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West fears Russian exercises near the borders of Poland

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West fears Russian exercises near the borders of Poland



Recently, politicians and the media in Poland and the Baltic countries began to actively discuss the upcoming Russian-Belarusian “West-2013” exercises this fall. The fact of the exercise causes serious concern among the political elites of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, who intend to push Russia to “openness and transparency when planning and conducting the upcoming maneuvers.”

The discussion in the Western media began with statements by the former deputy minister of national defense of Poland, Romuald Sheremetyev, who in mid-January declared that Belarus and Russia were preparing for an attack on Poland. According to the ex-official, the next joint military exercises "West-2013" testify to the presence of Minsk and Moscow's intentions to work out the plan of attack on Warsaw.

Later, the current Foreign Minister of Poland, Radoslaw Sikorski, spoke in support of Sheremetyevo. He noted that the previous exercises "West-2009" were a provocation against Poland. Also, the head of the Polish Foreign Ministry declared the readiness of the Polish armed forces to conduct exercises as part of NATO in the territory of their country.

The topic was continued by Juozas Olekas, the Lithuanian Minister of Defense, who expressed an opinion about the hostile orientation of the Belarusian-Russian exercises planned near the Lithuanian border. Although at that time there was no official information about the plan of these exercises and the forces involved in them, the Lithuanians managed to assume that according to the “West-2013” scenario, they would resemble the West-2009 doctrines that sharply criticized. Then, according to the Lithuanian Ministry of Defense, the legend of maneuvers, in addition to the invasion of the Allied ground forces on the territory of the Baltic countries, also included a preemptive nuclear strike on Warsaw.

Concern over the upcoming military exercises also expressed the Minister of Defense of Latvia Artis Pabriks. According to the Latvian side, the teachings of such a large scale receive very scant information. At the same time, Latvia hopes that "clarity regarding the exercises will be introduced in May at the summit of the heads of the armed forces of NATO and Russia."

To date, according to unofficial information, which is voiced in the Polish edition of “Polityka Wschodnia”, about 2013 thousand Russian and Belarusian servicemen will take part in the Zapad-20 exercise. Among the variants of the exercises, a preventive nuclear strike on Warsaw is considered. Military experts also do not rule out attempts to violate Polish cyberspace. Such a demonstration of force, according to the publication, can cause not only a psychological effect, but also bring actual damage to the attacked countries. From this point of view, it is significant that the NATO Cyber ​​Security Center is located in Tallinn, and the Americans constantly state the need to enhance digital security. In addition, the Polish newspaper Polska mentions “threats of Moscow” by Iskander missiles located in the Kaliningrad region.

Thus, politicians in Latvia, Lithuania and Poland express concerns about the unreasonably high military activity of Russia in the Baltic region and require the military leadership to work out the interaction of NATO forces stationed in the Baltic countries.

In this context, in 2013, NATO plans to hold a series of military exercises near the Russian borders. The largest of them will be the military exercises on collective defense "Steadfast Jazz 2013", which will be held in November this year. at the tank range "Dravsko" near the city of Szczecin (Poland). According to experts, these will be the largest military maneuvers in the last 20 years. The exercises will have a pronounced anti-Belarusian and anti-Russian character, since the main goal of the maneuvers is to work out a large-scale strategic offensive operation in the east, blocking the Kaliningrad region, isolating the Russian Baltic fleet.

On the eve of the “Steadfast Jazz”, the Polish Armed Forces will develop skills in the operational and tactical exercises of the Dragoon-2013 ground forces with the participation of the 16 armored division of the Polish Armed Forces. The exercise of the air force "Orel-2013" is also planned; in addition, joint Polish-Lithuanian maneuvers of the airborne forces "Maple Arch 2013" will be held.

Currently, according to estimates by foreign military experts, in the western direction, the NATO combined forces are superior to the Russian armed forces in tanks 9 times, by planes 5 times, and also (which, perhaps most importantly) has absolute superiority in long-range cruise missiles of various bases and in general in high-precision arms.

In addition, the North Atlantic Alliance is confident that they are superior to Russia in terms of quality indicators of the armed forces. According to the estimates of NATO analysts made public at the time by WikiLeaks, the West 2009 exercise demonstrated that “Russia has very limited ability to carry out operations involving aviation, and also relies on old and unusable weapons. Her army cannot operate in all weather conditions. Not enough strategic vehicles. ”

Outdated equipment, low morale, insufficiently developed comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps, which can no longer act flexibly, all this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to speak of the Russian army as a “colossus on clay feet.”

Obviously, these findings gave ground to NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen to declare 2 February this year. in Vilnius about the West-2013 exercises, that the alliance "does not see Russia as a threat." At the same time, the buildup of the military activity of the bloc near the Russian borders is justified for the internal audience of NATO member countries by the increased military threat from Moscow.

Thus, it is necessary to state that a propaganda campaign has now begun in the Western media, the purpose of which is to show the aggressive aspirations of Russia and Belarus towards the Baltic States and Poland. The main audience for which such influence is exercised is the population and military personnel of their own countries, as well as Russia and Belarus. Thus, the military-political leadership of NATO seeks to justify the significantly increased own military activity near the borders of Russia.
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  1. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 17 2013 07: 54 New
    26
    politicians and the media of Poland and the Baltic countries began to actively discuss

    They began to actively hysteria.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 17 2013 08: 08 New
      23
      These tantrums have only one goal: to extort additional funds from NATO and the EU and justify their anti-Russian rhetoric
      1. luka095
        luka095 April 17 2013 17: 07 New
        +5
        Their goals are understandable - under the cries of a threat from the East, we ourselves prepare for the movement to the East. And also talk of a colossus with feet of clay. Does this remind anyone?
        1. AndreyAB
          AndreyAB April 18 2013 06: 07 New
          +2
          I completely agree that Russia should be concerned about the very existence of Poland and the Baltic countries, since from the day of its existence, apart from filth, spit and at certain moments in the history of aggression, Russia has not seen them.
          1. semyon12345
            semyon12345 13 August 2013 13: 10 New
            0
            Poland should be wary of this heinous Russia which wants to remain the only superpower, and Lukashenko is Putin’s puppet
    2. alexng
      alexng April 17 2013 08: 18 New
      12
      Quote: andrejwz
      They began to actively hysteria.


