Discussion about the Ukrainian Armed Forces' barrier detachments. Why they started talking about it publicly

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Discussion about the Ukrainian Armed Forces' barrier detachments. Why they started talking about it publicly

While browsing Ukrainian Telegram channels, I came across a short interview with one of the militants, who openly talks about the Ukrainian Armed Forces using blocking detachments. In principle, I have known for a long time that such units exist. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to come to this conclusion after watching some video materials from our and Ukrainian sources.

I am sure that among the readers there are those who have long come to the same conclusion. How many times have Ukrainian fighters been captured on camera trying to surrender, but were destroyed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the help of drones or artillery fire. How many wounded Ukrainians were destroyed during transportation to our rear.



It is clear that such a quantity of material could not have appeared due to the personal initiative of drone operators. I am not even talking about the testimonies of prisoners who repeat like a mantra history about how they were brought to their positions and abandoned. How any attempt to retreat or surrender was stopped by "friendly fire". This is the systematic work of the cover units.

The following method of warfare is known from the experience of the Great Patriotic War. To put a soldier in a situation where he simply has no choice. Either you die a hero, defending your country, or you die as a traitor from the fire of your own comrades. Let me remind you that the Finns used suicide machine gunners quite effectively, simply chaining them to their positions. At the same time, the position was shot by Finnish snipers.

Why did the Finns use such tactics? Why put one of their own fighters in the position of a suicide bomber? The answer lies in a simple formula. A suicide bomber is a suicide bomber because he will fight to the death. Understanding this, he will try to "take with him" as many enemies as possible. Arithmetic, which is used when there are not enough resources. Simply put, when soldiers run out...

Almost all armies participating in World War II used blocking detachments. The form of such use was different, but the essence was the same. To complete the assigned task at any cost. It does not matter whether it is an offensive or defensive action. For example, I think that the famous order of the General Headquarters "Not a step back!" (No. 227 of July 28, 1942) is one of the forms of such use...

But it is one thing to guess, to know, but without officially recognizing this fact. Another thing is official recognition in the media. What is happening today in the Ukrainian media is perceived as recognition of the fact. UkroSMI tells Ukrainians what veterans told them in their kitchens. About what they did not want to believe...

Hopelessness or what are we fighting for?


Let me return to the interview with the Ukrainian militant. More precisely, to its very beginning. The story about 2022. Back then, it was simply indecent to talk about a shortage of volunteers. There were many volunteers at the recruiting stations. But the barrier detachments, according to the militant, already existed. The question arises: why? The fighters are motivated, ideologically savvy.

In my opinion, the use of blocking detachments was due to two factors. Firstly, quantity does not mean quality. Even those militants who participated in the ATO since 2014 could not boast of the ability to fight the regular army of Russia, not to mention volunteers and mobilized soldiers.

And secondly, in the conditions when the Russian army was actively advancing, it was extremely important for the Ukrainian Armed Forces command to organize counter-offensives in some areas of the front. It is clear that storming the positions of superior enemy forces is tantamount to death. And this is where the "additional motivation" in the form of Nazi detachments behind the attackers came in handy.

Thirdly, the usual reinsurance. Then, criminal formations appeared at the front. It is no secret that many of them initially joined these units with a simple goal - to "disappear" in the chaos of war. Such a peculiar form of escape. Hence the need for control by the command.

And what about today? Today, the main reason for the existence of such units is the lack of motivation in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Partly, this is due to the actions of our army. Partly, to Kyiv's attitude towards wounded and dead soldiers, their families. Partly, to simple dissatisfaction with the government and Zelensky.

The existence of the category of "man-catchers" and the government's attitude to mobilization in general creates a negative attitude toward the government among the population. Readers can well imagine the motivation of a man who, like a stray dog, was caught on the street and in a matter of days was thrown to zero. At the same time, almost everyone around him is exactly the same "catcher". A unit of recruits...

