April 17 2013 17: 04
    +2
    The idea is quite funny. I am Russian, I live in a dysfunctional country, from where the flow of drugs and migrant workers to Russia goes, I’m going to let my friends or relatives go, how much will I need to put in a deposit? How many nights to stand in line at the consulate for a visa (there are about 15 benches there), and the line is long, long.
    Personally, I do not believe that in the foreseeable future Russia will be able to introduce a smart law regulating migration.
    1. zennon
      zennon April 17 2013 20: 15
      +3
      You need to return the concept of nationality, extinct liberals in the 90s. And also the concept of ethnic Russians. These people are a green street, and leave the genetic garbage over the hill.
  17. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 17 2013 17: 09
    -2
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: avt
    to find politicians-statesmen and whatever they had the will to really rest against the people and the country, and not rummage through the wagons under the camera.

    The truth is somewhere nearby, but somehow in another light of wink

    You dear wanted to say: in another place :?
  18. Warrawar
    Warrawar April 17 2013 17: 10
    +4
    Quote: Humpty
    The idea is quite funny. I am Russian, I live in a dysfunctional country, from where the flow of drugs and migrant workers to Russia goes, I’m going to let my friends or relatives go, how much will I need to put in a deposit? How many nights to stand in line at the consulate for a visa (there are about 15 benches there), and the line is long, long.
    Personally, I do not believe that in the foreseeable future Russia will be able to introduce a smart law regulating migration.

    The fact of the matter is that everything was done so that the Russian could not return to the homeland of their ancestors, but any Asian can easily "come in large numbers", and it does not matter who he is and for what purposes, all the doors are open for him.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 17 2013 17: 57
      +2
      What does the homeland begin with? Yes, from the consulate. In our consulate at the entrance are people of completely non-Slavic and not Tatar appearance.
  19. darksoul
    darksoul April 17 2013 17: 14
    +2
    It is necessary to build a competent immigration policy ..... let immigrants come but only educated literate people who will really help in the development of Russia, and not as now uncontrolled hordes of emigrants who from all construction sites have crowded out our specialists who stagger there and get together in clans and then happen bad things
  20. Veterinar
    Veterinar April 17 2013 17: 16
    -8


    Homo sapiens, but cannot live humanly, friends live on the same planet
  21. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 17 2013 17: 19
    +7
    As they say, "We didn't come in large numbers, you haven't left yet."
  22. Warrawar
    Warrawar April 17 2013 17: 22
    +2
    Quote: Veterinar


    Homo sapiens, but cannot live humanly, friends live on the same planet

    Ok, then let's "live together on the same planet" not in Russia, but let's say in Tochkiston or Uzbekston and in all the other "groans". And then somehow everything turns out in one gate - your country is "our" country, and my country is "my" country.
    1. Veterinar
      Veterinar April 17 2013 17: 30
      -5
      think primitively comrade
      you just need to relate humanly to people

      I’ve been following the site for a long time, I like to read comments .. the psychology of a person is such that he follows society everywhere, whether it is a herd or not .. and if there is at least one dissenting person, they will ruin it with poop

      that we have, there is an acute problem of migration (everyone doesn’t care about emigration for a long time, although they can also throw it up) - and what's next, nationalism is in fashion .. here they write about the atrocities of visitors from somewhere it’s not clear some villages, where are the arguments? I didn’t see, but every Nazi writes about his kind heart, fits in? not
      the same thing with patriotism .. they heard that being a patriot is good and begin to throw odorous substances at each other, remaining in the light of good intentions

      where are the arguments? minus this by itself, without them in any way
      1. Leisure
        Leisure April 17 2013 17: 52
        0
        You are not one of those to whom they spit in the eyes, but to him all God's dew.
        1. Veterinar
          Veterinar April 17 2013 17: 57
          0
          so you can spit in different ways, one thing on the Internet, does it really carry ground and power? No, of course, these are toys in reputation, I played enough five years ago on other forums
          you also need to see from whom this negativity comes, for example, comments on the demotivators portal, there is one shkolota and their opinions can be taken seriously?
          it’s more expensive for you to go out with such rascals