      We wouldn’t have conducted joint exercises with (C) SHAKALS themselves and it would not have been necessary to hysteria.
      1. de klermon
        de klermon April 18 2013 01: 06 New
        +2
        More than fair! Never forget that before the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, Poland concluded a similar agreement with Germany !!! Only unlike the USSR, it did not pursue strategic goals to delay the start of the war, but was engaged in banal robbery (tearing its "piece" from Czechoslovakia) and two-handedness (seeking guarantees from England and France) !!!
        Today's Poland is a country with the psychology of a jackal of East European scale!
      2. de klermon
        de klermon April 18 2013 01: 10 New
        +1
        By the way, the Polish-German pact was primarily anti-Soviet at the very time when diplomatic consultations were going on about the possibility of the Soviet Union providing guarantees to Eastern European countries in case of German aggression! ..
    3. Bykov.
      Bykov. April 17 2013 08: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: andrejwz
      They began to actively hysteria.

      Yes, they’re so hysterical that it feels like the exercises will take place on the territory of Poland, and not on its borders.
      Maybe the Poles can smell something ?!
      1. UFO
        UFO April 17 2013 08: 56 New
        +9
        What do they smell? Which place? laughing It’s just that the United States uses Poland and the Baltic states as ..... They just use it, “have” it simply put. lol
        1. Drejk
          Drejk April 17 2013 15: 33 New
          +6
          I completely agree, they are afraid, they mean respect, but they do not respect, so let them just be afraid and will wipe it out slowly. And then the Belarusians and ours will suddenly be scared of the hardening Baltic states on 3 tanks and a whole division of psheks on horseback))))
      2. Hemi cuda
        Hemi cuda April 17 2013 09: 03 New
        +5
        Yeah, they smell from cowards.
      3. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution April 17 2013 11: 57 New
        +4
        If they themselves are ready for meanness, then they expect the same from others.
    4. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim April 17 2013 08: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: andrejwz
      They began to actively hysteria.

      So it's time for them to go nuts, in short madhouse!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 17 2013 12: 05 New
        +7
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        So it's time for them to go nuts, in short madhouse!

        There aren’t enough places in the madhouse! Better follow the example of one American senator who jumped out of the window shouting: "The Russians are coming!" They love the example of America! laughing
    5. vadimus
      vadimus April 17 2013 08: 42 New
      +4
      You need to be friends with us, not stick sticks in the wheels.
      1. dddym
        dddym April 17 2013 08: 47 New
        15
        God forbid from such "friends" as Poland and the Baltic states.
      2. Hemi cuda
        Hemi cuda April 17 2013 09: 04 New
        +9
        Such friends for x .. and the museum.
    6. smart ass
      smart ass April 17 2013 09: 23 New
      +6
      Well, these Poles are pissed off, all their history they were actively smeared on one side, so as not to get a dule from the other ...
    7. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 17 2013 10: 26 New
      +4
      The dog barks - the caravan goes ..
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 April 17 2013 11: 00 New
        19
        according to NATO analysts, it gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a "colossus with feet of clay."......... maybe you want to test the strength of the colossus? the author of this phrase once tried to test ..... filled up with shards
        1. aksakal
          aksakal April 17 2013 15: 49 New
          +8
          Quote: strannik595
          according to NATO analysts, it gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a "colossus with feet of clay" .......... maybe you want to test the strength of a colossus? the author of this phrase once tried to test ..... filled up with shards

          - Fat plus! I also had DEJA VU for this phrase. He who does not know history is forced to repeat it twice! Well, if the West has such a short memory, they are always happy to serve with the same rake in the same place
    8. aksakal
      aksakal April 17 2013 16: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: andrejwz
      They began to actively hysteria

      - Interestingly, the members of the forum all grow together laughing
      Znachittsa, when the DPRK is freaking out because of the provocative teachings of South Korea and the United States near its shores, the forum users write nasty things about Eun, it is worthless to North Korea to freak out, they are not supposed to! They are bulls!
      And when Poland and others like it, all the little pot-bellied stuff is pissed off due to the similar teachings of Russia and Belarus, so you get it right, the Poles can do what the North Koreans can't. Since when did the Poles get into the Jupiters? Smirnov put forward a warning to me for the Poles, now I write exclusively “Poles”, now even the forum users are forced to consider them “Jupiters”? DOES NOT CHANGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am
      1. Genady1976
        Genady1976 April 17 2013 17: 49 New
        0
        And why else do you need teachings. To the West was afraid. tongue all amicably to the west.
      2. semyon12345
        semyon12345 13 August 2013 13: 15 New
        0
        it seems that only the haters of Poland gathered here to know that the DPRK is a small and worthless country, nobody needs anyone to forget God and all people, and Poland is really Jupiter compared to the DPRK
    9. Su24
      Su24 April 17 2013 18: 11 New
      -1
      All this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a "colossus with feet of clay."


      Somewhere we already heard it)) wink
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 17 2013 08: 00 New
    47
    "Outdated equipment, low morale, underdeveloped comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps that can no longer act flexibly - all this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a" colossus with clay feet. " "

    That’s for sure, the comradely relations between the soldiers are not as developed in our country as in the Netherlands. But seriously, why then piss with boiling water, since we have nothing to fight?
    1. Russian
      Russian April 17 2013 08: 39 New
      13
      Hahah, yeah! Do you speak of low moral standards and underdeveloped comradely relations between soldiers? Yes, the Americans themselves will not begin any ground operation until the aircraft there iron everything. And they fight only for loot, plus give them all sorts of delicacies from food!
      So it's funny to hear from them. Moreover, they stated that they would transfer their interest to the Pacific region, closer to China, so why then all climb into Europe?
      As for the preventive nuclear strike on Poland, I was also pleased, what kind of senility should be?)
      1. master_rem
        master_rem April 17 2013 09: 06 New
        +1
        yeah, just in case, you never know ..
      2. Zlaya makaka
        Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 16: 55 New
        0
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Yes, the Americans themselves will not begin any ground operation until the aircraft there iron everything.


        So what's wrong with that ?! What, you have to barefoot to shove on the not suppressed enemy defenses ?! So in Chechen this was done a couple of times, sparing the local property. They washed themselves with blood in full. So the Americans are great here - they are taking care of their soldiers.