It must be admitted that the command is trying to solve this problem with traditional "non-traditional" methods. I mean "combat chemistry", or simply drug options. Many "first-timers" report a strange state of the body in the first days after being sent to the positions. About a careless attitude towards their own lives.

Moreover, what is interesting is that according to reports "from the field", fighters especially often hear such stories from prisoners taken not during the capture of strongholds or other positions, but during attempts to attack, Ukrainian counterattacks. "Military science" is clearly moving forward. Instead of vodka and schnapps from the First and Second World Wars, they now use "chemistry".

But you can't use "chemistry" all the time. And in a normal state, a fighter still has thoughts about refusing to fight. By any means. Captivity, desertion, committing a crime to go to prison, etc. But there is another problem, the existence of which was not discussed at all before or was discussed only on specialized forums.

These are mercenaries who are actively used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces today. Moreover, I include in this category not only "wild geese", but also soldiers and officers of the regular army of other countries who "suddenly quit" and went to fight the Russians with the weapons they used as active servicemen in the armies of their countries.

A mercenary is a person who decided to make money on war. The main motivation for such people is money. And the dead don't need money! Just as they don't plan to spend their earnings on treatment or disability. That's why mercenaries run at the first sign of danger. It's one thing to kill and quite another to be killed.

And this is another headache for the command. Those who know how to use Western equipment, who are trained for this, are fleeing. And the weapons are becoming just metal, which is not suitable for war. Today, even small arms weapon — this is far from being a PPSh or a Kalashnikov assault rifle. It is impossible to use it without special training.

This is the situation today in some, I write with reserve, units and formations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. A soldier, and an officer too, must first of all understand what and for whom he is fighting. For the Motherland, for the family, for the state, for power... Probably the most important thing on this list is power.

If the government doesn't give a damn about the people, the country, anything except its own pocket, war simply loses all meaning. I don't want to die for those who, instead of caring about the people, the state, the army, oppress these very people, deliberately create conditions when the country turns into a huge concentration camp.

There is a mess in the heads of Ukrainians now. What was a dream, a desire, a prospect, has turned into dust. Instead of a "new France", Ukraine has turned into a "new Somalia". This is the motivation.

There remains one question that will certainly arise in the reader. Not the one who "looked through" or read the headline, but the thoughtful one who can think logically. Why then do the Ukrainian Armed Forces not fall apart, do not abandon their weapons, do not flee en masse from the front lines?

The answer, it seems to me, lies in the reports from our military tribunals about the latest sentences for war crimes. Those of the Ukrainian Armed Forces who have been fighting for a long time have, for the most part, done a lot of things during this war. A lot of war crimes.

And those of the new arrivals who survived the first months on the front line, the command tries to "cover up", to force them to take part in punitive actions against the civilian population, etc. The Russian military prosecutor's office and the Investigative Committee work well. Crimes and their participants are recorded.

Only a naive person can count on the fact that in the event of surrender, such a punisher will be able to "slip through" to an exchange or get off with "little bloodshed". That's the choice. War and the hope that peace will be concluded, in which the punishers will not fall into the hands of Russian justice, or surrender, long years in Russian camps.

Instead of a conclusion



The fact that the Ukrainian media have started to openly talk about things that were previously carefully hidden and classified is an indicator of serious destabilization of society. There is no point in hoping that the Ukrainian army will rebel and march on Kyiv. The backbone of the army is tightly "tied" to the current government and understands perfectly well that if the regime changes, they too will be condemned.

I think, given all the existing circumstances, the West will decide to quickly replace the "ruling Harlequin" with someone else, like Zaluzhny, thereby trying to smooth things over. The culprit has been removed, and now everything will be fine. The Ukrainians will most likely fall for this. The fear of a "poor and downtrodden" Russia is too strong, the idea of a great Western democracy has been hammered into their heads for too long.