          PS who has not thrown cons yet, throw =)
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 17 2013 19: 27
        0
        Arguments? If you need arguments, look for information on the news portals, there you will be full of these arguments.
        Well, there is also such a thing as statistics. So, according to it, more than half of the crimes in Russia are committed by "migrants", and in some areas (for example, drug trafficking) at 100%. Moreover, official representatives of the authorities and law enforcement agencies are already talking about this openly.
        He who has eyes will see!
      3. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 17 2013 19: 29
        0
        Here is a small cut:
        On Friday, Moscow Chief Prosecutor Sergei Kudeneyev said that every second rape and every third robbery and robbery in the capital was committed by foreign migrants. In addition, visitors are guilty of every fifth murder that occurred in Moscow. It is the illegal actions of migrants, according to Sergei Kudeneyev, that led to an increase in crime in 2012. For example, thefts have increased by 7,2 percent, the number of especially serious crimes increased by 11,4 percent, and serious ones by 5,6 percent. The number of offenses committed by members of organized groups jumped as much as 37,6 percent.
        According to Andrei Lavrenko, head of the Main Investigative Directorate of the RF IC for Petersburg, the number of crimes committed by foreigners in St. Petersburg increased by a quarter in just a year. Thus, every sixth murder and every third rape is committed by migrants.
      4. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 17 2013 19: 31
        0
        here are the arguments
      5. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 17 2013 19: 34
        +5
        Here are the arguments for you, a small cut in the statements of officials in Moscow and St. Petersburg
        Moscow
        The authorities recognized the problem of ethnic crime: every second rape and every third robbery and robbery in Moscow is carried out by foreign migrants
        On Friday, Moscow Chief Prosecutor Sergei Kudeneev announced that every second rape and every third robbery and robbery in the capital are committed by foreign migrants. In addition, visitors are guilty of every fifth murder that occurred in Moscow. It is the illegal actions of migrants, according to Sergei Kudeneyev, that led to an increase in crime in 2012. For example, thefts have increased by 7,2 percent, the number of especially serious crimes increased by 11,4 percent, and serious ones by 5,6 percent. The number of offenses committed by members of organized groups jumped as much as 37,6 percent. http://kprf.ru/roscrisis/115085.html

        St. Petersburg
        Every third rape in St. Petersburg is made by migrants
        According to Andrei Lavrenko, head of the Main Investigative Directorate of the RF IC for Petersburg, the number of crimes committed by foreigners in St. Petersburg increased by a quarter in just a year. Thus, every sixth murder and every third rape is committed by migrants. http://www.baltinfo.ru/2013/01/30/Prestupnost-sredi-inostrantcev-v-Peterburge-uv

        elichilas-za-god-na-25-333352
        migrants commit more than half of all crimes, and in some areas (for example, drug trafficking) all 100%.
        Otherwise, everything is fine, we are all the same, we live on the same earth. It’s all the Russian fascists to blame for everything.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy April 18 2013 02: 21
          +1
          In St. Petersburg, on a Turku street, a citizen of Uzbekistan shot down two women on the sidewalk and disappeared. The court deprived the detainee of a driver’s license for 18 months.
          http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1129957-0/

          Crime Overview in the Russian Federation for November 2012
          http://pn14.info/?p=125718