        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        And they fight only for loot, plus give them all sorts of delicacies from food!


        For the loot? So I'm glad that they get paid normal money. After all, capitalism. And we don’t understand what ... And the delicacies eat, and live in normal conditions. And ours eat bigus and live in cold barracks because of what they periodically leave for the hospital with diseases. The Americans take care of their own, but with us, as before: "women give birth to new women."

        I just can’t understand why the Americans are blamed for this, and are praised by our disregard for attitude ?!
        1. vilenich
          vilenich April 17 2013 17: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Zlaya Makaka
          What, you have to barefoot to shove on the not suppressed enemy defenses ?!

          Yes, they are so daring with a weak enemy, but if they run into normal air defense and planes push into the ground, then how can they fight? After all, they are not trained to break through anything and most likely will not go!
          Quote: Zlaya Makaka
          So in Chechen this was done a couple of times, sparing the local property. They washed themselves with blood in full.

          You do not forget that Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation, and it is somehow not great to gain the fame of Pol Pot and arrange genocide on its territory.
          Quote: Zlaya Makaka
          So the Americans are great here - they are taking care of their soldiers.

          Well done, let them keep it safe, and it is advisable that they do not protrude from the territory of the United States, they will be more whole.

          Quote: Zlaya Makaka
          So I'm glad that they get paid normal money. After all, capitalism.

          And what does capitalism have to do with it, are there really few poor countries with a capitalist structure, and only a few prosper, and then mainly at the expense of others, and here the USA is the undisputed leader.
          Quote: Zlaya Makaka
          And ours eat bigus and live in cold barracks due to which they periodically leave for the hospital with diseases.

          Why write so softly! Write right away: they live in dugouts, sleep in straw, comb with a rake, and eat a bucket of rutabaga a day!
          1. Zlaya makaka
            Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 18: 02 New
            -4
            Quote: vilenich
            Yes, they are so remote with a weak enemy


            So who do you think is weak? Afghans who did SA? Or the Iraqi army, which was more powerful than the Georgian in 2008? Only the Americans hanged Saddam, and Saakashvili could not be picked.

            Quote: vilenich
            and if normal air defenses run into and planes push into the ground, then how can they fight?


            This is just what they are well able to do, which they periodically prove from the Second World War.

            Quote: vilenich
            After all, they are not trained to break through anything and most likely will not go!


            They are not trained? Wow ... The only country with a normal OPFOR and can not fight. Wow ... And then who is trained, let me ask? Russian army with 15 rounds per soldier per year?

            Quote: vilenich
            You do not forget that Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation, and it is somehow not great to gain the fame of Pol Pot and arrange genocide on its territory.


            I repeat: they didn’t spare the locals (civilians had already left the NP), but their property.

            Quote: vilenich
            Well done, let them keep it safe, and it is advisable that they do not protrude from the territory of the United States, they will be more whole.


            Yes, they already feel good.

            Quote: vilenich
            And what does capitalism have to do with it, are there really few poor countries with a capitalist structure, and only a few prosper, and then mainly at the expense of others, and here the USA is the undisputed leader.


            Because in the USA normal capitalism, and in those countries - as in the Russian Federation. The United States is robbing others and taking their grandmothers to their homes, but with us it is the other way around. They rob their grandmothers and take them to other countries. And here I can only applaud the Americans who built such a system.

            Quote: vilenich
            Why write so softly! Write right away: they live in dugouts, sleep in straw, comb with a rake, and eat a bucket of rutabaga a day!


            Funny polemical trick: to attribute to the opponent what he did not say.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 18: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Zlaya Makaka
              Afghans who did SA?

              rare stupidity
              Quote: Zlaya Makaka
              Only the Americans hanged Saddam, and Saakashvili could not be picked up

              But was the goal of sukushvili hang?
              1. Zlaya makaka
                Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 21: 09 New
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                rare stupidity


                So why did the Soviet commanders ask Ahmad Shah Masoud to give the green light to the withdrawal of troops? Somehow it does not look like the behavior of the winners. Could he interfere with the conclusion? And where did he get so much strength and money from after 8 years of war? The SA failed to destroy them?

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                But was the goal of sukushvili hang?


                And what, after what the Georgians did under his leadership in South Ossetia, he did not have to at least be brought to justice? Many of the dead Ossetians had Russian passports. And their Georgians simply destroyed by all possible means on the orders of Saakashvili. And he didn’t answer for it then.
      3. flint1309
        flint1309 April 17 2013 18: 42 New
        +2
        About morale ... I would like to remind them of the airport in pristina wink
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT April 17 2013 08: 54 New
      +7
      This is he with what army compares ????
      With regard to equipment - not everything is so clear. old AK-47 can still bring horror! Well, at the expense of morality and camaraderie, he completely fantasized. They troll us on a global scale!
      1. Retx
        Retx April 17 2013 10: 34 New
        +3
        The translator was mistaken, we are talking about the Polish army. 3 rusting troughs with oars, a corvette under construction for 15 years and a bunch of obsolete junk called the Polish Air Force. About our fascist neighbors nothing to say.
    3. Zlaya makaka
      Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 16: 50 New
      -3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That’s for sure, the comradely relations between the soldiers are not as developed in our country as in the Netherlands.


      Wow, in Holland there has never been such hazing as ours. Or theft. Oh, this is an unforgettable feeling when you put the footcloths on the bench and went for a basin and soap, and you stole these footcloths so deftly that no one noticed, and now everyone laughs at your surprised face. And around you are familiar and almost friendly faces, and you want to think that they simply disappeared. There is even a saying in the army (adapted version without a mat :)): "not the words" stole ", there is the word" lost "".
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT April 17 2013 17: 17 New
        +2
        Wow, in Holland there has never been such hazing as ours.

        Have you served in the army in Holland ???
        Better hazing than a tire)))
        1. Zlaya makaka
          Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 17: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: JonnyT
          Have you served in the army in Holland ???


          No, a classmate went there with relatives and his younger brother served there. According to him, much better than here.