And the blocking detachments? They will continue to operate. Even if there is a discussion in society, nothing will change in the army. Talking in parliament is one thing, war is another. In the first case, words are the main thing, in the second, deeds. People's demonstrations? Well, I don't believe in their spontaneity. If the authorities, overt or covert, need it, the "herd" will be brought to the Maidan. If there is no such need, everyone to the "barn". As the "shepherd" decides...
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  1. +12
    1 August 2025 04: 18
    Let me remind you that the Finns used suicide machine gunners quite effectively, simply chaining them to their positions. At the same time, the position was shot by Finnish snipers.

    I've just dug through half the internet and haven't found a single mention of the Finns using suicide machine gunners, but there are a bunch of articles about the Germans doing the same, from the series we saw it with our own eyes, that guy told me... Isn't it true if there are sources, let me read it......
    1. +4
      1 August 2025 06: 29
      I've just dug through half the internet and haven't found a single mention of the Finns using suicide machine gunners.
      I have never heard of machine gunners, but there was a myth about Finnish snipers "cuckoos" sitting in trees... Moreover, they were also considered suicide bombers, supposedly by the time he climbed down from the tree he would be killed ten times... But the myth turned out to be a myth, although there may have been individual cases initiated by Finnish snipers... But there were barrier detachments in ancient times... True, this name appeared only in the 20th century... The ancient Greeks entrusted this role to experienced warriors standing in the last rows of the battle formation.
      In the 5th century BC, the Greek commander Xenophon wrote that "the phalanx will be of no use unless there are good warriors in the first and last rows." Why do we need good warriors in the last rows? Xenophon points out what tasks those who stand behind everyone else should perform during a battle:
      "keep a close eye on those standing in front, encourage those who are doing their duty, restrain the faint-hearted with threats - punish with death anyone who intends to turn his back and commit treason."
    2. +1
      1 August 2025 16: 30
      Quote from turembo
      I've just dug through half the internet,

      Exactly the same story... Therefore, before writing an article based on emotions and rumors, the author should sometimes look at historical material. Otherwise, it might turn out like one author who told on VO how the Focke-Wulf company manufactured airplanes in the First World War...
      1. +2
        1 August 2025 22: 39
        well author probably watched the movie "Cuckoo"...the heroes of "Peculiarities of Russian Hunting and Fishing" starred there...well, for the author THIS is a very historical document..
        and regarding the Great War...there was Anthony Fokker's company right away (including the one that created the famous Fokker-Dry)..but the Fokke-Wulf prefix is already from the 30s and by the way, Kurt Tank was the main one there...
        1. +1
          2 August 2025 01: 59
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          so right off the bat there was Anthony Fokker's company (including the one that created the famous Fokker-Dry).. but the Fokke-Wulf prefix is already from the 30s and by the way, Kurt Tank was the main one there..

          But don't do it right away. Otherwise it might turn out like that guy did.
          Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH is a German aircraft manufacturing company. It was founded in 1923 in Bremen with the participation of aircraft designer Heinrich Focke and former military pilot Georg Wulf
          As you can see from the quote I provided, you never got it right. Anthony Fokker and Heinrich Fokke are completely different people. The only thing they have in common is that they were both aircraft designers. hi
          1. +1
            2 August 2025 21: 56
            What is called "live and learn". I never really thought about it, I just automatically thought they were one person winked
            What a shame... this is what happens if you don't look into the matter feel
    3. +2
      2 August 2025 07: 41
      What did you expect from a propagandist? A changer of shoes on the fly.
    4. +1
      7 August 2025 09: 45
      This is the first time I've seen many adequate, competent comrades checking "authoroff" info in the comments on VO. Is the security changing shifts?
      Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
  2. +13
    1 August 2025 04: 59
    Mda... And again... about the lack of motivation.... So, why are they clinging to every bump then? Oh yeah, the barrier detachments... And then the legends came into play, about the chained Finns.... Not enough. only about the Baltic snipers in Chechnya... Well, and about the exchange of punitive forces and naivety... I remember about "Azov"... I'm naive. sad .
    1. +2
      1 August 2025 11: 17
      There were female snipers in Chechnya, but not all of them were blonde girls from the Baltics.
      1. -1
        1 August 2025 22: 40
        but everyone had to have ''white tights''...or not???
  3. +8
    1 August 2025 06: 15
    [quote][/quote]If the government doesn't give a damn about the people, the country, anything except its own pocket, war simply loses all meaning. I don't want to die for those who, instead of caring about the people, the state, the army, oppress these very people, deliberately create conditions when the country turns into a huge concentration camp. winked . Well said.... I liked it. smile
    1. 0
      1 August 2025 08: 27
      It's surprising to hear this from Dmitry Medvedev lol
      1. -1
        1 August 2025 22: 42
        yeah, our liberal is better known for renaming our militia to police (ugh... God forgive me... shame) ..well and immortal...no money...but you hold on...
        and now look how aggressive you are...
  4. +10
    1 August 2025 08: 57
    Browsing Ukrainian Telegram channels