          The review of crime in the Russian Federation for December 2012
          http://pn14.info/?p=126856
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar April 18 2013 13: 33
            0
            St. Petersburg, April 18 (New Region, Ekaterina Izotova) - In the St. Petersburg metro, passengers notice the inappropriate behavior of foreign citizens of Asian appearance, openly harassing women.
            In an interview with Rosbalt, a Petersburger named Alevtina said that the night before, at rush hour, when she was riding the subway, several young Asian men entered the car at the Alexander Nevsky Square station. Almost in the open they began to snuggle up to the young passengers, grab them by the intimate parts of the body and unfasten their own pants.
            “At first, I did not really understand the reaction of the young neighbor in the car, who in horror turned around at the young Asian, who was standing behind, and tried to fence herself off from him with some kind of magazine. The girl managed to move away from him, and then the passengers noticed that the man was standing with his pants unbuttoned and trying to grab the girl by, sorry, the ass. At the next stop, the girl ran out, but the men remained. After which he and his friends (there were three of them) began to cling to other passengers, including me, who were no longer able to leave. They brazenly grabbed me and the neighbors, feeling complete impunity, ”the woman said.
            Alevtina screamed loudly, but the Asians didn’t scare them too much - they ordered “to shut up” and continued to pester the standing girls. “Maybe they have a spring aggravation. They probably need carnal joys. But what do we residents of St. Petersburg have to do with it? If inadequate migrants are allowed to come to us, then they should be provided with their women, ”Alevtina is indignant.
            At present, it is not known whether victims of inadequate Asian behavior contacted the police.
            NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/northwest/434929.html
      6. sleepy
        sleepy April 18 2013 02: 26
        +1
        The President of Russia supported the idea of ​​legislatively prohibiting the mention in the media of the nationality of suspects and convicts, sanctions are proposed until the closure of the media.
        http://pn14.info/?p=124915

        The corresponding legislative initiative - a ban on mentioning the nationality and religion of criminals - V. Putin asked the Moscow City Duma speaker Vladimir Platonov to support at a meeting of the head of state with the Council of Legislators.

        “I agree with you, the offender does not have a nationality: what difference does it make to what ethnic group is a person who has violated the rule of law? Therefore, it is necessary that the appropriate procedures go through. I don’t want to intervene, but if he (the law) reaches me in its final form, I will certainly support him, ”said V. Putin.

        At the same time, he emphasized the need to comply with the main principle - the inevitability and justice of the punishment for a crime, regardless of the ethnicity of the perpetrator.

        In the summer of 2012, the head of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities and a member of the presidential council for interethnic relations, Gadzhet Safaraliev (United Russia), advocated the idea of ​​banning journalists from indicating the nationality of the “reporting hero” in the materials.

        It is proposed to ban the media from indicating not only the nationality of the offender, but also the region from which the offender is a native. The relevant amendments will be made by the Committee on Nationalities, said its chairman, Gadzhet Safaraliev.
        “I believe that specifying the region of the criminal or the accused is just as unnecessary as specifying the nationality,” he says. - Because the indication of nationality and region in crime reports forms a negative opinion not only about the ethnic group as a whole, but also about the region. Many people are beginning to believe that people from this region are more prone to crime ... "
      7. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 18 2013 13: 41
        0
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4rYKsizTqx4#!
  23. Warrawar
    Warrawar April 17 2013 17: 23
    +3
    Asians destroy Russia, is it not clear to anyone?
    And we will all live happily in "Russostan" on the same planet and enjoy life.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 17 2013 17: 24
      +9
      Quote: Warrawar
      Asians destroy Russia, is it not clear to anyone?

      Not Asians, but our creatures are corrupt. Starting from the ordinary cop and ending with the bumps in the government and administrations.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar April 17 2013 17: 27
        +2
        Well, yes, our stupid, corrupt creatures will hand over the country to feed "bros" from Central Asia.
  24. xmike
    xmike April 17 2013 17: 31
    0
    And the deportation deposit is 1500 euros, with 1250 euros being transferred to the FMS premium fund after dear Jamshut left the territory of the Russian Federation - this is the incentive for the entire rotten and corrupt vertical of the FMS to distribute planned tasks to the places for expelling violators of the migration regime.


    1) And do you have a bribe at Jamshut 1500 euros?

    2) This approach will only lead to increased corruption - after all, Jamshut will "find" someone to give 250 euros
    and cross the border.
    1. Leisure
      Leisure April 17 2013 17: 50
      +4
      1) The problem of Jamsut is 1500 euros.
      2) To whom they gave 250 euros, give a real term of imprisonment.
    2. antiaircrafter
      April 17 2013 18: 29
      +5
      Quote: xmike
      1) And what about 1500 euros for Dzhamshut? 2) This approach will only lead to increased corruption - after all, Dzhamshut will "find" someone to give 250 euros and cross the border.