          Quote: JonnyT
          Better hazing than a tire)))


          Yes? And this is also better: http://topwar.ru/22791-esche-raz-o-kavkazskom-prizyve.html?
          1. Simon
            Simon April 17 2013 21: 12 New
            +1
            Yes...! It’s clear that we have hazing, and in the Dutch army all military personnel LOVE each other. belay lol repeat love
      2. aksakal
        aksakal April 17 2013 17: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Zlaya Makaka
        that no one noticed, and now everyone is laughing at your surprised face. And around you are familiar and almost friendly faces, and you want to think that they simply disappeared. There is even a saying in the army (adapted version without a mat :)): "not the words" stole ", there is the word" lost "

        - Nostalgia!
      3. PiP
        PiP April 17 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Zlaya Makaka
        "not the words" stolen ", there is the word" lost "".

        There is no word lost; there is the word PROE ** L. A completely different meaning. It is strange that you have something "tyryl" of the form. For the entire service, a tube of toothpaste was stolen from me, and that’s because I left it in the smoking room and the soldier of the outfit stupidly threw it into the trash (as it turned out later). Hazing? It depends on what she counts as “lyuley” for sleeping at the post (when everyone suffers because of one, joyfully running and push-ups) or “chukhanstvo” to get, I think this is the norm (we only had that). "100 days before the order," in my opinion, in "Youth" I first read before calling for service, although I didn’t hear from my friends about such hazing. It was scary to go to serve. But somehow it served and I remember these years with warmth and laughter. Somewhere here you wrote about an appeal from the North Caucasus, is that so scary? Our services are also Dagestanis, normal people.
  3. Belogor
    Belogor April 17 2013 08: 01 New
    +6
    The above countries are known for their inadequacy in relation to Russia. At first they scare themselves, and then they start to fear and hysteria about this.
    1. Leisure
      Leisure April 17 2013 17: 11 New
      +1
      It’s just a way to make money, just a business.
    2. vilenich
      vilenich April 17 2013 17: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Belogor
      The above countries are known for their inadequacy in relation to Russia. At first they scare themselves, and then they start to fear and hysteria about this.

      Yes, with the Poles this is an eternal story, let yourself yapping!
  4. zeksus
    zeksus April 17 2013 08: 05 New
    10
    The European Union on our border has nothing more to do!) fellow Entering the European Union, they have lost their independence in foreign and domestic politics! Therefore, they were told to bark at Russia, and they bark!
  5. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 17 2013 08: 11 New
    +7
    Actors and potential customers
    Ours, it is also necessary to declare that the GRU special forces will be fulfilling the tasks of penetrating the conditional enemy territory and conducting reconnaissance and sabotage measures! There will be a howl!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 17 2013 13: 59 New
      +3
      In this context, in 2013, NATO plans to hold a series of military exercises near the Russian borders. The largest of them will be the military exercises on collective defense "Steadfast Jazz 2013", which will be held in November this year. at the tank range "Dravsko" near the city of Szczecin (Poland).
      There you can participate and ours. For example, after the introductory “The Russians launched the Iskander, there’s 3 minutes left to fly.” to inspect how much the number of potential customers of Kanachikova Dacha from the parts participating in the exercises has increased.
  6. UFO
    UFO April 17 2013 08: 12 New
    +8
    Tired of this cliche about the "scared balts and pscheks." Why not attribute an attack on Berlin to us? They have not forgotten the road yet. "A ghost wanders through Europe - a ghost of idiots!" hi
  7. domokl
    domokl April 17 2013 08: 14 New
    14
    The West is preparing its citizens for the exercises, and the media are giving them an ideological justification ... An interesting fact is that everything they know about the Russian-Belarusian exercises is nothing but assumptions .. And the NATO exercises are facts.
    It seems that you really need to work out the reflection of the attack and the subsequent operation to seize Poland and the Baltic countries and enter Germany ... I’m tired of always being guilty without guilt. It’s time to come up with some kind of guilt yourself. It’s not so offensive ...
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 17 2013 11: 46 New
      +9
      I absolutely agree with you. But what we observe today reminds me personally of phrases from a Russian history textbook of its various periods - the same “aggressive strivings” and “Russian desire to enslave everyone”, the same “colossus with feet of clay”, and the teachings and plans specifically for the seizure of Russian lands. That is, we are observing simply a standard brainwashing of our own population, in the context of the general preparation for a real invasion of Russia, which anyway will someday take place.
      And to the Poles and the Balts, I can only say one thing - if you want to be not afraid of Russia, do not take the side of its enemies. For Russia has always fought only exclusively against enemies and their sixes. Then you will sleep peacefully.
  8. SCS
    SCS April 17 2013 08: 16 New
    +2
    - "low morale, underdeveloped comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps that can no longer act flexibly - all this, according to NATO analysts"
    ---
    That's where the analysts sucked it fool ?))) maybe this is the most important thing for NATO officers to "act flexibly" ... lol
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT April 17 2013 08: 58 New
      +3
      maybe this is the most important thing for NATO block officers to “act flexibly”.

      Flexibility is very important to NATO. Flexibility is very necessary in order to stand in an uncomfortable position with his pants down in front of each other wassat
  9. radio operator
    radio operator April 17 2013 08: 18 New
    +7
    statements by the former Deputy Minister of National Defense of Poland, Romuald Sheremetev, who in mid-January said that Belarus and Russia were preparing to attack Poland.

    This is how they express their desire to enter the CIS?)))
    the legend of maneuvers, in addition to the invasion of the Allied ground forces on the territory of the Baltic countries, also provided for a preventive nuclear strike on Warsaw.

    The hunt was to spend plutonium on the Poles. Russia and Germany decide that they should border each other, and Poland again is not wassat
    Outdated equipment, low morale, insufficiently developed comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps, which can no longer act flexibly, all this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to speak of the Russian army as a “colossus on clay feet.”

    Then their concern is not at all clear. Sit exactly on the pope and fart watching the series.
    1. botur
      botur April 17 2013 15: 54 New
      0
      Quote: radio operator
      Sit exactly on the pope and fart watching the series.

      But no, the priest is looking for adventure.
    2. botur
      botur April 17 2013 15: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: radio operator
      Sit exactly on the pope and fart watching the series.