    Searching for extremist materials online?
  5. BAI
    +2
    1 August 2025 09: 23
    . People's demonstrations? Well, I don't believe in their spontaneity.

    All the "protests" of the people in Ukraine were well prepared and paid for. There was nothing spontaneous there. At least since 2014
  6. +2
    1 August 2025 10: 39
    But you can’t use “chemistry” all the time.
    Chemistry is not for constant use. There is no need for it. It is enough to pump up a fighter before a fight to increase endurance. Amphetamine and pervitin were used in Nazi Germany. These are strong psychostimulants. Such drugs were not used in the USSR. There were only "People's Commissar" 100 grams. It helped well to relieve stress.
    1. +2
      1 August 2025 11: 20
      The Kiev cauldron was closed by tank wedges from Kleist's group, the drivers were high on pervitin, the most rapid throw from the bridgehead near Kremenchug to the North
      1. 0
        1 August 2025 22: 44
        yeah, the famous ''panzer_chocolate''... but by 1945 it was an army of drug addicts...
        p.s.. by the way, the "People's Commissar" ones also made thousands of soldiers alcoholics.. but... war is war..
    2. 0
      7 August 2025 19: 30
      Quote: Eugen 62
      . In the USSR such means were not used. There were only "People's Commissar" 100 grams. It helped well to relieve stress.

      In the USSR there was sidnocarb, but it also caused extremely unsatisfactory results. Hans dosed meth at 5 mg per dose, this is quite little, it was enough to suppress sleep and hunger. It is hard to overdose on 5 mg tablets and chocolate. The daily dose of modern junkies is about 500 mg per day. In general, there are many myths about perventin, both before and now.
  7. +1
    1 August 2025 11: 31
    For example, I think that the famous Headquarters order “Not one step back!” (No. 227 of July 28, 1942) is one form of such use...
    ...so think to yourself... fool there's nothing to turn inside out... angry
  8. +1
    1 August 2025 16: 26
    Let me remind you that the Finns used suicide machine gunners quite effectively, simply chaining them to their positions.
    And the Finns claimed that the soldiers had sworn an oath that they would rather die chained to a machine gun than retreat. And again it was
    The August 1941 issue of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper published a note about how Soviet soldiers who were attacking enemy dugouts in one of the sections of the front in the Smolensk direction discovered 2 Austrians chained to machine guns in just two days in July. According to captured rifleman Ferdinand Kerber, he was chained when the Germans began to retreat.
    They weren't chained all the time. And not always as a punishment.
  9. -1
    1 August 2025 16: 47
    For example, I think that the famous Headquarters order “Not one step back!” (No. 227 of July 28, 1942) is one form of such use...
    And what does it say about the barrier detachments? Let's take the order and read it.
    The Supreme Command of the Red Army orders:
    1. The military councils of the fronts and, above all, the commanders of the fronts:
    a) to unconditionally eliminate the retreat mood in the troops and the railway
    hand to stop the propaganda that we can and should allegedly retreat and
    further to the east, that such a retreat would supposedly cause no harm;
    b) unconditionally remove from post and send to Headquarters for military service
    the trial of army commanders who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of troops from
    occupied positions, without an order from the front command;
    c) form within the front from one to three (depending on the situation)
    penal battalions (800 people each), where middle and senior people are sent
    commanders and relevant political workers of all branches of the armed forces,
    guilty of violating discipline due to cowardice or instability, and
    put them on more difficult parts of the front to give them the opportunity
    atone with blood for their crimes against the Motherland
    2. To the military councils of the armies and, first of all, to the army commanders:... ...b) to form within the army 3-5 well-armed barriers
    detachments (up to 200 people in each), place them in the immediate rear
    unstable divisions and oblige them in case of panic and disorderly retreat
    parts of the division to shoot panickers and cowards on the spot and thus help
    honest fighters of the divisions to fulfill their duty to the Motherland;...
    That is, within the army, it turns out to be 600-1000 people. And not from the "bloody NKVD men", but from the personnel of this army, the barrier detachments were formed. and so on.
    ....c) form within the army from five to ten (depending on the situation)
    penal companies (from 150 to 200 people in each), where privates are sent
    fighters and junior commanders who were guilty of violating discipline
    cowardice or instability, and place them in difficult areas of the army, so that
    give them the opportunity to atone with blood for their crimes against the Motherland.
    That is, there were a maximum of about 2000 penal soldiers in the army. With the maximum number of personnel in the combined arms army of the Red Army being 100. So let's see if 000 penal detachments are a lot for such a number of personnel.
  10. +1
    1 August 2025 17: 13
    Quote: lis-ik
    Searching for extremist materials online?