      1) The problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care .... the cut-off price.
      2) And in the event of a capture in the filtration camp, the cost of expelling him will be fully worked out.
  25. igorspb
    igorspb April 17 2013 18: 27
    +8
    I am personally for any maximum tightening of migration laws.
    1. waisson
      waisson April 17 2013 19: 43
      +4
      mutually support
  26. open
    open April 17 2013 18: 31
    +1
    Russia will not solve the migration problem under capitalism
  27. Nikolay-
    Nikolay- April 17 2013 19: 09
    +2
    Set out in the article can quite organically be combined with the visa regime. A visa regime (foreign passport) is needed if only because modern documents of a number of CIS countries are not read by automatic registration systems.
  28. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 17 2013 20: 18
    +3
    Twenty years ago during a tea party with one of the Azeris in his cafe, he told me that they were strangled in vain in Russia, because. the future is with them and showed me a map of the USSR in Azerbaijani and the whole territory of which was painted in green Muslim color ... I laughed ... Twenty years have passed and what I have been told more and more becomes like that warning from the head from one of the Muslim diasporas ... It would be better if I did not see this ....
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 17 2013 20: 46
      -1
      Now count up, there are 143 million in Russia, and those who go to Russia how many? They’ll not be 100 years old to make your card a reality. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow, but in a month? in a year? in 10-20 years "You never know what he painted there, the Chinese and Japanese also draw, and what? And do you hope to see a map of fragmented Russia? That these plans are not being implemented at all. Many people can draw and fantasize, only fantasies do not come true. According to Western forecasts by 2000, there should be 130 million Russians, and we see 143 mil! by the way, here’s an online population meter in Russia. every 17 seconds a new resident of the country is born!

      http://demoscope.ru/weekly/app/popclock/popclock.php

      and I will once again remind those who write that the population is dying out in a million, at the same time do not forget to write how many are born angry
      1. sleepy
        sleepy April 18 2013 02: 30
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        "... and I will once again remind those who write that the population of a million is dying out, at the same time do not forget to write how many are born."
  29. Vtel
    Vtel April 17 2013 20: 45
    +3
    It seems that this Concept is very similar to the legalized invasion of migrants to Russia. The order is clearly liberal - to dilute or dissolve the Russian population with a huge number of migrants and get the Khazar Kaganate. Humanly, of course, I feel sorry for them, let's say all thanks to "Humpbacked" - he destroyed the Great Power for 30 pieces of silver. The same project, though not on this topic - the abolition of monetary rewards for donating blood, and now it is desperately in short supply - and here the "Fifth" column famously worked.
  30. atalef
    atalef April 17 2013 20: 53
    0
    Quote: Vtel
    The order is clearly liberal - to dilute or dissolve the Russian population with a huge number of migrants and get the Khazar Khaganate

    Probably still a caliphate, because Jews somehow leave Russia more than come

    Quote: Vtel
    let's say all thanks to "Humpbacked" - destroyed the Great Power for 30 pieces of silver

    In this great stainless (which you miss), there would be no Gaster, but there would be full citizens of the USSR, residents of the Central Asian republics - guests of the capital. The most interesting thing you would not be able to say anything to them if they danced lezginka on your landing.
    I would feel equal - in a zoo.
    Quote: Vtel
    The same project, though not on this topic - the abolition of monetary rewards for donating blood, and now it is desperately in short supply - and here the "Fifth" column famously worked.