      But no, the priest is looking for adventure.
  10. magadanets
    magadanets April 17 2013 08: 20 New
    +5
    Urgently they need to go to comrade Eun. To study the ideas of Juche
  11. Vasily T.
    Vasily T. April 17 2013 08: 27 New
    +6
    And what did they want when they gave the go-ahead to the Yankees for the deployment of missile defense? It would be better to have a holiday because it’s just a teaching.
  12. dddym
    dddym April 17 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    "Colossus with feet of clay."
    A very famous saying. Actually in this way Comrade Hitler said. Hmm ... it's worth considering - 60 years of peaceful period for a large-scale war has passed. And again, Poland, and again to Russia. Anxious, something.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 17 2013 08: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: dddym
      A very famous saying. Actually in this way Comrade Hitler said.

      Well, originally this expression came from ancient times. But the most famous was after the publication of the memoirs of Didro, whom Catherine the Second licked so much, and who spoke so much about Russia after a trip to us.
      1. dddym
        dddym April 17 2013 08: 44 New
        +1
        my post is not about knowledge of history but about the similarity of the situation
  13. fenix57
    fenix57 April 17 2013 08: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: magadanets
    Urgently they need to go to comrade Eun. To study the ideas of Juche

    To the very point! Nothing reminds anyone. They raised fuss because of the teachings, but what about the events on the Korean Peninsula.
    Something is not heard of indignation from Poland and the Baltic countries. “No aggression”, but from Russia, aggression. Where is the logic... hi
  14. Nikolko
    Nikolko April 17 2013 08: 34 New
    +7
    I don’t understand one thing: gentlemen-comrades and NATO, you raised a hell and howled with boiling water over the teachings of the Russian army at the borders of your MEMBERS, if it possesses "old equipment, worthless officers, worthless soldiers, worthless training" and does not pose any threat at all for nato ?!
    In short, if they howl from our teachings, this means only one thing: they are afraid of us and we know we are strong !!!
  15. dddym
    dddym April 17 2013 08: 40 New
    +7
    Not so simple - the army certainly has something. But to say on 100% that she will beat off all the threats is the same. For the land border with Europe is still enormous. By the way, you can draw some analogy with the pre-war years - the Far East is tension, Europe is tension, and again Poland is practically an enemy. Hitler is missing! 1 man and another world war - here it is - there is!
  16. deman73
    deman73 April 17 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    Pshek with the Baltic states, as usual in their repertoire, they are poor, they all offend them Russia, Belarusians help protect money, give us laughing
  17. Humpty
    Humpty April 17 2013 08: 42 New
    11
    "Her army cannot operate in any weather conditions."))
    A remark worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster, just forgot to add something, that all men in Russia drink vodka heavily with bears.
    With regards to the Poles, psychiatry is powerless.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 17 2013 14: 13 New
      +1
      all men in Russia drink vodka with booze.
      And they eat ice cream in winter!
  18. ed65b
    ed65b April 17 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    Outdated equipment, low morale, insufficiently developed comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps, which can no longer act flexibly, all this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to speak of the Russian army as a “colossus on clay feet.”

    Something inspired from 30-40 years. Maybe we’ll check for Poland whose eggs are stronger?
    1. master_rem
      master_rem April 17 2013 09: 08 New
      0
      rich experience .. soldier
  19. pawlo77
    pawlo77 April 17 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    Psheks (Poles) always didn’t really like us. always looked with a sidelong glance, remember that Warsaw was once under Russia. campaign to be afraid of repetition. let them bark and we will do our own thing.
  20. Sashka
    Sashka April 17 2013 09: 15 New
    +5
    Oh, comrades ... It seems to me that the NATO exercises, which are the largest in the last 20 years, will not end in good. Well, they don’t have money. In jo.pe are sitting. And they need to do something. And as you know, in such cases they have already worked out a scenario - military operations against "dictators", terrorists, etc. etc.
    And about the low morality, neighing ... laughing Although they have their own morality, developed over the centuries. For them, the refusal to fight for their homeland if the tsarist conditions for soldiers are not respected is the TOP of DEMOCRACY !!! Those. such things are appreciated, they are considered high moral acts ... And also for them it is AMORAL not to be friends with gays !!! "Fi, Russians, you’re not Neanderthals at all, why are you insulting pedrilok ?! This is immoral, not democratic!" ....
  21. Arrogant
    Arrogant April 17 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    [quote = Vladimir]"Outdated equipment, low morale, underdeveloped comradely relations between soldiers, an aging officer corps that can no longer act flexibly - all this, according to NATO analysts, gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a" colossus with clay feet. " "

    I remember someone Adolf Hitler, along with his generals, also thought so and said such things ...
    1. Sashka
      Sashka April 17 2013 09: 18 New
      +1
      +
      And somewhere they were right. But the Russian Spirit, selflessness and solidarity before danger are UNBEATABLE things !!!
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 17 2013 14: 16 New
      0
      But the same Adolf at the initial stage of the war managed to reach Moscow and the Caucasus with fewer tanks and planes. It is useful to remember this.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 17 2013 17: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Black Colonel
        But the same Adolf at the initial stage of the war managed to reach Moscow and the Caucasus with fewer tanks and planes. It is useful to remember this.

        Before that, he had been training in Western democracies for a couple of years, including the Poles. And one must not forget how this whole adventure for Adolf ended.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 17 2013 19: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          And one must not forget how this whole adventure for Adolf ended.
          The adventure of the point of view of geopolitics, and from a military point of view, the invasion was very thoroughly, carefully weighed in German scrupulously calculated.BUT...What worked well in Europe-in ​​the USSR failed miserably. Inconvenient enemies, we don’t like to give up ....
    3. Zlaya makaka
      Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 17: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Rogue
      I remember someone Adolf Hitler, along with his generals, also thought so and said such things ...


      And it turned out to be not so wrong. They didn’t take Moscow for a small one, and reached it in six months. But the Germans had to push back several years. And it cost us 27 million lives.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 17 2013 18: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Zlaya Makaka
        And it cost us 27 million lives.

        You have mentioned 27 million lives for the umpteenth time, but what is this number and what is it made up of? If you know this, then you should not mention it in this context.
        1. Zlaya makaka
          Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          You have mentioned 27 million lives for the umpteenth time, but what is this number and what is it made up of?


          From Soviet citizens. Basically, civilians, whom she gave for fun and to be torn to pieces by the enemy of the Red Army.
          1. Simon
            Simon April 17 2013 21: 18 New
            0
            My friend! You yourself thought that 27 million people were killed, or maybe you're wrong! recourse
            1. Zlaya makaka
              Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 21: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Simon
              My friend! You yourself thought that 27 million people were killed, or maybe you're wrong!