    smile what
    However...a universal phrase.
  11. -1
    1 August 2025 23: 10
    Yes, sir. The author lied, clearly lied... about the chained machine gunners.
    and there is no faith in the rest.

    I read completely different explanations about foreign detachments.
    and here is a clear wave. Everyone suddenly started to talk and threaten..
    As about a dirty bomb, chemical weapons, etc.

    Black PR?
    1. 0
      1 August 2025 23: 56
      Quote: Max1995
      Black PR?

      This is Staver.
      a surname that speaks VO.
      old-timers have been dragging the article up to the author for a long time and everything is already clear from him.
      The pearls about the Finns chained up in this article were amusing.
      In the comments, they correctly pointed out that these were Austrians, and in another war.
      But author he sees it this way, he is an artist - he draws texts - he is too lazy to sit in documents and primary sources. He is a creator, he is an ARTIST!

      as not the material - so either we won hurray, Kyiv in 3 days, we destroy the defense on a broad front and in a week we go there and here. (initial stages of the SVO)
      and so the Ukrainians are fleeing in panic, surrendering in droves, Victory is just around the corner tomorrow. (for about 2 years his articles with one meaning and empty text have been reprinted back and forth).
  12. 0
    2 August 2025 20: 47
    Only a naive person can count on the fact that in the event of surrender such a punisher will be able to “slip through” to an exchange or get off with “little bloodshed”.

    Yeah... the Azovites don't really get through. The iPhone and Tiramisu are catching up with them relentlessly!
  13. 0
    2 August 2025 21: 31
    Barrier detachments are what is closest to Ukraine. To set up a neighbor, to inform on, to curse out of envy, to throw mud - the style of Ukrainianism. What we call meanness, Ukrainianism calls "a feature of mentality". It's simple. I won't say that all Ukrainians are rotten. There are decent people. But they are a minority. An overwhelming minority.
    1. 0
      7 August 2025 14: 21
      Barrier detachments were already in the Russian Imperial Army during the First World War, and they appeared in 1914.
  14. P
    0
    2 August 2025 21: 33
    Regarding power. A mobilized VSU member can be fully understood if he does not want to fight for the Medvedchuks, Firtashes and Akhmetovs, who have torn his country apart into personal corporations, stolen mineral resources and transport, robbed and killed the population, and seized all real power in the country.