    Wanted blood or money? laughing laughing laughing
  31. optimist
    optimist April 17 2013 22: 58
    0
    As long as capitalism exists in Russia with all its "consequences" - all this chatter on the topic "how to equip Russia" - an empty concussion of air. At the moment, the country is in the same place where it was 100 years ago. We are waiting for the next "rather big and invincible" war, during which the current regime will get rid of it in full. And then the "smart" Russian people will finally figure out what to do ...
  32. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 17 2013 23: 42
    +1
    Security deposit in the Russian Federation, for former citizens of the USSR.
  33. 120352
    120352 April 18 2013 01: 18
    +3
    Arranging migration, especially from Muslim countries, is very simple. a) prohibit their entry into Russia; c) direct migration flows in the opposite direction, back. Talk about a lack of working hands is a provocation. Today in Russia 1 million. 106 thousand of their unemployed who can’t find jobs because they are occupied by migrant workers.
    The shortsightedness of politicians who have committed this migratory lawlessness is bewildering. The whole world knows that back in 1975, the World Islamic Conference decided to mass migration to Christian countries in order to achieve a demographic advantage. This is a tactical goal. Strategic - to ensure the replacement of Christianity by Islam, introduce Sharia courts, replace secular states with medieval caliphates.
    Islamic civilization is incompatible with Christian (it is not so much about believers as about values). There will never be a normal relationship between us and them. Everything is simple. If it is not customary for us to lie, then in Islam this is allowed in relation to the infidels (you and I). The Muslim constitution is the Qur'an, and secular laws do not have power. Recently, there was information that 80% of rapes in St. Petersburg were committed by visiting Muslims. The explanation is simple. The Muslim, according to the Qur'an, has the right not only to rape non-Islamic women, but also to appropriate the property of infidels. Hence the whole crime.
    So let’s equip it! Under items a) and c). Otherwise, we will lose all, above all, the Motherland, our honor, our wives and daughters, property!
  34. sleepy
    sleepy April 18 2013 02: 48
    0
    Something about the "Concept ..." mentioned in passing at the beginning of the article.

    The President approved the Concept of State Migration Policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025.
    http://президент.рф/acts/15635

    1. This Concept is a system of views on the content, principles and main lines of activity of the Russian Federation in the field of migration.
    2. This Concept defines the goals, principles, tasks, the main directions and mechanisms for implementing the state migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
    6. Migration processes play a significant role in the socio-economic and demographic development of the Russian Federation.
    Over the past two decades, migration growth has largely compensated for more than half of the natural population decline ...
    7. The resettlement of migrants for permanent residence in the Russian Federation is becoming one of the sources of increasing the population of the country as a whole and its regions ...
    17. Important elements of the state migration policy of the Russian Federation are the creation of conditions for the adaptation and integration of migrants, the protection of their rights and freedoms, and the provision of social security. The solution to these problems is hampered by the unjustified difficulty of obtaining the status of a permanent resident in the Russian Federation, as well as by the unregulated legal status of foreign citizens ...

    VII. Stages of implementation of the state migration policy of the Russian Federation
    28. The first stage (2012 - 2015):
    a) the development and adoption of regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation, ensuring the implementation of the goals, objectives and main directions of the state migration policy of the Russian Federation;
    b) the development and testing of programs in the framework of the implementation of the main directions of the state migration policy of the Russian Federation;

    c) the establishment of centers for the promotion of immigration to the Russian Federation and medical examination of immigrants, including abroad;

    d) the creation of infrastructure for the residence of labor migrants through public-private partnerships;

    e) the creation of infrastructure for the integration and adaptation of labor migrants, including information and legal support centers, language, history and culture courses of the Russian Federation ...
    29. The second stage (2016 - 2020) ...
  35. Nikolai N
    Nikolai N April 18 2013 02: 57
    +1
    Quote: Veterinar
    think primitively comrade
    you just need to relate humanly to people

    I’ve been following the site for a long time, I like to read comments .. the psychology of a person is such that he follows society everywhere, whether it is a herd or not .. and if there is at least one dissenting person, they will ruin it with poop

    that we have, there is an acute problem of migration (everyone doesn’t care about emigration for a long time, although they can also throw it up) - and what's next, nationalism is in fashion .. here they write about the atrocities of visitors from somewhere it’s not clear some villages, where are the arguments? I didn’t see, but every Nazi writes about his kind heart, fits in? not
    the same thing with patriotism .. they heard that being a patriot is good and begin to throw odorous substances at each other, remaining in the light of good intentions

    where are the arguments? minus this by itself, without them in any way
    You should have served an urgent commercial in the year 85, no matter what the MCP, where there are more representatives from Dushanbe or Grozny than your representatives. Better yet, live in these small towns a year since 92nd.
  36. sleepy
    sleepy April 18 2013 02: 59
    0
    1. 26 / 05 / 2011
    In the next 10-15 years, Russia needs to create 25 million new jobs. This, as the correspondent of Rosbalt reports, said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the first social business forum in Moscow. 25 million - modern, high-quality jobs
    http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2011/05/26/852540.html