              It was not me who considered it, but a group of researchers led by G. F. Krivosheev. If you have more accurate data - please, discuss.
  22. pechv
    pechv April 17 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    This is some kind of masochism. To inflict mental anguish on the Russian threat and call on one’s head more and more dangers. The Americans have already imitated the atomic bombing of the North. Korea, now everyone puts ultimatums there and threatens each other, not catching up that everything can end badly. Poland is also being promoted. It remains only to wait for the fake fake bomb to drop over Poland. The Poles will think that this is only a game like that - they will really reset it elsewhere. And the Americans, on the contrary, ...
  23. Arrogant
    Arrogant April 17 2013 09: 27 New
    10
    Quote: Sashka
    +
    And somewhere they were right. But the Russian Spirit, selflessness and solidarity before danger are UNBEATABLE things !!!


    Something like this
    1. Sashka
      Sashka April 17 2013 09: 42 New
      +2
      EXACTLY!!!! drinks
    2. Zlaya makaka
      Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 17: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Rogue
      Something like this


      Here are just a soldier on the left will return relatively healthy and with the money to make it easier to start a peaceful life. At the same time, he will go in armor, with weapons, ammunition, communications and air support. And the second, if he does not die by a miracle, he will come home in worn camouflage and with a couple of rubles in his pocket.

      And then, isn’t it enough to complete the tasks at all costs? We have less and less young guys every year.

      And in general, I do not understand HOW can you boast of a disregard for your own soldiers ?!
      1. Simon
        Simon April 17 2013 21: 22 New
        0
        You, the "patriot" youth are dying more from drunkenness and drugs than in the army. Need to know. fool
  24. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 17 2013 09: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    As for the preemptive nuclear strike on Poland, I was also pleased, what kind of senility should it be?

    Well, that’s easy. Why do people watch horror films and children tell each other night horror stories?
  25. Canep
    Canep April 17 2013 09: 50 New
    +2
    At present, according to estimates of foreign military experts, in the western direction, the NATO combined forces group is superior to the Russian armed forces group by 9 times, planes by 5 times, and (perhaps most importantly) has absolute superiority long-range cruise missiles of various bases and in general high-precision weapons.

    Apart from panic fear or preparation for an invasion, such “parity” cannot be explained. Gone are the days when the whole trap of Europe was horrified by the power of the GSVG.
    1. Zax
      Zax April 17 2013 10: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: Canep
      the whole trap of Europe was horrified by the power of the GHA

      They made fun. GSVG were nothing more than a hostage. In the event of a major war - they would be the first to be dared to all the fucking random TNW.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 17 2013 11: 32 New
        +2
        In the event of a nuclear strike on the 1st and 2nd shock tank armies, about half of the forces and means would remain in service. That would be more than enough for a full-fledged offensive operation. Most of the tanks are now in storage in Kazakhstan. So the men who were at the storage bases said: - "Tanks stand from me to the horizon"
  26. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 17 2013 10: 18 New
    +3
    Hitler also spoke of Russia as a “colossus with feet of clay” as the main NATO member. Teachings are conducted on its territory, and not thousands of kilometers away. The Baltic states and Poles will find no reason to hysteria - their Russophobic policies are supported by European officials and the States - this is the main thing for contemporary politicians in these countries.
  27. krez-74
    krez-74 April 17 2013 10: 29 New
    +2
    Whether the West wants it or not, Russia has been and will be a strong power! They were shaking from this and will shake until they understand that Russia is the heart of Eurasia, and progress in Europe will be real only if they unite around Russia! All politicians and geopoliticians have recognized this, and those who want to weaken Russia, those who want to ruin it, act to prevent this consolidation! In the meantime, hysteria will not subside.
  28. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 17 2013 10: 30 New
    +3
    Seeing these LGBT people from NATO was completely brainwashing each other through a farting vein. We forgot the wimps that even nature always helped Russia survive in major wars. It's only in Rambo's Hollywood films or something like that fighting in the woods and well, in the taiga of these warriors without a GPS navigator and a satellite phone, without your favorite hamburgers and sosasolas, without condoms, how will they blow each other's black eye?
    Silent would have been LGBT warriors. soldier
    1. Zax
      Zax April 17 2013 10: 32 New
      -3
      You have kvass patriotism in the terminal stage.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 17 2013 10: 48 New
        +1
        He understood what he said?
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 17 2013 10: 54 New
        +1
        And here LGBTshnik appeared on the site, rushed to minus, oh yes France is a country of same-sex marriage laughing
      3. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 17 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        Zah ..... th there a few times you can put pressure on the minus tongue
        You better try to discuss the topic, express an opinion rather than sculpt a hunchback wink
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 17 2013 14: 23 New
      0
      Yes, our mosquitoes with mosquitoes and the vile will eat them alive.
  29. wax
    wax April 17 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    Poland, Baltic countries - NATO customers ask for supplements.
  30. kot9ra
    kot9ra April 17 2013 10: 52 New
    +1
    Forest of all, no, then poplar present, it will be calmer.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 17 2013 12: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: kot9ra
      No, then give the poplar a calmer will be.

      Deliver it on its own? fellow
  31. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 17 2013 10: 57 New
    +4
    Nonsense. Enough of the Russian spirit! The statement about a low level of morality from the most immoral country in the world just sounds ridiculous)). Friendly relations in the NATO army, yours ... they don’t even go to visit their cakes, they pay for it in restaurants, they give money to neighbors and comrades at interest, give each other wherever possible)). We have poor equipment, but to bring down a couple of satellites from them and all NATO equipment will become useless, as well as their "cool warriors". They have no chance against our army.
  32. dc120mm
    dc120mm April 17 2013 11: 09 New
    +5
    This is an exact hysteria. Europe is a specialist in hysteria.
  33. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 17 2013 11: 28 New
    +1
    We don’t give a damn about their tantrums .. The main thing is that the “Iskanders” would stand where they should be and the “poplars” would be aimed in that direction, right down to the Atlantic ... And let them hysteria ....
  34. elmi
    elmi April 17 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    Here is an interesting approach with them - how they conduct NATO exercises means we should not have concerns, but how we have exercises so immediately they have concerns, etc.
    1. Warchief
      Warchief April 17 2013 12: 08 New
      +3
      Double standarts. What NATO can do is not for Cheburashka.
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    Her army cannot operate in all weather conditions ....
    a low level of morality, underdeveloped comradely relations between soldiers ...

    I'm wondering how it was found out
  36. engineer74
    engineer74 April 17 2013 12: 24 New
    +8
    It is necessary to repeat the Shield-82 exercises (“7-hour nuclear war”) so that the Young-Nato’s people woke up with a sense of reality, to give them the feeling that our “ear on clay feet” would stand in their East European radioactive desert. Expensive, of course, but shut up for 15 years. hi
  37. mojohed
    mojohed April 17 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    Looking at your Baltic dwarf armies without tanks and serious weapons, of course, you’ll be worried here.
  38. SEM
    SEM April 17 2013 12: 45 New
    +3
    Polish screamers never lacked the most important thing - this was intelligence and wisdom, and where it comes from if the USA always thinks for them, no offense to simple laborers, but nothing is visible except yapping when the wind blows from west to east. Let anyone remember the story who and how many times he went to war. And for what we their land we would have to understand with our own. In a word it is disgusting ......
  39. sproket2008
    sproket2008 April 17 2013 12: 56 New
    +4
    These NATO analysts now resemble Hitler's henchmen, who created the same propaganda about Russia before the start of the Second World War. Is history coming back? Only now it’s not Hitler Germany, but NATO led by an eagle.
  40. Vtel
    Vtel April 17 2013 13: 18 New
    +2
    The Psheks again voiced, then we didn’t accept their Kaczynski (we must fly sober or even be able to fly), then we can’t wander around our borders. I also have 4 dogs and a tankman.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 17 2013 19: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Vtel
      I also have 4 dogs and a tankman.
      In Poland, the film is called: Three Poles, gr ..in and a dog. lol
  41. nod739
    nod739 April 17 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Yes, they’ll bring down a couple of satellites and all NATO equipment will become useless,


    to the very point
  42. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 17 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    Moreover, they stated that they would transfer their interest to the Pacific region, closer to China, so why then all climb into Europe?

    Hitler also said that deploying troops in Poland was a distracting maneuver before landing in England. Do you really believe them?
  43. kush62
    kush62 April 17 2013 14: 36 New
    +1
    I think. that hysteria is purely political and economic. The more they whine, the more dough they will beg from amers.
  44. nfyrbcn1971
    nfyrbcn1971 April 17 2013 15: 34 New
    +2
    Psheki and sprats once again lick the anus of the Big Star-Striped Pope
  45. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 17 2013 15: 54 New
    +1
    gives reason to talk about the Russian army as a "colossus with feet of clay."
    so many believed and where are they all ???
    1. Zlaya makaka
      Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 16: 37 New
      -4
      Quote: Navy7981
      so many believed and where are they all ???


      In Europe and the USA, and they live better than many Russians. And by the way, the expression is not far from the truth. The colossus of the Red Army first fell apart in Finland during the Winter War. Then, in the 41st year, almost nothing remained of him and I had to, in fact, create an army almost from scratch - new states, tactics, training system. But soon after the war ended, the army again turned into a colossus on clay feet and lost almost all conflicts: Afghanistan, Chechnya, in 2008, Saakashvili could not be picked up in Georgia.
      1. datur
        datur April 17 2013 17: 02 New
        0
        ha ha - but we won these passengers !!!! wink and ALL !!!! yes
        1. Zlaya makaka
          Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 17: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: datur
          ha ha - but we won these passengers !!!! wink and ALL !!!! yes


          All? Sure? And then, after all, the Soviet army was also called by a number of American military men (for example, Colonel David M. Glanz). And here's the thing: the USA and the US army I see at the moment in the world, but the USSR and the SA are somehow not observed.
          1. vilenich
            vilenich April 17 2013 17: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Zlaya Makaka
            The United States and the United States Army, I see at the moment in the world, but the USSR and the SA somehow not observed.

            Nothing is eternal under the Moon! The time will come for the US Army and for the United States.
            And you can slander the USSR and the SA as much as you like. Her fame from this will not diminish, and the army of the Russian Federation, as the assignee of the USSR, I think, too.
            1. Zlaya makaka
              Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 18: 18 New
              0
              Quote: vilenich
              Nothing is eternal under the Moon! The time will come for the US Army and for the United States.


              That's just not Russia will be the reason. Silenok is not enough.

              Quote: vilenich
              And you can slander the USSR and the SA as much as you like. Her fame from this will not diminish, and the army of the Russian Federation, as the assignee of the USSR, I think, too.


              Well let's look at this glory:
              1939. Winter war - lost to tiny Finland.
              1941. The Great Patriotic War - the enemy reached the capital in six months, and was shoved back three years while laying in the ground 27 million of its fellow citizens.
              1969. Damansky - the result of the conflict - the USSR no longer has Damansky. Plus, the Chinese acquired the latest and most secret, at that time, the T-62. Still standing in the Beijing Museum.
              1979. Afghanistan - failed to defeat the Taliban.
              1996. Chechnya - the same as in Afghanistan, but allowed the Chechens to expel or slaughter almost all non-Chechens. The assault on Grozny - no comment.
              2008. Georgia - Saakashvili could not be picked up.

              Foreign tours:
              1936. Spain - in the end, the Nazis settled there.
              1948. Arab-Israeli conflicts - Israel won them all.
              1950. Korea - a draw thanks to the intervention of China.
              1967. Vietnam - again, Chinese volunteers save. Soviet air defense on the S-75 could not stop Linebacker II.
              1988. Angola - a pack of Soviet military advisers with their wives was laid in the ground. Well done.