    2. 20 / 11 / 12
    The State Duma is preparing to consider in the first reading a bill that not only greatly simplifies the procedure for joining Russian citizenship for tens of millions of foreigners, but also cancels the concept of a migrant as such. In fact, the authors of the initiative from the Federation Council offer to give the opportunity to become a Russian to everyone whose grandfather or father lived in the USSR.
    http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/11/20/migrant/

    3. 12.11.2012.
    Russia lacks about 50-70 million migrants, said Gadzhet Safaraliev (United Russia), chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities, at a press conference, “Can the Russian labor market do without visitors?”
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1592322.html

    When it was first said about 25 million modern high-quality new jobs, many felt somehow uncomfortable - so 25 million others, bad jobs will be freed?
    They will not be needed, but something is not very visible robots.
    Theoretically - 25 million high-tech jobs should give three times more “bad”, cheap, low-tech jobs. And now Safaraliev is talking about 70 million migrants.
    http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/11/13/migratsionnaya-politika-v-rossii/697220-140
    -millionnuyu-rossiyu-khotyat-razbavit
  37. sleepy
    sleepy April 18 2013 03: 08
    +2
    An open letter from the head of the portal Superjob.ru, Alexei Zakharov, to the President of the Russian Federation

    "Dear Mr. President!
    You set the task of creating 25 millions of “good and well-paid" jobs by 2020 year. This is a great challenge, and we, as employers, are both in favor of it.
    But the real policy pursued in the field of personnel leads to the fact that by 2020 an additional 25 million jobs will be created for low-skilled migrants. This is in addition to those 10-15 million jobs that are created for them now ...
    ... This is a great solution! But it makes tens of millions of our fellow citizens absolutely uncompetitive. They already can not compete in the low-skilled labor market. A Russian citizen cannot and should not compete for a job and a beggarly salary with visitors from Central Asia. Russian citizens are not ready and should not live in bestial conditions for 20 people in a room, receiving a meager salary for their work. And our citizens do not want.

    But, I emphasize, this does not mean that they do not want to work. They do not want to work for a salary that does not allow giving birth and raising children, eating normally and being treated. Moreover, according to our research, 18% of our fellow citizens already feel real competition with visitors from Central Asia. But this is a whole, and among low-skilled Russian youth and low-skilled older people, almost 25% already say about competition! ..

    ... We plan, through the Ministry of Labor, to spend hundreds of billions of rubles in the coming years on attracting and adapting migrants.
    If the same money is additionally directed to the education of our citizens, there is still a chance that in 20 years we will still not forget how to fly into space.
    But just not enough money! It is necessary today (tomorrow it will be too late) to completely close the Russian labor market for unskilled migration from abroad.
    Totally! No quotas ...

    ... CIS, military bases, geopolitics ... All this is wonderful, only who will need all this in 20-30 years? ..

    ... I urge you, Mr. President, to take tough political decisions aimed at completely banning the import of cheap labor into the Russian Federation.
    The world will not collapse. And prices will not rise. Salaries of a significant part of Russian citizens will increase.
    First, low-skilled, then those with higher qualifications: everything is interconnected. And this money will remain in the country - it will be spent on the development of the Russian economy.
    They will create new jobs for the citizens of the Russian Federation. "
    http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
  38. UFO
    UFO April 18 2013 06: 43
    0
    "A new kind of business" - trade in the Motherland, the main achievement of the neoliberal leadership of Russia. EVERYTHING is for sale: citizenship, territories, education ..... our FUTURE !!! angry
  39. elmir15
    elmir15 April 25 2013 02: 05
    +4
    Introduce a visa regime with all countries except the CU