              And we can take it earlier. What is more like: the first world overgrown in a revolution or the Russian-Japanese with Tsushima?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 18: 38 New
                +2
                did you even study? !!
                the rarest nonsense, at what on all counts
                1. Zlaya makaka
                  Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 18: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  the rarest nonsense, at what on all counts


                  And where is the nonsense? Specifically?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 19: 37 New
                    0
                    what does Spain and the Red Army, Arab Israeli conflicts have to do with it, I see no reason to describe all your writings.
                  2. Simon
                    Simon April 17 2013 21: 33 New
                    0
                    And nonsense is in your head! yes
              2. vilenich
                vilenich April 17 2013 18: 45 New
                +5
                Some of your examples are strange, the premises seem to be correct, and the conclusions are absolutely opposite to the real ones, the falsification is clearly evident!
                The war in Finland has achieved its goals, with what joy it is that you write about a lost war!
                WWII - the result is a victory!
                Damansky was lost not as a result of the conflict, but as a result of political games, and the loss of the T-62, of course, is an unpleasant fact, but not a global catastrophe, what is there to drag it into!
                Afghanistan - there was no victory, but there was no defeat.
                Chechnya is the result, the restoration of constitutional order.
                Georgia, unless the task was to capture Georgia, they repelled their attack and, in general, a successful operation.
                I will not comment further, I'm sick of what you call white black!
                1. Zlaya makaka
                  Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 19: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: vilenich
                  The war in Finland has achieved its goals, with what joy it is that you write about a lost war!


                  With the fact that the result of the war pushed Hitler to attack the USSR. Moreover, the Finns did not fulfill their obligations under the railway. About the losses. So if there is a victory, then a pyrrhic one. But it doesn’t seem at all: the consequences were extremely grave.

                  Quote: vilenich
                  WWII - the result is a victory!


                  Only as a result of such warfare did the USSR explode and wag. Pyrrhic victory.

                  Quote: vilenich
                  Damansky was lost not as a result of the conflict, but as a result of political games, and the loss of the T-62, of course, is an unpleasant fact, but not a global catastrophe, what is there to drag it into!


                  No, the loss of the latest tank in a local conflict is a disaster, given the fact that the Chinese then pulled it out and adjusted the issue as Type 69. And how could you not give up the island if the conflict showed that the SA does not guarantee victory.

                  Quote: vilenich
                  Afghanistan - there was no victory, but there was no defeat.


                  But did you forget how in the 89th the Soviet commanders asked Ahmad Shah Masoud to SEND the Soviet troops from the territory of Afghanistan? Somehow this does not look like the behavior of the winning side ...

                  Quote: vilenich
                  Chechnya is the result, the restoration of constitutional order.


                  Is it in the 90s? When did Chechen bandits abduct people all over Russia and attack villages in the Stavropol Territory? Or is the war in Chechnya and adjacent republics not going on now? But then again in Ingushetia, the shooting goes again ... Yes, and in Chechnya recently noted.

                  Quote: vilenich
                  Georgia, unless the task was to capture Georgia, they repelled their attack and, in general, a successful operation.


                  But why then launched an attack on Tbilisi, if you did not intend to?

                  Quote: vilenich
                  I will not comment on Alche, I'm sick of what you call white black!


                  I call a spade a spade.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir April 17 2013 21: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Zlaya Makaka
                    With the fact that the result of the war pushed Hitler to attack the USSR

                    + can you link to documents confirming this?
                    Quote: Zlaya Makaka
                    only as a result of such warfare the USSR overcame and wonders. Pyrrhic victory.

                    where did you get this, with the same success, you can blame Kutuzov for the revolution of 17
                    1. Zlaya makaka
                      Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 21: 23 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      + can you link to documents confirming this?


                      And you remember that it was after this that Hitler said the famous phrase about the colossus with feet of clay. Or read the Blucher memorandum (German envoy to Helsinki) at the German Foreign Ministry. There were the following assessments: despite the superiority in manpower and equipment, the Red Army suffered one defeat after another, left thousands of people in captivity, lost hundreds of guns, tanks, aircraft and to a decisive extent was unable to conquer the territory. In this regard, one should reconsider the German ideas about Bolshevik Russia. The Germans proceeded from false assumptions when they believed that Russia was a first-class military factor. But in reality, the Red Army has so many flaws that it cannot even cope with a small country. Russia in reality does not pose a danger to such a great power as Germany, the rear in the East is safe, and therefore it will be possible to speak with the gentlemen in the Kremlin in a completely different language than it was in August - September 1939.

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      where did you get this, with the same success, you can blame Kutuzov for the revolution of 17


                      In part, yes. Like any major war that led to the occupation of a significant part of the country, the current regime is undermining, the war of 1812 contributed. And Kutuzov, as one of the representatives of the military leadership of the country, bears his part of the blame for this.
          2. Simon
            Simon April 17 2013 21: 30 New
            0
            Wipe your eyes! You will see right away. crying
            1. Zlaya makaka
              Zlaya makaka April 17 2013 22: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Simon
              Wipe your eyes! You will see right away.


              Everything is in order with my eyes, but is not observed on the world map of the USSR. Like the Soviet army.
  46. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO April 17 2013 17: 32 New
    +2
    The discussion in the Western media began with statements by the former deputy minister of national defense of Poland, Romuald Sheremetyev, who in mid-January declared that Belarus and Russia were preparing for an attack on Poland. According to the ex-official, the next joint military exercises "West-2013" testify to the presence of Minsk and Moscow's intentions to work out the plan of attack on Warsaw.

    Some kind of sick Roma Sheremetev, spring exacerbation probably.
    politicians of Latvia, Lithuania and Poland express concern about the unreasonably high military activity of Russia in the Baltic region

    It is necessary to carry out exercises, it is imperative that Poland and the Baltic states do not even have the thought of repeating the mistake of the Georgian army in 080808 in relation to Belarus, and even less so to Russia.
  47. darksoul
    darksoul April 17 2013 17: 51 New
    0
    They are afraid they mean respect .... It is necessary as a final note to drive a couple of Tu-160 and Tu-95 near the borders with them, the teachings, so to speak. Here diapers will not help either laughing
  48. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 17 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    It from what hangover such glitches seem? Poland and the Baltic states were completely numb in their anal alliance! In general, let the Russia-NATO summit be held in Smolensk. So that all the top leadership of the blue armies of Geyropa flew there. Russia has the equal to conduct exercises, and let these piss boiling water, since they so desire.
  49. knn54
    knn54 April 17 2013 18: 49 New
    +1
    I think that the master will appreciate the zeal of the slaves and give ... $ for vodka.
  50. flint1309
    flint1309 April 17 2013 18: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: VadimSt
    Actors and potential customers
    Ours, it is also necessary to declare that the GRU special forces will be fulfilling the tasks of penetrating the conditional enemy territory and conducting reconnaissance and sabotage measures! There will be a howl!

    Right! And also the iskanders move from place to place !!! laughing